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At The Intersection

At The Intersection

By At The Intersection

A podcast about two friends investigating what happens at the intersection of culture, identity, and policy. Hosted by Brian Kennedy and Marion Johnson.
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Affirmative Action, Anti-Blackness, and the Model Minority Myth

At The IntersectionOct 22, 2018

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The Queen is dead. Long live post-monarchy.

The Queen is dead. Long live post-monarchy.

Brian & Marion are here with an emergency episode about the death of Queen Elizabeth II, the state of the British monarchy, and how Marion is processing all this as an American, British, and Nigerian citizen. They also get into how pop culture portrayals of “relatable royals” help perpetuate the public’s support of a monarchy that doesn’t need to exist anymore. Brian discovers that King Charles and Prince Andrew are two different but still heinous people.
Sep 17, 202258:24
Where The Teachers At?

Where The Teachers At?

Brian & Marion get into the current state of public education and why teachers are leaving in droves. They also spend not nearly enough time singing Abbott Elementary's praises, and Brian manages to sneak in a history lesson because of course he does. 

Aug 29, 202201:01:60
The Charming Faces of American Exceptionalism

The Charming Faces of American Exceptionalism

Brian & Marion are back, baybee! And to kick off season 5, Brian is finally letting Marion run loose with her obsession over the relationship between Hollywood and the Pentagon, and her long-standing grudge against Jim Halpert. They also discuss Top Gun: Maverick's stunning (but not shocking) cultural dominance this summer, Chris Pratt's post-2017 transformation, and what they're reading/watching. 

Aug 15, 202201:09:05
Redefining Health as a Public Good (live)

Redefining Health as a Public Good (live)

Brian & Marion speak at UNC’s 42nd Minority Health Conference Body & Soul: The Past, Present, and Future of Health Activism, hosted by the Gillings School of Public Health’s Minority Health Caucus. They get into it with public health students about what the last year of COVID-19 and quarantine has revealed to us about our sense of collective responsibility, and how we can redefine public health as an essential public good and health access as a right. (This episode was recorded on February 26, 2021). 

Don't forget to nominate At The Intersection for Best Local Podcast here: https://vote.indyweek.com/out-and-about/best-local-podcast 

Apr 19, 202101:01:24
2021: Our Eyes on the Future, History's Eyes on Us
Feb 08, 202101:01:18
Tall Grass Food Box and a More Just Food System

Tall Grass Food Box and a More Just Food System

Brian and Marion are back with a Thanksgiving episode! Note: This episode was recorded in August 2020. Brian sits down with our friends Derrick Beasley, Gabrielle E.W. Carter, and Gerald Harris, the co-founders of Tall Grass Food Box, a CSA that distributes fresh produce from North Carolina's Black farmers to residents and restaurants around the Triangle. They talk through what inspired Tall Grass's creation, food justice, and of course, how they want their reparations. Find them at www.tallgrassfoodbox.com, and follow them on Instagram at @tallgrassfoodbox!
Nov 25, 202001:08:08
Gene Demby and the Anti-Blackness of Black Exceptionalism
Aug 24, 202001:22:31
Food Politics: You Are How You Eat
Aug 10, 202001:33:19
The Normalization of America's Police State
Jun 08, 202001:24:18
Quarantine Check-in: How We're Livin

Quarantine Check-in: How We're Livin

Brian & Marion get back in the (Zoom) studio to catch up on life since they began quarantining. They talk murder hornets, The Last Dance, and the new Instagram club scene. There's also new merch - reparations hoodies! 

