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A Bit More Complicated

A Bit More Complicated

By Dylan Selterman and Manuel Galvan

Two psychologists interview experts on topics, issues, and problems in society, and what we can do to make them better. Hosts are Manuel Galvan and Dylan Selterman.
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Episode 1 - With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemies? with Will Blakey

A Bit More ComplicatedFeb 23, 2022

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Episode 33 - Hidden Tribes & Political Polarization with Daniel Yudkin
Mar 14, 202401:11:54
Episode 32 - Interviewing Manny about Health and Socioeconomic Status

Episode 32 - Interviewing Manny about Health and Socioeconomic Status

In this episode Dylan interviews Manny about his first first-author paper! The paper investigates how people’s socioeconomic status relates to health (it’s a bit more complicated!).


  1. Manny’s paper (not pay walled!): ⁠https://academic.oup.com/abm/article/57/11/929/7281567⁠
  2. Kraus episode: https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/29DVydMRzGb
  3. Muscatell episode: https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/p6g2VKPRzGb
  4. Why does everyone think they are middle class (not pay-walled!)? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550620934597
  5. Robert Sapolsky writes about health and social hierarchy in primates: https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.1106477?casa_token=IpGOTg0oFBwAAAAA%3AX3ig2zog-8VbsVcjnw6Cx_xzupulg4Xf4p-Te35XBdwvnY9Mk6EQZhVj8rCV1Bycb6t2535Bpfc9Fw
  6. Marmot writes about health inequality and decision latitude: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1674771/
  7. Peter Ennes write about how the rich generally determine the political decisions in the US: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=bM8fEAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT5&dq=info:nOJ4vybD5BoJ:scholar.google.com&ots=_snYeRC9S4&sig=XZCZYUofAmyMZArXoYdtNXlHAU4#v=onepage&q&f=false
  8. GINI coefficient (a measure of inequality) among countries that are similar to the US: https://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm
  9. Wage inequality is lower in worker cooperatives compared to traditional firms: https://ejce.liuc.it/18242979201702/182429792017140207.pdf
  10. Direct democracy initiatives support well being: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11205-015-1085-4
  11. Age and voting behavior: https://medium.com/@PollsAndVotes/age-and-voter-turnout-52962b0884ef
Jan 22, 202444:04
Episode 31 - Restorative Justice For Sexual Misconduct with Dr. David Karp
Nov 27, 202355:33
Episode 30.5 - An Addendum to Helping Young People With Gender Dysphoria

Episode 30.5 - An Addendum to Helping Young People With Gender Dysphoria

As Manny mentioned at the top of our previous episode (#30) featuring Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper, we continued the conversation a bit to discuss some topics related to gender dysphoric youth, as well as societal attitudes/prejudice towards transgender individuals. Manny and Dylan discuss how we can interpret polling data and what schools should do to support gender diverse students (and their parents).


Support for sex change goes down: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/support-national-centre-for-social-research-ehrc-bsa-great-britain-b2415501.html

Prejudice against Trans people goes up: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-report-tells-us-how-public-actually-feel-about-trans-people

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/attitudes-transgender-people

https://news.stv.tv/world/support-for-self-id-on-birth-certificates-for-transgender-people-falls-survey#:~:text=Looking%20at%20how%20attitudes%20have,in%202019%20to%206.4%25%20last

Olympics: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/nbc-out-proud/olympic-champion-quinn-ushering-new-era-visibility-trans-athletes-rcna28794

UK laws: https://www.scottishtrans.org/our-work/gender-recognition-act-reform-2022/what-is-the-gender-recognition-act/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40709420

Trans people in sports: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/29/sports-trans-participation-transgender-women-swimming#:~:text=one%20of%20them.-,Misinformation%20is%20being%20used%20as%20a%20core%20element%20of%20this,drastically%20underrepresented%20in%20women's%20sports.

