Heterodorx
By Nina Paley
HeterodorxJun 10, 2022
Palestinian Heterodoxy with John Aziz
British-Palestinian writer and analyst John Aziz joins the Dorx to repeat his wacky, out-there thesis: Israelis are not going anywhere, Palestinians are not going anywhere, both groups have legitimate claims to the land, and both must forge a realistic future of peace. This is unfortunately controversial. Aziz emphasizes Israel is not Vietnam or Afghanistan; offers a definition of Zionism; critiques Israel’s military actions; asserts violent video games can reduce street violence; and is gratifyingly impressed to learn Nina made the animated musical short This Land Is Mine. Plus tunnels, elevated highways, October 7th, Hamas, social contagion, identical tents, antisemitism, two goats on a land bridge, and more!
Links:
John Aziz on Twitter: https://x.com/aziz0nomics
Andy the Antizionist Heterodorx episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-115-ask-an-anti-zionist-with-andy-the-anti-zionist/
Is Brianna Wu Based? Part Two
Is the video game developer, computer programmer, GamerGate veteran, and aspiring politician “based” for recent statements against antisemitism? To find out, the Dorx invited Wu for an interview that lasted 2-and-a-half hours and is therefore broken into two parts.
PART TWO:
An increasingly contentious discussion of Jesse Singal, journalistic standards, changing sex, allies, public policies that are cruel to trans people, identity, dehumanization, tolerance, prejudice, the N-word, swastika flags, fringe opinions, cognitive dissonance, cancellation, and the value of trans experience. It’s a long listen, but we think this episode gives a definitive answer to the title question.
Is Brianna Wu Based? Part One
Is the video game developer, computer programmer, GamerGate veteran, and aspiring politician “based” for recent statements against antisemitism? To find out, the Dorx invited Wu for an interview that lasted 2-and-a-half hours and is therefore broken into two parts.
PART ONE:
A friendly conversation about eyebrows, makeup, Zionism, antisemitism, GamerGate, WPATH standards, trans civil rights, binary vs. nonbinary, philosophical questions, the TERF-Tranny Alliance, JK Rowling, holocaust denial, India Willoughby, illiberalism, Media Matters, and the Harry S Benjamin Standards of Care.
Butching It Up with Nina and Corinna
It would take a butcher to butch up Corinna enough to satisfy those clamoring for his detransition. Fresh from the UnSpeakeasy retreat in Louisville, the Dorx also discuss the Kohein priestly caste, street work, rimshots, shock collars, and Pronoun Ripple ice cream. Is Cori a homunculus dressed in a woman suit? How many cavities does he have? Does wearing lumberjack clothes make you a lumberjack? Can we achieve peace in the Middle East by blocking traffic in the US? Listen to this exceptionally casual episode to find out the answers, most of which are “no”.
Links:
The Lumberjack Song: https://youtu.be/FshU58nI0Ts?si=vVwQniymDpk_udP4
The UnSpeakeasy: https://www.theunspeakeasy.com/retreats
Belissa Cohen on Corinna Cohn: https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Corinna%22%20(from%3ABelissaCohen)&src=typed_query&f=live
Camp Trans: https://afterellen.com/setting-the-record-straight-about-michfest/
Urbana IL citizens push for city resolution for ceasefire in Palestine: https://www.news-gazette.com/news/after-70-speakers-are-heard-from-urbana-aldermen-pass-revised-gaza-resolution-receive-standing-ovation/article_ad04334c-f8fe-567f-a038-04aa53cdfbc7.html
This Land Is Mine: https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=SgipauO73mibAzKZ
Seder-Masochism: https://sedermasochism.com/download/
Gender and Nina’s local bike club: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2022/03/21/cycling-and-gender-intersect-in-meaningful-ways/
The Milgram Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Aaaron Kimberly, Alice Dreger, Alex Byrne, Holly Lawford-Smith debate: Is Sex Binary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoT_ayxjXpg&ab_channel=MITFreeSpeechAlliance
For more information about RISE on The Land for WOMEN, email Char at riseontheland2020s@gmail.com
A Light Unto the School Districts with Dr. Tabia Lee
What happens when an inquisitive, naturally hopeful, critical-thinking civics-oriented teacher educator gets a position in an Office of Equity, Social Justice, and Multicultural Education? She gets fired for not being "the right kind of Black person", and then speaks out about it while developing better alternatives for schools. Dr. tabia lee joins the Dorx to discuss travel, authenticity, finding pride in America, critical Social Justice, racial affinity groups, “white oppressors,” DEI gangsters, infighting, bad journalism, calling in vs. calling out, emotional reasoning, pronouns, sparklefun, purple hair, and living in a dystopian science-fiction timeline. Listeners will also be treated to optimism, good humor, and multiple Hollywood-style false endings!
Links:
Tabia Lee on Twitter: https://twitter.com/11Drtlee11
DEI College Director Fired for Not Being ‘Right Kind of Black Person’: https://www.newsweek.com/dei-college-director-fired-not-being-right-kind-black-person-1813481
Free Black Thought: https://freeblackthought.com/voices/dr-tabia-lee
Do No Harm: https://donoharmmedicine.org/
Dr. t lee Educational Consultancy: http://www.drtlee.solutions/services.html
Coalition for Empowered Education: https://empowered-ed.org/about-us/
Paolo Freire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire
ELIZA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
For more information about RISE on The Land for WOMEN, email Char at riseontheland2020s@gmail.com
California Nightmares with Beth Bourne
Beth Bourne is a lifelong Democrat, mother of an estranged trans-identified daughter, and model of courage in the belly of the beast that is the Golden State. After years of receiving slow and inattentive medical service, she told Kaiser Permanente she identified as non-binary and suddenly had speedy access to attention, validation, and any “gender-affirming care” their zealous trans-identified doctors could dream up: cross-sex hormones, double mastectomy, nipple grafts, body contouring, total hysterectomy, phalloplasty, and more! All at rock-bottom co-pays and fast-tracked by cooperative “therapists.” It’s the stuff of nightmares, and that’s before getting into her loss of friends, demonization by the local press, and a restraining order from her kid’s school. From Davis to Redwood City to trans/human-trafficker "sanctuary city” Sacramento, Beth’s story is as inspiring as it is harrowing.
Links:
“I Pretended to be ‘Nonbinary’ To Expose A Medical Scandal at Kaiser Permanente”: https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/i-pretended-to-be-nonbinary-to-expose
Beth Bourne on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bourne_beth2345
DIAG: Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender: https://www.di-ag.org/
Moms for Liberty: https://www.momsforliberty.org/
For more information about RISE on The Land for WOMEN, email Char at riseontheland2020s@gmail.com
Structure and Coherence with J.D. Haltigan
Independent Scientist and emerging public intellectual J.D. Haltigan left academia for a life of forced leisure and blue-collar employment, but he’d rather pursue his passion for psychological research at an institution. He joins the Dorx to discuss Covid masking, psychopathology, bike helmets, denial of death, the neurotic anxious failure to develop identity, attachment theory, gender and co-morbid mental illness, the perversion of the caregiving instinct, limit-setting, ideological capture, Social-Emotional Learning as a proxy for parenting, mama bears, religion, pseudoreligion, the narcissism of “rescuers”, and the upcoming detransition contagion. Did we miss anything? Hopefully this episode will provide listeners with enough structure to construct a coherent narrative of life; if not, well, go outside and touch grass.
