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This Must Be Pop

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Connecting with a pop group when we're young is often one of the most defining moments of our lives, but why are we so afraid to talk about it? This podcast is devoted to exploring the importance of pop music, including the music of boybands. It’s also a critique of society looking down on music many genuinely enjoy. Fans of boybands (consisting of mostly women and LGBTQ+ folk) often feel a stigma if they express their admiration for certain groups. Additionally, despite their talent & popularity, no modern boyband has won a Grammy. We explore all this on This Must Be Pop.
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Hanson: From Teen Pop Sensations to 20+ Years of Independent Music (ft. Lia from "The Ashlee & Jessicast")

This Must Be PopMay 10, 2024

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Hanson: From Teen Pop Sensations to 20+ Years of Independent Music (ft. Lia from "The Ashlee & Jessicast")

Hanson: From Teen Pop Sensations to 20+ Years of Independent Music (ft. Lia from "The Ashlee & Jessicast")

Just in time for Hanson Day 2024! Ana is joined by Lia from The Ashlee and Jessicast to discuss Hanson. We discuss if Hanson is considered a boyband, as well as get into Lia's fan origin story and dive a bit into most of their discography. We also discuss how awesome the Hanson fandom is!

May 10, 202401:31:10
Liam Payne "Teardrops" | Breaking Down the Multi-Generational Boyband Collab & the Parallels with JC Chasez [ft. Eryn Cooper]

Liam Payne "Teardrops" | Breaking Down the Multi-Generational Boyband Collab & the Parallels with JC Chasez [ft. Eryn Cooper]

Ana is joined by Eryn Cooper (radio personality, music journalist, and self-proclaimed professional fangirl) where they break down the AMAZING multi-generational boyband collab to rule them all: Liam Payne's new song "Teardrops. They discuss how Liam's career, both in 1D and as a solo artist, has been very similar to another boybander: *NSYNC's JC Chasez, who coincidentally worked with Liam on "Teardrops" as a co-writer and 'background' vocalist.


Follow Eryn on all the socials @onairwitheryn

Mar 04, 202401:02:44
Aaron Carter: Remembering His Music & Legacy

Aaron Carter: Remembering His Music & Legacy

This week marks the one year anniversary of Aaron Carter’s passing. Aaron’s legacy within music and pop culture is often overlooked, but it certainly deserves recognition and is insanely important. In this special episode honoring Aaron, we discuss him and his music and legacy, complex and layered as it was, with two friends of the pod Ali and Cali.

Ali's portion was recorded a year ago only days after Aaron’s passing, so at the time it was obviously fresh on our minds. That portion of our conversation was never released until now.

A majority of this episode was done recently on the anniversary of his passing with another friend-of-the-pod: Cali, who had a personal relationship with Aaron.

We hope you enjoy this honest and insightful episode, honoring the life of Aaron Carter: the musician and human being. A special thank you to both Ali and Cali for their time, honesty, and respect of the topic of Aaron. May he rest in peace. 

Please be aware that there are some sensitive topics touched upon in this episode regarding mental health, addiction and trauma. 


It’s also important to note that this episode will NOT nor EVER be monetized. Too many people tried to, and are still trying to, profit off of his name and we absolutely are against doing anything like that.

Nov 07, 202301:03:33
BSB, Taylor Swift & Boy Band Mismanagement [ft. Kelli Williams]

BSB, Taylor Swift & Boy Band Mismanagement [ft. Kelli Williams]

Ana and Lizzie are joined by very special guest and fellow podcaster Kelli Williams (@laguna_biotch) to discuss her music journey with artists such as the Backstreet Boys, Taylor Swift, Aaron Carter and LFO and how bands like BSB are such a huge part of her relationship with her mother.

We also get into a more serious discussion surrounding "the dark side of boybands" aka bad managers taking advantage of boyband members, and how we as a society still have trouble with taking allegations seriously from young men (poor working conditions, financial mismanagement, and sexual assault, etc.)

