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Campus Confidential

Campus Confidential

By Compass Group

If you work in higher education, you already know – this sh*t is hard!

Campus Confidential follows Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman as they dive deep into the real world of higher education leadership. Alongside special guests from across the industry, they share insights about highs and lows, complex personal reflections, and managing change in this dynamic world. By providing a space for community, connection, and vulnerability, Kelsey and Loren aim to validate current leaders, inspire future ones, and ultimately bring the heart back to higher education.
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Trust at scale is culture (w/Molly Kurth & Dr. Julie Leos)

Campus ConfidentialApr 15, 2024

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Trust at scale is culture (w/Molly Kurth & Dr. Julie Leos)

Trust at scale is culture (w/Molly Kurth & Dr. Julie Leos)

If you want to know more about why people leave jobs, what’s at the root of (almost) all workforce morale issues, and the easiest solution in the world that costs nothing, (and... the lie Kelsey was told to get her to change jobs), this episode is for you!

Talent management experts Molly Kurth (Compass Group Sr. VP for HR, Learning and Talent Development) and Dr. Julie Leos (Spelman Johnson Search Consultant) join us for a lively, insightful and incredibly informed discussion about attracting and retaining talent.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Apr 15, 202448:47
What's your one thing? (w/Elaine Hanke, Jared Ceja & Dr. Bernard Little)

What's your one thing? (w/Elaine Hanke, Jared Ceja & Dr. Bernard Little)

In this episode we hear from Elaine Hanke (University of Michigan), Dr. Bernard Little (Prairie State College) and Jared Ceja (Cal Poly Pomona) about attracting and retaining staff. They share what they notice about the workforce, question higher education practices, reflect on what they need to unlearn and give us tips on attracting and keeping people.

(Listen close for these nuggets: feedback Elaine once gave Kelsey and what Loren dreams about. No foolin’!)

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Apr 01, 202454:58
Boots, Brisket and Belonging: Our session at SXSW EDU

Boots, Brisket and Belonging: Our session at SXSW EDU

Howdy! If y’all thought our trip to Austin for SXSW EDU would be all hat and no cattle, this is the episode for you! Listen in to hear Kelsey and Loren describe hosting the Placemaking & Belonging Meetup, and hear attendees talk about the impact of architecture, the importance of social programming and how one’s personal identity influences sense of place.

(And if this is your very first episode, well then, bless your heart!)

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Mar 18, 202432:31
Our work matters. People matter more (w/Dr. Andy Brantley & Jami Painter)

Our work matters. People matter more (w/Dr. Andy Brantley & Jami Painter)

OK, let’s hear from the experts! Dr. Andy Brantley, President and CEO of CUPA-HR, and Jami Painter, Sr. Associate VP and Chief Human Resource Officer for the University of Illinois System, explain what it means to be an employer of choice, how leaders can build trust with remote staff and simple things supervisors can do to retain employees.

(Hint: Kelsey and Loren appreciate you for listening!)

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Mar 04, 202453:56
It's been a tough four years (w/E15's Erin Moore Ruddy & Elysse Bais)
Feb 19, 202446:18
Sometimes all you have is a question

Sometimes all you have is a question

Welcome to Season 2! In this first episode, Kelsey and Loren lay out the direction of this new season.

Using insights from a leadership research study, we will bring in a slate of expert guests to share practical tips and real stories on improving employee satisfaction, retention and well-being. Listen in as your hosts get back behind the mic after a little break.

(And stay tuned during Extra Credit to hear an exciting announcement about where we will be traveling in March and how you can join us!)

Feb 05, 202427:50
It's your journey

It's your journey

Well, that’s a wrap on Season 1! In this episode, Kelsey and Loren let you in on some secrets: favorite moments from the year, what leadership lessons they still need to practice, and even whether they thought they’d make it a whole year.

This is an extra short end-of-year episode with a bunch of laughs, so gather the family and take a listen. See you in Season 2!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Dec 11, 202331:10
Slow down to speed up (Live from NACAS)

Slow down to speed up (Live from NACAS)

In this episode, recorded live at the annual NACAS conference in Toronto, we hear Gheretta Harris (University of Virginia), Jared Ceja (Cal Poly Pomona Foundation), and Dr. Mike Porritt (Scion Advisory) talk about what they look for in job applicants, if decisions should be made with data or intuition and how theme parks can prepare you for a career in higher education. The gates are open – get on the ride!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Nov 27, 202355:27
Elevated Purpose (w/Salli Darden & Jan van den Kieboom)

Elevated Purpose (w/Salli Darden & Jan van den Kieboom)

Rick Bayless, nuns, and mountain bikes – no, this is not the beginning to a joke! But each is fundamental to the lives and careers of Chartwells Higher Ed Chief Brand Officer Salli Darden and Workshop Architects Founding Principal Jan van den Kieboom.

