Customer Secrets
By Tim Van Milligan
Customer SecretsAug 06, 2023
51 - The Essence of Typing People
How most people type others is slow and prone to errors. They use only behavior as their tool to decide the Myers-Briggs personality type of other people. Why? Because behavior is what personality is about.
But if you go deeper, and ask what is behavior, you can get to the core of where personality comes from, and that leads to other methods of typing people.
Behavior is demonstrated by consistent actions. If you do the same thing over and over, that is what behavior is all about. But where do "actions" arise from? They come about because of the decisions we make. So in essence personality is linked to our decisions, and if we can understand decisions we can type more easily.
Most people then ask the question, how do people make decisions? The attempt to that question leads to the study of how the brain works - how it's wired. In the personality world, this leads to the topic of "cognitive functions." There are 8 cognitive functions, and the order in which people rely on them to make decisions is called their cognitive stack. But does knowing how people make decisions lead us to any new methods of typing others?
Instead of asking how people make decisions, what if you asked "why did a person make that particular decision?" This question has an answer. It is because they selected the option which had the most value to them. This opens up the door to studying values.
If you study values, and classify them by the personality temperament of the person making the choices, you will find that people with similar personalities have similar values. This opens up a new way of typing others. You can look at their values, and simply look up in a table which personality temperament would most likely have those values.
This presents a quick way of typing people, because values are easy to view.
And once you know their values, you actually have the motivation of people. You have the "why are they buying?"
So instead of looking at behavior, or going down the dead end road of cognitive functions, if you want a fast and accurate way of typing someone, use "values."
If you would like to learn more about how to type someone, and to also use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type."Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
50 - Why Personality Hasn't Taken Off and Gone Mainstream
You love the subject of personality, and I love it. But most people, particularly business people look down on personality as a tool that could help them explode their sales. They just don't think it will work for them. Why is that? What are they missing? What are the impediments that are clouding their vision?
In this episode, I'll go through the main reason that personality as a tool, hasn't taken off, and why it isn't likely to do so.
The reasons include:
1. Researchers that study human behavior often don't bother to include this component in their research. So they miss the patterns that could actually explain a lot of behavior.
2. Even if they did include it, there is so much "mis-typing" of people, putting them into the wrong category, that would distort the patterns. You wouldn't be able to draw conclusions from the data, if the data was wrong to begin with.
3. Alternate theories of human behavior exist, and these sometimes have some small amount to truth to them that could explain behavior. For example, using demographics like age categories will explain some behavior. But not all... It falls apart quite easily. Other alternate theories of behavior are "birth order" and astrology (zodiac).
4. Even within the type community, many experts will say that behavior can be explained by emotions like shame or levels of self-esteem.
5. The biggest impediment to personality theory as a way of explaining behavior, is the theory that "behavior is learned from parents or environment." This is so engrained into society as gospel truth, that to dislodge it next to impossible.
We go on to explain that behavior comes from our values. These "values" are imprinted in our DNA, and we inherit them. We don't learn them. This is very difficult for people to grasp, because it goes against the theory that we learn everything.
It also doesn't seem fair. As it means that there is a genetic lottery, and we're all losers because we didn't get to pick our values.
But nature has a plan for you. It has given you some tremendous advantages that you have over other people -- if you are willing to accept the limitations you also have been given.
This episode also gives a couple of genetic clues that you can use to type a segment of the population as to their personality temperament.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type."Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
49 - The Difference Between Judging and Perceiving
In the Myers Briggs personality system, the last of the four dichotomies is Judging versus Perceiving. This is designated either by a J or a P in the Myers Briggs code. It is always the last letter in the code. For example, ENFJ or ENFP.
What is the difference between the two destinations? That is the topic of this edition of the Customer Secrets podcast. I think that most of the experts have it wrong, and because of that, they have a hard time distinguishing people. This process of distinguishing people is called "Typing." In other words, it the process of classifying people by their personality type.
In this episode, we'll explain what is the main difference between those people that are perceivers and those that are judgers. And more importantly, since this podcast is about using personality in sales, we'll see how it plays out from that perspective.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type."Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
48 - How to spot a Narcissist using Personality Profiling
Narcissists don't have a badge on their shirt that makes them easy to identify. So how most people identify them is by their behavior. The problem with that, is that by definition, you have to interact with them consistently to learn their behavior. At that point, you've probably been trapped in their web. Now you have the problem of extracting yourself from that spider's web. The best way of dealing with the narcissist is to avoid them in the first place. But that means you need an alternative method of identifying them besides using "behavior."
Thankfully, we have the tools of personality that can help us. From my own observations, narcissists usually come from just two of the 16 Myers Briggs personality types. So you don't have to worry as much about people from the other 14 types. In this episode, I'll explain how we know the narcissist usually comes out from these two types, and the we'll give you two huge clues that you can use to identify them just by sight. So imagine walking through a crowded street, and looking at the faces of the strangers and being able to pick out the potential narcissists. If you can isolate them prior to engaging with them, you'll control the situation, instead of letting them control you and your feelings.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
If you would like to be typed by me, live on this podcast, please reach out to me. The service is free because we'll use it to train other listeners on how to type people.
47 - Competing Against ChatGPT and A.I. search engines
How is A.I. content generation sites, like ChatGPT, going to change internet search? We need visitors to come to our sites, so that they can discover all the products and services we offer. But A.I. based search engines are going to "eat all of the clicks." They are going to give the searcher answers, so that they don't have to visit a number of websites to find the information they seek. It is what google does in the "Answer Box", but it will be 1000X more effective for searchers. They won't be clicking over to our websites because the answers are going to be given to them by the A.I.
