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Behaviorbabe (aka Dr. Amanda Kelly) is an ethical advocate for the accurate dissemination and application of behavior analysis. Dr. Kelly is a PhD-level, Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA-D); the first to be licensed in the state of Hawai’i. This podcast features conversations, discussions, and brief presentations by Dr. Kelly related to behavior analysis, education, sustainability, public policy, and more. For more great info, visit
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Ryan Hoesten on Connecting and Collaborating
In this episode, Ryan Hoesten joins the show to discuss what it’s like being a speech language pathologist. Ryan shares information about his background, including experiences working in a pediatric unit specializing in feeding and swallowing disorders and with augmentative and alternative communication (AAC) systems. For the last five years, Ryan has worked alongside various professionals providing treatment for autistic individuals. In this episode, Ryan discusses what it’s like to take a collaborative approach —sharing with us his successes connecting with others, even when principles/opinions from different professions/professionals conflict.
September 26, 2022
Angela Coreil on Clinical Behavior Analysis
Angela Coreil joins the show to share her experiences in the realm of clinical behavior analysis. Originally a psychologist by trade, now an analyst by training, Angela shares how she blends her knowledge and skill sets to treat clients with diagnosis and disorders not commonly associated with behavior analysis. To learn more about Angela and the work her team does, visit
September 19, 2022
Why Don’t We Participate in Public Policy
In this episode, Dr. Kelly seeks to answer the question, “Why don’t behavior analyst participate in public policy more than we do”. Dr. Kelly details problems with participation and offers a behavior analytic approach to addressing these barriers. To learn more, visit
September 16, 2022
Don’t miss Tamara Kasper
Don’t miss this upcoming two day conference hosted by AlphabeePRO, featuring speaker Tamara Kasper. Happening virtually October 4 & 5th. Learn more and register today, by visiting [This is a paid advertisement]
September 16, 2022
Patricia Wright on Cultural Humility
In this episode, Dr. Patricia Wright discusses the difference between cultural competence and cultural humility. Wright shares how culture can be social habits, religion, language, and beyond. For behavior analysts, being culturally aware includes adapting our language, especially when we are working with other professions or cultures. Wright shares some of her own missteps and lessons learned, modeling for us all how we can become more humble. To learn more, visit
September 11, 2022
Amy Evans on Getting the Party Charted
In this episode, Amy Evans joins Dr. Kelly to describe and discuss Precision Teaching, Instructional Design and what she means by getting the party charted! Amy fluidly describes the benefits of measuring fluency when teaching and learning new skills. Amy shares her journey as an expert in these areas and outlines what lies ahead for herself and the field! To learn more about PT, SSC, and Amy visit
August 31, 2022
Don’t miss upcoming ABA Conference with Tamara Kasper
Don’t miss this upcoming two day conference hosted by AlphabeePRO, featuring speaker Tamara Kasper. Happening virtually October 4 & 5th. Learn more and register today, by visiting [paid advertisement]
August 30, 2022
Saundra Bishop on Trauma Informed Treatment
In this episode, Saundra Bishop joins the show to discuss trauma informed treatment. Bishop has been certified 13 years as a behavior analyst. Yet, she reflects on how being a foster parent led her to shift how she views and delivers ABA services. In this episode, Bishop discusses the importance of taking a trauma informed approach to treatment, providing clear and concise examples and descriptions for listeners. Other topics also discussed include early career analysts, the role of licensure, and the importance of being involved with your state chapter. To learn more visit more about Saundra Bishop, the work she does, or the resources she offers, visit
August 25, 2022
Rick Kubina on the Power of Precision Teaching
In this episode, Dr. Rick Kubina joins the show to discuss precision teaching; why it’s useful and what makes him so passionate about the science. Together, they review the barriers and benefits to dissemination, the value of standardizing measurement, and the future of our science. To learn more, check out To access a list of Dr. Kubina’s publications, visit To contact Dr. Kubina, you can email him at
August 17, 2022
Don’t miss upcoming Treatment Plan Master Class
Quick update on my upcoming Treatment Plan Master Class, being offered in partnership with BrightKyte. I also share info about my upcoming talks in Ireland and at Autism New Jersey. To learn more about these upcoming events, visit
August 15, 2022
Darlene Crone-Todd on Gaslighting
In this episode Dr. Darlene Crone-Todd speaks on gaslighting from a behavior analytic lens. Crone-Todd discusses the ethics of behavior change and gaslighting within organizational systems. Other topics also discussed include the research to practice gap, Pop culture, and the power of philosophizing. To learn more about applied behavior analysis, visit
August 11, 2022
Leanne Page on Parenting with ABA
In this episode, Leanne Page from “Parenting with ABA” sits down with Dr. Kelly. Leanne talks about parenting advice and how much of it relies on punishment and is often based on our own experiences. Through her dissemination and education efforts, Leanne helps parents save their sanity by embedding positive practices based on the science of behavior analysis into their everyday interactions. Learn more at
August 05, 2022
Becoming a Behavior Analyst - My Story
In this episode, Dr. Kelly shares her journey to becoming a behavior analyst. To learn more about applied behavior analysis, visit
August 01, 2022
Meme Hieneman on Taking a Proactive Approach to Teaching
Meme Hieneman joins the show to discuss her career as a behavior analyst, which includes a long history with positive behavior support (PBS). Hieneman, originally certified in the 1980’s as an analyst, practiced in the field of behavior analysis until her passing. “Although she battled cancer for many years, she remained fully engaged, creating beautiful memories with her loved ones.” This episode was recorded on March 8, 2021. Hieneman, at age 55, passed away on August 5, 2021. To learn more about Hieneman’s contributions and the resources mentioned in the episode, visit
July 28, 2022
Lorna Murdock on Adulting on the Spectrum
In this episode, Lorna Murdock joins the show to discuss the inspiration behind her site “Adulting on the Spectrum”. Lorna shares her experiences with her daughters autism diagnosis and shares how the lack of meaningful, appropriate resources led her to create her own. To learn more about Lorna, visit
July 26, 2022
David Warner on Autism, Advocacy, and Running for Office
David Warner, Autism Parent Advocate, joins the show to share his perspectives and experiences with parenting, navigating the world of autism and ABA, becoming a parent advocate, and his journey running for office.
