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The Critically Zionist Podcast

The Critically Zionist Podcast

By Shuki Hartuv and Noam Zuckerman

The Critically Zionist Podcast - a podcast for critical Zionists who see Zionism as critical.
Join us for a candid discussion on the issues facing modern Zionism and Israel all while enjoying one of our favourite Israeli beers.
Shuki Hartuv is a tour guide at Hartuv Tours, married to Abi and Abba to Maayan, living in Tel Aviv. Noam Zuckerman is a die-hard Zionist and commissioner of Israel's first 16 inch softball league, married to Liraz and Abba to Geffen, living in Kiryat Yovel, Jerusalem. They made aliyah together in 2011, lived on a Kibbutz, served in the army, and are still friends

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SaadStories with Adam Rovner - Bad citizen of Nativ, great friend of Saad

The Critically Zionist PodcastJan 15, 2024

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SaadStories with Adam Rovner - Bad citizen of Nativ, great friend of Saad

SaadStories with Adam Rovner - Bad citizen of Nativ, great friend of Saad

This week we are sharing a conversation with Adam (Ha Rishon) Rovner who was introduced to Saad when he was on Nativ back in 1988.

We finished the conversation with a message from Adam to the the Kibbutz Saad community:

"To the people that I am in touch with - the Shlomi family in its generations and to Arale and Ronit and their kids -they know me I know them, I don't need to send them a message but I do want to convey to those people on Saad who I don't know or don't know who I am...

This is a beautiful and special place and it pains me to know that people are displaced right now and I can't wait for a time in which Saad can be repopulated and play host to people like myself who don't really have a direction. And give them the sort of push, values modeling that allows people to do something more in their life


That's all I'd say."


Thanks Adam Ha Rishon! Looking forward to seeing you and others in Israel and on Saad soon




Jan 15, 202435:38
SaadStories with Lior Shachar - Saad's Higher Values

SaadStories with Lior Shachar - Saad's Higher Values

Hey Everyone,
This week we are sharing a conversation with Lior Shachar from Garin Tzabar 2011 who started a Phd in Microbiology at the University of Vienna in September.
Listen in as he talks about starting a new stage of his life with such uncertainty in Israel, reflecting on the place Saad played in his relationship with Israel. We recall the special relationship with his Kibbutz family and Garin on Saad, and the example that the ideal that they set for him and others in life.
At the end of the episode, we even had a chance to catch up with his Kibbutz dad Chaim to follow-up on an agricultural collaboration with Lior and hear about life since October 7.
We are starting to experiment with offering in-person and on-site tours and building relationships with the community which can be in-person or virtual to help connect.
Please feel free to reach out if you would like to set something up with your family, friends or community and send people who are interested our way!

But if you don’t have time we’ve broken down the episode below.
Best,
Shuki and Noam

Part 1 - Starting a Phd in Vienna with October 7 in the background
Part 2 - Joining the army on Garin Tzabar Saad - Thanks Elie Solimani!
Part 3 - Getting into Biology
Part 4 - Sa’ad’s higher values - a lesson for humanity
Part 5 - Thoughts on sharing Sa’ad’s story
PS… Catching up with Chaim at the potato field

Israel is not worth supporting because the Palestinians are wrong. Israel is right because there are communities like Sa'ad, who even October 7, are taking care of their community, helping others, growing their crops, and making Israel and the world a better place. That's the reason for supporting Israel, because of communities that act to make the world a little bit of a better place.

Jan 09, 202453:18
SaadStories with Hilary Yom-Tov: Aliyah, Music, and Or's Wedding

SaadStories with Hilary Yom-Tov: Aliyah, Music, and Or's Wedding


**The opinions and ideas expressed in this newsletter and podcast episode reflect only the personal opinions of those speaking and not any official opinion from Kibbutz Saad, or anyone else**


It’s been a while since we did a Critically Zionist episode and we wanted to share a project that we are working on.

Join us in this conversation where we begin to delve into the vibrant life and enduring spirit of Kibbutz Sa'ad. We want to explore the community's resilience through the eyes of its members, their connections, and the music that binds them together. Discover how the community of Sa'ad, once a warm and welcoming hub, is navigating the challenges of displacement. 

Today, Hilary Yom-Tov shares her personal odyssey from Aliyah to finding love and building a life in Sa'ad with the challenges as a new Oleh integrating on Kibbutz to preparing for her son Or’s wedding this week while living at a hotel in the Dead Sea.

