Fruiting Bodies
By FRUITING BODIES COLLECTIVE
Fruiting Bodies Nov 06, 2021
Mariah Makalapua: Decolonizing Healing
In episode 6 we are joined by our dear sister-friend, Mariah Makalapua of Medicine Collective. Mariah is the creator of Medicine Collective, a medicine woman, a mother, an artist, a healer, a gardener and a community builder. In this episode she shares with us about Indigenous wisdom and ways of life and dives deep into the beautiful and essential practice of decolonization with us. Thank you, Pua, for your brilliance and wisdom! Much love!
Links mentioned:
Instagram: @medicine.collective
Website: medicinecollective.com
What’s in the episode:
Mariah’s background (3:22)
Feeling called to hold space for people in your community (6:00)
Decolonizing myself (11:45)
Having an interest in vs. feeling called to something (14:45)
Heritage, lineage, and Indigenous Wisdom (19:15)
The importance of honoring traditions (23:15)
The lack of Indigenous Elders in the legalized space (24:40)
Find the beauty in your own lineage (30:00)
Being in service to the relationship you have with yourself (31:30)
Safety (34:30)
The confusion of trying to organize this fluid work into such a rigid construct (39:00)
The fear of what could happen (42:00)
The hope of what could happen (42:50)
Collective healing and liberation (44:00)
What’s happening with Medicine Collective? (46:00)
The absurd cost of land (49:17)
Detachment from nature (52:05)
Dreamy Dream (54:20)
What does healing mean to you? (59:54)
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a supporter, and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
AJ Mcreary: Feeding The Community With Love & Dignity
In episode 5 we are joined by our good friend AJ McCreary, of the Equitable Giving Circle.
AJ is the co-founder and Executive Director of the Equitable Giving Circle, a Black woman and Black femme led organization that is creating real economic impact by sharing food, housing, and wellness with the community.
About our guest:
AJ McCreary is from Portland OR. She is a community maverick who has been working locally for 15+ years. AJ specializes in marketing strategies and fundraising through an Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion lens. Her education background and degrees are in spatial art and Black history. She actively and openly is always working on further decolonizing herself, her work, and is actively relearning cultural practices lost to colonization. A lot of AJ's work includes activism around cannabis. Before launching EGC AJ worked on a cannabis topical line and hosts private cannabis events including the elusive Hiiiiiii Tea women and femme networking event.
Links mentioned in our conversation:
Instagram: @EquitableGivingCircle
What’s in this episode:
AJ’s background (3:52)
I don’t like to rest (8:55)
Fun is not for me (10:30)
The start of Equitable Giving Circle (12:30)
It’s not that complicated (17:37)
USDA food boxes (18:20)
Improving the health and wellness of the community (19:37)
Delivering value to people’s doorsteps (22:00)
Inspiring others to serve better (23:30)
Our team genuinely cares (25:40)
Collecting the data (27:55)
A recent major accomplishment (28:55)
The disconnect from philanthropy to the general public (33:10)
Assumptions of non-profit vs for-profit (36:25)
Scarcity model (38:20)
Finding creative funding avenues (40:15)
Portland’s uniqueness (43:55)
We’ve got a racism problem here (46:55)
A pathway to liberation for Black folks (49:06)
AJ’s future plans (50:00)
A message to white people (51:38)
Dreamy Dream (54:08)
What does healing mean to you (56:13)
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a supporter, and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Dr. Angela Carter: Weaving "Harm Reduction" & Psychedelic Health Equity
Season 2 is bringing so much wisdom and useful information!
In episode 4 we are joined by Dr. Angela Carter, our dear friend and trusted mentor.
Dr. Angela Carter (they/them) is a white, transgender, genderqueer, queer, neuroqueer, disabled, dirt worshiping naturopathic physician living in Portland, Or. They manage Oregon’s measure 110 substance use decriminalization and recovery program. They are also the Oregon Psilocybin Advisory Board vice chair and co-chair of the Equity and Training subcommittees. Angela is deeply committed to health equity and justice work, and ensuring that trauma informed care and racial and social justice are imbued into the fabric of our culture and government. They enjoy the company of cats, crocheting, and getting lost in the woods looking for mushrooms.
