Today I'm speaking with Dr. Jem Bendell. Jem exploded onto the internet with the release of his 'Deep Adaptation' paper, which has been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. The paper makes a very persuasive argument for what Dr. Bendell calls 'Inevitable near term social collapse' due to climate change. In this conversation we talk about non-linear self-reinforcing negative feedback loops in climate systems, Dr. Bendell’s experience of grief in coming to terms with the reality of collapse, Extinction Rebellion as an expression of fierce love, the meaningfulness and joy on the other side of collapse acceptance, collapse as an invitation to face the reality of our own inevitable death, how to approach the idea of collapse in a helpful way, and whether the United States and Europe will escape the worst impacts as systems de-cohere. Deep Adaptation Paper Positive Deep Adaptation Facebook Group
Today's guest is David Fuller, founder of Rebel Wisdom.
We talk about Jordan Peterson, the inspiration (and synchronicities) behind the founding of Rebel Wisdom, David’s most recent thinking on what the teleology of the Intellectual Dark Web, the emerging worldview coming into being through distributed heterodox conversations, the significance of the James Damore Google Memo, the evolution of media towards non-ideological generative conversation, and how embodied practice support intersubjective sense-making.
Rebel Wisdom YouTube Channel
In this episode I’m speaking with Miki Kashtan. Through her work with Non-violent Communication, movement building, and organization design, Miki speaks into the intersection of social and psychological transformation with a rare blend of pragmatic heartfulness.
We talk about how economic and cultural systems inform our psychology, why none of us can know what ‘human nature’ is, the necessity of communities of practice for those who seek to transform their consciousness, how to practice full spectrum non-violence, the unsettling power of moral authority, and the central significance of connecting with and expressing our biological needs.
The Fearless Heart (Miki's Blog)
My conversation today is with naturalist and author Paul Krafel.
We talk about why you shouldn't go with the flow, how to discover opportunities for generative service in all domains of life, how to use multiple perspectives to see in '3D', the game of creating upward spirals, and how to observe the natural world in a way that discovers patterns & fit. Enjoy!
Paul's book Roaming Upwards
Nick Seneca Jankel is an author, professional speaker, leadership futurist, and philosopher. His recent book, Spiritual Atheism, reconciles spiritual and contemplative experience with science into a robust ‘human operating system’. I reached out to Nick after reading his recent article on medium called "Hacking Identity Politics To Save Our Species”, which we unpack in this conversation.
We cover topics like the relationship between spiritual practice and social change, how to 'hack' identity politics, the responsibility of ‘integralists’ to intervene in cultural flashpoints, and the need for post-tribal tribes to create collaborative fellowship.
In this episode I'm speaking with Jeremy Lent. Jeremy is the author of 'The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning' and the found of the Liology Institute, which has the aim of fostering a worldview that will enable humanity to thrive sustainably on this planet.
Jeremy and I chat about how our world is the product of the success of certain cognitive patterns, how we can change reality by changing our metaphors, what it means to become conscious of the meaning we make out of the world, and how we can adapt our own meaning-making structures to accord with the existential nature of the Anthropocene.
Jeremy on the web: jeremylent.com // www.liology.org
Jeremy's Article on Yuval Harari
In this conversation I’m speaking with Robert McNuaghten. Robert was the founder and executive director of the Integral Center in Boulder Colorado from it’s birth in 2013 until it’s recent closure at the end of 2018.
We chat about the shadow side of idealism, leadership and patriarchy, the essence of conservatism, the history of the Integral movement in Boulder, intersubjective reductionism, Robert’s concerns about the spread of authentic relating throughout the world, and how understanding Attachment Theory helps bring balance to relational practices.
James Surwillo joins me in conversation this week to talk about his book 'Metamodern Leadership: A History of the Seven Values That Will Change the World'.
We discuss the unique role of the millennial generation, evolving cultural value sets, the possibility of millennials being a ‘hero’ generation, Torbert’s seven stage model of leadership development, the need to master the game before you change the game (h/t Jordan Peterson), and conventional and post-conventional leadership.
Miles Bukiet joins Emerge this week to talk about his paper ‘Monasteries of the Future’.
