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In My Heart with Heather Thomson

In My Heart with Heather Thomson

By Heather Thomson

In My Heart is a podcast hosted by Heather Thomson and is about all things from entrepreneurship, to motherhood and marriage, nutrition, fashion, travel, adventure, friendships and above all, it is about sparking the curiosity we all have inside us that can help us explore our passions and live our dreams. It started with the concept of conversations with friends, experts, learning more, encouraging independent thinking, and digging deeper into topics to inspire new perspectives. Each week, she’ll speak to old friends and new about all the things in her heart and finding our freedom.
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In My Heart with Heather ThomsonJan 19, 2021

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Amy Phillips, actress, comedian and lover of all characters on Bravo. Known for her comedic renditions of Bravolebrities, she is an impersonator and host of Reality Checked on Sirius XM Radio Andy.

Amy Phillips, actress, comedian and lover of all characters on Bravo. Known for her comedic renditions of Bravolebrities, she is an impersonator and host of Reality Checked on Sirius XM Radio Andy.

Amy Phillips, a Grosse Pointe native, actress and comedian, began doing impressions at age 12. But it was her impression of throwback Bravo star, Rachel Zoe, that really got her career rolling. Her relationship with Andy and her love of all characters on Bravo, led her to today’s hosting of Reality Checked on Sirius, plus common guest on WWHL. Amy’s impersonations of the different ”Housewives” and other Bravo  cast members talks with Heather Thomson (former RHONY member) about her life, her road to being noticed by Andy Cohen, her role as a wife and mom, her aspirations, and how much fun she’s having with this niche role.

Aug 17, 202145:51
Melody Lomboy Lowe, cancer survivor, wife, mom, avid swimmer, author of beautiful photo book Beyond Remission and head of Luna Peak Foundation, serving the cancer and grief communities.

Melody Lomboy Lowe, cancer survivor, wife, mom, avid swimmer, author of beautiful photo book Beyond Remission and head of Luna Peak Foundation, serving the cancer and grief communities.

Melody Lomboy Lowe was diagnosed with cancer at age 6,with a 50% chance of survival. She went through cancer treatments for a few years and survived. She attributes it to positive attitude, and her parents treating her “normally as possible”.  Now, Melody lives life to it’s fullest with a positive attitude and gratefulness each day. She has definitely learned to lead a life with the least drama possible, and maintains a sense of calm. When two of her boys were diagnosed with autism, she never feels upset with troubles, she keeps her upbeat attitude and we will figure it out attitude, and her boys are high functioning and joys in her life. Hear her story as a cancer warrior  who started an organization called Luna Peak that helps cancer and grief communities, and helps us learn how to celebrate life and survive it each day.

Aug 10, 202136:13
Dr.Liia Ramachandra,creator of EpiLynx, allergen free and gluten free skincare for skin disorders such as psoriasis. All motivated by her own medical issues.

Dr.Liia Ramachandra,creator of EpiLynx, allergen free and gluten free skincare for skin disorders such as psoriasis. All motivated by her own medical issues.

Dr. Liia Ramachandra had psoriasis at 6 years old. As a scientist she was passionate about helping people with skin disorders, wanting to help people with visible skin issues and erase any emotional effects of depression due to looking unusual. Dr.Liia formed EpiLynx skincare   The products, which include numerous face creams and face serums, eye creams, lipsticks, highlighters, lip gloss and eyeshadow, are available online. Dr. Liia is a CEO, a mom, wife, Doctor and patient. She and Heather talk about Lila’s path and the good work she is doing for children and adults.  

Aug 04, 202154:30
Cortney Novogratz: Designer and Author

Cortney Novogratz: Designer and Author

Cortney Novogratz sits down with Heather to discuss her journey from real estate into design, her design philosophy, taking risks in life in spite of the fear, knowing your limits, and nurturing the people that make your life better. This mother of seven children and wife of Robert, her design/work partner has so many genius tips for ways to organize your things and home as well as living life as entrepreneur, artist, mom, wife, and reminds us the goal doesn’t have to be perfection.

Jul 27, 202136:25
Heather talks with Trace Albrecht and Genevieve Geaney founders of Spokenpoint, the virtual acupuncture service you can do at home.

Heather talks with Trace Albrecht and Genevieve Geaney founders of Spokenpoint, the virtual acupuncture service you can do at home.

