Into the Fold: A Grishaverse Podcast

• The Ice Court Job is in FULL EFFECT in this week’s episode, as we get into chapters 27-31 of Six of Crows!

• LB is going on tour (let us know if you plan to go)!

• Did Jesper kill a guy, or just knock him out? 

• Matthias doesn’t pair well with anyone… or does he? 

• Kaz might have more privilege than he realizes 

• Nina and Inej should really just have their own series!

• Fun Segment: “Friendship Corner: EvilleCon 2024 Edition”

  
  

  Question of the week: What should each Crow couple’s “our song” be?

Before Geoff and Julianna head off on their world travels, we have to talk about this prison break. So, this week, we are getting into chapters 22-26 of SoC!

• Some of the characters are just… there. 

• The things Jesper has to do for love (and to break out of prison). 

• There’s a reason Inej is holding onto hope better than Kaz

• The end of the Kaz Brekker origin story?

• Fun Segment: Set the Scene: Balloon Farm Edition (Turned Tables Remix)

• Question of the week: Give us your best ship name from the SoC characters! Bonus points if you can mash all the crows together into one name.

Next Week's question: Give us your best “ship name” from the Six of Crows characters! (Bonus points if you can combine all six crows names into one)

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Next time: Six of Crows chs 27 through 29!

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This week, we’re stopping off at a coffee shop (they have those) to discuss chapters 20 and 21 of Six of Crows! 

• New goal: finished SoC by the time we present at Literary Ink in July!

• LB is serving some serious press realness for her new book: The Familiar

• “It” may be hard to talk about, but we have to acknowledge it 

• The moment we realized there IS no Bo-Yul Bayur

• Proof of coffee!

• Bonding over trauma bonding 

• Fun segment: Set the Scene: Hazbin Hotel Edition!

• Question of the week: Which is more fun to say: “Bunk Biscuit” or “Gatsinga?”

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We’re back on our chapter discussions (and our usual shenanigans)!

• Our podcast has a new executive producer ;-)

• Check out Geoff on TV and Movie Trivia Podcast w/ Brian Sheehan

• Kaz and Matthias are more similar than they think 

• Flashbacks with seamless transitions

• Geoff is NOT defending Pekka Rollins… However…

• All the best lines are said BY Kaz or ABOUT Nina 

• Fun segment: Geoff and Julianna’s Friendship Corner - New Dad Edition!

• Question of the week: Would you rather BE Nina, or have Nina as a best friend?

Next time: Six of Crows chs 20 and 21!

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Happy Holidays to you and yours! Wherever, whatever, and however you celebrate, we are so happy to have another year with you on the books. Once again, we come together to celebrate our Winter Fete! This time, we are joined by our dear friends and podcasting pals Spencer and Jess from Not So Young Adults/Twi-Lit Podcast!

• Set the Scene: “Vicar of Dibley” Edition

• A holiday Mad-Lib from Julianna

• Can we guess the book based on 1-star reviews? 

• We play “Secret Santa” with three literary universes at once!

• The Laughing Game!

Where to find Spencer and Jess: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/spencer-strait/support

Next time: Six of Crows chs 18 and 19!

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With so much going on around the holidays, we had a lot of energy going into this week’s new episode!

• Bridges can be hills?

• Netflix canceled Shadow & Bone (spoiler alert: Geoff is not taking it well)

• It’s time for some GIRL TALK!

• The Ice Court Mission: the worst group date ever

• We need to talk about Jesper

• Fun Segment: Who’s Coming to Dinner: Six of Crows Edition!

• Question of the week: Who is your favorite Crows pairing?

Next time: Six of Crows chs 18 and 19!

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We’re back-back-back-back-BACK again! This week, we are finally getting back into our chapter discussions with chapters 12 and 13 of Six of Crows!

• Sorry we’re late! Life… uh… get in the way. 

• Leigh knows we exist! HOORAY!

• Back stories are more delicious when you get them in pieces 

• There’s always time for Kaz sass.

• If Kaz is a demon, Pekka must be the Boogeyman!

• Fun segment: Auto-Complete the Character 

• Question of the week: Give us your thoughts about Leigh Bardugo’s new book announcement.

Next time: Six of Crows chs 14 and 15!

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Thanks to all who came to see us live at LeakyCon this year! We got to do a panel all about the Grishaverse for beginners! We had a blast and know you are going to love this recording!

