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Birthkeeper Banter

Birthkeeper Banter

By HERBAL Birthkeeping
A podcast channel made for birth junkies, discussing birth attending, tips, politics and amazing stories. We are friendly to ALL birth settings and stories, including our personal favorite, freebirth. Join us if you love and believe in BIRTH!
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Euphoria In Birth & Postpartum
Desirae and Taylor dive into the subject of EUPHORIA. That birth high that is oh so addicting and that you wait ten moons for. We discuss when and how we experienced our own personal birth highs and why we think they differed among our births, and what we see in attending women that get sky high from their home births.
September 05, 2022
Abuse In The Childbearing Years
Abusive, toxic and unsupportive partners ARE an intervention, sometimes an even worse intervention than the hospital. Des and Taylor talk about their experiences witnessing and attending women that live in homes where they just aren’t loved well, if at all, and how that impacts their childbearing years.
August 30, 2022
The Partners Perspective of Home Birth & Life with a Midwife from Desirae’s Husband
On this episode Desirae’s husband joins her to discuss their journey to home birth, how he felt about it when Desirae first mentioned it, how each birth experience played out, and how each differed and went on to impact them as a family. Brad shares open and honestly about his emotions and thoughts throughout each experience and why he prefers home birth over their first two birth experiences. They go on to discuss what it is like being the partner of a Midwife. Brad shares on the challenges he’s experienced as the partner of someone who lives a life on-call, discussing how Desirae’s journey to Midwifery had left him to question their relationship entirely and why. Both share on how being a birth attendant impacts not only the attendant, but the partner of, as well as the children in the home as a domino effect. Brad offers helpful suggestions to the partners of birth workers as well as to the partners of women who desire to birth at home that might be hesitant. This podcast is a raw and deep conversation that sheds light on what life is like for Brad, as a father who witnessed 3 freebirths after 2 hospital births, and what it’s like for him sharing his life with a Midwife. You’ll hear about the good, the bad, and the ugly in this unfiltered podcast!
August 24, 2022
Our Personal Birth Choices & What We Would Look For In Hiring An Attendant
Des and Taylor discuss their own birth preferences, how those came to be, and what their ideal birth attendant is. Great listen for any expectant mom trying to pick a birth attendant, or a birth attendant thinking of ways to be the best servant to women and gain additional perspectives from two freebirthers.
August 17, 2022
Birth Work Origins: The Birth Of Taylor & Desirae As Birth Attendants
Des and Taylor gets back to their roots, how they were inspired to start sitting at births, what they wish they knew when they first started, how their births have changed them as attendants, and tips to share for women newly inspired to be birth workers.
August 11, 2022
How To Become A Doula Or Midwife
Desirae and Taylor go back and forth on this episode about the different ways to become a doula or how to become a midwife with all the various routes and pathways that there are! If you’ve ever considered or are actively considering a doula training, midwifery school and/or apprenticeship, or just straight up feel confused in how to choose the path for your birth work journey, take a listen and take notes! Badass trainings from HERBAL also coming to you soon, online and in person! Stay tuned!
August 11, 2022
Radicals: Why Are We Still Funding Our Enemies? Tax Freedom Information Is Here!
Taylor jumps on to present to you life changing information: you are NOT required to file and pay federal income tax! For real! Though this is a deep subject, Taylor hits the major initial concerns that people have and provides resources to learn more! Please let us know if you have any questions or need help understanding! is the place to go to learn more!
July 25, 2022
Dependence & Disharmony In The Birth Space
Des and Taylor discuss how every person in the birth space makes an impact, and how the wrong people can be detrimental. We also jump into why depending on someone to hold your hand through births as a new birth worker can impact your journey!
