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FIRE the Family Podcast (Financial Independence Retire Early)

FIRE the Family Podcast (Financial Independence Retire Early)

By Nick French
Learn all about the Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE) movement from the family perspective. Raising 3 boys isn’t easy or inexpensive. Learn from Nick and Kayla as they navigate working full-time, graduate studies, and investing their time and love into their family unit.
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#39 Kayla Quit Her Job, Teaching During COVID, and How We Like Texas So Far
Nick and Kayla discuss her recent job change and how important job satisfaction is, what it's been like teaching during COVID, and an update on how they like living in Texas compared to Washington after relocating their family across the country. Read our book: FIRE The Family: The Ultimate Guide to Achieving Financial Independence With a Family
23:10
November 09, 2020
#38 A Conversation about Work and Retirement Related to the FIRE Movement
Nick and Kayla discuss their perception on work and retirement. In short, work should be enjoyable and if it doesn't meet your expectations, find something else to do. Retirement is more of a state of mind than it is a status. We're living the life we will probably be living once we are retired. The only difference is our reliance upon our jobs for income. The idea that FIRE enthusiasts want to quit the workforce is simply not true. The truth is that work is simply providing value to society in return for money.  For the show notes please visit: www.firethefamily.com/podcast-episodes/38 Read our book: FIRE The Family: The Ultimate Guide to Achieving Financial Independence With a Family
48:31
August 23, 2020
#37 How We Earned 5 Degrees With NO STUDENT LOAN DEBT
Nick and Kayla discuss how they have earned 5 college degrees without student loan debt. By utilizing every option available to them, they were able to cashflow their Master's degrees before the age of 30. Not only did we accomplish our educational goals, but we did so while having and raising 3 kids and working.  For the show notes please visit: www.firethefamily.com/podcast-episodes/37
46:25
August 03, 2020
#36 Furnishing our 3,400 sq ft Home on a Budget
Nick and Kayla discuss how they furnished their new home on a budget. By planning, saving ahead, and sticking to the plan, they were able to furnish their 3,400 sq ft home without breaking the bank, payment plans, or credit cards. They share strategies and tips they use to save up cash for big purchases and how they decide what big-ticket items to buy. For the show notes please visit: www.firethefamily.com/podcast-episodes/36
48:20
July 27, 2020
#35 Daycare & Teaching During COVID
Nick and Kayla discuss sending their kids back to daycare during COVID-19, Kayla going back to teaching (virtually), and quite a bit more. This episode marks Season 4 of the podcast and will likely remain the episode format for the foreseeable future. We want this show to be relaxed, non-scripted and to discuss the real-life workings of our family as we pursue the financial independence retire early (FIRE) journey.  For the show notes please visit: https://www.firethefamily.com/podcast-episodes/35
37:57
July 19, 2020
#34 - Zero-Based Budgeting: How We Started Living Below Our Means and Learned to Allocate Money
Nick and Kayla discuss adding a lawncare service during the hot summer months or adding a monthly cleaning service. Nick wants one, Kayla the other. We have a real-time discussion about this and it ties in really well to our episode on budgeting. Learn all about how we have implemented a Zero-Based Budget and what it has done for our marriage, family, and finances.  For the show notes please visit: https://www.firethefamily.com/podcast-episodes/34
36:56
July 13, 2020
#33 Geoarbitrage: We Relocated Our Family of 5 Across the Country