On this live panel we broke down the Grishaverse map, chatted about favorite characters, took questions from the audience, and shoutout some of our fandom friends along the way!

Thanks to our friends at Spinners Court for our Keftas! Shoutouts to @belatedbingepod and @Notsoyoungadults pod

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This week we are excited to have out first guest and very COOOOOOOOL guest on the pod, Ante Dekovic! Ante Dekovic was born in Croatia and grew up in Germany, before he moved to Los Angeles. . He is a Emmy award winning and 4 time nominated VFX Supervisor known for his VFX work on Shadow and Bone (2023), The Hunger Games (2012), 2012, Fast 5 to name just few, as well as Star Trek: Picard and Discovery, in which he also appeared in front of the camera (2017) He is also the co-owner of the Ceñtral Duesseldorf Skateshop. 

• Awards: Emmy for Outstanding Special Visual Effects In A Single Episode - 2021- Star Trek: Discovery: "Su'kal"

• Nominated for Emmy for Outstanding Special Visual Effects In A Single Episode - 2023 - Shadow And Bone: "Rusalye"

Where you can find Ante:

• Instagram: @antevfx 
• Website: centralduesseldorf.com

Next time: LeakyCon LIVE

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Enjoy our discussion of this week’s chapters, because the next episode we have coming out will be recorded LIVE AT LEAKYCON!

• Congrats to the S&B Special Effects team on their Emmy nomination!

• Tante Heleen is the WORST (it’s a fact)

• You can end a chapter on a twist, but not on a cliffhanger

• Knives are better than guns 

• Fun Segment: Sell it to Me!

• Question of the week: Ask us anything you want (Grishaverse related or not) and we will answer it during out panel at LeakyCon!

Next time: LeakyCon LIVE!

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Happy Pride Month! This week, we are discussing chapters 5 and 6 of Six of Crows. We’re breaking into prison, so that we can break into prison later, so we can break into even more prison even later. Hope you like fan claps, because there’s a lot of them. 

• Kaz and Nina: the light side and the dark side of determination. 

• Is the Barrel SUPPOSED to be this tacky? 

• It’s okay to be a sex worker, but the Barrel doesn’t seem like the ideal place to do it. 

• Hellgate is suspiciously easy to get into and (we assume) out of. 

• How many times should we have stopped and read Shadow and Bone first?

• Fun Segment: Geoff and Julianna’s Friendship Corner: Pride Edition!

  
  

  Question of the week: How do you celebrate Pride Month? Show us, tell us, share with us! Email us or DM us your answer!

Next time: Chapters 7, 8 and 9!

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This week we have a guest spot we did with the amazing Book and Bottle Podcast:

Callisa and Holly are joined by Julianna and Geoff in this review episode of Ninth House and Hell Bent by Leigh Bardugo. They discuss the heavy triggers within the book, the descent into Hell, and of course glowstick dick energy. Ninth House and Hell Bent follow the main character, Alex Stern, as she gets a new chance at life when she's invited to a secret magical society at Yale because she can see ghosts. However, murders, chaos, and corruption soon follow.

WARNING: SPOILERS AND EXPLICIT CONTENT. Also, be sure to check the specific triggers of each book.

Find Book and Bottle here:

• Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK9pJORu4UteaZbFRzKfxfQ
• Instagram: @bookandbottlepodcast
• Email: bookandbottlepodcast@gmail.com

Next time we are back on track with Six of Crows chapters 5 and 6!

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We’ve been promising for a while now that we were going to start discussing Six of Crows, and now it’s finally happening!

• We’ve recorded SO many shows over the past two weeks, and we’re still not done

• The Grisha Talley actually has an update!

• Joost: a lessons in why putting on an act to impress someone you like never works

• Money is the root of all evil, and the rich guys are the real villains of this story

• Kaz Brekker isn’t just awesome, he’s complicated!

• Fun segment: Mad Lib Mystery

Question of the week: Should Kaz have killed Big Bolliger to make an example of him?

Next Week's question: Should Kaz have killed Big Bolliger to make an example of him?

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Next time: Chapters 3 and 4!

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SPOILER ALERT!

This week, we are sharing our thoughts and opinions on Shadow & Bone: Season 2! This is a VERY spoiler-heavy episode, so we won't be giving away too much here. Everything you need to know (about how we feel about it) is in the episode, which is available NOW! So, enjoy and then share YOUR thoughts with us.

Next time: Six of Crows Chs 1 and 2!

