EXALT Podcast

EXALT Podcast

By EXALT Initiative
Resource extraction impacts our daily lives and has helped push the climate to the brink, but there are people around the world living and fighting for alternative ways forward. Join hosts Christopher Chagnon and Sophia Hagolani-Albov and their guests on the last Friday of each month for a discussion of the impacts of extractivisms, alternative ways forward, and stories from people living the struggle every day. If you are someone interested in how our environment and societies have come to their current state or learning about different ways we can move forward, this is the podcast for you.
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Rachel Mazac - How does your dinner impact the world?
This month we dive deep into the tangled web that is the food system. We talked with Rachel Mazac, MSc, who is a doctoral researcher in the Interdisciplinary Environmental Sciences Doctoral Programme (DENVI) at University of Helsinki. Rachel led us through some of the depth and complexity of the food system. In particular, we discussed some of the externalities that affect the functioning of the food system and how extractivism plays a huge role in the makeup of our modern foodscapes. In addition, she highlighted some of the alternatives to the globalized industrial food system. In particular we talked about the future of food systems and the role diet can play in the Anthropocene. One of the main takeaways from this month’s episode is the need for developing a deep understanding of context when striving for sustainable solutions to the problems in the global food system. In addition, please note that due to the pandemic and shelter in place orders we are not recording on our normal equipment and there are some fluctuations in the sound quality. Thanks 2020! · Rachel’s webpage: https://rachelmazac.weebly.com/ · Rachel’s Twitter page: https://twitter.com/cazamazac · The Future Sustainable Food Systems Research Group at the University of Helsinki:      o Webpage - https://www.helsinki.fi/en/researchgroups/future-sustainable-food-systems      o Twitter - https://twitter.com/futuresustfoods · The Agroecology Research Group at the University of Helsinki: https://www.helsinki.fi/en/researchgroups/agroecology
55:16
May 29, 2020
Maija Lassila - Extractivism Research and Breaking Away from the Written Word
Maija Lassila is an artist and a doctoral student at the University of Helsinki in Development Studies. This conversation explores the relations between humans and nature and the understanding of what is nature. We broke down assumptions about what is nature and our role as humans within nature, especially looking at this relationship from different cultural perspectives. We also explored different types of knowledges and specifically the knowledges related to the creation of art and research. Especially looking at art as an entry to different ways of existing with the world and resonating with the world and the common consciousness which can be accessed through painting. The conversation also touched on the use of art based methods to access viewing the world in non-human time scales. Art is an alternative and a way to transmit knowledges and lived experiences around the impacts of extractivisms and the role of alternatives. Links: Maija’s Art Webpage - http://maijalassila.com/portfolio/ Maija’s Research Page - https://researchportal.helsinki.fi/fi/persons/maija-lassila Photographer Will Wilson - https://willwilson.photoshelter.com/index Vaara Kollektiivi - http://www.vaarakollektiivi.fi/node/127 Suohpanterror Artists Collective - https://suohpanterror.com/?page_id=558 Pluriversal Radio - http://pluriversal.radio/radio/ If you are interested to view Maija’s short film please send her an e-mail, her address is on her artistic webpage.