Here is the take-away: "In essence, we're going to be competing for visitors against the A.I." Not only are we competing against other website owners, but not we have to outsmart the bots too. And they are infinitely smarter, as they have to collective wisdom of every website ever created. In the very near future, the term "Ranking," and the whole process of S.E.O. is going to be dead. We won't rank because the answer will be given by the A.I.
I think we're going to lose this battle, unless we can offer something that the A.I. can't. Something that real humans want, but that an A.I. can't offer (yet). In this episode, we're going to talk about how to use A.I. content on our websites, and then use the tool itself to beat the A.I. at getting visitors to our sites.
If you'd like to join in the conversation, please reach out to me. I'd like to hear your thoughts too.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
If you would like to be typed by me, live on this podcast, please reach out to me. The email address is in the episode. The service is free because we'll use it to train other listeners on how to type people.
46 - Thinking about Your Thinking
I've been listening to a Dan Sullivan podcast, where he talks about "Thinking about your thinking." When hearing that phrase, I didn't quite understand what he was getting at. So I had to ponder it, and come up with my own way of rephrasing it. More importantly, why should you challenge the assumptions and beliefs that you have?
When researching this podcast, I posed the question of "what is thinking" to ChatGPT. And the A.I. gave me a peculiar response. It mentioned four types of thinking: Analytical thinking, Creative thinking, Critical thinking, and Reflective thinking. But whenever I hear of "4 types," my brain perks up and I automatically think about how this might relate to the four different personality temperaments. Which led me to the question: do each of the four temperaments have a preferred method of thinking?
We also pondered the question of how to use ChatGPT to make money by writing specific messages to the different personality types. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, as I think it is the future of personality. Particularly, it is the practical application of putting personality into everyday situations.
Finally, we pondered the question of whether or not ChatGPT will stay free, or if you'll eventually have to pay to use it. My bet is that it will stay relatively free. I give my reason in the podcast.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type."Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
45 - What's the difference between the preferences of Thinking and Feeling
What is the real difference between someone with the Thinking preference versus a person with the Feeling preference? Is it that one person is logical and the other illogical? Or is, as is termed by the BIG-5 system that one person Agreeable, and the other person is not an agreeable person? I'll give you my thoughts, and I welcome your opinions as well. Please leave a comment below.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
44 - Dealing with Difficult People Using the Tool of Personality
There are lots of YouTube videos out there about how to deal with difficult people. But this one is different, in that we're going to use Personality. What this gives us is new information about the difficult person. Armed with this new information, we can now come up with a strategy to deal with them, so that we don't face difficult situations in the future.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of personality to be more persuasive and effective in your relationships, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
43 - What is Personality Development?
In the world of personality, you'll often hear the phrase "Personality Development." But what does that really mean?
If you go to YouTube and search on the phrase, you'll see videos about how to increase your charisma, or how to be liked and not be boring to other people. If you go to videos that are specifically about Myers Briggs, you'll see videos about how to "flex" your cognitive functions so you can be adaptable in a variety of situations. But if you go to psychology websites, you'll find that personality development is very close to "human development," where you start out as a clump of cells and eventually turn into something human.
With a clear lack of a definition, I'm going to give you my take on this topic, and tell you why that I think they are all wrong.
But... Why is this important? And how does it relate to sales and persuasion? If you'd like to know more, listen in.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of persuasion more effectively, and stop believing the half-truths that are holding you back, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
42 - The Future of Typing People
The common way of typing a person's personality is to use "behavior." It is either looking at the four dichotomies from Myers Briggs in an individual manner, or by looking at the Cognitive Functions of the person. What is in vogue right now is definitely the cognitive functions method. Unfortunately, it is complex, because there are eight cognitive functions, and the ordering of them (called the stack) is also important. There is so much misinformation, that it is no wonder that people are often mis-typed.
The future of typing has already been in place for about 20 years now. That is to use a person's values as the data set for determining temperament.
Once you have temperament, you have two of the four letters in their Myers' Briggs code. And they are the two most important, because they determine a person's values. This episode gives a broad overview of the typing situation, and what you will do next, after typing a person.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of persuasion more effectively, and stop believing the half-truths that are holding you back, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
41 - Do People Really Buy "Emotionally?"
This episode was a carryover to my blog that I wrote previously. It was about the phrase that we've all heard that goes: People Buy Emotionally, and Justify with Logic.
It that phrase true? I don't think so. In this episode, I make for the case, that at best, it is a half-truth. It seems to be true, but when we start breaking it down, we find that it isn't quite as nice-and-tidy that we think it is. People do justify with logic - that part is true. But do they really buy emotionally?
Listen in, and find out why I believe that this little half-truth is so insidious. It is worse than a outright lie, because once you recognize a falsehood, you are likely to seek out the real truth. With a half-truth, you don't take any further action, and the truth remains hidden. Therefore, since you never discover the truth, you end up following advice that is inefficient, or worse, advice that may be counterproductive.
If you would like to learn more about how to use the tools of persuasion more effectively, and stop believing the half-truths that are holding you back, I suggest my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." You can also get my book "Selling By Personality Type." Additionally, you can also stay current on the latest developments in sales and personality by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
Episode 40 - Using Personality During The Hiring Process
Are you looking to hire an employee and considering giving them a personality assessment? The official guidance from the Myers Briggs organization is an emphatic "NO! Don't do it." However, if you talk to someone that is a proponent of the D.I.S.C. personality assessment, they say "YES! Do it."
So who's advice should you follow?
