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Complex Identities: Understanding the Relationship between Jews and Christians

Complex Identities: Understanding the Relationship between Jews and Christians

By Juan Marcos Bejarano Gutierrez

The relationship between Jews and Christians is critical to Jewish identity and self understanding since Jewish life has been both negatively and positively impacted by Christianity. This podcast explores this topic by looking into the past with the hope of forging a positive understanding in the future.
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Is there an Alternate Approach to the Torah and Judaism for Christians?

Is there an Alternate Approach to the Torah and Judaism for Christians?

Can Christians appreciate the Torah for anything other than bolstering their understanding of the New Testament? It's a difficult question, but I believe that an impasse exists unless it can be achieved. Many Christians embrace the historical context of their faith but quickly dismiss the logical development of rabbinic thought as one of the legitimate streams of Second Temple Judaism. Unless the Torah and, by consequence, Judaism can be understood on its own terms, then a bias will always exist.

Apr 06, 202210:04
Am I Unfairly Characterizing Christians? I Don't Think So.

Am I Unfairly Characterizing Christians? I Don't Think So.

A recent listener objected to my podcast and suggested that I was unfairly characterizing all Christians in relation to negative attitudes towards the Torah and in some cases anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism. Have I done so? I explain why I don't believe that is the case and what the motivation for this podcast is.

Mar 23, 202208:22
The Ghost of Marcion and Christian Perspectives on the Torah

The Ghost of Marcion and Christian Perspectives on the Torah

In our previous episode, we discussed the odd fact that Marcion's complete disassociation of the New Testament with the God of the Hebrew Bible or "Old Testament" in Christian parlance actually left Judaism intact as it were. Christian theologians of the second century onward opted to retain the "Old Testament" as part of their canon but at a surprising cost to the Jewish people. Does contemporary Christianity offer a more positive approach to the fulfillment and continuing emphasis on the negation of the Torah?

Mar 21, 202209:21
Was Marcion More Favorably Disposed towards Judaism than Orthodox Christians?

Was Marcion More Favorably Disposed towards Judaism than Orthodox Christians?

For Marcion, the Christian God was completely distinct from the God of the Jews. A surprising result of Marcion’s radical position, strangely enough, is that they created such a division between Judaism and Christianity that the former was left intact with its understanding of the Divine, its sacred texts, and even its different interpretation of the Messiah. Oddly enough, Marcion’s views were much more “favorably’ disposed towards Judaism than those of "Orthodox Christians".

Mar 14, 202208:46
The Legends of Mexico, the Crucified Jewess, and the Problem of early Christianity and the Torah

The Legends of Mexico, the Crucified Jewess, and the Problem of early Christianity and the Torah

The early Christian movement in the 2nd century faced a problem. The idea of a relationship based apart from the Torah evolved into antagonism towards the Torah. This reality became exemplified and intensified in the ultimate battle over what was considered sacred Scripture. In this episode investigate this problem by first exploring a chilling legend included in an expected source.

Mar 07, 202210:51
Stirring the Fragile Images of the Past

Stirring the Fragile Images of the Past

A memory, the historian Neil Oliver writes, is precious but fragile. Any attempt to reexamine it is fraught with difficulties. Reaching out and touching it can destroy it, just like an outstretched hand touching a reflection in a pool of water. Doing so sends ripples far beyond the point of impact. The same is the case for reconsidering anti-Judaism in many Christian groups...

Mar 02, 202208:06
Michael Heiser, Supercessionism, the Fourth Century and the Monstrous Jew

Michael Heiser, Supercessionism, the Fourth Century and the Monstrous Jew

I reached out to Dr. Michael Heiser several years ago. He is a well-known author and a student of ancient biblical languages and near eastern history. During our friendly email exchange, I mentioned my inter-faith endeavors as a rabbi to address Christian anti-Semitism. His response was quite surprising and made me consider how extensive the problem is.

Feb 27, 202212:33
Russian Generals, Eastern Orthodoxy, Chabad, and Religious Similarities

Russian Generals, Eastern Orthodoxy, Chabad, and Religious Similarities

Fifteen Russian generals prayed at the cemetery in Lyubavichi, the town credited with the birthplace of Chabad. Why is this significant? The Eastern Churches, i.e. Greek, Ukrainian, Russian, Armenian, etc., have never embraced a reconsideration of supercessionism or replacement theology. The practice of praying at a gravesite is actually common to many Jews and Christians. Can this serve as a point of rapprochement? Can it spark a reconsideration of ancient views?
Feb 22, 202212:57
The Reality of Christian Anti-Judaism and Anti-Semitism

The Reality of Christian Anti-Judaism and Anti-Semitism

The reality of historic Christian ant-Judaism and anti-Semitism cannot be ignored or dismissed though it often is. As difficult as it is for most sincere Christians to acknowledge, elements of Christianity have generated and spread hatred of Jews. This is not a matter of personal opinion. It's something that academics, Jewish historians, and most importantly Christian historians and theologians have documented and admitted to their credit. Many Christians desire to rectify this great injustice.