We're so excited to be back. As many of you know, we took some time off to relocate our family (geoarbitrage) across the country. We moved from Washington to Texas and this episode is all about the move! Joined by my amazing wife Kayla, we discuss the good, the bad, and some funny stories during our big move. There are some hidden tips if you're considering relocating your family.  We have some big updates launching the coming weeks/months. We're turning half my office into a recording studio and will be video recording each episode and posting it to YouTube. We're looking at an August launch and will mark a new season of the FIRE The Family Podcast. We're so excited to move the podcast in this direction and believe we have a lot of value to give as a happily married couple making intentional decisions with their family, money, and future! Episode Sponsor: Savology - Get your financial report card in just 5-minutes (totally free). Click Here. Please follow us on Instagram: @FIREtheFamily and at firethefamily.com
35:14
July 05, 2020
#32 Geoarbitrage: Moving Our Family of 5 From Washington to Texas (NEW CO-HOST)
I'm so pumped about this episode. I proposed the idea to my lovely wife Kayla to be my new permanent co-host on the FIRE the Family Podcast. She has so graciously agreed and now we're forging a new podcast path together! She has a voice fit for radio by the way! I have so many ideas on where this could go and I want to thank you for sticking with the podcast through a few recent weeks without content. I assure you, we have every intention of creating as much audio content as possible.  We're in the middle of arbitraging from Washington to Texas. That means, selling our home, buying a new home, packing and working and raising the kids and visiting family. We've been so busy that the podcast went onto the back burner for a short time.  In this episode, we talk about moving, selling our house, buying our new house, what we're most excited about and what is difficult about moving away. Please follow us on Instagram: @FIREtheFamily and at firethefamily.com
33:55
May 16, 2020
#31 - A Conversation Across the Globe with Melanie of Money Savvy Mamma
I hope you enjoy listening to this episode with Melanieof Money Savvy Mamma. She's located in Australia and was gracious enough to join me for a conversation about parenting, budgeting, investing, side-hustles and more. This episode is packed full of goodies and actions you can take as a parent to be a little more frugal, minimal and a great partner and parent.  You can find Melanie on Instagram @Money_Savvy_Mamma you can follow me on Instagram @FIREtheFamily and if you're interested in improving your blogging/SEO check out firethefamily.com/create
54:13
April 20, 2020
#30 - Conversation with Mr. Inspire to FIRE of InspiretoFIRE.com
I can't thank Mr. Inspire to FIRE enough for being the first guest on the FIRE the Family Podcast. We cover a lot of ground in this episode. From the current COVID-19 epidemic to his own experience on the financial independence journey. Mr. Inspire to FIRE provides us insight into his pharmacy career and thoughts about his own future if/when he becomes financially independent.  Learn more about Mr. Inspire to FIRE at www.inspiretofire.com Follow him on Instagram and Twitter I finally launched my Instagram, so be sure to follow me there as well! I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I enjoyed speaking with Mr. Inspire to FIRE! Inspire to Fire Resources: FI Number? Roth Conversion Ladder and Investment Order
58:28
March 31, 2020
#29 - Gratefulness, Expanding into the Contraction and Lay-offs
This has been a tough couple of weeks. Between the virus, the recession, and now being hit with lay-offs and reduced pay. I want to take a few minutes for gratefulness to talk about the reality of job loss and to introduce a new project that I'm working on. Visit https://www.firethefamily.com/ to learn more!
34:08
March 24, 2020
#28 Washington Coronavirus, The Recession and Working Remotely
The coronavirus has begun in Washington and the United States. Our family lives in Washington and is dealing with the fallout of the lockdown measures that have been imposed by the government. In this episode, I talk about the challenges we're facing, the recession we're likely in as well as working remotely. 