We talk about the role of monasteries in the emerging future, the cultural significance of monasteries as an institution that demonstrates alternative ways of being human, the radical difference deep practice can make to our experience of being alive, and the 'crisis of standards' affecting the contemplative field.
Read Monasteries of the Future
The Monastic Academy
A Day at the Monastic Academy (With Pictures)
(Meta)Modern Monasticism with Peter Park
In this episode of Emerge I'm speaking with Ria Baeck. Ria is a visionary practitioner in the domain of group process, facilitation, and collaboration, having spent many decades discovering how to manifest collective potential in order to meet the complex challenges of our era.
Ria and I talk about why you cannot go straight for the answer, the re-localization of sense-making, moving beyond mental consciousness, the limitlessness of Applied Presence, the nature of collective intelligence, the sacred responsibility of contributing our piece to the whole, reclaiming and integrating our animal nature, and conceptual shadow.
Ria's Book Online
On this episode of Emerge I'm speaking with Joachim Stroh. Joachim is the co-founder of Change Agents Worldwide and the creator of the Social Ledger -- a meta-protocol for creating cooperative digital spaces.
We touch on topics such as collective sensemaking in digital spaces, how time spent on the internet can form memories (or not), achieving flow states in digital connection, Joachim's 'Social Ledger' as a meta-protocol for measuring social capital and participation, and new architectures of participation that resist authoritarianism.
Joachim's Article on the Social Ledger
In this episode I'm speaking with Jared Janes (@jaredjanes). Jared is the host of the Impactful Podcast, as well as a friend and off-air interlocuter. We share many interests in common, from meditation and philosophy to diet and productivity hacking.
In this conversation, we chat about different models of stream entry, the lubricative nature of awakening, how the philosophical investigation of free will opens up the space for liberation, awakening through World of Warcraft, and the need to follow one's curiosity, even as it takes us outside of our comfortable affiliations.
On this episode, I’m speaking with Gail Bradbrook. Gail is a founder of Extinction Rebellion, one of the most exciting political movements on the planet right now (IMO).
Extinction Rebellion is a group that believes that time has run out to address the ecological crisis and that it is the right and duty of every citizen to rebel in order to compel the government to tell the truth and decarbonize the economy in as short a period as possible. The movement is growing exponentially in Europe, and has already shut down the city of London through direct action and civil disobedience.
Together Gail and I talk about the past, present, and possible future of Extinction Rebellion. We cover such territory as the visionary and psychedelic origins of Extinction Rebellion, how to orient ourselves in the face of possible human extinction, how to balance urgency and trust in activism, and how Extinction Rebellion could use distributed organizational architectures to enable mass participation in this emerging movement.
International Allies email
In this episode of Emerge I'm speaking with Peter Park. Peter is a teacher and Assistant Director at the Monastic Academy in Lowell, Vermont.
Peter and I talk about what a 'modern monastery is', the choice between comfort and truth, the role of monastic style training in a time of existential risk, and Peter's experience combining contemplative practice and authentic relating in the context of a monastic community.
Deep Adaptation & Systems Collapse Paper
In this episode, I'm speaking with Peter Limberg. Peter is the creator of the Intellectual Explorers Club in Toronto, CA as well as co-author of 'Memetic Tribes and Culture War 2.0', a recent medium article that has been very popular in my odd corner of the internet. In this conversation we chat about memeplexes, grey pills, radical agnosticism, Robert Anton Wilson, how to speak with confidence in the midst of uncertainty, authentic relating, anti-debates, and pragmatic tribal affiliations for post-tribal peoples. Enjoy the show! Memetic Tribes and Culture War 2.0 (article) https://medium.com/intellectual-explorers-club/memetic-tribes-and-culture-war-2-0-14705c43f6bb Peter & Ronan on Alter Ego https://anchor.fm/alterego/episodes/How-to-transcend-the-culture-wars-e2hh7n
Nora Bateson is a Filmmaker, writer, educator, lecturer and President of the International Bateson Institute.
In this conversation we discuss how systems learn and evolve, the importance of moving between contexts, how our dreams of incremental change have failed, and the how system change will likely emerge from the liminal space between institutions.