July 25, 2022
First Babies Can Be Born At Home; Hallie’s Story
Hallie joins us to share on her 5 home birth experiences. With her first, she utilized OB care the first few visits and quickly realized that their form of care was not her cup of tea. She went on to find a midwife who trusted in her ability to birth her first baby at home and would respect her autonomy and choices. She goes on to share about her other birth stories, including her fourth, which had it occurred in a facility would have played out differently. She reminds us that we do not need to birth our first baby in a captive facility to prove that a woman can birth at home. You do not need to endure chaos and lack of autonomy before being able to experience the freedom and empowerment offered in home birth. Her midwife mentioned whom attended and supported her birth experiences was the late Rebekah Knapp, whom will always be honored and appreciated for what she offered women and their families during her time here on earth. A wonderful and encouraging listen for all woman who might be considering home, regardless of what number birth it might be for them!
July 24, 2022
Asking Your Birth Worker for a Refund
Taylor and Desirae discuss various situations where families wrongfully request refunds from their hired birth professionals; something all birth attendants experience at one point or another. How clients can place blame where it doesn’t belong is another topic discussed. They share various situations they have seen and experienced and how those situations typically work out. Both relay that birth work is not like a customer service situation; you can’t pay someone to guarantee a home birth. This podcast reminds everyone that it is important to value who you hire, their on-call time, and dedication and not hold unrealistic expectations of them. For the birth attendants: you’ll hear about how to avoid these types of situations and how to navigate them should they arise.
July 12, 2022
Too Old to Birth; Amanda’s Story of Birthing 4 babies After Age 37
Amanda joins us to speak on her journey to motherhood. She was unable to conceive for years, then at age 37 conceived her first baby. She speaks about her hospital birth experience and what she did not enjoy about the care. She went on to conceive 3 more times and had each of them at home, 2 being unassisted. She speaks on the myths of the “geriatric” label and reminds women that if they can grow the baby, they should feel confident to birth them! She also shares about the trauma healing services she offers clients. A great listen all around!
July 09, 2022
First-Time-Mom Chooses Freebirth; Anna’s Story
Anna joins us on Birthkeeper Banter to share with us her journey in motherhood and child birth. She chose a freebirth for her first baby before knowing that it was a “thing”. She successfully and confidently freebirthed her first baby at home then went on to have another freebirth with her second. She shares about how different the two experiences were. She also reminds us of why it’s important that we not compare one labor to another when it’s happening, because no two labors are 100% alike! Her story is powerful, you won’t regret listening!
July 04, 2022
The Mind Impacts Outcome in Pregnancy & Birth; with Desirae
Desirae shares on many aspects of pregnancy and birth that are impacted by the mind. In conception, pregnancy, and birth our mind plays a larger role than that of the physical. Desirae encourages women to address their headspace prior to labor; fears, doubts, or trauma and everything in between. She reminds us that if a baby is not coming down, or is sitting at the perineum and won’t budge, to think beyond the physical. More often than not, complications originate from the mind. We should be wary of our thoughts as they hold the power to manifest outcome. A short informational listen that previews one of the many topics that will be discussed in great detail in the upcoming Traditional Midwifery Cohort with HERBAL Training!
July 02, 2022
Planned Home Birth to Elective Hospital Births; Autumn’s Story
Autumn, an Ohio traditional midwife and IBCLC, joins us to share a bit on her birthing experiences. She experienced a home birth with her first baby, then 3 hospital births to follow - which isn’t often the case! Listen to this short podcast to learn why. Autumn shares on the importance of traditional birth attending, autonomy, and how this generation is normalizing and offering traditional care more than the previous generation. You can tell that walking with women is her heart, we at Birthkeeper Banter can totally relate!
July 01, 2022
How To Screen Potential Clients
In the birth worker world, you cannot take just anyone! On this episode, we talk about WHY, what you can do about it, red flags, dropping clients, refunds and more. More to be found in the upcoming midwifery cohort by HERBAL!
June 28, 2022
Finding Comfort In Birth
Des and Taylor hop on to discuss the different comfort measures they have used, and seen in birth clients and what really worked! It’s important to know precautions with things that have been popularized for comfort, and you may learn something you have never heard of before! Great for a quick and light listen!
