Brave, Not Perfect

Kelly Roberts

An episode of Brave, Not Perfect

By Brave Not Perfect
Get ready to leave "perfect" behind. Reshma Saujani, CEO and Founder of Girls Who Code, has run for office twice, and failed. But exercising her bravery muscle led her to start Girls Who Code, the nonprofit that has reached more than 90,000 girls with its computer education programs and message of sisterhood. Join Reshma on her mission to show that being brave, not perfect, is the secret to changing the world.

The Brave, Not Perfect Podcast brings you interviews with changemakers from all walks of life, with one thing in common. They decided it was better to be brave, not perfect.
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Yelitsa Jean-Charles
Yelitsa Jean-Charles is the Founder & Creative Director of Healthy Roots - a doll company focused on promoting positive self-perceptions in girls through dolls with varying shades of complexion and natural hair textures. She still suffers with imposter syndrome even after being honored by Essence Magazine as one of the 50 founders to watch in 2017, but she’s ready to take the world by storm. Listen in to hear Reshma and Yelitsa talk about colorism and the way that toys affect the way our kids see themselves. Follow Yelitsa’s journey on Twitter at @TheYelitsa.
December 5, 2018
Clemantine Wamariya
Clemantine Wamariya fled war-torn Rwanda with her older sister Claire in 1994, when she was just six years old. In 2018, she published the New York Times bestselling book The Girl Who Smiled Beads depicting her journey to America seeking refuge. This week, Reshma and Clemantine discuss the human side of war and the immense consequences of family separation. Follow her journey on Twitter and Instagram at @clemantine1, and learn more about her book at
November 28, 2018
Natalia Quintero
What’s holding women back from parity in finance? Natalia Quintero joins Reshma for a conversation on breaking up the boys club of investing, the importance of diversity in hiring, and why we’re most successful when we’re authentically ourselves. Follow Natalia’s journey at @NataliaZarina on Twitter!
November 21, 2018
Dre Thomas
Growing up in a single parent household and sharing basics like clothing, shoes, soap and underwear with her older siblings, Dre Thomas knew she wanted to make her life’s work about giving back to girls like her. At age 16, she came up with concept for Smile On Me - a community with the mission to awaken ever girl to her inner greatness by providing feminine hygiene products and workshops on self-esteem to girls in low-income communities. Tune in for a conversation about the importance of the little things in creating confidence in girls - and the importance of journaling and self care when working for others. Follow her work at and @SmileOnMeHQ on Instagram.
November 14, 2018
Yeshimabeit Milner
Data is powerful - and Yeshimabeit Milner, founder of Data for Black Lives, is using it to make a difference. Tune in for a conversation about the power of analysis in changing the way people think about issues like black infant mortality and the school to prison pipeline. Follow Yeshi’s journey on Twitter at @YESHICAN, and learn more about Yeshi’s work at
November 7, 2018
Tulsi Gabbard
Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is a politician, environmental advocate, veteran and a dedicated surfer - and she knows a thing or two about bravery. Tune in to hear Reshma and Tulsi discuss finding success in life through serving others, taking a stand for what is right, and practicing self care through yoga, meditation and surfing.
October 31, 2018
Liz Plank
Join Liz Plank and Reshma for a conversation that runs the gamut from toxic masculinity to Iceland to sexuality and the Kavanaugh hearings. Liz is a journalist with Vox media covering everything that’s wrong and weird and crazy in the U.S. right now - and an expert on the men’s issues coming out of the women’s movement. Follow her at @Feministabulous on Twitter and Instagram.
October 24, 2018
Robin Arzon
Tune in for something epic. This week, Reshma sits down with Robin Arzon, VP & Head Instructor at Peloton. She’s a bestselling author, ultramarathoner, cycling and treadmill instructor - oh, and a former lawyer. Hear about Robin’s journey from hostage crisis to legendary fitness pro and how bravery made all the difference. Follow Robin on Instagram and Twitter at @robinnyc.
October 17, 2018
Lizzo knows a thing or two about self care - and she knows the universe is looking out for her and her girls. In a special SISTERH>>D episode, tune in this week for a conversation between Reshma and hip hop vocalist and all-around inspiration, Lizzo. Keep up with Lizzo on Instagram at @lizzobeeating and on Twitter at @Lizzo.