July 23, 2022
Debbie Sutherland on “The Business of Ambiguity”
In this episode Dr. Debbie Sutherland joins the show to discuss key thinking and behavior strategies within organizational systems, which are outlined in their book, “The Business of Ambiguity”. Gleaning from their experiences working in diverse fields, such as aviation, tech, and renewable energy, Sutherland also obtains insight by interviewing several successful business executives. In this episode Sutherland discusses how we can develop the ambiguity mindset, approach situations with curiosity, and become a connective communicator. To learn more about Dr. Debbie Sutherland, visit
July 22, 2022
Don’t miss upcoming ethics talk on Making Medical Necessity Determinations
Join us July 14th for a discussion pertaining to medical necessity. This presentation will include a brief literature review on the topic of medical necessity. Additionally, the presenters will discuss how medical necessity is conceptualized in practice, including specific strategies when making medical necessity determinations. Visit for more information.
July 11, 2022
Applications of ABA | Applied Behavior Analysis
Applied behavior Analysis (ABA) is the problem-solving, scientific approach to challenges that are relevant to individuals, communities, and society. Likely the most well-known application of applied behavior analysis is its use with individuals with autism. However the umbrella of this behavioral science extends much broader. Since the 20th century ABA has been pivotal in helping us to identify and achieve socially significant change. The past has been powerful and the future is still unwritten.
July 02, 2022
Jonathan Tarbox on ACT & Creating Kindness
In this episode, Dr. Jonathan Tarbox joins the show to discuss Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), as well as how to empirically evaluate kindness when working with clients. Tarbox provides an overview of ACT, offers suggestions for readings, and encourages analysts to get started by trying strategies on themselves. Tarbox further discusses his interests in evaluating how we can improve the perception of our behavior analytic interventions. Listen to this episode if you want to learn more about ACT, creating kindness, and maintaining a healthy dose of philosophic doubt while doing it all. For other information related to ABA, please check out
June 23, 2022
Mark Sundberg on Sorting Out the Verbal Operants
In this episode, Dr. Mark Sundberg joins the show to discuss the assessment and treatment of language disorders, the history of verbal behavior, and key components of strong university programs. Sundberg gives us a basic breakdown of the verbal operants, shares how the VBMAPP originated, and details how the next iteration of the assessment will focus of generative learning. To learn more about Dr. Sundberg visit To learn more about behavior analysis, visit
June 13, 2022
Ellie Kazemi on Performance Feedback and Artificial Intelligence
In this episode, Dr. Ellie Kazemi joins the show and shares how they started a university program and published THE book on supervision. In addition, Kazemi also shares their interests in engineering and artificial intelligence. Visit to learn more about Dr. Kazemi.
June 08, 2022
Carter Keegan on Autism and the Animal Kingdom
Carter Keegan returns to discuss updates in his life as an autistic adult. He details his journey, sharing struggles and successes, including his recent college graduation and his long-term relationship with his girlfriend, Tiffany. In this episode, Carter shares his affection for Disney movies and tells how being with “old friends” (even for 45 minutes) can be peaceful and calming. Carter also describes his connection and interest with animals, which started early in his childhood. Carter shares lessons we all can learn from observing and studying animals and the animal kingdom.
May 26, 2022
Shari Adler on Trauma Informed Treatment
In this episode, Dr. Kelly discusses trauma informed treatment with Shari Adler. Shari provides listeners with definitions, descriptions, and an in-depth discussion on the topic of trauma informed care.
May 20, 2022
Janice Chan on Classroom PRT (CPRT)
In this episode Janice Chan sits down with Dr. Kelly to discuss classroom Pivotal Response Training. In this episode, Janice shares similarities and differences between a DTT and PRT approach to instruction. Janice also describes some strategies for teachers who are looking to implement CPRT in their classrooms. To learn more visit
May 17, 2022
Rose Griffin on Being an SLP & BCBA
In this episode, Rose Griffin details her journey of becoming a speech language pathologist (SLP) AND board certified behavior analyst (BCBA). Rose describes her experiences and how she finds the two fields as complimentary to one another. Rose shares advice and resources for anyone else who may be interested in a similar path. Learn more at and
May 16, 2022
Quality Indicators of an ABA Program
In this episode, Dr. Kelly reviews 30 Quality Indicators of an ABA program. To access additional resources on this topic, visit
May 12, 2022
E. Scott Geller on Actively Caring
In this episode, Dr. E. Scott Geller joins the show and shares passionately about what they describe as Actively Caring. Active = behavior; Caring - Humanism. Geller describes themselves as a Behavioral Scientist and encourages others to do the same. Geller advocates for better marketing and more effective dissemination of behavioral science. Geller engages listeners with stories of daily, real-life applications from his personal experiences and shares outcomes associated with Actively Caring-based interventions. To learn more about Dr. Geller, please visit To contact him, email
April 28, 2022
Eileen Lamb on Cyberbullying in the Autism Community
In this episode Eileen Lamb, author, photographer, artist, and mom speaks with Dr. Kelly about her family’s journey with autism. Eileen, proud mom of two boys, shares her experiences living in France and now in Texas —Austin to be exact. In this episode, Eileen shares her own journey to receiving an autism diagnosis, as well as being a mom to two boys on the spectrum. Eileen describes the good, the bad, and the ugly: detailing the cyberbullying attacks she has been a victim of when publicly promoting ABA for her boys. Eileen details some of the horrific comments made to her and shares how she has learned to navigate the negativity, creating a safe space for parents (and community members) who want to engage in meaningful and respectful dialogue. To learn more about Eileen and the great work she does, please visit (@theautismcafe).
