For The Long Run

Dorothy Beal: Marathons and Mileposts

An episode of For The Long Run

By Jonathan Levitt
Exploring the why behind what keeps runners running long, strong, and motivated.

The cover photo is my Why: finishing my first 50k, which was a last minute change of plans due to TNF50 cancellation, supported and surrounded by some of the best humans in the trail running world.
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Reed Fischer: Tinman Elite and Marvel Comics
This week's guest is Reed Fischer. Reed runs for Tinman Elite in Boulder, CO. In this episode, we talked about: -how Tinman got started -how they approach training and connecting with fans -sponsorship -a few lighter/entertaining questions submitted from fans -Reed's focus on longevity and progress over time -staying motivated -his top three cereals -Reed's diet as a pro -much more! Follow along at and
September 13, 2019
Hayden Hawks: Running on Faith
This week's episode is with Hayden Hawks.  Hayden is a professional trail runner, husband, father, and coach.  In this episode, we talked about:  -what gets him really excited in life and sport -Western States training camp -UTMB -the strength and power of a mustache on race day -how he's honed his diet in the last few years  -how faith impacts his training and life -much more! You can find Hayden at and
September 6, 2019
Brad Lindeberg: Running on Dad Jokes
This week's guest is Brad Lindeberg, or as I like to call him, Dad Joke Brad. Brad is a hard working amateur runner, and in this episode we talked about: -Dad Jokes -what got Brad into running -what keeps Brad running -balance -some of the challenges he's faced -Brad the Kudos Bot -how he uses social media to connect with other runners -and much more! You can find Brad at and
August 30, 2019
Shalaya Kipp: Running on Science 🤓
This week's episode is with Shalaya Kipp. Shalaya is a runner, scientist, PhD student, and Olympian. In this week's episode, we went deep down the running nerd rabbit hole. We talked about: -the Nike 4% project -blood biomarkers and athletic performance -sponsorship as an elite athlete -her experience at the London Olympics in 2012 -what gets her really excited in life -much more! You can find Shalaya at and
August 23, 2019
Reid Buchanan: sharing the road towards excellence
This week's episode is with pro runner Reid Buchanan. Reid runs for On, and lives in Mammoth Lakes, California. He's one of my favorite athletes to follow because of his no-BS approach to training, social media, and life. In this episode, we talked about: -his journey and progression as a college athlete into a pro runner -why and how he's taken a calculated and long-term oriented approach -how he structures his training -his training environment in Mammoth Lakes, CA -how he uses social media... and much more! You can follow Reid's journey at and
August 16, 2019
Dorothy Beal: Marathons and Mileposts
This week's episode is with Dorothy Beal, founder of @mileposts and #irunthisbody. In this episode, we talked about: -listening to your body... and what that really means -why Dorothy loves racing marathons -why Dorothy loves racing MULTIPLE marathons in the same cycle -Dorothy's history with social media -the benefits of therapy and focusing on mental health... and much more! You can find Dorothy on Instagram at and on Twitter at!
August 9, 2019
Cat Bradley: from DFL to winning Western States
This week's guest is Cat Bradley. Cat's a pro trail runner for Salomon living in Colorado. In this episode, we talked about: -her love for 100 milers -what she's scared of -how she practices gratitude and appreciation on the run -SWAP Run Coaching -what keeps her going through tough times -fueling at altitude  -carrot cake -much more! You can follow along with Cat's adventures on Instagram at!
August 2, 2019
Neely Spence Gracey: life on the run in Colorado
This week's guest is Neely Spence Gracey. Neely is a professional marathoner for Adidas, and we covered a wide variety of topics in this episode including: -balance -mental training and coming back from a hard race -her entry into the running world -Top American at Boston 2016 -motherhood and pregnancy -sponsorship and childbirth -social media as a pro athlete -much more! Neely can be found on Twitter at and on Instagram at
July 26, 2019
Paddy O'Leary: running meets science meets community
This week's episode is with Paddy O'Leary. Paddy is an ultra runner from Ireland, living in San Francisco. In this episode, we talked about: -Getting into running -His experience leading and participating in November Project -Why he loves racing short distance trail races and cross country -His professional career as a cancer researcher -His relationship with his sponsors and thoughts on racing full time You can find Paddy at and!
July 19, 2019
Mike Wardian: truly loving the process
In this week's episode, Mike Wardian talks all about: -what it's like to race every weekend -some of the amazing adventures he's been on -what balance means to him -what scares him -what keeps him motivated -why he pushes his body to such limits You can find Mike at and!