Trans people in prisons: 

https://aninjusticemag.com/are-50-of-trans-women-in-prison-sex-offenders-512f949c365a

They/Them video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ehrFk-gLk&ab_channel=TomScott

LGBT hate crimes: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-data-rise-hate-crime-against-lgbtq-people-continues-stonewall-slams-uk-gov-

Hate crimes in general: https://www.apa.org/topics/gun-violence-crime/hate-crimes

https://fairforall.substack.com/p/fair-news-standing-for-parents-constitutional

Gallup Polling on LGBTQ identity

Oct 27, 202347:19
Episode 30 - Helping Young People Who Experience Gender Dysphoria with Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper

Episode 30 - Helping Young People Who Experience Gender Dysphoria with Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper, a pioneer in our understanding of youth gender transition. Dr. Edwards-Leeper is a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in gender and Professor Emerita of the School of Graduate Psychology at Pacific University in Oregon. She works with gender diverse and transgender children, adolescents and adults. Dr. Edwards-Leeper was a member of the American Psychological Association Task Force that developed practice guidelines for working with trans individuals. She was the past Chair of the Child and Adolescent Committee for the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and was involved in the WPATH Standards of Care (SOC) 8 revision. Dr. Edwards-Leeper is credited as a pioneer in the field of youth gender medicine in the United States, having served as the founding psychologist at the first pediatric gender clinic in the country, at Boston Children’s Hospital, which helped bring medical transition options for minors starting in the mid 2000s. We are especially grateful to Laura for her patience with us during a recording mishap.

Oct 18, 202301:10:30
Episode 29 - Psychology’s Greatest Hits with Paul Bloom

Episode 29 - Psychology’s Greatest Hits with Paul Bloom

We're back! We're kicking off a new season of episodes with an interview with Dr. Paul Bloom to discuss his new book Psych. We discuss science communication, the limits and value of psychology, whether researchers should be siloed in academia, the problem with empathy, if kids are little bigots, and if social psychology isn't paying enough attention to policy.

Psych: The Story of The Human Mind

Paul’s webpage (with links to other books), Substack “Small Potatoes” and Twitter

Research cited by Kiley Hamlin and Karen Wynn: 

Hamlin, J. K., & Wynn, K. (2011). Young infants prefer prosocial to antisocial others. Cognitive development, 26(1), 30-39.

Hamlin, J. K., Mahajan, N., Liberman, Z., & Wynn, K. (2013). Not like me = bad: Infants prefer those who harm dissimilar others. Psychological science, 24(4), 589-594.


Oct 04, 202357:15
Episode 28 - Interviewing Dylan About Romantic Infidelity in Ashley Madison Users
Jul 03, 202357:25
Episode 27 - Mindful Self-Compassion In The Workplace with Dr. Remy Jennings and Janine Johnston
Jun 18, 202351:18
Episode 26 - Discussing Trans Healthcare with Dr. Erica Anderson

Episode 26 - Discussing Trans Healthcare with Dr. Erica Anderson

In this episode we have a discussion with Dr. Erica Anderson about the consensus (and lack thereof) within the trans healthcare community. Topics include: conservative anti-trans legislation, ROGD, desistence, affirmative care vs explorative therapy, trans healthcare in Europe, and the ethics of debating trans healthcare in the popular press.

Sources:

  • WPATH statement opposing discussion in the lay press: https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2021/Joint%20WPATH%20USPATH%20Letter%20Dated%20Oct%2012%202021.pdf
  • ROGD leaked out of academia and was used to oppose trans healthcare: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/08/18/1057135/transgender-contagion-gender-dysphoria/
  • Steensma research: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21216800/
  • An academic critique of the Steensma research: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2018.1456390?src=recsys
  • Texas anti-trans law: https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/texas-senate-passes-sweeping-ban-to-prohibit-trans-youth-and-adults-from-receiving-necessary-medical-care
  • 500+ anti-trans bills: https://translegislation.com/


