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As It Should Be with Thamarrah Jones

As It Should Be with Thamarrah Jones

By Thamarrah Jones

What if we centered equity and social justice in everything we do? On the As It Should Be podcast, Thamarrah Jones is sharing stories from every day people building an equitable future for all — as it should be.

This interview-style podcast is for people learning (and unlearning) their role in upholding systems that hurt people. What does it take to recreate the world as it should be? Well, it takes you. Ordinary people, doing what you can with the skills that you have to create more honest, compassionate, and intentional communities each day.

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19: Support Women of Color in Business with Olivia Owens (she/her)

As It Should Be with Thamarrah JonesNov 22, 2021

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Bittersweet Goodbye
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30: Change Narratives, Shift Society with Rinku Sen (she/her)
Dec 14, 202241:43
29: Support Black Business with Melvin Graham (he/him)
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28: Support LGBTQ+ Youth with Elise Schuster (they/them)
Nov 17, 202256:10
27: Make Music Not Prisons with Fury Young (he/him) & BL Shirelle (she/her)

27: Make Music Not Prisons with Fury Young (he/him) & BL Shirelle (she/her)

In today's episode Thamarrah (she/her) is joined by Fury Young & BL Shirelle to discuss how Die Jim Crow Records is dismantling stereotypes of incarceration impacted people through music. 

Fury is DJC’s founder and Co-Executive Director and Under his leadership, Die Jim Crow Records has recorded over 60 incarcerated artists and over a dozen formerly incarcerated artists and gained access inside 5 different prisons.

BL Shirelle is and the Co-Executive Director of DJC and a phenomenal songwriter/rapper and producer on the label and a justice-impacted artist herself, raising up her community and sharing her art and activism with the world.

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Oct 21, 202244:60
26: Protect Your Family Online with Joe Miller, Esq. (he/him)

26: Protect Your Family Online with Joe Miller, Esq. (he/him)

In today's episode Thamarrah (she/her) and Joe (he/him) discuss the role legislators play in protecting us online and how we can stay informed about the policy changes that dictate what tech companies can and cannot do with our data.

Resources mentioned: 5 Easy Steps to Keep Your Kids Safe Online

Joseph Shepherd Miller, Esq. is the Founder of The Washington Center for Technology Policy Inclusion (WashingTech). Through his work at WashingTech, Joe advocates for diversity and inclusion in technology public policymaking and hosts Tech Policy -- a top podcast offering practical and actionable advice to protect yourself and your family from online safety threats.

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Oct 01, 202227:56
[REPLAY] 05: Building Space for Neurodiversity to Thrive with Vanessa Castañeda Gill (she/her)
Sep 14, 202246:01
25: Facing our history to shape our future with Kimberly Latrice Jones (she/her)| Part 2
Aug 31, 202238:10
24: Self-improvement is a revolutionary act with Kimberly Latrice Jones (she/her) | Part 1
Aug 17, 202229:46
23: My Culture's Not Your Punchline with Sandhya Jain Patel (she/her)
Aug 03, 202240:39
22: Check the Impact of Stuff You Buy with Fatimah Walee (she/her)

22: Check the Impact of Stuff You Buy with Fatimah Walee (she/her)

Do you know where the products you own come from? Not where you bought them, but was the person who picked the tomatoes in your tomato paste given fair wages, regular breaks, and adequate water? Was child labor used to create anything you own? It's impossible to answer those questions when companies just won't supply the info. In this episode, Fatimah Walee (she/her), Founder & CEO of Neuterra, joins to help us get some answers. Support Neuterra: Donate as little as $15 to help Neuterra bring supply chain transparency to 5 small and midsize businesses. Trace a product's story from the first kilometer to the last mile. Today's episode is brought to you by the Reframeables podcast.
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21: Healing Generational Trauma in America with Resmaa Menakem (he/him) | Pt. 2
Jul 06, 202227:33
20: Healing Generational Trauma in America with Resmaa Menakem (he/him) | Part 1
Jul 01, 202231:07
Best Of | 01: Decolonizing K12 Education with Susie Berg (she/her)
Jan 05, 202247:14
19: Support Women of Color in Business with Olivia Owens (she/her)

