Clark N Linda Show
By Clark & Linda Winegar
Clark N Linda ShowNov 24, 2018
19. Hallmark Movie vs. Real Life
Do you have a parent struggling with addiction or betrayal trauma? In this episode we answer questions from a listener who is experiencing this in her own family and although we do not have grown children of our own, because ours are still young, we address her difficult yet thoughtful questions. How can you support both the addicted & the betrayed when they are your parents or in-laws? And how do their struggles affect you as their child?
We pray for you and hope you each have a very Merry Christmas, we know that Christ is the reason for all seasons, and is the reason for our healing and recovery. It's been an amazing year of growth and change, thanks for taking this vulnerable, awkward, healing, oversharing roller coaster of a journey with us, we are excited for 2020 we have some great things in store.
THINGS DISCUSSED
- Reading the email.
- Addressing her questions.
- Betrayed's Point of View
- Addicted's Point of View
- Children's Point of View
- Is separation a punishment?
- Example of a Boundary after a lost battle.
- Sorry we don't have time codes or show notes yet, we just wanted to get this episode published ASAP because we know the holidays are hard and didn't want anyone to feel alone because we know this email is not unique to our listener, so time codes will be coming soon!
*A Lost Battle - is described more in the FREE Like Dragons Did They Fight book by Maurice Harker who founded the Men of Moroni Program as well as Life Changing Services. Check them out HERE to learn more and get support. If you are the once betrayed or currently betrayed, you WANT to hear Maurice, he is so validating.
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18. What is a Lost Battle?
What is a "Lost Battle?" What does it mean to the addicted? What does it mean to the betrayed? How can we even talk about it? Can we process a lost battle?
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TIME CODES
- 1:44 - Clark - Welcome and intro
- 3:41 - Linda’s thoughts
- 7:31 - Linda’s reaction to the lost battle
- 9:46 - Conflicting feelings - want to be supportive, but can’t minimize how much it hurts
- 14:21 - If his addiction has nothing to do with me then why does it affect me so much?
- 15:50 - A mom’s reaction vs a wife’s
- 19:24 - Can trust be regained?
- 29:36 - Clark shares what happened
- 43:26 - Clark shares Linda reaction from his point of view
- 45:40 - What to do after?
- Lost battle analysis.
- Embrace Change
- Get Help that’s not your wife
- 54:24 - What I’ve learned - Buckle up. You’re in for some rough times
- 55:14 - Just because you’re on the same team doesn’t mean you won’t fight
- 56:56 - A lot battle doesn’t reset your relationship to ground zero. It puts you in a hole that’s worse than before and you have to dig out.
- 1:05:02 - What to do in your relationship
- 1:05:59 - Be patient
- 1:14:42 - Don’t give up. You WILL feel rejected for a while, but don’t stop reaching out and being nice.
HOMEWORK (1:20:52)
For the addicted: Read through lost battle analysis, even if you haven't lost a battle. (Lost battle analysis can be found in the book linked below)
For the betrayed: Get some self care, maybe a good boxing workout!
*A Lost Battle - is described more in the FREE Like Dragons Did They Fight book by Maurice Harker who founded the Men of Moroni Program as well as Life Changing Services. Check them out HERE to learn more and get support. If you are the once betrayed or currently betrayed, you WANT to hear Maurice, he is so validating.
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17. Healthy Helpful Support - 5 Sisters Who Experience Betrayal Trauma
5 sisters who were first connected through their experience with betrayal trauma, gather together in person for the first time after almost a year of first meeting through a online support group, to strengthen each other. Sharing your story is so hard, and Linda was hesitant to share her story too, these sisters were part of her very first "group," and she instantly bonded with them and they are now closer than friends, they are sisters. Take notes, as these sisters share what they have learned in their journey through courageously reaching out to others.
We were all connected through the WORTH Program from Life Changing Services. Visit to find your own group: https://lifechangingservices.online/worth/
Please remember we got together on our own, this retreat/gathering/training camp was and is not part of the WORTH program, but was amazingly healing.
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TIME CODES
1st Topic: 3:15 - What does isolation look and feel like?
- 9:25 - Sitting in a Rowboat Throwing Marbles at a Battleship Analogy.
- 9:55 - SA Lifeline & Rhyll Croshaw
- 10:00 - Boundaries
- 10:40 - What does your first step look like?
- 12:35 - When you isolate you’re not holding it all, it leaks out in other ways in your life.
2nd Topic: 13:32 - The Miracle of stepping out of isolation.
- 14:24 - How do we reach for the Savior, how do we reach for His help? We do it by reaching to others! When we go to others for help we are inviting miracles into our lives.
- 16:16 - We are wired for connection.
- 20:06 - Group Polos (Marco Polo App) can be a safe place! All of us have cried on a group Polo from our closets.
- 23:30 - Seek healing, take action for yourself!
- 25:20 - We expect people to notice we are struggling, but it’s our job to use our agency to act and speak up and say we are struggling.
3rd Topic: 27:49 How do you gauge who is a safe person to talk to?
- 28:06 - Is this person able to keep confidences? Does their reaction to vulnerable stories make you feel like you’d be safe with them? Do they have a personal investment in the outcome? Ask the Lord to help you know who you could reach out to.
- 31:30 - When we tell our story we tell part of our spouse's story too and we might feel like we can’t or shouldn’t do that, but it is 100% necessary to share our story, our story matters.
- 31:15 - Everyone has their own path.
- 34:10 - This process will help you know who you really are.