  • She opens up about the hurdles of being an outsider and how her involvement with Nativers and music helped her find her place in the community. The episode takes a serious turn as we discuss the Yom-Tov family’s experience on October 7. Hilary reflects on the strength drawn from community support during these trying times.

  • Tap your feet to the stories of Sa'ad's wedding band and the ensemble that followed. Hilary reminisces about the band's evolution, their community performances, and the personal significance of music in her life as a nurse.

  • Hear about the current reality of Kibbutz life in a hotel. Despite the noise and lack of privacy, Hilary finds solace in puzzles, and working as a nurse for displaced communities, maybe a metaphor for piecing together the fragmented community.

Tune in to hear how the enduring relationships and the power of music play a pivotal role in the community's journey towards healing and rebuilding. This is a story of a kibbutz not just surviving, but thriving against all odds.

We're talking about celebrating Or Yom Tov's wedding!

If anyone wants to give a gift to the Kibbutz in honor of this happy occasion, here is a link for donations that go straight to the kibbutz: ⁠https://www.jgive.com/new/en/ils/donation-targets/110301/charity⁠

If anyone wants to get in touch about finding a way that you can express your support, please reach out!

Wishing for a better 2024

Best,

Shuki and Noam


Episode Breakdown:

  • Introducing SaadStories (00:00-5:10)

  • Hilary's Journey to Sa’ad (05:11-16:35)

  • From hosted to the resilience of hosting (16:36-32:47)

  • Musical Ties - (32:48-38:05) 

  • Life in Transition (38:06-44:05)

  • Getting ready for Or’s Wedding (44:06-52:54)

  • Garin Tzabar on Saad (52:55-65:55)

  • Thoughts on Returning Home (65:56-72:35)

  • Reflecting on the conversation (72:38-end)

**Disclaimer**

This feed will be rough conversations, raw but hopefully it will be meaningful. If you are looking for that perfect version of a podcast then we're going to ask you to wait a little bit while we're trying to put together this story. We are really enjoying having these conversations with people connected to Saad and think it can be really nice to hear. Please feel free to share feedback, thoughts, and let us know what could be done better. 

Come along for the ride and be a part of this community that really wants Saad and the rest of the Western Negev to get back on their feet and rebuild as fast as possible, so they can continue helping others, helping Israel, and making this world a little bit better


Jan 02, 202401:17:55
Kibbutz Saad - Beacons of hope next to despair

Kibbutz Saad - Beacons of hope next to despair

I grew up in Chicago and when I was  21 moved to Israel to live on Kibbutz Saad near Israel’s border with Gaza. After serving in the army, I continued to work on Kibbutz as a farmer 

On Saad, I had the honor to be part of a community living in sight of the border with Gaza, but almost never focusing on hatred or despair. Saad is a bright spot of humanity in an area best known for death and destruction.

It’s a place that taught me about doing what you need to do, what you’re asked to do, what you can do - without looking for recognition or awards.

It’s the place where I improved my day school Hebrew and where I learned Israeli - as a soldier and as a wannabe “kibbutznik” 

At times I lived under attack, but even then, with a sense of security.

Kibbutz Saad is still the place I still consider home in Israel

But, my wife and I decided to raise our family in Jerusalem far from the border with Gaza. 

Kibbutz Saad and other communities like it were a perfect expression of the ability to live under a threat and even in conflict and still work towards positive goals.

Not anymore – and I don’t know what to do. 

These communities were not safe, they were not adequately protected. But, they still protected us

Life near Gaza is FUCKED

I want to recognize and help the communities near Gaza who have experienced an unimaginable horror and kept the rest of Israel safe.


Can we help civillians next to Gaza overcome hatred, despair and destruction and instead pursue prosperity? 

Their humility may prevent them from seeking assistance, but we can reach out proactively.

  • We who live in safety in Israel, thanks to their sacrifice

  • We who support israel from abroad and want to ensure a better future for these communities

  • We who criticize Israel, but want to support a safe, peaceful and prosperous future for all people near Gaza

This is an invitation to think about these questions as well. To invite friends, family and colleagues to join the conversation as well.


Please reach out if you’d like to join me on this journey.