Sep 24, 202344:13
Pop2000 Recap [OTown, LFO, BBMak, Chris Kirkpatrick] & JC Chasez Update

Pop2000 Recap [OTown, LFO, BBMak, Chris Kirkpatrick] & JC Chasez Update

Friend-of-the-pod Sasha is back! Ana and Sasha discuss the experience going to the Pop2000 show on July 15, 2023 in Webster, MA. Before the Pop2k discussion, we recap all things JC-related in the past year and answer your lingering questions from the JC series.


Timestamps:

- Intro and Listener Q&A: 00:00

- JC Updates: 7:50

-Pop2000 Recap: 19:19

Sep 07, 202301:06:11
EMERGENCY EPISODE! *NSYNC Reunion

EMERGENCY EPISODE! *NSYNC Reunion

Several news outlets have reported that *NSYNC has recorded a song together, the first time in over 20 years for the upcoming "Trolls" movie. Ana is joined by friend-of-the-pod and *NSYNC fan Sasha to discuss initial thoughts and speculation, and what the potential is to come.
PLEASE NOTE: *NSYNC, the individual members, nor their team has confirmed this. Because this is a song associated with a film, the lack of confirmation from the *NSYNC team is most likely due to the WGA/SAG strike which currently prevents members from promoting work associated with union studios. We stand with WGA and SAG and hope they come to a resolution for fair wages and treatment. Also, we do not know if this recording will lead to a show/tour, residency/etc, all conversation surrounding a hypothetical tour or residency is merely just us speculating.
Aug 19, 202309:32
CLAPBACK: "Your Favorite Band Sucks" *NSYNC Episode & Debunking Bad Music Journalism | ft. "When They Popped" podcast

CLAPBACK: "Your Favorite Band Sucks" *NSYNC Episode & Debunking Bad Music Journalism | ft. "When They Popped" podcast

Ana & Lizzie are joined by fellow podcasters Mary & Kelsey from the "When They Popped" podcast: What do you get when music journalists don't do any research and they make a podcast episode rooted in a misunderstanding of pop music, youth culture, and the tastes of many women and queer folks? You get the podcast "Your Favorite Band Sucks"; specifically, their most recent episode they did on *NSYNC. (The fact one *NSYNC fan was able to bring on three BSB fans on this episode should tell you how hard "Your Favorite Band Sucks" was on *NSYNC!) Listen to "Your Favorite Band Sucks - *NSYNC" on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3GMB2FNwAD9AlyqTwT2Q7X?si=59e8f8ffddaa4826
May 25, 202301:29:38
Harry Styles | Part 2: Discography [HS1 to Harry's House]

Harry Styles | Part 2: Discography [HS1 to Harry's House]

Ana, Lizzie and Hallie continue their (postponed many times) discussion on Harry Styles' discography of his self-titled debut album (aka HS1), Fine Line, and finally, Harry's House. They break down some lyrics, melody, and overall feel of each album.


May 09, 202301:25:25
Jonas Brothers | Part 2: Music Analysis from "It's About Time" to "Lines, Vines and Trying Times"

Jonas Brothers | Part 2: Music Analysis from "It's About Time" to "Lines, Vines and Trying Times"

Ana continues her conversation with her cousins and discusses the discography of the Jonas Brothers. From their first album "It's About Time" to "Lines Vines and Trying Times".

**Part 3 of our Jonas Brothers will be released in May after the release of "The Album".


Referenced Links:

- Desmond Child Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6zX7A4EFodzbuTWBLKc5rq?si=38ab337b1134444c

- Nicholas Jonas "When You Look Me In the Eyes" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWFUazmTNGQ

Apr 06, 202352:39
Jonas Brothers | Part 1: Fangirl Origin Stories, Fangirl Dads & "The Family Band"

Jonas Brothers | Part 1: Fangirl Origin Stories, Fangirl Dads & "The Family Band"

Ana is joined by her two cousins: Jackie and Jocie, arguably the biggest Jonas Brothers fans in the world. In the first part of a three-part series, they discuss their origin stories of becoming Jonas Brothers fans, concerts they've attended and experiences they've had. Because the Jonas Brothers pride themselves as a family-oriented band, we discuss our own family's music journey, coming from a 'fangirl family' and our own fangirl-isms.

