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The Deconstruction Zone

The Deconstruction Zone

By The Well

In the Deconstruction Zone, Emily and her pastor Danny will navigate the gray of following Jesus while unlearning and rethinking what they were taught about him.

Join in for lots of laughter and processing of big topics and our own stories. Whether you are currently deconstructing and want to feel like you’re not alone or want to understand where deconstructers are coming from, we hope this space will be one where we can all process and embrace the journey.
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Ep.86: A Conversation with Colby Martin on Inclusion

The Deconstruction ZoneFeb 28, 2024

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Ep.86: A Conversation with Colby Martin on Inclusion

Ep.86: A Conversation with Colby Martin on Inclusion

Check out our conversation with author, pastor, and speaker Colby Martin! Colby wrote Unclobber and The Shift, two books designed to help individuals better understand the bible, faith, and how to move from closed, to inclusive theology. Listen now and enjoy!

Feb 28, 202401:09:11
Ep.85: The Progressive Pastor Podcast Crossover

Ep.85: The Progressive Pastor Podcast Crossover

This week Danny is joined by Kyle and J.T. from the new Progressive Pastor Podcast. Today they'll chat about the head, the heart, and their blindspots in deconstruction. Give it a listen now!

Feb 21, 202442:11
Ep.84: Should I Grow Where I'm Planted?

Ep.84: Should I Grow Where I'm Planted?

This week Danny explores a listener's question about whether to say where she's in ministry, or go somewhere else? Many of us wrestle with the same things in faith. Whether has a vocation, or follower of Jesus. Regardless of how we get there - it's a good question to explore! Let's all dive in together on this week's episode of the DZ!

Feb 07, 202419:32
Ep.83: Deconstructing Pentecostalism

Ep.83: Deconstructing Pentecostalism

This week Emily is joined by a friend of the pod, Austin Lucas. Together they unpack his unique upbringing and deconstruction process and its connection to the Pentecostal church.

Jan 23, 202432:03
Ep.82: What's heavier: Good or Evil?

Ep.82: What's heavier: Good or Evil?

This week Danny and Emily have a quick episode where they dip a toe into the concept of good, evil, and morality. Next week we have a deeper dive into morality - and we want to hear from you! Email Danny at danny@thewell636.org with your thoughts and questions about morality (or any future topic ideas!).

Jan 16, 202414:52
Ep.81: Cry Night at YoungLife Camp

Ep.81: Cry Night at YoungLife Camp

This week on the DZ Emily and Danny explore the complexity of emotion, cults, Christian camp, and religion as a whole.

Jan 10, 202441:54
Ep.80: 2023 DZ Wrapped

Ep.80: 2023 DZ Wrapped

Lets take a look back at the year behind us and examine all the good, bad and ugly that came with it!

Jan 02, 202440:26
Ep.79: Are there any unforgivable sins?

Ep.79: Are there any unforgivable sins?

This week Emily and Danny explore how far inclusion extends and ask the question, can you lose your seat at the table?

Dec 26, 202344:38
Ep.78: Is Jesus a Narcissist?

Ep.78: Is Jesus a Narcissist?

Sorry about the sound quality - we have a few issues, but this is a one-week issue. Also, the longer you listen, the better it sounds! Now to the topic: This week Emily raises the question, is Jesus a narcissist? If he's only a man, maybe? If he's also 100% God, Danny doesn't think it's possible. What do you think? Listen and drop your thoughts in the comments now!

Dec 19, 202338:56
Ep.77: Do Our Beliefs Impact Others

Ep.77: Do Our Beliefs Impact Others

As an inclusive pastor, Danny is often told that "the blood of those he leads astray is on his hands." Whether you're a pastor, or not-religious at all - or somewhere in between - we likely all ponder the impact of our beliefs on others. This week Dustin and Danny unpack this and more!

Dec 12, 202332:25
Ep.76: Deconstructing Church Burnout

Ep.76: Deconstructing Church Burnout

Have you been burnt out on Jesus & the Church? This week Dustin and Danny explore some of their experiences with that, and other thoughts on organized religion.

