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By Nicki Pappas
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91. Showing Up Authentically with EbonyJanice (BONUS)
In this episode, I talked with EbonyJanice about showing up authentically. EbonyJanice is the founder and CEO of The Free People Project and The EbonyJanice Project. She has authored several books, including All The Black Girls Are Activists: A Fourth Wave Womanist Pursuit Of Dreams As Radical Resistance. Her Spiritual Mentorship Program, entitled “Dream Yourself Free,” is designed to support Black Women to heal intergenerational wounds and prioritize pleasure. Her talks embody a Hip Hop Womanist perspective. She is the visionary and creator of Black Girl Mixtape, a platform and safe think space that elevates the intellectual authority of Black Women. She is the founder of the All The Black Girls Are Bestsellers Campaign, raising over a million dollars to mass purchase Black femme books with the goal of getting them on The New York Times Best Sellers List. This project endeavored to spend the bulk of these funds in small Black and Indie-owned bookstores and gifted thousands of books to individuals and organizations nationwide. EbonyJanice earned her Bachelors in Cultural Anthropology and Political Science and a Masters of Arts in Social Change with a concentration in Spiritual Leadership, Womanist Theology, and Racial Justice.
Connect with EbonyJanice
IG: @ebonyjanice
Website: https://www.ebonyjanice.com/
Resources Mentioned
Tell Me Where It Hurts by Tasha Hunter
All the Black Girls Are Activists by EbonyJanice
Abolition Geography by Ruth Wilson Gilmore
Healing Justice Lineages by Cara Page and Erica Woodland
Miss Major Speaks: Conversations with a Black Trans Revolutionary by Miss Major Griffin-Gracy and Toshio Meronek
Sensual Faith by Lyvonne Briggs
“Mindfulness, Metta, and Mutual Aid with Oneika Mays” episode of Broadening the Narrative
“When Feminism Is White Supremacy in Heels” by Rachel Cargle
Are We Free Yet? by Tina Strawn
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Connect with Nicki Pappas
Website: nickipappas.com
IG: @broadeningthenarrative
Facebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blog
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

90. Being Impacted by the Political Landscape as a Voter with Sequana Murray (S6 E10)
In this episode, I talked with hip hop artist, poet, and techie Sequana Murray, also known as Bandy, about how she is impacted as a voter by the political landscape. Sequana has been a guest each season of the podcast and has also contributed to the podcast over the past four years with her music, so we reflected on this together at the end of the episode.
Connect with Bandy
IG: @bandythenomad
LinkedIn: Sequana Murray
TikTok: @bandythenomad
Cash App: $SequanaMurray
Bandcamp: bandy17.bandcamp.com
Resources Mentioned
“Mindfulness, Metta, and Mutual Aid with Oneika Mays” episode of Broadening the Narrative
Whole by Marla Taviano
“Intersection of Multiple Identities with Sequana Murray” episode of Broadening the Narrative
“The Necessity of Reparations with Sequana Murray” episode of Broadening the Narrative
“Befriending Depression with Sequana Murray” episode of Broadening the Narrative
“Facing Misogynoir with Sequana Murray” episode of Broadening the Narrative
“Techie on the Rise with Sequana Murray” episode of Broadening the Narrative
“I Have Been a Thousand Different Women” by Emory Hall
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Connect with Nicki Pappas
Website: nickipappas.com
IG: @broadeningthenarrative
Twitter: @broadnarrative
Facebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blog
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

89. Life and Death on the Priestess Path with Kohenet Pleasance Shamirah (S6 E9)
In this episode, I talked with Kohenet Pleasance Shamirah about life and death on the Priestess path. Pleasance is a death doula and grief educator, writer and author, ritual and retreat guide, and dreamer of worlds to come.Connect with Kohenet Pleasance ShamirahEmail: pleasance@me.com
YouTube: Pleasance Silicki
Resources Mentioned
Are We Free Yet? by Tina Strawn
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

88. Author Interview: Nice Churchy Patriarchy with Liz Cooledge Jenkins (S6 E8)
In this episode, I talked with Liz Cooledge Jenkins about her book Nice Churchy Patriarchy. Liz is a writer, preacher, former college campus minister, and the author of Nice Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women’s Humanity from Evangelicalism. She writes at the intersections of faith, feminism, and social justice, and her work can be found at places like Sojourners and The Christian Century—as well as her new Substack, Growing Into Kinship, and Instagram @lizcoolj and @postevangelicalprayers. Liz lives in the Seattle area with her husband and their black cat Athena, where she enjoys hiking, swimming, attempting to grow vegetables, and drinking a lot of tea.Connect with Liz Cooledge Jenkins
IG: @lizcoolj and @postevangelicalprayers
Substack: Growing Into Kinship
Website: lizcooledgejenkins.com
Resources Mentioned
The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby
Jesus Feminist by Sarah Bessey
God Is a Black Woman by Dr. Christena Cleveland
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