In this episode, I'm going to take up this question, and give you a different perspective on using personality in hiring. It will come from a person that has used assessments in the past to try to figure out what makes people tick. The results were basically useless. I'll tell you why, and then two solutions to the problem that you might consider.
Mentioned in this episode is my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type." I recommend it for people that would like to learn both how to type other people, and better yet -- those that want to be able to persuade other people.
If you don't have time to view the course, the alternative is to get the book "Selling By Personality Type." You can also stay current on the latest developments in typing by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
Episode #39 - Do you feel tied down by a salesman?
This episode is the announcement of my course: "Easy Selling Using Personality Type."
One reason I created it was because I'm tired of the way salesmen twist the dagger of shame in the backs of prospects during the close portion of the presentation. They find out what a customer thinks is important, and then later when it comes time to close the sale, they bring that same thing back up again. If you don't agree to close the sale, then you are shameful, and are a liar because you said that is what you thought was important.
Going through this type of situation is very unpleasant for prospects. It is exactly what gives sales people a bad name. This is the HARD SELL technique in action.
I think there is a better way of closing the sale, without bringing shame to the customer. In this podcast, we'll talk about my personal strategy, and what you'll learn in the course: Easy Selling Using Personality Type.
If you would like to learn more about typing someone else, and more importantly, what to do with the information after you've typed them, get the book "Selling By Personality Type." You can also stay current on the latest developments in typing by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
A.I. in Persuasive Copywriting - Are we there yet?
I've tried out several copywriting websites that have A.I. create text in an attempt to reuse old articles I've written. I've wanted to take 20-year old content, and update it for a new audience. What did I discover in this process?
The big take-away was that I figured out the process, or what might be the method that current state-of-the-art A.I. uses to generate new content.
My question during that exercise was: are we at the point where A.I. is as good as a human copywriter in generating compelling text that could be used to get prospects to open up their wallets? If it is, will I be out of a job in the future? Or if it isn't, what are the flaws in A.I. generated text? That is what I'll talk about in this episode of the Customer Secrets podcast.
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Also visit the Customer Secrets website for more information on Personality typing.
Episode 37 - Typing an ISFJ: An interview with Elzie Flenard
In this episode, we're talking to Elzie Flenard, the mayor of the website: Podcast town.
Elzie is an ISFJ personality type in the Myers-Briggs system personality nomenclature. That means he has the following preferences: Introversion, Sensing, Feeling, and Judging. How do we know this? Because we've gone through the process of typing him. We looked for the clues that he gives off as he is talking. Everyone gives off clues to their personality type, and if you are observant, you can pick them up and figure out what type they are. The most important clues are the ones that reveal their "temperament." These are important, because people with a similar temperament have similar values (guiding principles). We can deduce their values if we can figure out what temperament they have. And we want to know their values, because that is what they use to make purchasing decisions. If you know ahead of time what they value, how much easier do you think it will be to sell to them? Right! It is a lot easier. You're already inside their head and you know what will turn them on.
At the end of the interview, we'll review the clues that Elzie gives off, and how you might use them in persuasion situations that you may be in with other people of the ISFJ personality type.
You can reach out to Elzie at his website: https://www.podcasttown.net
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Also visit the Customer Secrets website for more information on Personality typing.
Episode 36 - Typing an INTJ: An interview with Richard Lau
In this episode, we're talking to Richard Lau, the force behind the website logo.com
In this interview, we have several objectives for you as you learn about the process of typing other peoples personality. Most importantly, listen for their values. What are the "guiding principles" that this person believes will bring them success in life. This will be the big clue as to what personality temperament that are placed into. Once you know this temperament, you can associate it with other things, like; specific words or phrase usage, themes that they talk about, and the style (tone, intonation, jargon) that they say those words.
At the end of the interview, we'll review the clues that Richard gives off, and how you might use them in persuasion situations that you may be in with other people of the INTJ personality type.
You can reach out to Richard at his website: https://www.logo.com/
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Also visit the Customer Secrets website for more information on Personality typing.
Episode 35 - Typing the INTJ: An interview with Greg Kihlström - Career Gig Entrepreneur
In this episode, we're talking to Greg Kihlström, the entrepreneur behind the company careergig.com. This is a platform for freelancers looking for work, but with the advantage that they offer benefits like health and life insurance to their clients.
In this interview, we have several objectives for you the listener. First, listen for the values that Greg has that he believes lead to success in life. These values are a big clue as to his personality temperament. Second, listen to the ideas and strategies that Greg uses in his own business. After all, if he has the secret sauce for success, wouldn't it be wise to learn what he has already figured out? And finally, you should listen for other clues to Greg's personality type (INTJ) in the words that he uses, the style of his speech, and the themes that he likes to talk about.
At the end of the interview, we'll review the clues that Greg gives off, and how you might use them in persuasion situations that you may be in with other people of the INTJ personality type.
Reach out to Greg on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstrom/, or his website: https://www.gregkihlstrom.com/
Greg has also written the books: The Center of Experience, The Agile brand, The Agile Customer. He is also the host of the podcast The Agile World.
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Visit the Customer Secrets website for more information on Personality typing.
Episode 34 - Typing the ISTJ: An interview with Matt Decoursey - Host of the Startup Hustle Podcast
In this episode, we're talking to Matt Decoursey. He is a founding partner of the company Full Scale, and also the post of the popular podcast called Startup Hustle. We're going to learn Matt's success secrets for business, which are also the values that are typical of the person with the ISTJ personality temperament. So as you listen to this, pay particular attention to the guiding principles that Matt thinks are important for success. You can use these same principles when you are selling to other people that have the "Logistical" personality temperament.
