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Casey Plett journal: https://caseyplett.wordpress.com/2022/03/12/i-found-an-old-journal-entry-about-when-i-saw-against-me-when-they-did-their-first-tour-after-laura-jane-transd/

Keegan Bradford (⁠@franziamom⁠) plays in Camp Trash and writes about music online. We talk about Against Me!’s Searching for a Former Clarity, folk-punk being out of fashion, Algernon Cadwallader as a fictional band, hostile fanbases, Florida geography and scene dynamics, the best record ever about arguing on the internet, AM!’s miserable ascent, Laura breaks out the band's financials, Former Clarity is bloated but we struggle to tighten it, Miami, tiny font and Fat Mike, antagonizing the fans, Condoleeeeza, mid-2000s Franz Ferdinand-core, Problems with everything, confessing childhood secrets, the jean-jacket patch version of a Live Laugh Love sign, John K. Samson, Justin's dead, the band sounds exhausted but there is joy in every possibility. 

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This week we go to the movies. I'm joined by Dan Bassini and Andrew Valentine of the Run into the Ground podcast to talk about the 2004 Against Me! tour documentary We're Never Going Home, which sees the band getting courted by major labels and fucking with their fellow touring bands. Plus Asbury Park, depressing East Coast beaches, and iconic venue carpets. It's a fun one. [WATCH VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]

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On this special episode we talk about non-Bright Eyes Conor Oberst projects over the last 25 years. I’m joined by Maddy, Michael, Rina, Greg, Justin and Per (Patreon supporters of this show ☺️) for a sprawling conversation about Oberst's solo records and side projects. There are many!

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Here’s the list of records I mention in the intro:

CONOR OBERST

Water (1993)

Here’s to Special Treatment (1994)

The Soundtrack to my Movie (1996)

Conor Oberst (2008)

... & the Mystic Valley Band: Outer South (2009)

Upside Down Mountain (2014)

Ruminations (2016)

Salutations (2017)

COMMANDER VENUS

Do You Feel at Home? (1995)

The Uneventful Vacation (1997)

NORMAN BAILER

Sine Sierra (1995)

DEAPARACIDOS

Read Music / Speak Spanish (2002)

Payola (2015)

MONSTERS OF FOLK

Monsters of Folk (2009) - Boring / Awash in reverb / Boygenius Rolling Stone

BETTER OBLIVION COMMUNITY CENTER

Better Oblivion Community Center (2019) - Great / Dylan Thomas

Here is the Commander Venus clip mentioned in this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDj9aAyCbDs&list=WL&index=110

Review
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Special thanks to Justin Corwin for helping guide me into this record. Check out his latest Bright Eyes video on THE DEEP DIVE.

Ben Dolnick is the author of four novels including The Ghost Notebooks, You Know Who You Are, and At the Bottom of Everything. He wrote this 2011 Bright Eyes essay in The Awl: https://www.theawl.com/2011/01/taste-has-never-met-shame-i-love-you-conor-oberst/

This episode features an excellent audio essay from Dominic Ronzani about why The People's Key is his favorite Bright Eyes record. It's a great supplement to the Pitchfork 5.0 Pitchfork review.

We talk about Ben's Garden State moment with “Something Vague,” fear of outgrowing Bright Eyes, the idea of taste, the idea of shame, liking what you like, Ben’s piano teacher digs Bright Eyes, Elliott Smith as a Tesla and Bright Eyes as a taped-together golf cart, Ben’s excellent fader-knob theory about Sincerity/Professionalism, science fiction, Rastafarianism, Hitler, Ben blows my mind w/ the first lines of “Shell Games,” the post-Napster-pre-Spotify window of 2011, reptilians, pomegranates, Denny Brewer as a Joe Rogan guest, the non-rhyme fake-out on “Triple Spiral,” “Ladder Song” is a goosebumps tune, and 13-year-old Oberst’s song about Space Invaders. 

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Happy Accident

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Brian Howe is a music, arts and culture critic for Pitchfork and many other outlets. Evan Bailey sings and plays guitar in the band Oh, Lonesome Ana. We talk about the Bright Eyes record Cassadaga, experimental album art, mysticism, fiddles, Brian discovering Fevers & Mirrors, meaning outside of religion, reassessing this record, high fidelity audio, Brian’s 6.0 Pitchfork review, songs about Oberst's life vs. songs about The World, “Santa Claus is Coming to Town,” Cassadaga, FL, songs that feel longer than they are, Oberst’s Inside Llewyn Davis audition, getting clean in Los Angeles, “Countrypolitan," "Classic Cars," seeing the Cassadaga tour live, Kirsten Dunst, Mogis pedal steel.