Jun 05, 202301:19:33
Episode 25 - Social Media and Mental Health with Dr. Chris Ferguson
May 21, 202359:38
Episode 24 - Reducing inequality by increasing belonging with Dr. Greg Walton

Episode 24 - Reducing inequality by increasing belonging with Dr. Greg Walton

In this episode, we interview Stanford psychology professor, Dr. Greg Walton. We discuss:

  • The successful ways that Greg has used "wise interventions" to address social problems like educational inequalities.
  • The importance of social belonging and how feelings of belonging uncertainty can create a downward spiral.
  • Most importantly: Greg's new paper in Science! We focus on what the social belonging intervention is, why it worked, how the effects are influenced by the social context, how universities can learn from the intervention, and how many more students would graduate if the intervention was used at more institutions!

Citations:

  • Where and with whom does a brief social-belonging intervention promote progress in college?: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade4420
  • A brief intervention to improve college success and equity (companion perspectives piece to the Science article): https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adh7681?intcmp=trendmd-sci
  • A question of belonging: Race, social fit, and achievement. https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0022-3514.92.1.82
  • A Brief Social-Belonging Intervention Improves Academic and Health Outcomes of Minority Students: https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1198364
  • Social-Psychological Interventions in Education : They're Not Magic https://umaine.edu/provost/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2018/11/Social-Psychological-Interventions-in-Education-Theyre-Not-Magic-Yeager-Walton.pdf
  • Wise interventions: Psychological remedies for social and personal problems. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-49648-001
  • Seed and Soil: Psychological Affordances in Contexts Help to Explain Where Wise Interventions Succeed or Fail: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0963721420904453


Find the intervention materials here: https://collegetransitioncollaborative.org/resources/



May 05, 202349:01
Episode 23 - An Introduction to Trans Healthcare with Dr. Quinnehtukqut McLamore

Episode 23 - An Introduction to Trans Healthcare with Dr. Quinnehtukqut McLamore

In this episode of the podcast we take a crash course on transgender identity and terminology, statistics on transition and stigma (and associated mental health issues) within the trans community, transition in adults and kids, gender-affirming care, and the difficulties faced by trans individuals who engage with the medical system to get care. Dr. McLamore is bursting at the seams with knowledge on the topic, so there are more citations than usual. We had a much longer conversation than we could publish, but please read their writing in Aeon for more info.

Apr 24, 202351:35
Episode 22 - Mental Health Stigma with Andrew Devendorf

Episode 22 - Mental Health Stigma with Andrew Devendorf

Apr 09, 202353:11
Episode 21 - Analyzing Anti-Woke Research with Dr. Beth Livingston
Mar 27, 202301:01:55
Episode 20 - Experimental History with Dr. Adam Mastroianni
Mar 12, 202301:21:02
Episode 19 - The Mistreatment of Dr. Steven Roberts at PoPS

Episode 19 - The Mistreatment of Dr. Steven Roberts at PoPS

In this episode, we discuss the high profile case of Steven Robert's mistreatment at Perspective on Psychological Science (PoPS). We recorded an interesting and productive discussion with Steven, but he decided against publication of our conversation with him. We thought this topic was too important to not do an episode on, so we recorded our thoughts on the subject without Steven. 

The episode includes: Steven's post-PoPS experiences (that he said we could share with the audience), our thoughts on the 2020 paper, our thoughts on his treatment at PoPS, and finally what we think about the academic critiques he received.  