October 10, 2018
Rebecca Traister
Get "Good and Mad" with bestselling feminist writer Rebecca Traister and Reshma on this week’s episode of Brave, Not Perfect. Tune in to hear Rebecca and Reshma talk about women’s anger in our current political moment, Brett Kavanaugh, and what it means to be taken seriously. Keep up with Rebecca on Twitter at @rtraister, and read her new book GOOD AND MAD: The Revolutionary Power of Women’s Anger.
October 3, 2018
Brave, Not Perfect returns October 3rd!
Ready to get inspired? We're back with all new interviews with Rebecca Traister, Clemantine Wamariya, Tulsi Gabbard and more! Leave the fear of failure behind - and join Reshma Saujani on her Brave, Not Perfect journey. Keep up with us on social by following @ReshmaSaujani on Instagram and Twitter, and @BravePerfectPod on Twitter!
September 26, 2018
Rayouf Alhumedhi
Unless you were looking, you might have missed it - until 2017, hijabi women weren’t represented on the Emoji keyboard! Rayouf Alhumedhi was 15 when she realized it, and decided to do something. This week, she and Reshma talk about calling attention to important issues, making change, and experiencing imposter syndrome. (She’s 17 and already made an emoji a reality. She’s doing pretty well if you ask us!) Follow Rayouf on Twitter at @rayoufalh and Instagram at @rayoufalhumedhi.
July 4, 2018
Kelly Roberts
For Kelly Roberts, bravery is going for a run in her sports bra. Hear from She Can and She Did founder Kelly Roberts on how she is redefining what strength looks and feels like. This week, Reshma and Kelly discuss the body positivity movement and finding joy through difficulty. Join Kelly's #SportsBraSquad - she is documenting her Brave, Not Perfect journey on Twitter and Instagram at @KellyKKRoberts.
June 27, 2018
Cristina Jiménez Moreta
Cristina Moreta has been fighting for immigrant rights her whole life. Today, Reshma re-airs her conversation with Cristina - with additional commentary in light of recent, horrific, news from our border. As the co-founder and executive director of the advocacy group United We Dream, Moreta became one of the 24 recipients to receive a 2017 MacArthur Fellowship as an advocate for the rights of undocumented immigrants. Follow Cristina's work at @CrisAlexJimenez and @UNITEDWEDREAM. This episode first aired on March 9, 2018.
June 20, 2018
Ashley Edwards
Healing from the trauma of systemic oppression is hard - but Ashley Edwards is making it a possibility for youth of color in communities across the country with MindRight. MindRight gives kids a judgement-free space to talk through their lives and mental health with coaches who care. Hear Ashley and Reshma talk therapy, self care, and bravery on this episode of the Brave, Not Perfect Podcast. Follow Ashley's work at @TextMindRight
June 13, 2018
Natalia Ramirez
19 years old and undocumented in 2018 America - Natalia is as brave as they come. And she hasn’t let her status keep her from following her dreams. Tune in to hear Natalia talk about her documentary film, her activism, and how coding helps her stay positive. Watch her film at and follow them on Twitter at @breachdoc.
June 6, 2018
Lauren Foundos
She felt like one of the guys while trading on the Wall Street floor, but Lauren Foundos really found her strength when she left finance to start a fitness company, FORTË. Tune in this week as Reshma and Lauren talk bravery in leaving the past behind and making their immigrant families proud. You can find Lauren at @lfoundos on Twitter and Instagram.
May 30, 2018
Deepti Sharma
Starting a business and flying alone with her son for the first time - Deepti Sharma is exercising her bravery muscle in every aspect of her life. Tune into the Brave, Not Perfect Podcast to hear Reshma and Deepti talk about motherhood and the transition from politics to business. Follow Deepti's journey on Twitter at @deeptisharma1!
May 23, 2018
Allison Yarrow
Back in the 90s, Allison Yarrow slapped her friend across the face. This year, she wrote a book about the word that started it all: Bitch. Hear Reshma and Allison discuss media, culture, and gender equality in this episode of Brave, Not Perfect. Follow Allison on social media at @AliYarrow, and pre-order a copy of her new book, 90s Bitch: Media, Culture, and the Failed Promise of Gender Equality.
May 16, 2018
Amani Al-Khatahtbeh
After experiencing Islamaphobia and racism firsthand in a post-9/11 America, Amani Al-Khatahtbeh felt alone. At age 17, Amani created media site MuslimGirl, giving girls all over the English-speaking world a platform to share their experiences. Listen to her story, and follow her journey at @xoamani and @muslimgirl.