87. Freedom Is a Constant Struggle Discussion with Lettie Gore (S6 E7)
In this episode, I talked with Lettie Gore about Angela Davis's book Freedom Is a Constant Struggle. Lettie is a historian, professor, and racial equity strategist & consultant. She teaches history at Cape Fear Community College. Lettie is also the owner of Lettie’s History Education & Consulting Services, Inc., her pop-up bookshop But Then You Read, and her podcast “History Shows Us”.
Lettie holds a Masters in History with a focus on Black American history and race studies. She also holds a Masters in Conflict Management & Resolution. Using a unique approach, Lettie combines her extensive history and antiracism knowledge with her conflict resolution skills to have necessary racial justice conversations with truth and compassion to help equip others with tangible tools to create personal and collective transformation. Her passion for teaching history’s truths and connecting the past to today’s racial and social justice issues is evident in the work she does.
One of her favorite James Baldwin quotes is, "I am what time, circumstance, history have made of me, certainly, but I am, also, much more than that. So are we all." These words continue to be a reminder and a guide for her as she carries out what she knows is part of her divinely driven purpose.
Connect with Lettie GorePatreon: patreon.com/lettiegore
IG: @sincerely.lettie and @btyr_bookshop
Resources Mentioned
Freedom Is a Constant Struggle by Angela Davis
"The Importance of History" episode of Broadening the Narrative
"If Your Church Isn’t Repenting of White Supremacy" episode of Broadening the Narrative
They Were Her Property by Stephanie Jones-Rogers
My Grandmother’s Hands by Resmaa Menakem
How the Word Is Passed by Clint Smith
Assata by Assata Shakur
An African American and Latinx History of the United States by Paul Ortiz
All that She Carried by Tiya Miles
Remaking Black Power by Ashley Farmer
Sisters in the Struggle edited by Bettye Collier-Thomas and V.P. Franklin
Gateway to Freedom by Eric Foner
The Second by Carol Anderson
The Price for Their Pound of Flesh by Daina Ramey Berry
Women, Race, and Class by Angela Davis
South to America by Imani Perry
Medical Apartheid by Harriet Washington
The Three Mothers by Anna Malaika Tubbs
Half-American by Matthew Delmont
A Black Women’s History of the United States by Kali Nicole Gross and Daina Ramey Berry
The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison
Traveling Black by Mia Bay
Madness: Race and Insanity by Antonia Hylton
Until I Am Free by Keisha Blain
An Open Letter to My Sister Angela Davis by James Baldwin
When They Call You a Terrorist by Patrisse Cullors and Asha Bandele
The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama
Are We Free Yet? by Tina Strawn
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

86. The Writing of Unbelieve: The Musical with Paul Heatley (S6 E6)
In this episode, I talked with Paul Heatley about the writing of Unbelieve: The Musical. Unbelieve: The Musical is based off of our dear friend Marla Taviano's book unbelieve. A PK from the UK, Paul married a California girl and now lives in Pasadena, CA where he dreams of writing a hit musical based on Marla Taviano's unbelieve, even while his creativity continues to draw him back to church.Connect with Paul Heatleywebsite: paulheatleymusic.com/musicIG: @pkheatley
Facebook: Paul Heatley
Resources Mentioned
Marla Taviano on IG: @whitegirllearning and @marlataviano
Becoming Egalitarian by Nicki and Stephen Pappas
"Writing Rhythms" session - free download
Faith Unraveled by Rachel Held Evans (formerly Evolving in Monkey Town)
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

85. Occupation, Dehumanization, and Healing Trauma in Palestine with Ashira Darwish (S6 E5)
In this episode, I talked with Ashira Ali Darwish about the realities of occupation, dehumanization, and healing trauma in Palestine as well as the new documentary Where Olive Trees Weep. Ashira is the founder of Catharsis Holistic Healing, a trauma therapy project in Palestine. She is known for pioneering Sufi active meditation to help people suffering from continuous trauma. This type of active meditation draws its roots from ancestral and Indigenous knowledge. Her personal journey of healing from full body paralysis with a severed spinal cord in 2012 has given her a deep insight into the process of recovery and healing. This unique perspective allows her to offer a highly specialized and culturally sensitive approach to trauma healing. In 2021, she received the "ISABS Honours" from the Indian Society for Applied Behavioural Science for her contribution to positive societal transformation through the application of behavioral science principles and practices. Ashira started her career in Palestine as a journalist; she worked for 15 years as a TV and radio journalist and researcher for the BBC, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch.Connect with Ashira Darwishwebsite: ashirapremrachana.com
IG: @premashira
Resources Mentioned
My Grandmother’s Hands by Resmaa Menakem
As Long as the Lemon Trees Grow by Zoulfa Katouh
All the Black Girls are Activists by EbonyJanice
White Women by Regina Jackson and Saira Rao
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

84. The Psilocybin Handbook for Women with Jennifer Chesak (S6 E4)
In this episode, I talked with Jennifer Chesak, author of the award-winning The Psilocybin Handbook for Women. She is a freelance science and medical journalist, editor, and fact-checker, and her work has appeared in several national and international publications, including the Washington Post and BBC. Chesak earned her master of science in journalism from Northwestern University’s Medill. She currently teaches in the journalism and publishing programs at Belmont University, leads various workshops at the literary nonprofit The Porch, and serves as the managing editor for the literary magazine SHIFT. Connect with Jennifer Chesakwebsite: jenniferchesak.com
IG: @jenchesak
Twitter: @jenchesak
TikTok: @jenchesak
Threads: @jenchesak
Facebook: facebook.com/jenchesak
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jenniferchesak/
Resources Mentioned
HerStory Speaks podcast episode with Jennifer Chesak
How to Change Your Mind series on Netflix
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