Links:
J.D. on twitter: https://twitter.com/JDHaltigan
J.D.’s substack: https://www.jdhaltigan.com/
J.D. Haltigan on The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker: https://www.jdhaltigan.com/p/reflections-on-beckers-the-denial?utm_source=twitter&sd=pf
Lionel Shriver writes about Corrie Cohn: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/children-need-protection-from-adult-madness/
Abigail Shrier’s Bad Therapy: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/716567/bad-therapy-by-abigail-shrier/
For more information about RISE on The Land for WOMEN, email Char at riseontheland2020s@gmail.com
“A Path to Inclusion” with Cyd Zeigler
Cyd Zeigler started OutSports in 1999, gradually shifting focus from “pro sports from a gay men’s fandom angle” to all things LGBTQ++, including trans athletes. He joins the Dorx to argue for inclusion of male trans athletes in female categories. From chess to football, Zeigler believes every sport can and should be treated differently; that sex categories open up opportunities; and that both sides point to Title IX as the reason they’re right. Nina pushes back on safety; Corinna introduces the idea of locus of control; and everyone agrees more data is needed. Despite an unfortunate technical error that ends the game early (that’s what happens when your tech support is an alpaca), Zeigler remains sportsmanlike throughout.
Links:
Outsports: https://www.outsports.com/
Renee Richards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards
Nancy Hogshead-Makar: https://championwomen.org/meet-nancy-hogshead-makar/
Colin Wright explains sex categories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4WV9xv62f4&ab_channel=Genspect
rainbow hockey tape ban: https://www.outsports.com/2023/10/24/23930391/nhl-reverses-pride-tape-ban-players-gay-lgbtq/
Colin Kaepernick kneeling: https://apnews.com/article/f9bbe38b748072531b07713736409181
Megan Rapinoe kneeling: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2663982-megan-rapinoe-kneels-during-national-anthem-before-usa-vs-thailand
ICONS Women In Sports conference 2023: https://www.iconswomen.com/2023-international-womens-sports-summit/
Autoandrophilia with Aaron Terrell
After Nina welcomes self-described autoandrophile and pervert advocate Aaron “The Contraaron” Terrell with a deliberate misgendering, the two adult human females discuss male sexuality while actual male Corinna mostly bites his tongue. Topics include Terrell’s surprising shift from hetero- to homosexuality on exogenous testosterone, pretty privilege, internet porn, eating disorders, autogynephobia, fertility signals, sexual dimorphism, pseudo-attraction, political religion, autism, twitter kerfuffles, and enforcement of the purity of the word “lesbian.” Terrell not only has the most lesbian cred of the three (female with a female partner) but also the most testosterone! This episode offers more than enough to offend everyone.
Links:
Aaron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elegationvain
I enjoy Being a Girl (an autogynephile anthem): https://youtu.be/LtQBrShqgls?si=G5-KicuUvKxmlEzf&t=42
Jamie Reed episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-126-mitigating-the-damage-with-jamie-reed/
Joe Burgo on Autogynephilia as Psychic Retreat: https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/sympathy-for-the-devil-autogynephilia
J Michael Bailey episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-53-autogynephilia-michael-bailey/
Transparency podcast: https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/podcast
Taking Action with Ellen Daehnick
When Things need to get done, it’s people like Ellen Daehnick who do them. Daehnick recently retired from her high-powered career to become a full-time “Unpaid Gender Crank”, focusing on legislation. She describes her first time testifying to the Colorado state legislature against CO House Bill 1071, which welcomes felons to change their legal names as long as they claim a trans identity. More of this remarkable hearing, described as “bananas” by audio editor Lisa Jones, can be found here. We discuss how to prepare for effective testimony, why female politicians support policies that harm women, selective empathy, toxic femininity, class, chiggers, and appeals to emotion vs facts. “Deadnaming,” “misgendering” and “mentioning the criminal record of an individual” may be verboten in the Colorado Statehouse, but the real genocide is the friends we made along the way.
Ellen Daehnick on twitter: https://twitter.com/edaehnick
Daehnick’s email: genderwatchco@gmail.com
Audio Recap of CO HB 24-1071 "The Felon Name-Change Bill" by Lisa Jones: https://www.thatlisajones.com/new-kinda-colorado-crazy/
Colorado House Bill 24-1071: https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1071
Christina Goeke kicked out of Colorado Statehouse: https://twitter.com/goeke_christina/status/1752490704020881694
Tiara/Duane Kelley: https://www.thepublica.com/transgender-drag-queen-who-inspired-bill-to-make-name-changes-easier-for-trans-felons-in-colorado-has-lengthy-criminal-record/
DIAG: Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender: https://www.di-ag.org/
Corinna’s talk “Political Organizing in America” at Genspect Denver 2023: https://youtu.be/5VpOhM7PXco?si=gTOu9FtmarVgKLLF
Nina’s Quilt Suite: https://www.airbnb.com/h/quiltsuite
Illinois HB 4876: https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=4876&GAID=17&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=152735&SessionID=112&GA=103
Mitigating the Damage with Jamie Reed
Last year, case manager Jamie Reed blew the whistle on the gender clinic that had employed her for almost four years. Today, she faces an even more frightening challenge: being a guest on the Heterodorx podcast. Jamie’s impeccable lefty credentials never prepared her for Corinna’s relentless sarcasm, let alone what she witnessed in the medical system: clueless endocrinologists, children making lifelong decisions about their fertility, untreated eating disorders, ignored red flags, young patients entering sex work, TikTok tics, medical harms, repeated “never events,” and the medical abandonment of detransitioners. We also discuss the personal and professional costs borne by whistleblowers, double standards in the press, alpacas (again), and Corinna’s geriatric cat. Jamie reminds us, “we are all broken"; Corinna reminds us, “give your gay money to Jamie.”
Links:
Jamie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamieWhistle
“I Thought I was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Whistle.” Jamie Reed’s Free Press story: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
Alberta Premier Danielle Smith introduces new gender policies: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/danielle-smith-1.7101595
Washington State whistleblower Tamara Pietzke: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-was-fired-after-blowing-the-whistle
https://www.thefp.com/p/i-refused-to-approve-all-teen-gender-transitions
LGBT Courage Coalition: https://www.lgbtcourage.org/
LGBT Courage Coalition Substack substack: https://lgbtcouragecoalition.substack.com/
Guns Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond: https://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552
TERF-Tranny Alliances with Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal
Canada is not merely America’s Hat; it’s also home to Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal, a TERF-Tranny duo rivaling the Heterodorx in both hardliner contempt and world domination. We discuss womanface, tribal identities, the sterilization of First Nations youth, aging, Feminized Eunuch Males (FEMs), Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID), do-it-yourself genocide, “tru trans”, matching costumes, coerced speech, pronouns, Tide suppositories, and dubious hygiene tips. Who is the fairest handmaiden/pet troon of them all? Listen and find out!