May 11, 202001:05:56
Jessamyn Stanley and Black Body Positivity

Jessamyn Stanley and Black Body Positivity

Brian & Marion talk to yoga practitioner, author, and podcaster Jessamyn Stanley about body positivity and the aggressive policing of Black bodies. They also discuss how hard--and crucial--it is to build an inclusive yoga community without falling back into the consumerist, capitalist, and colonialist tropes that dominate so much of American yoga culture. And don't worry, they find time to discuss Adidas x Ivy Park as well.  Find Jessamyn's new podcast, Dear Jessamyn, at www.dearjessamyn.com or just about wherever you're getting this podcast from!
Feb 24, 202001:03:46
Burnout Hits Different When You're Black

Burnout Hits Different When You're Black

To ring in the new year, Brian & Marion get personal about their own experiences with that most millennial of conditions -- burnout. But oddly enough, most conversations about millennials and burnout have a very narrow, very white perspective on it...They also talk about how mental health can literally be life or death, and how policy can actually help our society take mental health as seriously as it needs to. CONTENT WARNING: suicide, self-harm. 


Jan 13, 202052:27
Primaries, Electability, and Self-Fulfilling Prophecies
Nov 20, 201901:17:15
The Evolution of Voter Suppression

The Evolution of Voter Suppression

Brian & Marion are back from their unscheduled hiatus with something light and frothy for the summer: voter suppression! They delve into the history of gerrymandering, current disenfranchisement, and the swindling of a Supreme Court seat. They also go on a hella tangent about hanging chads, so enjoy that angry jaunt down memory lane. 

Jul 22, 201901:01:48
Dr. Ciara Zachary and Black Maternal Health

Dr. Ciara Zachary and Black Maternal Health

Brian & Marion talk to public health expert Dr. Ciara Zachary about how systemic racism is killing Black mothers at an alarming rate. (They also go on a semi-relevant tangent about facial recognition software, so look forward to that coming up again in a future episode.) Brian also talks to his wife Brianna about her own experience being a Black mother in America. 

May 27, 201901:12:33
Gentrification, or Revitalization?

Gentrification, or Revitalization?

Brian & Marion discuss the hottest trend that's showing up in cities from D.C. to Brooklyn to Durham, NC -- gentrification! They get into the difference between gentrification and revitalization, what your responsibility is as an individual to fight gentrification, and whether there are any communities out there who are actually getting it right. Marion also gets profane talking about The Sims, which is shockingly relevant; and Brian takes us on a history detour to 9th-century Ethiopia.  

May 06, 201953:40
From Punchline to Protagonists: Blackness in Horror

From Punchline to Protagonists: Blackness in Horror

Brian & Marion dive into the surprisingly rich and complicated history of Black representation in horror movies, starting with The Birth of a Nation and ending (for now) with Us. Marion has a LOT to say about Dr. Robin R. Means Coleman's new Shudder documentary Horror Noire, and Brian surprises everyone by giving a world-class history lesson. They also answer that eternal question - what's your favorite scary movie?

Apr 22, 201901:05:43
Listener Questions
Apr 08, 201942:52
The Reparations Episode

The Reparations Episode

Brian & Marion finally dedicate a whole episode to reparations. They talk historical context, cultural opposition, and how reparations has gone from a throwaway to a presidential litmus test in ten years. They also discuss how each presidential candidate so far has answered the reparations question; and discover that right now, Marion doesn’t particularly care for any presidential candidates or perennial almost-candidate Joe Biden. 

Mar 25, 201901:13:05
Talila Lewis and Disability Justice
Mar 11, 201901:07:47
Legacy, Opportunity, and the Green New Deal

Legacy, Opportunity, and the Green New Deal

Brian & Marion dive into the historical and cultural context of the Green New Deal, America's latest stimulus proposal triggered by a specific crisis - in this case, climate change. They also refuse to check any acronyms before or during the episode, so fact check them at your leisure. Also also, this is their one-year anniversary episode! 

Feb 25, 201956:13
Edgar Villanueva and Decolonizing Wealth
Feb 11, 201948:17
Fyre Fest: White Privilege and Modern Colonialism

Fyre Fest: White Privilege and Modern Colonialism

Brian & Marion are back with an emergency episode about Fyre Festival and what we’ve all learned from the Hulu and Netflix documentaries. Of course that means getting into the history of the Bahamas and breaking down how Billy McFarland ain’t nothin new. Marion also coins a new phrase despite Brian’s insistence that another version of it already exists, and Brian pronounces the word “Bahamian” correctly exactly once. #Millennials, amirite? 