May 9, 2018
Atima Lui
Not all nudes were created equal. Atima Lui’s company is out to change that. NUDEST is building skin-tone matching technology to help people of every shade find products that match their nude. Reshma and Atima talk about their shared history of living up to the expectations of their refugee parents, reshaping beauty standards, and following dreams. Keep up with Atima on Twitter at @atimalui and @nudest_co.
May 2, 2018
Mónica Ramírez
Mónica Ramírez went to the Golden Globes this year- but you haven't seen her on screen. Mónica is the co-founder & President of Alianza Nacional de Campesinas - a national farmworker women’s organization fighting for the rights of farmworkers nationwide. Hear Mónica and Reshma discuss keeping up the fight and when to rest. Follow Mónica at @MonicaRamirezDC and @campesinasunite, and follow us at @ReshmaSaujani and @BravePerfectPod
April 25, 2018
Corinne Gilliard
If you were a producer with Oprah's TV network, would you ever leave? Corinne Gilliard did, and it might just be her bravest moment. Hear about her journey from Howard U to working for Oprah to leading creative development at Crooked Media, home of Pod Save America. Plus, Reshma and Corinne gush over #Beychella and HBCUs. Check her out on Twitter at @corinnegilliard, and while you’re at it, follow @braveperfectpod and @reshmasaujani too!
April 18, 2018
Molly Wood
Molly Wood, the host of Marketplace Tech, just had “the talk” with her son. No, not that talk. The one about digital privacy and protecting yourself online. Reshma talks to Molly about the biggest story in tech, what it was like to be one of the first female podcasters, why more women should start pods, and about the time Molly was checking Twitter while drifting down to earth on a parachute. Check her out on Twitter @mollywood and while you’re there follow @braveperfectpod and @reshmasaujani too!
April 11, 2018
Sophie Shrand
How do you combine degrees in theater and behavioral neuroscience? Sophie Shrand has got it figured out! Shrand hosts her own children's YouTube series 'Science with Sophie'. Playing herself and a variety of quirky characters, Shrand reveals the science behind oddities in everyday life, such as how potholes form, why we shed tears, and whether we can digest bubble gum if we accidentally swallow it. Reshma and Sophie talk about the importance of representation and becoming the role model you never saw. Follow Sophie at @ScienceWithSoph!
April 6, 2018
Stacey Abrams
Stacey Abrams is running for governor in Georgia. If elected, she would become the first African American female governor in the United States- but you'll never guess what she does on the side! Hear about Stacey's brave journey and what she's ready to do next in this episode of Brave, Not Perfect.
March 30, 2018
Lane Murdock
Lane Murdock is a 15-year-old sophomore at Ridgefield High School and the architect of a nationwide walkout, scheduled for April 20, to protest gun violence in schools. In this episode, Reshma and Lane discuss what it's like to organize a movement as a teenager, and how adults can do more to impact change. Follow Lane on Twitter at @lanemurdock2002 and @schoolwalkoutUS.
March 23, 2018
Karina Givargisoff
Karina Givargisoff is the founder of the first-ever non-profit fashion media brand, Mission Magazine. In this episode, Karina and Reshma get into the beauty of making mistakes, pursuing your passions, and the importance of giving back.
March 16, 2018
Cristina Jiménez Moreta
Cristina Jiménez Moreta has been fighting for immigrant rights her whole life. As the co-founder and executive director of the advocacy group 'United We Dream' from New York, Moreta became one of the 24 recipients to receive a 2017 MacArthur Fellowship as an advocate for the rights of undocumented immigrants.
March 9, 2018
Q&A: 3/07/2018
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March 7, 2018
Tony Jack
Anthony 'Tony' Jack, an Assistant Professor of Education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education explains the concept of the 'Privileged Poor' and systemic inequality in education in this episode of Brave, Not Perfect.
March 2, 2018
Q&A: 2/28/2018
You ask. Reshma answers! This is the first Q&A episode of 'Brave, Not Perfect'. Want to be featured in a future Q&A episode? Be sure to send in your questions to or call in directly using the Anchor Voice Message feature!
February 28, 2018
Tiffany Dufu
Tiffany Dufu, author, Chief Leadership Officer at Levo, and mother of two, is getting away from the curse of perfection. In this episode, Tiffany breaks down what it means to 'Drop The Ball' and how having it all doesn't necessarily mean doing it all.
February 24, 2018
Coming Soon: Brave, Not Perfect
Brave, Not Perfect features interviews with brave change makers in tech, politics and business. It’s hosted by Reshma Saujani, CEO of Girls Who Code, a nonprofit organization which aims to support and increase the number of women in computer science.
February 20, 2018
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