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In this episode we talk about the fact that I’m Wide Awake it’s Morning occupies every spot in the Top 5 of the Bright Eyes Spotify page. My guest is Ryan Page of Bad Dads and the Beatles vs. Stones podcast. (Full disclosure: I’m a member of both).

The bulk of this episode is spent searching for a band that might fit into our Wide Awake Phenomenon.

The conversation spins out in all directions from there with Ellen DeGeneres and Third Eye Blind serving as the heartbeat that keeps this thing pumping. Also discussed: Taylor Swift, Santana, selling out, the Bandcamp article about Dummy, her placenta falls to the floor, Hootie, Alanis, and Oingo Boingo. 

We find one band that fits the bill and that band is ______.

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Michael Tedder is culture writer who's written for Stereogum, The Ringer, Esquire, Uproxx and many more. We talk about early 2000s Bright Eyes shows in Florida, war, emo-bashing, making a 70s record, flawed voices, Conor writes his big hit, Saddle Creek 50, Michael’s coffee mug, Top-3 Saddest Horn Parts in Indie Rock History, Sufjan Stevens, Michael builds the Bright Eyes MySpace Music page live, "At the Bottom of Everything" to kick things off, Emmylou Harris & Jim James bring the HARMONIES, for Zoomers The Red Hot Chili Peppers and Bright Eyes are about the same, When We Were Young Festival, "Lua" is perfect, “Meeee— eeee—,” how long till Taylor Swift covers “First Day of My Life?,” Michael’s new book (Top Eight, How MySpace Changed Music) comes out in Aug 2023 and can be preordered now.

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Rob Harvilla is the host of 60 Songs that Explain the 90s—a popular podcast that I love. Today we talk about the 2005 Bright Eyes song “When the President Talks to God.” Also: Conor writing this song on a ferry, playing it on Jay Leno in cowboy swag, the pain of reading your old writing, REM, The Boss, 9/11, living in bubbles, Iraq, America coming together and then blowing apart, The Chicks, NOFX, Road to Joy, Meet Me in the Bathroom, and would Bright Eyes make the cut on a hypothetical 60 Songs that Explain the Aughts? 

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Todd Fink is the lead singer of The Faint, a vital and important band that grew up alongside Bright Eyes in those early Saddle Creek years in Omaha. We talk about touring with Bright Eyes on the Digital Ash tour, life in Joshua Tree, the Desert Oracle, creative Saddle Creek bands, going electronic, masterful Mogis production, keeping imperfections, me having Covid, Todd’s parents didn’t love young-kid squealing Conor but Todd saw his talent, the Fevers & Mirrors radio interview and Pitchfork review, Conor's and Bright Eyes' writing and recording process, what’s next for The Faint, Recapitate Headwear, and Tim Kasher’s early encouragement. 

At 53:00, I’m joined by a few of the After the Deluge Patreon supporters to talk about this record and some select tracks. The voices you’ll hear are Reed, Per, Jon, Lyzi and myself. We dig into specific Digital Ash tracks, moments, and lyrics. 

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Emily Kitchin is a social media manager, ex music journalist, and self-described Conor Oberst superfan. We talk about a blog post she wrote called, “If Their Favorite Bright Eyes Song is ___ Then ___.” Plus songs without choruses, holding space for normies, loving I’m Wide Awake It’s Morning, Kevin Devine, Rocky Votolato, “cool” music, etc. Read Emily’s blog post here: https://www.collectinginterest.com/bright-eyes

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A SAMPLING: 

• “Landlocked Blues” — HAS DADDY ISSUES AND SOME SERIOUS EMOTIONAL TRAUMA FROM PAST RELATIONSHIPS.
• “Bowl Of Oranges” — REALLY INTO SPREADING POSITIVITY. VEGAN. THEY BOTTLE THEIR EMOTIONS. FOLLOWS CUTE ANIMAL ACCOUNTS.
• “Let’s Not Shit Ourselves” — DOWN TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO LIKES TO HANG OUT WITH THEIR MOM. MARRY THEM.
• “Take It Easy (Love Nothing)” — ACTIVE TINDER USER. KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT IN LIFE. LOVES TIM KASHER.
• “Loose Leaves” — HMU, WE ARE SOULMATES
• “Shell Games” — MATURE FOR THEIR AGE. STEERING WHEEL DRUMMER. STEREOTYPICAL INDIE BRO BUT AN OVERALL GOOD PERSON.
• “Nothing Gets Crossed Out” — DEPRESSED AS ALL HELL. THEY REWARD THEMSELVES WITH LITTLE VICTORIES. EATS A LOT OF BREAD AND WISHES THEY COULD FALL ASLEEP AT NIGHT.