June 28, 2022
Journey to Freebirth; Angie’s Story
Angie joins us to share in great detail about her 4 birth experiences from hospital births to freebirth and a midwife assisted birth in between. She explains her journey and progression to feel confident to freebirth. She shares on the support of her partner, that the gender of baby isn’t of great importance in pregnancy, and how liberating her freebirth was, despite it being one of her more challenging births. This podcast is shared in great detail from the heart. I wonderful listen for all women!
June 27, 2022
It Is NOT Just About Saving Babies
Diving head first into the very hot topic of Roe V Wade and abortion rights/laws, Des and Taylor discuss how they both used to be very “pro-birth”, what their perspectives once were versus what they are now, things that people don’t consider, how this impacts so many including loss moms, and what options people have. Listen with an open heart and mind!
June 25, 2022
A Freebirth Birthkeeper; Morgan’s Journey
Morgan, The Holistic Doula, joins us to share about her hospital birth experience that led her to birth work. She shares on her journey with sitting at birth and why she only attends unassisted/freebirths. She also offers suggestions for other birth workers who are considering attending freebirths in a state where midwifery is highly regulated. I short but lovely and informative podcast!
June 25, 2022
Best Friends Freebirth on the Same Day
Ashley and Sydney are friends that had their babies on the same day - how cool?! These ladies discuss how they connected as friends and kindled a friendship while living states apart. They each share with us about their own previous birth stories, what led them to choose freebirth, and about their freebirth experiences from start to finish. Listen to hear how they were able to support one another despite being many miles apart. They have such a cool story to share with the world!
June 22, 2022
A Secret Pregnancy; Mallory’s Journey
Mallory joins us to share about her first birth in a hospital and how she went on to have a wild pregnancy and freebirth. For her second pregnancy she decided not to tell others until baby was born; she shares on what that was like and why she chose not to share. We discuss tears and management of, as well as sex postpartum and why one might be desiring to have sex within a week postpartum. Mallory offers great advice for those who may choose to have a home birth; everything from how mindset impacts outcome, the energy in the birth space, how you prepare mentally, and why you should screen a midwife if you’d desire to have one. A great podcast full of helpful topics with a great story to boot!
June 21, 2022
Manifesting Your Desired Birth; Savannah’s Journey
Savannah shares with us her journey through three birth experiences; a hospital induction, a birth center birth, and a precipitous freebirth. She shares how her personal experiences had led her into birth work herself. She explains how she mentally manifested and prepared for the birth of her dreams and let’s listeners know that they can do the same! She shares insight and suggestions for those who may choose to birth at home, emphasizing that YES you too can do it if you desire!
June 19, 2022
Imposter Syndrome & Self-Doubt When Getting Started in Birth Work
Desirae speaks about common fears, insecurities, and doubts held by many birth workers and how to work through those, as well as many of her own experiences. She shares the keys to getting started and being successful, without getting in your own way. Imposter syndrome is also a common occurrence with new birth workers, Desirae shares on how to work through that and continue on. An inspiring and motivational podcast for all birth workers, but especially those who are newer, just starting out, or are wanting to gather confidence and get their name out there!
June 18, 2022
Four (very different) Vaginal Birth Stories
Ashley shares her 4 birthing experiences; 1 hospital birth where she felt robbed of her experience, followed by 3 home births with different midwives each time. She shares what she liked and did not like in each experience, her experiences with Pitocin, going beyond 42 weeks gestation, and offers advice for other women choosing home birth. Ashley shares that if there would be a "next birth" it would be a freebirth or with an unregulated attendant. A great podcast for any home-birthing woman! 