Dec 05, 202341:41
Ep.75: Deconstructing Spiritual Warfare

Ep.75: Deconstructing Spiritual Warfare

Do you believe in spiritual warfare? Is it real? How do we handle it in our world today?

Nov 28, 202331:19
Ep.74: Emily Zell From The Well is Going to Hell

Ep.74: Emily Zell From The Well is Going to Hell

This week Emily and Danny take an episode to unpack some questions from Instagram! After listening, make sure you take a moment and answer the poll on Spotify and leave us what questions you have and topics you'd like covered in the episodes to come!

Nov 21, 202325:17
Ep. 73: What is Indoctrination?

Ep. 73: What is Indoctrination?

Let’s chat about indoctrination! What is is? Is it inherently bad? Is everyone kind of doing it? This and more will be unpacked on this weeks episode of The Deconstruction Zone! 

Nov 14, 202333:33
Ep.72: Taking on The Woke Mob

Ep.72: Taking on The Woke Mob

Oftentimes those deconstructing Christianity think the “correct” end is progressivism. This week two self-professing progressives deconstruct the negative impacts of both progressive and conservative theology & politics as they relate to one's faith. We don't know much, but we are positive somebody will hate this episode…

Nov 07, 202335:57
Ep.71: Halloween Special

Ep.71: Halloween Special

Join us for this special halloween episode of The Deconstruction Zone!

Oct 31, 202331:11
Ep.70: Rebellion vs. Freedom

Ep.70: Rebellion vs. Freedom

This week we digest 1am drunk tweets about own deconstruction! Don’t skip this one!

Oct 24, 202336:07
Ep.69: Secrets vs. Boundaries

Ep.69: Secrets vs. Boundaries

This week Danny and Emily explore the relationship between secrets and boundaries. Is there a difference? Are they the same? Let’s dig in! 

Oct 17, 202333:49
Ep.68: What is Discipleship?

Ep.68: What is Discipleship?

Emily and Danny Join in on the LIVE UMC Communications Podcast-a-thon and chat about the topic of discipleship. Listen and learn more now! 

Oct 10, 202346:59
Ep.67: Does God answer prayers?

Ep.67: Does God answer prayers?

Danny likely tore his ACL for a second time. A friend asked him why he wasn’t praying that the injury would be healed by God, even if he thought he had torn it. So the question is, did Danny tear his ACL because he didn’t pray for a full recovery? Would God even heal him that way if he prayed for that? Should we pray like that? Or does God look at prayer differently than we do? Let’s discuss today on the Deconstruction Zone! 

Oct 03, 202334:58
Ep.66: It can't be BAD if it feels so GOOD

Ep.66: It can't be BAD if it feels so GOOD

What do you think about the phrase, “I’m allowed to do what’s best for me, even if it upsets people?” This week Danny and Emily process the several dynamics that go into determining good, bad, ugly, or indifferent.

Sep 26, 202337:49
Ep.65: Has Emily Been Kicked Off The Pod?

Ep.65: Has Emily Been Kicked Off The Pod?

After a month of being off the Pod Emily makes her return to the Deconstruction Zone. But will her return be long-term or short-lived? Listen to find out!

Sep 19, 202342:54
Ep.64: Finding Peace (Just Hit Record)
Sep 12, 202335:03
Ep.63: Why Do Bad Things Happen To Good People?

Ep.63: Why Do Bad Things Happen To Good People?

Have you ever asked yourself why often the worst things imaginable happen to some of the best people you know? Did God allow it? Did God cause it? And above all how do we reconcile evil and brokenness in our world - especially when it impacts the ones we love. This week Danny and producer Dustin do their best to unpack this question and more.

Sep 05, 202332:42
Ep.62: Does God Evolve?

Ep.62: Does God Evolve?

