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Episode #4 (EN) with Bela Galgoczi, COVID19 and the climate crisis: their interconnections and lessons from both


The EU adequate minimum wages directive with Esther Lynch and Torsten Müller
One should be careful using the word ‘historic’. But in the case of the directive on adequate minimum wages in the European Union it might actually be appropriate. Minimum wage directive boost to struggling workers Energy now costs month’s wages for low paid EU confirms prices not wages driving inflation The European minimum wage on the doorstep - Torsten Müller & Thorsten Schulten Minimum-wages directive—history in the making - Torsten Müller & Thorsten Schulten
September 21, 2022
Trade unions, unemployment benefits and labour market outsiders with Daniel Clegg and Elke Heins
Even in Continental Europe, trade unions are the most powerful voice defending outsiders in welfare state politics, and reducing their institutional power in unemployment insurance and elsewhere will likely make things worse for outsiders and not – as certain political leaders in these countries often imply – make things better. Unemployment benefit governance, trade unions and outsider protection in conservative welfare states - Daniel Clegg, Elke Heins, Philip Rathgeb
September 12, 2022
How is AI impacting our lives? with Hamid Ekbia and Nicola Countouris
In this episode, you will be hearing a conversation between Hamid Ekbia and Nicola Countouris on AI, the concept of Heteromation and how artificial intelligence is impacting and will impact our (working) lives.  This episode is part of the Reconstruction Beyond the Pandemic Project.
August 04, 2022
Psychosocial risks in Europe with Aude Cefaliello
What are psychosocial risks? PSRs are increasingly impacting all industries in every Member State. The effects of psychosocial risks can be long-lasting and have both physical and psychological impacts on workers’ lives (such as depression, musculoskeletal disorders or burnout). Find out more:
July 11, 2022
Covid-19 and the world of work with David Natali
This episode with David Natali (Professor of Comparative and EU politics at the Sant'Anna School of Advanced Studies) addresses some of the key questions stemming from the pandemic. The magnitude of the crisis, in terms of both its impact on health and well-being, and its consequences on economic prospects, is enormous. The massive spread of the virus, higher mortality rates, lockdowns and the huge decline in economic activity in 2020 all seemed to bode ill for our future. Find out more in Transfer's latest issue on Covid-19. 
July 04, 2022
European social citizenship: what does the public think? with Marius Busemeyer and Gianna Eick
What type of European social citizenship does the public across the European Union (EU) prefer on the national- and EU-levels? This episode looks into the development of public opinion towards European social citizenship from 1985 to the present from a birds-eye perspective. Further readings:  35 years of public opinion surveys and European social citizenship: What can we conclude? Measuring social citizenship in social policy outputs, resources and outcomes across EU member states from 1985 to the present Welfare chauvinism across benefits and services
April 25, 2022
The platform economy in Europe with Wouter Zwysen and Jan Drahokoupil
The pandemic seems to have accelerated the expansion of all kinds of platform work and at the same time, platform work is being increasingly associated with difficult working conditions, health and safety risks, and inadequate levels of income for those that rely on it as a source of living. This podcast episode will shed light on some of the key insights from the second wave of the Internet and Platform work survey conducted in fourteen EU countries in Spring 2021.  The platform economy in Europe, Results from the second ETUI Internet and Platform Work Survey (IPWS) - Agnieszka Piasna, Wouter Zwysen and Jan Drahokoupil 
April 11, 2022
Re-emerging social ambitions in EU policy making? with Bart Vanhercke and Slavina Spasova
The European Union is currently fighting on two main fronts, Covid-19 and climate change, though with skirmishes elsewhere – including migration and the rule of law. While science seems to be slowly gaining the upper hand in the fight against the pandemic, despite setbacks like the latest Omicron attack, Covid-19 continues to hold global society in its grip. But the second nut is even harder to crack. Climate change is rolling out its forces, in the form of floods, droughts, tornados and hurricanes, and striking indiscriminately. Vanhercke, Spasova et al. (2022) Social policy in the European Union: state of play 2021 Sabato et al. (2022) A ‘Social Imbalances Procedure’ for the EU
March 22, 2022
Quo vadis, Social Europe? with Caroline de la Porte, Maurizio Ferrera and Philippe Pochet