Links mentioned in our conversation:
Contact Angie: angelacarternd@gmail.com
What’s in this episode:
Angie’s background (3:29)
Beginning Naturopathic Medicine (4:22)
Queer Activism (5:30)
Burner Community Work (8:30)
Sitting with folks experiencing psychedelic journeys (8:55)
Fireside Project and Oregon Psilocybin Program (9:45)
Unified vision (12:00)
Working from a de-colonized perspective (13:55)
The limitations of a western medicine mindset (15:40)
We should be asking the community (19:18)
Building trust to encourage community engagement (21:04)
Listening sessions (24:10)
Accessibility to information for marginalized communities (26:40)
Following through on lip-service (30:04)
The lack of trust from folks in the underground (32:01)
The spectrum of people on the board (33:00)
The intersections between measure 109 and 110 (36:10)
“Harm reduction” - “Benefit Maximization” (38:12)
Provide a structure for people to relate to themselves (39:55)
Learning how to get out of the way (41:55)
Importance of the inner work (43:00)
Assessment for facilitators without shared experience (43:30)
No fast-track for personal decolonization (44:35)
Implement a restorative justice process and continuing education (50:30)
Dreamy dream (52:40)
What does healing mean to you? (55:37)
Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Angie Carter for joining us. What a gift. Follow them on Instagram at @clitocybe_nuda.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a supporter, and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Courtney Watson: Ancestral Realms & The Practice of Remembering
In episode 3 we are joined by Courtney Watson. Courtney is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Sex Therapist. She is the owner of Doorway Therapeutic Services, a group therapy practice in Oakland, California focused on addressing the mental health needs of Black, Indigenous, People of Color, Queer Folks, Trans, Gender Non-conforming, Non-binary and Two Spirit individuals. Courtney has followed the direction of her ancestors to incorporate psychedelic assisted therapy into her offerings for folks with multiple marginalized identities and stresses the importance of BI&Poc and Queer providers offering these services. She is currently blazing the trail as one. of the only predominantly QTBIPOC providers offering Ketamine Assisted Therapy in 2021. She has also founded a non-profit, Access to Doorways, to raise funds to subsidize the cost of ketamine/psychedelic assisted therapies for QTBIPOC clients.
Links mentioned in our conversation:
What’s in this episode:
Courtney’s background (2:55)
“Professionalism” (4:30)
Becoming a therapist (6:20)
Scholar of human sexuality (7:00)
Shortcomings in the world of psychedelics (9:40)
Meeting folks part way to educate (12:20)
Being in right relationship (13:18)
How can you talk about altered states of consciousness and not talk about spirit? (14:30)
Earth erasure in this field (16:00)
Co-creation with people from marginalized communities (20:05)
Ketamine as medicine (21:45)
The ketamine spirit is perfect for therapy (24:36)
These synthetic molecules have intelligence (27:00)
Equity of sourcing and profiting (28:00)
The genius of the plant world (31:08)
Finding a therapist who relates to your lived experience (33:25)
Information to help move in the right direction (35:30)
Integrity in the medicine space (37:47)
The term “Holding Space” (38:39)
Going back and retrieving the wisdom of things that were pushed into the shadows (41:00)
“The old woman at the end of the village” (43:30)
Dreamy dream (45:45)
What does healing mean to you? (50:00)
The importance of elders (53:20)
Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Courtney Watson for joining us. What a gift. Follow her on Instagram at @doorwaytherapeutics.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Ismail Ali: Ecosystems Of Change
Hope y'all are ready to take the drug policy conversation to the next level!
In Episode 2, we are joined by Ismail Ali, an esteemed colleague who is best known for serving as legal counsel at the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). For over a decade, Ismail has been involved with efforts around drug policy reform, ending mass incarceration, and creating conditions for social and cultural transformation. It was a delight to dive into this dialogue and remember the glimmers of what we're all working toward together.
