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The Deal With Animals

The Deal With Animals

By Marika S. Bell
Humans interact with animals every day of our lives. Even those without pets interact with animals in various ways: diet, wildlife, the clothes they wear. Even most medicines use animals in testing or in the medicine itself. This is a podcast about Anthrozoology: the study of interaction between humans and non-human animals.
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Series 3 & 4 Trailer: Antiracism and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy and Wildlife Encounters
Series Three is taking a look at the growing pains and bright spots of bringing equity and social justice to the animal welfare and many other areas of animal advocacy. You will meet amazing people and learn how you can take steps to move animal welfare into diversity and help all animals along the way. Series Four will be running concurrently (every other week) and will be discussions with humans who live with or have direct contact with wild (non-domesticated) animals. Get ready for some surprising stories!
January 24, 2022
E15: The History of the Conservation Movement with Author and Journalist, Michelle Nijhuis
The historical tradition that is The Conservation Movement spans thousands of years. What can we learn from past mistakes and bright spots so that conservation, biodiversity, and the tradition of saving the environment, wildlife and ourselves succeeds? Michelle Nijhuis is the author of the new book Beloved Beasts: Fighting for Life in an Age of Extinction, a history of the modern conservation movement. A project editor at The Atlantic, she is also a longtime contributing editor at High Country News and an award-winning reporter whose work has been published in National Geographic and the New York Times Magazine. She lives in White Salmon, Washington.
January 17, 2022
E14: Eco-Volunteering or Eco-tourism? Talking to Laura Coleman of Bolivian NGO, Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi
Talking to Author and Chair of Friends of Inti Wara Yassi, Laura Coleman about the Bolivian NGO, Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi (CIWY). CIWY is a non-profit founded by Nena Baltazar, recognized by Women's World Summit Foundation for her environmental activism. CIWY is dedicated to educating young people in Bolivia about their environment and providing safe haven for illegally trafficked wildlife.  With three wildlife sanctuaries in Bolivia, CIWY invites volunteers worldwide to work directly with their, over 500 animals, including primates and Big Cats. No previous experience needed.  Find out from Author of "The Puma Years", Laura Coleman who has volunteered with Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi for almost two decades.   
January 03, 2022
E13: Conservation Detection Dogs with Kayla Fratt of Conservation K9
This may be an aspect of conservation you haven't heard of before. Conservation detection canines; They are trained to scent, track and find endangered species, invasive species, or just dead bats. This topic is fun and entertaining and it doesn't hurt that Kayla is a super optimist.
December 20, 2021
E12: The Possum Predicament with Researcher, Emily Major
Eradicating or Saving the Australian Brushtail Possum in New Zealand? That's the question posed by PhD Candidate, Emily Major.  Emily’s research, examines the mainstream ‘possum-as-pest’ discourse in conservation and considers how compassionate conservation principles could help alleviate suffering and cruelty towards the brushtail possum. In tandem with her research, Emily began her blog, Framing Speciesism, which seeks to bridge the knowledge gap between academic scholarship and the general public. This blog, which discusses the framing of possums in short, digestible posts, can be found at Framing Speciesism
December 06, 2021
E11: How to Be a Humane Gardener with Nancy Lawson, The Humane Gardener
Nancy tells us about how to cultivate a beautiful garden that is also safe and inviting for the creatures to visit. Learn about the new HOA law in MD and join in Nancy's citizen science project documenting Monarch Butterfly leaf-scratching behavior. Nancy Lawson is the author of The Humane Gardener: Nurturing a Backyard Habitat for Wildlife, a habitat consultant, and a national speaker on garden ecology. She founded Humane Gardener to pioneer creative planting strategies and other animal-friendly landscaping methods. Lawson’s presentations at diverse venues—from national wildlife refuges to local wildflower preserves—have inspired even seasoned horticulturists and wildlife experts to look at their landscapes in a new way. Certified as a Chesapeake Bay Landscape Professional and master naturalist, she partners with conservation and animal advocacy organizations in central Maryland. Her book and garden have been featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, and other media outlets.