This week we talk Lifted, this podcast's favorite Bright Eyes album. My guest is Claire Carusillo, a Features Writer at Gawker. Part 2: patreon.com/afterthedeluge

In this episode we talk about beastly records from 2002, a couple of wars, circus percussion, Michael keeping the tape rolling and Tim’s album, a Pitchfork 7.7, Johnny Cash covering NIN, songwriting prodigies, Rilo Kiley, happy songs, burned CDs, Claire’s yellow legal pad, Conor being funny, the mistake, bad boy Conor, happy Conor, Jack Johnson catches a stray bullet, my Ben Harper cover, beautiful harmonies that shadow the melody. 

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Ian Cohen (Pitchfork/Indiecast) and I talk about Fevers and Mirrors, a pivotal moment for Bright Eyes and Saddle Creek. Check out Ian's excellent Pitchfork review of the vinyl reissue in 2012. 

Also discussed: Dashboard Confessional, Emo (again), long intro tracks to chase off the squares, early Pitchfork, Rolling Stone reviews for old rockers, bands swinging BIG, our embarrassing teenage journals, Steven Hyden’s album rankings, is Cassadaga overrated or underrated?, eBaum’s World, No Woman No Cry, THAT FAKE RADIO INTERVIEW, Todd Fink’s improv skills, and A Song to Pass the Time as the album's epilogue. 

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Our guest is Jackson Browne (!) and we talk about his new record, Downhill From Everywhere. We start with his new album and then we foray all over his life and career from there. Follow me on Twitter at @routinelayup. Email me at justincox22@gmail.com. 

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Follow Anthony at @adecurtis and follow Angie at @angiemartoccio on Twitter. You can find me at @routinelayup or email me at justincox22@gmail.com.

I share a short, sentimental montage at the 1:20 mark and then introduce the album and the 2014 Rolling Stone review, which was written by our first guest. Our conversation starts around the 8-minute mark. My conversation with Angie begins around the 51-minute mark.

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The artists mentioned or played in the section with Angie are:

• Phoebe Bridgers
• Tal Wilkenfeld
• Dawes
• Blake Mills

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In episode 11, I talk about the Jackson Browne albums The Naked Ride Home and Time the Conqueror with Rolling Stone writer and editor Jonathan Bernstein. Follow him on Twitter at @jonbern and follow myself and this show at @routinelayup. You can email me at justincox22@gmail.com. 

After a brief intro and a look at the original 2002 review by James Hunter, our conversation starts around the 3 minute mark. I jump in midway through to look at the 2008 Time the Conqueror review, also by James Hunter, before jumping right back into our conversation. 

The Phoebe Bridgers/Jackson Browne song you hear early on is a cover of Christmas Song by McCarthy Trenching: http://www.mccarthytrenching.com/

You can read Jonathan’s Blake Mills story in which he quotes Jackson Browne: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/blake-mills-interview-mutable-set-1008984/

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NOTE: Our conversation took place just days after George Floyd was murdered. Consider making a donation to The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which lets you choose where your donation will go, from voting rights to police reform to education. Just visit their site (naacpldf.org), click Donate, and note your preference before you check out.

In episode 10, I talk about the Jackson Browne albums I’m Alive and Looking East with David Wild, a former Rolling Stone West Coast Bureau Chief, author of several books and longtime TV writer, including nearly 20 years with the Grammys. Follow him on Twitter at @wildaboutmusic and follow this show at @routinelayup.

After a brief intro and a look at the original 1993 Rolling Stone Review by Kara Manning, our conversation starts around the 5 minute mark. We take a snappy break at the 37 minute mark to look at the 1998 Looking East Rolling Stone review by Elysa Gardner before jumping right back into our conversation.

You can email me at justincox22@gmail.com. Rate and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, thanks!

NOTE: Our conversation took place before George Floyd was murdered. For that reason, you won’t hear it mentioned in this conversation. Consider making a donation to The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which lets you choose where your donation will go, from voting rights to police reform to education. Just visit their site (naacpldf.org), click Donate, and note your preference before you check out.

In episode nine I talk about the Jackson Browne albums Lives in the Balance and World in Motion with Holly Gleason, whom you might remember from the Running on Empty episode. Holly is the author of Woman, Walk the Line: How the Women in Country Music Changed our Lives. She’s written for dozens of publications including Rolling Stone, American Songwriter, LA Times and more. She cowrote the #1 song "Better as a Memory." Find more on Holly at hollygleason.com.