July 12, 2019
Anna Mae Flynn: Making hard decisions and focusing on longevity in sport
Anna Mae Flynn and I sat down in Tahoe the week of Western States to talk about her DNS and what she and others can and should learn from it. In this episode we covered: -Longevity vs chasing short term goals -Connection and community in the trail world -Sharing the journey  -Future goals and much more! You can find Anna Mae on Instagram at
July 5, 2019
The Mocko Show X For The Long Run
This week’s guest is Chris Mocko.  Chris is a trail runner, ultra marathoner, and long distance specialist who is currently training for the Western States 100 Miler at the end of June.  We talked about what excites him about the hundred mile distance, as he feels he’s figured out the road marathon but still is pretty uncertain about the hundreds, which he finds to be a fun challenge to try and figure out. We talked about Mocko’s experience as a full time athlete, as he’s quit his job twice now. He talked about balance as well as his YouTube channel and general social media presence. Chris opened up a bit about vulnerability and the shared struggle of things not going well all the time, as well as what scares him.  Enjoy! Chris runs for Nike and hopefully one day, Kodiak Cakes. You can find Chris on Twitter at @chrismocko, on Instagram at @cmocko, and his YouTube at
June 27, 2019
Matt Daniels: From Sub-4 Miler to Western States 100
This week’s guest is Matt Daniels.  Matt is a trail and ultra runner, as well as a coach. Matt has run a sub 4 minute mile, and this summer he’s taking on the hundred mile distance for the first time, after coming from a track and short distance background. Talk about range!  Matt spent three years stationed in Japan with the US Navy. After that, he returned Stateside to run for a DII running powerhouse where he truly sharpened his speed and ran that sub 4 minute mile.  Over the next few years, he found himself loving the trails after moving to Boulder, Colorado, where we recorded this podcast.  We talked about the dangers of comparison and sticking to your own path, especially in a town like Boulder where the running joke is that “Boulder Average” means having a shoe sponsor. Towards the end of the episode we talked a little about mental strength and Matt’s experience with battling depression and how running helped to bring the joy back into his life. I hope you enjoy our chat!  Matt runs for Nike Trail, Unived Sports, Little Tree Labs, and InsideTracker.  You can find Matt at @mattdaniels480 on Twitter and Instagram!
June 21, 2019
Corrine Malcolm: Science Meets Ultrarunning
This week’s guest is Corrine Malcolm. Corrine is an ultra runner, coach, writer and scientist with a degree in Health and Human Performance, living in San Francisco, California.  We sat down to chat about all things ultra running and science, and this one had a lot of tangible takeaways for athletes, particularly heading into the summer. We talked about heat and altitude, as well as what got her into high performance sport as both an athlete and on the scientific side of things.  Corrine was training for nordic skiing at the Olympic level, and talked about how she was overtrained during the 2010-2012 Olympic Cycle in biathlon and found the trails and mountains and hasn’t looked back. We talked about how to find joy in the day to day, how to reframe discomfort as something productive, and so much more. Enjoy! Corrine runs for Adidas Terrex, InsideTracker, coaches for TrainRight, and writes for iRunFar. You can find Corrine on Twitter and Instagram at @corrinemalcolm.
June 14, 2019
Kyle Robidoux: the first visually impaired runner racing Western States
This week’s guest is Kyle Robidoux. Kyle is an avid skier, runner, local beer enthusiast, and non-profit manager who has worked tirelessly to ensure that he is not defined by the boundaries that others place on him and his vision.  Later this month, Kyle will be the first visually impaired athlete to race the Western States 100 miler… while having a visual field of about 2-5% of what a normal eye would see.  In this week’s podcast, Kyle and I talked about his experience as a visually impaired athlete and what motivates him to explore his limits both on the roads and on trails.  We talked about what got him into running, and why he continues to do it. Kyle’s no excuses approach is pretty awesome and I’m excited to follow along with his journey from Squaw to Auburn in just a few weeks! You can find Kyle on Twitter at @kylerobidoux and on Instagram at @blindbeerrunner
June 7, 2019
Sally McRae: Community and Connection
This week’s guest is Sally McRae. Sally is a pro trail runner, mother, wife, coach, speaker and world traveler.  Sally uses her platform as a pro athlete to connect with people all across the world, often through sport.  We sat down in Woodstock Vermont at Sarah Canney’s Rise Run Retreat, where Sally was a guest and speaker.  This was a fun one. As you’ll hear in this interview, I’m a big fan of Sally’s, and not just because of her accomplishments on the trails. If you follow her on social media, you know that she’s one of the most positive people out there, always supporting others and helping people to see the best in themselves.  We dug into that and talked about her history which has helped shape her into the person she is today, and about her fears and dreams.  This one could have gone on for hours, and I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!  Sally runs for Nike Trail, Spring Energy, Coros, O2 Health Lab, LiquidIV, Igloo, and InsideTracker. 
