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Heaven & Earth

Heaven & Earth

By Wyatt Graham
There are more things in heaven and earth than one podcast can talk about. But I hope to talk about some of the most important things.
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Episode 57: Alan Hayes on Indigenous History in Canada
In this discussion, Alan Hayes and I discuss Indigenous people in Canada. We cover, broadly speaking, the stages of European and Indigenous relations in Canada.
December 07, 2021
Episode 56: Archbishop Mark MacDonald on Indigenous Persons in Canada
In this episode, I talk The Most Rev. Mark MacDonald who "became the Anglican Church of Canada’s first National Indigenous Anglican Bishop in 2007." We discuss indigenous persons in Canada as well as the Christian faith among indigenous persons in Canada.
November 30, 2021
Episode 55: Ephraim Radner on Scripture
In this episode, professor Ephraim Radner and I discuss the nature of Scripture. You won't want to miss this conversation. Make sure to listen right to the end. We develop an idea right to that the end of the conversation. So it might just be worth the wait. 
November 16, 2021
Episode 54: Don Hutchison on Religious Freedom in Canada
In this episode, author Don Hutchison and I talk about religious freedom in Canada. Don has published on the topic of religious freedom in Canada. To learn more and to find his books, check out his website:
November 09, 2021
Episode 53: Ron Dart on High Toryism and Jordan Peterson
In this episode, professor Dart discusses the conservative tradition of High Toryism as well as Jordan Peterson. I hope you enjoy this episode! Click here to see Dart's The North American High Tory Tradition and here for the work on Jordan Peterson.
November 03, 2021
Podcast: New Episodes Soon!
I have been recording new episodes for this Fall! We'll branch out into politics and philosophy. I didn't mention it. But there will be also historical and cultural conversations, especially on indigenous people in Canada.    Subscribe to Heaven & Earth on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you listen.
October 29, 2021
Episode 52: Ben Wheaton on Merovingian Gaul
In this episode, Ben Wheaton exposes my ignorance about Gaul (basically France) in the sixth century. So I learned a lot. And I hope you do too! After all, Christianity did not disappear after Nicaea and restart at the Reformation. Ben leads us through a particularly unstudied time period of Christianity. I hope you enjoy the episode! Follow me on Twitter: @wagraham
August 10, 2021
Episode 51: Michael Lynch on John Davenant's Hypothetical Universalism.
In this episode, Michael Lynch and I talk about John Davenant and his hypothetical universalism. To learn more, see Lynch's new book with OUP press: See my website: Twitter: @wagraham
August 02, 2021
Episode 50: Crawford Gribben on Christian Reconstruction
In this episode, historian Crawford Gribben discusses his research into the Christian Reconstruction movement in the Pacific Northwest of the United States of America. If that movement seems obscure, then it might be helpful to know that Douglas Wilson would fall into that broad movement. To read Crawford's work, click here.  See also my website: and follow me on Twitter @wagraham. 
July 20, 2021
Episode 49: Timon Cline on Divine Law & Theonomy
In this episode, Timon and I have a conversation about divine law and theonomy. To learn more, see Follow me: @wagraham.
July 15, 2021
Episode 48: Benjamin Fischer on John Wycliffe
In this conversation, Benjamin and I talk about John Wycliffe (d. 1384). Wycliffe translated the Bible into English, wrote pastoral treatises, and played a significant role in the life of the English church. His followers survived up to and participated in the English Reformation (16 ce.). To read his pastor treatises, see Benjamin's new edited work here:
June 08, 2021
Episode 47: Mark Jones on Stephen Charnock and the Puritans
In this episode, I talk with Pastor Mark Jones about the puritans as well as Stephen Charnock. Jones is publishing a new edition of Charnock's The Existence and Attributes of God with Crossway. So it was great to be able to talk to him about that project and Charnock himself! But the conversation is much broader than that. We talk about the Puritans in general, their love of learning, and how we have forgotten that today, becoming parochial in our writing and reading.
June 01, 2021
Episode 46: Craig Carter on Classical Theism
In this conversation, Craig Carter and I talk about classical theism and angels! We cover a lot of ground. I hope you enjoy the conversation. Here is a link to Dr. Carter's new book.