In this episode, we had the pleasure of interviewing Caroline de la Porte (Copenhagen Business School), Maurizio Ferrera (Università degli Studi di Milano) and Philippe Pochet (ETUI) on the recent developments in EU Social Policy. The discussion stems from their recent contribution to Transfer. In the second half of the episode, we had the pleasure to talk to Hyojin Seo, the winner of Transfer's young scholar award and her article on labour market segmentation.  Social Europe 2.0? New prospects after the Porto Social Summit - Maurizio Ferrera Opening up the Pandora’s Box of EU Social Rights - Caroline de la Porte Why politics matter - Philippe Pochet ‘Dual’ labour market? Patterns of segmentation in European labour markets and the varieties of precariousness - Hyojin Seo  EUSocialCit project 
February 15, 2022
A conversation with Nobel Prize winner, Klaus Hasselmann and Susanne Hasselmann-Barthe on climate change and climatology
In this episode, we had the honour of discussing with pioneer climate activist in science: Klaus Hasselmann, who laid the foundations for linking climate change to human-made CO2 emissions and has been very recently awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics.  Show notes: Klaus Hasselmann und Luisa Neubauer, Kriegen wir das hin? (Zeit online)  Hasselmann et al. Reframing the Problem of Climate Change - From Zero Sum Game to Win-Win Solutions
November 18, 2021
Why is the ETUI’s Education department learning approach unique? with Gabriela Portela
The ETUI Education department offers a wide range of high-quality training on key competencies and skills to European Trade Union members. The end goal? Strengthening and expanding the labour movement. More info:
October 25, 2021
Do trade unions and industrial relations effectively reduce inequality? with Lisa Dorigatti and Roberto Pedersini
Inequality has been a growing concern in recent years. The internationalisation of production and markets, the rampant financialisation of the economy, the deregulation of labour markets, and the retrenchment of welfare systems are only some of the factors that have been feeding into increased inequality in terms of income, property, job security, and working and living conditions. The weakening of industrial relations institutions has also been regarded as part of this broad picture since trade unions and collective bargaining have usually been considered as vehicles of fairness and capable of reducing or at least containing inequality. This podcast episode revolves around Transfer's issue on Industrial relations and inequality and intends to contribute to this strand of research by investigating the analytical premises and the empirical evidence of such claims. The issue can be viewed here:
October 13, 2021
The creative industry & Covid-19 with Valeria Pulignano
The Covid‑19 pandemic is still causing tremendous human suffering, with serious and long-term implications for people’s health, wellbeing and quality of life as well as for the economy, work and employment overall. In this episode, we will be exploring together with Valeria Pulignano how millions of workers especially in the creative industries have been vulnerable to layoffs and income loss.  Valeria Pulignano et al.'s publication can be downloaded here:
July 08, 2021
(How) can international trade union organisations be democratic? with Richard Hyman and Rebecca Gumbrell-McCormick
International trade union organisations, like unions at national level, commonly affirm their commitment to internal democracy. But what does this mean? We will be discussing this with two academic giants, Richard Hyman and Rebecca Gumbrell-McCormick. Find out more in Rebecca's and Richard's latest article in Transfer:
May 31, 2021
What can we learn from Alphabet workers? with Stan De Spiegelaere
In this episode of etui.podcast we will explore the whys and the hows of the Alphabet workers and what this experience means for the wider trade union movement. Show notes: Trabsfer article by Stan De Spiegelaere on transnational trade unionism & the Ryanair case De Tocqueville was right about trade unions: they are the schools of democracy
April 01, 2021
EU Social policy - state of play with Bart Vanhercke
Despite a spectacular economic reaction to the pandemic crisis, which stands in stark contrast to the austerity-driven response to the 2008 financial and economic crisis, Bart Vanhercke and the co-authors of Bilan Social express concerns about the so-called ‘social affairs players’ being sidelined in the new Recovery and Resilience Facility,  the fuzzy EU commitment to gender issues, the EU response to rising in-work poverty and the setting a new social-ecological contract. The pandemic's longer-term economic consequences are not clear at this stage. No one can exclude that a real social crisis will quickly follow the vaccination campaign in the headlines. For the time being, however, it’s the unprecedented –and unexpected coordinated response by the EU’s and its 27 Members States and the European Commission that stands out. The EU’s response indeed contributed to mitigate the impact on unemployment (compared to the rest of the world) and demonstrated that the EU can react quickly and forcefully.
March 24, 2021
The EU pay transparency directive with Kalina Arabadjieva
The EU Commission has recently released a proposal for a directive on equal pay. Kalina Arabadjieva will unpack the flaws of such a proposal and spell out why women are still, on average, paid less than men.