May 31, 2019
Teri of A Foodie Stays Fit
This week’s guest is Teri of a Foodie Stays Fit, which is her blog all about food and fitness. Teri was born and raised in Utah and now lives in North Carolina. She's run a handful of marathons, and we spoke on Wednesday after the Boston Marathon, so that’s why I might sound a little horse!  Teri wrote in her journal when she was 21 that one of her life goals was to qualify for Boston. At the time, she was running 11 minute miles, and over the years, she got closer and closer to making it happen, and eventually did. She has now run Boston twice! We talked about some of her tips for finding enjoyment and fun in the process, even if you’re far away from your goal. Teri just left corporate america after 13 years to run her own business. We dug into this, taking risks, and her take on balance. We also talked about how important racing something like a 5k can be, for the lessons you can learn in running and in life in general. You can find Teri on Instagram at @AFoodieStaysFit
May 24, 2019
David Roche and I talk training, life, puppies and capturing unicorns
I sat down with my coach to talk about our progress over the last year and what led into the Providence Marathon breakthrough, a race that we decided on only about 8 weeks out. We covered the idea that without struggle, successes aren’t as meaningful, and that acknowledging discomfort and pressure is necessary and helpful in both running and life. I hope there are a lot of fun takeaways in this one for everyone to learn from!
May 18, 2019
Tim Ritchie: A Little Real Talk
Tim and I spoke before the Boston Marathon, a race that he grew up watching as an athlete and coach at Boston College, which is right after Heartbreak Hill. In the interview which took place on the Friday before the marathon, Tim shared that he hadn’t run in the last 7 days and more about the dark place he was in leading up to race day and how he was managing that. Tim had a 2:21 debut at the 2013 Boston Marathon, and has brought his marathon time down to 2:11:56 en route to winning the USATF Marathon Championships at CIM in 2017. We talked about what got him out the door the first time, his progression and how he keeps the fire lit as a pro runner. We talked about his love for the journey, both his own and those of the athletes that he coaches now at UMass Amherst and with McKirdyTrained. We dug into his Why and the spiritual and religious connection he feels when he’s running and racing. Tim runs for Saucony and coaches at UMass Amherst and with McKirdyTrained, and can be found on Instagram at @timritchiewtd
May 17, 2019
Tyler Andrews: Setting Big, Public Goals
Tyler Andrews is a pro ultra runner who just raced in Hoka One One’s Project Carbon X 100k world record attempt. Tyler and I talked about setting challenging and very public goals, and why he loves continuing to do.  Tyler and I dug into what it means to be a successful runner, some tips on how to continue to improve over the years and his love of the process, and what balance means to him. Tyler runs for Hoka One One, Nuun Hydration and Strive Trips.  Enjoy! 
May 10, 2019
Talking Injury Prevention and Recovery with Stephanie Violett
Bonus episode! We're talking about injury prevention and recovery, when to rest and when to keep training, and how to continue to be your own best advocate when it comes to the medical system!
May 7, 2019
Stephanie Howe Violett: PhD, coach, ultra champion
Stephanie and I sat down while she was in Boston for the marathon, just after we shared a run around the Charles River.  Stephanie grew up in Minnesota, and raced Nordic Skiing and Cross Country at Northern Michigan University.  She fell in love with running on the trails after college in Bozeman Montana, where she was studying Exercise Physiology at Montana State University before she moved further West to Oregon to pursue a doctoral program at the University of Oregon studying Human Physiology and ultimately earning her PhD in Nutrition and Exercise Science.  Stephanie is the 2014 Western States champion, Course Record holder at the Lake Sonoma 50 Miler and has many other professional career highlights both academically and athletically.  Stephanie is passionate about nourishing the body through physical movement and real food. She also makes incredible pizza (trust me!) and loves cooking for and eating with friends.  We talked a lot about this some of the other components of running that fuel her passion for the sport, and what she’s seen change over the years in the trail running scene. Stephanie runs her own coaching and nutrition business, and also runs at the professional level for North Face, Clif Bar, Nathan, Squirrels Nut Butter, Julbo, Kahtoola, Drymax and InsideTracker! Enjoy!  
May 3, 2019
Andie Cozzarelli: Community
Andie Cozzarelli is a pro runner for Oiselle, Generation UCAN, Jasyoga, Big Spoon Roasters, InsideTracker, and the newly formed Raleigh Distance Project, that she helped to create. In addition to running, Andie is a former engineer turned real estate appraiser. Andie’s been a runner for nearly 15 years, and has learned a lot over that time. Andie is all about the community aspect of running, and joining Oiselle’s Haute Volee team in 2015 helped to kick start that.  In this episode, we talked about the Andie's community focus, her health journey over the last few years, and what keeps her excited about running. We sat down while she was in Boston for the marathon, so please forgive us if we still seem to have a second hand runners high or a lack of a voice from too much cheering!