May 26, 2021
Episode 45: Adonis Vidu on Inseparable Operations
In this conversation, I speak with Adonis Vidu on his new book on inseparable operations. This key doctrine describes how the Father, Son, and Spirit work inseparably in their external works. It is partly on this basis that Christians confess the Holy Trinity. Here is a link to Dr. Vidu's book on the topic. Here is a link to my review of the book. 
May 18, 2021
Episode 44: Jerry Shepherd on the Book of Leviticus
In this episode, I speak with Leviticus scholar Jerry Shepherd about the meaning of that biblical book. Here is the link to the book.
May 14, 2021
Episode 43: Hans Boersma on Sacramental Ontology and Scripture
In this episode, I talk with Hans Boersma on sacramental ontology and Scripture. Basically, we talk about how creation exists sacramentally in relationship with God and how Christians have and can approach Scripture.    Here is his Amazon (.ca) page with books: Twitter:  Website:
May 05, 2021
Episode 42: James Wood on Henri de Lubac
In this episode, James Wood and I talk about Henri de Lubac. My major interest in de Lubac is his work to retrieval the writings and theology of early Christians. But we talk about more than that in this episode!    Learn more: Twitter:
April 28, 2021
Episode 41: Ronni Kurtz on Divine Immutability
In this episode, an exhausted and possibly sick Wyatt attempts to use words to communicate with a highly intelligent theologian. We talk about divine immutability, an important doctrine that does not get as much air time as it ought.
April 20, 2021
Episode 40: Matthew Barrett on the Trinity
In this episode, Wyatt Graham and Matthew Barrett talk about the Trinity. To find Dr. Barrett's new book "Simply Trinity," see:
April 13, 2021
Episode 39: Matthew LaPine on the Logic of the Body and Theological Psychology
In this episode, Matthew LaPine and I discuss the theological psychology of Thomas Aquinas as well as deal with the question of how our body and soul correlate in the process of sanctification. In particular, we talk about anxiety and how to deal with it. To read his new book, see here.
April 06, 2021
Episode 38: Herman Selderhuis on the Reformers (Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Martin Bucer)
In this episode, Herman Selderhuis and I talk about the reformers, and in particular John Calvin, Martin Luther, and Martin Bucer. For his book on Calvin, see here. And for his work on Luther, see here.
March 31, 2021
Episode 37: Christopher Cleveland on Thomism in John Owen
Among other things, we talk about John Webster, John Owen, and Thomas Aquinas. We even tackle the interesting question of whether or not John Owen is a social trinitarian. Listen in to find out!   Christopher has written a book called Thomism in John Owen published by Ruttledge.  Do check the book out.
March 23, 2021
Episode 36: Dan Gurtner on the Pseudepigrapha
In this episode, Dan Gurtner discusses the pseudepigrapha. I hope you enjoy the conversation. Here is a link to his new book Introducing the Pseudepigrapha of Second Temple Judaism.
March 16, 2021
Episode 35: Malcolm Yarnell on Confessionalism, Anabaptists, and Being Baptist
In this episode, Malcolm Yarnell and I discuss confessionalism, anabaptists, and being baptist. I hope you enjoy this episode!
March 09, 2021
Episode 34: Wyatt Graham on Two-Kingdoms Teaching
In this episode, I talk about two-kingdoms teaching as presented in the early to mid 16th century. I try to show how such a teaching can help us a sort of political theology to make sense of how we relate to governing authorities. Afterwards, two lawyers (Chad Graham and Kristopher Kinsinger) discuss the topic with me.
March 05, 2021
Episode 33: Kristopher Kinsinger on the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
In this episode, Kristopher Kinsinger talks about the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Afterwards, he, myself and Chad Graham discuss the topic. 
March 02, 2021
Episode 32: Chad Graham on the Historical Foundations for Church and State Relations
In this episode, Chad Graham gives a short talk on the historical foundations for church and state relations. Afterwards, we have a roundtable discussion on the topic: myself, Chad (JD), and Kristopher Kinsinger (JD).