This episode is dedicated to the dads of fangirls, including our own.

Discussed Videos:

- Jonas Brothers LIVE from TD Garden in Boston broadcasting to the 2019 American Music Awards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EFruyShvI

- Jonas Brothers perform ‘Year 3000’ with Busted Live at Capital’s Summertime Ball 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEERYu22tb8

- Nick Jonas performs "Jealous" gospel version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMb_cBv3iks

Mar 23, 202351:07
Boy Band Music, Underlicks & Hanson [ft. Logan Grimé, ViB3 MACHiNE]

Boy Band Music, Underlicks & Hanson [ft. Logan Grimé, ViB3 MACHiNE]

Logan Grimé is a songwriter, producer, musician, as well as a Hanson fan and TikTok/Instagram creator. Logan talks with Ana about songwriting and producing and the importance of an "underlick" of a recording and why it matters. Also discussed is why we shouldn't let marketing and labels get in the way of liking and appreciating a catchy melody.
Follow Logan on Instagram, YouTube and TikTok @vib3.machine. Also check out Logan's "Underlick" songwriting class on Masterclass.
Click Here to listen to Logan's "Underlicks" playlist on Spotify.
Mar 09, 202349:59
Harry Styles | Pt. 1: The One Direction Member & "Love On Tour" Recap
Feb 15, 202301:08:02
Madame Daley talks One Direction & "Teenage Girls Made Rock & Roll"

Madame Daley talks One Direction & "Teenage Girls Made Rock & Roll"

Ana and Lizzie chat with Madison aka Madame Daley (basically our newest best friend). Madame Daley is a New York-based musician, songwriter, and singer of the female and LGBTQ+ group Madame Daley & the Starchild Band. She's the creator of our NEW theme song "Teenage Girls Made Rock & Roll". We talk about her boyband journey from *NSYNC to the Jonas Brothers, One Direction and the Rolling Stones. We also discuss the importance of women's stories and perspectives of being a fangirl. Listen to the full song "Teenage Girls Made Rock & Roll" on Spotify Follow @madamedaley on all the socials: TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube
Feb 01, 202332:31
Merry Christmas Happy Holidays | 2022 Recap
Dec 12, 202253:11
B is for Boybands & D is for Dream Street [ft. Ali Tierney, author "B is for Boybands"]
Nov 29, 202241:34
*NSYNC 3/5 Reunion and BSB DNA Tour Recap [ft. Marcus Monroe, comedian & boy band superfan]
Nov 11, 202240:21
Backstreet Boys | Pt. 2: Millennium to DNA

Backstreet Boys | Pt. 2: Millennium to DNA

PART 2 - Ana, Ceci and Lizzie discuss Backstreet Boys' albums and music from Millennium (1999) until the most recent album DNA (2022). We discuss the songwriters and producers who worked with them on songs on these albums as well as our own memories, stories and perspectives with the music.

References:

1.) Lisa Miskofsky - "Another Shape Of My Heart" 

  • Lisa was one of the songwriters on "Shape Of My Heart" and recorded and released her own version
  • Spotify Link: https://open.spotify.com/track/5DZ1SHJo5mFfjtV3g0iN6s

2.) Backstreet Boys - "Treat Me Right"

  • JC Chasez (*NSYNC) wrote this song with AJ McLean. It is also speculated JC is singing backing vocals on this song. "You're just no good for me / I know you're not good for me"
  • https://open.spotify.com/track/5SrSCFXjjn76bK13engFQr?si=77e4f02b28104dfd


Oct 24, 202259:25
Backstreet Boys | Pt. 1: Origins & US Debut Album

Backstreet Boys | Pt. 1: Origins & US Debut Album

OH MY GOD WE'RE BACK AGAIN! Ana, Ceci & Liz are BACK with Season 2 featuring a discussion on the Backstreet Boys. We get into our own personal experiences with the band, including our recent podcast field trip to BSB's DNA World Tour. We discuss all of the members, their relationship with Cheiron Studios in Sweden, and end with a deep dive into their debut album.

