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The Emergent Strategy Podcast

The Emergent Strategy Podcast

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The official podcast of the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute - each episode we dive deeply into the life, practice and experimentation of a person or group who we see as living embodiments of emergent strategy. Emergent Strategy is about how we get in right relationship with change - what are the simple interactions that can shift and shape complex systems and patterns? Hosts are Sage Crump, Mia Herndon and adrienne maree brown.
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Observing Urgency with Yolo Akili Robinson

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Radical Grievance with Malkia Devich Cyril
Grief is power and grief as a way to strength and intimacy are some of the ideas that this week's Emergent Strategy Podcast guest, Malkia Devich-Cyril, explores with host, Sage. An illuminating conversation about an honest collective embrace of grief that might also aid in our emphasis on belonging.  This is our last episode until September. ESII is going on summer break! Have a beautiful summer and there will be more of season 2 in the fall. Thank you for listening!
June 30, 2022
Embodied Decolonization with Camille Barton
Artist and embodiment educator, Camille Barton, talks with ESII host, adrienne, about art, somatics, and strides to move towards a more decolonized inner (and outer) world. Camille has learned that somatics is less about relaxation and more about being able to sit with and feel more.  Transcript can be found here.
June 23, 2022
Slowness, Intention, and Ease with Latham Thomas Part 2
Latham Thomas continues her conversation with ESII host, Mia. Latham is an entrepreneur, self-care sorceress and founder of Mama Glow, New York's premiere maternity lifestyle brand committed to supporting women and birthing people along the childbearing continuum. In part two of their conversation, Latham talks about Mama Glow, care work needing to be valued, the difference between a passion and a calling, and sitting with the question "does it tire me or does it inspire me"?  
June 16, 2022
Slowness, Ease, and Intention with Latham Thomas Part 1
"The Universe rewards courage," says Latham Thomas, founder of Mama Glow and this week's Emergent Strategy Podcast guest. In part one, of a two-part interview, Latham joins longtime friend and ESII host, Mia Herndon, to talk about working towards a rhythm that works for you, tending to the things that we want to see come to fruition, and the practice of care.   
June 09, 2022
Slowing Down Your Slow Down with Geoffrey Jackson Scott
Geoffrey Jackson Scott is a culture organizer, engagement strategist, creative producer and co-founder of Peoplmovr, which works with people to design strategies that move people towards liberation. Geoffrey joins ESII host, Sage, to talk about the physical, spiritual, and mental spaces his work asks of him and some of the components of what it takes to facilitate deeper change and understanding.    
June 02, 2022
Reverence for the Ferment with Kasha Ho
Dear listeners, if you all did not already know how fantastic microbes are, Kasha Ho, is about to let you know. Kasha is the co-founder of the Groundwork Project and an avid and seasoned fermenter. Kasha relays to ESII host, adrienne, how the bubbling, briny, and delicious microorganisms found in foods like kimchi and sauerkraut support our gut health and are tied to a much larger life web. Make sure your mason jars and crocks are close by.    
May 26, 2022
Earth Stewarding with Cris Izaguirre
Cris Izaguirre is a farmer, writer, educator, trans, and queer Nicaraguan immigrant of Afro-Indigenous descent. He joins ESII host, Mia Herndon, on the podcast this week to converse about the queerness of plants, decolonizing the natural world, land stewardship, and how farming isn't for everyone.    
May 19, 2022
Transiting with Omisade Burney-Scott
Omisade Burney-Scott of The Black Girl's Guide to Surviving Menopause comes through to talk with ESII host, Sage Crump, about the difference between being older versus being an elder. Burney-Scott and Crump jokingly question the term "yelder," and reflect on the oftentimes rough edges of the liminal space. Burney-Scott's words encourage a gentle pause and (maybe) a soft example of being more truthful with ourselves.   
May 12, 2022
The Nonlinearity of Healing with Spenta Kandawalla
"Understanding our trauma is really important, but so is understanding -- not just our resilience -- but actually, I think, also understanding the places that we were loved, wanted, cherished, lifted up..." says Spenta Kandawalla, L.A.c. Kandawalla talks to ESII this week about material well-being, reorienting around the idea of impact, and the magic and wisdom of Chinese medicine.   