Praying for better days ahead

Love,

Noam

וְשָׁפַט֙ בֵּ֣ין הַגּוֹיִ֔ם וְהוֹכִ֖יחַ לְעַמִּ֣ים רַבִּ֑ים וְכִתְּת֨וּ חַרְבוֹתָ֜ם לְאִתִּ֗ים וַחֲנִיתֽוֹתֵיהֶם֙ לְמַזְמֵר֔וֹת לֹא־יִשָּׂ֨א ג֤וֹי אֶל־גּוֹי֙ חֶ֔רֶב וְלֹֽא־יִלְמְד֥וּ ע֖וֹד מִלְחָמָֽה׃ {פ}

Thus [God] will judge among the nations

And arbitrate for the many peoples,

And they shall beat their swords into plowshares

And their spears into pruning hooks:

Nation shall not take up

Sword against nation;

They shall never again know war.





Oct 29, 202315:15
Kibbutz Saad - My Israel is FUCKED

Kibbutz Saad - My Israel is FUCKED

My Israel story started in 2007 at age 16 when I visited Poland and then Israel for the first time.

On Shabbat, we prayed in a historical Jewish synagogue. Jewish teenagers praying freely in Poland before visiting Israel - sometimes the world feels like its on the right course. The beauty and the good, that I felt at the time convinced me to stop cursing and sent me on a path committed to Zionism and a life in Israel.

I grew up in Chicago and at age 21 moved to Israel to live on a religious kibbutz near the border with Gaza. I served as an infantry soldier stationed near Gaza during Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012. After the army, I worked on Kibbutz as a farmer in the open fields, including during Operation Protective Edge in 2014,when I was called up as a reserve soldier.

At times I lived under attack, but even then, with a sense of security.

But, my wife and I decided to raise our family in Jerusalem far from the border with Gaza.


My Zionist journey has never been easy, but it has always felt worthwhile.

Now, it feels FUCKED and I don’t know what to do.

The only thing I really know is that I want to recognize and help the communities near Gaza who have experienced an unimaginable horror and kept the rest of Israel safe.
Oct 24, 202312:25
Israeli Elections Part 2: Movers and Shakers of 2020

Israeli Elections Part 2: Movers and Shakers of 2020

With the threat to dissolve the current Knesset on the table the Israeli news cycle is filled with articles about when and how the next elections will turn out. This is a two-part episode discussing the Israeli elections.

Part 1- provides an overview of the past 5 Israeli elections, dating back to 2013. It gives perspective on the major players in today's political field, the parties that are most influential, and the themes that have been at the forefront for the Israeli public.

Part 2- We delve into the issues that are facing the Israeli public as we approach another election. We discuss the question of who supports Netanyahu and who's against him, who's really confused, and how can Israel invite Israeli Arabs to be a bigger part of Israel's political life.

Make sure to subscribe to get updates when we release new episodes.

You can also like and follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/thecriticallyzionistpodcast and subscribe on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCskIIR3WcneoU00cJbFQnUA, to see shorter clips of the episodes we post.

Please send us your thoughts, feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes at criticallyzionistpodcast@gmail.com

Useful links and resources:

More Info on Israeli Political field from Israel Policy Forum: https://israelpolicyforum.org/elections2/

Haaretz Podcast on Elections (Hebrew): https://podcasts.apple.com/il/podcast/%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A2-%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%93%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%98-%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A5/id1305812824?i=1000502448887

Why are Israeli Generals such terrible politicians? 972 Magazine https://www.972mag.com/israel-generals-politics-gender/

Paradox: Netanyahu now protected by Israeli Arab legislator, Al Monitor https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/12/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-mansour-abbas-joint-list-budget.html


Episode image: "Israeli elections billboard in Ramat Gan" by GeorgeDement is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 2.0

The inscription reads: This time don't vote for "politicians", who the day after the elections will vote you back (middle finger).

Dec 22, 202034:57
Israeli Elections Part 1: Recap of Last 5 Elections

Israeli Elections Part 1: Recap of Last 5 Elections

With the threat to dissolve the current Knesset on the table the Israeli news cycle is filled with articles about when and how the next elections will turn out. This is a two-part episode discussing the Israeli elections. 

Part 1- provides an overview of the past 5 Israeli elections, dating back to 2013. It gives perspective on the major players in today's political field, the parties that are most influential, and the themes that have been at the forefront for the Israeli public.

Part 2- We delve into the issues that are facing the Israeli public as we approach another election. We discuss the question of who supports Netanyahu and who's against him, who's really confused, and how can Israel invite Israeli Arabs to be a bigger part of Israel's political life.