37:42
April 24, 2020
Tom Marafa - Extractivism and Sense of Place in Ohio
This episode we are joined by Dr. Tom Maraffa a retired professor from Youngstown State University which is a public university in Youngstown, Ohio. We explore Extractivism and sense of place from small town USA and how extractive activities have influenced the history and lived experience in Columbiana County in Ohio. This county serves as a case study of a place that has undergone change as extractive activities and the global economy have evolved around it. Many of the local companies that were foundational to this area have been absorbed by international companies, reducing them to easily movable pieces in a game of globalization. The people and counties left behind were forced to find alternatives . However, sometimes the alternatives are other forms of extractive activities, for example, moving from coal mining to natural gas. It is easy to cast judgement on areas where these types of extractive activities are taking place, however, we explore the role of place and place attachment and the value systems which might be at play in Columbiana County. We think about the role of people who feel “placelessness” v. “placed” and the impact these worldviews have on an area and the bigger picture of the world to which they connect. Links shared by Dr. Maraffa (please note some of the newspaper links do not work in Europe due to GDPR). Chris Arnade—Front Row/Back Row (exploring “placedness” and “placelessness”) https://www.firstthings.com/article/2019/06/back-row-america https://medium.com/@Chris_arnade/divided-by-meaning-1ab510759ee7 Stories about Columbiana County to contextualize the place. https://www.salemnews.net/news/local-news/2019/05/south-field-energy-breaks-ground-on-multi-million-dollar-project/ http://archive.businessjournaldaily.com/company-news/kensington-gas-processing-plant-begins-operations-2013-7-30 https://www.cleveland.com/business/2012/12/1_bilion_ohio_natural_gas_proc.html https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/leetonia-beehive-coke-ovens https://architecturalafterlife.com/2019/07/09/beehive-coke-ovens/ https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/East_Liverpool,_Ohio Extractive activities and the community in Ohio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPKphjRwmng https://www.reviewonline.com/news/community-news/2019/02/the-pros-and-cons-of-the-cracker-plant/
46:49
March 27, 2020
Katy Machoa and Paola Minoia (English) - Eco-cultural pluralism, Extractivism, and the Kichwa people of Ecuadorian Amazonia
This podcast episode is groundbreaking for the EXALT Podcast. It is our first episode with two guests, but also our first multi-lingual podcast – whether you are listening to the English version, the Spanish version, or the original – we hope that you enjoy! This is the English version with the translation imposed over the original Spanish segments. We talked today with Katy Machoa and Paola Minoia. Katy is a Clinical Psychologist from the Kichwa Community of Shamato, part of the Amazonian Kichwa nationality. Paola is a Senior university lecturer in development studies in the Faculty of Social Science, and an adjunct professor in development geography at the Faculty of Sciences, both at the University of Helsinki. We talked to these guests together because they are co-collaborators on an Academy of Finland funded project based in Ecuador on called Goal 4+: Including Eco-cultural Pluralism in Quality Education in Ecuadorian Amazonia. “This project expands on Sustainable Development Goal 4, which aims to ensure quality education for all through an attempt to promote recognition of eco-cultural pluralism and inclusion of indigenous pedagogies and knowledges as part of quality education in Ecuadorian Amazonia.” If you are interested in learning more about this interesting and important project please visit their project website and blog https://blogs.helsinki.fi/ecocultures-ecuador/. In this conversation we talked about Katy’s lived experiences in the Ecuadorian Amazon. Through this conversation we talk about indigenous communities, the trajectory of “development” in this region, the types of extraction which are happening in these lands, and the role of epistemological plurality in creating space for indigenous knowledge. The resources which Katy highlighted in the episode: https://conaie.org/ https://confeniae.net/
25:41
February 28, 2020
Katy Machoa and Paola Minoia (Español) - Eco-cultural pluralism, Extractivism, and the Kichwa people of Ecuadorain Amazonia