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We aren’t just wrapping up Ruin & Rising, we’re wrapping up the whole Shadow & Bone trilogy! And we’re doing it in a way that is very “us”: with games and fun segments!

• 60-second summaries! Can we get it done??
• Best Bits Tournament! We finally decide which bit is the best bit of ITF!
• Shadow & Bone Yearbook: see who made the list.
• The Maddest Lib We’ve Ever Done: what’s so mad about it? Buckle up!
• Better Off or Not? They’ve been through a lot, but was it worth it?
• Stay tuned until the final segment for a special surprise!!

Question of the week: Have you read Hell Bent yet? If so, what did you think?

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We’ve been threatening to reach the end of the Shadow & Bone trilogy for a long time, and now we finally have!

• Stay excited! Season 2 of Shadow & Bone on Netflix will be here before you know it
• We are going “Into the Fold” for the last time (don’t worry, the show isn’t ending)
• Julianna isn’t familiar with Avatar: the Last Airbender. Trust us, it’s gonna come up.
• It’s okay to be sad about the death of The Darkling
• It’s okay to be happy about the (not) death of Mal
• Nikolai has his work cut out for him! He wanted to be king, he’s got it.
• We are ending the way we began, and that’s some good writing!
• We are going to miss all the Arianna Grande references.
• Fun segment: Two Baghras and an Apparat

Question of the week: What were your favorite moments from the Shadow & Bone trilogy (including the books and the podcast episodes)?

Next time: Ruin and Rising Wrap Up!

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Everybody’s heard that the (fire)bird is the word… but is it, though? Alina and the crew are splitting in two and going off on missions in chapters 13 and 14 of Ruin and Rising!

• We are no longer censoring our curse words! You have been warned ;-)
• All the different types of men (well, at least 3)
• Harshaw & Kaz would be best buds, not that Kaz would admit it.
• Turns out the third amplifier was with them all along, but they still had to hunt the bird to find it.
• If your chapter ends on a cliffhanger, cancel your plans.
• Fun Segment: Set the Scene: Birdcage edition!

Question of the week: Would you rather hunt the Firebird with team 1 or team 2?

Next time: chapters 15 and 16!

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Geoff and Julianna have been off on their own amazing adventures in the past few weeks, much like the Darkling in Leigh Bardugo’s latest release. So, we’re taking some time to talk about each of them:

• NYCC, Kitt Young’s new Netflix movie, and Leigh Bardugo gives life to a fellow author’s iconic character
• Demon in the Wood (singular) is a must have!
• Are there any actual heroes or villains in this story? We aren’t 100% sure
• Julianna runs the Chicago marathon (and it took quite an interesting turn)
• Geoff performed at Denver LeakyCon
• We’ve been so busy on our adventures, we forgot the question we asked our listeners a few weeks ago

Next time: chapters 8, 9 and 10!

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This week Geoff and Julianna are jet-setting so we have a special episode from the other Juliana for you! Enjoy!

Summary:

“Be yourself because everyone else is already taken” is a quote from Oscar Wilde that Geoff lives by. Geoff is on the podcast today to talk all things on the importance of saying yes to new opportunities that might scare you, why it’s important to be yourself and to not care what others think of you. This episode is a feel-good episode and an inspiration to be the best version of you you can be!

Geoff is a 33 year-old, non-binary, pansexual, vegetarian warehouse worker from Louisville, Kentucky. They are a podcaster, a runner, a wizard rock star, and an anime convention staff member. They have a wife and four cats and are a happy family.

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There are a lot of highs and lows (no really, they literally go up super high after being underground) in chapters 6 and 7:

• It’s not a question of “are we going to get Hell Bent?” It’s a question of “which version do we pre-order?”
• THE TEASER FOR SHADOW & BONE: SEASON 2 IS OUT!
• The return of characters both great and horrible! Baghra and Nikolai are here, but so is the King of Ravka
• Genya finally confronts her abuser and lives her truth (CW: this episode contains discussion of rape and sexual assault).
• Mal is trying, Alina is trying, but there’s really only so much they can do about their relationship at this point
• Fun segment: MAD LIBS! Nikolai returns in this episode, so we had to!

Question of the week: Give us a funny insult we can use especially for the Apparat (example: we call Mal “douche canoe”). 

Next time: chapters 8, 9 and 10!