Matt Decoursey can be reached at: https://www.facebook.com/fullscalekc or at https://fullscale.io. His podcast Startup Hustle is found at: https://startuphustle.xyz
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Visit the Customer Secrets website
Episode 33 - Battling With an ESTP - Entrepreneurial Coach Vanessa Zamy
In this episode, we'll be typing entrepreneurial coach Vanessa Zamy. What she does is to help people launch a new business while still keeping their day job.
The reason we type people is that we want to stay consistent with the first step in either sales or marketing. That first step is to understand and know exactly who the customer is. By typing a person's personality, we have a doorway into what that customer values. Once you know what guiding principles they live by, you can develop a plan to sell to that type of person more effectively.
What makes this episode special is that it doesn't go the direction I had planned. The wheels, so to speak, got off the rails, and the interview turned into a small skirmish over which personality type our guest really is. I violated one of the laws of personality, and I hope that you can learn from my mistake so that you don't suffer the same fate -- which is to lose a sale.
Vanessa Zamy can be reached at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/launchwithzamy
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Visit the Customer Secrets website
Episode 32 - Typing the ESFP Personality Temperament - An interview with presentation coach Brenden Kumarasamy
In this episode, we interview presentation coach Brenden Kumarasamy, and get to know his secrets which he uses when interacting with his own customers. At the same time, we'll go through the clues that he gives off that tell us his Myers-Briggs personality type.
For more information, check out Brenden's YouTube Channel: MasterTalk
Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon. Visit the Customer Secrets website
Episode 31 - Typing Personality: Scott Aaron - An ESTP Warrior Connection Coach
I this episode, we're going to accomplish two objectives. We're going to go through the process of typing someone else's personality temperament through a simple conversation. The objective is to listen for those guiding principles that the person believes will lead to success. In simple terms, these 'guiding principles' are what we call a person's "values." Each of the four individual personality temperaments has a set of common values that are different from the other three temperaments. When a person talks, those values naturally come out. We just have to tune our brain to listen for them. Once you hear and recognize them, you can type the person simply based on the values. It is like a game of bingo. When you hear the other person express a "value," you can check it off on the bingo card. When you have enough of the values, you can shout out "BINGO" - which means: "I've typed you!"
Instead of typing someone based on their "behavior," we're going deeper and typing them based on their "values." The advantage is that it is faster and more accurate.
The person we're typing in this episode, who is our guest, is Scott Aaron. The other objective in this episode is to listen to the secrets that Scott shares on how to be successful when you're reaching out to others on social media. He is a business owner with a 23 year background in health, wellness, personal training and personal coaching. He now does online consulting and coaching for entrepreneurs looking to build their business, brands and impact via the means of LinkedIn.
- To reach out to Scott, see his webpage at: https://scottaaron.net
- Get Tim's book: Selling by Personality Type on Amazon.
- Visit the Customer Secrets website
Episode #30 - Stop Hate For Profit Campaign
There is a campaign going on here in the month of July, 2020 called #StopHateForProfit. The purpose of it is to get facebook to change their algorithm that determines what is shown to people in their newsfeeds. Instead of the algorithm feeding people things that they might agree with, they want facebook to insert political correct posts that the readers should be seeing. If facebook capitulates to this demand, they might as well close up shop now. Whatever you might think of facebook, they have a sound business model. It is the platinum rule: "do unto others what they wish to have done to them."
In this episode, I discuss the facebook algorithm, and how it is a sound strategy as it is based on the laws of personality marketing.
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Episode 29 - Get Woke - Go Broke
Earlier this year, before the Corona Virus shutdown happened, the economy in the USA was booming. But behind the walls of Nike Corporation, there is looming panic. Their sales are plummeting. They reported at the end of June 2020 that they lost $790million while their sales dropped like a stone from $10.18Billion to $6.31Billion. How is this happening? What did they do wrong?
What they did wrong was to violate the first law of sales and marketing. That law is: "Who is the customer?" They didn't know who they were selling to. And just as importantly, they didn't know what their customers valued.
Because they didn't know what their customers valued, they unknowingly attacked those values. And when you attack anyone's values, it always triggers the emotion of anger. And the anger was directed at the attacker - Nike Corporation.
In this episode, we're going to discuss the emotion of "shame" and how it is triggered. If it is wrongly triggered, as what Nike was attempting to do, it leads to anger. That is why I try to stay away from sales techniques that could accidentally trigger shame. I stay away from values solicitation questions, because it is too tempting to throw the values back into the face of the customer, which is what the shame trigger is all about.
If you want to learn more information, see the book: Selling by Personality Type from Amazon. Or come to our website at: CustomerSecrets.com
Episode 12 - Break Out Of Other People's Marketing Channels
Here is the thing that bugs me about marketing experts. They tell you that knowing the customers is the first and most important thing you should do. And then immediately in the next sentence, they are giving you tactics on what to do next. If knowing your customer is so critically important, then why do they jump right over that skill?
In this episode, I'll lead off discussing that issue. Then I'll get into the topic that is next in the marketing expert's repertoire. That is: "marketing channels."
Big companies, like Google, Facebook, Amazon, LinkIn all want you to think that you have to go through them and their channels to get to your prospects. This is "channel marketing." The thing that they don't tell you is that they will charge you a toll to use their channel.
When you break out of their channel, your profits go up, because you're not paying them their toll. And another miraculous thing happens - "YOU" become a channel that other merchants would love to use to get to the same customers. When you are the "channel," they will pay you the "toll." So your profits climb even higher!