March 15, 2021
Benchmarking Working Europe, the impact of a pandemic with Romuald Jagodzinski
In this episode, Romuald Jagodzinsk, points out the main takeaways of the 20th-anniversary issue of Benchmarking Working Europe. The Covid-19 pandemic, and the ensuing economic recession, has proved to be the harshest of ‘stress tests’ for the European Union, probing policymakers’ ability and willingness to emerge from this new crisis without repeating the mistakes of the past.
January 28, 2021
European economic policy developments during Covid-19 with Sotiria Theodoropoulou
In this episode, Sotiria Theodoropoulou sheds light on the economic developments in Europe since the onset of possibly the deepest recession in European history.  The analysis will contextualize the economic and social challenges of member states and provide a preliminary analysis of the autumn package and the economic policy priorities of the EU.
November 18, 2020
How Covid-19 has impacted workers in the healthcare sector with Paula Franklin
In this episode, Paula Franklin, Senior Researcher at the ETUI will shed light on how the Covid-19 has heightened and amplified the pre-existing cracks in the healthcare sector, imposing difficult working conditions for (female) health workers.
November 10, 2020
Nicola Countouris: Covid-19 and the world of work, an overview
In this episode, the ETUI's new Research Director, Nicola Countouris, sheds light on the importance of research for strengthening the trade union movement, the short term and long term goals for the Institute's research department, and provides insights on how the pandemic has hit the EU labour markets after decades of deregulation and austerity.
October 21, 2020
Episode #11 with Ludovic Voet, migrant workers and COVID19, trade unions in action
In this episode we talk with Ludovic Voet, Confederal Secretary of the European Trade Union Confederation ( about the overlooked theme in this current health crisis, which is the migration and refugee crisis and the role trade unions in Europe are playing.  All migrant workers, and particularly the undocumented, are among the least protected. This was true before the crisis, but the health and economic crisis, has acerbated inequalities. We’ve seen some positive reactions to protect and include migrants in Portugal, where the government has said that it will Grant Migrants and Asylum Seekers Full Citizenship Rights During COVID-19 Outbreak and also the case of Italy, where there is a proposal to regularise migrant workers working in the food and agricultural sector. ( The portal offers services and information in different languages, and real-time advice from experts. The network also provides a forum for cross-border exchange of best practice. For more information on the European Commission proposal on a new pact for Asylum and Migration, due to release later this year (2020)
June 08, 2020
Episode #10 with Torsten Müller and Thorsten Schulten, short-time work and Covid19, is this the new normal?
At the end of April 2020, in the EU27 there were more than 42 million applications for support for workers on short-time work or similar schemes. This corresponds to almost 27 percent of all employees. If one includes the United Kingdom and Switzerland, the number of applications for short-time work rises to more than 50 million.  Dr. Torsten Müller of ETUI and Prof. Dr. Thorsten Schulten, head of the WSI collective agreements archive talk about their recent study on "Ensuring fair Short-Time Work - a European overview" in a conversation with Elisa Bruno of the ETUI.   More info:
May 26, 2020
Episode #9 with Jan Drahokoupil, COVID19 and platform workers, what rights and protections? A look into Czechia
In this episode we look at the struggle of platform workers during the COVID19 pandemic with Jan Drahokoupil, senior researcher at the ETUI. From the issue of health and safety at the workplace to the recent strikes in the Amazon factories in the US and in Europe, Jan talks us through what the EU is doing in this field.   Before the Covid19 crisis: estimates on the extent of platform work (according to ETUI) found that a significant share of the population in Europe has some experience with platform work, but it probably did not exceed 20% of adults by 2019 ( Finally, Jan talks to us about his role as a Member of the Economic advisory board of the Crisis response team of the Czech government. We get to know what is the Czech Republic doing to fight the crisis and sustain its economy and workers.
May 18, 2020
Episode #8 (EN) with Aída Ponce Del Castillo, privacy in times of COVID19, the case of contact-tracing applications
In the 8th episode of etui.podcast, Aída Ponce Del Castillo, senior researcher at the ETUI talks with Elisa Bruno (ETUI) about her recent policy brief on Covid-19 and contact-tracing apps ( The topic of contact-tracing with apps emerged very early in tackling the pandemic in the Asian countries and it was rapidly implemented in Singapore and South Korea. We get to talk about the implementation of contact-tracing apps in Europe, at government and at the company level, and the implications on the privacy of citizens and workers. Trade unions should be at the forefront in trying to assess and negotiate the use of contact-tracing apps at the workplace. Aida gives very hand-on indications on what unions can do to protect workers from live in a surveillance work-environment. 