May 05, 2022
Accountability Mapping with Daria Garina
Artist, somatic coach, and medium, Daria Garina joins ESII host, Mia, to talk about what accountability looks like, especially when we're feeling shame or guilt. How can we embody accountability as a way to integrate lessons, parts of ourselves, and move towards repair?   Transcript can be found here.   
April 28, 2022
Possibility and Pragmatism with Thelma Golden
In her 22-year career, Thelma Golden and her team have lead with an eye to the future while being in conversation with leaders past, and hands in the community and arts world. Director and Chief Curator at the The Studio Museum in Harlem, Golden joins ESII host, Sage, to talk about her road to the arts, the life and role of The Studio Museum in Harlem, and imagination in leadership.  Transcript to this episode can be found here.   
April 21, 2022
What the Whales Tell Us with Michaela Harrison
Michaela Harrison is a transmitter of music through song. Ya'll, Michaela also has a special relationship with our whale relatives. Harrison sits down with ESII host, adrienne, to talk about catching songs, singing with whales, and expanding our relationship with water.   Transcript can be found here.
April 14, 2022
Design With Care: Lin Yee Yuan of Mold Magazine
This week on The Emergent Strategy Podcast, Lin Yee Yuan, founder of Mold Magazine joins ESII host, Mia Herndon, to talk about industrial design as a place of experimentation and problem solving when it comes to facing our food crisis. Lin Yee and her team take an expansive and community-oriented approach to design and, and, and --well, you'll just have to listen.  Transcript to this interview can be found here. 
April 07, 2022
Chicano Artivistism con Quetzal Flores
What does it mean to make art outside of market politics? To use art not as an accompaniment to activism movements but an integral tool in constructing a new order? Quetzal Flores, musician, community member, and artivist works through this question with ESII host Sage Crump.  "...oftentimes when we're talking about artists I feel like we're actually talking about culture bearers, holders of tradition, holders of culture, holders of information, holders of systems within information or systems within practices that offer us so much as to how to get ourselves out of this mess," says Flores.  The full transcript for this episode lives here. 
March 31, 2022
Season 2: Fractaling with adrienne, Mia and Sage
Season 2 is here holding hands with Spring! Also, Happy Bookday to Emergent Strategy! Five years ago today, the book dropped and has been moving between hands, circles, and spurring conversation. Sage, Mia, and adrienne reflect on what has happened over the past five years and what they are looking forward to for the upcoming season.   Transcript to this interview can be found here.
March 24, 2022
I'll Stop There: Season One Reflection with adrienne, Mia, and Sage
The Emergent Strategy Podcast hosts, adrienne, Mia, and Sage debrief about and reflect on season one. We'll be back in March 2022 with season two, amazing guests, and continued emergence in conversation. 
February 03, 2022
Spell work, Spirit work and room for the unseen with Selma Alamin and Aesha Rasheed
Witches and queer Muslim femmes, Aesha Rasheed and Selma Alamin of Southerners on New Ground (SONG) join host, Mia Herndon, for a conversation about spirit protection, teachers, and movement work as spiritual work.  "One of the mistakes that people make is to think that spiritual care is about silencing the hard stuff, it's actually about opening space for it," says Rasheed. 
December 31, 2021
Observing Urgency with Yolo Akili Robinson
Founder and CEO of BEAM (Black Emotional and Mental Health), Yolo Akili Robinson, visits with ESII host, adrienne, to talk about questioning capitalist, nonprofit urgency. Often, nonprofit timelines are not on community timelines. Hear how Robinson and team members navigate circumstances that are at odds.     
December 23, 2021
Dancing with the Speed of Trust with Shalewa Mackall
"All of us got rhythm because all of us have hearts," says Shalewa Mackall choreographer, poet, mother, and artist. Mackall joins Emergent Strategy Podcast host, Mia Herndon, on this week's episode to talk about being in touch with our own rhythms (it's not easy), not gaslighting yourself (okay), and learning to be in touch with your needs.
December 02, 2021
Honest Movement with PG Watkins
Organizer, facilitator and organizational strategist, PG Watkins, talks with host adrienne this week on the Emergent Strategy podcast. The two shower some love on Detroit and the rich possibilities in organizing that exist in the city as well as taking better care of ourselves and one another in movement building. 