November 22, 2021
E10: The Vision and Mission of Born Free USA with CEO Angela Grimes
Did you see the Motion Picture Born Free when you were a kid? I did! It was the beginning of my journey into animal advocacy field. Angela Grimes CEO of Born Free USA talks to us about the Vision and Mission of Born Free USA, The Born Free Primate Sanctuary and other projects important to having a "positive impact on animals in the wild and protect their ecosystems in perpetuity, for their own intrinsic value and for the critical roles they play within the natural world". In 2002, Born Free USA was launched in the United States to bring Born Free’s vision to the American public. In 2007, Born Free merged with Animal Protection Institute (API). Born Free operates one of the largest primate sanctuaries in the United States. The 175-acre sanctuary, located in south Texas, provides a safe, permanent home to approximately 400 monkeys, many rescued from abuse in roadside zoos or as “pets” in private homes or retired from animal experimentation. Born Free USA
November 08, 2021
E9: October Special! Ornithomancy: Birds as Omens, Prophecies and Messengers of the Gods with Folklore Historian, Boria Sax
A special "spooky" episode to celebrate the season. A fascinating look into the 'Animal Lens' (how humans view themselves through other animals). Author of, Avian Illuminations and City of Ravens, among others, fascinates us with stories of the legend of ravens in the Tower of London, Birds as souls, and messengers to the Gods.
October 25, 2021
E8: Salmon Conservation in the Pacific Northwest with Dan Hintz
If you love the Pacific Northwest, Salmon, and conserving our waterways, then this is definitely the episode for you. 
October 11, 2021
Series Two Trailer: Conservation
Ultimately when humans talk about conserving diversity whether that be animal or plant we're also talking about conserving ourselves and preserving the lifestyles that we want for our children. This series we take a wide-ranging look at a variety of aspects of conservation as it pertains to how humans interact with other animals. We'll be talking to the CEO of Born Free USA, a leading wildlife charity that opposes the exploitation of wild animals in captivity, the owner of K9 conservationists an organization that trains dogs to detect endangered or invasive plants for animals, how to be a humane gardener in your own backyard, salmon habitat restoration and more! Our discussion on conservation will take us across the United States and all the way to New Zealand!
October 09, 2021
E7: Recognizing and Overcoming Compassion Fatigue with Hilary Hager of HSUS
This episode just might make you a happier person. You might think this episode would only be for those in animal welfare who feel sad, but just you wait! This is such a fascinating and important area to understand for anyone's mental and physical wellbeing. 
September 27, 2021
E6: Dog Bites: The Fallout and Emotional Toll with Dr. Sara Owczarczak-Garstecka
When a dog bites it doesn't just cause physical injury but emotional injury to the victim as well as the dog's caregiver. Dr Sara obtained her PhD researching the emotional toll of dog bites and now works for Dog's Trust, UK on a longitudinal study on health, welfare, and behavior of dogs from puppy to golden years. 
September 13, 2021
E5: Animal Assisted Interactions with Clare Thomas-Pino
Discussing the uses and ethics of Animal Assisted Interactions, Therapies, and services with Clare Thomas-Pinot, adjunct professor and Post Doctoral Candidate at the University of Main. 
August 30, 2021
E4: Holistic Pet Medicine with Dr. Jackie Sehn
Dr Jackie and I discuss Holistic pet medicine: What is it, why does she practice it, how does it work with an integrated health plan? Dr Jackie is a Veterinarian specializing in Holistic pet medicine at Mercy Vet on Mercer Island, WA. 
August 15, 2021
The Welcome Episode
The goals of this podcast and an introduction
August 09, 2021
E3: A Chat with Suzanne Clothier and Preparing Our Dogs for Post Pandemic Life
So many of us worked from home this year that many people decided to get an animal companion. Many of these dogs have had no experience or are out of practice with being left at home alone. I talk with Author and International dog trainer, Suzanne Clothier, about our dog's mental/emotional health and how to prepare our dogs for post-pandemic life. But just to set some expectations we go on for awhile just having a nice chat about life with animals. 
July 31, 2021
E2: Pet Acupuncture with Dr. Taryn Rathbone
What is pet acupuncture and how does it work? Dr. Taryn Rathbone discusses this and chats about dogs, horses and her experiences with animals. 
July 16, 2021
E1: One Health: Our Pets and Covid 19 with Dr. Julianne Meisner
Have you wondered if you pets could catch Covid 19 if you get sick? Can they pass it to each other or even bring it home to you? I am talking with Dr Julianne Miesner on her research with companion animals and Covid 19. I'll publish a link to her research and how you can get involved on my webpage  at and on facebook at The Deal With Animals. 
July 01, 2021
Whats Up Anthrozoology?
The Trailer. Introduction to Anthrozoology and myself, Marika S. Bell
June 13, 2021