April 25, 2022
Justin Leaf on Ensuring a Bright Future for Our Field
In this episode, Dr. Justin Leaf joins the show to discuss concerns within our field and to offer suggestions for how we can propel our practice forward. Leaf reminds us to select socially significant treatment targets and to be flexible when implementing (rigid) treatment protocols. Leaf also encourages us to be okay being uncomfortable, to be open-minded and willing to engage in professional discourse with each other. To connect with Dr. Leaf, follow him online @authenticABA. To learn more about ABA, visit
April 09, 2022
Behaviorbabe on What Students Should Read
In this episode, Dr. Kelly offers some suggestions for students studying behavior analysis. From the 7 Dimensions (1968, 1987) to The Rights to Effective Behavioral Treatment (1988), Dr. Kelly suggests articles. In addition, Dr. Kelly offers suggestions for quick references (Behavior Speak) and books related to specific concepts (VB Approach, The Behavior Code). Of course, we all need The White Book and access to the writings of BF Skinner. Learn more at
March 31, 2022
What is ABA | 7 Dimensions
In this podcast, Dr. Amanda Kelly reviews the basic characteristics of ABA [applied behavior analysis]. To learn more visit
March 25, 2022
Rachel Kramer Speaks on TXABA
In this episode, Rachel Kramer, Executive Director of the Texas Association for Behavior Analysis, joins Dr. Kelly to discuss her passion in the field, her involvement with her state association, and to share news about their upcoming conference, which will be hosted in April in Dallas, TX. To learn more please visit
March 09, 2022
Welcome Back - 2022
Plenty of fresh, updated and engaging content headed your way in 2022!
March 08, 2022
Ethics of Effective Collaboration
In this episode, Dr. Kelly shares some quick tips on how to work with others who don’t want to work with you. To learn more visit
March 05, 2022
Laurie McLay on How to Get a Good Night’s Sleep
In this episode, Dr. McLay joins Dr. Kelly to discuss improving sleep behaviors (for your children and yourself). McLay shares information about the sleep study research her and her colleagues at the University of Canterbury are conducting with children and adolescents with autism and rare genetic disorders. In this episode, McLay shares three key areas for assessing and improving sleep: sleep-wake cycle, sleep efficiency/hygiene, and consequences for “curtain calls” or middle of the night awakenings. McLay speaks specifically to sleep disruptions during COVID19 and how parents can help their children (and themselves). To learn more, visit For anyone who wishes to reach out to Dr. McLay directly, she can be contacted at
February 28, 2022
Jessica Minahan on Treating Anxiety & Trauma in Public Schools
In this episode, Jessica Minahan talks with Dr. Kelly about treating anxiety and trauma in public school settings. Jessica discusses the challenges teachers face and how traditional strategies may not succeed. She also provides an explanation of these phenomena as well as some strategies for intervening, particularly for students on public school campuses. To learn more, visit
February 17, 2022
Antecedent Interventions
In this episode, Dr. Kelly discusses antecedent Interventions. Antecedent Interventions are those strategies, which are aimed at preventing challenging behavior from occurring. The focus is on strengthening deficient repertoires, while systematically increasing task demands and difficulty. For more information, visit
February 11, 2022
Shane Spiker on Self Care and Saying No
In this episode, Shane Spiker joins Dr. Kelly for a discussion on self care and learning how to say no. Shane discusses the benefits to creating a verbal community as well as some strategies for starting on the path to improved self care. Learn more at
February 07, 2022
Abigail Calkin on Inner Behavior
In this episode, Dr. Abigail Calkin shares her journey with behavior analysis studying inner behavior. Having been a student and colleague of Dr. Ogden Lindsley, Calkin learned first hand the value of the standard celeration chart and precision teaching on shifting one’s own covert verbal behavior. To learn more visit
February 04, 2022
Bethany Patterson on Being a BCBA and a Military Spouse
In this episode, Bethany Patterson joins Dr. Kelly to discuss life as a BCBA and a military spouse. Bethany shares with listeners her journey and highlights some difficulties for behavior analysts who are often moving with their military spouse. Bethany provides information and access to robust resources for those who may find themselves in a similar situation.
February 02, 2022
Functions of Behavior
Dr. Kelly discusses briefly the ABCs of ABA and explains the four functions of behavior. To learn more visit
January 27, 2022
Rebecca Womack on Adults, Advocacy, and Systems Change
In this episode, Rebecca Womack joins Dr. Kelly for a discussion on serving adults, efforts related to advocacy, and some suggestions for achieving meaningful, systems change. For more information, visit
January 17, 2022
Developing a Philosophy of Education
In this episode, Dr. Kelly discusses the process of developing a philosophy of education. She describes how this process will be shaped by your own educational experiences and will evolve over time. In this episode, Dr. Kelly shares her personal educational philosophy statement. For more information on education and ABA, visit
January 12, 2022
Antonio Harrison on Turning On the Lights
In this episode, Dr. Antonio Harrison discusses difficult topics; such as diversity, discrimination, and debating divorce with ones own dream. Harrison discusses his open letter to behavior analysis, including his ideas on how we can effectively evolve and expand our reach as behavior scientists. To read Harrison’s “Open Letter to Behavior Analysis” visit To learn more about applied behavior analysis, visit
January 08, 2022
Anxiety & Airplanes: A Personal Account
When one of your favorite places becomes a place of panic, what do you do? In this episode, Dr. Kelly shares what she has learned since having panic attacks on airplanes. Dr. Kelly shares information from experts, as well as what has been helpful for her along the way. ABA terms & concepts: matching law, PIC/NIC analysis, pairing, conditioning, behavioral repertoires.
January 02, 2022
Carter Keegan on Life on the Spectrum
This episode features a very special guest, Carter Keegan. Carter is a young adult with autism who shares with us his journey: from diagnosis to driving, to dating, going to college, and everything in between.
December 31, 2021
Being both a mentor and mentee
Dr. Kelly sends an extra special congrats to our most recently certified analysts, specifically Jennifer Lonardo, BCBA! She also shares her experiences, and describes how one can be both a (lifelong) mentor and mentee!