30:24
March 17, 2020
#27 - Marriage Retreat, Stock Market Correction, Washington State Coronavirus
This week's episode is a roundup where I talk about current events, recent news. FIREtheFamily.com Topics covered Marriage Retreat Stock Market Correction Oil Prices Coronavirus (Washington State)
31:02
March 10, 2020
#26 - 7 Ways to Shield Investments From the Coronavirus (COVID-19)
The economic fallout as a result of COVID-19 has been widespread. It’s affecting far more people than the virus itself and has the potential to throw us into a global recession. By now, the virus is likely wreaking havoc on your retirement accounts. Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock as of late, there’s no doubt you’ve heard the news. COVID-19 is in dozens of countries around the world and it’s not likely to slow down anytime soon. https://www.firethefamily.com/home/protect-investments-from-coronavirus
28:02
March 03, 2020
#25 - Creating Your Family Financial Plan
A financial plan is essential if you want to build wealth for your family. A financial plan is a comprehensive evaluation of your current household income and expenses and projected household income and expenses. A financial plan allows you to project your financial variables into the future to align it with your long term financial goals. By knowing your current financial variables, you can predict future income, assets, and make plans for retirement withdrawals. https://www.firethefamily.com/home/family-financial-plan
38:36
February 23, 2020
#24 - REITs vs Physical Real Estate Investing
Getting started in real estate investing can be a daunting experience. Where do you get started? Two of the most common ways to get started in real estate investing is by owning physical real estate or a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT). https://www.firethefamily.com/home/reit-vs-physical-real-estate
32:18
February 17, 2020
#23 - Investing FOMO (Fear of Missing Out)
Investing FOMO is the fear of missing out on stock market gains. Watching stocks you may have nearly invested soar to new highs while you sit on the sideline. Investing FOMO can make you feel anxious, depressed and behind your peers. https://www.firethefamily.com/home/investing-fomo-fear-of-missing-out
25:50
February 09, 2020
#22 - LeanFIRE - The Minimalist Way to Financial Independence
LeanFIRE is the minimalist approach to financial independence retire early. It’s saving just enough money that your minimum expenses are covered in retirement. We all need to reach financial independence at some point in the future. This has become my personal mantra. Whether your aim is to “retire” in your 40’s, 50’s or 60’s. There will be a point in time where you no longer desire or are capable of working for an income. It’s at this point where you need to have enough money saved up to live off of. https://www.firethefamily.com/home/what-is-leanfire
25:02
February 02, 2020
#21 - Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE) FAQ's
This episode is focused on the most frequently asked questions I get about the financial independence retire early (FIRE) movement. Hopefully, it's educational, enlightening and worth your time. Thank you so much for your support. View our FAQ page here: https://www.firethefamily.com/faq
34:06
January 27, 2020
#20 - Cash Flowing Kayla's Master's Degree
In March of 2020, Kayla will begin her Master’s in Curriculum & Instruction through Western Governors University (WGU). The same school that I earned my MBA through in 2019. The WGU Master’s in Curriculum and Education is PERFECT for our financial situation because we can cash flow the entire degree. This means that we’re able to pay for her Master’s degree 100% without student loan debt. We’re able to save enough of our income each month to simply pay for it outright. https://www.firethefamily.com/home/cash-flowing-a-masters-degree
35:48
January 18, 2020
#19 How to Avoid Family Lifestyle Creep, First Day of Judo and Website Updates
Lifestyle creep is dangerous. It comes on slowly, under the cover of darkness and before you know it, you’re left with little money despite a higher income. Lifestyle creep is also called silent inflation. It’s a phenomenon that’s defined as spending more resources on lifestyle and wants rather than necessities. https://www.firethefamily.com/home/how-to-avoid-family-lifestyle-creep-silent-inflation
45:12
January 11, 2020
#18 VTSAX (Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Admiral Shares)
VTSAX stands for Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Admiral Shares and it’s the most popular index fund in the financial independence retire early (FIRE) community. VTSAX is one of many investment funds provided by the Vanguard Group, the largest provider of mutual funds and the second-largest provider of exchange-traded funds in the world. The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSAX) provides diversified exposure to small-, mid-, and large-cap companies traded on the Nasdaq and New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). https://www.firethefamily.com/home/vtsax-vanguard-index-fund
40:46
January 05, 2020
#17 Income Trajectory: Increasing Your Lifetime Earning Potential
Income trajectory is defined as the growth of an individual’s income over time. Think of a line on paper moving through space from the bottom left to the upper right and back down again. A trajectory or flight path is the path that an object with mass in motion follows through space as a function of time. At some point, the line will reach a peak and begin to decrease. This is your income trajectory. It’s different for each person and is based on their experience, education, location, gender, ability to network, etc… https://www.firethefamily.com/home/income-trajectory
24:04
December 31, 2019
#16- 9 Marriage From 9-Years of Marriage (In My 20's)
Kayla and I got married at the young age of 19 and just celebrated our 9-year anniversary. As much as marrying my high school sweetheart sounds like a fairy tale, it hasn’t always been happily ever after. I love my wife more than I could ever imagine. She has pushed me further than I ever thought possible and each year my love for her deepens, but marriage is a roller coaster. Filled with ups, downs and periods of expansion and contraction (much like the stock market). It’s been a beautiful ride and we’ve both learned so much. There’s no way to distill everything into 9 lessons, but here are 9 that I’m thinking of today. FIREtheFamily.com
33:12
December 26, 2019
#15- Common Money Marriage Problems and Solutions, 9-Year Anniversary and Xmas Eve!