83. Liberatory Theology for a Free Palestine and Beyond with Sarah and Jonathan (S6 E3)
In this episode, I talked with Sarah and Jonathan about Christians for a Free Palestine, the interfaith action at the end of this month to challenge CUFI, and liberatory theology for a free Palestine and beyond. Learn more and register at interfaithforpalestine.com/takeaction.
Sarah Nahar (she) is a nonviolent action trainer and interspiritual theologian. Now as a PhD candidate in Syracuse, New York (Haudenosaunee Confederacy traditional land) she focuses on ecological regeneration, community cultivation, and spiritual activism. Her focus is on the toilet, both the ritual and the receptacle. Previously, Sarah was a 2019 Rotary Peace Fellow and worked at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Center in Atlanta, Georgia. She is a founding member of the Carnival de Resistance and has been the Executive Director of Community Peacemaker Teams. She lived in Jerusalem 2011-2012, doing comparative liberation theology work and playing capoeira while challenging the occupation. She attended Spelman College, majoring in Comparative Women’s Studies and International Studies, minoring in Spanish. She has an MDiv from Anabaptist Mennonite Biblical Seminary, in her hometown of Elkhart, Indiana, and is licensed for ministry in MCUSA's Central District Conference. She recently finished up two full terms on the board of Buddhist Peace Fellowship, and is a member of Tzedek Lab which is a group that challenges racism, antisemitism, and white Christian supremacy. She and Jonathan are parents to a 2.5 year old.
Jonathan (he) is a Palestinian American Christian and co-founder of Christians for a Free Palestine. Jonathan was a frontline activist of Community Peacemaker Teams (CPT) (formerly Christian Peacemaker Teams) Palestine project in Hebron/Al-Khalil from 2012 to 2014. After his time with CPT he completed a Master’s at the University of Notre Dame’s Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies. That program included a six-month internship in Cape Town, South Africa fighting for more just land policies. Jonathan was the Israel/Palestine Partners in Peacemaking Coordinator for Mennonite Church USA, where he facilitated the writing, passing, and implementation of the Seeking Peace in Israel and Palestine Resolution. Jonathan’s work connects the Palestinian decolonial struggle with those of other indigenous peoples and challenges theologies of domination.Connect with Christians for a Free PalestineIG: @christiansforafreepalestine
Twitter: @xians4Palestine
TikTok: @xians4palestine
Threads: @christiansforafreepalestine
website: christiansforafreepalestine.com
Resources Mentioned
Freedom is a Constant Struggle by Angela Davis
Are We Free Yet? by Tina Strawn
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

82. Community, Education, and Joy at Queer Haven Books with Baker and Matti (S6 E2)
In this episode, I talked with Baker and Matti, the co-owners of Queer Haven Books, the only queer, independent bookstore in South Carolina. We discussed the journey it's been to open the store and how things have been going. I will be doing a book reading and signing at Queer Haven on July 20th and would love to see you there if you're local!
Connect with Queer Havensocial media: @queerhavenbooks
website: queerhavenbooks.com
Resources Mentioned
Conditionally Accepted: Christians' Perspectives On Sexuality And Gay And Lesbian Civil Rights by Baker Rogers
King Of Hearts: Drag Kings In The American South by Baker Rogers
Trans Men In The South: Becoming Men by Baker Rogers
(All of Baker's books can be found at bakerarogers.com)
The Ethical Slut by Janet W. Hardy and Dossie Easton
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
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81. Mindfulness, Metta, and Mutual Aid with Oneika Mays (S6 E1)
In this episode, I talked with Oneika Mays (CMT-P, E-RYT, LMT). Oneika is a multi-hyphenate facilitator who leads with joy, passion, and wisdom. She is a grounded leader with lived experience that centers on mindfulness and transformation. As a Black, queer feminist she brings a poignant lens to building a world that is more compassionate and understanding. With deep roots and knowledge in Buddhist and yogic teachings, Oneika delivers practical application and authentic connection through her facilitation skills. With openness and vulnerability, she facilitates the space to talk about change and embrace every part of ourselves.
Oneika has been practicing yoga for more than 20 years, and guiding yoga and meditation for more than a decade. Since then, she has used her knowledge to support social justice nonprofits and historically excluded communities. She served as the Mindfulness Coach at Rikers Island Correctional Facility for 4 years and is currently a teacher for Yoga International, an inclusive and accessible online studio with classes designed for every level of practice.
Oneika’s ability to take big ideas and distill them down into understandable and relatable learnings allows her to show up as a conduit for transformation. She is your teacher, your auntie, your friend, and an intuitive soul here for the work of personal and collective liberation. From mindfulness and movement classes to keynote addresses and board meetings, Oneika consistently delivers a practical application of transformative practices at the intersection of joy and disruption. Book Oneika as your next wellness speaker, yoga teacher trainer, or retreat guide at oneika@oneikamays.com. Join her movement to tap into joy and change the world by connecting with her on Instagram at @OneikaMays.
Connect with Oneika MaysIG: @oneikamays
Mutual Aid: Venmo @Oneika-Mays
Resources Mentioned
The Ethical Slut by Janet W. Hardy and Dossie Easton
Wherever You Go, There You Are by Jon Kabat-Zinn
Love and Rage by Lama Rod Owens
The Nap Ministry's Rest Deck by Tricia Hersey
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
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80. Leaving Toxic Religion with Nicki Pappas (BONUS)
This episode is a replay from the JoBeth on the Journey podcast. In this conversation, JoBeth and I talk about my experiences with toxic religion. Connect with JoBethIG: @jobethonthejourney
Facebook: JoBeth on the Journey Podcast
Website: jobethonthejourney.comIf you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.Connect with Nicki PappasWebsite: nickipappas.comIG: @broadeningthenarrativeTwitter: @broadnarrativeFacebook: facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blogEpisode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

79. Assata: An Autobiography Discussion with Historian Lettie Gore (S5 E13)
This episode is another replay from the Ink Drinker Literary Society podcast. In this conversation, Brent Schebler and I talked with historian Lettie Gore about the book Assata. Connect with Lettie IG: @sincerely.lettie Linktree: linktr.ee/sincerely.lettie If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

78. Writing in Community with Kim Marsh (S5 E12)
In this episode, I talked with writing and book coach Kim Marsh about her business The Open Book Company. We also discussed writing in community and the Preparing for Publishing series we offered earlier this year for authors. To download Session 1: Writing Rhythms for free, visit nickipappas.com/shop. Connect with Kim Marsh Email kim@openbookco.com Website www.openbookco.com IG @theopenbookcompany
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

77. Taking the Lord's Name in Vain with Pastor Jenny Sung (S5 E11)
In this episode, I talked with Pastor Jenny Sung about "taking the Lord's name in vain." Connect with Jenny Sung Linktree: linktr.ee/FreeRangePastorJenny IG @iamjennysung Twitter @Iamjennysung TikTok @freerangepastorjenny Facebook: facebook.com/jenny.sung.90 If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

76. Coming Home to Yourself with Arielle Estoria (S5 E10)
In this episode, I talked with poet, author, actor, and artist Arielle Estoria about her book The Unfolding: An Invitation to Come Home to Yourself.
Connect with Arielle Estoria Twitter @arielleestoria
IG @arielleestoria
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