In this episode, we introduce you to two people in OUR leadership circle. We hear how they got started (it’s different than you think!), what joy and impact mean to them, and how fearlessness leads to opportunity. We designed the space and set the table, so pull up a chair and listen in!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Nov 13, 202354:06
"You totally missed your calling" (w/Dr. Martino Harmon)

"You totally missed your calling" (w/Dr. Martino Harmon)

What does selling tires have to do with higher education? More than you think! In this episode, Dr. Martino Harmon, Vice President for Student Life at the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, describes his circuitous (and fortuitous) career path, how mentors shaped his life and why you should never break a crystal ball! Take a peek inside!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Oct 30, 202352:05
Making the world a better place (w/Paul Brailsford)

Making the world a better place (w/Paul Brailsford)

Although he won’t take rides from strangers, Paul Brailsford’s career has been full of purposeful risk. Co-Founder and CEO of Brailsford & Dunlavey, Paul shares with us how words can impact self-perception, why effort and discipline are vital for success, and what it means to be a good mentor. Plus, we find out what book he gives to all new employees. Come along for the ride!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Oct 16, 202342:14
Keep the promises you make to yourself (w/Dr. Julie Payne-Kirchmeier)

Keep the promises you make to yourself (w/Dr. Julie Payne-Kirchmeier)

What can growing mold teach you about yourself and your career? Julie Payne-Kirchmeier, Vice President for Student Success at Indiana University, has traveled from Howdy to Hoosier and along the way learned that feedback is a gift, doing hard things can’t come at your own expense, to test the water temperature before jumping in, and why it’s advisable to avoid both orange and goat rodeos!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Oct 02, 202349:13
Leverage the talents of people (w/Dr. Liz Gross)

Leverage the talents of people (w/Dr. Liz Gross)

Ever wondered what people think about your university? Dr. Liz Gross, Founder and CEO of Campus Sonar, tells us it’s called “social listening.” Yeah, we didn’t know that either!

In this episode Liz explains why you should present a vision rather than ask for permission, how to create a safe and transparent work culture, and how working in the private sector doesn’t mean you left higher education.

Check it out (and we’ll 'social listen" to find out what you think)!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Sep 18, 202351:37
Extra Credit: Back to the Beginning

Extra Credit: Back to the Beginning

We’re going Rim to Rim! This special Labor Day edition of Campus Confidential features a takeover by the co-producers, Corey and Jen, who step out from behind the scenes to share some candid conversations and juicy tidbits from our first recording session.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Sep 05, 202316:02
Don't get lost in the sauce (w/Student Government Presidents)

Don't get lost in the sauce (w/Student Government Presidents)

This episode reminds us why higher ed matters! Listen in as Student Government Presidents Julia Hatoum (University of Delaware) and Emmie Thompson (University of South Carolina) describe how core values ground their leadership, why small wins can have big impacts, how COVID affected the student experience, and why students should “pour themselves into extracurriculars.”

Seriously, friends, this is a leadership masterclass to kick off the fall semester!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Aug 21, 202351:58
Hard things are not bad things (w/Kelly Schukart)

Hard things are not bad things (w/Kelly Schukart)

What’s the easiest part to your day? For Kelly Schukart, General Manager of Oregon Sports Properties at the University of Oregon, and mother of two busy kids, sometimes it’s work! In this episode, Kelly digs into what she’s learned on her journey from college athlete to sports marketing executive, including takes on the importance of women in leadership, courage in seeking new opportunities, and career curation. It’s game time!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Aug 07, 202351:26
EXTRA CREDIT: Don't click your pen (w/Kelsey Harmon Finn & Loren Rullman)

EXTRA CREDIT: Don't click your pen (w/Kelsey Harmon Finn & Loren Rullman)

Halfway through our first year of Campus Confidential, Kelsey and Loren pause to unpack what they’ve learned – from their guests, about themselves, and about how (and how not!) to do a podcast. They reflect on what it’s been like and what’s to come, describe changes they’ve made behind the scenes, share advice they’ve received, and even apologize to a few guests!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Jul 24, 202332:21
Individual at scale (w/Jim Dwyer)

Individual at scale (w/Jim Dwyer)

Have you ever wondered how to leverage all your life experiences in your higher education career? In this episode, Jim Dwyer, assistant vice president for auxiliary business services at Arizona State University, reveals how learning by doing, wanderlust in the Australian Outback, and even running laps in an airport can teach us all we need to know about more effective leadership. Your boarding pass is ready!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Jul 10, 202354:24
Choose a life of service (w/Eddie Daniels)

Choose a life of service (w/Eddie Daniels)

Feeling a little out of tune? This episode featuring the sharp Eddie Daniels, Assistant VP for Business Services at the University of Florida, is sure to strike a chord. Eddie carries us along on his journey of public service that has rests in government and multicultural affairs along the route to his current leadership role. Along the way, we key in on values like having the courage to change, honoring those who have come before us, and perhaps most importantly, the difference between the clarinet, saxophone, and flute. You flat out don't want to miss this one!