November 18, 2021
Interconnectedness with Mallika Dutt
"...and the medicine showed me that many of the ways in which I did social justice work in the world, actually upheld all of the systems of oppression that I was trying to dismantle," says Mallika Dutt strategic innovator. Dutt joins Emergent Strategy podcast host, Mia Herndon, and shares her journey from from activist to innovator and how Spirit and centering with the earth was crucial to that process.    
November 04, 2021
Devotion, Strategy and Rigor with Sendolo Diaminah
"White supremacy and capitalism wants us to believe that they are the most important thing going on and that the whole world is against us. The whole world is not against us," says Sendolo Diaminah, co-director of the Carolina Federation. Diaminah joins ESII host, adrienne maree brown, this week to talk about love of strategy, softer rigor (at times), and living out a new politics.   
October 21, 2021
Be Bold with Jennifer Toles and Jonathan Stith
How do we continue towards freedom and care for one another during pandemic times? What does pivoting look like when the world demands we change our plans? This week, Jennifer Toles and Jonathan Stith of Black Organizing for Leadership and Change (BOLD) talk with The Emergent Strategy podcast host, adrienne about centering, adaptation and holding one another.  
October 14, 2021
Divine Theater with Jonathan McCrory
"What does it mean for the Black body to have a home on this continent that is not tethered to labor but is imbued by your spiritual abundance?" Jonathan McCrory, Executive Artistic Director of the National Black Theater, joins host, Sage Crump, on the Emergent Strategy podcast this week to discuss bringing the book, Emergent Strategy, to the theatrical sphere and divine co-creation.  
September 23, 2021
Transformative Funding and Organizing with Xiomara Caro-Diaz
"I think it's a big opportunity in terms of emergence of allowing for new possibilities of things you never imagined. I think that is something important to center in the context of moments where there is a lot of pain, there's grief, there's loss and it's really important to be able to see that -- even in those moments --something new will emerge," says Xiomara Caro-Diaz about organizing and collaborating post Hurricane Maria. Caro-Diaz is the Executive Director of the Maria Fund and joins host, Mia Herndon, to talk about transformative funding, making space for people's humanity and what the U.S. could learn from Puerto Rico.  Sweet coqui frogs make a special appearance.    
September 09, 2021
Emergent Education with Ana Luis, Luis Alejandro Tapia and Marinieves Alba
"Who are you when you walk into a space with young people?" asks Ana Luis, education facilitator and one of three guests on the Emergent Strategy podcast this week. Luis is joined by educators Marinieves Alba and Luis Alejandro Tapia to talk about what emergent strategy could look like when applied to the teacher-student dynamic.    
August 26, 2021
Philanthropy: A Necessary Death With Javier Torres-Campos
"Philanthropy is a system that will die with capitalism," says this week's guest, Javier Torres-Campos, program director of the Thriving Cultures program at Surdna Foundation. Torres-Campos manages a $9 million grantmaking portfolio. He talks with host, Sage Crump, about encouraging an imagination in the philanthropy field and creating new values around grantmaking processes.   
August 06, 2021
Relating During the Pandemic with Autumn Brown
Mother, organizer, theologian and writer, Autumn Brown, joins host Mia Herndon on this week's episode of The Emergent Strategy Podcast. In a lively discussion, Autumn talks about parenting during the pandemic, the challenges and positives of relating through technology, and discovers (excitedly) the Hide Self View feature.   
July 22, 2021
Finding Freedom in Change: Marcia Lee and En Lee of Taproot Sanctuary
A beautiful episode on co-creating a beautiful life. Marcia Lee and En Lee of Taproot Sanctuary in Detroit, Michigan join host, adrienne, to talk about change, gifts, parenthood, and our precious lives. 
July 08, 2021
Liberatory Logistics with Kandace Montgomery and Miski Noor of Black Visions Collective
"What does it mean to live in a world that could value all Black people and what does it mean to move towards that?" Miski Noor poses this question on today's episode of The Emergent Strategy Podcast. Organizers Kandace Montgomery and Miski Noor from Black Visions Collective in Minneapolis, Minnesota join host, Sage Crump, to talk about care as strategy, what they value as organizers working in community, and why folks shouldn't sleep on Minneapolis.  