In this episode John Michael Greer and I discuss his 'Kek Wars' article series on how the Chans used magick to influence the 2016 elections.
We talk about political campaigns as magical performance, 4chan as the collective unconscious of the internet, the lefts failure to recognize a politics of existential crises, the myth of progress, and the antidote to cosmic indifference. 🐙
The Kek Wars Part 1:
Primer on Chaos Magick:
On this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Zak Stein. Zak is a writer, educator, and futurist working to bring a greater sense of sanity and justice to education (and beyond).
Zak joins me on the show to speak about his recent paper in the Integral Review titled Love in a Time Between Worlds: On the Metamodern “Return” to a Metaphysics of Eros. In addition to the paper, we talk about the antropocene and it’s relationship to the metamodern historical moment, why metaphysical questions are impossible to escape, and why those who bring coherence to these inquires will be stepping into the future in a profound way.
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Love in a Time Between Worlds (article)
In this conversation Adam Roberts (@knowledgeecology) and I explore the idea of philosophical inquiry as perceptual transformation.
We talk about the relationship between conceptuality and perception, the contemplative practice that Descartes used to produce his philosophy, how to sort through the spiritual marketplace, and the meta-freedom that exploring our assumptions can open for us.
If you enjoy this conversation I recommend you check out The Side View, Adam’s new project based on the ideas he shares in this episode. It just got started and it’s already home to a number of great articles and provocative podcast episodes.
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The Side View
In this conversation, I’m speaking with Terry Patten. Terry is a leading voice in the integral movement as an author, speaker, and teacher focusing on the marriage of personal and political transformation.
We talk about the relationship between Integral Theory and Metamodernism, the use and misuse of irony & sincerity, and why we should vote, even if it’s statistically meaningless.
Terry is a true evolutionary activist and it’s a real pleasure to have him on the show. And if you appreciate where Terry is coming from I highly encourage you to check out his most recent book, ‘A New Republic of Heart: An Ethos for Revolutionaries’. It’s a wonderful read, and Terry has just a few weeks ago begun new non-profit based on the ideas of the text. It’s a very inspiring vision that I expect listeners of this show will resonate with. If you’re curious to learn more you can check out the link below.
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Terry’s personal website:
Terry’s new non-profit based on a New Republic of Heart
In this conversation, I speak with Richard Dennis Bartlett. Richard is an author, organizational consultant, and founder of Loomio and The Hum, as well as a member of Enspiral network. He and I share an identity as former participants in Occupy Wall Street, me in NYC and Richard in New Zealand.
Together we reflect on whether Occupy Wall Street could be seen as a ‘bootstrapped’ collective intelligence, the rise of the vTaiwan movement and digital governance, and the need to leverage both social and digital technology together to create robust expressions of benevolent collective intelligence.
Richard on Medium
On this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Indra Adnan. Indra is the ‘co-initiator’ of the Alternative UK, a new political platform aiming to transform politics in the United Kingdom.
We talk about the Alternative’s approach to political change, her development of a transformative movement building event that Indra calls a ‘Collaboratory’, and the new networked story of collective evolution that the Alternative is helping to catalyze. Enjoy!
The Alternative UK
The Alternative UK + Holochain
On this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Jake Vartanian. Jake is the founder of Native, a platform for communities to create their own economic architecture using cryptocurrency.
This is a project, like DAOStack, Holochain, or Colony, that is exploring the transition into an anti-rivalrous future that Jordan Greenhal and I spoke about in the last episode of Emerge. I recommend listening to that conversation first, as it will help you understand the significance of what Native is offering.
And, unlike many other projects in this space Native is now live, and you can play with it yourself at http://nativeproject.one
In this conversation, Jordan Greenhall and I talk about Rivalrous and Anti-Rivalrous dynamics, the rise of self-organizing collective intelligences (SOCIs), and how QAnon might be an early example of the future of collective sense-making.
"We are currently undergoing a major transition from a world dominated by the forces of scarcity to a world dominated by the forces of abundance. This is a once in a thousand-year level (or larger) transition and must be understood in that context."