June 14, 2022
Stillbirth: A Taboo Topic
This is a very heavy and deep podcast on a taboo topic that isn’t often enough discussed. Desirae speaks about stillbirth and her views surrounding, as well as insight for all birth workers who sit at birth. At the end of the day, if we choose to sit at birth, we are there for whatever may unfold. Rarely, but sometimes, that unfolding is a baby born sleeping. Desirae shares on how souls view this experience and how attendants should treat one another in such situations, as well as what she’s seen in her time attending. A deeply impacting listen for all birth attendants!
June 14, 2022
The Professional UNProfessionals Truth
In the birth world, radical birth attendants are seen as unprofessional. If you ask Des and Taylor how they feel about that, it’s a big THANK YOU these days, but it didn’t always feel that way. Desirae and Taylor discuss professionalism in birth work and why it sucks big fat episiotomy scissors bad, what licensure means to us, when birth work has been hard, when we have almost given up, and how we got through the hard part, anyways. This episode is here to bunch some panties, buckle up!
June 10, 2022
A Desirae Exclusive: How Experiences Change The Attendant
Desirae brings us a short special expressing her views on how walking with families through pregnancy, birth, and postpartum have gently shifted her along the way in her birth work journey. She shares on how she has changed over time as a result of the experiences she’s encountered over the years; further relaying that birth work is one of the most transformative journeys one could embark on. A great, insightful episode for all birth workers!
June 06, 2022
Same-Sex FTM Autonomous Birth
Steph brings us a detailed account of her journey with her wife Stephanie (yes they have the same name!) through getting pregnant, choosing birth center care, postpartum, legalities, and motherhood as a same-sex family! Happy Pride, y’all!
June 04, 2022
Secrets Of Surrogacy
Surrogacy has become very normalized in our society… but should it be? Desirae and Taylor discuss the hidden truths and traumas of surrogacy that is covered up by fertility physicians, surrogacy agencies, and even parents and surrogates themselves. This one is gonna stir up some emotions, we want to hear your opinions on this controversial subject!
June 03, 2022
Attending The Amish
Did you know that Desirae serves the Amish birth community?! In this episode we knock out common misconceptions of the Amish and explore the ins and outs of how they live, and how that plays into pregnancy, birth, postpartum and more. We can all learn so much from how the Amish view everything and apply it to our lifestyle and choices.
May 30, 2022
Call To Action For Birth Workers: Revisit The Golden Rule
Anyone who has spent a good amount of time in the birth work community, you know that there is cattiness and politics that come with it. This episode comes as a suggested call to action to birth workers everywhere, do better for your community, only do to others what you would want done to you, and let’s revolutionize how we TREAT each other as birth workers with different things to offer. Come to this episode with an open mind and willingness to change.
May 29, 2022
Rotting Organs: Heathers FBAC With An Extended Placenta Birth
Heather brings us a humorous and enlightening story of her VBAC Freebirth (aka FBAC). Heather, a VBAC, a prior breech mom, advanced maternal age, and in a community unsupportive of freebirth, finds herself in a position of having to channel her patience, intuition and trusted friends to make it through a 26 hour placenta birth. If you’ve ever been told the placenta has to come out within 30-60 minutes, definitely give this one a listen!
May 27, 2022
Quick Tips For Prospective Freebirthers
Des and Taylor launch the new season of Birthkeeper Banter with an extremely informative episode, you know how we do. Touching on the quick need to knows of emergencies, variations, important prep for planning a freebirth or unassisted birth, and sharing tidbits of knowledge from both of our freebirth experiences. Any level of experienced birthing mama can learn something and appreciate something from this episode! We welcome you back, ya big birth junkies 😘
May 19, 2022
What Is A Freebirth, Actually?
Desirae and Taylor discuss the hot topic of freebirth definitions, what is and isn’t assistance, what makes a Freebirth free, and all the hypothetical questions that come with that! We would love your feedback on what Freebirth means to you.
June 30, 2021
Khristies Journey From Surrending To The Medical Field On To Freebirth
Khristie shares her intimate details of all her births, starting with becoming a teen mom, all the way to her healing freebirth. She expresses great tips, information and feelings all throughout! Such a good, long listen.