December 31, 2021
Science According to Skinner
In this episode, Dr. Kelly brings us back to our roots and reads us some Skinner quotes, specifically related to science and our roles as scientists from his text “Science and Human Behavior”. For more information about B.F. Skinner check out the B.F. Skinner Foundation at For more information about ABA visit
December 28, 2021
Jay Cage on Personal Change
In this episode, Dr. Kelly is joined by Jay Cage, who describes her journey on the path to personal, sustainable behavior change. Jay emphasizes the role behavior analysis has played in helping her achieve personal change; offering examples and ideas for others along the way. Learn more at
December 26, 2021
Judah Axe on Creating Connections
In this episode, Dr. Judah Axe discusses his research on problem solving, as well as recent and upcoming conference presentations, and ongoing collegial collaborations. To learn more about many of the topics mentioned in this podcast related to applied behavior analysis, visit
December 20, 2021
Martha Gabler on TAGteach
In this episode, Martha Gabler discusses her experiences as an autism mom, detailing her difficulties and discoveries along the way. Martha shares her first experiences with ABA, delving into VB, DI, and PT before discovering TAGteach (Teaching with Acoustical Guidance). To learn more Martha and her journey, visit
December 18, 2021
Reinforcement or Punishment
In this episode, Dr. Kelly describes the differences between reinforcement and punishment. She provides examples of both positive and negative reinforcement as well as positive and negative punishment. To learn more visit
December 15, 2021
Brandon Franklin on Reducing Suspensions in School Settings
In this episode, Brandon discusses with Dr. Kelly the role his team plays in Louisville Public Schools. Brandon explains how “everything is legit behavior” and how he has found success as a district-wide public school consultant. Brandon shares with listeners data from his district, demonstrating the positive effects he and his team have had on reducing overall suspension rates. Brandon compassionately shares his journey and the lessons learned along the way.
December 11, 2021
ADHD and Anxiety
While medications are often prescribed for children with ADHD or anxiety, the first line of treatment recommended by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) is behavioral therapy. To learn more visit
December 06, 2021
Rob Pennington on Being PartTime Lovers
Dr. Rob Pennington joins the show to discuss important trends in teacher education. On this episode, Pennington shares common barriers that ail our public school systems. He shares lessons learned while drawing from personal experience to offer listeners strategies for success when consulting in these settings. Pennington urges behavior analysts not to be “part-time lovers”, meaning he wants us to use the principles to help ourselves through all challenges, not just challenges we face when working with children with autism. We never blame the learner, only the environment. Pennington reminds us to stay true to this in everything we do. To learn more about ABA, please visit
November 20, 2021
Chrissy Kelly on Inclusion
In this episode, Dr. Kelly interviews Chrissy Kelly, creator of “Life with Greyson and Parker” about inclusion. What is inclusion? What is needed to make inclusion a success? Where do you begin? For more information, check out Chrissy on Facebook at
October 31, 2021
Ashley Rose on Teaching Social Engagement
In this episode, Ashley Rose joins Dr. Kelly to talk about teaching social engagement and not taking ourselves too seriously. Ashley offers listeners a definition of social engagement, some suggestions for effective facilitation, and how to play, pair, and condition ourselves as fun! To learn more about Ashley and the work she does, check out
October 26, 2021
Jennifer Lonardo on Advocating For Appropriate Treatment Recommendations
In this episode, our guest Jennifer Lonardo, BCaBA who lives in Kona on the island of Hawai’i discusses how she effectively and ethically advocates for access to ABA services across settings for her clients. To learn more about ABA, visit
October 25, 2021
Mark Dixon on Cockroaches, Casinos, & Curricula
In this episode, Dr. Mark Dixon join the show to discuss broad applications of behavior analysis. Dixon conducts research in 3 very distinct areas: cockroaches, casinos, and curricula. ABA principles embedded in the conversation include: stimulus equivalence & relational frame theory, which are embodied in Dixon’s PEAK curricula. To learn more about PEAK, visit
October 16, 2021
Science or Pseudoscience?
Dr. Kelly describes some clear indicators, which are cause for concern when evaluating treatment options. Whether we are talking about autism interventions, weight loss approaches, or ways to decrease baldness, there are many imposters out there! Dr. Kelly offers listeners some keys ways to detect the difference between science and pseudoscientific approaches. For more information, visit
October 14, 2021
September 26 Project
One year ago my dear friend, Feda and her son, Mu who was severely autistic, died in a house fire. Feda made it out of the house, but her son was still inside. She went back in and sadly neither of them survived. Feda died how she lived, dedicated to her children and full of love. On the one year anniversary we ask that you honor their memory by testing your smoke alarms, creating an evacuation route, and taking extra steps if your child or family member has special needs.
September 27, 2021
Elisa Cruz-Torres on RBTs: Ethics and Advice
In this episode, Dr. Elisa Cruz-Torres joins the show to discuss the Registered Behavior Technician (RBT) credential. Cruz-Torres discusses the process of becoming an RBT, constraints when trying to obtain competencies in ABA, and responsibilities and restrictions of supervisors. Lastly, Cruz-Torres offers some suggestions for overcoming barriers that may exist. To learn more visit
September 24, 2021
Feda Almaliti on Creating Sub-Specialties in ABA and on the Treatment of Severe Behavior
In this episode, Feda Almaliti joins Dr. Kelly to speak on the need for specialization within the field of behavior analysis. Feda shares from her own experiences as an autism mother, insurance champion, and legislative advocate the need for further developing existing treatment and supports for adolescents and adults with severe challenging behavior.
September 21, 2021
Nicole Davis on Using ABA in Online Instruction
In this episode, Nicole Davis talks about her role as a professor of online instruction in behavior analysis. David details ways in which behavior analysis can be incorporated into how we teach in an online world, as well as what to teach in an ABA program. To learn more, visit
September 17, 2021
Becca Tagg on Being Dually Certified
In this episode, Dr. Becca Tagg discusses her journey as a scientist, dually-licensed as a psychologist and behavior analyst. Dr. Tagg discusses the value of creating a verbal community and the importance of self care. To learn more, visit Please excuse our minor technical glitches in this episode.