The Rivalrous and Anti-Rivalrous (Video)
Making Sense of QAnon (Article)
In this episode, I speak with Joe Brewer about the on-going collapse of our planetary system, the emotional and psychological difficulties of reckoning with this reality, and how we can each become stewards for what comes next.
In this episode of Emerge, Bonnitta Roy and I explore a Source Code analysis of Collective Action. This is the third and final conversation in our three episode arc together.
We cover such topics as why having a liquid identity makes you a better team player, the core skills for participating in collective actions, and how to create ritual spaces that facilitate the emergence of new shared identities.
This episode will be well worth your time if you ever try to do things with others. That means you, human! 😜
This episode marks the end of Season Two of Emerge; I'll be taking a short break and be back with new episodes in early October. 🙏
In this conversation with meditation teacher and author Rob Burbea we discuss the role of fantasy in meditation, the purpose of what Rob calls the 'Soulmaking Dharma' and some common traps that can obstruct our connection with beauty on the contemplative path.
This was the first conversation I had with Rob (there are two more you can listen to in the Emerge podcast stream). For various reasons I decided not to release it immediately after we recorded it, feeling that the subsequent conversations did a better job of communicating what I wanted to communicate. There were also some nasty recording problems that made it difficult at times for the conversation to be fluid and flowing. In any case this is a lovely coversation and I hope you enjoy! 🙏
In this conversation, Bonnitta Roy and I explore what trust means within the context of complex and unpredictable systems.
What is trust? How do we act in ways that amplify trust? And what does all this tell us about the vision for a 'trustless' future coming out of the Blockchain world?
And why is it that sometimes highly trustworthy people are also the most unpredictable? 🤔
More notes (including the graphic we talk about during the show):
In this first in a set of three conversations, Bonnitta Roy and I talk about a Source Code Analysis of the concept of Power. We explore how to speak and think about power in a way that releases complexity, cuts through confusion, and enables useful conversations.
The hallmark of this approach is a commitment to unpacking hidden assumptions in order to identify a conceptualization (Bonnitta calls this a 'conceptual prime') that avoids the confusions and traps that much of our current culture is trapped in.
Leveraging this approach in my own life has led to a significant upgrade to the quality of my communication, and I'm glad to share it with you.
This is part one of a three-part series. Coming in the next week Bonnitta and I will be applying the same process to the ideas of 'Trust' and 'Collective Action'. Stay tuned and enjoy! ❤️
Bonnita’s Pre-show Video Breakdown
In this episode Vincent Horn and I speak on behalf of what wants to emerge now. We discuss the battle for our attention, the relationship between the psychological and the political, the magic of Trump and personal responsibility in the attention economy. Enjoy! ❤️
This conversation is with Max Borders, author of 'The Social Singularity: How decentralization will allow us to transcend politics, create global prosperity, and avoid the robot apocalypse'.
We explore topics such as psychedelics, why voting doesn't matter, decentralized systems, Holochain, the relationship between personal transformation and social transformation and bottom-up alternatives to a UBI. Enjoy! 🚀
DISC as a UBI Alternative
The Social Singularity On Amazon
In this episode, Rob Burbea and I have a conversation responding to questions, concerns, and feedback arising our of our first conversation (released last week). The feedback was taken from the /r/streamentry sub-reddit. 🌊
Original /r/streamentry thread
What do you get when you combine an emerging vision of politics with new expressive capacities in human coordination? Humanity may be about to find out...
In this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Moritz Bierling. Moritz is the "Chief Catalyst" at Holo, a project of Holochain, as well as a Senior Strategist at Exosphere.
In this conversation, we explore anti-fragile education, the emerging economic niche of currency design, and the fascinating symmetries between Metamodern Politics and Holochain. Enjoy ❤️
Holochain Capacity Shift Presentation
Arthur Brock Short Video
Ceptr Revelations (Pre-Release)
Moritz & Skinner on the School Sucks Podcast
Stephen Reid and his co-conspirators at The UK Psychedelic Society are pioneering a contemporary re-imagining of the ancient art of facilitating transformational experiences using entheogenic substances.