June 13, 2021
Colleens Breech Births
Colleen has experienced two (and possibly soon to be three) breech births! Her first resulted in a cesarean, then the next baby she pursued a breech home birth, attended by a midwife that serves the Amish community! Colleen brings wonderful insight on WHY some babies are breech, why ECVs can be harmful and her own wonderful, healing experience! Great listen for those facing a breech presenting baby!
June 01, 2021
Naomi’s MAT Journey to Freebirth
Naomi, mother of 6, bravely shares her battle with addiction, finding MAT, and the vast differences between her hospital experience versus her freebirth. One of the best parts of the journey was that her husband is a doctor and so beautifully supports her, as she found her way to healing. Add in a cool tidbit at the end about her postpartum doula support that she has had this time, and this episode is just a mix of so much knowledge and fun energy!
May 30, 2021
Prenatal Massage Discussion W/ Mandy
Tune into this episode to learn about the amazing benefits of prenatal massage from a licensed massage therapist and body worker! Who knew that massage could offer so much beyond relaxation?! Mandy goes over a broad range of services in depth, explaining everything from fertility, to infant massage, other modalities incorporated into massage such as energy work and aromatherapy and more. This is an episode you don’t want to miss if you are a birth worker or expectant mama!
May 27, 2021
Discussing CPS, Fears, Myths and Tips From A Mother That Has Fought The System
CPS/DCF is a huge concern in the natural community when a family needs to take their little ones to be seen by medical providers, or are reported by a toxic individual in their life. Taylor discusses her story and experience with CPS and offers advice from the heart from not only her journey, but others she has supported through CPS cases. This is not legal advice, please consult an attorney if you need legal advice.
May 24, 2021
Lindsey’s Fulfilling FBAC
Lindsey starts off this episode with talking about becoming a mother to twins at the young age of 18! Coerced into a cesarean and not knowing better, she did exactly as the doctors suggested. She later pursued an in-hospital VBAC which was empowering, but still didn’t feel fulfilled after that birth. Lindsey goes on to have a healing freebirth and as she says, “becoming one of those crazy freebirthers.” Throughout her journey, Lindsey experiences several cool variations of normal in her birth experiences that can be an amazing take away for someone else to learn from! We hope you enjoy hearing Lindsey’s stories.
May 24, 2021
Jills MAT VBAC and 2FBAC Experience
On the episode, we dive into drug addiction, coming out of addiction by utilizing MAT medications, and how that impacts the pregnancy and birth experience. Jill shared with us her cesarean birth, in-hospital VBAC, and her freebirth stories. She hopes to share with others that birthing safely while on MAT is possible and nothing to be ashamed of!
May 23, 2021
Challenges of Being A Radical Birth Worker
Desirae and Taylor discuss the various challenges in being a birth attendant that might not align with the mainstream ways. They talk about handling harassment and slander, navigating having limited resources, the struggles with networking, deciding whether or not to carry medicine, and discussing the misunderstanding that birthkeepers aren’t “cheap midwives”.
May 16, 2021
Linaia’s Unassisted Breech Birth
Linaia comes to tell us, full of radiant energy, her oh so healing unassisted breech birth story, occurring just 3 weeks prior to the making of this podcast. And as a bonus; her husband even jumped on to share his thoughts on the birth experience! With her sister-in-law present as a doula, a birth photographer, friends, and her husband by her side, she powerfully brings her sweet boy into the world, frank breech. But wait there is more, Linaia shares with us that she is also considered advanced maternal age, and shares with listeners to not be afraid of the infamous “old placenta” myths.
May 14, 2021
Sam’s Accidental Freebirth
After a shoulder dystocia experience in the hospital for her first, and being given the runaround in her second pregnancy by providers, Sam finally connected with a home birth midwife as she entered early term! Then, to her and her husbands surprise, she ended up birthing unassisted and had such a healing and empowering experience, that she sweetly recalls in this episode, noting that this birth saved her life and was exactly what she needed. Join us for a loving episode that starts with trauma and ends with nothing but bliss.