75. Deconstructing Interventionist God with James Prescott (S5 E9)
In this episode, I talked with podcast host, author, and mental health and grief advocate James Prescott. We discussed his deconstruction journey and letting go of the idea of an interventionist god.
Connect with James Prescott
Twitter @JamesPrescott77
IG @jamesprescott77
Website jamesprescott.co.uk
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

74. Techie on the Rise with Sequana Murray (S5 E8)
In this episode, I talked with hip hop artist, poet, and all around powerhouse Sequana Murray, also known as Bandy. We discussed her journey into tech.
Connect with Bandy
Twitter: @MurraySequana
LinkedIn: Sequana Murray
TikTok: @bandythenomad
IG: @bandythenomad
Cash App: $SequanaMurray
Bandcamp: bandy17.bandcamp.com
Resources Mentioned
God Is a Black Woman by Dr. Christena Cleveland
Teneika Askew on LinkedIn: Teneika Askew Teneika Askew on Twitter: @teneikaask_you Udemy.com
If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

73. Author Interview: Marla Taviano (S5 E7)
This episode is another replay from the Ink Drinker Literary Society podcast. In this conversation, Brent Schebler and I talked with author Marla Taviano about her poetry books unbelieve and jaded. Connect with Marla IG: @marlataviano and @whitegirllearning
Twitter: @marlataviano
Resources Mentioned
"54. Becka Eppley, Jen Kinney, Marla Taviano" episode of When We Speak
Intersexion by Cynthia Vacca Davis
Lake Drive Books
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Connect with Nicki Pappas
Website nickipappas.com
IG @broadeningthenarrative
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Broadening the Narrative blog
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

72. Out of Eden with Jo Lloyd Johnson (S5 E6)
In this episode, I talked with author Jo Lloyd Johnson about her book Silenced in Eden. Connect with Jo Lloyd Johnson IG @jolloydjohnson Resources Mentioned
Almost Heretical Gender Series
Paul and Gender by Cynthia Long Westfall
Body Work by Melissa Febos
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71. No Longer Silent with Miriam Delaney Heard (S5 E5)
In this episode, I talked with author and former Jehovah's Witness Miriam Delaney Heard about her book Sunless and Silent and Deep. Connect with Miriam Delaney Heard IG @callmevashti Website: callmevashti.com
Resources Mentioned
The Existential podcast - “Episode 51 (That's Interesting. Tell Me More) with Kelly and Dan Matlock” If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

70. Communication in Relationships Post-Deconstruction with the Sexvangelicals (S5 E4)
In this episode, I talked with Julia Postema and Jeremiah Gibson, sex therapists and hosts of the Sexvangelicals podcast: "the sex education the church didn't want you to have." We discussed communication strategies for relationships post-deconstruction. Connect with The Sexvangelicals IG @sexvangelicals Website: sexvangelicals.com Resources MentionedThe Existential podcast - “Episode 51 (That's Interesting. Tell Me More) with Kelly and Dan Matlock” Come as You Are by Emily Nagoski Passionate Marriage by David Schnarch Pure by Linda Kay Klein Shameless by Nadia Bolz-Weber If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

69. A Transgender Man’s Journey with Scripture with Shannon TL Kearns (S5 E3)
In this episode, I talked with Shannon TL Kearns about his book In the Margins: A Transgender Man's Journey with Scripture. Shannon is a transgender man who believes in the transformative power of story. As an ordained priest, a playwright, a theologian, and a writer all of his work revolves around making meaning through story. He's the co-founder of QueerTheology.com and his first book, In the Margins: A Transgender Man's Journey with Scripture, was published by Eerdmaan’s books. He was the founder and Artistic Director of Uprising Theatre Company in Minneapolis. Shannon is a recipient of the Playwrights’ Center Jerome Fellowship in 2020/2021 and he was a Lambda Literary Fellow for 2019 (in playwriting) and 2022 (in screenwriting) and a Finnovation Fellow for 2019/2020. He is a sought after speaker on transgender issues and religion as well as a skilled facilitator of a variety of workshops. His work with Brian G. Murphy at QueerTheology.com has reached more than a million people all over the world through videos, articles, and online courses and community. Shannon’s plays include The Body's Rapture, Body+Blood, in a stand of dying trees, Line of Sight, Twisted Deaths, The Resistance of My Skin, and Who Has Eyes To See. He's also the writer of three television pilots: Transformed, Freedom, Kansas, and Family Unit.
Connect with Shannon Kearns @shannontlkearns on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok Website: shannontlkearns.com Patreon: patreon.com/shannontlkearns If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

68. Talking Gun Violence with My Kids (S5 E2)
In this episode, I talked with my kids J (age 8), EK (age 6), and L (age 5) about their experiences with active shooter drills. Resources Mentioned: Here 4 the Kids The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America by Carol Anderson If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

67. Are We Free Yet? with Tina Strawn (S5 E1)
This episode is a replay from the Ink Drinker Literary Society podcast. In this conversation, Brent Schebler and I talked with pleasure activist and author Tina Strawn about their book Are We Free Yet?: The Black Queer Guide to Divorcing America. Connect with Tina Strawn IG: @tina_strawn_life Website: tina-strawn.com Resources Mentioned: Here 4 the Kids Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show. Connect with Nicki Pappas Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

66. Self-Publishing Tips with Nicki Pappas (BONUS)
In this episode, I shared about the self-publishing journey for my memoir As Familiar as Family and for my eBook of poetry Reflections from a Former Evangelical.
Resources Mentioned:
Dear Sister by Megan Wooding
Lovingly Abused by Heather Heath
The Open Book Company, founded by Kim Marsh
Story Genius by Lisa Cron
The Memoir Project by Marion Roach Smith
What Children Remember by Tasha Hunter
#ChurchToo by Emily Joy Allison
Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert
IG Live with Kim Marsh from 9/14/22
IG Live with Tasha Hunter from 9/16/22
Native by Kaitlin Curtice
Bowker for ISBN #s
Library of Congress for LCCN
Writing Down the Bones by Natalie Goldberg
Self-Publishing Lessons and Gratitude on When We Speak
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Click here to order Reflections from a Former Evangelical
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