About Ismail: As MAPS' Acting Director of Policy and Advocacy, Ismail advocates to eliminate barriers to psychedelic therapy and research,
Links mentioned in our conversation:
MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies)
What’s in this episode:
How Fruiting Bodies and Ismail met (haha!) (4:25)
Ismail’s bio and background (6:15)
Seeing through the American Dream mythology (7:25)
Pursuing law as a facet of social and cultural change (8:20)
Building MAPS policy and advocacy department (9:50)
Emergent space in psychedelics (11:55)
History of MAPS & current efforts (12:38)
Self-sustaining, MDMA-powered drug policy engine (15:09)
What would a legal post-prohibition environment look like? (15:50)
Measure 109 - State level policy change on the rise (16:35)
Public education and harm reduction (18:00)
The current system is not working (20:07)
Nuance of the highly regulated healthcare system (20:50)
What binds us together? (21:45)
Thinking big picture, multi-generational (22:40)
Drug policy in an existential expansion (23:20)
“Shared imagination of what is possible” (24:30)
“Working within or without the superstructure, the status quo” (26:22)
Idealism (27:30)
“A battle of the imagination” (28:15)
Mental health in mainstream conversation (29:05)
Activism and Incrementalism (30:11)
“Revolution is not just theory, it’s also infrastructure” (31:55)
What’s happening in California - SB519 (34:20)
Dreamy dream (41:50)
Celebration without reservation (42:30)
Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Ismail Ali for joining us. What a gift. Follow him on Instagram at @sage_izzy.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Rebecca
Micah Stover: Where Pleasure and Pain Meet
We’re BAAAACK! :) Season 2 of Fruiting Bodies Podcast is here! This is the first interview of the season.
In Episode 1, we are joined by Micah Stover, a mother, trauma midwife, psychedelic guide, and integration specialist. Micah’s path has taken her from rural Tennessee to Portland’s psychedelic underground, to the beautiful land of Mexico. Join us for this vulnerable, bold and juicy conversation. In this episode we discuss intergenerational trauma, somatics, feeling it to heal it, parenthood, rebirthing ourselves through psilocybin medicine, and much more.
Links mentioned in our conversation:
What’s in this episode:
Micah’s origin story (2:56)
Being raised in the evangelical church (3:26)
Landing here, origin of coaching practice (4:55)
How she found her way to medicine work (5:56)
Lineage of paternal trauma (7:00)
How she came to mushrooms as medicine (8:42)
Turning point (10:35)
Psilocybin curiosity (11:11)
“I need those mushrooms” after becoming a mother (12:23)
Watching what is developing in Portland (13:13)
Experience of overcoming stigma of intersecting identities (15:00)
“Community is like a daily practice” (17:46)
Thoughts on global digital community (18:40)
Accessibility of work during pandemic (19:10)
Intergenerational Trauma (21:35)
“You have to feel it to heal it” (24:25)
“It’s a different perspective when you don’t take it personally” (25:00)
Embracing duality (28:04)
Somatic experience of psilocybin work (29:41)
Childbirth - pleasure and pain (34:35)
Watching her children exist freely (38:03)
Thoughts on effectiveness of psilocybin therapy (40:46)
Integration and life preparation with clients (43:24)
“Where you work out your healing is in the mundane moments” (48:37)
Discussion of Micah’s book (49:38)
Intergenerational themes and opportunities (53:50)
Midwife - rebirth through psilocybin therapy process (55:05)
Lineage story from book (55:45)
Dreamy Dream (58:15)
Eudaimonia- happiness plus purpose (59:22)
What does healing mean to you? (1:00:59)
Thoughts to leave us with (1:02:48)
Huge thank you to the incredible, unforgettable Micah Stover for joining us. Follow her on Instagram at @micahsugarfoot.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
- Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
- Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
- Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
- Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
- Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
- All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Emmanuel Williams: History & Transformation
Wow, Season 1 of the Fruiting Bodies Podcast is winding down!!
This is our last interview of the season. In Episode 10, we are joined by the inimitable Emmanuel Williams, who is a fellow Portlander, father, educator, advocate, and world class counter racism strategist. He also happens to be a childhood friend of Elan’s.
Join us as we dive into an eye opening discussion that is essential for all of us, regardless of color, creed, or identity. In this episode we discuss healing the wounds of white supremacy, how to talk to people about racism, the historical facts that are missing from many conversations about race, growing up within religion, and much more.
We are so excited to share this episode with you all. This is an important episode full of insights for listeners who want to better understand the Black experience or who have gone through major shifts on their spiritual paths. It left us wanting to quote the whole episode!