February 26, 2021
Episode 31: Owen Anderson on Apologetics
In this episode, professor Owen Anderson and I talk about apologetics, natural law, and even metaphysics! In addition, we talk about some of the ABCs of what sin is. To learn more, go to:
February 17, 2021
Episode 30: Crawford Gribben on John Owen
In this episode, I talk to John Owen scholar Crawford Gribben on John Owen. We cover a range of surprising topics like John Owen's similarity to the dispensationalist J. N. Darby, Owen's influence on John Locke and classical liberalism, his view on the justice of God and the atonement, and most interestingly about Owen's view of werewolves and vampires. Yep, he wrote on vampires and werewolves.  If you want to learn more, buy Gribben's new introduction to John Owen published by Crossway. He also has an academic introduction to Owen published by OUP. And check out his Goodreads author's page to see more of his books. 
February 02, 2021
Episode 29: Matthew Fenn on Lutheranism
Matthew Fenn and Wyatt Graham discuss Lutheranism. I hope you enjoy the conversation. 
December 01, 2020
Episode 28: Michael Vlach on the New Creation
Michael Vlach and Wyatt Graham discuss the new creation. I hope you enjoy the conversation!
November 24, 2020
Episode 27: James Arcadi on the Eucharist
In this episode, Wyatt Graham and James Arcadi discuss the Eucharist. I hope you enjoy this conversation. 
November 17, 2020
Episode 26: Carl Mosser on the Beatific Vision in Reformed Thought
Carl Mosser and Wyatt Graham discuss the beatific vision and the doctrine of deification in reformed thought. I hope you enjoy the conversation. 
November 10, 2020
Episode 24: Chris Woznicki on Theological Anthropology and Penal Substitution
Chris Woznicki and Wyatt Graham talk about theological anthropology and penal substitution. I hope you enjoy this conversation. 
November 03, 2020
Episode 23: Steve Wellum on Christ and the Cross
In this episode, Steve Wellum and Wyatt Graham talk about Christ and the cross. I hope you enjoy the conversation. 
October 30, 2020
Episode 22: Steven Wedgeworth on Masculinity Gurus
Steven Wedgeworth and Wyatt Graham discuss the masculinity gurus (Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, etc.). 
October 27, 2020
Episode 21: Samuel Loncar on Philosophy, Religion, and Science
Samuel Loncar recently released a ten-part podcast called "Becoming Human." I talk to him a bit about the podcast and some of the key themes, namely, the history and relationship of philosophy, religion, and science.
October 23, 2020
Episode 20: Thomas Schreiner on Paul and Pauline Theology
Thomas Schreiner and Wyatt Graham talk about Paul and the various Pauline theologies.
October 20, 2020
Episode 19: David Haines on Reformed Thomism and Natural Knowledge
David Haines and I talk about reformed Thomism and natural knowledge. Check out the book that Haines edited here:
October 16, 2020
Episode 18: Todd Billings on Death and Dying
Todd Billings and Wyatt Graham discuss death and dying—the topic of Billings' new book, "The End of the Christian Life." To learn more, check out his six-part podcast on the topic of his recent book here:
October 13, 2020
Episode 17: Matthew Thomas on the Works of the Law in the Second Century
Matthew Thomas and Wyatt Graham discuss how early Christians understood the phrase "the Works of the Law" in Paul. I hope you enjoy the conversation.
October 06, 2020
Episode 16: Patrick Schreiner on the Ascension
Patrick Schreiner and Wyatt Graham talk about the ascension of Christ. 
September 29, 2020
Episode 15: Colin Redemer on the Crisis in Modern Education
Colin Redemer and Wyatt Graham talk about modern education. We also talk about the Davenant Hall, a project that Colin has been working on.
September 23, 2020
Episode 14: An Announcement on What's Next for Heaven & Earth
In the next set of conversations, I will begin to talk with those with whom I personally disagree. I will also release a number series on different topics. I talk about both of these things and explain what that means. I am looking forward to more conversations and more thinking in public as the year goes on!  
August 18, 2020
Episode 13: Gavin Ortlund on Anselm And Augustine
In this episode, Gavin Ortlund and I talk about Anselm of Canterbury's pursuit of joy and Augustine of Hippo's doctrine of creation. You will not want to miss this one.  Gavin Ortlund (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ojai in Ojai, California. He is the author of Theological Retrieval for Evangelicals, Anselm's Pursuit of Joy, Retrieving Augustine's Doctrine of Creation, and Finding the Right Hills to Die on. You can follow him on Twitter.