65. Disability Justice in the Church with Amy Kenny (S4 E16)
In this episode, I talked with Dr. Amy Kenny about her book My Body Is Not a Prayer Request. Dr. Amy Kenny is a disabled scholar and a Shakespeare Lecturer who hates Hamlet. Her work has been featured in HuffPost, Teen Vogue, The Mighty, and Sojourners. She coordinates support for neighbors in her local community experiencing homelessness, and her book, My Body Is Not a Prayer Request: Disability Justice in the Church, came out in May 2022.
*Photo ID: A blonde, white woman wearing a burgundy patterned shirt sits on a mobility scooter in front of a blue background with a variety of geometric shapes.
Connect with Dr. Amy Kenny:
IG: @dramykenny
Twitter: @DrAmyKenny
Website: amy-kenny.com
Resources Mentioned:
"I Am NOT Your Superwoman" episode of Truth's Table
"Inspiration porn and the objectification of disability: Stella Young at TEDxSydney 2014"
"Disability and its Intersections with Everything" on Freedom Road
"My Body Is Not A Prayer Request w/ Dr. Amy Kenny" on Permission To BE
Disability and the Way of Jesus by Bethany McKinney Fox
God Is a Black Woman by Dr. Christena Cleveland
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

64. What the Bible Says about Queerness with Mitchell Kesller (S4 E15)
In this episode, I spoke with author Mitchell Kesller about his book Broke the Bread, Spilled the Tea.
Connect with Mitchell:
IG: @mitchellkesller
Resources Mentioned:
#ChurchToo by Emily Joy Allison
God Is a Black Woman by Dr. Christena Cleveland
Almost Heretical podcast
Inspired by Rachel Held Evans
Unclobber by Colby Martin
God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines
Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians by Austen Hartke
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

63. Contending for a Better World with Corey Leak (S4 E14)
In this episode, I spoke with Corey Leak. Corey is a person contending for a better world, and that's what we discussed during our conversation.
Connect with Corey:
IG: @coreyevanleak
Twitter: @coreyevanmusic
Patreon: patreon.com/coreyevanleak
Podcast: Existential with Corey Leak
Website: coreyevanleak.com
Resources Mentioned:
Lettie Gore’s Patreon - patreon.com/lettiegore
Body Becoming by Dr. Robyn Henderson-Espinoza
Legacy Trips - tina-strawn.com/legacy-trips
Twelve Years a Slave by Solomon Northup
When Narcissism Comes to Church by Dr. Chuck DeGroat
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

62. Discover Embodiment with Dr. Roberto Che (S4 E13)
In this episode, I spoke with Dr. Roberto Che about their book Body Becoming. Dr. Roberto Che is a scholar-activist, scholar-leader, thought-leader, teacher, public theologian, ethicist, poet of moral reason, and word artist. They are also a visionary thinker who has spent two decades working in the borderlands of church, academy, & movements seeking to not only disrupt but dismantle supremacy culture and help steward the logic of liberation as a Transqueer Latinx. Dr. Roberto is the Founder of the Activist Theology Project, a Nashville based collaborative project that seeks to work with the dominant culture and produces curriculum at the intersection of scholarship and activism. Dr. Roberto was named 1 of 10 Faith Leaders to watch by the Center for American Progress in 2018. Dr. Roberto has been featured in fashion magazines and appeared on many different podcasts. As a scholar-activist, Dr. Roberto is committed to translating theory to action, so that our work in the borderlands reflect the deep spiritual work of transforming self to transforming the world. As the Founder of the Activist Theology Project, Dr. Roberto is committed to the work of social healing through public theology initiatives, and writes & creates both academic & other valuable resources, including digital resources. Dr. Roberto is a non-binary Transqueer Latinx and adult on the Autism spectrum. They are the author of Activist Theology and Body Becoming: A Path to Our Liberation.
Connect with Dr. Roberto Che: Linktree: linktr.ee/irobyn Activist Theology Project: atporch.com
Resources Mentioned: My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Menakem The Force of Nonviolence by Judith Butler Borderlands/La Frontera: The New Mestiza by Gloria Anzaldúa
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas: Click here to order As Familiar as Family Website nickipappas.com IG @broadeningthenarrative Twitter @broadnarrative Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative blog Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

61. Self-care is Essential with Kourtney Tolbert (S4 E12)
In this episode, I spoke with my neighbor Kourtney Tolbert about the necessity of self-care. We talked about prioritizing ourselves, sustainable self-care practices, boundaries, and so much more.
Resources Mentioned:
Musical Artist Kyle Lux: YouTube Channel - Kyle Lux and IG @kylelux_
All Who Are Weary by Emmy Kegler
Historian Lettie Gore on Patreon
Interview with Megan Wooding on Broadening the Narrative
A Rhythm of Prayer edited by Sarah Bessey
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

60. Free Range Pastoring with Jenny Sung (S4 E11)
In this episode, I spoke with Reverend Jenny Sung about her work as an ordained #FreeRangePastor with the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. Jenny spends most of her time traveling, preaching, speaking, writing, and coaching leaders how to heal through brave love and beloved community. She received her Masters of Divinity through Luther Seminary and is the founder and co-director of One Dance Company, a professional modern dance company in the Twin Cities. Find out more info about the June 2023 Embodied: Women in the Holy Land trip that Jenny shares about by visiting eliastours.com/tours/embodied-women-in-the-holy-land.
Connect with Reverend Jenny Sung:
IG @iamjennysung
Twitter @Iamjennysung
TikTok @freerangepastorjenny
Facebook: facebook.com/jenny.sung.90
Linktree: linktr.ee/FreeRangePastorJenny
Resources Mentioned:
“Free-Range Church with Pr Jenny Sung” on Cafeteria Christian
"Episode 51 (That's Interesting. Tell Me More) with Kelly and Dan Matlock" on Existential
#ChurchToo by Emily Joy Allison
The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk
Ordinary Blessings by Meta Herrick Carlson
God Is a Black Woman by Dr. Christena Cleveland
Out of Sorts by Sarah Bessey
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