Links mentioned in our conversation:
Website: Emmanuelwilliams.co
Email: ypdevelopement2030@gmail.com
Instagram: @emmanuelsince85
Podcast: Sox and Sandals Podcast (found in all listening apps)
Donations: Cashapp $emmanuelwilliams85
What's in this episode:
Emmanuel’s origin story (2:17)
What it was like leaving Portland and moving back (3:44)
The desire to make a difference (4:54)
How he turned his podcast into a business (6:44)
Know your enemy (8:18)
Who Emmanuel serves (10:32)
How to talk to people about racism (14:35)
History repeats itself (21:40)
Dismantling racism is a lifelong effort (23:33)
What to do if people don’t want to talk about race (24:57)
Learning more about yourself while podcasting (25:13)
Spirituality of psychedelics (28:10)
Life in the church, unlearning and relearning spiritual heritage (32:23)
Researching Christianity and what he found (37:06)
Emmanuel’s journey learning about being a Hebrew Israelite (38:27)
What it was like learning about religion (41:31)
Church: the only safe space for us (44:47)
We need mutual respect and care in relationships (49:46)
The journey to overcoming racism (50:00)
Closing thoughts (1:00:00)
What is your dreamy dream? (1:03:00)
What is healing to you? (1:06:00)
Where to find Emmanuel (1:08:00)
Huge thank you to the incredible, unforgettable Emmanuel Williams for joining us. Follow him on Instagram at @emmanuelsince85
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan
Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Buki Fadipe: Layers of Healing and Authenticity for The People
In Episode 9, we are joined by the brilliant and lovely Buki Fadipe, who is a dear friend, artistic creator and educator who has been an influential colleague to us at Fruiting Bodies Collective.
Join us as we dive into an informative discussion that is essential to psychedelic healing: being a Black leader in the psychedelic community, healing trauma, the significance of ancestry, the need for better representation in the field, and much more.
We loved this discussion and are so excited to share it with you all. We know Buki will be an important voice in this movement for years to come. This is a very important and inspiring episode for listeners who are interested in healing their trauma or who are thinking about being a leader in the psychedelic community.
Links mentioned in this episode:
What's in this episode:
Buki’s origin story (1:51)
Buki’s mental health journey and getting into psychedelics (7:52)
Building relationship with mushrooms? (16:06)
The effects of trauma & Elan’s experience with Salvia (19:00)
Some of the different layers of healing (21:29)
Buki’s Ancestral Healing journey and what it means to her (22:55)
How Buki became a healer (26:54)
Buki’s role in Adventures In OM & where she hopes to take it (29:27)
The perception & laws of psychedelics in London, England (33:36)
Buki coming out as a psychedelic user (36:28)
Disclaimer: Don’t ask educators for psilocybin mushrooms! (38:13)
The Importance of Black leaders in the psychedelic community (40:48)
Rant: Imposter Syndrome & Include more Black people in trials (47:32)
Our thoughts on money grabbing leaders (54:39)
Big companies vs smaller businesses in the psychedelic community (58:52)
Thoughts on the future of psychedelics (1:00:39)
Should we be suspicious? (1:02:18)
What does healing mean to you? (1:03:58)
What is your dreamy dream? (01:05:30)
Collaborating together (1:08:08)
Closing words & loving up on one another (1:10:26)
Huge thank you to the incredible, unforgettable Buki Fadipe for joining us. Follow her on Instagram at @adventures.in.om
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan
Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Evan Segura: Uplifting Unheard Voices & A Call To Do Better
In Episode 8, We are joined by our dear friend and colleague Evan Segura. Evan is a community organizer, amateur mycologist, traveler, and basically a mushroom on two legs. This was the first interview we ever recorded and it was such a delight to start our podcast life with a dialogue that embodies our values. Mentorship, community, accountability, humor, and learning as an avenue toward healing.
Mentioned in this episode (Visit our blog for live links):
Plant Parenthood & Rebecca Kronman
Drug Use For Grown-Ups by Dr. Carl Hart
Carolyn Fine & Psychedelic Equity Project (Love y'all!)