  1. Steven Roberts 2020 paper: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1745691620927709
  2. Steven Roberts pre-print commentary outlining his experience at PoPS: https://psyarxiv.com/xk4yu
  3. Hommels critique: https://psyarxiv.com/hvgrm/
  4. Stanovich’s commentary: http://keithstanovich.com/Site/Essays_files/Stanovich_Commentary_on_Hommel.pdf
  5. Stroebe’s commentary: https://psyarxiv.com/prj36/
  6. Jussim’s commentary: https://sites.rutgers.edu/lee-jussim/wp-content/uploads/sites/135/2022/12/Diversity-of-Diversity-Jussim-accepted-revised-double-spaced-2.0.pdf
  7. Jussim’s blog: https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/notes-from-a-witch-hunt
  8. One of the field experiments showing discrimination in academia: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-15680-001
  9. Meta-analysis of hiring discrimination studies: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1706255114
  10. Meta-analysis of housing discrimination studies: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2018.1489223
  11. Study showing that URM scholars often have prosocial goals in their research:
  12. Manny’s article about the psychological roots of racism: https://www.thepipettepen.com/rejecting-the-roots-of-racist-research/
  13. Letter in support of Steven Roberts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O212esQJDYVuiuvN3OQLg7YOD58PbhlmFjfYV3nREU4/mobilebasic
  14. Counter-letter: https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/invitation-to-sign-letter-protesting
Feb 26, 202301:28:38
Episode 18 - Parental Alienation with Dr. Jennifer Harman
Jan 22, 202301:23:44
Episode 17 - Complicating Body Positivity with Dr. Kalynda Smith
Dec 16, 202258:28
Episode 16 - A Spirited Discussion About Anti-Racism with Dr. Erec Smith
Dec 02, 202201:33:12
Episode 15 - Learning from History (with Psychology!) with Dr. Gerald Higginbotham

Episode 15 - Learning from History (with Psychology!) with Dr. Gerald Higginbotham

We discuss Dr. Higginbotham's interesting approach to psychological research: using history as a guide. Specifically we discuss his paper which found that racially resentful White Americans were less supportive of gun rights when Black (vs. White) Americans showed greater use of their gun rights. The studies results harken back to how gun control legislation (Mulford Act of 1967) was used to undermine the gun rights of The Black Panther Party in California.

  1. Social Psychological Research on Racism and the Importance of Historical Context: Implications for Policy: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/09637214221114092
  2. When an irresistible prejudice meets immovable politics: Black legal gun ownership undermines racially resentful White Americans’ gun rights advocacy: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2022-88684-001?doi=1
  3. Dr. Trawalter’s article on “psychologizing racism”: https://virginiaequitycenter.org/sites/virginiaequitycenter.org/files/Trawalter%2C%20Bart-Plange%2C%20%26%20Hoffman.pdf
  4. Twitter people being stupid about the NFL: https://twitter.com/GadSaad/status/1593422136101814272
  5. Interest in purchasing firearms in the United States at the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2022-22091-001
  6. From Backlash to Inclusion for All: Instituting Diversity Efforts to Maximize Benefits Across Group Lines: https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/sipr.12040
  7. Dr. Higginbotham’s paper on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/xavkog/new_research_shows_racially_resentful_white/
Nov 19, 202256:13
Episode 14 - Choosing Growth with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman
Nov 02, 202201:13:38
Episode 13 - How Inequality Gets Under the Skin with Dr. Keely Muscatell
Oct 20, 202252:60
Episode 12 - Are Conservatives More Likely to Believe Conspiracy Theories? with Dr. Adam Enders
Oct 05, 202252:00
Episode 11 - How We Think About Racial Inequality with Dr. Michael Kraus
Sep 20, 202246:29
Episode 9.5 - Revisiting Abortion and the Turnaway Study
Aug 31, 202253:11
Episode 10 - When Politics Predicts Mortality with Dr. Haider Warraich

Episode 10 - When Politics Predicts Mortality with Dr. Haider Warraich

In this episode, Manny and Dylan speak with Dr. Haider Warraich about one of his recent publications on voting behavior and mortality rates in counties across the USA. His research found that overall, American mortality rate is going down (which is a good thing–we’re living longer!) but that the rate of mortality rate decline is higher in Democratic counties than in Republican counties. Manny suggests that there are policy implications from this research. Dr. Warraich suggests that at least part of this can be explained by norms for health and medicine diverging in different parts of the country. We can clearly see this happening now in terms of the Democratic and Republican voters’ response to COVID-19.