SPOKENPOINT is the convergence of ancient medicine with modern technology to create the first ever virtual acupuncture service. Spoken Point delivers a safe and effective acupuncture experience in your home, on your schedule. Magnets take the place of needles to activate the points, and their digital library of treatments provides relief from many common conditions along with a specific meditation for that ailment.

Trace Albrecht and Genevieve Geaney talk about how the virtual idea happened, and how they made the kit that lets everyone create this experience on their own turf, on their own time. From allergies to headaches, there will be information in their library to help you.

Today, Trace will do a point with visualization for listeners, and explain how it works. Genevieve talks about how this helped with her getting pregnant, and through her pregnancy and how Spoken Point has specific points to help through all stages of pregnancy and post partum.

Jul 20, 202133:56
Dr. Wendy Osefo: Professor, Political Analyst, Entrepreneur and Cast Member of Real Housewives of Potomac

Dr. Wendy Osefo: Professor, Political Analyst, Entrepreneur and Cast Member of Real Housewives of Potomac

The Real Housewives of Potomac is back for a new season and Dr. Wendy Osefo joins Heather to discuss making history by becoming the first black woman to earn a PhD in Public Affairs/Community Development, how she deals with failures and celebrating successes, her philanthropic work as CEO of the 1954 Equity Project and how she balances her work as a professor, political analyst and entrepreneur with Real Housewives of Potomac.

Jul 13, 202151:56
Bugsy Drake, Queen of Theme and Chief Stew on Bravo’s Below Deck Mediterranean talks about work, dreams her new book and of course creating amazing parties.

Bugsy Drake, Queen of Theme and Chief Stew on Bravo’s Below Deck Mediterranean talks about work, dreams her new book and of course creating amazing parties.

Widely known for her role as Chief Stew on Bravo’s Below Deck Mediterranean, Christine “Bugsy” Drake, can be seen dazzling luxury yacht guests with her signature tablescapes and over-the-top theme parties. The self-proclaimed “Queen of Theme” possesses a personal style that often embellishes on her table decor and almost always includes large hoop earrings with her infamous barrettes.  Born in South Africa, Bugsy is a seasoned yachtie—having joined the floating hospitality world in 2013. Since then, she has sailed around the world entertaining the rich (and sometimes famous) on some of the finest luxury yachts. Bugsy brings a unique combination of professionalism, elegance, and spunk to each charter. Bugsy’s passion for hospitality knows no bounds—from craning thousands of dollars’ worth of ice sculptures onto a boat in St. Tropez to Q-tipping an entire bedroom clean, she has seen and done it all… But it’s her authentic love for elaborate table-settings and outrageous theme parties (complete with ridiculous costumes, of course), that continues to captivate both her demanding clientele and TV viewers alike, establishing Bugsy as an in-demand entertaining expert.  

In her new book,  "The Art of Tablescaping", Bugsy is serving up all her secrets for creating show-stopping table-settings and unforgettably enchanting events.  With an innate gift for spreading joy and happiness to others, Bugsy lives her life by the ethos of kindness— and her authentic positivity shines through in everything she does.

Jul 06, 202142:30
Kristin Hensley and Jen Smedley are the #IMOMSOHARD comedic duo that are both mothers and best friends

Kristin Hensley and Jen Smedley are the #IMOMSOHARD comedic duo that are both mothers and best friends

#IMOMSOHARD began as a popular web-series by real-life best friends, comedians, and moms Kristin and Jen. One night, over a glass of wine and many tears of frustration, these two friends decided to tell different kind of story. With a camera, two husbands, a babysitter, and bottomless mimosas, Kristin and Jen decided to speak openly about their fears and failures and prove that the only way to survive motherhood is through laughter and friendship. Good thing because, while shooting the first video for the series, Jen forgot her newborn daughter’s name. The video was a smash hit, sparking an online community of 2 million of the most engaged followers that social media has ever seen, confirmation that moms and women everywhere needed to laugh and to be heard. Kristin and Jen followed up with weekly videos about all things woman and mother: hemorrhoids, raising kids, keeping your sanity , sex after marriage, mom bods, and swimsuits.