Saffron & Psilocybin for ADHD
The Ancestor Project Mutual Ceremony Fund
Calling In vs. Calling Out
Students for Sensible Drug Policy
What's in this episode:
Leading while young (3:00)
Occupation is not identity (3:30)
What this movement needs (5:30)
The unsung helpers & healers (6:05)
Evan's roots in psychedelia from age 13 on (7:00)
Believing the Earth when we can't believe in people (8:00)
How mushrooms helped Evan feel better (10:00)
Why introductory education about psychedelics is an access issue (11:00)
Evan’s travels, how he serendipitously ended up in Portland at 18 (13:30)
Evan’s beloved mentor, the late Matt O’Brien (17:00)
Leading at Portland Psychedelic Society (20:00)
Sporulating all over the world (23:30)
What has surprised Evan most about the space (24:15)
How important anti-oppression work is in leadership within psychedelics (26:00)
The more profitable a company is, the more we expect in equity work and reparations. Time to step up. (28:00)
Religious experiences and psychedelics (30:00)
Saffron & psilocybin microdosing for ADHD (32:00)
It’s on white leaders to ensure diversity in leadership (& why this is so important) (34:30)
Healthy peer pressure & accountability (36:00)
Respect, not tokenization (36:30)
White allies helping white allies (39:00)
Language for calling in vs calling out (40:00)
Destigmatizing all drug use, psychedelic exceptionalism & privilege (44:00)
Carl Hart’s book, Drug Use For Grown-Ups (45:30)
Evan’s dreamy dream (47:00)
Developing less land & using what is already here (49:30)
What healing means to Evan: rest and lifelong learning (51:00)
Having friends older than you with lived experiences (55:00)
Huge thank you to the wonderful, brilliant Evan Segura. Follow Evan on Instagram at @evanisamushroom and check out the Portland Psychedelic Society at their website or Instagram at @portlandpsychedelic.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Go send them some love!
Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan @namaste.productions
Studio space, Mariah Makalapua at @Medicine.Collective
Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners, like you!
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Women on Psychedelics: A Walk Between Order and Chaos
In Episode 7, We are joined by two dear friends and collaborators situated across the pond. Tian Daphne (a new mother-- bless, bless!) and Jess Lagarde are the co-founders of Women on Psychedelics, also known as WOOP. Women on Psychedelics is a global online platform dedicated to destigmatizing women’s mental health and psychedelic healing. Tian is originally from Singapore and Jess is from Brazil. The two met on a medicinal mushroom farm in Amsterdam, where they both now reside.
Join us as we dive into a heartfelt and important discussion about leadership, accountability, preventing harm, education, diversity, integration and much more. You may laugh with us and tear up with us. You have been warned.
Check out the North Star, which Jess mentions, a non-profit organization offering an Ethics Pledge for leaders and professionals within psychedelics.
What's in this episode:
Jess’ Introduction (2:29)
Tian’s Introduction & life in Singapore, which is notoriously hard on drugs (3:30)
Coming out as a drug user (5:11)
How Tian and Jess met (7:02)
Jess’ first psychedelic experience and what she learned (8:13)
Diversifying the psychedelic community (9:15)
Impact since starting WOOP (11:15)
Leading from within (12:05)
Encouraging diversity in psychedelics (14:22)
Where do you see WOOP going, Jess? (15:29)
Mom Brain (giggle fest) (16:51)
Where do you see WOOP going, Tian? (18:16)
Outcomes of education (20:46)
Why it’s important to have dedicated spaces for women to experience psychedelics (21:03)
Accountability is important, but how can we prevent harm from occurring? (26:13)
Systemic inequality with drug enforcement (31:58)
Connecting with community (32:45)
Holding shamans accountable for harm (38:15)
Psychedelics won’t cure us. We have to do the work ourselves (41:55)
Aunt Elan’s life lesson: Be intentional, it will change your life (43:19)
Reflections on WOOP’s rapid rise into the spotlight (46:25)
Our thoughts on Seaspiracy (51:12)
Current and future collaborations (55:15)
Closing questions:
Tian, what is your dreamy dream? (55:53)
Jess, what is your dreamy dream? (57:30)
What does healing mean to you, Jess? (1:00:49)
What does healing mean to you, Tian? (1:02:11)
Closing thoughts (1:03:26)
Huge thank you to the wonderful Tian and Jess for joining us. Follow them on Instagram at @womenonpsychedelics or visit their website at womenonpsychedelics.org
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Go send them some love!
Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan
Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners, like you!
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Marge Jacobsen: Black Healing & Psychedelics
In Episode 6, We are joined by Margaret Jacobsen, or MJ (they/them), who is a dear friend, parent, community leader, educator, and one of the most loving people we know. We explore some deeply personal topics with humor and heart. MJ tells it like it is.
Join us as we dive into a meandering discussion that intersects with psychedelic healing: raising biracial children, unconventional parenting, postpartum depression, the importance of self-care and therapy, being a voice for the Black community, and a bunch of fun and serious tidbits in between.