May 13, 2021
A Hospital Dystocia Leading Into A Magical Freebirth & Lotus Birth
Marie comes to share with us her attempted home birth that led to a transfer, which resulted in a shoulder dystocia caused by the providers, and how they handled that was quite traumatic. The next baby she took back her power and had the freebirth she originally desired. She also discusses with us some tips on lotus birthing with her placenta! We hope you enjoy this healing episode as part of our Dystocia Series.
May 04, 2021
Home Birth As A Teen Mom
Welcome to the second episode of our shoulder dystocia series! In this episode, we explore the details of a teen mom choosing to birth at home with a midwife, for her first baby! Jess discusses her reasoning, her fast labor, her daughters shoulder dystocia, and her home birth after that experience. She truly offers some excellent tips to first time families and anyone who may be concerned about their baby getting stuck.
April 30, 2021
HBA2C Dystocia Story
Listen in as the vivid story is told of Jackie’s home birth after two cesareans. We are blessed in this episode to experience both the mother and birth attendants perspective of the Dystocia event, what they both felt, saw and would recommend to others to know. Get ready for serious goosebumps and tears because the energy, love and emotions in this episode are sky high.
April 27, 2021
Early Abortion Experience Discussion
Sarah joins us on this episode of Birthkeeper Banter to share her pill combination abortion experience. We discuss her rationale behind choosing abortion, what her state laws are, what the initial appointment was like, how she felt physically and emotionally, and what she would like other mothers and birth workers to know. Take a listen with an open mind and heart as this is such a fragile subject. 
April 24, 2021
Breech Cesarean Story
We feature, on this episode of Birthkeeper Banter, our amazing HERBAL student & Indiana Birthkeeper, Bryce. We find it incredibly important to discuss her breech cesarean because it brings up multiple important subjects such as midwifery limitations, lack of provider training on breech, missing support for FTMs, especially those that get transferred out of midwifery care, and more. Bryce, Desirae and Taylor want others to know that a cesarean is NOT your only option for breech and we process those emotions and realities of that here in this heartfelt episode.
April 22, 2021
COVID19 Pandemic And Impacts On Birth & Babies
An essential episode that touches on current events related to COVID19. Dive deep with us into how restrictions, policies, and vaccine developments have impacted fertility, pregnancy, birth and children, all in one year!!
April 21, 2021
Cannabis Use During The Season Of Motherhood
A 4/20 chat on cannabis use while trying to conceive, pregnancy, postpartum and breastfeeding. Let’s get controversial and discuss this medicinal plant, myths, studies and more surrounding it, as it pertains to many in this season of motherhood.
April 20, 2021
First Time Mom Freebirth
A MUST listen for all first time expectant mothers! Mitchies confidence going into her freebirth, as a first time mom, is extremely empowering and what all mothers should feel and experience. Come enjoy her high-spirited energy with us!
April 18, 2021
VBAC Freebirth Story With Sabrina
Meet Sabrina, mom, breastmilk jewelry business owner & HERBAL Doula! She had an empowering Unassisted Vaginal Birth After Cesarean and wants to share with others that if she can do it, so can you!
April 12, 2021
Sweeping Away Misunderstandings & Necessities Of Cervical Checks
Come listen to Desirae and Taylor chat about the inconsistency, myths, harms, and benefits of cervical/vaginal checks! *Disclaimer: we were outside for this podcast, we apologize for the wind*
April 09, 2021
Birth Photography Banter
Come chat with Taylor, Desirae and Valerie Clark as we discuss military wife life, infertility, rainbow babies and birth photography!
April 08, 2021
A little about HERBAL!
Come chat with Desirae and Taylor for a short introductory episode on who we are, why we do what we do, and what you can expect from this podcast. To view class options, our blog, and more, go to :)
April 02, 2021