June 24, 2021
Earth: A Primary Source and Relative with Leah Penniman
"For most of human history, the way that we got our information -- we read the stars, we read the weather, we read the directionality of the migration of the birds...there was a way we were very versed in the primary source of earth," said Leah Penniman, Co-director and Farm Manager of the beloved Soul Fire Farm. Penniman is also the author of Farming While Black: Soul Fire Farm's Practical Guide to Liberation on the Land. This week on the Emergent Strategy Podcast, Mia and Leah talk about spirituality as it pertains to the land, adaptation during the pandemic, how to not perform your solidarity, and singing to your seeds. Happy June, ya'll. 
June 10, 2021
Boundaried in Love with Prentis Hemphill
The Emergent Strategy Podcast brings you a tender conversation between adrienne and this week's guest, Prentis Hemphill. Prentis is a teacher, an embodiment coach and group conflict facilitator. Prentis is also the founder of The Embodiment Institute. Prentis and adrienne talk somatics and setting boundaries with both our intimate and public relations.  
May 27, 2021
Chaos Minded with Mwende Katwiwa
Performer, speaker, author, poet, Mwende Katwiwa, joins Emergent Strategy podcast host, Sage Crump, to talk about poetics, question what is seen as inherent, and the generative space of being chaos minded. 
May 13, 2021
Dreaming While Black with Walidah Imarisha and Calvin Williams
"How do we start from building our own worlds and envisioning them rather than try to adapt what we've been given by some else?" Walidah Imarisha, writer and dreamer with Calvin Williams of Wakanda Dream Lab join host, adrienne maree brown, for this Emergent Strategy episode.  The only requirement: your imagination. 
April 29, 2021
The People's Aesthetic with Harold Steward and Tonasia Jones
Harold Steward and Tonasia Jones from The Theater Offensive, join Emergent Strategy's Architect, Sage Crump, on the podcast. Steward and Jones engage listeners with the ongoing process of deep change at The Theater Offensive. The conversation is a steady reflection on the ways they implement Emergent Strategy in sitting with complexity (and maybe finding some joy in complexity), and creating a space that centers people and relations. Excellent listening for anyone, but especially those in nonprofit work who are looking to implement a strategic plan, work collectively to create a new work culture, and interested in working from the future.
April 16, 2021
Spiritual Hygiene and Saying Yes with Alexis Pauline Gumbs
Alexis Pauline Gumbs, Black queer troublemaker, love evangelist and cousin to all life joins ESII podcast host Mia Herndon to talk about Emergent Strategy immersions, the role of spirit and saying yes. Listen to this episode with a companion - actually, go back and listen to all of these episodes with a beloved or beloveds. With love.  
April 01, 2021
Planetation, Music and Change with Toshi Reagon
Musician, Toshi Reagon, joins host, Sage Crump, on the Emergent Strategy Podcast to talk about the brilliance of Parable of the Sower, music as change, and parenting and being parented (the latter sometimes by her daughter). 
March 18, 2021
Building New Worlds With Andrea Ritchie
Prison and police abolitionist and attorney, Andrea Ritchie joins adrienne this week on The Emergent Strategy Podcast. What does it take to build new worlds? First, Andrea says, start with your imagination. As always, if you're not comfortable, you better get you some comfort and tune in. In love. 
March 04, 2021
Interdependence, Abundance and Forgiveness with Shane Bernardo
The Emergent Strategy Podcast mason, Mia Herndon, sits down with Shane Bernardo of Food as Healing to talk about reevaluating our approaches and relationship to land, caretaking, and the importance of honoring all of the emotions that we feel. 
February 25, 2021
The Language of the Body with MawuLisa Thomas Adeyemo
What is it really to be masterful in working all the elements of your life? Guest, MawuLisa Thomas Adeyemo, joins this week's host, Sage Crump, on The Emergent Strategy Podcast to talk about Black somatics and the language of our bodies.   
February 20, 2021
Find Pleasure in This with adrienne, Mia and Sage
The inaugural episode of The Emergent Strategy Podcast is here! Join Sage Crump, Mia Herndon and adrienne maree brown, organizers within the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute, as they introduce themselves, talk about what makes up emergent strategy, forthcoming guests and (of course) pleasure.  
February 11, 2021