April 26, 2019
Peter Bromka: Keep On Dreaming Even If It Breaks Your ♥️
Peter Bromka is a marathoner with Bowerman Track Club Elite, a father and husband, as well as a writer and consultant living in Portland, Oregon. Peter has roots in the Boston area, attending Tufts University for undergrad, and is on a passionate journey to achieve the Olympic Trials Marathon Standard, a 2:19. In this podcast we talked about setting and striving for big scary goals, and what it takes to see progress like he's seen over the years.  We talked a lot about numbers and pace in this episode. While Peter's pace is faster than most, the goal is to help explain that no matter if you're running a 2:19 marathon to qualify for the Olympic Trials, a sub 3 marathon (or 3:30) to Boston Qualify, or twice that, you can always strive for more.
April 19, 2019
Amanda Brooks: Run to the Finish
Amanda Brooks is a runner, avid traveler, coach, journalist, and much more. Amanda lives in Colorado, and has been blogging about running for nearly a decade. We talked about the progression of social media and what she's seen change over the years, her soon to be released book, her tips on recovering from injury, and much more!
April 12, 2019
Emily Saul: Community to the Core
Emily Saul is a mover, shaker, and hugger. As co-leader of November Project Boston and a sport psychology coach, she's all about the power of community and just showing up, for yourself, and for each other. In the podcast, we talked about sport psychology and the importance of therapy (both in and out of sport!), community, what keeps her motivated on a long day or on a morning where she'd prefer to ignore the alarm and stay in bed, where her energy comes from, and much more.  Emily can be found on Instagram at @emilysaulboston. Her new work is called E Saul Movement, and if you're interested you can message her on Instagram or through the Wellness In Motion Boston website!
April 5, 2019
Devon Yanko: Health Comes First
Devon Yanko lives in California where she enjoys both trail and road running. Devon co owns a bakery called MH Bread and Butter. We talked about what keeps Devon excited about the running community, the Donner Party 50k that she helped support, sponsorship and how the running community has changed over the years, and all about the importance of being in control of your health and being your own strongest advocate.
March 29, 2019
Seth Waltz: Common Athlete
Seth Waltz is a runner living in Boston with a running squad about as big as his goals. Seth, or "Common Athlete" not only knows everyone in the Boston running community, but runs with just about all of them on a weekly basis. We talked training, motivation, and how he went from nearly a 4 hour marathon to his goal of lining up in the elite corral at the Boston Marathon... and why that's important to him. 
March 22, 2019
Adrienne Langelier: the Psychology of Sport
Adrienne Langelier is a sport psychology consultant and we dove into the mental side of training. We talked about how to crush anything from a 5k to a marathon and beyond, and more about the value of being able to accept that a race is going to (and should) be painful. There are some great tips for dealing with and managing injuries, as well as many other awesome takeaways from this one!
March 15, 2019
Magda Boulet: Running Down a Dream
Magda Boulet is the VP of Innovation at GU Energy Labs and runs for Hoka. She has many podiums and race wins to her name, including the prestigious Western States 100, and she’s also a US Olympian in the marathon. In today’s episode we talked about how Magda got her job at GU nearly 20 years ago, and how things have changed since then. We also talked about GU’s partnership with InsideTracker, and how Magda and her team have used a science based approach when it comes to product innovation. Magda clearly loves the running community, and what got her out the door the first time was simple: to make friends. Magda shared some tips on how to manage a busy career alongside her training and family life, as well as what gets her excited when it comes to training, travel, and racing. What Magda seems to have the most pride in talking about is how she is able to inspire other runners as well as her son Owen to see that anything truly is possible, and that dreams are certainly worth chasing, no matter how big they are. 
March 8, 2019
Sarah Duffy: On Keeping the Fire Lit
"Sometimes you have to listen that there's no fire within." I sat down to chat with Sarah while she was in Boston to get some practice on the course on a mid January weekend. We shared the magic of the Newton Hills, full of runners and volunteers handing out water, and it stoked the fire for Sarah's upcoming training cycle. We talked about motivation, taking time off, and how to keep that fire lit.
March 1, 2019
Allie Kieffer: Body Positivity and Staying Authentic
Allie Kieffer is a professional runner for Oiselle and Asics, We talked about how she got into the sport, how she briefly got out of it and then back in again. Allie shared her passion for body positivity, and we talked about trends in social media and the requirements of being an athlete in today's day and age, and much more. Find Allie on Twitter at @AllieKieffer and Instagram at @KiefferAllie
February 22, 2019
A chat with HOKA NAZ Elite’s Coach Ben Rosario
I sat down with Ben Rosario, head coach of the HOKA Northern Arizona Elite team to talk about his background in running, and how he brings out the best in his athletes. We covered the benefit of a process oriented approach versus being goal/time oriented, leaning into the pain of a tough race, a look into what it's like to train as a pro athlete, why you should sign up for something out of your comfort zone... and much more!
February 16, 2019
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