59. Connecting to Superheroes through Grief with James Prescott (S4 E10)
In this episode, I talked with podcast host, author, and mental health and grief advocate James Prescott. We discussed connecting to superheroes through grief.
Connect with James Prescott:
Twitter @JamesPrescott77
IG @jamesprescott77
Facebook: facebook.com/JamesPrescottWriter
Website: jamesprescott.co.uk
Resources Mentioned:
Poema Podcast on Twitter: @poemapodcast
Poema Podcast on Facebook: facebook.com/poemapodcast
“Episode 001 | Spiderman: No Way Home” on The Kryptonian, The Princess & The Avenger
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

58. The Realities of Christian Fundamentalism with Tia Levings (S4 E9)
In this episode, I talked with writer and content creator Tia Levings. We discussed the realities of Christian fundamentalism, domestic violence, & current events in the US empire.
Connect with Tia Levings:
IG @tialevingswriter
Twitter @TiaLevings
Resources Mentioned:
Body Becoming by Dr. Robyn Henderson-Espinoza
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
When We Speak podcast interview
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

57. Exchanging Retributive Punishment for Transformative Justice with Rahim Buford (S4 E8)
In this episode, I talked with Rahim Buford. Rahim was paroled in 2015 after 26 consecutive years of confinement. A native Nashvillian, Rahim has seen and felt how poverty negatively impacts people in the criminal legal system. Arrested at age 18, he lived more than half of his life within seven different prisons across Tennessee. During that time, he completed course work for Lipscomb University, Ohio University, and Vanderbilt Divinity School. Rahim was a co-founder of Salt (Schools for Alternative Learning and Transformation), an inclusive undergraduate program that provides a safe learning space for non-traditional students at Riverbend Prison. While incarcerated, he also self-published his own book, Save Your Own Life. Upon his release from prison, Rahim received a Presidential Scholarship to American Baptist College, and worked part time as an organizer for Children’s Defense Fund Nashville. In 2017, he founded Unheard Voices Outreach to assist currently and formerly incarcerated navigate reentry. Rahim graduated summa cum laude with a bachelor’s degree in Entrepreneurial Leadership in 2019. He managed the Nashville Community Bail Fund from 2018 to 2021. Rahim uses his voice to advocate for decarceration and transformative justice.
Connect with Rahim Buford:
IG @rahim_buford & @unheardvoicesoutreach
Twitter @Rahimbuford & @OutreachVoices
Facebook - facebook.com/rahimbuford & facebook.com/unheardvoicesoutreach
Website: unheardvoicesoutreach.org
Resources Mentioned:
Rahim Buford on Rumors of Grace podcast
How the Word Is Passed by Clint Smith
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

56. Walking Away from Toxic Religion with Andrew Pledger (S4 E7)
In this episode, I talked with Andrew Pledger about walking away from toxic religion. Andrew is a religious trauma survivor who brings awareness to spiritual and religious abuse. His experiences have inspired him to pursue psychology to help survivors. He is now an influencer using social media to share his story and inspire others.
Connect with Andrew Pledger:
Website: 4ndrewpledger.mypixieset.com/press-kit
Resources Mentioned:
Andrew Pledger on the Preacher Boys Podcast
The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

55. Active Listening in Deconstruction with Carina Davis (S4 E6)
In this episode, I talked with Carina Davis. Carina is a community advocate seeking to use her experience in various cultural and religious communities to promote togetherness and understanding. Since she deconstructed from Christianity over 10 years ago, her mission is to illustrate that life can be lived with joy and help others connect to communities they may not know much about through her efforts with Deconstructing Colors, a non-profit established to educate people on various cultures, ways of living, and to create a space of open dialogue as well as collective community service. To support the Deconstructing Colors non-profit fundraiser, you can send funds via Cash App to $DeconstructingClrs.
Connect with Carina Davis:
IG @joy_and_mrsdee & @deconstructingcolors
Cash App - $DeconstructingClrs
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

54. Easing the Burden on the Walk with Mental Illness with Emmy Kegler (S4 E5)
In this episode, I talked with author and pastor Emmy Kegler about her book All Who Are Weary. Emmy shared about how we can ease the burden on the walk with mental illness. Buy her book at emmykegler.com/all-who-are-weary.
Connect with Emmy Kegler:
IG @emmykegler
Twitter @emmykegler
Facebook - facebook.com/emmykegler
TikTok @emmykegler
Website - emmykegler.com
Resources Mentioned:
All Who Are Weary by Emmy Kegler
One Coin Found by Emmy Kegler
When Narcissism Comes to Church by Chuck DeGroat
My Body Is Not a Prayer Request by Amy Kenny
"My Body Is Not a Prayer Request w/ Dr. Amy Kenny" on Permission To Be
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

53. Supporting Survivors and Calling Abusers Into Account with Stephanie Krehbiel and Jay Yoder (S4 E4)
In this episode, I talked with Stephanie Krehbiel and Jay Yoder. Stephanie and Jay are co-founders of Into Account. Into Account offers support for survivors and allies seeking justice, accountability, and recovery in Christian contexts.
Connect with & Support Into Account:
Twitter @into_account
Facebook facebook.com/IntoAccount
Donate intoaccount.networkforgood.com
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

52. Facing Misogynoir with Sequana Murray (S4 E3)
In this episode, I talked with hip hop artist and poet Sequana Murray (she/her), or Bandy as she is known by her stage name. Sequana is a four time returning guest, and we discussed misogynoir in this conversation.
Connect with Bandy:
Twitter @MurraySequana
Bandcamp bandy17.bandcamp.com/
TikTok @bandythenomad
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