Links:
Eva Kurilova’s Substack: https://www.evakurilova.com/
Eva on twitter: https://twitter.com/eva_kurilova
Lois on twitter: https://twitter.com/duchess_elle
Reduxx: https://reduxx.info/author/evak/
The Distance: https://www.thedistancemag.com/
Gender Dissent: https://www.genderdissent.com/
Spinster: spinster.xyz
TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
Safeguarding, Lesbophobia, and DARVO
Corinna and Nina rant and complain about the current “Gender Critical” online discourse. What is a lesbian? Is Corinna gay, or homosexual? Is DARVO a floor wax, or a dessert topping? Although we perpetuate the problem by talking about it, by the end we propose a solution. You’ll hear lots of misgendering, talk of Nina’s sex-pozzie San Francisco days (again, sorry), and references to IQ points. You won’t hear our usual intro and outro, because Nina had to edit this one while Corinna left town and couldn’t send the files.
Links:
“Stella O’Malley on Lesbians”: https://twitter.com/iseult/status/1756099230236573970
The Lesbian Heresy by Sheila Jeffreys: https://archive.org/details/lesbianheresyfem0000jeff
Sex is real, people are weird: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
Our die-in meme: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1757068677910831464
Andrew Doyle: Reflections on the Online Mob: https://andrewdoyle.substack.com/p/reflections-on-the-online-mob
Nina tries to school a teacher about pronouns: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1750896492930339257
Alpacne! with Jennifer Lahl
Filmmaker and former pediatric nurse Jennifer Lahl's latest short documentary, The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood, focuses on male detransitioners. We discuss film distribution, the festival circuit, crowdfunding, straight-to-online, subtitles (“How do you say ‘chopped off his penis’ in Spanish?”), the obsolescence of DVDs, Jennifer’s ex-boyfriend from her nursing school days, “trans healthcare”, the Crying Chicken Lady who says children should be driving, and Corinna’s search for teen alpacahood. Lahl alleges this is her last film (we don’t believe her) so watch it online for free right now.
Links:
The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network: https://cbc-network.org/
The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood https://youtu.be/AaiicS2HXW4?si=3CKcnEQIovXsHlQm
The Detransition Diaries: Saving Our Sisters https://youtu.be/910JVOJSM2I?si=KE4_kz_a1iWc9EY3
Trans Mission: What’s the Rush to Reassign Gender? https://youtu.be/rUeqEoARKOA?si=zdPYT_4V-T-JF3e4
Jennifer Lahl on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JenniferLahl
Heterodorx’s Ray Alex Williams episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-121-unblinded-by-the-light-with-ray-alex-williams/
Welcome to the Gender Wars, Dr. Gary Francione!
After Corinna complains about an obnoxious and possibly libelous article in the Washington Post, the Dorx welcome legal scholar, philosopher, vegan, and animal rights activist Dr. Gary Francione. We discuss Equality Claims vs Belief Claims, old-school transsexuals, admitting you’re wrong, Andrea Dworkin, nonviolence, intersectionality, and the principles of a liberal pluralistic society. Can we police fetishes? Who’s Afraid of Kathleen Stock? Why are vegans extra crazy? Does Corinna really not want to be a Good Person? What is “harm”? Despite Corinna disparaging young people going vegan, and Nina swearing a lot about Crohn’s disease, Dr. Francione offers a banquet of (plant-based) food for thought.
Links
Gary Francione’s website: https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/
Gary Francione’s essay on the Trans Rights Issue: https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-trans-rights-issue-equality-claims-and-belief-claims/
Julie Bindel: The Unforgivable Transing of Andrea Dworkin https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-unforgivable-transing-of-andrea
Why Veganism Matters: The Moral Value of Animals by Gary Francione https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-veganism-matters/9780231199612
Nina’s Gender Wars playing cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/
How Do I Go Vegan https://www.howdoigovegan.com/
Nina and Corinna will be guests at the Unspeakeasy retreat in Louisville, KY April 9-10! It’s for women only, even though Corinna isn’t one! Sign up and ask what organizer/host Meghan Daum was thinking: https://www.theunspeakeasy.com/2024-unspeakeasy-retreats
Unblinded by the Light with Ray Alex Williams
For 8 years, Ray Alex Williams claimed to be a woman, zealously promoting transgender ideology, ingesting spirolactone and exogenous estrogen, doing "a lot of twitter activism,” and writing a book about trans philosophy. In May 2023 he socially and medically detransitioned, issuing public apologies shortly thereafter. How did “Rachel Anne Williams” — who just a few years ago was so “unhinged” he made Grace Lavery “readable” in comparison — become the lucid, humble, reality-based man we hear in this interview? Listen up, because his story is jam-packed with insights.
Links:
Ray Alex Williams on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RayAlexWilliams/
Ray Alex Williams on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RayAlexWilliams
Rachel Anne Williams takes on Kathleen Stock in 2019: https://www.peaktrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ThreadReader_0_transphilosophr_1132859653006680064-1.pdf
Commentary on Rachel Anne Williams taking on Kathleen Stock in 2019: https://www.peaktrans.org/a-response-to-a-response-to-doing-better-in-arguments-about-sex-gender-and-trans-rights/#more-7728
Ray Alex Williams apologizes in 2023: https://twitter.com/RayAlexWilliams/status/1735629670618399092
Transgressive: A Trans Woman on Gender, Feminism, and Politics by Rachel Anne Williams (before detransitioning to Ray Alex Williams): https://www.amazon.com/Transgressive-Trans-Gender-Feminism-Politics/dp/1785926470
Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism by Amanda Montell https://www.harpercollins.com/products/cultish-amanda-montell
Rob Henderson on Luxury Beliefs: https://www.robkhenderson.com/p/status-symbols-and-the-struggle-for
Rosie Kay Believes in The Power of the Arts
Rosie Kay is a dancer, choreographer, “old-school feminist”, and co-founder of Freedom In The Arts in the UK. Both cancelled and resurrected, she’s also a fascinating and articulate speaker. She joined the Dorx back in November to talk about dance, brains, arts organizations, making controversial work, the “theater of dehumanization,” liberal values and their discontents, artificial intelligence, Choreography 101, pattern recognition, awkwardness, the decline of physical culture, disembodiment, COVID, dance vs. visual art, arts education, physical education, soldiering, tennis, walking, cycling, and the taboo of excellence. It took us a while to release this episode because at least one of us was paralyzed in a winter slough of despond, but it was worth the wait.