After a brief intro and a look at the original 1986 Rolling Stone review by Jimmy Guterman, our conversation starts around the 3 minute mark. We take a snappy break at the 30 minute mark to look at the 1989 Rolling Stone review by David Fricke before jumping right back into our conversation.

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This talk took place the day after George Floyd was killed, but before most of us (myself included) had seen the horrific video, let alone processed its significance. For that reason, you won’t hear it mentioned in this conversation. In this episode we talk a whole lot about the power of speaking up against injustice, and if you want to find parallels to present day, they await you in this conversation about Jackson Browne's two most overtly political albums. 

I discussed Floyd's death at the top of last week’s Lawyers in Love episode and I regret not sharing a place where people can donate. The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund lets you choose where your donation will go, from voting rights to police reform to education. Just visit their site (naacpldf.org), click Donate, and note your preference before you check out. 

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In episode eight I talk about the Jackson Browne album Lawyers in Love and "Somebody’s Baby" with Tom Hampton—a multi-instrumentalist, sideman, session musician and singer/songwriter. Tom is a guitarist and vocalist in the country-rock band Poco and has toured with the Marshall Tucker Band. More about Tom at tomhampton.com.

After a brief intro (about the week's events) and a look at the original 1983 Rolling Stone review by Chris Connelly, our conversation starts around the 7:00 mark. We move on to "Somebody's Baby" at the 43:45 mark. 

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In episode six I talk about  the Jackson Browne album Hold Out with journalist, editor and longtime music critic Kit Rachlis, who wrote the original (largely critical) 1980 Rolling Stone review for the album. Kit is Senior Editor at California Sunday Magazine and our conversation starts around the 5:00 mark. You’ll also hear from Pat Francis, who hosts the Rock Solid Podcast, describes why Hold Out is special to him. That break comes at the 21:30 mark and then I jump back in with Kit. 

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In episode five I talk about the Jackson Browne album Running on Empty with music critic, author and songwriter Holly Gleason. After a brief intro and a look at the original 1977 Rolling Stone review by Paul Nelson, our conversation starts around the 5:00 mark. 

Holly Gleason is the author of Woman, Walk the Line: How the Women in Country Music Changed our Lives. She’s written for dozens of publications including Rolling Stone, American Songwriter, LA Times and more. She cowrote the #1 song "Better as a Memory."

Paul Ingles, who is mentioned in this podcast, is the creator of The Emergence Of, a series that looks at the early careers of impactful musicians. 

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• Try this bracket of Jackson Browne songs if you want a difficult challenge
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I posted this one a day early because I took a few days off work and am going to unplug right... now. Enjoy! 

In episode four I talk about the Jackson Browne album The Pretender with musicians Kyle Cox and Dana Cox, who are also my cousin and my dad respectively. The Pretender is Kyle’s favorite Jackson Browne album, and that record was my dad’s intro to Jackson’s music when it came out. For that reason, I knew going in that I wanted to talk to my family about this one. After a brief intro and a look at the original 1976 Rolling Stone review by Dave Marsh, our conversation starts around the 7:00 mark. 

Kyle is the singer for the band Kanan Road, who you can check out at kananroadband.com. You can hear Dana Cox at danacox.bandcamp.com.

Share the podcast, and rate and review it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Connect with me on Twitter at @routinelayup or leave me a voice message at anchor.fm/afterthedeluge.

Also, I made a bracket of Jackson Browne songs so you can put yourself through hell trying to decide on a favorite.

Note: In this episode, we avoid discussing how Jackson Browne’s wife’s suicide might have played into the album. Without concrete knowledge, it wasn’t something we wanted to loosely speculate on in casual conversation.

In episode three I talk about the Jackson Browne album Late For the Sky with culture critic and music writer Steven Hyden of Uproxx and the Rivals podcast. After a brief intro and a look at the original 1974 Rolling Stone review by Stephen Holden, our conversation starts around the 7:00 mark. Follow Steven Hyden at @Steven_Hyden.

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Also, I made a bracket of Jackson Browne songs so you put yourself through hell deciding on a favorite. 

In episode two I talk about the Jackson Browne album For Everyman with PNW musician Ryan Page. After a brief intro and a look at the original 1973 Rolling Stone review by Janet Maslin, our conversation starts at 5:40 mark.

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Check out William Matheny's music at williammatheny.com. Matheny's song "Christian Name" plays after our conversation.