September 07, 2021
Rachel Taylor on Defining the Magic
In this episode, Dr. Rachel Taylor talks about “Defining the Magic” of behavior change. This includes translating our science for others, staying focused on improved independence and quality of life, practicing within our scope, and extending our scope to new populations, and across age groups. Taylor provides insight and advice for newly minted analysts as well as for veterans in the field. To learn more about Taylor and her work, visit
August 25, 2021
Amanda N. Kelly on Delving Deeper into Public Policy
In this special edition, Dr. Ellie Kazemi interviews Dr. Amanda Kelly (Behaviorbabe) on her advocacy efforts. Kelly speaks to her journey and how she developed expertise in influencing public policy as a behavior analyst. Kazemi and Kelly discuss advocacy efforts specific to Hawaii, emphasizing some unique aspects to the licensure law. Discussions focus on how we got to where we are today and who helped pave the way, as well as what others can do if they too wish to become involved. To learn more about advocacy and the timeline of efforts in Hawai’i, please visit
August 23, 2021
Dyson Chee on Youth Activism and Advocacy
In this episode, Dyson Chee 17-year-old climate activist joins Dr. Kelly to discuss youth activism and advocacy. Dyson describes his love for the beach; snorkeling, bodyboarding, and having what he calls an overall “ocean connection”. Dyson describes how he became more formally involved in advocacy and public policy, relating to eliminating the use of single use plastics. He shares the experience he’s gaining and the lessons he’s learning, as well as the impact he is making! When asked if one person can make a difference, Dyson replied, “we’re all only one person; collectively we are a community”. Learn more about Dyson Chee and the great work he is doing by following @project_ocean_hawaii on Instagram and Facebook.
August 19, 2021
Noel Torres-LaFratta on Educational Resources During COVID19
In this episode Noel Torres-LaFratta joins Dr. Kelly to share some educational resources. The episode follows Noel’s journey as a sibling of someone with autism, an educator, RBT (although currently inactive), and coach for the Special Olympics. Noel shares what life is like in New York during the crisis as well as what inspired her to compile resources. Learn more at
August 07, 2021
Kate Disney on Accessing ABA for Military Families
In this episode Kate Disney, a mother, veteran, nurse, and military spouse offers her unique perspective on accessing ABA as a military family. Kate speaks with Dr. Kelly on the unavoidable and avoidable aspects associated with transitions, moves, and deployments and what can be done to mitigate the effects. For more information, visit
June 01, 2021
Julia Fiebig on Being Okay with Being Uncomfortable
In this episode, Dr. Julia Fiebig discusses her journey as a behavior analyst, a classical violinist, a songwriter, and climate change activist. She discusses the value of fluently learning the science of behavior analysis, emphasizing the benefit of being both creative and courageous. Fiebig shares the growth she has gained when she is willing to place herself in uncomfortable situations —whether that’s attending a conference where she’s the only behavior analyst or presenting to a room full of others outside of her profession; it can be daunting and difficult, but as Fiebig shows us, totally doable too. To contact Dr. Fiebig, e-mail
May 29, 2021
Ellie Kazemi on the Function of Supervision
In this episode, Dr. Ellie Kazemi returns as a guest to discuss the topic of supervision. Discussions include empowering students, connecting with them, helping them highlight their strengths and become aware of their weaknesses. Kazemi discusses key areas of supervision: feedback and conflict resolution. To learn more about applied behavior analysis and topics related to supervision, visit
May 23, 2021
Clint Evans on The Behavior Chef
In this episode, Clint Evans joins Dr. Kelly to discuss the Behavior Chef. Clint shares how his love for the science and desire to improve his health led to an opportunity, which also allows him to help others. In this episode, Clint and Dr. Kelly discuss how our histories, private thoughts, and existing repertoires influence our behaviors, related to health and nutrition. Listeners have the opportunity to hear Clint delve into the art of cooking, through a behavior analytic lens. To learn more about Clint, his partner Tony Chambers, and their mission, visit
May 09, 2021
Translating Technical ABA into Everyday
In this episode, Dr. Kelly talks about the challenges behavior analysts face when switching between a technical and conversational description of ABA. Learn more at
April 19, 2021
Josh Cobbs on Advocacy, Parenting, and Putting Joy into Life
In this episode, Josh Cobbs joins Dr. Kelly and shares his journey in the world of advocacy and parenting. Josh shares his self-care strategies as well as his no nonsense “nothing will stop me” attitude, which led to the creation of his company, Joyency. Let joy be your currency! Learn more at
April 18, 2021
Sasha Long on Autism Supports in Public Schools
In this episode, Sasha Long joins Dr. Kelly to discuss how to best support teachers and students in our public schools. Sasha’s background as an educator led to her career as a behavior analyst. Sasha details her journey, where she struggled, and how she found success in the classroom setting. Sasha shares strategies for how to be an effective consultant and how to translate technical lingo to the layperson. To learn more about Sasha Long, The Autism Helper, visit
April 05, 2021
Purnima Hernandez on Dentistry, Neurophysiology, & ABA
In this episode, Dr. Purnima Hernandez discusses her journey into behavior analysis. She shares how she practiced Pediatric Dentistry before starting her own family. After becoming a mother, it was through her son and his needs that behavior analysis entered her life. After returning to work full-time Hernandez began blending the principles and procedures of behavior analysis into her work with her pediatric patients. She discusses the integration of operant and respondent paradigms and how they come into play in a dentist’s chair. Hernandez also shares her passion for learning and how her focus is shifting to health, nutrition, and neuroscience. To learn more about Hernandez and the excellent work she is doing, visit You can also find her on YouTube “From Chef H’s Kitchen”. To learn more about applied behavior analysis, visit
March 24, 2021
Natalie Parks on Partnering with Police
In this episode, Dr. Natalie Parks joins the show to discuss her passion for partnering with police. Parks describes her interest in leadership, diversity and inclusion, and organizational systems and shares the great work she and her colleagues are doing in St. Louis. Collaborating with police officers and departments allows Parks, as a behavior analyst, a point of entry into the justice system. To learn more about Dr. Parks, visit To learn more about behavior analysis, visit
March 16, 2021
Shannon Biagi on OBM
In this episode, Shannon Biagi joins Dr. Kelly to discuss Organizational Behavior Management (OBM): what it is and what it is not. Shannon describes for listeners some parallels between clinical practice and OBM endeavors: such as the focus on behaviors of social significance and the use of single subject designs. To learn more about OBM, visit
March 04, 2021
Katy Stallings on OpenABA
In this episode, Katy Stallings joins Dr. Kelly to discuss what OpenABA is and how the software came to be. Katy shares how the need for a customizable, FREE platform, almost overnight (due to COVID19) compelled her to reach out to friends and colleagues in other professions. Together, with feedback from users and input and from dedicated and talented volunteers, the platform continues to grow and evolve, adapting to meet client needs. To learn more about this project, or to volunteer your time, visit
February 21, 2021
Importance of Advocacy and Dissemination Efforts
Hear Dr. Kelly's thoughts on the importance of being involved in advocacy and the dissemination of behavior analysis. Being involved in the discussions will ensure behavior analysts are defining the practice and not others. Uphold the ethics and rigor of the field and do your part to protect the public, as well as the profession.