Make sure to subscribe to get updates when we release new episodes. 

Thanks to Elijah Aaron for the Music! Check out his music at ElijahAaron.com

You can also like and follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/thecriticallyzionistpodcast and subscribe on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCskIIR3WcneoU00cJbFQnUA, to see shorter clips of the episodes we post.

Please send us your thoughts, feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes at criticallyzionistpodcast@gmail.com

Useful links and resources:

More Info on Israeli Political field from Israel Policy Forum: https://israelpolicyforum.org/elections2/

Haaretz Podcast on Elections (Hebrew): https://podcasts.apple.com/il/podcast/%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A2-%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%93%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%98-%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A5/id1305812824?i=1000502448887

Why are Israeli generals such terrible politicians? 972 Magazine https://www.972mag.com/israel-generals-politics-gender/

Paradox: Netanyahu now protected by Israeli Arab legislator, Al Monitor https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/12/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-mansour-abbas-joint-list-budget.html

Episode picture: "שיהיה בהצלחה. Israeli elections. Vote!" by Lidor is licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 2.0

Dec 22, 202044:30
Building a Zionist Curriculum for Seth Rogen

Building a Zionist Curriculum for Seth Rogen

In this episode we discuss Seth Rogen's appearance on Marc Maron’s WTF Podcast on July 27, 2020, to promote his film “American Pickle”.

 They showed that they are super-Jewish: Familiar with tradition, steeped in Jewish upbringing, and full of post-trauma from these experiences. The interview sets Jewish Twitter afire as the Left adopts Rogen as a spokesperson, the Right accuses him of questioning Israel's legitimacy, and many who stay silent acknowledge similar frustration with Israel. 

We ask if Seth Rogen was criticizing Israel or helping the Jewish world improve its Israel education.

  • We analyze the different responses to Rogen's comments in the Jewish World
  • We talk about American Jewry's challenges with Israel and Israel Education in light of Rogen's comments
  • We share a response from StandWithUs Senior Educator, Charlotte Korchak

Make sure to subscribe to get updates when we release new episodes. You can also like and follow us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/thecriticallyzionistpodcast and subscribe on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCskIIR3WcneoU00cJbFQnUA, to see shorter clips of the episodes we post.

Please send us your thoughts, feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes at criticallyzionistpodcast@gmail.com


Useful links and resources:

- Listen to Seth Rogen on WTF with Marc Maron: July 27, 2020: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1143-seth-rogen

- Listen to Seth Rogen's Interview with Allison Kaplan Sommer- Haaretz: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/listen-the-interview-seth-rogen-sets-the-record-straight-1.9051105

- See Jewish Agency Chairman Isaac "Bougie" Herzog's Facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/IsaacHerzog/videos/vb.161648040544835/774315953374071/?type=2&theater

- Read Daniel Gordis Response to Seth Rogen: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/what-if-seth-rogen-wasnt-entirely-wrong/

- Read StandWithUs original response: https://www.standwithus.com/post/response-to-seth-rogen-s-recent-comments

- Read StandWithUs follow-up response: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157701117912689&id=19459912688

- Examples from StandWithUs of Anti-Israel reaction to Seth Rogen:

Dec 08, 202001:09:51
The Abraham Accords: Does Trump deserve a Nobel Peace Prize...or NOT!?

The Abraham Accords: Does Trump deserve a Nobel Peace Prize...or NOT!?

Welcome back to the Critically Zionist Podcast - a podcast for critical Zionists who see Zionism as critical. In each episode we deliver an in depth discussion of an issue facing modern Zionism and Israel while enjoying one of our favorite Israeli beers. And if you have been enjoying talking Zionism over beer with us, invite a friend and a family member to join the conversation. Today, we continue the theme of the Peace Process that we began in last week’s episode when discussing the with legacy of Yitzchak Rabin. We’re going to dive into the current prospects for peace in the region- taking a deep look at US President Trump’s efforts to win himself (and PM Netanyahu) a Nobel Prize and maybe even bring Peace to the Middle East with the Peace to Prosperity and Abraham Accords plans, while enjoying Taybeh Beer's Golden Ale. What are we talking about today? Talking about Trump's efforts for Middle East Peace, placed in the larger framework past efforts for Peace. Part 1: Take a step back and understand how these recent agreements fit in with past efforts at peace between Israelis and Palestinians Part 2: Take a look at Trump’s Peace to Prosperity plan for Israel and Palestine  Part 3: Dive into The Abraham Accords, trying to understand them, for better and for worse, and what the future holds for the post-Trump presidency Stay tuned for our next episode: Building a Zionist Curriculum for Seth Rogen Please continue to send us feedback at criticallyzionistpodcast@gmail.com Follow us on facebook , subscribe to our channel on youtube, and check out Shuki's tour options at hartuvtours.com or follow him @hartuvtours on Instagram and Twitter! Relevant links: Peace to Prosperity: https://www.whitehouse.gov/peacetoprosperity/ The Abraham Accords: https://www.state.gov/the-abraham-accords/ video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VoE_Lg3LfY&t=1376s Plan 922: https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-extends-multi-billion-dollar-plan-for-arab-municipalities/
Nov 29, 202001:19:49
BONUS! Rabin Follow-up & Preparing for Seth Rogen
Nov 19, 202031:57
Remembering Yitzhak Rabin: We Miss You Haver