Feb 21, 202209:08
The Problem with the "Old Testament"

The Problem with the "Old Testament"

The persistent use of the term “Old Testament” is a foremost source of the tension between the two communities. Interestingly, the extent to which the term is widespread can be seen how even in Jewish academic institutions, the term is often used perhaps begrudgingly. The continued use of the term simultaneously as the compulsion to convey the Old Testament's legitimacy in relation to the New Testament highlights the problem.Many might fail to see why the simple use of terms can be so problematic. Is this not merely a product of our current world that demands political correctness?

Feb 14, 202207:37
Jewish Bricks do not Necessarily Build a Jewish Home

Jewish Bricks do not Necessarily Build a Jewish Home

The scholar Gabriele Boccaccini has pointed out that Jewish bricks do not mean that the house itself is Jewish. I can think of no better instance than the Church’s incorporation of the Hebrew Bible and yet it’s adoption of so different a trajectory. My interpretation of Boccaccini’s approach is that Christianity is a Judaic system bereft of Jewishness resulting in severe consequences. Dr. Boccaccini understands classical Judaism and classical Christianity to draw from common sources, broad ones perhaps, but common, nonetheless.
Feb 09, 202209:38
Martin Buber's Tales of the Hasidim, Satan's Hasidim, and Christian Anti-Semitism

Martin Buber's Tales of the Hasidim, Satan's Hasidim, and Christian Anti-Semitism

In our previous episode, we discussed a critical passage in the New Testament that is typically viewed as anti-Jewish and anti-Semitism. I made mention of Martin Buber's Tales of the Hasidim and a specific story included that is titled "Satan's Hasidim." The story might provide a possible understanding of an alternative reading to passages in the New Testament and recenter the friction in the New Testament as an "intra-Jewish" debate much like the invectives at Qumran against the Pharisees. In the desire for intellectual honesty, I wanted to include this interesting text.

Feb 06, 202205:40
Rudolph Bultmann, Children of the Devil, Hispanics, & the Torah

Rudolph Bultmann, Children of the Devil, Hispanics, & the Torah

Rudolf Bultmann, a professor of the New Testament at the University of Marburg, like many theologians had a choice. He could alter his understanding of Jews and the Torah in light of having lived through the Shoah, i.e., the Holocaust, or he could continue as if nothing had happened. He believed that the Torah and the "Old Testament" were no longer meaningful to Christians in the same way they were for Jews. That might make sense, but his depiction of the Torah as the sinister foil to the gospel raises something very obvious. A Christian theologian can either address anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism, or they can make it worse. They can help navigate passages that are problematic in their faith tradition, or they can let them pass as if there is no issue.

Jan 31, 202208:40
Killing the Torah: The Crime of Legicide

Killing the Torah: The Crime of Legicide

The foundation for historic Christian anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism has been deicide, i.e., the charge that Jews killed G-d incarnate. But what about another perspective. Are Christians guilty of attempting to kill the foundation for Jewish identity? As we have noted, many Christians have acknowledged the tragic history and involvement of Christians in promulgating anti-Jewish sentiments. These should be applauded and recognized. One key area remains unaddressed for many - the Torah.

Jan 27, 202207:43
Antipathy for Judaism, Lloyd Gaston, and the Consequences of Supercessionism

Antipathy for Judaism, Lloyd Gaston, and the Consequences of Supercessionism

Before I began my academic in Jewish studies and my interest in Jewish-Christian dialogue, I witnessed antipathy towards Judaism by many Christians. It left me bewildered as to how individuals who purportedly claimed their faith was based on the Hebrew Bible and Jewish ideas could nevertheless maintain anti-Jewish biases. One scholar who helped me realized that not all Christians held such views.

Jan 26, 202211:15
Emotional Responses to Jewish and Christian Interactions, Lecha Dodi, and Heraclius

Emotional Responses to Jewish and Christian Interactions, Lecha Dodi, and Heraclius

The relationship between Jews and Christians includes historical and theological elements. It also includes an emotional aspect that most often surpasses the former. The emotions go both ways. For Jews there is a natural emotional reaction connected to historic Christian anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism. Many Christians, however, hold or retain very emotional responses to Judaism that are surprising to Jews.  In order to fully appreciate this relationship and the source of Christian anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism, this component must be recognized.