In this episode, Stephen and I discuss metamodernism, psychedelics (obv), and what we're going to do with all these empty churches. 💒 🤔
Psychedelic Experience Retreats
Recommended Mix Tape
In this particularly liminal episode of Emerge Bonnitta Roy, Jordan Greenhall, and I attempt to generate some actionable clarity in response to a recent video critiquing Jordan Peterson.
You'll get a sense for the gifts that Jordan Peterson has brought to our cultural landscape, as well as how we can take the next step into new (and less problematic) horizons. 🌅
Alter Ego Video
In this episode of Emerge, I speak with Rob Burbea about a new spiritual paradigm that he calls the 'Imaginal' and the 'Soulmaking Dharma'.
Rob shares his creative process of journeying to the furthermost reaches of human consciousness and coming back with a new and profound vision of human experience and spirituality. 🙏
My companion article to this episode:
Rob on Dharma Seed
Second Brain Notes:
A conversation with Ronan Harington about the nitty gritty praxis of systems change, the realities of the emerging metamodern subculture, and some of the real-life joys and sorrows of trying to do this radical work, and what it means to take on leadership in the midst of complexity.
May this podcast episode be a light for all those attempting to transform the struggle of suffering into liberated play. 🙏
More Notes: https://www.evernote.com/l/AJaqp-ufdFlAJJVuH1tBB4fEw6CuSx8GqmU
This week my guest is Ferananda Ibarra.
Ferananda is internationally recognized in the fields of collective intelligence and the next economy. The center of her work is consciousness evolution of social systems, new social DNA and the processes and tools that support it. She now serves on the leadership team of the Holochain project.
We talk about what Holochain is, the deep thinking that went into it, how it's architecture is a form of biomimicry, and how it could lead to a radically new level of collective intelligence and human thriving. Enjoy!
Part 2 of my conversation with Hanzi Freinacht on the six strategic forms of a metamodern politics.
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Second Brain Notes on Hanzi
A conversation with Hanzi Freinacht, the author of 'The Listening Society: A Metamodern Guide to Politics'.
This episode is part one of a two part series.
For more about metamodernism and Hanzi's work check out https://metamoderna.org/ - Hanzi's blog and home on the web.
In this episode of Emerge I speak with Bonnitta Roy. Bonnitta is the founding principle of Alderlore Insight Center, a non-profit adult learning center focused on practices that support emerging wisdom. She teaches a Masters program in Consciousness Studies at The Graduate Institute. She is also founding associate of APP-AI whose mission is to bring open participation into the workplace.
You can read her writing on the Open Participatory Organization at https://medium.com/open-participatory-organized
We speak about:
- How to have conversations across paradigms
- Problems inherent in meta-perspectives
- Why Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, and Ezra Klein fail to have generative and productive conversations (and how we can benefit from listening)
- How to address the underlying dynamics of identity politics
How do we speak in a way that re-enchants the world? That invites a more beautiful experience of life? This conversation speaks to those questions, and more.
Darren Silver is a rite of passage guide, life-coach, ceremonialist, and an innovative educator. His commitment to guiding youth and adults through initiatory experiences was birthed from more than a decade of personal experience and inquiry into the relationship with
soul, the natural world, and community. Darren holds a Masters in the Mythology of Initiation, has traveled extensively internationally, and has studied with elders worldwide.
You can find him at www.darrensilver.earth
In order to enjoy this episode of Emerge you will need to be familiar with Jordan Greenhall's model of Sovereignty.
Do not venture into this episode without checking out some or all of the resources listed below or you will likely feel lost and confused.
Boyd’s OODA Loop
Ethan and Daniel attempt to make sense of some of the topics discussed on recent episodes of Emerge.
This episode will make most sense if you listen first to the recent episode with Melissa Michaels and have at least some familiarity with Jordan Greenhall's model of Sovereignty.
Melissa Michaels Interview on Emerge
Jordan Greenhall on Sovereignty
In this episode of Emerge I interview Melissa Michaels. Melissa is an inspiring individual who, over the past three decades, has created a body of work that has touched the lives of thousands. Through her unique approach to somatics, initiation, and education she creates spaces that call us into our love and service to the planet.
We discuss such topics as:
- Why dancing can be a tremendously healing experience
- The vision she received in her early twenties that she spent the subsequent 30 years giving birth to
- The role of initiation in becoming true adults, and the difference between 'olders' and 'elders'
And much more. Please enjoy this inspiring conversation with the one and only Melissa Michaels.