Links & References:

1. Show Em What You're Made Of - BSB's 2015 Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ6ppWv0sxA

2. This Is Pop - 2021 Docuseries, Netflix

Episode 3 - Stockholm Syndrome 


Oct 21, 202254:18
[BONUS] Backstreet Boys DNA Tour - Immediate Reactions

[BONUS] Backstreet Boys DNA Tour - Immediate Reactions

Ana and Lizzie provide their immediate reactions after attending the Backstreet Boys DNA show while waiting in post-show parking lot traffic.
Oct 19, 202204:51
JC Chasez, Britney Spears & the Music Industry [ft. James Rodriguez, host "The Original Doll"]

JC Chasez, Britney Spears & the Music Industry [ft. James Rodriguez, host "The Original Doll"]

Ana & Lizzie sit down with James Rodriguez (host, "The Original Doll" podcast) and discuss the music and cultural importance of pop music and boybands. We also get into JC Chasez's career as a solo artist, and the parallels of JC's story compared to Britney Spears' treatment by Jive records, specifically, the story about her never released "Original Doll" album.

Aug 15, 202201:08:20
JC Chasez | Pt. 2: The Solo Artist
Aug 08, 202201:28:28
JC Chasez | Pt. 1: The *NSYNC Member
Aug 07, 202243:04
One Direction | Pt. 2: Albums 2-5, Solo Careers, Queer Fans & the 1D Business

One Direction | Pt. 2: Albums 2-5, Solo Careers, Queer Fans & the 1D Business

Ana & Lizzie start Part 2 with discussing topics from Maria Sherman’s book “Larger Than Life”, including the business of One Direction and their professional relationship with 5 Seconds of Summer. We also talk about the Rainbow Direction and how 1D was most likely the first ever queer-friendly boyband, and how this benefitted them. We then get into a deep dive of their albums Midnight Memories, Take You Home, Four, and Made in the A.M.  Credit is given to how 1D re-defined so many boyband “rules”, including properly setting up every member for a successful solo career with the proper backing and support from their label and music industry (and yes we compare this to how JC Chasez and the rest of *NSYNC were treated) Don't forget to listen to Lizzie's Essential One Direction Spotify Playlist! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/13q5MfPxa3QNAxQcK4jxvM?si=a0186391a4d84812
Jul 23, 202201:13:55
One Direction | Pt. 1: Beginnings, Social Media & Up All Night Album

One Direction | Pt. 1: Beginnings, Social Media & Up All Night Album

Ana & Lizzie discuss Lizzie's all-time favorite boyband: One Direction. In the first part of the episode, Lizzie talks about her study abroad experience as an American in London during the beginning of One Direction's rise to success. We also analyze the influence (both positive and negative) that social media had on One Direction's career. We also discuss the specific vocal arrangement, style and abilities of each member, and then do a deep dive into their debut album Up All Night.  Also, check out Lizzie's Essential One Direction Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/13q5MfPxa3QNAxQcK4jxvM?si=a0186391a4d84812

Jul 23, 202251:50
*NSYNC | Pt. 2: No Strings Attached & Celebrity Albums

*NSYNC | Pt. 2: No Strings Attached & Celebrity Albums

PART 2 OF 2. Ana & Ceci are joined by friend Teena to break down the music and cultural influence of *NSYNC. In this episode, we discuss their albums "No Strings Attached", "Celebrity" and some of the songs from the "On the Line" soundtrack. *Warning: This episode leans VERY heavily on the musical abilities of JC Chasez, and also gives a lot of credit to the talents of Chris Kirkpatrick, Lance Bass, and Joey Fatone.  Links to noteworthy performances mentioned in the episode: "This I Promise You" - Atlantis Concert Performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Suye6DCJ0  "Digital Get Down" - Madison Square Garden Performance from HBO special [No Strings Attached Tour] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhcrVUFqCaI "Selfish" - Performance from the Pop Oddessy Tour [note how JC belts through a key change on the bridge of the song... INSANE!!!] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7NJXz8hzrk
Jul 05, 202249:16
*NSYNC | Pt. 1: Their Music & Influence