This podcast episode is groundbreaking for the EXALT Podcast. It is our first episode with two guests, but also our first multi-lingual podcast – whether you are listening to the English version, the Spanish version, or the original – we hope that you enjoy! Esta es la versión en español, sin traducción al inglés. We talked today with Katy Machoa and Paola Minoia. Katy is a Clinical Psychologist from the Kichwa Community of Shamato, part of the Amazonian Kichwa nationality. Paola is a Senior university lecturer in development studies in the Faculty of Social Science, and an adjunct professor in development geography at the Faculty of Sciences, both at the University of Helsinki. We talked to these guests together because they are co-collaborators on an Academy of Finland funded project based in Ecuador on called Goal 4+: Including Eco-cultural Pluralism in Quality Education in Ecuadorian Amazonia. “This project expands on Sustainable Development Goal 4, which aims to ensure quality education for all through an attempt to promote recognition of eco-cultural pluralism and inclusion of indigenous pedagogies and knowledges as part of quality education in Ecuadorian Amazonia.” If you are interested in learning more about this interesting and important project please visit their project website and blog https://blogs.helsinki.fi/ecocultures-ecuador/. In this conversation we talked about Katy’s lived experiences in the Ecuadorian Amazon. Through this conversation we talk about indigenous communities, the trajectory of “development” in this region, the types of extraction which are happening in these lands, and the role of epistemological plurality in creating space for indigenous knowledge. The resources which Katy highlighted in the episode: https://conaie.org/ https://confeniae.net/
29:35
February 28, 2020
Katy Machoa and Paola Minoia (Original) - Eco-cultural pluralism, Extractivism, and the Kichwa people of Ecuadorian Amazonia
This podcast episode is groundbreaking for the EXALT Podcast. It is our first episode with two guests, but also our first multi-lingual podcast – whether you are listening to the English version, the Spanish version, or the original – we hope that you enjoy! This is the original version with the full Spanish responses immediately followed by the translation. We talked today with Katy Machoa and Paola Minoia. Katy is a Clinical Psychologist from the Kichwa Community of Shamato, part of the Amazonian Kichwa nationality. Paola is a Senior university lecturer in development studies in the Faculty of Social Science, and an adjunct professor in development geography at the Faculty of Sciences, both at the University of Helsinki. We talked to these guests together because they are co-collaborators on an Academy of Finland funded project based in Ecuador on called Goal 4+: Including Eco-cultural Pluralism in Quality Education in Ecuadorian Amazonia. “This project expands on Sustainable Development Goal 4, which aims to ensure quality education for all through an attempt to promote recognition of eco-cultural pluralism and inclusion of indigenous pedagogies and knowledges as part of quality education in Ecuadorian Amazonia.” If you are interested in learning more about this interesting and important project please visit their project website and blog https://blogs.helsinki.fi/ecocultures-ecuador/. In this conversation we talked about Katy’s lived experiences in the Ecuadorian Amazon. Through this conversation we talk about indigenous communities, the trajectory of “development” in this region, the types of extraction which are happening in these lands, and the role of epistemological plurality in creating space for indigenous knowledge. The resources which Katy highlighted in the episode: https://conaie.org/ https://confeniae.net/
44:27
February 28, 2020
Sanna Komi - Conservation and Extractivism: Two Sides of the Same Coin
Sanna Komi is a doctoral student at the University of Helsinki in Development Studies. Her research is part of the CONVIVA project which explores the concept of convivial conservation which offers an alternative to the model of conservation through capitalism. Sanna’s work within this project is specifically connected to wolf conservation in Finland and the attitudes towards wolf conservation. In general, her work concentrates on moving beyond the nature/society dichotomy and the model of conservation by commodification (i.e. conservation coming from a neoliberal point of view that seeks to extract something from nature by conserving it.) In this conversation we talk about apex predators, capitalism, values, and the role of extractivism in conservation. Links: Convivial Conservation: https://convivialconservation.com/ Büscher, Bram, and Robert Fletcher. "Towards convivial conservation." Conservation & Society 17, no. 3 (2019): 283-296. http://www.conservationandsociety.org/article.asp?issn=0972-4923;year=2019;volume=17;issue=3;spage=283;epage=296;aulast=B Luonto-Liitto (The Finnish Nature League): http://www.luontoliitto.fi/en Luonto-Liitton Susiryhmä (The Wolf Action Group from the Finnish Nature League): http://www.luontoliitto.fi/susiryhma/in-english The webpages of the Finnish Game Institute: https://riista.fi/ (homepage – in Finnish); https://riista.fi/riistatalous/riistakannat/hoitosuunnitelmat/susikanta/ (wolf opinion page – in Finnish); other resources available in English via the search function at https://riista.fi/en/
30:53
January 31, 2020
Maria Ehrnström-Fuentes - Exploring the Pluriverse