Jan 25, 202213:50
Anti-Semitism, Anti-Judaism, Grimm's Fairy Tales, and Christianity

Anti-Semitism, Anti-Judaism, Grimm's Fairy Tales, and Christianity

This is the first episode of our second season. We now turn our attention to the topic of anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism in Christianity. Most Christians would never consider themselves as holding anti-Semitic views. But anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish views often exist in latent form and in the most unexpected places.

Jan 24, 202210:37
The Intersection of Jews and Christians on a Journey

The Intersection of Jews and Christians on a Journey

As the rabbi of two small communities, I interact with a wide range of individuals. While the communities are small, there are always visitors. Some are Christians or former Christians moving towards Judaism. Some are Jews who for various reasons embraced Christianity. Both types of individuals often include those with less than glowing views of their former faiths and communities. They often express disdain, anger, and even hatred for their former co-religionist. This podcast, in part, is intended for them with the goal of fostering better relationships between both worlds. This is the end of season one. Continue the journey with me in season two.

Jan 21, 202205:40
The Bifurcation of God and the Alternative Approach Taken

The Bifurcation of God and the Alternative Approach Taken

The Clementine Recognitions and the Clementine Homilies in particular embraced a very different Christology than that of emerging Christian Orthodoxy. The bifurcation of God has been argued to have reflected a more authentic and ancient Jewish approach to the question of Christology. The Recognitions and the Homilies reveal however that while "binitarianism" may have been a valid description of various nascent "Christian" groups, it did not imply a singular approach to this issue. 

Jan 19, 202207:05
Two Powers in Heaven and the Clementine Literature

Two Powers in Heaven and the Clementine Literature

The Clementine literature represents many intriguing perspectives on several key ideas that were contrary to the orthodoxy of Christianity in the third and fourth centuries. The Talmud records debates regarding Reshuyot, i.e., Two Powers in Heaven, and many of these occurrences may reflect the perspectives of groups that supported the messianic claims of Jesus and perhaps were in some form connected to communities similar to the those that authored the Clementine literature.

Jan 10, 202207:20
Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague and the Man-God

Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague and the Man-God

At the request of a listener, in this episode we briefly review something I mentioned previously but did not elaborate on. The Maharal's  interpretation of Psalm 90 may provide us some sense of how the Clementine Literature derived its unique christology. The Maharal's view are interestingly similar to those of Philo of Alexandria. The Maharal's views do not imply Moses' equivalence to God, but do recognize his elevated status.

Jan 03, 202205:07
The Exalted Moses

The Exalted Moses

The Maharal, i.e., Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague, commented on Psalm 90 and the inclusion of the phrase "ish-Elohim". The Maharal's views are interesting and in many ways parallel the views of literature the Second Temple Judaism including the Wisdom of Sirach, the Testament of Moses, and the Exagoge of Ezekiel. This may help us understand the perspectives of Clementine Literature and its unique christology.

Dec 31, 202105:52
Exalted Patriarchs as a Potential Influence on the Clementine Homilies

Exalted Patriarchs as a Potential Influence on the Clementine Homilies

How did the Clementines Homilies and the Clementines Recognitions to a lesser extent, adopt very different christologies than emerging Christian orthodoxy of  their day? The answer, besides possibly relying on a unique tradition dating back to previous centuries, may lie in their approach to texts addressing exalted figures in Second Temple literature.

Dec 29, 202110:09
How did the Clementine Literature Develop its Unique Christology?

How did the Clementine Literature Develop its Unique Christology?

The Clementine Homilies adopted a Christology that was opposed to the emerging Christian orthodoxy of its day. Why did it adopt such a view? From the perspective of the author, they looked to a chain of tradition which ultimately dated back to the first century. Whether we accept this or not, an alternative should also be considered. Alternative understandings of texts may have been sufficient to provide the community and the author behind the Homilies with the ability to construct their Christology.

Dec 27, 202105:43
The True Prophet as the Primary Role of the Messiah

The True Prophet as the Primary Role of the Messiah

The Clementine Homilies adopt a perspective that is radically different from emerging Christian orthodoxy. The Homilies focus on the role of the True Prophet as the primary role of the Messiah. His role is to properly interpret the Torah but it also to draw non-Jews to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Clementine Homilies rejects the perspectives of emerging Christian orthodoxy at least in its creedal forms.