This is a powerful and important episode. We invite listeners who are new to listening to Black voices and perspectives to set an intention to truly hear what is being expressed. We can begin to heal when we return to a heart-centered way of relating: honoring our shared humanity, listening with intent to understand, and validating lived experiences that are different from our own. What's in this episode:
Getting to know MJ (3:43)
Being Black in Oregon and love for the outdoors (4:42)
Unconventional parenting and being open with our children about racism (7:10)
Growing up within religion (12:48)
Raising kids and are playdates all that great? (13:22)
Taking other people’s advice on raising children (15:15)
MJ’s journey through postpartum depression and their experience with talk therapy (16:06)
Stigma within the church toward therapy and psychedelics (19:05)
Why self-care is so important (21:19)
MJ’s spiritual insurance policy and what we want Heaven to be like (23:28)
Psychedelics in the Black community (25:54)
Voodoo and witches (32:15)
The unfair treatment of Black folks within legal cannabis (34:09)
The power of pleasure and self worship (38:29)
MJ’s dreamy dream (42:45)
Interesting hobbies and passions (45:21)
What does healing mean to you? (47:39)
This episode is not to be missed. Huge thank you to the wonderful Margaret Jacobsen for joining us. Follow them on Instagram at @margejacobsen.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Go send them some love!
- Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan
- Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
- Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
- All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Lola Milholland: Drug-Positive Household
This is the beginning of an interview series which seeks to paint a large picture of the healing justice movement, of which psychedelic medicine is just one piece. We are joined by Lola Milholland, an award-winning writer, newsletter author of “Group Living”, CEO of Umi Organics, and creative event planner. In this episode, we get to know Lola and learn about her experiences growing up in a drug-positive household. We explore numerous topics: mushrooms, being a small business owner, and family life in an unconventional, drug-positive environment. This conversation is hugely relevant to listeners who are new to the psychedelic renaissance or interested in how psychedelics intersect with other communities, disciplines and forms of advocacy.
What you’ll find in this episode:
How Elan and Lola met (1:35)
Lola’s origin story (4:23)
How she was shaped by exposure to different cultures (6:23)
Lola’s first mushroom experience (8:25)
Umi Organics, sliding scale pricing and food justice (9:41)
Her newsletter, “Group Living” (10:55)
Being outgoing and care-free (14:12)
How Lola’s parents decided to have a drug-positive household & considerations when talking with kids about drugs (16:13)
Valuable life lessons Lola learned from her parents (17:35)
How Becca is implementing drug-positive parenting with her son (20:10)
Co-parenting (22:40)
Assumptions about drug users, abolition, providing support and services to those who have been criminalized (23:05)
Running a business while openly supporting drug policy reform (25:12)
Closing questions for Lola:
What is your dreamy dream? (29:45)
What does healing mean to you? (31:50)
Links:
Newsletter: Group Living (substack.com)
Umi Organics Website: Umi Organic
Umi Organics Instagram: Umi Organic (@umiorganic) • Instagram photos and videos
Huge thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible:
- Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan
- Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
- Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
- All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Becca
Real Talk: Integration & Leadership
We have an exciting and diverse lineup of interviews coming out starting next week. Before we do, we wanted to pause to zoom out and discuss some important elements of this work. Every so often, we'll pause our regular interview format for a Real Talk episode where we can slow down and digest some of the larger themes we've been uncovering in our conversations.
In this conversational episode with Elan and Becca, we dive deep into the need to focus on integration of psychedelics and other peak experiences. We discuss the mantle of leadership in this space and ways to channel the outpouring of eagerness to get involved. You'll even get to hear Becca’s most challenging trip story.
What you'll find in this episode:
What is integration (2:20)
What a preparation session involves (9:49)
Supportive practices for integration (11:03)
Things to assess in your life before journeying [Inspired by the book Consciousness Medicine by Francoise Bourzat] (20:25)
Importance of set & setting (26:50)
Becca’s most challenging trip and why it went the way it did (28:38)
The potential to be retraumatized if you move too fast (32:50)
Pumping out ketamine therapy (35:08)
Shadow work and what it is (36:43)
The possible future of psychedelic facilitators (40:18)
Indigenous medicine keepers (42:49)
Leadership: Being specific gets results (45:20)
Representation in leadership will provide better access (48:32)
Shout out to our volunteers and community (50:52)
Huge thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible:
Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan
Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. You can also find show notes, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy at FruitingBodiesCollective.com. Thank you for supporting our mission!
-Elan & Becca
Sam Chapman: Healing Advocacy Fund
(Note: Rebecca was the primary host on this episode. Elan and Rebecca will often alternate roles.)