This month we are joined by Maria Ehrnström-Fuentes, postdoctoral researcher from Hanken School of Economics. Together we take a deep dive into the pluriverse and how Maria has explored this concept in her research. This conversation covers ideas of decoloniality, degrowth, and turning a critical eye to some of the established notions of how research is conducted. Maria shares her experiences in conducting research in Latin America and the Finnish countryside. The conversation comes around to the deep importance of finding like-minded people in your community as a step toward change. If you want to find out more about Maria and her work here is a link to her researcher profile.  Here are two of her most recent articles: Ehrnström-Fuentes, M & Leipämaa-Leskinen, H 2019, 'Boundary Negotiations in a Self-Organized Grassroots-Led Food Network: The Case of REKO in Finland', Sustainability, vol. 11, no. 15, 4137, pp. 1-22. https://doi.org/10.3390/su11154137 Ehrnström-Fuentes, M 2019, 'Confronting extractivism: the role of local struggles in the (un)making of place', Critical Perspectives on International Business. https://doi.org/10.1108/cpoib-01-2018-0016 And a link to her doctoral thesis Legitimacy in the Pluriverse: Towards an Expanded View on Corporate-Community Relations in the Global Forestry Industry
32:06
December 27, 2019
Aili Pyhälä - Activism, alternatives, and academia
This episode we sit down with Dr. Aili Pyhälä, lecturer in Development Studies at the University of Helsinki. She takes inside her more than 20 years of work as an activist and a researcher in indigenous and other communities facing the threat of extractivist practice. She shares with us her stories and lived experiences from the field. We explore the gray area between extractivisms and alternatives and look at extractivism as an alternative when it is in the right hands. She also shares with us her thoughts on decolonizing academia and how research projects can and should be designed. Read more about Aili’s academic work https://www.helsinki.fi/en/people/people-finder/aili-pyhala-9131642 The organizations Aili highlighted: · The ICCA Consortium - https://www.iccaconsortium.org/ · Centre for Indigenous Conservation and Development Alternatives (CICADA) - http://cicada.world/ · Global Ecovillage Network - https://ecovillage.org/
42:30
November 29, 2019
Barry Gills (3) - A call to action
In the third and final part of our conversation with Professor Barry Gills from University of Helsinki and one of the founders of the Global Extractivisms and Alternatives (EXALT) initiative, we talk about the need for action on a personal and political level to face the challenges presented by the climate emergency, trying to find balance between the comforts of modern society and environmental conscientiousness, the impact and evolution of community in the digital age, and examples of alternatives.   If you are interested to read more about the academic conversations we explore in this episode, please check out Globalizations, which is the journal that Prof. Gills founded and is the current editor-in-chief.
27:07
October 23, 2019
Barry Gills (2) - Three concepts to live by
In the second part of our conversation with Professor Barry Gills from University of Helsinki and one of the founders of the Global Extractivisms and Alternatives (EXALT) initiative, we discuss local and indigenous approaches to solving problems, the issue of "externalities" in economics (a cost of producing something that is taken from external parties that did not choose to incur that cost - for example, a lithium mine might severely poison a body of water, creating knock-on effects for local people and wildlife, those costs are not factored into the cost of a lithium battery), and vulnerability and global justice as they relate to global scale extractivist practice. Finally, we explore three concepts to live by - be radical, be responsible, be restorative. If you are interested to read more about the academic conversations we explore in this episode, please check out Globalizations, which is the journal that Prof. Gills founded and is the current editor-in-chief.
35:04
October 23, 2019
Barry Gills (1) - What are extractivisms and alternatives?
Professor Barry Gills from University of Helsinki joins us for a conversation about the Global Extractivisms and Alternatives (EXALT) initiative, the meaning of extractivism and the role of alternatives, the conceptualization of nature, values as connected to modernity, and the crisis of our global civilization. We have divided this conversation into three parts. This is a rich intellectual journey and serves as a robust introduction to the thinking which inspired the EXALT Initiative. If you are interested to read more about the academic conversations we explore in this episode, please check out Globalizations, which is the journal that Prof. Gills founded and is the current editor-in-chief.
27:27
October 23, 2019
Introduction
In this episode hosts Sophia Hagolani-Albov and Christopher Chagnon introduce themselves, the Extractivisms and Alternatives (EXALT) Initiative, and where the podcast is going to go in upcoming episodes.
10:21
October 20, 2019