How do you become a "channel" that other merchants would love to pay you for access to customers? It goes back to that first and most important aspect of the selling process: "knowing the customer."
The person that has the most knowledge of the customer is the channel. That is why Google, Facebook, Amazon, and LinkIn all grew so big. They have inside knowledge of the customer. It is time that you get even deeper knowledge of the customer so you have the edge and break out of their marketing channels.
Episode 28 - Typing Someone Based On the Words They Use
If you're in a face-to-face sales situation, where you can observe the other person's behavior for long periods of time, how do you type them? The only clues you have to work with are the words that they use when they speak to you, or the written correspondence they may send to you.
In a previous episode, I talked about the 5-step method of typing someone. Just for reference, those steps were:
- Playing the percentages - The population isn't evenly split up between the four different personality temperaments. Two temperaments make up about 76% of the population. So that is where you should "guess" first.
- Context - Why context as a clue? Because people are magnetically drawn to some situations, and repulsed by others. This can give you a clue to their personality type.
- Eliminate Obvious Mis-matches - There is almost only one personality temperament group that you can eliminate quickly because there are no clues to support them being in that temperament. By eliminating one or two temperament types, you've increased the odds of nailing their personality temperament immensely.
- "The Look." - Personality temperament is genetic. It leaves physical clues on people. By reading those clues, you can use to narrow down their personality type by simply looking at them in a photograph.
- How they Talk - This is what we're talking about in this episode. We're going deep here...
In the "How they talk" category, we're going to look/listen for four different sets of clues. They are:
- The Theme - the general type of things that they talk about.
- The Style - How they express the theme.
- Specific phrases or words that they are use that are associated with a specific temperament
- The values that they hold up to be success principles. - This is the final arbitrator that we'll use to specifically type them. So if there is any ambiguity when typing them, this is the category that will put the final nail in the coffin - so to speak. Personality temperament and "values" are just different sides of the same coin. By knowing either, you can deduce the other.
In this specific episode, we're going to look at the temperament that I call the "Warriors." For reference, the definition of this temperament is the person that has the Sensing-Perceiving traits from Myers-Briggs. I also call them the S-P types.
Episode 27 - The other side of Storytelling: "Why listen to a boring story?"
In selling, professionals are told that story telling is one of the keys to making an emotional connection with customers, as it bypasses the logic-center of their brain. But nobody talks about the reason why customers are listening to those boring stories. What is in it for them?
When you understand the reason that customers have for listening to stories, you as a salesman can craft better stories that will get to the point a lot faster. Here's a hint... You have to know the personality temperament of your prospect so you know which type of story will resonate with them better.
The other question I want to ask it this podcast, because I'm a contrarian (and a poor story teller), is this: "Is there a more effective way to make that emotional connection with customers than telling stories?" The answer, obviously is yes. There is a far more powerful way to get to that point, and much quicker too.
If you'd like more information on using personality in selling, get the book: "Selling by Personality Type" from Amazon. For the price of a trip to Starbucks, you'll be years ahead of your competition.
Episode 26 - Typing the SP Person by Recognizing Upspeak
The term "up-speak" refers to the tendency when talking to end sentences with a rising tone of voice. It is also called "high rising terminal" talking if you happen to google it. This episode is about using this particular behavior as a clue which allows you to instantly type someone as having the preferences of Sensing (S), Feeling (F), and Perceiving (P) in their Myers-Briggs personality nomenclature.
This little give-away of a person's way of talking means you can type this particular person in just a few seconds of meeting them, or just hearing their voice on a podcast. Once you know a person's personality type, you know their values (guiding principles). That is the real power of personality marketing (and sales): "personality and values" are linked together. If you know one, you really know the other too. Just imagine how much quicker you can make the sale if you already know ahead of time what your prospect values. You can skip all the small talk that you used to have gone through just to discover their values. Now you can slip right into the discussion of why they might prefer the product or service that you're selling, because it aligns with what they already value. You're going to save so much time and make a lot more money selling!
We also discuss, in this episode, about the general process of typing a person. In actuality, we're not really looking for these little short-cuts like upspeak, but rather we're looking for what their guiding principles are. But if you get a little clue that presents itself like "up-speak," you can type them a lot faster.
If you would like to learn more about typing someone else, and more importantly, what to do with the information after you've typed them, get the book "Selling By Personality Type." You can also stay current on the latest developments in typing by subscribing to this podcast and also visiting our website: CustomerSecrets.
Episode 25: The Warrior Personality Temperament and Their Value of Stories
In episode 24, we started a discussion about the differences in sales bots and humans. Sales bots, like Amazon are killing it right now. If we want to sell more, it is important to note that the other things that Bots don't do. It just might be that the things that humans do might just be the reason that we find it so difficult to make a sale.
Previously, we noted that sales bots don't ask questions. Another thing that Bots don't do is tell stories. But humans do; particularly the people that have the Warrior personality temperament. They value storytelling. To them, it is a guiding principle that they live their lives by. It brings success. Why is that? What is it about stories that allows the warriors to be successful in life?
What you'll here in this episode are both the positive and the negative aspects about telling stories. And you'll learn how to make a connection and report quickly with a person that has the Warrior personality temperament.
Episode 24 - The Bots are Killing it! What they DON'T Do That Humans Screw Up?
Online sales increase every year, while offline sales stagnate. Obviously, the A.I. bots are doing something right. Not so obvious is what they don't do that humans are. The question should be: "What are we as humans doing that is screwing up our chances of making the sale?"
This is a question that few people are asking. The reason they don't ask, is that if we find out the real answer, and it goes against everything we've been taught, it is going to cause us a lot of embarrassment.