- 35:40 - We have the Savior
4th Topic: 36:05 - How to know what support group you need?
- 42:25 - Only Heavenly Father knows how much and who we need on this journey.
- 42:40 - Try out different groups, until you find the right fit.
- 43:26 - Different support groups: SA Lifeline, ARP, Healing Through Christ, Bloom for Women, etc...
- 53:30 - We love our Therapist!
- 54:36 - It takes soooooo much courage.
- 58:50 - There is power in telling and hearing stories.
- 59:50 - Our newest Sister to "D" Day who found support!
HOMEWORK
Reach out and get support! Get out of isolation.
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16. You are Enough - Part 1 - Once Addicted - Exclusively for Podcast Audience
In this episode, Clark and Linda try to help the addicted to overcome Satan’s tactic of getting them to forget who they are and feel worthless. They review scriptures, talks, and even Disney movies that help them remember their divine identity and know they are more than enough. They present homework to help them receive confirmation of their identity directly from Heavenly Father and challenge listeners to try doing daily affirmations as a regular reminder.
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TIME CODES
- 3:19 - Quote from Pres. Thomas S. Monson: “Remember who you are and what God expects you to become. You are a child of promise. You are a man of might. You are a son of God.”
- 3:45 - Clark’s thoughts
- 6:59 - Talk by Elder Tad R. Callister
- 9:41 - “The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching” - John Wooden
- 10:35 - “We sow our thoughts, and we reap our actions; we sow our actions, and we reap our habits; we sow our habits, and we reap our characters; we sow our characters, and we reap our destiny.” - David O McKay
- 11:18 - Proverbs 23.7 “For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he…”
- 12:10 - Why do I feel so bad about myself?
- 14:39 - Elder K Brett Nattress
- 17:15 - Am I a Child of God? By Elder Brian K. Taylor
- 20:11 - Alma 32.27
- 28:00 - Linda’s Digital Printables Shop where she does the baptism invites she mentioned (and lots of other cool stuff) and Scripture Posters for your Arsenal.
- 29:57 - Ether 12.37
- 30:29 - Alma 49.8 -
- 31:17 - Ephesians 6.16
- 31:29 - Alma 26.12
- 31:50 - The Power of Scripture by Elder Richard G. Scott
- 32:49 - Knowing Who You Are by Kevin J Worthen
HOMEWORK: (34:21)
- 34:21 - Homework part 1: Pray and ask, “Father, what do you think of me? Who am I to you?”
- 36:24 - Daily Affirmations w/ Stuart Smalley
- 38:13 - Homework Part 2: Come up with affirmations statements and say them regularly. Ideas can be found at Addressing Pornography.
- 38:45 - Free 100 Affirmations for Men worksheet! PDF
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15. We Told The Kids!
Whether you tell them or not, your kids will sense something is going on. It will affect them even if they don’t say anything. Don’t leave them in the dark. Your family is a team and being vulnerable with those you love makes your connections stronger. In this episode, we talk about why it’s important to share with your kids, how you might want to approach it, and we share what our experience was like, how they reacted, and what we’ve done since to keep our armor strong.
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14. How To Tell Family
An important part of recovery and healing is overcoming shame and being vulnerable with those you love most—your family. In this episode, we talk about why it’s important to share with your family, how you might want to approach it, and we share what our experience was like in sharing.
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13. You've Made A Liar Out Of Me - Exclusively for Podcast Audience
Addiction and Betrayal can make us feel inauthentic as we submit to shame and cover up what we’re going through. It causes us to isolate and avoid others. That lack of honesty and vulnerability makes it harder to connect with others and harder to recover and heal. But as we open up and share our story with those we love it helps us connect and be authentic and speeds the process of recovery and healing. Episode 13 is exclusively for our Podcast listeners!
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12. Get Your Group On
Both the once addicted and the once betrayed have a story to share. We talk about how it went the first time we shared. You may feel you don't have a safe place to to share, but that is a lie that satan gets into our thoughts and emotions to keep us locked in our fear. We share our thoughts about which groups worked for us, please tell us which groups have worked for you?
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11. Sex Fast - Exclusively for Podcast Audience
Exclusive Episode for our podcast listeners only, not available on Youtube. A "sex fast" is such an awkward topic to bring up to your spouse if you're not used to having hard and intimate conversations, Linda had no idea Clark would even do it. See how our experience went and if it's right for you.
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10. What About Lists?
We discuss the importance of daily checklists and goals: How the recovering addict can use the action of “checking boxes” out of duty, fear, or obligation can eventually lead from sobriety to real recovery. And how the once betrayed can use simple, everyday actions of to overcome triggers and find healing regardless of their spouse’s actions.
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9. Don't Taint Good Memories
Merry Christmas! We discuss how addiction and betrayal can taint our good memories and lead to discouragement and despair if we’re not careful and strategies for overcoming that discouragement and preserving good memories.
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8. Help Her Heal
We discuss the Helping Her Heal video from Dr. Weiss. Linda shares how Dr. Weiss validates all of the betrayed’s feelings, emotions, thoughts, actions and reactions through this video. Clark shares how the 6 steps Dr. Weiss shares really do help the addicted to validate the betrayed’s feelings which lead to more productive conversations to help Linda heal. 📓 Show Notes & More Resources - clarknlinda.com
7. Out With The Old, In With The New
6.2. Bonus Content - Recovery while Separated
6. What Are You Afraid Of?
5. Stop Fighting Yourself
4. Honesty Is Key
3. Resources Part 2
2. Resources Part 1