19: Support Women of Color in Business with Olivia Owens (she/her)

It's well documented women of color founders face both gender & racial inequities when it comes to building and growing their businesses. What I want to know is, what's being done about it? Olivia Owens and iFundWomen of Color are giving WOC founders the capital, coaching, and connections they need to kill the game. We discuss the unique barriers women of color founders face in building sustainable businesses, the best funding resource to kick start your business, and the role corporations play in moving us forward. 

SUPPORT THE SHOW 

Become a Patron for $3 per month at patreon.com/thamarrahjones Send me a coffee at buymeacoffee.com/thamarrahjones Leave a review on Apple podcasts or rate it on Spotify.

Nov 22, 202129:12
18: Democratize the Workplace with Farzin Farzad (he/him)
Nov 10, 202136:18
17: Your Story Matters. Here's Proof.

17: Your Story Matters. Here's Proof.

If you're reading this take this as your reminder that no matter who you are, where you come from, or who the world tells you you are, your story is important and you deserve to share it. In this episode, we meet a person who didn't believe that. But today, we're gonna see if we can work through that a little.

Today's Question: Do you share your story in public? Why or why not?
Submit your response on
thamarrahjones.com/17

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If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

Oct 06, 202144:04
16: Critique the Stories that Shape Us with F.D Signifier (he/him)
Sep 22, 202148:47
15: Embracing Curiosity and Discovering Each Others Stories with Abhi Nangia (he/him)
Sep 08, 202147:31
14: Build Brands Where People Are Seen, Heard, and Understood with Tameka Bazile (she/her)
Sep 01, 202135:16
13: Accelerate Social Innovation Through Stronger Ecosystems with Anika Horn (she/her)

13: Accelerate Social Innovation Through Stronger Ecosystems with Anika Horn (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In today's conversation we dive into the world of ecosystem building. What it is and how ecosystems are giving social innovators around the world the access they need to accelerate their missions. Anika Horn (she/her) is the Founder of Social Venturers. Through her company she is on a mission to support change-makers building purpose-driven careers, organizations and ecosystems without losing themselves.

Aug 25, 202131:26
12: Fight Anti-Blackness in Banking with Asya Bradley (she/her)

12: Fight Anti-Blackness in Banking with Asya Bradley (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! 

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In this episode, Asya Bradley (she/her) & Thamarrah (she/her) discuss predatory practices in the financial system stifling the Black community and how First Blvd Bank has created a bank for Black America to thrive. Asya Bradley is the Co-Founder & COO of First Boulevard: The Unapologetically Black, Digitally Native, NeoBank Building Generational Wealth for Black America. Connect with Asya on LinkedIn or follow @BankBlvd on Twitter.  

Aug 18, 202124:31
[BONUS] Coming Soon!

[BONUS] Coming Soon!

As It Should Be returns with new episodes next week.

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

Aug 11, 202104:10
11: Create Communities Where The Fullness of Who You Are Matters with Grace Ouma-Cabezas (she/they)

11: Create Communities Where The Fullness of Who You Are Matters with Grace Ouma-Cabezas (she/they)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode, Grace Ouma-Cabezas (she/they) & Thamarrah (she/her) discuss managers helping employees thrive, centering diverse people and experiences in marketing, building a career as a Black woman in corporate, and so much more.

Grace Ouma-Cabezas is the VP of Growth Marketing at TheSkimm and the Founder of FIELD, a storytelling platform for professionals of color to share our real work experiences. Grace is the Co-Host is one of my favorite new podcasts The Diversity Illusion, where 2 NYC professionals (and sometimes their guests) have discussions on being black and brown in the workplace.