May 11, 2020
Episode #7 (EN) with Silvia Rainone, COVID19 with a little help from the EU and the case of Italy
In the 7th episode, Silvia Rainone, legal researcher, in conversation with Elisa Bruno (ETUI) about the EU recovery plans and the different instruments put in place at EU level to save the economy and the labour market following the coronavirus outbreak.  This episode gives a detailed overview from the resercher's perspective of all the instruments the EU has deployed to help Member States during the pandemic, and it digs into the implications on the world of work and labour law.   Don't miss the important facts at the end of the podcast when the discussion turns around Italy, Silvia describes the measures taken at national level, their impact on the world of work and the role of the trade union movement in the Italian case.
May 07, 2020
Episode #6 (FR) avec Philippe Pochet, Quatre scénarios pour l'avenir de l'Europe après la crise
Philippe Pochet (directeur général de l'ETUI, Institut syndical européen) discute avec Mehmet Koksal et développe ses arguments sur les quatre scénarios pour l'avenir de l'Europe après la crise.  L'article est disponsible en EN sur Four scenarios for Europe’s future after the crisis - et prochainement en FR sur Alternatives économiques  Le coup de coeur de Philippe Pochet: Les routes de la soie [The Silk Roads] de Peter Frankopan
May 03, 2020
Episode #5 (EN) with Ilaria Costantini, Trade union education in times of crisis: is the online a viable solution?
In this episode we talk to Ilaria Costantini, Education Officer at the ETUI about trade union education and how it is evolving in this time of crisis.  The ETUI organizes training activities for trade unionists across Europe and Ilaria talks to us about the online courses the ETUI has developed.  What are the main differences between the online and face-to-face courses? What are the advantages and disadvantages of organizing online courses?  For more information about these courses: 
April 20, 2020
Episode #4 (EN) with Bela Galgoczi, COVID19 and the climate crisis: their interconnections and lessons from both
For the 4th episode of the etui.podcast series, we talk to Bela Galgoczi, senior researcher at the ETUI about the two crisis humanity is facing:the climate crisis and the health crisis. He walks us through the differences and similarities between the two crisis, in both the way the public opinion and governments are reacting to them both. We go on to talk about the European Green New Deal and how COVID19 is affecting the European Commission's plan to move forward with this new initiative. Finally, we talk about the situation in Hungary and the attack on fundamental rights in the country. Fact sheet on the episode available here:
April 20, 2020
Episode #3 (EN) with Zane Rasnača, social protection and the rule of law in times of COVID19, the case of Latvia
In this third episode we talk with Zane Rasnača, a senior researcher specializing in labour law at the ETUI and an affiliated member at the Institute for European Law (KU Leuven) about social protection for highly mobile workers in the EU. What are the rules which apply to them in normal times and now under COVID-19, what has changed. Then we move on and talk about Latvia. Zane will guide us through the measures put into place by the government in response to the Coronavirus and also what the trade unions are doing to protect workers and jobs, with some specific examples (i.e. AirBaltic). Finally, we talk about the attack on the rule of law and fundamental rights in Europe from different countries.
April 08, 2020
Episode #2 (FR) avec Laurent Vogel: La crise du Covid-19 analysée sous l'angle de la santé et sécurité au travail
Laurent Vogel (chercheur sénior à l'ETUI, Institut syndical européen) en conversation avec Mehmet Koksal (ETUI) sur l'angle santé et sécurité au travail de la crise du Covid-19.  Voici le lien au livre qui Laurent Vogel mentionne à la fin du podcast: COVID-19 ÉDITION AUGMENTÉE DU 6 AVRIL 2020 UN VIRUS TRÈS POLITIQUE
April 06, 2020
Episode #1 (EN) with Stan De Spiegelaere: COVID19, the crisis we did not expect and its impact on work, the case of Belgium.
This is the first episode of the ETUI.podcast series on "voices on the world of work".  In this episode we talk about how COVID19 is re-shaping our societies and the world of work. What are unions doing, can role can they play and what can be the impact on the world of work in the years to come. We talk with Stan de Spiegelaere, senior researcher at the ETUI and Guest professor at the University of Ghent, about Belgium and what does it mean democracy at work in times of a crisis. Here the resources Stan de Spiegelaere mentions at the end of the podcast. Books: No Shortcuts, Organizing for power in the new gilded age, by Jane McAlevey A collective bargain. Unions, organizing and the fight for democracy, by Jane McAlevey Mooc: Trade unions in transformation. Iversity International labour Standards: how to use them. Iversity.
April 02, 2020
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March 30, 2020