On this episode of Emerge my guest is Warren Berger. Warren is the author of the book ‘A More Beautiful Question’.
In this conversation we talk about the nature and importance of questioning, what keeps us from maintaining our child-like curiosity as we age, the danger of relying on expert advice, and how to find the important life-questions that Google can’t answer. Enjoy!
In this episode of Emerge I speak with Adam Curry. Adam is an inventor and tech entrepreneur in San Francisco. His most recent work is an application called Entangled, which he refers to as the SETI of consciousness research.
In this episode we discuss the informational nature of consciousness, how materialism is our cultures metaphysics, and whether we can use collective consciousness to predict Earthquakes. Enjoy the show!
On this episode of Emerge, I speak with Tiago Forte. Tiago is the founder of Forte Labs, a productivity training and consulting firm in the bay area. He specializes in helping organizations and individuals adopt an approach to productivity that is both systematic and human centered.
In this conversation, we speak about using design thinking for individual improvement and empowerment, how to harness chaos and emergence for personal creativity, and the changing nature of knowledge work. Enjoy the show!
On this Episode of Emerge I speak with Alison Cohen. Alison works as an instructional coach for public high school teachers and as a mindfulness educator for schools and social service organizations. Alison focuses on the interconnections between mindfulness and bias awareness and reduction.
In this episode we speak about how mindfulness can disrupt the school to prison pipeline, the subtleties of implicit bias and cultural conditioning, and the nature of embodied racism. Enjoy the show!
In this episode of emerge I speak with Christina Bowen. Christina is a knowledge ecologist working on such topics as collective intelligence, global warming, and systems theory. In this conversation we talk about the relationship between trust and collective intelligence, how to solve wicked problems , and the nature of self-organization. Please enjoy this conversation with knowledge ecologist Christina Bowen!
Taylor Pearson joins me for this episode of Emerge. Taylor is an entrepreneur and author of the book ‘The End of Jobs’, an account of the changing nature of our economy and how to re-imagine your relationship to work for more freedom, meaning and wealth.
In this show we talk about what jobs are and why they’re ending, the evolution of work, the power of negative visualization, and why now is the best time in human history to make the jump into entrepreneurship.
Today we have on the show Scott Santens. Scott is a writer and advocate of what’s known as a basic guaranteed income. In this episode we go over the basics of basic income as well as some of the philosophical and cultural questions that arise when considering such a radical policy.
This episode's guest is Chris Dancy. Chris has been called “the most connected human on earth” and has been featured on Fox News, NPR, BBC, TechCrunch, Mashable, and Wired, among others. He is a contemplative platform designer, artist, philosopher and writer.
We talked about what it takes to design technology that promotes human well-being, the nature and cause of distraction and loneliness, the changing landscape of work, and how to survive a systemic collapse, without hoarding bullets.
The first guest on Emerge is author, philosopher and activist David Loy. David and I first met at the Occupy Boulder General Assembly and our relationship grew from there. David work sits at the intersection of contemplative wisdom and social justice, making him a perfect first guest for Emerge.
In this episode we discuss the ways stories limit and liberate us, the symptoms of living in a world between stories, the nature of the (7+ billion) new stories, the difficulty of acting in integrity with what you know is true, and how to find the meaning of your life.
NOTE: Please forgive the strange audio glitches in the interview. The content of this interview is still awesome. :)
In this conversation with Joe Brewer we touch into many different dimensions of how the breakdown of world systems intersects with our lives as individuals. We talk about such things as:
+ How we become responsible adults in times of crises
+ Why not to pay attention to Trump
+ How social norms obstruct our own maturation
+ The risks of self-initation
+ A new paradigm of service and citizenship
+ The danger of misplaced responsibility
+ How those who care about the future of the planet should allocate their energy and attention
And much more! Please enjoy the first episode of season two of Emerge.
Here's where to find Joe Brewer on the web:
On Medium: https://medium.com/@joe_brewer
On Twitter: https://twitter.com/cognitivepolicy
On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joe.brewer.31