Dec 23, 202108:15
Alternative Christologies, Exalted Patriachs, and the Clementines

Alternative Christologies, Exalted Patriachs, and the Clementines

By now, its clear that the Clementines do not embrace many of the critical points associated with traditional Christian theology. There are undoubtedly points of contact and in the case of the Clementine Recognitions a suprising acceptance of a key facet of Christian thought. Nevertheless, the Clementines differ sufficiently in yet another area for us to address. This is the area of Christology. In order to tackle this we will have to trek throught the complicated world of alternative Christologies to hopefully understand why the Clementines hold their unique view.

Dec 21, 202108:08
The Clementine Literature and the God of the Jews

The Clementine Literature and the God of the Jews

Despite the differences in the Clementine literature, they remain united on the validity of the Torah revealed to the Jewish people. Not only does this support the Torah's continuing importance for Jews and non-Jews who embraced this messianic movement. It also validates the continuation of Jewish identity. Hence the Homilies states, "As the we know that there is only one who has made the heavens and the earth, the God of the Jews..."

Dec 21, 202110:07
The Clementine Recognitions and the Problem of Gentiles

The Clementine Recognitions and the Problem of Gentiles

We continue our review of the Clementine Recognitions. Despite some suprises, this text embraces a continuation of Torah observance for Jews and non-Jews to some extent. The non-Jews, however, represent a complicated issue for the author of this community. Their inclusion into this movement is necessary but has also causes  chaos to arise. 

Dec 20, 202107:33
An Unexpected Turn: The Clementine Recognitions

An Unexpected Turn: The Clementine Recognitions

There are two primary texts that form the core of the Clementine literature. The first is the Homilies. The second is the Recognitions. The two texts have much in agreement, but there are also significant differences. The Homilies rejects contemporary christological views that emphasize divine equivalence. The Recognitions in contrast adopt a more classical Christian approach at least on the surface. Does this imply a division between the original community that authored the Homilies?

Dec 19, 202105:42
Two Paths that are Equally Legitimate

Two Paths that are Equally Legitimate

The Clementine Homilies embrace a surprisingly pluralistic approach to faith. Moses and Jesus are both legitimate teachers. If one does not accept the other, but adheres to one, they are not necessarily condemned. A key caveat is the lack of animus towards the other. Furthermore, a consistent and enduring commitment to the Torah or the teachings of Jesus, from the perspectives of the Homilies, is the ultimate arbiter of true faith.

Dec 14, 202105:09
Tolerance & Respect: A Revolutionary Approach to Jews and non-Jews in the Homilies

Tolerance & Respect: A Revolutionary Approach to Jews and non-Jews in the Homilies

The Homilies have already shown several radical points on simply the continuing validity of Torah observance for Jews, but also show an expectatio non-Jews should observe many facets of the Torah. The Homilies also provides a radical expectation of tolerance and respect between Jews who did not embrace the messianic claims of the Homilies and those who did. Moses and Jesus are seen as two separate paths revealing to Jews and non-Jews the divine plan and hence faithful adherence to one, demands respect by the other side.

Dec 13, 202109:48
The Radical Theological Views of the Homilies

The Radical Theological Views of the Homilies

The Clementine Homilies have already shown radically different perspectives on the Torah and its observance among Jews and Gentiles. This view is surprising in a text that scholars generally characterize as Christian. In this episode we discover several other theological views in the Homilies which likely responded to emerging Christian orthodoxy in late antiquity. 

Dec 12, 202108:10
The Homilies: Rejecting Outside Influences on the Torah

The Homilies: Rejecting Outside Influences on the Torah

The Clementine Homilies adopt the radical perspective of arguing for an oral tradition that correctly interprets the written Torah. The Homilies warn against external influences that confuse the Torah's true meaning. This statement may likely be directed against contemporary Christian groups that had increasingly become anti-Torah and anti-Jewish. The Clementine literature stands alone in the world of literature we can designate as Christian in embracing such a view, revealing its clear Jewish perspectives once again.

Dec 07, 202105:25
The Homilies and the Importance of the Oral Transmission of the Torah

The Homilies and the Importance of the Oral Transmission of the Torah

The Clementine Homilies alter our expectations radically regarding what to expect from a group that is generally described as Christian. The Homilies sees the oral transmission of the Torah is actually more important than the written text. The written Torah can only be understood by a "tradition" that illuminates and effectively corrects the text. Its a radical approach which in many ways parallels similiar approaches in rabbinic circles.