Links:
Adult Female Dancer by Rosie Kay: https://youtu.be/1BJvbsnCEB8?si=sx7m3AyOo5REJTI7
Rosie Kay's dance company K2Co: https://k-2co.com/
Freedom in the Arts: https://www.freedominthearts.com/
The Man Wearing The Blue Dress at Genspect: https://shannonthrace.substack.com/p/genspect-and-agpgate
Esprit de Corpse
Corinna and Nina poke at the dead body of the Gender Critical Movement. Cause of death? Illiberalism, revulsion, femagoguery, the narcissism of small differences, group polarization, junior high social dynamics, Calvinism, puritanism, gaslighting, victimhood as currency, and so much more. Plus, Nina gets diagnosed with Crohn’s disease. Where will the Dorx go from here? Wherever it may be, we’ll walk you there, for your own safety.
Links:
Revulsion Revolution: The Protective Power of Disgust by Amy Sousa: https://www.theknownheretic.com/p/revulsion-revolution-the-protective
The Art Coop (rhymes with “poop”): https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html
Corinna pisses off everyone on Twitter: https://twitter.com/heterodorx/status/1732028270831440264
ICONS: https://www.iconswomen.com/
Sex Matters: https://sex-matters.org/
National Women’s Law Center president Fatima Goss Graves hopes women learn to lose gracefully: https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1732142697425572018
The Identity Trap by Yascha Mounk: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712961/the-identity-trap-by-yascha-mounk/
Stella O’Malley and Kellie-Jay Keen on Benjamin Boyce: https://youtu.be/OqG2gYvXm9A?si=oCis3LDOgWepe-JN
JK Rowling says “dress however you please”: https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033
Nina dresses like a man: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1725174605101326781/photo/1
Librarians Losing Their Spine, with Penny Hummel
Librarians once stood for intellectual freedom and access to information, but today many prefer to suppress speech and intellectual diversity for the sake of a misguided concept of "social justice". One Davis, California library recently violated the First Amendment when they ejected a group of women discussing male athletes in female sports. Collections and programs are regularly distorted and compromised by ideologue librarians, while those watching in dismay fear to speak. Library consultant and advocate Penny Hummel breaks the silence to tell the Dorx what’s really happening in America’s libraries.
Links:
Penny Hummel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BeeWeave
FIRE article on Davis library violating First Amendment: https://www.thefire.org/news/california-library-violates-first-amendment-boots-speakers-referring-transgender-women
FIRE’s letter to Yolo County Library: https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-letter-yolo-county-library-august-24-2023
ALA Webinar, "Transgender People In Libraries": https://elearning.ala.org/local/catalog/view/product.php?productid=1005
Does Sex Matter? panel at the Urbana Free Library, 2019: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/03/26/q-and-a-from-the-does-sex-matter-panel/
I Am Jazz: https://socialjusticebooks.org/i-am-jazz/
My Body Is Me by Rachel Rooney: https://www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/
Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/irreversible-damage-abigail-shrier/1133754701
Gender Queer by Maia Kobabe: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Gender-Queer-A-Memoir/Maia-Kobabe/9781549304002
Ladies' Autogynephilia Chat with Shannon Thrace
Shannon Thrace is a "transwidow" and author of the must-read novel Eighteen Months: A Memoir of a Marriage Lost to Gender Identity. She joins handmaiden pick-me tranny-lover Nina for a women’s-only talk about AUTOGYNEPHILIA, the cause célèbre currently ripping apart the TERFosphere. Is this about safeguarding and holding women’s boundaries, or is it tribal signaling? Why is it OK for David Bowie to crossdress, but not Phil Illy? Should there be different crossdressing rules for men and women? Who gets to make those rules? Where do we draw our lines? Did Nina wade into a morass or a cesspool? These are questions without definitive answers, except one: Where is Corinna? Answer: at work today, so Nina recorded and edited this episode alone.
Links:
Shannon Thrace’s essay, Genspect and AGPgate: https://shannonthrace.substack.com/p/genspect-and-agpgate
Nina’s Art Coop "NO TERFS" sign complaint: https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html
Genspect Denver conference: https://genspect.org/the-bigger-picture-continues-denver-colorado/
Phil Illy: https://substack.com/profile/109324793-phil-illy
This Jungian Life: Aaron Balick - Why Does Social Media Weaponize Our Reactions? https://thisjungianlife.com/aaron_balick/
Laura Becker/Funk God: https://www.funkgod.com/
"Ask a Zionist" with Rabbi Jonathan Greenberg
After last weeks “Ask an Anti-Zionist,” the Dorx return to Ask a Zionist, Rabbi Jonathan Greenberg. What is a Zionist? Answer: “A person who believes that the Jews have a right to self-determination and self-protection in the ancient land of Israel,” which he says is the historical, original, biblical, literal Jewish homeland. Greenberg does not suffer discomfort with power and moral complexity. He reminds us every conceivable solution to “one of the most intractable conflicts on earth” has already been argued, and there is nothing new under the sun. “In every generation, they rise against us to destroy us.” Greenberg says Jews should arm up; culture matters; the rules of war are outdated; nobody actually cares about the Palestinians; media coverage is biased; history tells you what, philosophy tells you why; and Israel is not a colonial project, it’s a coming home. Nina asks: How will this end? Answer: ???
Links:
Jonathan Greenberg on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JGreenbergSez
Jewish Voice for Peace: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
If Not Now: https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/
Not In Our Name: https://notinourname.net/
Anti-Defamation League: https://www.adl.org/
Peter Beinart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Beinart
Ze’ev Jabotinsky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky
Jewish students barricaded in Cooper Union library: https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/cooper-union-barricades-jewish-students-inside-library/
Pro-Palestinian projections on George Washington University library: https://wjla.com/news/local/accusations-of-anti-semitism-on-george-washington-university-campus-after-projection-of-pro-palestinian-messages-student-group-students-for-justice-in-palestine-jewish-israel-hamas-war-dmv-washington-dc-community
The Zionist Idea by Arthur Hertzberg: https://jps.org/books/zionist-idea/
A History of Israel by Howard Sachar: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/159513/a-history-of-israel-by-howard-m-sachar/
“Ask an Anti-Zionist” with Andy the Anti-Zionist
The Dorx discuss recent events with Nina’s ex-boyfriend, Andy the Anti-Zionist. A first-generation American son of a Palestinian Catholic father, Andy was mistreated on a visit to Israel at age 12 and has avowedly opposed the state ever since. We discuss the importance of history, the rise of anti-semitism, media biases, blame, “terrorists,” who is “the little guy,” what is a woman I mean Zionist, ethnic cleansing, whether Israel’s “intelligence failure” was calculated, “both sides,” utopianism, Queers for Palestine, and our dubious future. Despite our differences, this anti-Zionist, non-Zionist, and Zionist all agree: we’re fucked. Next year in Jerusalem!