It was our pleasure to interview our friend and colleague, Sam Chapman, who played an instrumental role as Campaign Manager in the passage of Measure 109 (Oregon's new psilocybin therapy program). Sam is now the Executive Director of the Healing Advocacy Fund, a non-profit focused on ensuring the smooth and equitable rollout of the program. In this episode, we discussed:
Sam's origin story [2:05]
Sam's involvement with SSDP (Students for Sensible Drug Policy), medical cannabis legalization, and policymaking [8:20]
Sam's role in Measure 109 & Healing Advocacy Fund [10:55]
About Measure 109 [13:35]
Lessons from the cannabis field [21:00]
Hopes and aims for an equitable program [23:55]
The difference between legalization and decriminalization [47:15]
Message for white allies (& those who aspire to be allies) [58:40]
Elan speaks on allyship [1:01:35]
Big dreams for the future [1:09:05]
What healing means to him [1:15:45]
"We should absolutely decriminalize psilocybin and psychedelics. If you're claiming that you're doing this to end prohibition and the harms of the war on drugs, you've got to open your scope. People are not going to jail at the same rate for psychedelics as they are for other drugs. Decriminalization is simply the removal of criminal penalties for possession [Oregon's Measure 110]. Measure 109 is separate. It created its own bubble, which provides legal protection for you to provide or access psilocybin services within the legal structure. " -Sam Chapman
Huge thank you to Sam for joining us! To learn more about the Healing Advocacy Fund, visit their website here, or follow them on social media:
Twitter: @voteyeson109
Instagram: @healingadvocacyfund
If you'd like to support Fruiting Bodies, you can contribute to our GoFundMe, join our newsletter, and follow us on Instagram.
Rebecca Martinez: Fruiting Bodies Co-Founder
The second installment of our podcast launch is here! We've switched roles and put Rebecca in the hot seat.
Come get to know our beloved creative director and co-founder, Rebecca Martinez. Rebecca is an Oregon born and raised parent, author, farmer, and community organizer.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Rebecca's origins as a rebellious youth in a strict religious environment and her memoir, Edge Play: Tales From a Quarter Life Crisis (Available now in paperback and audiobook).
- The ways her experiences with family, police, and psychedelic healing shaped her advocacy around drug policy reform.
- Rebecca shares her vision for Fruiting Bodies. She explains why she believes embracing shadow is so important and how the healing movement can sometimes become bypassing.
”Having grown up as someone who was seen as rebellious and sneaky... I now recognize these are strengths as much as liabilities. If you are someone who wants to wants think outside of norms, structures and likes breaking rules, that creates a ton of opportunity for innovation. If that's steered in a way that's productive and helpful... rule breakers have shaped the world. Question everything. It's not just to tear things down, but to find the "YES." How are we going to find solutions unless we start asking better questions? To ask better questions, we have to think outside of structures constantly. It's an exercise of imagination. It's a creative discipline as much as it is about fighting the power.” -Rebecca
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. You can also find show notes, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy at FruitingBodiesCollective.com. Thank you for supporting our mission!
-Elan & Rebecca
Elan Hagens: Fruiting Bodies Co-Founder
The psychedelic healing movement has found its way into each of our lives in unique and unexpected ways. To start off this psilocybin-therapy-community-building-extravaganza that is Fruiting Bodies Collective on the right foot, we’re going back to our roots, back to the very beginning.
Come get to know our beloved CEO and co-founder, Elan Hagens. Elan is a Portland, Oregon born-and-raised gourmet mushroom entrepreneur, foraging and wildcrafting educator, and food justice advocate.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Elan’s origins as an inner city youth and the mentors who made her life in the woods possible.
- The magical ways her passion for dogs, nature, and earth based healing laid a path for her business, Temptress Truffles, and a decade later, Fruiting Bodies Collective.
- Elan shares her vision for Fruiting Bodies, and the unique struggles of being a Black woman in a white community and a largely white psychedelics movement.
”I want to make sure that we’re educating a broad range of people. Moms, dads, pastors, veterans. This isn’t just for our festival-goers or people who’ve already had the opportunity to have these psychedelic healing experiences.”
Topics discussed in this episode:
- Elan’s Origin Story [4:00]
- Mushroom 101: What do beginners need to know? [30:50]
- Fruiting Bodies vision & Elan’s healing philosophy [44:35]
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. You can also contribute to our fundraiser and join our email list at FruitingBodiesCollective.com. Thank you for supporting our mission!
-Elan & Rebecca