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We are full of funny voices and Kate Bush references in this week’s episode, where we discuss chapters 4 and 5 of Ruin and Rising (NOT Seige and Storm)

• Leigh is working on some exciting stuff and we are EXCITED
• Our first five-star review since February is something to be grateful for!
• The crew make their way through the tunnels and back to the surface, and lots of fun pairings are discussed along the way
• Julianna is willing to admit that Mal is useful (doing the one thing he knows how to do)
• Things we want to know: Why is the Apparat… just, why? And, what was it like growing up in Tolya and Tamar’s house?
• How long have we been in these tunnels again? I forget…
• Fun Segment: “Which Arianna Grande album describes your life?”

Question of the week: What do you think the Apparat’s real name is?

Next time: chapters 6 and 7

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There’s some crafting (and ambulances) in the background of this episode, so clearly good AND bad things were happening in the world while we were recording. Don’t worry, our usual level of nonsense is still there!

• If anybody manages to attend the Grisha Gala in October, PLEASE send us details just in case they don’t stream it online
• Can we get out of this cathedral already? Not without a spectacle!
• Alina beats the Apparat at his own game while still getting the best lines in each chapter
• Was Mal here this whole time? We forgot…
• The Darkling and Alina keep having (sexy?) Zoom calls and the Darkling might have to release an eye shadow palette… And a fragrance…
• Fun segment: Set the Scene: Bob’s Burgers Edition

Question of the week: Who is the worst villain: The Darkling or the Apparat?

Next time: Ruin and Rising chapters 4 and 5

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It’s time to start Ruin and Rising! After two months of doing other things, it’s nice to get back to our chapter discussions.

• Hope you like our new logo (don’t worry, it’s still us)
• Have fun and stay safe if you’re going to NYCC to meet Leigh and the cast of Shadow and Bone
• The Apparat is ruining everything and he’s trying to make you thank him for it
• Alina still has friends, but how are they going to get her out of this mess??
• Julianna admits that Mal does something valuable, but we won’t get used to that
• Fun segment: Geoff and Julianna Friendship Corner! Julianna chats about her European vacation visiting Mel (not Mal)
• Question of the week: If you were in Alina’s position at the beginning of this book, how long would it take for you to forgive Tolya and Tamar?

Next time: Ruin and Rising chapters 2 and 3

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Make sure you’ve dressed appropriately because this week we’re going to a PICKLE PARTY (in costume)!

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• Leigh Bardugo is headed to New York Comic Con!
• One of our listeners offers a very thoughtful correction and an intriguing theory
• The Grisha Council might actually be getting somewhere 
• Botkin has acquired the power of DAD ENERGY!
• The gang sneaks out to go to a pickle party, but it’s not as much fun as it sounds 
• It’s a bad sign when you can smell someone before you can see them 
• We are *this close* to reaching peak Mal problems, but at least he respects consent 
• Fun segment: Back to School Breakdown!

Question of the week (again): If you were a materialki, what kind of inventions would you create to strengthen the Second Army?

Next time: Siege and Storm Chapters 19 and 20!

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In this week’s episode, we are reunited with old characters and meet new ones that might actually be worse people than Mal Oretsev!

• Julianna thinks Nikolai might be neurodivergent
• There’s a lot of kissing here and tbh it’s pretty much all good and bad
• By the end of the show, everyone will be a drag queen!
• Nikolai would make a great king if he ever gets a shot at it
• “Uuuuuuugggghhhhhh…”: the sound Geoff makes every time Vasily’s name comes up
• Alina is getting REALLY good at standing up to stupide men who are stupid
• The Lanstov family sucks so bad, we opened up the library just for them!
• Fun Segment: “THE RANT with Ramba Lang”: an interview about Geoff’s recent trip to EvilleCon!

Question of the week: Who do you think is the worst member of Nikolai’s family?

Next time: Siege and Storm Chapters 13 and 14!

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Despite our Zoom call getting dropped twice, we had a great discussion this week for chapters 9 and 10 of Siege and Storm!

• Our Grisha tally is growing again! The etherialki are in the lead!
• Hope ya like triangles, because this chapter has a big one
• Mal and Nikolai are bad at the same thing in different ways
• Alina wants to save the country, and EVERYONE has an opinion about how to do it (or if she SHOULD do it)
• We really want to trust Nikolai, but can we yet?
• Even Geoff admits that viewing Mal objectively is getting harder to do 
• People think Alina is a saint… no “bones” about it!
• Something feels off in the Shu Han 
• Fun Segment: “Who Said It: Edward Cullen or Mal Oretsev?”