Jan 28, 201953:49
Dr. Jessica Barron and Surviving White Spaces [LIVE Crossover With Black Future Manifest(o)]

Dr. Jessica Barron and Surviving White Spaces [LIVE Crossover With Black Future Manifest(o)]

For their first crossover episode, Brian & Marion are joined by Micah and Mariah of Black Future Manifest[o] in front of a live audience! Together they talk to the brilliant Dr. Jessica Barron, author of The Urban Church Imagined, about her research on people of color in white spaces that want to use them to appear progressive and multiracial. On Black Future Manifest[o], Micah Gilmer and Mariah M. talk to leaders and community members working against racism, patriarchy, and capitalist exploitation to not only imagine but create a better future for ALL Black people. Follow them at @blackfuturepod! This episode was recorded at The Vault in Durham, North Carolina.
Nov 12, 201851:39
Affirmative Action, Anti-Blackness, and the Model Minority Myth

Affirmative Action, Anti-Blackness, and the Model Minority Myth

Marion & Brian discuss the latest court case challenging Affirmative Action and how the model minority myth is steeped in anti-Blackness and harms us all. Brian also struggles (and fails) to ramble off 200 years of history in 5(ish) minutes. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://anchor.fm/at-the-intersection/support
Oct 22, 201856:12
Environmental Racism: When The Storm Hits

Environmental Racism: When The Storm Hits

Brian & Marion talk Hurricane Florence...and Matthew, and Maria, and Katrina, and how the narrative when hurricanes hit predominantly Black and brown communities is always the same. They then talk to activist and community organizer Omisade Burney-Scott about her time in her hometown of New Bern, NC after Florence hit. Finally, 1.5 rants from Marion round out the episode.
Oct 08, 201801:17:06
Student Loans: The Struggle is Real

Student Loans: The Struggle is Real

We're back! In recognition of Back to School season, Brian & Marion stress themselves all the way out by talking about student loan debt. Theirs, yours, and everybody else's. Turns out, the way the system is set up means that Black and brown families are passing intergenerational debt down to their college-bound kids instead of building intergenerational wealth. Marion manages not to go on an anti-Bernie rant and we're all really proud of her. Marion does still go on an anti-capitalist rant, and Brian conjures up the spirit of Kanye West, because we gotta be who we are in this world.
Sep 10, 201801:02:47
Live from Durham, it's Black August!

Live from Durham, it's Black August!

Brian & Marion go to Black August in the Park! For At The Intersection's first live episode, recorded in Durham Central Park, they talk to attendees about the number one block party/family reunion/cookout of the year, how we're celebrating our Blackness, and how -- or whether -- everyone wants their reparations.
Aug 20, 201838:56
Self-Made in America: The Bootstraps Myth

Self-Made in America: The Bootstraps Myth

Brian & Marion break down the myth of the self-made billionaire and how it's tied up in racism, sexism, and capitalism. They also get into why the myth is still so comforting to so many of us, despite the fact that we will never be wealthy. Finally, tax policy expert Misha Hill stops by the studio to drop some knowledge on exactly how our economic and fiscal systems are set up to prevent any kind of self-made wealth, and to share how she wants her reparations.
Jul 30, 201801:09:48
#EverybodyBlack: The Bonds of the Diaspora

#EverybodyBlack: The Bonds of the Diaspora

Brian & Marion compare their experiences of being Black in America as a descendant of enslaved Africans and a first generation African American, respectively. They also discuss why everyone in the African Diaspora is always rooting for everybody Black, the different ways we internalize white supremacy, and how reparations will solve a whole lotta problems.
Jul 16, 201801:03:33
Cancelled: All Your Faves are Problematic

Cancelled: All Your Faves are Problematic

Brian & Marion open up about their personal problematic faves vs. the people who have landed on their ‘cancelled’ lists, and what makes it difficult to let a fave go. They also investigate who’s allowed to have second chances (hint: it’s usually rich white people) and how deeply embedded power dynamics make it hard to hold those people accountable for the harm they’ve caused. EVERYTHING IS LOVE gets sneaked in there too.
Jul 02, 201801:07:47
We're Brown, We're Queer, We're...Not Here?