Remembering Yitzhak Rabin: We Miss You Haver

Episode Description
On Saturday evening, November 4, 1995, 25 years ago: Yitzkah Rabin, the first Israeli Prime Minister born in Israel was assassinated by Yigal Amir, an Israeli law student at Bar Ilan University and a religious, right-wing extremist. It happened at the Kings of Israel Square in Tel Aviv, now named Rabin Square, after a Peace Rally under the slogan "Yes to Peace-No to Violence", with over a hundred thousand supporters in attendance.

The assassination represented the beginning of the end of one of the most hopeful, and also divisive eras in Israeli history- the peace process between the Palestinians and Israelis initiated by The Oslo Accords, a groundbreaking agreement led by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Yassir Arafat, Chairman of the Palestinian Authority with the strong support of US President Bill Clinton.

We try to remember Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin as a person, a soldier, and a statesman, delve into the Oslo Accords and the peace process and reckon with what has happened in Israeli society since the tragedy of Rabin's assassination.

Hope you enjoy! Please like us on Facebook , share the podcast with friends, and send us thoughts and feedback with us at criticallyzionistpodcast@gmail.com.

Find HaGibor's Extra Stout Craft Beer at www.giborbeer.co.il or https://www.facebook.com/Giborbeer/


Links for more content:

Declaration of Principle- Oslo Accords:

PDF: http://www.rabincenter.org.il/Items/01100/signingoftheDeclationofPrinciples.pdf

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8CFL6gHgxI&t=2800s

Last Speech:

PDF: http://www.rabincenter.org.il/Items/01103/RabinAddressatapeacerally.pdf

Video: https://www.facebook.com/AmericansforPeaceNow/videos/672519629822592/?v=672519629822592

Performance of Shir La Shalom:

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDE0pflKcmE

Clinton’s Eulogy:

PDF: http://www.rabincenter.org.il/Items/01104/clinton.pdf

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip-vudR_WwY

Rabin: https://www.haaretz.com/life/rabin-1.5407710

Ynet Project: https://rabin25.ynet.co.il/?externalurl=true

The myth of Rabin the peacemaker: https://www.972mag.com/yitzhak-rabin-oslo-accords-aoc/


Nov 04, 202001:09:10
Introducing: The Critically Zionist Podcast

Introducing: The Critically Zionist Podcast

Israel is inspiring, it's frustrating, it's confusing. It’s not easy to understand our feelings towards the Jewish State. So, have a listen to The Critically Zionist Podcast - a podcast for critical Zionists who see Zionism as critical.

Join us, Shuki and Noam, for a candid conversation on the major issues facing Israel and Zionism today. We made aliyah together in 2011 to Kibbutz Saad, served in the army, worked in the fields and hiked the Israel national trail together, and stayed friends through it all.  We want to share the perspectives we’ve gained throughout our journey to shed light on these issues in an open and honest conversation, over our favorite Israeli beers.

 Shuki is an Israeli tour guide for Hartuv Tours, married to Abi and Abba to Maayan. He grew up in Hamilton, Ontario, he's a die-hard Blue Jays fan, dead head,  beer and whisky fanatic. They live in Tel Aviv.

Noam is a die-hard Zionist, married to Liraz and Abba to Geffen. He grew up in Chicago, has been a Cubs fan since 2nd grade and is currently the commissioner of Israel’s first 16-inch softball league. They live in Jerusalem’s Kiryat Yovel neighborhood


Oct 29, 202001:51