Links:
Medinat Weimar (for a Jewish state in Germany): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVGeR4r5hbk&ab_channel=amhaaretz
Samantha Woll, Detroit rabbi stabbed: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2023/10/21/samantha-woll-dead-isaac-agree-downtown-detroit-synagogue-president/71271616007/
Illinois lawyer’s antisemitic rant: https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1715216523915071978
Anna Baltzer: http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/
Illinois Muslim boy stabbed: https://apnews.com/article/muslim-boy-killed-chicago-landlord-will-county-5135dea218326d6e639a996564d9369e
AIPAC: https://www.aipac.org/
Seder-Masochism (Nina’s animated feature film about Jewish identity): https://sedermasochism.com/download/
The Wrong Sort of Everything with Bev Jackson
Longtime activist and author Bev Jackson is a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front and, more recently, co-founder of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual Alliance (LGBA), one the the only organizations standing for homosexual (as opposed to “queer”) rights and the only UK charity supporting truly lesbian events. We discuss the corruption of Wikipedia, the astronomical increase of transing girls, the “born that way” narrative, zealous American politicians, outsourcing opinions, patience for the poorly-informed, boundaries vs inclusivity, pedophilia, Bad Law, medical scandals, and Tunnock’s Teacakes. Plus, Corrrrrri changes his name, and Nina writes a scathing Letter to the Editor. Who’s the queerest of them all? Listen and find out!
Links:
Bev on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth
Bev’s email: bev.jackson@lgballiance.org.uk
LGBA website: https://lgballiance.org.uk
Tribunal Transcript (Mermaids vs Charity Commission & LGBA): https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/
LGBA conference: https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/
John Boyne apologizes to Graham Linehan: https://twitter.com/JohnBoyneBooks/status/1698830513077694477
The Darkest Humor
Nina and Corinna — who between them comprise one-and-a-half Jews — discuss recent events in the Middle East, after a brief detour about IP Law and its discontents. We confuse Robert Redford with Paul Newman, compare synagogues and mosques with Starbuck’s and Dunkin’ Donuts, and learn the difference between philo-semites and hebephiles. Then we get dark. Do people hate Jews more than we thought? Does Israel commit atrocities, or military actions? Are young people nihilists? Forgive us, for despite the smoothest segues in podcasting, we know not what we do.
Links:
This Land Is Mine (short animation): https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=ttwMH8SPCxpM0OI2
The Exodus Song: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_of_Exodus
Exodus (movie): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(1960_film)
Seder-Masochism (movie): https://sedermasochism.com/download/
Nina’s Twitter thread about Jews vs Zionists: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1711371708190330934
The Art of Dissident Feminists with J Berns
A Nasty Piece of Work: The Art of Dissident Feminists is the world’s first and only “TERF” Art show, featuring 14 female artists, all of whom have been canceled due to gender ideology. Its curator and organizer is J. Berns, an activist, mother, art lover, and upstanding badass. She talks about how her gallery was vandalized the day after the show’s successful opening; the difficulties of living in the Bay Area if you hold gender critical views; TERF money; ways women are not allowed their own language; how terrorists increasingly dictate speech; and hot pink blood. Wait until the end for her descriptions of the amazing works in the show, which runs until October 15 in San Francisco, and could even come to a city near you if you help make it happen!
Links:
A Nasty Piece of Work: The Art of Dissident Feminists https://www.accelerationspace.org/
Vandalism of the art show, posted by the vandals themselves: https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2023/09/17/18858974.php
Women Are Real: https://womenarereal.org/
On Twitter: https://twitter.com/WomenAreReals
WDI: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/
Roisin Murphy - Hit Parade: https://roisinmurphy.bandcamp.com/album/hit-parade
Indiegogo cancels Nina: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2023/01/06/indiegogo-cancels-agents-of-h-a-g/
Our Grace Lavery episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/
Our Kikomi episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-55-biotrans-with-kikomi/
Genspect’s conference in Denver: https://genspect.org/the-bigger-picture-continues-denver-colorado/
Taking The Weird Path with Saya Hillman
Back when this podcast had only 4 listeners, Debbie Hillman of foodfarmsdemocracy.net was one of them. Debbie passed away in March, after which Corinna discovered a 2014 tribute video by her daughter. An interesting character in her own right, Saya Hillman joins the Dorx to talk about her mom, our moms, moms in general, dads, families, estrangement, growing up weird, adulting, fun, entrepreneurship, cleaning, pocket knives, making friends as an adult, silver linings, excess backups, old age, death, and living a fearless life. Learn about a fascinating daughter, a fascinating mother, and, most importantly, that dishwashers have filters that need to be cleaned.
Links:
Saya Hillman reads “If Only My Name Was Alexis”: https://youtu.be/oxijkP9tpAU?si=zHOFkad9yeVABcxS
Mac and Cheese Productions: https://macncheeseproductions.com/
Debbie Hillman's memorial page: https://macncheeseproductions.com/debbie-hillman/
Debbie Hillman’s twitter account: https://twitter.com/DLHillman
Seder-Masochism (featuring Nina’s Dad): https://sedermasochism.com/download/
Does Sex Matter? Gender Identity vs Material Reality, our 2019 panel talk Debbie attended (we think): https://youtu.be/RguD61siLB8?si=4LpIn_zENirTxb49
Listener Questions!
Corinna and Nina answer your important questions, such as: what is a feminist? Should we be cheerful instead of angry? Who cuts our hair? Boxers or briefs? Is “cis” a slur? We also discuss the TERF-Tranny spectrum; our origins in a state fair livestock exhibit; the social benefits of taboos; Republicans' ability to eff up a sure thing; how social contagions are a force of nature; The Law of Conservation of Evil; iatrogenic infantilization; masculinized women; how 2nd-Wave Feminism is like broccoli; and Corinna’s plans to start microdosing testosterone. It’s truly a broad-ranging conversation, as we cover more territory than a costumed llama!
Links:
Anger is like Rocket Fuel: https://mimiandeunice.com/2010/07/29/rocket-fuel/
Maybe One by Bill McKibben: https://billmckibben.com/maybe-one.html
Twitter poll: Makeup or Hijab?: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1691882332871885285
Beauty and Misogyny by Sheila Jeffreys: https://www.feministes-radicales.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Jeffreys_Beauty_and_Misogyny_Harmful_Cultural_Practices_in_the_West__Women_and_Psychology_1.pdf
Left Wing Heresy with Lisa Selin Davis
Prolific writer, researcher, thinker, and close personal friend of the Dorx Lisa Selin Davis is an old-school Leftist who developed an “exciting new interest in reality,” subsequently putting her on the wrong side of many a Brooklyn dinner party. We ask: What does it mean to be on the Left? What is Feminism? Do Gender Critics engage in “hugboxing"? How does one remain curious and empathetic while talking to ignorant a-holes? Do Conservative women give fewer effs? Is Corinna wearing “woman-pit”? What is Lisa’s next book about? It’s a party in the rabbit hole as 3 disagreeable friends agree on just about everything.
Links:
Housewife: https://lisaselindavis.substack.com/p/its-time-to-pre-order-my-new-book
Skokie (film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skokie_(film)
BROADview: https://lisaselindavis.substack.com/
Lisa on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LisaSelinDavis
GENDER WARS Playing Cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/
Heather Brunskell-Evans is (a) TERF*
The delightful and accomplished Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans joins the Dorx on short notice, first to talk about her work with Women’s Declaration International and Transgender Trend, then about her exhaustion with all manner of ideological nonsense, be it from trans rights activists or her “sisters” on the left. Purity spirals, tribal instincts, toxic agreeableness, Munchausen’s mums, disappointments, growing up female, Satan, misogyny, losing faith, and more keep her dancing between fed-up boredom and fierce determination. She may be Tired, but she will keep Explaining Reality until the F***wits listen up!
*TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to F***wits
Links:
Dr. Heather Brunskell-Evans: https://www.transgendertrend.com/dr-heather-brunskell-evans/
Women’s Declaration International: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/about/
Transgender Trend: https://www.transgendertrend.com/
Keira Bell case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_v_Tavistock
Pride flags on UK hospitals: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/05/giant-pride-flag-painted-on-hospital-criticised/
Apocalypse Animated: https://apocalypseanimated.com/
How the Internet Lost its Backbone, with Joshua Moon
In 1993 John Gilmore famously said, "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” To learn why that’s no longer true, listen to Josh Moon enumerate “the amount of things that have broken that people in the industry assumed could never break,” as activists with personal vendettas and political agendas relentlessly employ every possible strategy to silence his small but notorious gossip site Kiwi Farms. From Cloudflare to Hurricane Electric, ISPs, data centers, and payment processors, literally anything up and down the Border Gateway Protocol has been targeted to shut down the 'Farms. With ISIS, the KKK, Stormfront, neo-nazis, and child porn all continuing to enjoy online services, who expected “the gossip site that makes fun of troons" to be the straw to break the Internet's backbone? And why have the individuals and organizations who once stood against censorship lost their own?
Links:
Brave browser: https://brave.com/
Tor browser: https://www.torproject.org/download/
Keffals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffals
The World Should Not Need Kiwi Farms by Corinna Cohn: https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/the-world-should-not-need-kiwi-farms
Liz Fong Jones calls Corinna a “Kiwi Farms operative”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np9erdnM4l8&t=3074s&ab_channel=LizFong-Jones
Border Gateway Protocol (BGP): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol
Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/
Internet Archive: https://archive.org/
Copyright’s origins in censorship: https://questioncopyright.org/promise
FIRE: https://www.thefire.org/
Corinna & Nina talk ICONS
The Dorx do a quick review of the 2023 ICONS International Women's Sports Summit in Denver, among whose speakers were many former Heterodorx guests like Carole Hooven, Colin Wright, Helen Joyce, Kara Dansky, and Kim Jones; plus Suzanne Vierling, Dina McMillan, Riley Gaines, Jennifer Sey, and countless other badass women, including tall otherworldly young athletes, elder Olympic champions, lawyers, writers, policy-makers, conservatives, liberals, and spectral beings. There were even some men, like Jon Pike, Ross Tucker, Corinna, and at least one cute security guy. The theme was WINNING, and we're going to, just like Nina wins an argument with Corinna about whether the elite professional-managerial class constitutes an "orthodoxy." It is what's best in life!
ICONS website (currently featuring videos from the 3-day Summit): https://www.iconswomen.com/
GENDER WARS Playing Cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/
N.W.H.: F*ck the Security Guards: https://youtu.be/6LjW6j56ZgI
Elaine Miller at the Edinburgh Fringe: https://twitter.com/GussieGrips/status/1684893485902565378
Donate via Nina’s blog (upper right hand corner): https://blog.ninapaley.com/
Pediatric Disenchantment with Julia Mason, MD
Julia Mason is a practicing pediatrician, a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and a founding member of the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM). A politically homeless, feline-affirming, bleeding-heart liberal who wants to pause pediatric transition, Mason raises grave concerns about the “affirmation model” which locks in adolescent identities at a time kids cycle through them as part of growing up. We learn the AAP actively suppresses internal dissent while profiting from corporate endorsements; that there are no empirical criteria for identifying which kids are “actually” trans; that small children believe whatever adults - especially their parents - tell them; and that Corinna is drinking a lot of electrolytes.
Links:
Wheaton Labs: https://wheaton-labs.com/
Julia Mason on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JuliaMasonMD1
SEGM, the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine https://segm.org/
Reconsidering Informed Consent: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35300570/
The Myth of “Reliable Research”: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36593754/
Gender doctor praises Leelah Alcorn “boldly” committing suicide: https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/leader-of-alabama-gender-clinic-praises
To Speak or Not to Speak? with Olivia
Olivia works on the front lines of America’s public education system, teaching in the Pacific Northwest. So dangerous is her line of work that she’s choosing to remain semi-anonymous — for now. What will it take for her, and others witnessing State-ordered genderist indoctrination of children, to say something? Corinna gently reminds that we have to be able to say some things are wrong, while Nina says this may be everyone’s last chance to speak out before it’s “cool” (and then passé). Olivia explains how teachers are in a bind, and unless the spiral of silence gets broken, America’s public schools face an even bleaker future.
Links:
Genspect: https://genspect.org/
Gender A Wider Lens podcast: https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/
The Milgram Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Rona Duwe, German feminist: https://substack.com/@ronaduwe
Gender Wars cards (are they appropriate in the classroom?): https://www.heterodorx.com/gender-wars-cards/
FAIR Educators Alliance: https://www.fairforall.org/fair-educators-alliance/
Angus Fox: https://genspect.org/author/angusfox/
FIRE: https://www.thefire.org/
Doin’ the 12-Step with Ben Appel
Returning sexy guest Ben Appel recently wrote about genderism and other political ideologies infiltrating Alcoholics Anonymous, despite its 10th Tradition prohibiting alignment with outside issues. But what is a “Tradition” anyway? Ben and Nina possibly violate the 11th one (“always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films”) in an attempt to describe the wacky, brilliant, not-really-a-cult-except-sometimes, life-changing, spiritual, occasionally smelly world of 12-Step recovery programs. Corinna learns the difference between AA and Al-Anon; Nina wishes she believed in god and says “irrational problems demand irrational solutions”; and Ben talks about compulsive praying and his upcoming book, “Cis White Gay,” along with a ton of other interesting topics. Another great episode! Keep coming back!
Links:
Ben Appel: https://www.benappelwrites.com/writing
How Alcoholics Anonymous Lost Its Way by Ben Appel: https://unherd.com/2023/05/how-alcoholics-anonymous-lost-its-way/
Our Wilfred Reilly episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-82-hoaxes-wokeses-and-other-folkses-with-wilfred-reilly/
AA’s 12 Traditions: https://www.aa.org/the-twelve-traditions
Synanon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon
Alcoholics Anonymous: https://www.aa.org/
Al-Anon: https://al-anon.org/
The Serenity Prayer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer
Nina’s Adventures book: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/ninas-adventures-book/
Gender of Champions with Kim Jones
Kim Jones is a co-founder of ICONS, the International Council On WomeN’s Sports. A former college athlete whose daughter had to compete against Lia Thomas, Jones intelligently and passionately articulates why “sports are the public arena of the difference of the sexes,” and how gaslighting girls in the spotlight sends a harrowing message to all women. We also discuss the inversion of the word “inclusion,” the slipperiness of the word “gender,” men undressing next to strange girls, the importance of speaking your mind, Corinna's fanciful claims of doing Nina's yard work, Title IX, women who advocate male dominance, and more.