We're not here to embarrass you. We're here to help you make more sales. But in order to do that, we need to confront the assumptions we've been making about the sale process, and test them to see if they are really true. Today you'll hear for the first time -- a specific bedrock sales principle that everyone assumes to be true -- put to the test. It is radical and counter-intuitive. And if you say it out loud, other salespeople will think you're absolutely crazy. Fortunately, nobody will know you've listen to this episode, so you'll be able to try the little experiment that we propose to see if it will work for you.
You may not agreee. That is OK. Today we just want you to challenge a widely-held assumption about sales. Buckle up cowboy. This is a rough ride.
Episode 23 - Why hasn't Personality Marketing Taken Off?
What are the reasons that personality marketing tactics have not been successful in the past? What is different about what we're doing here? Does it really work?
These are the questions we're going to tackle in this episode.
Michael starts off this episode with his journey in his search for the tool that would help him get to know his customers. It is pretty impassioned, and will have you feeling that you are probably going through the same situation. The truth is that we all have had the same experience. We've all researched personality in the past. and we found it -- to use the words that Michael used -- to be "fluff."
So we'll look at why they are fluff. We'll ask the tough question: "what did they miss that we found?" It isn't a pretty episode. We're going to call out the other guys for feeding us half-truths. A half-truth is far worse than a lie, because it is so easy to be taken in. We'll tell you the assumption that they've used, and how that assumption has killed your chances of succeeding.
Episode 22 - Factoids about the MBTI and the Big-5 Personality Systems
I recently read an article by Dario Nardi called "Factoids re MBTI® instrument and 16 Types" and I wanted to discuss a few key points that Dario brings up. He is of the "Strategist" personality temperament, meaning that in his Myers-Briggs type, he has the letters N and T. The "N" is for Intuition, and the "T" is for Thinking.
Not only are we discussing the points of his article -- which I agree with -- but I also want you to pick up what is important to the person with the "Strategist" temperament. When you know what is important to that type of person, it gives you a short-cut to marketing and selling to them.
But getting back to his article, he brings up several great points. The one that I find to be most important is that behavior is based not only on your learning and experiences, but it is 40-to-50% based on your personality. What this means is that what your customers do is not just based on their past and how they grew up, but it is also based on "instinctive traits" that they are born with. If you as a marketer or salesman are using these personality traits in your selling, you will have a huge advantage over your competition.
I also talk about our facebook group, which is called Personality Marketeers. Check it out for Michaels daily facebook live discussions.
Also be sure to check out our blog at Customer Secrets website.
Episode 21 - Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Personality Based Selling
In this episode, Michael Abdo and Tim Van Milligan talk about how artificial intelligence works. But more than that, we'll talk about how it has changed marketing because it allows you to target specific customers that have values that match your own.
But the thing about AI, is that right now it is like a child. Without specific training, it it dumb. It needs a lot of data for it to be useful. An example we talk about in the show is how an A.I. bot identified people with high intelligence. How did it do that? It identified those people that "liked" on facebook a particular picture of curly-fries (Here is a link to the research: https://www.ted.com/talks/jennifer_golbeck_the_curly_fry_conundrum_why_social_media_likes_say_more_than_you_might_think). Now do all smart people like curly fries? Of course not. And lots of people with low I.Q. love curly fries too. Does that also give them high I.Q.?
A.I.-Bots need lots of data to sort through to find the commonality. But they don't give you the "why" answer that you are looking for. It is still up to a human to interpret the results the bot comes up with, and to determine if they make sense. Otherwise, you'll assume everyone has high I.Q., because they love curly fries (who doesn't like curly fries???).
The issue with A.I. is that governments are cracking down on its use. When given a large enough data set, it can clearly identify an individual, and tell you what personality type and therefore the values that the person hold to be important. They don't want that information in the hands of marketers (us included). That's not a problem for us... because we know how to type people without a huge dataset. That's why you will want to subscribe to this podcast, because we'll show you how to do it.
Episode 20 - Predicting the Future of Personality Marketing
What is on the horizon for where personality marketing is going? We're going to make predictions on what we think you'll see coming in the world of advertising and marketing. But the pace of change is happening so quickly, that some of our predictions are already here. Did you know there is already an app that will tell you the personality type of that woman you want to connect with on Linkedin. Not only that, but the app will give you phrases to use that match her personality, so that she'll be more likely to accept the pitch you're making.
So what else is coming?
We also discuss how you can type a person by the clothes that they wear. Find out how by listening now.
At the end of the episode, we are giving out a special offer for a free book called: "Emotional Copywriting Revealed." This book is our free gift to those of you that would like to learn more about using personality marketing, and are willing to participate in the discussion by joining our facebook group called "Personality Marketers".
Can you type a person by their shoes? According to the research, yes you can. Click here for details.
Episode 19 - The most common mistake people make when taking a personality questionnaire
Why is it that people can't seem to dial in on their true personality type? Why is it that they seem to jump from one set of personality traits to another, each time they take a personality assessment? Does personality really change like that? And why is it that people think that being in the middle on a particular trait, like half-way between an introvert and an extrovert is the optimum for a human being? These are the types of questions we'll discuss in this episode.
At the end of the episode, we are giving out a special offer for a free book called: "Emotional Copywriting Revealed." This book is our free gift to those of you that would like to learn more about using personality marketing, and are willing to participate in the discussion by joining our facebook group called "Personality Marketers".
Episode 18 - What is the Best Personality Assessment to Take?