Image by Milos Duskic from Pixabay

Aug 02, 202201:01:45
Episode 9 - Abortion and Mental Health with Dr. Julia Steinberg
Jul 05, 202225:01
Episode 7.5 - False Polarization & Sex-Ed (addendum)
Jun 30, 202215:43
Episode 8 - Abortion attitudes beyond Roe v. Wade with Dr. Kristen Jozkowski

Episode 8 - Abortion attitudes beyond Roe v. Wade with Dr. Kristen Jozkowski

In the wake of the leaded Supreme Court decision to essentially overturn Roe v. Wade, we decided to do an episode on the science of abortion attitudes. Manny and Dylan discuss Americans’ attitudes towards abortion with Dr. Kristen Jozkowski, who is the William L. Yarber Endowed Professor in Sexual Health at Indiana University Bloomington. She has written extensively on the topic of public opinions on abortion. As with all of the topics we cover, abortion attitudes are complicated!

Find out more about Dr. Jozkowski’s research at @IU_DAMSS_team & @KMJozkowski

Jun 17, 202239:56
Episode 7 - The Birds And The Bees with Dr. Kristen Mark
Jun 01, 202248:31
Episode 6 - What's Up With Horseshoe Theory? with Dr. Jake Womick and Tom Costello
May 09, 202201:22:15
Episode 5 - All We Have To Do Is Dream Dream Dream with Dr. Dylan Selterman!
Apr 13, 202257:07
Episode 4 - A Deep Dive Into the Ukraine-Russia War with Dr. Nicole Ford (Part 2)

Episode 4 - A Deep Dive Into the Ukraine-Russia War with Dr. Nicole Ford (Part 2)

The conclusion of our interview with Dr. Nicolè Ford on the war between Ukraine and Russia. If you haven't yet, listen to Part 1 of this interview first (Ep. 3). 

Dr. Nicolè Ford’s webpage& Twitter

Dr. Ford’s recent article

Dr. Sam Greene’s twitter thread on EU & article

Peer reviewed pub by Kari Roberts on NATO & Crimea invasion

Interview w John Mearsheimer about Putin’s aggression

Article by Stephen Walt for the role of NATO

Article by Seva Gunitsky against the focus on NATO

Peer reviewed pub by Kimberly Marten: NATO’s role is overblown

Reporting on Zelensky forgoing NATO membership to avoid war

Reporting about Azov battalion

Twitter thread: racist language from reporters on Ukrainian war

Article describing why sanctions fail.

Article arguing sanctions may push Russian elites closer to Putin.

Photo of Zelensky and Trump

Dr. Ford’s partially annotated bibliography/reading listfor Russia’s War on Ukraine

Peer reviewed pub by Keating et al. (2019) that Russia wield “Conservative soft power”

News coverage of the Christian Right’s support for Russia here and here

Cover art image by ChiaJo from Pixabay

Mar 29, 202237:15
Episode 3 - A Deep Dive Into the Ukraine-Russia War with Dr. Nicole Ford (Part 1)

Episode 3 - A Deep Dive Into the Ukraine-Russia War with Dr. Nicole Ford (Part 1)

In this episode, Manny and Dylan interview Dr. Nicolè Ford, who holds a Ph.D. in political science and whose specific area of expertise is on Ukraine and Russia. In the episode, we dive into a deep understanding of this horrible war. Dr. Ford schools us on the historical context, NATO, Putin’s ambitions, and more. We really appreciate Dr. Ford’s knowledge and insight into this topic.