51. Overcoming Cults, Gaslighting, and Legal Educational Neglect with Heather Heath (S4 E2)
In this episode, I talked with author, medic, and twin mom Heather Heath (she/her). We discussed her book Lovingly Abused: Overcoming Cults, Gaslighting, and Legal Educational Neglect. Buy her book at heathergraceheath.com.
Connect with Heather Heath:
Twitter @BksliddenHarlot
TikTok @backsliddenharlot
Website heathergraceheath.com
Resources Mentioned:
Lovingly Abused by Heather Heath
#ChurchToo by Emily Joy Allison
The Coalition for Responsible Home Education
When We Speak podcast with Tasha Hunter
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

50. Leaving Hillsong with Nandi Kayyy (S4 E1)
In this episode, I talked with returning guest Nandi Kayyy (they/them). Nandi is a Southern-born, Queer, Agender and Trans, artist, activist, and podcast host. Nandi shared about their journey into and out of Hillsong Church. They released the RIOT EP with their band Nandi Kayyy & The THEY Agenda last year, which we discussed in the episode "Abolish the Police" in season 3. You can also listen to their episode titled "All Black Lives Matter" from season 2 if you haven't already.
Connect with Nandi Kayyy:
IG @nandikayyy
Twitter @NandiKayyy
Facebook facebook.com/nandikayyy
Nandi Kayyy's Patreon patreon.com/nandikayyy
Website nandikayyy.com
The RIOT EP nandikayyytheyagenda.bandcamp.com/releases
SoundCloud soundcloud.com/nandikayyy
Bandcamp bandcamp.com/nandikayyy
Resources Mentioned:
"#164: Hellsong, w/ Janice Lagata" on A Tiny Revolution
When We Speak podcast with Tasha Hunter
The music for this episode was created by my oldest child. We worked together using the Chrome Music Lab: Song Maker and had so much fun. I want to thank Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you heard in this episode, share it with a friend and on social media. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
Connect with Nicki Pappas:
Click here to order As Familiar as Family
Website nickipappas.com
Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative
Episode Transcripts: broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com (transcripts can be found here as they become available)

49. Creating Anti-oppressive Structures with Tommy Allgood (S3 E12)
In this episode, I talked with Tommy Allgood. Tommy is a registered nurse, a life, wellness, and spiritual coach, and an organizational consultant. We discussed how Tommy is helping create anti-oppressive structures.
Connect with Tommy Allgood:
Website teamallgood.com or tommyallgood.com
IG @tommyallgoodrn
Twitter @TommyAllgood
Resources Mentioned:
In Class with Carr YouTube videos
The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby
NowThis video "Theologian Ekemini Uwan On Faith and the Pandemic"
Andre Henry's website andrehenry.co
adrienne maree brown's website adriennemareebrown.net
History Shows Us podcast with Lettie Gore
"Examining the Bible We Have with David Cady" on Broadening the Narrative
"Joy and Liberation with Tina Strawn" on Broadening the Narrative
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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Twitter @broadnarrative
Facebook - facebook.com/groups/broadeningthenarrative

