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Fase II Fase

Fase II Fase

By Jesse Callaert
'Fase II Fase', hosted by Jesse Callaert (Nederlands Dans Theater) is a series of ongoing interviews with artists across multiple disciplines and art forms. Peek into the minds of creators and performers transitioning from one phase to another and learn about the insecurities, challenges and realities behind their art and passion.
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DJ Set: Visions of sugar plumbs for all the f**ked up kids
© artwork by Mikaela Kelly (model Auguste Palayer) TRACKLIST The Overwhelming Event - Jay Electronica  FAITH - _BY.ALEXANDER Say The Name - The Clipping BDE ft. Slowthai - Shygirl Faded ft. Lil Wayne - Tyga Timbo’s March - MM Disco Inferno - 50 Cent Blocked - NKC Find Dem - Popcaan Lens ft. Travis Scott - Frank Ocean Yeah Right - Vince Staples Kwest - Impey Sundress - A$AP Rocky  Hot Half - Farsight  Can't Feel My Legs (CHOPNOTSLOP Remix) - Don Toliver Wilin’ ft. Quay Dash - Celestial Trax Yes Indeed ft. Drake - Lil Baby Lighter Hazard (Ovid Remix) - High Graid Nicki Minaj Speaks #2 - Nicki Minaj GANG - Headie One x Fred Again.. Rules of the Dance (Kahn Remix) (feat. Charlie P) - Mungo’s Hi Fi Mouvement - BJF Nasty - Skepta  Drum Pit - MM Can I ft. Beyoncé - Drake Juice Menace - No Speaking (Breaka Remix) - Breaka Tokyo Drift - Teriyaki Boyz SBT - Lemonick NO - Park Hye Jin Britney Spears - Toxic (Breakmaster Cylinder Drum Corps remix) - Breakmaster Cylinder Gosh - Jamie xx
July 23, 2021
Spencer Dickhaus [S1E08]
Spencer Dickhaus is an American freelance artist, currently based in The Hague, The Netherlands. After dancing for several years in the renowned Nederlands Dans Theater he now works as a freelancer, aiming to discover different sides of himself and his artistry. From choreographing to assisting, staging works to dancing in multiple projects, he is on track in his new chapter. Find out more about his journey and get some inspiring insight in this episode. Instagram: @jessecallaert_ (
June 20, 2021
Awir Leon [S1E07]
Awir Leon is a French, multitalented artist currently based in Amsterdam. He has tentacles that reach beyond genre, style or profession. From playing music alongside Woodkid to dancing with Emanuel Gat to releasing a variety of critically acclaimed albums, he is always busy with something new. His modern-aged da Vinci-like vibe is fascinating and during this episode he talks in depth about his various creative processes. Dive into the story of ambitious and inspiring Awir Leon.  Instagram: @jessecallaert_ (
June 06, 2021
Lea Ved [S1E06]
Dive into the compelling story of Lea Ved in this very inspiring episode. Lea is currently a dancer with the Nederlands Dans Theater (NDT) in The Hague but she has traveled around the world a great deal way before she joined one of the best contemporary dance companies in the world. She has literally been going from phase to phase her entire life, moving a lot as a child, getting into Juilliard, breakdancing with Rubberband, joining the Royal Swedish Ballet and ending up at NDT. In this episode you follow Lea on her journey as she dives into the pilar moments that have molded her career as well as the small moments in between that enriched her as an artist. Instagram: @jessecallaert_ ( 
May 23, 2021
Lukas Dhont [S1E05]
Lukas Dhont (1991) is a Belgian movie director who received worldwide acclaim with his first feature film ‘Girl’, which won a ton of prizes at various film festivals across the world. In this conversation Lukas generously shares his thoughts on making his new film and opens up about the insecurities and doubts that arise during the creative process. Instagram: @jessecallaert_ ( 
February 21, 2021
Ève-Marie Dalcourt [S1E04]
Ève-Marie Dalcourt (1997) is a Canadian freelance dancer and artist and a dear friend of mine. After dancing with the prestigious Nederlands Dans Theater in The Hague for three years, she decided to dive into unexplored territory and become a freelancer. Rather than seeing this new phase as a plan B - people may find her young to have detached from the structure of a big dance company - she is embracing this new journey and getting the best out of it despite the worldwide outbreak of COVID-19. I had the pleasure of catching up with her and talk about her new projects and experiences, friends, past and current insecurities and aspirations.  Due the interview being an online recording the sound quality is lower. Thank you for understanding and enjoy the listen!  - Jesse -  Instagram: @jessecallaert_ (
February 14, 2021
Christophe Dozzi [S1E03]
Christophe Dozzi (1976) danced in various leading contemporary companies around the world, such as Jeune Ballet de France, Ballet Zurich, Nederlands Dans Theater 2 & 1, and the Goteborg Danskompani In 2004, he started freelancing as a dancer and choreographer’s assistant, as well as a guest teacher in companies such as NDT, the Goteborg Danskompani, Wuppertal Dansteater Pina Bausch and the Forsythe Company…  I invited Christophe into my home - which by now is somewhat turned into a studio - for a deep conversation about topics that we don’t always take the time to reflect on, from the essence of classical ballet to the challenges of current contemporary choreographers.   - Jesse -   This interview was recorded respecting the current Covid-19 measures in The Netherlands.  Instagram: @jessecallaert_ (
February 07, 2021
Yoann and Marie Bourgeois [S1E02]
Yoann Bourgeois (1981) trained as a cirque artist and founded his own company about a decade ago made up of a collection of artists that create and perform a variety of movement based work. Wether the set consists of multiple trampolines, a turning, floating or suspended platform, a water tank or a table with chairs, Yoann has a poetic, intelligent, almost philosophical approach to movement theatre. It is all about the game and its rules. He has since then expanded his material beyond his own company, which resulted in seeing his work in an Apple AirPods commercial to creating a new piece for the Nederlands Dans Theater 2 and 1.   Marie Bourgeois has been working with Yoann for several years, both as a performance artist and as an assistant. She knows the 'ins and outs' of a creation process, grows with the work and feels like being on the outside - assisting Yoann - complements her abilities to contribute to the work.  I couldn't be more excited for this creative duo to have accepted my invitation to be on the podcast, and I'm thrilled to share their calm, intelligent and inspiring words with you.   - Jesse -  Instagram: @jessecallaert_ (
January 31, 2021
Sebastian Kristensen Haynes [S1E01]
Sebastian Kristensen Haynes (1994) is a Danish-American professional dancer who has danced with the Royal Danish Ballet for several years before joining Nederlands Dans Theater (NDT) for 3 years. NDT is one of the most prestigious contemporary dance companies is the world and holds an extremely high standard for all of its dancers. Now, Sebastian is moving on to a new chapter in his life, leaving life as a company dancer behind in order to challenge himself creatively and artistically. Instagram: @jessecallaert_ (
January 31, 2021
Fase II Fase, Season 1
Fase II Fase, hosted by Jesse Callaert (Nederlands Dans Theater) is a series of ongoing interviews with artists across multiple disciplines and art forms. Peek into the minds of creators and performers transitioning from one phase to another and learn about the insecurities, challenges and realities behind their art and passion.   While battling a world-wide pandemic, various lockdowns and restrictions, Jesse was lucky to be able to sit down and have some incredibly insightful, deep and sometimes funny conversations with friends and artists that inspire him.  If you enjoy the series, you can subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcast and anywhere else where you can listen to podcasts.
January 06, 2021