Dr. Nicolè Ford’s webpage & Twitter

Dr. Ford’s recent article

Dr. Sam Greene’s twitter thread on EU & article

Peer reviewed pub by Kari Roberts on NATO & Crimea invasion

Interview w John Mearsheimer about Putin’s aggression

Article by Stephen Walt for the role of NATO

Article by Seva Gunitsky against the focus on NATO

Peer reviewed pub by Kimberly Marten: NATO’s role is overblown

Reporting on Zelensky forgoing NATO membership to avoid war

Reporting about Azov battalion

Twitter thread: racist language from reporters on Ukrainian war

Article describing why sanctions fail.

Article arguing sanctions may push Russian elites closer to Putin.

Photo of Zelensky and Trump

Dr. Ford’s partially annotated bibliography/reading list for Russia’s War on Ukraine

Peer reviewed pub by Keating et al. (2019) that Russia wield “Conservative soft power”

News coverage of the Christian Right’s support for Russia here and here

Cover art image by ChiaJo from Pixabay

Mar 28, 202249:11
Episode 2 - Kudos to Kraus: On Tenure and Inequality

Episode 2 - Kudos to Kraus: On Tenure and Inequality

In this episode, Manny and Dylan talk about a recent high-profile tenure decision involving Michael Kraus, a psychologist and Associate Professor at the Yale School of Management. Do Ivy League schools promote from within? Are tenure decisions based on merit, or based on ideological preferences of senior faculty? Then, we highlight some of Kraus’s influential research, and specifically do a deep dive into some papers he’s published on the psychology of inequality.

Also mentioned in the episode: Dylan’s NPR interview about the science of dreams, Dylan’s Heterodox Academy interview about education and learning, and Manny’s Master’s Thesis.

  • http://www.michaelwkraus.com/
  • Michal Kraus’s publication record
  • 2016 review of Yale’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences Tenure Appointment Policy
  • 25 Ways to Reduce the Cost of College - Center for College Affordability and Productivity
  • Norton, M. I., & Ariely, D. (2011). Building a Better America—One Wealth Quintile at a Time. Perspectives on Psychological Science, 6(1), 9–12. 
  • Kraus, M. W., & Tan, J. J. (2015). Americans overestimate social class mobility. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 58, 101-111. 
  • Kraus, M. W., Rucker, J. M., & Richeson, J. A. (2017). Americans misperceive racial economic equality. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 114(39), 10324-10331. 
  • Tan, J. J., Kraus, M. W., Carpenter, N. C., & Adler, N. E. (2020). The association between objective and subjective socioeconomic status and subjective well-being: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, 146(11), 970. 
  • Recent op-ed by Kraus in LA Times about perceptions of inequality
  • Photo by DS stories from Pexels
Mar 13, 202248:45
Episode 1 - With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemies? with Will Blakey

Episode 1 - With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemies? with Will Blakey

[UPDATED AUDIO] In this episode, Manny and Dylan chat with Will Blakey, a post-bac researcher at UNC. Will, along with social psychologist Kurt Gray, recently published a Substack article about our changing perceptions of evil in the world, and a psychological phenomenon known as “concept creep.” Why do we see more villains in the world now compared to 30 years ago?

Notes:

  • Will and Kurt’s Substack article.
  • Haslam (2016) Concept Creep: Psychology's Expanding Concepts of Harm and Pathology, Psychological Inquiry, 27:1, 1-17
  • Haslam et al. (2021) Concept Creep and Psychiatrization. Frontiers in Sociology.
  • Concept Creep example #1 and example #2.
  • Gray & Wegner (2012). Morality takes two: Dyadic morality and mind perception.
  • Pinker (2011): The Better Angels of Our Nature.
  • Ferguson (2009): Pinker's List: Exaggerating Prehistoric War Mortality
  • The Progress Paradox
Feb 23, 202201:16:07
A Bit More Complicated (trailer)

A Bit More Complicated (trailer)

Manny and Dylan launch a podcast! Here is a brief introduction to the podcast.

Feb 15, 202205:22