August 11, 2020
Episode 12: Gray Sutanto on Herman Bavinck
In this episode, Gray Sutanto and I talk about Herman Bavinck. I think you may be surprised at Bavinck's theological vision. 
August 04, 2020
Episode 11: Fred Sanders on the Trinity
In this episode, Fred Sanders and I discuss the Trinity and how the Scripture speaks of the Trinity.
July 28, 2020
Episode 10: Matt Emerson on Baptists And Theological Renewal
In this episode, Matt Emerson and I talk about baptist renewal, eternal generation, and the descent of Christ to the dead. 
July 21, 2020
Episode 9: Paul Maxwell on Reformed Theology And Trauma
In this episode, Paul Maxwell and I talk about his work on trauma and reformed theology. He argues that reformed theology conceptually teaches good and true dogma but that the individual experience of this theology among those who have experienced trauma needs to be considered. Maximal control and overly negative views of human nature can affect some people in unhelpful ways. One of the most exciting parts about hosting a podcast like this is that I can learn from those with whom I disagree. Here, that is partially the case. But I learned more about reformed thinking and trauma and was challenged to think self-reflectively. I hope the same thing is true for you too when you hear Paul speak. Paul Maxwell is a theologian from Hyde Park, New York. He has his BA in biblical languages from Moody Bible Institute, his M Div from Westminster Theological Seminary, and his PhD from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, where he studied under Kevin Vanhoozer. Paul is currently a marketing coordinator for a SaaS company in the financial technology sector.
July 14, 2020
Episode 8: Stan Fowler on the Sacramental Character of Baptism
Emeritus Professor Stan Fowler of Heritage Seminary talks with me about baptism in the Baptist tradition and especially its sacramental character. I think you will find this talk fascinating and perhaps eye-opening. Baptism, argues Professor Fowler, is sacramental. Before you jump to conclusions about what that might mean, first listen to the conversation.
July 07, 2020
Episode 7: Coleman Ford on Augustine and Friendship
In this episode, Coleman Ford and I talk about Augustine and Friendship. I hope you enjoy the conversation. 
June 29, 2020
Episode 6: Rafael Bello on the non Assumptus
In this episode, Rafael Bello and I talk about the incarnation of Jesus Christ and related matters. We centre on the question of the non Assumptus, which in modern times refers to Christ assuming a fallen nature. Did he assume a fallen nature? We discuss that question in today's episode.
June 23, 2020
Episode 5: Mitch Chase on Typology And Allegory
In this episode, Mitch Chase and I discuss allegory and typology and their relationship to biblical interpretation. 
June 16, 2020
Episode 4: Michael Haykin on the Puritans
Who are the Puritans? We talk about them all the time, but who are they really? Professor Michael Haykin speaks about the origin of the Puritans, their historical setting, and their influence in North America. Born in England of Irish and Kurdish parents, Dr. Michael A. G. Haykin is Professor of Church History at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, Kentucky, and the Director of The Andrew Fuller Center for Baptist Studies, which is based on the Southern campus but which also has an office in Ontario. Dr. Haykin is the author of a number of books dealing with Patristic and Baptist studies and is also the general editor of a forthcoming 16-volume edition of the works of Andrew Fuller (Walter de Gruyter). He and his wife Alison have their home in Dundas, Ontario, and are members at West Highland Baptist Church, Hamilton, Ontario. They have two grown children, Victoria and Nigel. (Taken from the Gospel Coalition Canada website).
June 09, 2020
Episode 3: Ryan Hurd on Thomas Aquinas
Why should you know about Thomas Aquinas? Because he provides us with precise and true language to worship the triune God. In this episode, Ryan Hurd and I talk through some of the stickiest problems in trinitarian thinking. While the thought of Thomas is as vast as the ocean, I hope that you will get a sense for how Thomas spoke of God.
June 04, 2020
Episode 2: Chad Graham on Anglicanism
How does a former evangelical free church pastor become a lay Anglican curate? And just what is Anglicanism anyway? Chad Graham, a lawyer and a lay Anglican curate, tells us all about Anglicanism and why he appreciates this reformed expression of faith.
June 03, 2020
Episode 1: Craig Carter on Classical Theism
In this episode, Craig Carter and I talk about Christianity and Classical Theism. I also ask him why he likes the phrase "Christian Platonism." If you have read his work, you won't want to miss his remarks here.  
May 30, 2020