Both women write and produce the #IMSH series with a common goal: Maybe we can make you feel better about the job you’re doing if you see the terrible job we’re doing. The videos have received nearly 300 million views worldwide, in just 3 years. The phenomenon that Kristin and Jen created, has since been nabbed for development by Warner Brothers TV. The comedians have sold-out two national tours and starting one in the fall, written a New York Times Best Selling book, landed branded deals with Fortune 100 companies such as Wal-Mart and Uni-Lever, and taped a standup comedy special for Amazon Prime Video, launching the network’s first standup comedy platform. In the coming months, the women will premiere their weekly podcast and announce a children’s book series with Harper Collins. Kristin Hensley and Jen Smedley are both based in Los Angeles and can often be found selling pizza slices for the PTA or working as parking enforcement at school drop off.

Jun 29, 202141:57
Keith Eshelman

Keith Eshelman

Prior to starting the outdoor lifestyle brand Parks Project, Keith was one of TOMS earliest employees. He was initially struck by discovering the overwhelming backlog of much-needed funding to complete projects in parks, and uncovered a need to educate the next generation of advocates. With that in mind, and taking key learnings from his previous ventures, he started Parks Project to show consumers that conservation can be cool and stylish. All of its products give back to specific conservation efforts focused on protecting our national parks. In only six years, what started as one t-shirt has now grown to dozens of apparel and home goods, and more than $1.3 million in donations to more than 50 conservatories that ensure the projects they’re committing to make the biggest impact.

Parks Project's mission is to protect and preserve our parklands for generations to come by educating, advocating, volunteering, and activating park supporters to get involved in conservation. To date, Parks Project has contributed over $1,200,000 to help fund vital projects in parks, paying it forward so we can leave it better than we found it. It’s inspiring to see the results of Parks Project’s work—2,822 native species planted in Muir Moods; 20,647 kids funded to visit a national park through the National Park Foundation; 58,800 meters of trail restored in Yosemite. Their goal is to fund 100 projects and log 100,000 volunteer hours in the next decade.


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Jun 22, 202152:04
Jackie Goldschneider: Writer and Cast Member of the Real Housewives of New Jersey

Jackie Goldschneider: Writer and Cast Member of the Real Housewives of New Jersey

As Heather Thomson continues to be on the current season of RHONY, we listen to her conversations with Housewives of the past and present. Heather is joined by Jackie Goldschneider, RHONJ Housewife and Writer, to discuss her career as an attorney and freelance journalist, her most memorable articles including “What I Lost When I Changed My Last Name” and the societal pressures we face as women, and her candidness about her struggles with anorexia.

Jun 15, 202145:14
Dorinda Medley: Entrepreneur & TV Personality

Dorinda Medley: Entrepreneur & TV Personality

As Heather Thomson continues to be on the current season of RHONY, we listen to her conversations with Housewives of the past and present. Today fellow Berkshires friend and former co-housewife, Dorinda Medley and Heather have some girlfriend chat.

Dorinda Medley, Entrepreneur and TV personality, joins Heather to discuss both of them growing up in Berkshires, spirituality, learning to accept your most honest self, and the new chapter in her life after leaving The Real Housewives of New York City.

Jun 08, 202134:18
Aviva Drescher
Jun 01, 202147:33
Carole Radziwill: Producer, Journalist & TV Personality

Carole Radziwill: Producer, Journalist & TV Personality

This week, Heather sits down with her dear friend and fellow Real Housewives of New York alum, Carole Radziwill. They look back on their days together on RHONY, take you behind the scenes, discuss Carole’s skin-care tips, and  the friendship that still goes strong.

May 25, 202139:23
D'Andra Simmons: Cast Member of Real Housewives of Dallas + CEO of Ultimate Living

D'Andra Simmons: Cast Member of Real Housewives of Dallas + CEO of Ultimate Living

D’Andra Simmons joins Heather to discuss growing up in a family with a background in health and wellness, the importance of forgiveness, her tips for using ‘reframing’ as a tool when feeling uncertain, the creation of Ultimate Living, and Hard Night Good Morning, her naturally derived, botanically based, cruelty-free skin care line.