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.


Jun 26, 202349:08
Stay open to possibilities (w/Pam Watts)

Stay open to possibilities (w/Pam Watts)

“Sometimes you have to cross the line to find out where it is.” Cue the mind-blown emoji! This episode – featuring Pam Watts, Executive Director of NIRSA: Leaders in Collegiate Recreation – covers the whole gamut. We talk leading with influence, acknowledging career grief, and where we can find the difference between “I can” and “I can’t.” Plus, some solid last-minute road trip advice – buckle up, listeners.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Jun 12, 202356:06
Moving through fear and change (w/Kelsey and Loren)

Moving through fear and change (w/Kelsey and Loren)

We’ve had the opportunity to get to know a lot of amazing folks in the higher education and leadership fields. Now, in this special holiday weekend episode, we’ll take a moment to pause and peek into the personalities and quirks of your hosts, Kelsey and Loren. They pose some hard questions to each other and ponder their own strengths, preferences, and perceived weaknesses.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

May 29, 202312:36
Design your own experience (w/Elliot Felix)

Design your own experience (w/Elliot Felix)

In this episode, brightspot founder Elliot Felix lets us in on a secret - it’s possible to “de-risk” important decisions through prototyping and self-awareness.  He’s turned this knowledge into a successful higher education advisory firm that has helped thousands of students “get more out of college” (that is when he’s not shelving library books!).

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

May 15, 202347:25
Hope for the future (LIVE at NASPA)

Hope for the future (LIVE at NASPA)

In this episode, recorded live at the annual NASPA conference in Boston, Jim and Bernard describe how mischief-making in college can lead to successful higher education careers, how to be a great mentor for others, and when you just need to “bury the pager” to get someone’s attention.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

May 01, 202354:24
I am always my authentic self (w/President Leah Barrett)

I am always my authentic self (w/President Leah Barrett)

Leah Barrett, President of Northeast Community College, always knew she wanted to be “the boss.” In this episode, she shares what she’s learned over her years of experience as one – listening is more powerful than speaking, disagreement can lead to better solutions, and authenticity is non-negotiable.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Apr 17, 202351:24
It doesn’t storm forever (w/LaNiece Tyree)

It doesn’t storm forever (w/LaNiece Tyree)

When things get tough, LaNiece Tyree reminds us that “it doesn’t storm forever.” With a storied career journey that has led to her current role as Assistant VP of Auxiliary Enterprises at Howard University, LaNiece shares valuable perspectives on accountability, self-awareness, embracing change, and being intentional with words in order to turn red lights into green lights. 


Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Apr 03, 202357:50
Saying the quiet stuff out loud (w/Dr. TJ Logan)

Saying the quiet stuff out loud (w/Dr. TJ Logan)

What happens when you say the quiet stuff out loud? Dr. TJ Logan, associate VP for student life at The Ohio State University, has built a career on speaking necessary truths. In this episode, he shares his insights on how to do so while building credibility, learning when to cash in all your chips, and understanding the nuance of decision-making.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.


Mar 20, 202354:53
Time to shake up the snow globe (w/Dr. Felicia Lee)
Mar 06, 202357:28
What you do is not who you are (w/Dr. Kim D. Harrington)
Feb 20, 202353:37
Welcome to Campus Confidential w/Kelsey and Loren
Feb 06, 202324:26
Introducing Campus Confidential

Introducing Campus Confidential

If you work in higher education, you already know – this sh*t is hard! 

Campus Confidential follows Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman as they dive deep into the real world of higher education leadership. Alongside special guests from across the industry, they share insights about highs and lows, complex personal reflections, and managing change in this dynamic world. By providing a space for community, connection, and vulnerability, Kelsey and Loren aim to validate current leaders, inspire future ones, and ultimately bring the heart back to higher education.

Campus Confidential is presented by Compass Group and produced by Corey Inscoe and Jen Fisher – with your hosts Kelsey Harmon Finn and Loren Rullman.

Dec 19, 202201:41