We're Brown, We're Queer, We're...Not Here?

Brian & Marion talk about the falling rate of LGBTQ representation on the big screen, and how important it is to see honest, relatable portrayals of queer Black and brown people in media, especially in a political climate that criminalizes every single one of those adjectives. Sadly, Marion is forced to call out her longtime fave Donald Glover for participating in one of today's hottest trends, "Word of Gay." Happy Pride Month!
Jun 18, 201801:01:36
Language and White Supremacy

Language and White Supremacy

Brian & Marion talk "the n-word," free speech, and how language can be used as a weapon to protect white supremacy. They also talk to policy analyst and immigrant rights advocate Victoria Crouse about the renewed interest in making English the official language, and what the actual fallout from legislation like that could be. Content warning: profanity and ICE deportation.
Jun 04, 201801:15:35
Donald Glover, Beyonce, and The New Black Renaissance

Donald Glover, Beyonce, and The New Black Renaissance

Brian & Marion dive into the 21st-century Black Renaissance we're blessed to be living in, covering everything from "This Is America" to Beychella to DAMN. Then they throw back to the originator - the Harlem Renaissance - and read each other quotes by Langston Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, and Alain Locke.
May 21, 201801:02:04
Janelle Jones and White Progressive Myths

Janelle Jones and White Progressive Myths

Brian & Marion talk to economics expert Janelle Jones about the meaning of equity and how we actually achieve it. Surprise - reparations come up. Janelle also gives us some real talk about how white progressives continue to uphold white supremacy by being unwilling to accept the whole truth about racism in America.
May 07, 201841:37
Darrick Hamilton, Reparations, and a Federal Job Guarantee

Darrick Hamilton, Reparations, and a Federal Job Guarantee

Brian & Marion talk to Professor Darrick Hamilton about the federal job guarantee proposal that he helped create, and about how we want our reparations. Brian also slips in an unnecessary dig at Indiana Jones for what must be the thousandth time.
May 02, 201832:25
Equal Pay Day - the intersection of sexism and racism

Equal Pay Day - the intersection of sexism and racism

Brian & Marion discuss the many layers of discrimination found in the gender wage gap and why women of color get left out of the wage gap conversation. Brian shares some advice for men in a new game called Don't Be That Guy.
Apr 11, 201801:03:57
March Madness - Should college athletes be paid?

March Madness - Should college athletes be paid?

Brian & Marion debate the financial, ethical, and political implications of paying college athletes for their labor. (Spoiler alert: people's opinions on the matter are often guided by race.) Marion also learns that Canadians play American football.
Apr 04, 201801:00:20
Guns, Race, and Hypocrisy - Pt. 2

Guns, Race, and Hypocrisy - Pt. 2

In Part 2 of this episode, Brian & Marion reminisce about the mass shooting events that loom large in their memories, and discuss where the gun control movement could go next. Marion also talks to her friend Marcus, a veteran and life-long gun owner, about his place in the gun debate.
Mar 15, 201801:12:05
Guns, Race, and Hypocrisy - Pt. 1

Guns, Race, and Hypocrisy - Pt. 1

In Part 1 of this episode, Brian & Marion explore the long history of American gun culture and how the gun debate has been racialized since the beginning. They cover the Black Panther Party, Clint Eastwood, Ronald Reagan, and a George R.R. Martin-style takeover of the NRA.
Mar 07, 201847:45
Black Panther - How policy and culture created Wakanda

Black Panther - How policy and culture created Wakanda

Brian & Marion dive into the most important movie of the 21st century, Black Panther. They discuss cultural influences and impact, the importance of nuanced and human portrayals of Africans in the media, the historical context that Black Panther draws upon, and how this movie fits into our current political climate. They also completely forget to discuss their own professional and personal backgrounds - presumably, that's for Episode 2. Original music provided by 7Keys.
Feb 26, 201856:22