February 06, 2021
Top 10 Episodes of 2020
Behaviorbabe counts down the TOP 10 episodes of 2020!
December 31, 2020
Peace Out 2020 with Sarah Trautman
In this very special, hour-long episode, Sarah Trautman and Dr. Kelly discuss all things 2020. They speak of how this year started with optimism and intention. Then, became one filled with chaos and heartbreak, most notably with the loss of autism advocate and friend, Feda and her son, Mu. In this episode, Sarah and Dr. Kelly kick 2020 to the curb and talk about what really matters in life! Join them as they take a candid look back at 2020 and a cautiously optimistic look ahead to 2021.
December 21, 2020
Common Misconceptions of ABA
In this episode, Dr. Kelly (Behaviorbabe) reviews some common concerns and misconceptions about the practice of applied behavior analysis (ABA). To learn more, visit
December 18, 2020
Molly Benson on Sustainability and Public Policy
In this episode, Dr. Kelly discusses the topics of sustainability and public policy with guest, Molly Benson. Molly chronicles her “competency-based adventures” and shares highlights from her journey. Interested in branching out and applying behavioral principles to other areas of need? Then this episode is for you. For more information, visit
December 09, 2020
Lorri Unumb on Autism Insurance and Adult Services
In this episode, Lorri Unumb, Vice President of Governmental Affairs from Autism Speaks, talks with Dr. Kelly about Autism Insurance and creating vocational options for adults. Lorri offers perspective and insight into past legislative efforts as well as a look ahead to what’s next on the horizon. To learn more about ABA, please visit **originally published in 2019**
November 30, 2020
Kristen and Arin on Being Honest, Humble, Human
In this episode, Kristen Lancaster (she/her) and Arin Donovan (they/them) join Dr. Kelly (she/her) to discuss taking a values-based approach to everything we do. In this episode, Kristen and Arin share their thoughts and experiences with creating connectivity and living their lives with compassion. Both Kristen and Arin encourage listeners to be kind to themselves and to remember we are all human. Please join us for this discussion on being honest, humble, human. For more information related to ABA, visit
October 24, 2020
Jennifer O. Price on Special Education Law
In this episode, Attorney Jennifer O. Price speaks with Dr. Kelly on special education law. Jennifer provides recommendations for parents to help them navigate the (often contentious) special education process. She emphasizes the importance of putting conversations in writing, identifying your allies, bringing a friend or advocate to your meetings, and keeping copious records. To learn more about Jennifer visit: To learn more about Behaviorbabe visit
October 08, 2020
Managing Behavior when Cooped Up with Corona
During this unprecedented time, families are facing some significant challenges. Children are out of school and lives as we know it are drastically different for the foreseeable future. Imagine what this means for families of children with autism. Parents who depend on a village to keep themselves and their families afloat. This short podcast discusses some strategies for families who may be faced with managing severe behavior while cooped up with corona. For more resources, visit
October 05, 2020
Camille Morgan: A Black Woman with a Comma
In this episode, Camille Morgan joins Dr. Kelly to discuss being a black, cisgender, lesbian, behavior analyst. In light of the current unrest in the US and the ongoing conversations on racism, Camille and Dr. Kelly discuss how we can begin to move through what makes us uncomfortable to create a space where we can acknowledge and address racism in ourselves, in our field, and in society. To learn more, visit
September 24, 2020
Becky Markovits on Making the Most of Online Instruction
In this episode, Dr. Becky Markovits talks with Dr. Kelly about how students can make the most of online instruction. Dr. Markovits identifies some barriers (e.g., decreased contact with professor) and benefits (e.g., flexibility), as well as some suggestions for ways to enhance your overall online learning experience. For more information, visit
September 22, 2020
Bethany Patterson on Autism & the Military: ABA During the Pandemic
Bethany Patterson joins Dr. Kelly for a second episode. In this episode, Bethany and Dr. Kelly discuss the challenges military families and providers are facing during the COVID19 pandemic. Join us as we discuss impacts on types of coverage and the modalities of service delivery deemed acceptable by TRICARE, as well as other impacts the pandemic has had for military families —both providers and recipients of ABA services. For more information, visit
September 07, 2020
Kristen and Carla Schmidt on Telehealth & the COVID-19 Crisis
In this episode, two guests, Kristen Koba-Burdt and Dr. Carla Schmidt join Dr. Kelly to share their expertise on telehealth. The episode discusses terminology, regulations, and strategies for successful setup as well as navigating the learning curve when first beginning. In addition, our guests discuss providing telehealth during the current COVID-19 crisis. To learn more visit
August 22, 2020
Vincent Van Antwerp on Telehealth: Help or Hindrance
In this episode, Vincent Van Antwerp discusses the topic of telehealth with Dr. Kelly. Vincent shares how the pandemic has catapulted the profession of behavior analysis into the world on online instruction. Vincent shares barriers encountered by professionals and agencies as well as some suggestions and solutions. Join us for this episode and discuss telehealth with us, advantages and disadvantages and then weigh in on whether for you, telehealth is a help or a hindrance. Learn more about Vincent and the work he is doing at
August 06, 2020
Mireille Ellsworth on Hawai’i for a Safe a Return to Schools
In this episode, Mireille Ellsworth, a Hawai’i public school teacher joins Dr. Kelly to discuss her concerns for returning to in-person instruction for the upcoming school year. Mireille describes how she transformed her concerns into a grassroots campaign, full of creative ideas for advocating for a safe return to schools. Mireille discusses with Dr. Kelly how she and her colleagues effectively advocated for additional training for teachers and a delay in the start of in-person school for the 20-21 school year. Mireille describes the 4-phase plan her group feels is needed for us to safely return to our public school campuses. Mireille speaks candidly about teachers experiences with DOE “COVID-training” and the type of PPE teachers in Hawai’i have actually received.