One of the common complaints about taking personality quizzes is that they don't seem to be consistent. Every time you take one, you might come back with a different set of personality traits. One time you might be an ENFP, and the next time it comes back saying you're a ENFJ. Which is it? Which is more accurate?
In this episode of the Customer-Secrets podcast, we'll tackle that question and why written assessments are prone to change every time you take one. And we'll discuss how modern technology has changed the landscape making written questionnaires almost useless. And then we'll predict what the future is in store for personality typing.
Finally, we'll discuss personality theory, and how a "theory" can be tested by making accurate predictions of another person's behavior. We're relying on this theory being accurate, because it is the basis for the methods we use to make selling and persuasion more efficient and easier. Once you have the theory down, your ability to persuade increases to the point of it being totally "unfair." Your competitors don't stand a chance against you. So You may have to make a conscious effort not to use the persuasion methods we talk about here too often, or everyone will think that your success is based on you manipulating other people. In reality, it is based on a deeper understanding of the personality of your customer, and what they value.
At the end of the episode, we are giving out a special offer for a free book called: "Emotional Copywriting Revealed." This book is our free gift to those of you that would like to learn more about using personality marketing, and are willing to participate in the discussion by joining our facebook group called "Personality Marketers".
Episode 17 - What You Can Do Differently Than Cambridge Analytica?
Cambridge Analytica used personality data on a massive scale to influence the 2016 Presidential elections. They proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that using psychographic marketing really does work. If you're not using it in your business to attract and to get customers to take action by buying your products, you're ignoring a new scientific tool that has infinite upside potential.
What Cambridge Analytica had was access to Facebook's data on customers, and they were able to exploit this information on a country-wide scale. Because of what they did, Facebook got their hand slapped and they were forced to close off access to customer information. This is also why such regulations like the GDPR rules in Europe are now in effect.
What can you do to use personality marketing in a climate like this where data is restricted? That is what we're talking about in this episode. What are we doing differently here at Customer Secrets that gives you the benefits of personality marketing without have to have access to someone's personal and private data?
At the end of the episode, we are giving out a special offer for a free book called: "Emotional Copywriting Revealed." This book is our free gift to those of you that would like to learn more about using personality marketing, and are willing to participate in the discussion by joining our facebook group called "Personality Marketers".
Episode 16 - Does Personality Marketing Really Work?
"The scientific evidence is consistent and clear: one can increase the effectiveness of marketing messages and other types of persuasive communication by tailoring them to people’s psychological profiles” - Harvard Business Review (May 2, 2018). https://hbr.org/2018/05/what-marketers-should-know-about-personality-based-marketing
We're answering the question in this episode about what proof do we have that psychometric marketing really works. The proof comes from the results of the presidential election in 2016. It was how a company called Cambridge Analytica was able to influence the election by getting fence-sitters to get out and vote for their candidate. What everyone is appalled about is the "how" they were able to get psychographic information on hundreds of millions of voters by scraping the "Likes" of millions of facebook users. However, what gets lost in the discussion is that this type of marketing really and truly works and gets results.
Why Cambridge Analytica was successful is that they understood that personality is more than just behavior. Personality is linked to what person considers important. That is why they went after the "likes" that people made on facebook. When you click the "like" button, you are indicating that the topic is important to you. You don't click that button on the things you don't like, right? The key concept here is that personality is more than just behavior, it is about what you value.
Once they had your personality locked down, the next step that Cambridge Analytical did was to craft 32 different messages that would appeal to each one of the personality types. What they couldn't do was to change what you considered valuable. But they could make the message that aligned with what you already thought was valuable. In other words, the message they created for "you" was something that you would consider important. That specific message to you was meant to get you to do two things - click the like button, and get you to vote for their candidate.
Also in this episode, our new host, Michael Abdo asks Tim Van Milligan how he got his start in using personality as a way of persuading people. Once Tim started down the path, he also describes the roadblocks that prevented him from getting to the final piece of the puzzle in understanding personality.
Additional References:
Here are some additional videos that describe the Cambridge Analytica scandal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc - Alexander Nix explains the process his company used to go after voters "one-at-a-time" by marketing to the personality profiles of the individual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6-xz-geH4 - Christopher Wylie, a data analyst and whistle blower tells how Cambridge Analytica helped Donald Trump win by scraping data from millions of facebook users.
Episode 15 - Questioning for Personality
Why do people hate dealing with salespeople?
The reason is that salespeople are taught to ask questions. Sounds harmless, doesn't it. What is so controversial as a "question?"
But there is one negative aspect of asking questions that nobody talks about. That is this: "questions demand engagement." By engagement, I mean that the recipient of the question has to stop what they are doing, and address the question. Even choosing not to respond takes a conscious effort that only happens after you've had to stop what you're doing.
People hate to be interrupted. And that is what questions do. They interrupt.
Do you ever pick up a telephone, and the first words you hear are: "how are you doing today?" You know it is a salesperson on the other end, right? They simply can't help but to blurt out a question in order to drive your participation in the conversation. Whether you want to talk to them or not. They force it on you by starting out with a question.
Since salespeople are the one asking the questions, the hatred is of being interrupted is transferred to them. See why people don't like dealing with salespeople?
In this episode, we'll go deep into this discussion, and try to come up with a better way of approaching the prospect without getting them riled up by forcing an engagement.
Episode 14 - Typing the Person with the ISFP personalty profile
"Personality" is a leading indicator. That means it can show up in a room, even before a person enters the room. It is like the light from the headlights on your automobile. Even before you can see the car on a dark road, you know that a car is approaching you because the light from the headlights is penetrating the darkness. You don't need to meet a person, to get a clue to their personality type. Their personality is already penetrating the area they are coming in to.