Connect with Grace on LinkedIn or follow @OurField on Instagram

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Mar 10, 202152:36
10: Innovating Technology to Enable Equity and Justice with River Bunkley

10: Innovating Technology to Enable Equity and Justice with River Bunkley

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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River Bunkley (he/him) is a Product Specialist at Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and a Co-Founder of The Black Renaissance Group. River has made it his business to build innovative tech solutions to create a more equitable and just world, first prioritizing the development of the Black community which for him starts with reimagining justice.

In today's episode Thamarrah (she/her) and River discuss:

  • The role of technology in social impact missions
  • Reimagining justice in the United States
  • How to find your place in the fight to create an equitable world

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Connect with River Bunkley

  • Instagram: @River
  • The Black Renaissance Group: https://www.theblackrenaissancegroup.com/

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Feb 26, 202151:39
09: Navigating Culture as an Immigrant with Anya Cherrice (she/her)

09: Navigating Culture as an Immigrant with Anya Cherrice (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Anya Cherrice (she/her) discuss Anya's experience navigating through America as an immigrant, finding community as an adult, and defining American. Anya Cherrice is the CEO of Navigating Culture and the Host of The Homesickness Cure Podcast. Through her company she is on a mission to help Immigrants & First-Gen struggling to navigate two cultures learn how to self-validate, remove self-doubt, and dream bigger.  

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Connect with Anya at NavigatingCulture.co or @NavigatingCulture on Instagram

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Feb 17, 202133:24
08: Giving Kids the Space to Question in K12 Education with Mike Yates (he/him)

08: Giving Kids the Space to Question in K12 Education with Mike Yates (he/him)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Mike Yates (he/him) discuss how he is reimagining the future of education as one where students love school. Mike Yates is an Educator, Entrepreneur, Public Speaker, and the Senior Managing Director of Network Strategies at the Reinvention Lab by Teach for America.

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Connect with Mike Yates

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-yates

Twitter: @JustMikeYates

School-ish Podcast: https://www.yatesmike.com/schoolish-podcast

The Reinvention Lab: www.enduringideas.org

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This podcast is recorded using Riverside

Feb 10, 202141:54
07: Embracing 'Lived Experience' in Inclusion Practices with Patrice M. Palmer (they/them)

07: Embracing 'Lived Experience' in Inclusion Practices with Patrice M. Palmer (they/them)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Patrice Palmer (they/them) discuss how to deal with gaslighting, creating a culture that validates and embraces lived experience, allyship, and transactional vs transformative inclusion practices. Patrice Palmer is CEO & Principal Consultant @ eROOT Consulting™️, the Director of Social & Cultural Inclusion @ Colorado State University's College of Business, and the Diversity, Equity, Inclusion Specialist @ New Belgium Brewing.

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Connect with Patrice M. Palmer

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Feb 03, 202153:54
06: Building a Spirit of Equity in Children and in the Workplace with Serian Strauss (she/her)

06: Building a Spirit of Equity in Children and in the Workplace with Serian Strauss (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode Serian (she/her) and Thamarrah (she/her) discuss how to talk to kids about diversity, white supremacy in the workplace, and facilitating conversations about race that build the spirit of equity in individuals and organizations. Serian is a DEI facilitator, trainer, and personal development coach. Connect with Serian Strauss at serianstrauss.com

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Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/WMlwuCpp8CU

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Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too.

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Jan 20, 202138:28
05: Building Space for Neurodiversity to Thrive with Vanessa Castañeda Gill (she/her)

05: Building Space for Neurodiversity to Thrive with Vanessa Castañeda Gill (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode, Co-Founder of Social Cipher, Vanessa Castañeda Gill (she/her) joins the show to discuss how her company is creating space for Neurodivergent youth to thrive through their space pirate-themed social-emotional learning games. Social Cipher is led by a team of Neurodivergent Founders, including Vanessa herself.

Vanessa and Thamarrah (she/her) talk the importance of autistic youth failing safely, challenges faced by neurodivergent people caused by inequity in the workplace and in the startup space as founders, and how we can all support the neurodivergent community.