August 02, 2020
Jackie MacDonald on Life-Work Balance
Dr. Jackie MacDonald joins Dr. Kelly on this episode to discuss balance, being present, and pausing our fast-paced brains. How do often “over achievers” in the helping professions stop to check in and begin to take care of themselves? In this episode, you’ll find a fun and lighthearted conversation about creating balance and hear how Dr. MacDonald and Dr. Kelly are learning to reinforce their own “hobbyist” behaviors.
July 10, 2020
ABA in Schools
In this episode, Dr. Kelly provides an overview of applied behavior analysis in the school setting. Dr. Kelly provides resources related to successful integration of ABA in schools and provides examples of how ABA can be embedded in classroom settings.
June 16, 2020
Behavior Change During Quarantine
In this episode, Behaviorbabe (Dr. Kelly) talks about some ways her behavior has changed during quarantine. She explores how we have increased behaviors (e.g. cooking at home, wearing masks), while others have decreased (e.g., dinning out, traveling) and others have changed (e.g., celebrating birthdays, going to the grocery store). Dr. Kelly explores some of these new daily truths and does so thru a behavior analytic lens. Although not named specifically in the episode, Dr. Kelly addresses concepts such as the matching law, skill acquisition, motivating operations, aversive stimuli, and the importance of context. To learn more visit
June 13, 2020
Amanda Kelly on Why Straws Suck
In this unique episode, Dr. Amanda Kelly is interviewed by ASU Professor, Dr. Amanda Digangi on the topic of sustainability. Originally a discussion with ASU graduate students, in this interview Dr. Kelly shares her journey of blending behavior analysis with her passion for sustainability, as well as the origin of her #NoStraw4Me campaign. Dr. Kelly shares her thoughts on how behavior analysts can gain competence, influence legislation, and impact behavior change beyond autism. To learn more visit
June 08, 2020
Ilana Hoffer Skoff on the Milestones Autism National Conference
In this episode, Milestones Executive Director, Ilana Hoffer Skoff joins Dr. Kelly to discuss the upcoming Milestones National Autism Conference. Ilana shares the diverse lineup of this year’s (now virtual) conference including Keynotes Lamar Hardwick and Dr. Lauren Moskowitz. Milestones has additional resources beyond their annual conference: such as finding resources for tele-support, self-care, guardianship, and much more. Join Ilana and Dr. Kelly as they discuss the conference, resources, and more. To learn more about Milestones, visit
June 06, 2020
Ethics and ABA
In this episode Dr. Kelly explains how a formula is needed when confronting ethical dilemmas as they are rarely ever black or white. What do you do when one code element appears to conflict with another? Join us for a quick, yet deep discussion on ethics and ABA.
June 03, 2020
Presession Pairing
In this episode, Dr. Kelly discusses her dissertation research and details her investigation on the effects of presession pairing. To learn more visit:
May 19, 2020
Amanda Laprime On Building Capacity in Public Schools
In this episode, Dr. Amanda Laprime joins us to share her thoughts, strategies and suggestions for building capacity in public school settings. Dr. Laprime pulls from her experiences consulting to school teams, always focusing on the principles of behavior analysis. For more information, visit
April 24, 2020
Amanda N. Kelly Testifies at the Hawai’i State Capitol (2015)
In this episode, we take listeners back to 2015 when Dr. Kelly was asked to explain applied behavior analysis (ABA) to legislators at the State Capitol. What do you notice? What would you do differently if given the chance? Do you have your elevator speech ready? To learn more visit
April 17, 2020
OHABA 2020
In this episode Andrew, OHABA’s Conference Chair and I discuss Behaviorbabe, the upcoming OHABA Conference, and my talk: The Ethics of Effective Advocacy.
February 01, 2020
Teaching Vocational Skills
Dr. Kelly reviews some tips and techniques for preparing learners (and ourselves) for vocational settings. To learn more, visit
January 08, 2020
Call Me
I want to hear from you and now there’s an even better way for us to connect. Simply go to Anchor, search Behaviorbabe’s podcast and select “leave a message”. Ask questions, share your thoughts, or simply say “hello”. Your recording might even be featured in a future episode of the show!
January 04, 2020
Top 10 Episodes (2019)
This episode counts down The Top 10 most downloaded shows from Behaviorbabe’s podcast.