The best thing Kayla and I ever did for our marriage (and money) was to combine our finances after marriage. We got married at a young age, I joined the Air Force and we moved to Wichita Kansas. That decision kicked off a series of transitions and financial challenges over the next 10 years. If we didn’t combine our incomes, savings, and goals, I’m confident our marriage would have suffered. You and your spouse are on the same team. It’s time to stop these financial problems from keeping your marriage from growing. Let’s take a look at common money problems in marriages and how to work through them. FIREtheFamily.com
21:48
December 24, 2019
#14- The B.E.S.T Method for Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE), New Mic & Intro!
My framework to put you on track to achieving financial independence retire early is The B.E.S.T Method. Financial independence isn’t a get rich scheme, I once thought that way. I found that by understanding and teaching the concepts in the B.E.S.T Method people can’t dispute what they know is true. You should control your money You should save for emergencies You should increase your savings rate You should invest in the stock market If you make these 4 life choices, you greatly increase your potential to reach financial independence retire early (FIRE). Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
33:09
December 22, 2019
#13- 22 Actionable Ways to Invest in Yourself
I’m a firm believer in investing in yourself and I believe your 20’s are the best years to do that. This list of ways to invest in yourself is not a list of hobbies. It’s a list of actionable ways to invest in yourself that will provide a return on that investment (ROI). I’m 28 years old and have done nearly everything on this list. I can speak to the fact that it has led me to where I’m at today and has given me a more fulfilling life. It’s your existence, get to work.  Full Article: "22 Actionable Ways to Invest in Yourself in Your 20's (Mega List)" Resources Mentioned in the Episode: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
41:39
December 17, 2019
#12- How Recessions Help the FIRE Movement
Every day we’re inundated with fear. Fear of war, fear of death, fear of the next recession. There’s little to no doubt that there’s a recession on the way. How do I know this? The million-dollar question is how will the next recession affect the FIRE movement? I believe the next recession will greatly help me achieve financial independence retire early (FIRE), and it can help you too.  Full Article: "How Recessions Help The FIRE Movement" Resources Mentioned in the Episode: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
30:25
December 14, 2019
#11- 52% of Americans are behind on retirement
52% of American workers say they’re behind where they should be in retirement savings, according to a new study by Bankrate.com. 16% say they are right on track, and 11% feel they are ahead of where they should be in terms of saving for retirement. 20% of respondents say they don’t know if they’re on track or not.  Full Article: "How Recessions Help The FIRE Movement" Resources Mentioned in the Episode: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
39:06
December 12, 2019
#10- The 25x rule, 4% rule and FIRE calculators
Retirement planning sounds complex. The financial industry uses language and jargon to confuse the general public. The more confused you are, the more likely you’ll pay someone to do it for you. Let’s talk about the most important aspect of retirement planning. How much you can withdraw during retirement and not run out of money. The Trinity study is often quoted and the 25x rule has become a source of truth in the financial independence retire early (FIRE) community.  Full Article: The Science Behind the 25x Rule of Retirement (Trinity Study) Resources Mentioned in the Episode: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
22:16
December 09, 2019
#9 Why I Deleted My YouTube Channel (8k subs & 3mil views)
I deleted my YouTube Channel that had over 8,000 subscribers and 3 million views. Why would anyone do that? This is why!  Resources Mentioned in the Episode: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
24:14
December 06, 2019
#8 - All About the WGU MBA Program
I officially completed all of the requirements of the Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degree through Western Governors University (WGU). This is my review of the WGU Masters of Business Administration (MBA) program.  Full Article: “All About the WGU MBA Program.” Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
22:33
October 26, 2019
#7- 3 Steps to Index Fund Investing
Index funds are a great way to invest for the long term, but there are many to choose from. Each having there own strategy, expenses and other defining factors that set them apart.  Full Article: “3 Steps to Index Fund Investing.” Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
13:29
October 18, 2019
#6 - FIRE Savings Rate for Early Retirement
The higher your savings rate, the more you can invest each month the quicker you can reach financial independence. In order to increase your savings rate, you need to be able to save money each month.  Full Article: “How to Save More Money.” Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