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Connect with Vanessa Castañeda Gill

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Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too.

Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones

Jan 13, 202145:56
04: [BONUS] The Haitians Have Entered the Building | Haitian-American Experience in Corporate & Beyond

04: [BONUS] The Haitians Have Entered the Building | Haitian-American Experience in Corporate & Beyond

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this very special bonus episode of the podcast Thamarrah is joined by Elizabeth Goeuti, Nagela Dales, and Ralph Desmornes to reminisce on their experiences growing up Haitian-American, building careers in corporate America, finding community, and all of our favorite Haitian things! Join us on this journey of becoming. Bòn fèt endepandans Ayiti. 

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Connect with the Guests 

Elizabeth Go  

  • Email: Elizbaethgo@weresolvetowin.com  
  • Company: Avinu Consulting 
  • Podcast: We Negotiate to Win 

Nagela Dales  

  • SLCo & Agency Website: https://www.slcreative.co  
  • Idea Trust Website: https://www.ideatrust.co  
  • Email: Dales@slcreative.co 

Ralph Desmornes  

  • Email: ralph@eclispedigitalagency.com  
  • Social: RDMane  
  • Company: Eclipse Digital Agency 

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Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones

Jan 01, 202101:21:36
Issa Holiday Break

Issa Holiday Break

See y'all in 2021. Until then if you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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Dec 21, 202003:28
03: Curating Experiences That Create Systemic Change with Neal Ludevig (he/him)

03: Curating Experiences That Create Systemic Change with Neal Ludevig (he/him)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode Neal (he/him) and Thamarrah (she/her) discuss curating spaces that foster conversation to enable systemic change and how to shift your mindset to move from 'problematic savior' to 'ally' to accomplice. Neal Ludevig is a producer, curator, and artist based in Harlem, NY. Neal is the founder of Moon31, a company that creates experiences that bring people together in innovative ways, through the Arts, Entertainment, and Media.

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Connect with Neal Ludevig

  • Visit Neal's personal website nealludevig.com
  • Work with Moon31 
  • Watch INSOMNIA, a new dark comedy series about Nikhil - a queer, Indian American going through an identity crisis. Through his adventures, he explores his sexuality, experiences euphoria, deals with racism, and suffers with loneliness - all while trying to get a good night's rest!
  • Join the waitlist for Snarky Elephant Productions, which is creating content exploring underrepresented human experience

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Dec 18, 202052:38
02: Amplifying BIPOC Consumer Experiences with Nagela Dales (she/her)

02: Amplifying BIPOC Consumer Experiences with Nagela Dales (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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Nagela Dales (she/her) is the Founder of SLCo & Agency as well as Idea Trust, the research arm of SLCo & Agency. Through her companies she’s on a mission to make innovation more equitable and to empower the experiences of black & brown consumers. In this episode, Thamarrah and Nagela discuss the biases in the innovation industry, how brands’ research approach undervalues communities of color, and how SLCo is helping to reshape the narrative. 

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Connect with Nagela Dales SLCo & Agency Website: https://www.slcreative.co Idea Trust Website: https://www.ideatrust.co Email: Dales@slcreative.co 

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Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones

Dec 09, 202047:36
01: Decolonizing K12 Education with Susie Berg (she/her)

01: Decolonizing K12 Education with Susie Berg (she/her)

If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!

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In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Susie discuss how the makers of K12 education content are pushing the industry towards more inclusivity by decentering the white experience.

Susie Berg (she/her) is a writer, change agent, and co-conspirator for racial justice. Susie is a Senior Digital Solutions Strategist and Global Diversity and Inclusion Advocate at Pearson, the world’s learning company, an organization committed to helping change lives through learning.

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Connect with Susie Berg

Social: @SusieDBerg | Website: Susieberg.ca | Email: bergdiversityconsultants@gmail.com

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Dec 02, 202044:31
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