Progressive Christians often say that God's sense of justice, inclusion and love is evolving. More Conservative Christians would likely disagree - stating that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. This week Danny and Producer Dustin tackle this difficult, nuanced,, and important topic. Listen and don't forget to weigh in with your own thoughts!

Aug 29, 202335:52
Ep.61: Deconstructing Christianese

Ep.61: Deconstructing Christianese

The Christian shorthand known as Christianese is often more frustrating than it is helpful. This week Danny and Producer Dustin unpack their experience and understanding of common Christian phrases as together they search for a deeper understanding.

Aug 22, 202340:04
Ep.60: Mailbag Special!

Ep.60: Mailbag Special!

This week Emily & Danny dive deep into some emails and DM’s from the DZ faithful! Make sure you send any you have in as well - who knows… it may make the next email corner! 
Aug 15, 202348:36
Ep.59: The Christian Bubble: A DZ Back to School Special

Ep.59: The Christian Bubble: A DZ Back to School Special

Time to go back to school! The academic year is upon us and that means all our lives are about to shift from summer mode to academic mode. This week, Danny and Emily will be unpacking the intersection between church, school, and everything else in between. 

Aug 08, 202345:56
Ep.58: Shiny Happy Podcast

Ep.58: Shiny Happy Podcast

Have you seen the new(ish) Prime Docuseries, Shiny Happy People? We HAVE! Now it's time to unpack it. Inside we'll chat about Dating, Fundamentialism, Cults and more.fundamentalism

Aug 01, 202351:06
Ep.57: Reconstruction is low key Awkward

Ep.57: Reconstruction is low key Awkward

Deconstructionawkwardness is a bear. Reconstruction is awkward. How do you navigate the heaviness and awkwarness of stepping back into the rubble of what you just tore apart?

Jul 25, 202338:53
Ep.56: A love letter to our haters

Ep.56: A love letter to our haters

Here is the reality... Emily and Danny understand that this pod isn't for everyone. But a unique phenomenon they’ve experiences, is the well-sized portion of their audience that "hate-listen" to the podcast. That being said, whether you love, hate, or are indifferent while you listen to the pod, this episode is for you. 

This week you can expect to hear a lot of nuggets about faith, deconstruction, and how to navigate tense relationships while also setting healthy boundaries in your deconstructing.

Jul 18, 202338:48
Ep.55: Finding support in deconstruction

Ep.55: Finding support in deconstruction

Deconstruction can be lonely and isolating. Finding support can be difficult. So here's the question: how do you build systems and find support while deconstructing?

Jul 11, 202356:41
Ep. 54: Smashing The Patriarchy & Redefining Gender Roles

Ep. 54: Smashing The Patriarchy & Redefining Gender Roles

This week Danny and Emily unpack the nuance and complexity of gender roles.

Jul 04, 202329:05
Ep.53: Go Shawty... It's Yo Birthday (Part 2)

Ep.53: Go Shawty... It's Yo Birthday (Part 2)

Happy first birthday to The Deconstruction Zone Podcast! Here is part 2 of our B-Day Episode!


This week's episode was recorded live at Danny's annual church conference for UMC clergy and lay people in Missouri (The Missouri Annual Conference of The United Methodist Church). Danny and Emily took this unique opportunity to interview other UMC pastors to get their thoughts on the deconstruction movement.

Jun 27, 202332:28
Ep.52: Go Shawty... It's Yo Birthday (Part 1)

Ep.52: Go Shawty... It's Yo Birthday (Part 1)

Happy first birthday to The Deconstruction Zone Podcast! This week's episode was recorded live at Danny's annual church conference for UMC clergy and lay people in Missouri (The Missouri Annual Conference of The United Methodist Church). Danny and Emily took this unique opportunity to interview other UMC pastors to get their thoughts on the deconstruction movement.

Jun 20, 202326:51
Ep.51: Debating Secondary Issues

Ep.51: Debating Secondary Issues

This week Emily and Danny explore the concept of primary and secondary theological issues.