Question of the week: Who do you think is being a bigger jerk: Mal or Nikolai? 

Next time: Siege and Storm Chapters 11 and 12!

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Bonus: Twi-Lit Podcast crossover w/ Jess and Spencer

We had such a great time with our friends Jess and Spencer on twi-LIT podcast recently, we decided to release the episode on our own channel as well to make sure nobody misses out!

• SPOILERS for both Twilight and the Grishaverse are in this episode!
• There is uncensored profanity in this episode (hence the “E” rating)
• Spencer and Jess make sure their listeners know what a grisha is
• Geoff and Julianna get to share some of their best Twilight stories

Check out twi-LIT on their social medias and subscribe to keep up with what they have coming next!

Find them here:

• All social platforms @twilitpod (https://www.instagram.com/twilitpod/)
• twiLITpod.com 
• twi-LIT wherever pods are cast! (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/twi-lit-a-literary-podcast/id1534544809) 

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This is the point in the series where we start talking about Mal in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

• Our thoughts are with the people of Ukraine during this time of crisis
• Apparently, not EVERYONE wants to join the Darkling
• We just love Tolya and Tamar more with every passing chapter
• So many great tattoo ideas happening here! Mostly about weeds…
• The ship gets a new name (and so does one of the characters)
• How (not) to juggle being a loving partner and a bloodthirsty war machine
• Oh, good… A Star Wars moment… The only thing we were missing…
• Alina has not been treated well, so it’s about time she punched someone who deserved it
• Fun Segment: “Set the Scene: Letterkenny Edition”

Question of the week: What did you think Sturmhond’s true identity was the first time you read this book? 

NEXT TIME Siege and Storm Chapters 9 and 10!

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We said that stuff was going to go down in these chapters, and we were right!

• “FYI” now stands for “F*** YOU, IVAN!”
• Leigh Bardugo eloped and the pictures are beautiful
• “Please tell me they have toothbrushes”
• Don’t make plans when the Darkling needs to talk to you
• Welcome to another episode of “Days of Our Lives (of Saints)”
• Shoutout to LB for never giving up on her dreams
• We are officially moving from book 1 to book 2 feels with these chapters
• You say “Sturmhond,” I say “Sturmhound”
• Let’s make Sea Whip tattoos a thing
• Sturmhond vs. the Darkling: a battle of smarts
• Pretty sure Geoff has a thing for Tolya AND Tamar
• Dear Genya, either make it easier to love you or harder to hate you
• Fun Segment: Set the Scene!

Question of the Week: Do you agree or disagree with Genya’s decision to stay with the Darkling?

NEXT TIME: Siege and Storm Chapters 5 and 6 

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It’s time to start a new book: Siege and Storm! We are looking forward to the new characters we will meet and the conversations we are going to have with each other and our listeners!

• New book, new logo. Don’t worry, it’s still us!
• CAST ANNOUNCEMENT FOR SHADOW AND BONE: SEASON 2!
• Pros and cons of the “boy and girl” POV
• Julianna admits that Mal is desirable and that’s how we are remembering this moment
• Should jurda be legal?
• The Darkling can’t just do the plan without flexing (and he loves Ariana Grande)
• NEW CHARACTERS! Tolya, Tamar, and Sturmhond. We love them all and that’s only going to get stronger
• Genya is the ultimate “both sides of the issue” character
• “F*** YOU, IVAN!”
• Fun Segment: Two Baghras and an Apparat
• Question of the week: Would you chew jurda?

NEXT EPISODE: Chapters 3 and 4 of Siege and Storm 

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Come one, come all! Join Geoff and Julianna as they celebrate the end of the year by throwing their very own WINTER FETE! It’s all fun and games (with a few well wishes from listeners):

• Leigh has given us A LOT to think about 
• The Darkling is getting some interesting Christmas presents this year 
• One of our listeners gave Julianna a new favorite expression 
• Secret Santa: What we would get the Shadow and Bone characters for holiday gifts
• Mad Libs: this time, Julianna sets Geoff up!
• Match the character/quote!
• Etherialki Lightning Questions: they mean…. Something
• Guess the Plot! Write a whole movie just based on the title

Question of the week: In the next book, how many chapters do you think it will take for the Darkling to find Alina? 

Next time: Starting book 2! Siege and Storm chapters 1 and 2!

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