48. Healing Complex Developmental Trauma with Tasha Hunter (S3 E11)
In this episode, I talked with Tasha Hunter. Tasha is a speaker, host of the When We Speak podcast, a mental health therapist, and an author. We discussed healing from complex developmental trauma and her book What Children Remember. You can buy her book at tashahunterauthor.com/book.
Connect with Tasha Hunter:
Website tashahunterauthor.com
IG @tashahunterlcsw
Resources Mentioned:
"Tasha Hunter" on Her Story Speaks
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
The Safe Haven podcast
"How Childhood Trauma Affects Health Across a Lifetime with Nadine Burke Harris" - Ted Talk
My Grandmother’s Hands by Resmaa Menakem
"What We Pass on to Our Kids" by Resmaa Menakem
The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk
"Sharing Our Stories and the Trauma We Carry with Tasha Hunter" on History Shows Us
"Ministry of Violence" by Talia Lavin
"Episode 30- Rahim Buford" on The Human Voice with Bob Hutchins
"15: Mako Nagasawa - Beyond penal substitution" on Almost Heretical
Still Becoming with Monica DiCristina
"#ChurchToo and Domestic Violence with Emily Joy Allison" on Broadening the Narrative
"Understanding Settler Colonialism Within the US Empire with Charlie Amáyá Scott" on Broadening the Narrative
"Bad Theology Kills with Kevin Garcia" on Broadening the Narrative
"My Experience with Spiritual Abuse at Remedy Church with Nicki Pappas" on Broadening the Narrative
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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47. Bad Theology Kills with Kevin Garcia (S3 E10)
In this episode, I talked with digital pastor, mystic theologian, creative healer, and Spiritual Re’Formation coach Kevin Garcia about their book Bad Theology Kills. Since coming out as a queer person of faith in 2015, Kevin has become a leading voice in progressive faith circles with a call to revolutionary love, practical spirituality, and a vision to see healing in every body. They believe that by telling our story, we set others free to tell their own. Buy their book at badtheologykills.com.
Connect with Kevin Garcia:
Website thekevingarcia.com
IG @thekevingarcia
Twitter @theKevinGarcia_
Facebook facebook.com/kevin.garcia
Youtube youtube.com/c/KevinGarciaWasTaken
Your Favorite Aunts live show/podcast with Sarah Heath
Patreon patreon.com/theKevinGarcia
Resources Mentioned:
My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Menakem
Do Better by Rachel Ricketts
A Course in Miracles
If God Still Breathes, Why Can't I by Angela Parker
Out of Sorts by Sarah Bessey
Still Stace by Stacey Chomiak
"My Experience with Spiritual Abuse at Remedy Church with Nicki Pappas" on Broadening the Narrative
"#ChurchToo and Domestic Violence with Emily Joy Allison" on Broadening the Narrative
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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Broadening the Narrative on:
Twitter @broadnarrative
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46. Understanding Settler Colonialism Within the US Empire with Charlie Amáyá Scott (S3 E9)
In this episode, I talked with Charlie Amáyá Scott about settler colonialism within the US empire. Charlie is the creator of Diné Aesthetics and a Diné scholar born and raised within the Navajo Nation. As a doctoral student, Charlie is intrigued by the intricacies among higher education, settler colonialism, and social media. Their work is informed by a desire for a more just and liberating education that supports and inspires the next generation of Queer, Trans, and Indigenous students. In addition, Charlie reflects, analyzes, and critiques what it means to be a Diné in the 21st century on her personal blog, dineaesthetics.com, while inspiring joy and justice to thousands on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter.
Connect with Charlie Amáyá Scott:
Blog dineaesthetics.com
IG @dineaesthetics
TikTok @dineaesthetics
Twitter @GrandmaSaidNo
Resources Mentioned:
"Explaining settler colonialism" TikTok video
A Third University Is Possible by la paperson
"Decolonization is not a metaphor" by Eve Tuck and K. Wayne Yang
"Toward a Tribal Critical Race Theory in Education" by Bryan McKinley Jones Brayboy
"Settler colonialism and the elimination of the native" by Patrick Wolfe
bell hooks
Rebecca Roanhorse
Tenille K. Campbell
"My Experience with Spiritual Abuse at Remedy Church with Nicki Pappas" on Broadening the Narrative
Additional Instagram Accounts to Follow: @melaninmvskoke, @lilnativeboy, @prestomanifest0, and @endlessyarning
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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45. Queer History in Asia and Pacific Islands with Sarah Ngu (S3 E8)
In this episode, I talked with writer, speaker, and Church Clarity co-founder Sarah Ngu. Sarah writes and speaks on religion, LGBTQ2 histories, class, and race. We discussed the history of queerness in Asia and Pacific Islands, how Christian colonialism impacted queer affirmation, and what all of this should mean for the Christian church in the present.
Connect with Sarah Ngu:
Twitter @sarahngu
IG @sarahngu
Website sarahngu.com
Newsletter sarahngu.substack.com
Resources Mentioned:
“Queer Faith: In Our Own Words” video
"The West can’t lay claim to LGBTQ2 acceptance" by Sarah Ngu
Gender Pluralism by Michael Peletz
Church Clarity - churchclarity.org
Donate to Church Clarity - churchclarity.org/contribute
Pauline Park's website paulinepark.com
"My Experience with Spiritual Abuse at Remedy Church with Nicki Pappas" on Broadening the Narrative
"#ChurchToo and Domestic Violence with Emily Joy Allison" on Broadening the Narrative
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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Broadening the Narrative on:
Twitter @broadnarrative
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44. Joy and Liberation with Tina Strawn (S3 E7)
In this episode, I talked with anti-racism facilitator, racial and social justice advocate, and pleasure activist Tina Strawn about joy and liberation in advocacy and activism. Tina is the Founder of Legacy Trips, which are three-day anti-racism trips visiting the National Memorial for Peace and Justice and the Legacy Museum: From Enslavement to Mass Incarceration in Montgomery, Alabama, and utilizing spiritual practices, such as yoga, as tools to dismantle racism. Tina is also the owner of the Speaking of Racism podcast, which has been downloaded over 350,000 times. The podcast is dedicated to frank, honest, and respectful discussions of racism in the U.S. Tina is part of the Blaxit social movement and currently living abroad while writing her book, “Are We Free Yet?”, and exploring and examining what it looks like and feels like for a queer Black womxn to be free and find home.
Connect with Tina Strawn:
IG @tina_strawn_life
Resources Mentioned:
Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson
The National Memorial for Peace and Justice
"Moving Toward Greater Cosmic Wholeness with Emmy Kegler" on Broadening the Narrative
"#ChurchToo and Domestic Violence with Emily Joy Allison" on Broadening the Narrative
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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43. Including the “I” in LGBTQIA+ Responsibly with Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez (S3 E6)
In this episode, I talked with gender and intersex activist & LGBTQIA+ visionary Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez. Anunnaki spoke about responsibly including the "I" in LGBTQIA+.
Connect with Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez:
IG @anunnakiray
Twitter @anunnakiray
Facebook - facebook.com/anunnakiray
Rainbow Human Rights Community Facebook Group
Resources Mentioned:
Intersex and Identity: The Contested Self by Sharon E. Preves
Intersex and Faith documentary
“Gender bound” - Judi Herring (TEDxJacksonville)
“Listen With Care: Build Bridges of Understanding”
“Born Intersex: We Are Human” - Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez (TEDxJacksonville)
“Why I feel INTERSEX should be added to the LGBTQ+ rainbow” by Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez
Beyond the Binary: Gender Nonconformist Facebook Group
Intersex Support for Parents Facebook Group
Intersex Haven Facebook Group
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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Original Photo Credit: Tiffany Manning (Jacksonville TEDx's photographer)

42. Moving Toward Greater Cosmic Wholeness with Emmy Kegler (S3 E5)
In this episode, I talked with author and pastor Emmy Kegler about her book One Coin Found. Emmy spoke about her journey with loneliness and codependency and how she works with these parts of herself to move toward greater cosmic wholeness.
Connect with Emmy Kegler:
IG @emmykegler
Twitter @emmykegler
Facebook - facebook.com/emmykegler
Website - emmykegler.com
Resources Mentioned:
One Coin Found by Emmy Kegler
All Who Are Weary by Emmy Kegler (available for pre-order)
God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines
The Cross and the Lynching Tree by James Cone
Searching for Sunday by Rachel Held Evans
Inspired by Rachel Held Evans
Almost Heretical - "Rachel Held Evans - Using and abusing the Bible"
Jesus and Nonviolence: A Third Way by Walter Wink
The music from this episode is "Love Is" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If you like what you hear in this episode, share it with a friend. I really think that little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. In addition, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Then, rate and review to help others find the show.
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