Jun 13, 202345:15
Ep.50: Bathroom Masterpieces

Ep.50: Bathroom Masterpieces

Each week we get closer and closer to our 1st anniversary! This week Emily takes a much-needed vacation from the pod, while Danny and producer Dustin discuss artwork in the bathroom, Bob Godd, deep theology, and more!

Jun 06, 202345:19
Ep.49: Exploring The Spiritual Wilderness

Ep.49: Exploring The Spiritual Wilderness

Have you ever felt like you're stuck in a spiritual wilderness? Is that a good thing? Maybe it's a bad thing? This week, Emily and Danny dive into this topic and more as we continue to explore The Deconstruction Zone.

May 30, 202337:57
Ep. 48: Emily's Chakras Are Spinning

Ep. 48: Emily's Chakras Are Spinning

This week Danny and Emily discuss Emily's first 9 out of 10 outfit ratings from her students, new age beliefs, and deconstruction. A great time will be had by all.

May 23, 202326:44
Ep.47: Was Joseph an a-hole or a hero of faith?

Ep.47: Was Joseph an a-hole or a hero of faith?

Whenever we read the bible we take it from our vantage point. Looking at the same story doesn't mean we all come to the same outcome. This week Emily and Danny check in, take emails and unpack the nuance of our unique perspectives when reading the bible.
May 16, 202341:53
Ep.46: Emily checks out a Unitarian Universalist Church

Ep.46: Emily checks out a Unitarian Universalist Church

This week Emily talks about her exploration of other faith traditions in the midst of her own deconstruction of what she knows about the Christian faith.

May 09, 202332:44
Ep.45: Jesus doesn't understand Periods

Ep.45: Jesus doesn't understand Periods

This week we unpack Emily getting called to the principal's office (again), and Emily's return to a PCA wedding, and how Jesus doesn't understand periods.

May 02, 202339:18
Ep.44: Original Sin or Original Friendship?

Ep.44: Original Sin or Original Friendship?

This week Emily and Danny check in, briefly tackle the topic of original sin, take some emails, and end with some killer recommendations. You won't want to miss this one... it gets juicy.
Apr 25, 202342:49
Ep.43: Pickle shots for Jesus

Ep.43: Pickle shots for Jesus

Emily and Danny take a new format for this week's episode of the DZ. Let us know your thoughts!


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Apr 18, 202340:31
Ep.42: The DZ goes live at The University of Mount Union.

Ep.42: The DZ goes live at The University of Mount Union.

This week we have a unique episode of The Deconstruction Zone as Danny & Emily travel to The University of Mount Union for their One Voice Speaker Series. Not only do these two chat about Deconstruction, but they also take some live Q&A from students that, at times can get a little bit spicy! You for sure want to give this weeks episode a listen!

Apr 11, 202339:10
Ep.41: Whole Assing Your Spirituality

Ep.41: Whole Assing Your Spirituality

What does it mean to half-ass your faith? Can you? If so, what does it look like to whole-ass it? Find out this week with Emily and Danny on The Deconstruction Zone.

Apr 04, 202336:46
Ep.40: An Interview with Author Marla Taviano

Ep.40: An Interview with Author Marla Taviano

This week Danny sits down with author Marla Taviano to chat about her experience with life, faith, and deconstruction. You can learn more about Marla and her work on Instagram by following either: @WhiteGirlLearning or @MarlaTaviano.

Mar 28, 202352:01
Ep.39: Jesus, Lover of Dirtbags

Ep.39: Jesus, Lover of Dirtbags

With Emily out with a 101 fever, Danny and Dustin take some time to chat about Jesus' passion for the dirtbags of the world. 

Mar 21, 202337:02
Ep.38: TikTok Religions, Exposure Therapy & Sour Patch Kids
Mar 14, 202332:48
Ep.37: Why are we doing this podcast?

Ep.37: Why are we doing this podcast?

We are 37 weeks into The Deconstruction Zone. This week Danny drills down and asks Emily some tough questions about where she is, how she got there, and where she hopes to be. 

Mar 07, 202329:47