May 18, 202152:41
Ann Louise Gittleman, author of over 30 books about nutrition, health, and slowing down aging. Her new book Radical Longevity is released May 11th

Ann Louise Gittleman, author of over 30 books about nutrition, health, and slowing down aging. Her new book Radical Longevity is released May 11th

Premiere expert as a nutritional visionary and health pioneer, Ann Louise has fearlessly stood on the front lines of diet and detox, the environment, and women’s health. She has fearlessly taken on the knowledge of stopping the aging process, thru science and mind, including diet and detox, supplements, type of cooking and cookware, specific good for you oils. She is always looking for causes and relief from multiple of issues, how to make sure you are aware of how to slow down aging and how to be your own prescriber based on blood type, facial signs, and so much more. Her newest book Radical Longevity is just released today.

May 11, 202152:20
Fawn Weaver: Entrepreneur, CEO and founder of Grant Sidney, Inc. + CEO of Uncle Nearest Premium Whiskey

Fawn Weaver: Entrepreneur, CEO and founder of Grant Sidney, Inc. + CEO of Uncle Nearest Premium Whiskey

Heather is joined by Fawn Weaver to discuss her experience as an entrepreneur for nearly 25 years and the decision to take a break and learn what it was like to be the employee, the history behind Uncle Nearest Premium Whiskey, and her alliance with Jack Daniel Distillery to create the Nearest and Jack Advancement Initiative to further diversity within the American whiskey industry.
Apr 27, 202147:09
Dr. Kerklaan: Founder of Dr. Kerklaan Therapeutics

Dr. Kerklaan: Founder of Dr. Kerklaan Therapeutics

Heather and Dr. Kerklaan discuss his background in pain management and his journey with CBD starting in 2013, his non-invasive approach to optimal health and the benefits of hemp extracts.

Apr 20, 202147:17
Jennifer Louden: Best-Selling Author and Self-Care Activist

Jennifer Louden: Best-Selling Author and Self-Care Activist

Jennifer Louden joins Heather to discuss her latest book "Why Bother?", how we can regain momentum when feeling discouraged, the importance of community and how she helps women get out of their own way and find their drive again.

Apr 13, 202152:48
Nathalie Kelley: Actress and Environmentalist

Nathalie Kelley: Actress and Environmentalist

Heather and Nathalie discuss her background as an actress and her pivot into environmentalism and dedication to the world and sustainability, her commitment to not buy one more piece of clothing for the entire year and her #NoNewClothesDiary, how soil can save us and her upcoming projects.

Apr 06, 202150:02
D'Andra Simmons: Cast Member of Real Housewives of Dallas + CEO of Ultimate Living

D'Andra Simmons: Cast Member of Real Housewives of Dallas + CEO of Ultimate Living

D’Andra Simmons joins Heather to discuss growing up in a family with a background in health and wellness, the importance of forgiveness, her tips for using ‘reframing’ as a tool when feeling uncertain, the creation of Ultimate Living, and Hard Night Good Morning, her naturally derived, botanically based, cruelty-free skin care line.

Mar 30, 202152:55
Ian Lirenman: CEO and Founder of EmerginC

Ian Lirenman: CEO and Founder of EmerginC

Heather is joined by Ian Lirenman to discuss his journey of creating one of the world's leading skincare brands with a commitment to effectiveness, sustainability and quality, education of natural products, and his experience in the beauty industry.

Mar 23, 202142:28
Karin Eldor: Forbes Journalist and Host of 'Share Of Voice' Podcast

Karin Eldor: Forbes Journalist and Host of 'Share Of Voice' Podcast

Karin Eldor joins Heather to discuss her career as a fashion editor andwriting for Coveteur, Teen Vogue, and Frobes, her advice for co-parenting, the importance of using your voice, and her mission to offer guidance and mentorship to women while encouraging them to live their best life

Mar 16, 202144:24
Petra Kolber: Speaker, Author, Host of The Perfection Detox Podcast

Petra Kolber: Speaker, Author, Host of The Perfection Detox Podcast

Heather and Petra Kolber discuss going against the societal norm, her new life as a digital nomad, finding peace with aging, helping women live a life of their dreams, and finding freedom in living in the moment.

Mar 09, 202143:52
Kristen Taekman: Entrepreneur

Kristen Taekman: Entrepreneur

Heather is joined by Kristen Taekman to discuss her road trip across the country, making the move back to LA, launching her blog, Last Nights Look and pivoting from a modeling career into an entreprenuer.