ICONS Women’s Sports Summit, Denver July 21-23 (the Dorx will be there!): https://www.iconswomen.com/2023-conference-registration/
Open Wounds
The Dorx skip the guest to discuss online drama du jour: so-called “allies” using language detransitioners don’t like. Nina asserts no one likes to be told how to speak; that there is some violence inherent to all surgery; that middle-aged women are forced into an unwanted mommy role; and all humans are capable of healing, no matter how disfigured or mutilated. Corinna says we can use plain instead of charged language, and implores “don’t be an ally, be a listener.” He argues calmly, rationally, and in good faith, before mentioning he recently doubled his dose of exogenous estrogen. Then he returns to Twitter to provoke everyone further for some reason.
Links:
GENDER WARS cards (temporarily out of stock, but on backorder): https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/
India Willoughby's review: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/AVYdzaeaDtSPIcc07U
Mary Harrington: https://reactionaryfeminist.com/feminism-against-progress/
Corinna provoking people on Twitter: https://twitter.com/heterodorx/status/1664351092535173120
https://twitter.com/heterodorx/status/1665547115236405248
https://twitter.com/heterodorx/status/1665549900258443265
Alasdair Gunn: It’s Fun To Play Scrabble With A Linguist
Vice Director of Genspect Alasdair Gunn (nee Angus Fox) rejoins the Dorx to recap Killarney’s Bigger Picture conference, compare European and US approaches to gender issues, and update us on his health. Soon Corinna is pushing exogenous estrogen on Nina, who just wants to settle down with a female housemate despite being recently named a Scarlet Whore. Other major themes include menopause, burly Irish asphalt workers, tarot cards, and repeated threats by Corinna to edit all this out. It’s the quality content our firefighting, tree-felling, cooking and cleaning listeners expect!
Links:
Shawn Thierry’s Texas speech: https://twitter.com/lukemaciastx/status/1657213918048034817
IMPRO by Keith Johnstone: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-KIkLrSPi_3lzPl5v
GENDER WARS Playing Cards which can totally also be used for Tarot-style divination: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/
Ask an Autogynephile! with Phil Illy
Most autogynephiles — men sexually aroused by impersonating, embodying, or identifying as women — are so deeply ashamed of their condition they deny its existence. Phil Illy is a rare exception whose acceptance and curiosity led him to research and write a book on the topic. We discuss attraction to others (“allosexuality”) vs attraction to embodied states or oneself (“autosexuality”); the narcissism of falling in love; “meta-sexuality”; gender-based vs. sex-based attraction; autism as identity; pillow queens; Corinna’s boobs; Bronies; paranormal romance novels; pseudobisexuality; and autozoophilic trans turtles. After all our somewhat explicit talk about sex, we conclude it continues to be real, people continue to be weird, and everyone needs to CHILL OUT.
Links:
Autoheterosexuality by Phil Illy: autohetbook.com
Phil Illy's Substack: phililly.substack.com
Phil on Twitter: @autogynephilic
The Heterodorx get Blocked and Reported with Katie Herzog and Jessie Singal
For our celebratory 100th episode, podcasting role-models Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal join the Dorx as special guest audio engineers. Except Corinna’s been so busy testifying for “anti-trans" bills around the country, and Nina’s been so sick with COVID, that we only made it to episode 98. Nonetheless, we cover gender wars, egregious reporting, backlashes, Drag Queen story hours, Trump Derangement Syndrome, the Minority Stress Model, men in women’s sports, persecution complexes, Twitter, Substack, pizzas, Katie’s goddess-like spouse, Nina’s “butch energy,” safety pins, and pronouns, learning that in spite of a few irreconcilable differences, all agree that “they” is a terrible choice for individuals.
Links:
Katie & Jesse's podcast: https://www.blockedandreported.org/
Riley Gaines at San Francisco State University: https://www.thefire.org/news/protestors-chased-down-riley-gaines-after-her-campus-speech-sfsu-says-its-proud-events
Posie Parker in New Zealand: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2023/03/25/kellie-jay-keen-is-attacked-and-mobbed-by-trans-activists-in-new-zealand/
Nina’s GiveSendGo: https://www.givesendgo.com/apocalypseanimated
Incorrigible? with Zander Keig
From anti-social teenage lesbian drop-out, to Coast Guardsman, to seminarian, to licensed clinical social worker, Zander Keig has led a singular life. Like Corinna, Zander is an old-school transsexual, but the culture has changed since the (not actually) halcyon tranny days of yore. Recently, Zander went from being WPATH Educator of the Year to becoming the subject of an ethics complaint and an underhanded cancel campaign — for committing the unforgivable sin of advising the Gender Dysphoria Alliance. Keig’s equanimity stands out even more than the fascinating, insightful, and occasionally harrowing stories on this episode.
Links:
Zander Keig’s website: https://www.zanderkeig.net/
Gender Dysphoria Alliance: https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/
Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism: https://www.fairforall.org/
Therapy Talk with James Esses
Mild-mannered therapist-in-training James Esses was expelled from his university after expressing concerns about child safeguarding in relation to gender transition. Now he's fighting for his day in court. Focusing on "positive change in society," he fills in the Dorx on the whole story, and discusses the therapy industry, speaking out, cancel culture’s reign of terror, a variety of delusions, and the importance of acknowledging Reality for mental health.
Links:
James Esses’s Legal crowdfunder: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/expelled-university-free-speech/
James Esses on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamesEsses
Speaking and Thinking with Helen Joyce
Helen Joyce is a journalist, former writer and editor at The Economist, and author of TRANS: When Ideology Meets Reality. She joins the Dorx to discuss what is and is not Worthy Of Respect In A Democratic Society, the importance of free speech to free thought, the stupefaction of political polarization, differences between TERF Island and the USA, Left-wing “discipline,” splits in the gender-critical movement, and more. Nina is such a drooling fangirl she barely flinches when her work is compared to painted stones and crocheted vulvas, and Corinna asks refreshing questions.
Links:
Website: https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/
Twitter @HJoyceGender
TRANS: When Ideology Meets Reality: https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/trans-news-and-reviews/
Sex Matters: https://sex-matters.org/
Compliance Comix: https://www.heterodorx.com/compliancecomix/
The CAIS Files
Fetishized, minimized, and co-opted: Is it an identity? A “gotcha”? A political football? Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) is in fact a serious medical condition, vanishingly rare yet disproportionately discussed by everyone with an agenda in the gender wars. Jo, a.k.a. CAIS Files, is a Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist, adoptive mother, and adult with CAIS, who eloquently sets the record straight on what Disorders of Sexual Development (DSDs) are and are not. Just like sex is a material reality rather than a feeling in a fantasist's head, so are the numerous conditions (mis)labeled "intersex". Enjoy the edifying wisdom and common sense of this long-overdue, much-anticipated episode.