*NSYNC | Pt. 1: Their Music & Influence

PART 1 OF 2. Ana & Ceci are joined by friend Teena to break down the music and cultural influence of *NSYNC (Ana's favorite boyband). We start off discussing our *NSYNC origin stories as well as other pivotal moments in our lives associated with them; seeing them in concert,  waiting in line for their CDs, and watching their TV concert specials. We then do a deep dive into their self-titled 1998 album. *Warning: This episode leans VERY heavily on the musical abilities of JC Chasez, and also gives a lot of credit to the talents of Chris Kirkpatrick, Lance Bass, and Joey Fatone. NSYNC’s 2003 Bee Gees Medley: https://youtu.be/kDgh0Tlw5I8
Jul 02, 202259:01
Pop Sonnets of 1D, *NSYNC & BSB [ft. Erik Didriksen, author, "Pop Sonnets"]

Pop Sonnets of 1D, *NSYNC & BSB [ft. Erik Didriksen, author, "Pop Sonnets"]

Ana interviews Erik Didriksen. Erik is a musician, songwriter and author of the book "Pop Sonnets", a book where he takes modern pop songs and reimagines them as Shakespearean sonnets. Erik recites three of his sonnets converted from the following songs:

"I Want It That Way" by the Backstreet Boys
"Bye Bye Bye" by *NSYNC
"What Makes You Beautiful" by One Direction.

Ana and Erik analyze the lyrics and feelings the songs convey, and discuss how cheesy love poetry has been part of art for centuries. The topic of society not seeing the value in certain artforms is discussed (i.e. "high art" v. "low art") as well as comparing societal disdain for pop music as well as disco music and new jack swing; though all of those genres are important and influential. Lastly, the topic of pop punk bands from the late 90s/ early 2000s is also mentioned, answering the question once again if those bands are technically boybands.
Jun 16, 202238:46
A New Beginning: Meet the Hosts!

A New Beginning: Meet the Hosts!

Meet Ana, Ceci & Lizzie, the hosts of This Must Be Pop! Today's episode is dedicated to discussing our backgrounds and music journeys in relation to boybands and pop artists. We also talk about how pop music and boyband music guided us through our adolescence and teenage years as well as the societal stigma felt when liking a boyband. Check out our Spotify Playlist of songs we discussed during this episode: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7y70XdekJLUEIOLLnANcru?si=f29c0ff7c6044762 Bands discussed: *NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Boyz II Men, Hanson, One Direction, Jonas Brothers, 98 degrees, O-Town, the Moffatts as well as solo artists such as Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, and JC Chasez.
Jun 07, 202257:17
Boybands 101

Boybands 101

SPECIAL PREVIEW EPISODE Every decade spawns male vocal groups (i.e. "boybands") who capture the hearts and minds of their teen and pre-teen fans. This episode is setting the stage of our podcast by defining: What "pop music" means What a "boyband" means The history of boybands We also take the time to discuss what truly defines a boyband; why they are overlooked and why their cultural and societal impact is important to be discussed.  [Our hosts Ana & Lizzie are on this episode. Our other co-host Ceci, will be on the premiere episode.] Bands Mentioned: The Temptations, The Beatles, The Monkees, The Rolling Stones, The Jackson 5, The Osmonds, New Edition, Menudo, New Kids on the Block, Boyz II Men, Jodeci, Bell Biv DeVoe, Hanson, Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, 98 degrees, LFO, O-Town, Jonas Brothers, Big Time Rush, One Direction, 5 Seconds of Summer, The Wanted, BTS, Why Don't We
Jun 07, 202214:59