Mar 02, 202145:22
Dr. Wendy Osefo: Professor, Political Analyst, Entrepreneur and Cast Member of Real Housewives of Potomac

Dr. Wendy Osefo: Professor, Political Analyst, Entrepreneur and Cast Member of Real Housewives of Potomac

Dr. Wendy Osefo joins Heather to discuss making history by becoming the first black woman to earn a PhD in Public Affairs/Community Development, how she deals with failures and celebrating successes, her philanthropic work as CEO of the 1954 Equity Project and how she balances her work as a professor, political analyst and entrepreneur with Real Housewives of Potomac.

Feb 23, 202147:15
Jackie Goldschneider: Writer and Cast Member of the Real Housewives of New Jersey

Jackie Goldschneider: Writer and Cast Member of the Real Housewives of New Jersey

Heather is joined by Jackie Goldschneider, RHONJ Housewife and Writer, to discuss her career as an attorney and freelance journalist, her most memorable articles including “What I Lost When I Changed My Last Name” and the societal pressures we face as women, and her candidness about her struggles with anorexia.

Feb 16, 202145:01
Michele Promaulayko: Author of "Sugar Free 3" & Editorial-Director-At-Large for "The Well"

Michele Promaulayko: Author of "Sugar Free 3" & Editorial-Director-At-Large for "The Well"

Michele Promaulayko, Author and Editorial-Director-at-Large for THE WELL, chats with Heather about her latest book, Sugar Free, her suggestions on how to best deter cravings, and how she makes the plan more accessible and sustainable.

Feb 09, 202146:33
Bobbi Brown: Founder and CEO of Beauty Evolution

Bobbi Brown: Founder and CEO of Beauty Evolution

Bobbi Brown, Founder & CEO of Beauty Evolution and Jones Road Beauty, joins us to talk about her journey in makeup artistry and her story of entrepreneurship, her platform JustBobbi which includes all things wellness, beauty, travel and everything in between, and her recent endeavor, The George Hotel, which she transformed alongside her husband into a design-minded, boutique hotel in the heart of Montclair.

Feb 02, 202142:19
Emma Guns: Host of The Emma Guns Show

Emma Guns: Host of The Emma Guns Show

Heather is joined by Emma Guns, Host of The Emma Guns Show, to discuss growing up in the English countryside, landing her first job as a beauty editor for OK! Magazine, important live pivots and transitioning to a freelance career, and her podcast where she shares untold stories within the beauty industry.

Jan 26, 202147:43
Ty Hunter: Stylist

Ty Hunter: Stylist

Ty Hunter, stylist, joins Heather to discuss his journey from styling for Destiny's Child to Beyonce, some of the most iconic looks he’s created, using his platform as an inspirational and positive space with daily affirmations, and his devotion to being a provider, along with some of the sacrifices he’s made along the way for his career.

Jan 19, 202148:50
Bevy Smith: Media Personality and Author of "Bevelations: Lessons From a Mutha, Auntie, Bestie"

Bevy Smith: Media Personality and Author of "Bevelations: Lessons From a Mutha, Auntie, Bestie"

Bevy Smiths joins Heather to talk about the steps she took to change her life, transitioning from a fashion advertising executive into a media personality, rebranding herself, the two important books in her life that inspired her to pursue her passions, and her new book “Bevelations: Lessons from a Mutha, Auntie, Bestie”.

Jan 12, 202146:08
Dr. Pier Boutin: Board Certified Orthopedic Surgeon

Dr. Pier Boutin: Board Certified Orthopedic Surgeon

Dr. Pier Boutin, Board Certified Orthopedic Surgeon, joins Heather to discuss some ways to prevent bone loss, some overall health tips, the importance of finding a doctor that looks at the whole body and not just one symptom and advocating for your own health.

Jan 05, 202151:45
Danny Pellegrino: Writer & Host of Everything Iconic
Dec 22, 202041:37
Sharon Feldstein: Co-Founder of Your Mom Cares
Dec 15, 202037:27
Karen Duffy: New York Times Best-Selling Author
Dec 08, 202043:19
Susan K Feldman: Founder of In the Groove & Co-Found of One Kings Lane
Dec 01, 202035:51
Adam Glassman Returns

Adam Glassman Returns

Adam Glassman, Creative Director of O Magazine, comes back to In My Heart to review Oprah's Favorite Things 2020, the behind the scenes story and evolution of the O Magazine cover during COVID, and the future of O Magazine.