January 01, 2020
Functional Behavior Assessments (FBA)
Functional behavior assessments are generally considered to be a problem solving process for addressing behaviors of concern. Behavior plans based on an FBA will be more effective and efficient, and will produce broader change in the lifestyle of the individual with challenging behavior (O’Neill, et al., 1997). Learn more at
December 28, 2019
Mary Barbera on Turning Autism Around
In this episode, Dr. Mary Barbera joins the show to discuss her mission to “Turn Autism Around”. Barbera shares her personal journey as a mom to a (now adult) son on the autism spectrum. She also shares with listeners her mission to help 2 MILLION families by 2020. With experience in schools, hospitals and home settings, Barbera is well equipped to help parents and professionals do just that. To learn more, visit
December 27, 2019
Criss Wilhite on Sustainability, Social Justice, and Science
In this episode, Criss Wilhite joins Dr. Kelly and shares her journey into behavior analysis and its intersection with her “hippy” lifestyle practices. Criss also discusses the progression of the behavior analysis program at Fresno State and how sustainability has become an integral focus of the University. As a professor, Criss assigns self-management projects, which require students to increase and decrease behaviors related to creating a more sustainable lifestyle, while incorporating behavior analytic practices. To connect with Criss, email her at To learn more about ABA and Sustainability, visit
December 18, 2019
SAFMEDS vs Flashcards
In this episode, Dr. Kelly reviews the similarities and differences between SAFMEDS and flashcards as study tools. To learn more, visit
December 15, 2019
Ethics of Staying Up to Date
In this episode, Dr. Kelly reviews some of the changes put forth by the Behavior Analyst Certification Board (BACB). Changes were announced December 2018 and most are effective November 2019. For more information visit For more information related to ABA visit
December 12, 2019
Is the RBT Right for You or Your Agency?
In this episode Dr. Kelly discusses the RBT (Registered Behavior Technician) credential and whether it is right for you or your agency. Dr. Kelly reviews the barriers and benefits to credentialing direct support workers as RBTs, including increased consumer protection and eligibility for school-based claiming. Learn more at
December 09, 2019
Who knew science could be this exciting?
All things ABA, including discussions on Supervision, Ethics, Public Schools, Adult Services, Military life, OBM, Sustainability, and more!!
December 01, 2019
Melaura Tomaino on Crisis Prevention (Part 2)
In the second part of this two part series, Dr. Tomaino joins us to discuss crisis prevention. In discussions with Tomaino, listeners will learn the importance of prevention and the role of interdisciplinary collaboration. For more info, check out
November 27, 2019
Edward Miguel on Crisis Prevention (Part 1)
In the first part of this two part podcast, Dr. Edward Miguel talks about crisis prevention, specifically on shifting the mindset on physical intervention. Miguel notes that must first start with the belief that every individual has the right to a therapeutic learning environment. For more information, check out
November 26, 2019
Kim Wolff on Consultation
In this episode, Dr. Kelly sits down with Kim Wolff, a Board Certified Behavior Analyst who has experience working in Boston, Korea, Kentucky, Hawai’i, and Ohio. Kim and Dr. Kelly discuss the basics of beginning the consultative process with families. For more information visit
November 21, 2019
Lara Bollinger’s back: Updates from Law School
We welcome back guest speaker, Lara Bollinger for a second episode and an update on law school. Lara is Licensed as a Behavior Analyst in Hawai’i and Virginia and is currently enrolled in law school. Lara shares with listeners her trials and tribulations and explains how being a behavior analyst has both helped and hindered her on this journey. To learn more visit
November 14, 2019
Christine Almeida on ABA and Public Preschools
In this episode, Christine Almeida discusses ABA and Public Preschools. Christine describes the supports and services she oversees in public school in Newton, Massachusetts. In addition, Christine spends some time discussing how to assess and teach social skills in early learners. To learn more, check out this book “Socially Savvy”, which Christine co-authored.
November 12, 2019
Tyra Sellers on Supervision & Stopping to Smell the Roses
In this episode, Dr. Tyra Sellers joins Dr. Kelly to discuss supervision in behavior analysis. Sellers addresses topics such as what we mean by supervision and who needs a supervisor, as well as, what a supervisor needs to know how to do, which includes approaching the relationship with compassion and competence. Sellers also shares her personal passion for nature and the benefits to stopping to smell the roses (or any flower for that matter). To learn more about behavior analysis, supervision, and related topics, visit
November 03, 2019
ABA and the Earth
In this episode, Dr. Kelly looks at science and sustainability. Inspiring us to take what we know about behavior change to make the world a better place. Learn more at
October 29, 2019
Elizabeth Drago on ABA in New York
Elizabeth joins Dr. Kelly to discuss the current restrictions for behavior analysts practicing in New York. Without a revision to current legislation, behavior analysts will continue to be limited to working exclusively with those on the autism spectrum, which is not what the law intended. Learn more at
October 23, 2019
Lara Bollinger on Life as a BCBA In Law School
This episode features a guest speaker, Lara Bollinger. Lara is a BCBA with experience working in Massachusetts, Hawai’i, and Virginia. She is currently Licensed as a Behavior Analyst in Hawai’i and Virginia. She is also currently enrolled in law school. Lara shares with listeners why she decided to go to law school and what she hopes to do with her additional degree. To learn more visit
October 10, 2019
Top 10 Tips for Teachers
Behavior management in the classroom is a skill that takes years to develop. In this episode, Dr. Kelly will review her top 10 tips for Teachers, based on her experiences as a teacher and behavior analyst. For more information visit
September 29, 2019
Behaviorbabe on Accruing Continuing Education Units (CEU)
In this episode Dr. Kelly describes the seven different qualifying categories continuing education for behavior analysts. Dr. Kelly shares her total number of CEUs from her latest 2 year certification cycle, as well a breakdown on the number of CEUs accrued per category. For more information please visit This episode is not affiliated or endorsed by the BACB.
September 08, 2019
How to Get ABA on Your IEP
In this episode, Dr. Kelly discusses some federal laws and protections afforded for students with behavioral needs. Dr. Kelly provides information and insights based on her experiences as a licensed behavior analyst and licensed elementary educator. Please note nothing in this podcast should be viewed as legal advice. Dr. Kelly is a kickass behavior analyst, but definitely not a lawyer. We repeat, Dr. Kelly is not a lawyer. To learn more visit
July 07, 2019