What are some of the clues to a person's personality? Where would you find them?
In this episode, I will give you some of the clues that came to me from a job candidate that I was interviewing for a position I was hiring for. One of the big sources of clues to the candidates personality was the resume that they submitted ahead of time. Even before the person spoke to me, I already knew with a high degree of certainty that they had the S-F-P letters in their Myers Briggs personality profile. The "S" is for "Sensing, the "F" stands for "Feeling," and the "P" stands for "Perceiving." The only letter missing was the first one. That came a short time later when they started talking in the actual interview. In just a couple of short sentences, I could pick up that they were an introvert. That gave the file letter, the "I" for introversion, in the four letter personality code.
The hard part of typing is that you probably don't know what the clues are that people give off. That is what you'll discover in this podcast episode.
Episode 13 - What do Customers Really Want
You may have heard that customers want "value," and therefore you should be building value when presenting your product or service.
I'm a contrarian salesperson, so I don't always agree with the standard wisdom that we've all been taught as gospel. In this case, I think building value is 80% correct. What's missing is the "values." There is a big difference between building value and what I want to discuss in this episode, which is "promoting values."
Promoting values is that extra piece that is missing in the sales presentation. It allows you to start at where the customer is at, and move them forward by showing them that you are on their side and want to move their values forward.
"I Want To Think About It" Excuse You Get From Customers
In selling, when you ask for the sale, you'll often get the response from the customer that goes: "I want to think about it."
Why are you getting that response? And what can you do about it?
The most likely reason you're getting the response is because there is a clash in values that is causing the customer to want to get away from you. Find out more by listening now.
Episode 10 - 5-Step Typing Process
Making That Emotional Connection
This is a good strategy to use in selling. But what emotions?
What are the tactics that you use to implement this strategy? How do you trigger the emotions when you are selling?
For that matter, what “emotions” are you supposed to trigger?
There is a gap between the strategy and the tactics that left me wanting. I am a logistical person, and I need a step-by-step process of doing “something” that will help me put into practice that strategy of making that emotional connection with my prospect.
In this episode, we'll discuss the 10 emotions that you can identify on the faces of people you come in contact with. You'll also learn how to trigger those emotions by making them aware of their values.
You will learn how to make an emotional connection by interacting with the values of your customers.
More information and show notes at: customersecrets.com/podcast/episode-9-making-that-emotional-connection/
Example of Typing a Person with the Warrior Personality Temperament
The metaphor for the person with the S-P preferences that I use is: “warrior.” I see them as offensive minded people that take the battle to the enemy. What gives them away? Listen in as we go over some of the clues that they give off.
Detailed show notes are at customersecrets.com/podcast/episode-8/
How To Type Someone - Part 1
OK. How do I know that? That is a bold claim to make if it isn't true. So what method do I use to type people?
The process of typing people that I use is a simple step-by-step procedure. It doesn't matter what order the steps are performed. And one of the most important steps is to pick up on the person's temperament.
There are four temperaments, which most people are able to pick up on. Kiersey's work defines the four temperaments in the Myer's Briggs nomenclature as the NF, NT, SJ, and SP.
The foundational principle of personality is: People with similar temperaments have similar values.
What we discuss here are the values that are common to each temperament.
Show notes: customersecrets.com/podcast/episode-7
Myers Briggs Sensing Trait versus Intuition
Everyone - and I mean "everyone," wants to have the intuition trait because it is seen by others as having a sixth sense. Where the general population has five senses, they believe that if they have an extra way of taking in information, that they are a little bit special. It is like having a superpower.
In this episode, I discuss what it really means to have the intuition trait, and how it may not be a super-power after all. In the extreme case, it is often diagnosed as autism. So what I'm getting at here, is that sometimes, it can be a curse.
Show notes at: customersecrets.com/podcast/episode-6/
Comparison of the Myers Briggs System and The Keirsey Temperamant Sorter
We like the Myers Briggs for selling because it is about how decisions are made. Most people see personality as "behavior," because it is easy to pick up by observing others. There are four styles of people that are relatively easy to categorize, which are called the four temperaments. Other taxonomies are like DiSC are set up to describe these four temperaments. But the original Myers Briggs system did not have a way to define these temperaments until David Keirsey spotted and notated the dimensions from Myers Briggs.
In this episode, we'll briefly cover the four temperaments, and how we can use them to quickly convert them to Myers Briggs and other personality taxonomies.
Additional Pod notes at: customersecrets.com/podcast/episode-5
Episode 4 - Comparing DiSC Personality versus Myers Briggs
Comparing Personality Tests - MBTI vs the Big-5
The reason we as salesmen are interested in these typographies is that we need concrete definitions of personality type. We need better definitions of the behavioral dimensions that make up personality so that we can pigeonhole prospects into the right temperament categories. Once they are in the correct classification, we can create and implement the persuasive strategies for turning them into customers.
Why Choose Personality Data over Demographic Data?
That 50% improvement was verified by researchers at Cambridge University and reported in the Nov 2017 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Does that sound exciting to you? Does to me.
Do you remember the Cambridge Analytics controversy?
That company that was in the news during and after the 2016 Presidential Elections. They were hired by the Trump campaign because they claimed they could micro persuade on a “mass level” through email messages and targeted internet ads.
What is it about “personality” that they’d want a ‘personality data’ set over something else like “demographic” data? After all, demographic data is widely available and dirt cheap.
The second question you might ask is why “Facebook data?” Why not Google AdWords? Why not from another source?
And finally, the third question we'll discuss is “what did they do with that data once they have it?”