Nov 24, 202045:60
Marc Siden: Co-Founder & CEO of Cloud Water Brands
Nov 17, 202042:29
Andy Cohen: American Radio & Television Talk Show Host, Producer & Writer
Nov 10, 202039:01
Juhi Singh: CEO & Founder of The Juhi Ash Center

Juhi Singh: CEO & Founder of The Juhi Ash Center

Heather is joined by Juhi Singh, CEO & Founder of The Juhi Ash Center,  to discuss being diagnosed at age 16 with Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis, the Ayurvedic principles that saved her life and became the forefront of her practice, how treatment protocol should never be a one size fits all approach, and her tips for at-home wellness.

Nov 03, 202040:37
Emil Wilbekin: Founder of Native Son

Emil Wilbekin: Founder of Native Son

Emil Wilbekin, Founder of Native Son, talks to Heather about contracting HIV while working as a fashion director and living in fear, turning that fear into fuel for his activism as a Black gay man, philanthropic community building for Black LGBTQ men through Native Son, his time spent as Editor-in-Chief of Vibe Magazine, and his spiritual journey.

Oct 27, 202035:24
Hampton Carney: Publicist & CEO of Paul Wilmot Communications

Hampton Carney: Publicist & CEO of Paul Wilmot Communications

Heather is joined by friend and publicist Hampton Carney, Chief Executive Officer of Paul Wilmot Communications, whose clients include prestige fashion, beauty, and hospitality brands, to discuss their journey coming up in the fashion industry together, working on Sean John, communicating brands to consumers in the 90’s without social media and how it’s evolved over the last 20 years, and how he manages to stay calm when being challenged with stress.

Oct 20, 202033:51
Cortney Novogratz: Designer

Cortney Novogratz: Designer

Cortney Novogratz sits down with Heather to discuss her journey from real estate into design, her design philosophy, taking risks in life in spite of the fear, knowing your limits, and nurturing the people that make your life better.

Oct 13, 202035:25
Dorinda Medley: Entrepreneur & TV Personality

Dorinda Medley: Entrepreneur & TV Personality

Dorinda Medley, Entrepreneur and TV personality, joins Heather to discuss both of them growing up in Berkshires, spirituality, learning to accept your most honest self, and the new chapter in her life after leaving The Real Housewives of New York City.

Oct 06, 202032:07
Adam Glassman: Creative Director of O Magazine

Adam Glassman: Creative Director of O Magazine

Adam Glassman, Creative Director of O Magazine, joins us to discuss the power of manifestation, pioneering the use of real women in the fashion pages of O, and the importance of taking a moment to celebrate yourself.

Sep 29, 202034:32
Carole Radziwill: Producer, Journalist & TV Personality

Carole Radziwill: Producer, Journalist & TV Personality

This week, Heather sits down with her dear friend and fellow Real Housewives of New York alum, Carole Radziwill. They look back on their days together on RHONY, take you behind the scenes, discuss Carole's skin-care tips, and the importance of voting and making your plan for this election.

Sep 22, 202032:44
Tina Knowles-Lawson: American Business Woman & Fashion Designer

Tina Knowles-Lawson: American Business Woman & Fashion Designer

In this special first episode, Tina Knowles-Lawson and Heather chat about their history working together on House of Deréon and Miss Tina, advocating for the Heroes Act, the importance of instilling a sense of charity at a young age and celebrate the bond they still have with each other.

Sep 15, 202035:16
Welcome to In My Heart!

Welcome to In My Heart!

In My Heart is a podcast hosted by Heather Thomson and is about all things from business and entrepreneurship, to motherhood and marriage, nutrition and fitness, fashion, travel, adventure, friendships and above all, it is about sparking the curiosity we all have inside us that can help us explore our passions and live our dreams. In My Head started with the concept of conversations with friends, experts, learning more, encouraging independent thinking, and digging deeper into topics to inspire new perspectives. Heather’s vision and mantra for life is finding her freedoms and following what drives her light, energy and happiness to shine. She lives her passions and lead a brave life, and along the way has learned how to ask the tough questions, reveal the elephants in the room, move away from unproductive chatter and live out loud. Each week she’ll speak to old friends and new about all the things in her heart and finding our freedom.

Sep 08, 202002:28