Links:
CAIS files on Twitter: https://twitter.com/CAIS_Files
The Dreger-Wright debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2aKX8Mcz9Q&ab_channel=CorinnaCohn
Carole Hooven: http://www.carolehooven.com/
TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
DSD Families: https://www.dsdfamilies.org/charity
Differently Normal blog: https://differently-normal.com/blog-2/
How to Speak, How to Listen, and How to Comply
Corinna has been VERY BUSY speaking out against medically harming children or in favor of genocide (depending), including delivering this excellent 3-minute testimony supporting Indiana SB 480. Nina grapples with the Kafkaesque nightmare that is Indiegogo. Corinna encounters some activists from Planned Parenthood giving free advice on “blocking that legal stuff.” We’ve missed posting podcasts regularly; between all the travel, testifying, day job (Corinna) and weeping in despair (Nina), we just haven’t had time. So please enjoy this unedited quickie we recorded this morning.
Links:
Corinna’s testimony for Indiana SB 480: https://youtu.be/wYhMejWA_zg
FOX59 news coverage of that same session: https://youtu.be/P_nP-bVyfMQ
How to Speak, How to Listen by Mortimer J. Adler: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-to-Speak-How-to-Listen/Mortimer-J-Adler/9780684846477
Compliance Comix: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/compliance-comix/
Agents of H.A.G.: https://www.heterodorx.com/hag/
The Witch Trials of JK Rowling: https://www.thefp.com/p/the-witch-trials-of-jk-rowling
The View from Canada with Stuart Parker
Canada, which National Lampoon once called “The Retarded Giant on Your Doorstep,” is just as affectionately known today as “Tranada.” It’s also the home of lifelong leftist, environmentalist, activist, prolific writer, and shape-shifting space lizard Stuart Parker. A former child-star-activist à la Greta Thunberg, Parker tells all about Canadian eugenics programs, Wallace Wong, “supportive housing”, the post-political era, Big Pharma, liberal nationalism, multi-culturalism, TERF blacklists, Morgane Oger, the role of mascot enforcer, total social immunity, getting canceled, and more. The Dorx are frequently shocked, and not just because Parker’s sarcasm surpasses Corinna’s.
Links:
Stuart Parker on Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuartlosaltos
Parker's website: http://stuartparker.ca/
Los Altos Institute: https://www.losaltos.ca/
No-Makeup Tips with Holly Lawford-Smith
Nina is both lazy and unafraid to look bad, as she fails to prepare a proper intro for magnificent political philosopher, author, and Quillette columnist Dr. Holly Lawford-Smith. Those same qualities are why Nina doesn’t wear makeup; Lawford-Smith shares some of her own. Even token tranny Corinna has some no-makeup tips, such as waiting 5-7 years between applications. Then Lawford-Smith answers, and asks, some profound questions: Is makeup attractive, or a signal of compliance? What counts as philosophy? Is long hair radfem? What is Gender Critical Feminism? Does bullshit emanate from the Anglosphere, or from France? Is buying sex wrong? Prepare to be dazzled by beauty, intelligence, and humor that are anything but skin-deep.
Links:
https://hollylawford-smith.org/
https://quillette.com/author/holly-lawford-smith/
https://twitter.com/aytchellesse
Books: https://hollylawford-smith.org/books/
The Radical Notion: https://theradicalnotion.org/
Nina’s twitter makeup polls: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1613321903846068225
and https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1613540702356471808
Elaine Miller: Behind the Merkin
Elaine Miller is a pelvic physiotherapist, award-winning comedic performer, women’s rights campaigner, and now Edinburgh council candidate. She recounts how she became the infamous “Holyrood Flasher,” scandalized her children, and taught much of the ignorant world what a merkin is. She also discusses why male people cannot have periods, “gender difference,” comedy, fetishes, organ transplants, incontinence, the Bristol Stool Chart, bumholes, and much more. All in a lovely Scottish accent that melts the hearts of Amerkins like Corinna, who has NO REGRETS, and Nina, who reveals some very personal lady issues and clenches her Kegels through the entire interview.
Links:
Elaine’s web site: gussetgrippers.co.uk
Twitter: https://twitter.com/GussieGrips
The Naked Athena of Portland: https://www.artdealerstreet.com/single-post/2020/08/21/the-vulnerable-warrior-of-portland
Dave Chappelle’s show The Closer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closer_(2021_film)
Bristol stool chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale
Tampax sponsors Dylan Mulvaney: https://www.newsweek.com/boycott-tampax-trends-company-slammed-trans-sponsors-1761556
Merkin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin
'Flashing' feminist Elaine Miller to stand in Edinburgh council by-election: https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/flashing-feminist-elaine-miller-stand-29057411
Dialing Down the Misanthropy with Heather Heying
Evolutionary biologist, former Evergreen college professor, Dark Horse podcaster, and author Heather Heying shares her thoughts on academia. We learn Heying is the daughter of a university math professor, like Nina. Corinna then nudges the two faculty spawn into a lively argument about just how much women submit to men, and whether social conditioning or biology are the cause. Plus, utopianism and its discontents, social stratification, consuming junk, environmental issues, and why life is too short to eat lousy chocolate.
Links:
Heather Heying’s web site: https://www.heatherheying.com/
Heying’s Substack: https://naturalselections.substack.com/
Heying on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherEHeying
Dark Horse Podcast: https://www.bretweinstein.net/darkhorse-podcast
A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: https://www.huntergatherersguide.com/
On resigning from the Board of the University of Austin: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/uatxresignation
Circling the Rhetorical Drain with Alex Byrne and Carole Hooven
Why do debates about trans rights always get sucked into arguments about Disorders of Sexual Development? Philosophy professor Alex Byrne and Biology professor Carole Hooven join the Dorx for some “Monday night quarterbacking” on the Dreger-Wright debate. But first, Carole and Nina compare notes on hysterectomies, oopherctomies, and menopause. Then it’s on to why “bullshit” shouldn’t replace facts even to be “nice,” what “sex is real” actually means, the red herring of DSDs, how the humanities suffer from “science envy,” luxury beliefs, why allies ruin everything, and more. Nina ends it on a happy note: the impending extinction of everything.
Links:
Maggie Chapman replaces facts with bullshit: https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1605929587220676609
Carole Hooven tweets about C/AIS (over)representation in sports: https://twitter.com/hoovlet/status/1604137509805428736
Alex Byrne: https://philosophy.mit.edu/byrne/
Carole Hooven: http://www.carolehooven.com/
The Dreger-Wright Debate: https://youtu.be/K2aKX8Mcz9Q
Nina Gets Canceled (Again) & Corinna Predicts the Future
After raising 150% of her goal on IndieGoGo, the crowdfunding platform cancels Nina’s first comic book in 30 years, Agents of H.A.G.. Money, funders, orders — all gone, 2 days after the 2-week campaign ended. Meanwhile, Corinna observes fissures between Gender Critical factions widening into increasingly insurmountable chasms. The future looks dystopian, and so does the present!