26:19
September 19, 2019
#5- Is a Recession Coming? Defining a Recession
Today's episode is about the upcoming recession. A recession is defined as, “a period of temporary economic decline during which trade and industrial activity are reduced, generally identified by a fall in GDP in two successive quarters.” It’s not so scary when you call it what it is. It’s a temporary period of time when there is a contraction in the economy, not expansion. We all know the saying, “what goes up, must come down.” The stock market wouldn’t be the stock market if it always increased in value. An indefinite bull market wouldn’t work. There would be no exchange. Just as the value of a single stock fluctuates throughout the day, week, month year, so too does the economy. It’s just the way it is. Full Article: "Is a Recession Coming? The Definition of a Recession."  Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
17:30
September 02, 2019
#4 - Creating a Budget, Financial Communication, Everydollar Budget
Today's episode is about budgeting. Developing a way to understand and control your finances. Too many times have we got to the end of the month and realized we didn't have enough money in checking to buy groceries or get gas. So we have to then transfer money from savings to checking. It's frustrating and can be the cause of many arguments. This was us about 3 years ago.  Separating from the military and going through college on a shoestring budget was not easy. In fact, it was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. Luckily, when the idea of a budget came up, Kayla was all for it. Her mom was a budget believer and Kayla saw how much a budget allowed them to do on a lower income.  Full Article: "How to Create a Budget in Excel using a Template." Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
19:50
August 27, 2019
#3 - 9 Tips on Buying a Car from a Dealership
Today we just bought a 2017 Used Honda Accord from a dealership. In this post, I’m going to break down for you why we made the decision we did, how it fits into our budget and some tips you can use if you ever decide to purchase a car.  Full article: 9 Tips on Buying a Car From a Dealership Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com  
26:21
August 20, 2019
#2 - How I Got Paid to go to College, Military Service, Post 9/11 GI Bill, Vocational Rehab
 Wow, that sounds like the ultimate clickbait title. It’s not. I got paid an average of $1200 a month to go to college for 5 years. Not only that, but I still received financial aid, grants, scholarships, and my tuition and books were completely covered. How did I do this?  The reason I had this amazing benefit was because of my military service and the crazy generous benefits that exist today. This post is largely for those influential youngsters out there. Unfortunately, the older you are the harder it may be to join a branch of the military.  The Post 9/11 GI Bill is an education benefit service members may be eligible for from serving in the United States Armed Forces. If you meet the criteria (time in service, honorable discharge) then you likely have access to this benefit. Here are the basics:   Doing rough math (because math is hard) my undergraduate was at an in-state branch campus university. The tuition was about $5,000 a semester. I attended for 9 semesters. Tuition alone would have cost me upwards of $40,000. I also received about $1400 a month in basic allowance for housing (BAH) to total about $55,000. It’s safe to assume that I received over $100,000 in value from my Post 9/11 GI Bill benefit.   Full Article: How I got Paid to go to College Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
16:07
August 16, 2019
#1 - What Financial Independence Retire Early Means to My Family
 The Financially Independent Retire Early movement has swept the nation in recent years. Though the concept has been around for decades, it’s been seen as a millennial-driven craze. The same people that talk down on my generation about laziness, willingness to work etc… are the same ones that are about to be left behind when it comes to retirement. In other words, they’re salty because they seeing people half their age with 10x the net worth.  Financial independence has various definitions. To me, it means that I have enough net worth to decide when, where and what projects I work on. It means I can walk into the office tomorrow and tell my boss that I quit (I can’t do that… yet). It means I can pay myself a salary from my investments. The basic definition is as follows: Financially independent people have assets that generate income that is at least equal to their expenses.    Full Article: The Family Guide to Financial Independence Retire Early Financial Independence Resources: FIRE Goal Worksheet Money Marriage Checklist FIRE Flowchart FIRE Calculator Imagine if your family could learn to budget, save and invest enough to become financially independent before the age of 65. Hi, I'm Nick French! I'm here to show you through my own experience, exactly how you can get on the path to financial independence and reach retirement on or before the age of 65. FIREtheFamily.com
17:46
August 15, 2019