Dec 06, 202108:04
The Homilies: Simon Magus, an Oral Torah, Textual Corruption, and the Temple

The Homilies: Simon Magus, an Oral Torah, Textual Corruption, and the Temple

In this episode, we continue our trek through the Clementine Homilies by briefly discussing Simon Magus. He appears in the canonical book of Acts. In the Homilies, he appears as a principal opponent of the community behind the Clementine Homilies. Simon appears to be combination of Marcionite and Pauline thought as understood by the author of the Homilies. In response, the Homilies introduces the concept of the oral transmission of the Torah, textual corruption, and a startingly view of the sacrifices and the Temple.

Dec 05, 202107:42
The Clementine Homilies, Gentiles, and the Torah

The Clementine Homilies, Gentiles, and the Torah

The Clementine Homilies take a very interesting approach to non-Jews or Gentiles. To free themselves from demonic influence, non-Jews can undergo tevilah, i.e., immersion, and are expected commandments of the Torah that relate to them.

Dec 03, 202105:09
What's so Special about the Clementine Homilies?

What's so Special about the Clementine Homilies?

The Clementine Homilies reveal a very unique and fascinating community in antiquity. The Clementine Homilies see the world very simply. There are Jews and there are pagans. Jews are given the Torah and are immune to demonic forces if they are observant. Pagans are subject to the world of the demonic until they make a choice. 

Dec 01, 202107:04
Against the Grain: The Clementine Literature and the Curious Community Behind It

Against the Grain: The Clementine Literature and the Curious Community Behind It

The last two episodes focused on the question "What is a Judaism?" We discovered two perspectives on this issue. We now turn our attention to a fascinating community that in many ways challenges our assumptions about Jewish and Christian identity. We begin to consider the Clementine Literature and the high unusual perspectives it maintained which differed sharply from emerging orthodox Christianity and maintained or borrowed theological ideas from the rabbinic Jewish community.

Dec 01, 202108:13
What is a Judaism? Part 2

What is a Judaism? Part 2

This is a continuation of our discussion on “What is a Judaism?” In the second temple. And in the early centuries of the Common Era. Here we look at the views of Lawrence Schiffman, Martin Jaffee, Shaye Cohen and others.
Nov 28, 202109:11
What is a Judaism? Part 1

What is a Judaism? Part 1

What is a Judaism? Did the early adherents of the Jesus movement meet the requirements of a Judaism? Well of course, it depends who you ask. Rabbi Jacob Neusner gives us an interesting definition. Dr. Shaye Cohen provides us with additional insight. This is part 1 of this fascinating discussion.

Nov 26, 202111:34
The Hebrews and Hellenists: Major Dividing Lines

The Hebrews and Hellenists: Major Dividing Lines

Chanukah is fast approaching as I record this episode. We're all familiar with the Maccabees fighting the Seleucids over forced Hellenization, but how many of us remember that the dividing lines were also between Jews who adopted Hellenism and those who opposed it. Within a generation, even descendants of the Maccabees had Greek names. We can see this dividing line in the New Testament itself between Hebrews and Hellenists and this friction may represent a key to understanding the divergent paths which may have eventually contributed to the rise of Christianity we know in later centuries.

Nov 24, 202108:05
Why does a Rabbi talk so much about this?

Why does a Rabbi talk so much about this?

It seems strange to many people that a rabbi spends so much time speaking about the complex relationship between Judaism and Christianity. There is a reason for this and it explains why I have so much passion in helping others understand this issue.

Nov 23, 202112:10
Many Judaisms? Many Christianities?

Many Judaisms? Many Christianities?

In our previous episode we began a discussion on several groups that appear to have occupied the middle ground along the continuum of groups we define todayas Jewish or Christian. We start by trying to understand why these groups may have embraced unique theological views. For example, whether they were linked to the first century community that embraced the messianic claims of Jesus or not, why did they hold certain views that stood in opposition to the perspectives of emerging orthodox Christianity? Why did they some hold views that appear very much connected to rabbinic perspectives, but completely different in other areas.

Nov 21, 202108:32
Christians Observing Jewish Practices

Christians Observing Jewish Practices

As we review the complex identities of the Christianity and Judaism in Late Antiquity we find various Christian groups that continued to observe distinctly Jewish practices, i.e., abstaining from blood, purchasing meat from kosher butchers, observing the Sabbath, etc. This highlights a much closer relationship by some to certain quarters of the Jewish community. This also causes to consider how we understand the boundaries of Jewish self definition at a time that most scholars now charactertize as much more dynamic than once imagined.
Nov 18, 202119:12
Groups Defying Boundaries

Groups Defying Boundaries

In this episode we begin the process of reviewing various groups in the second, third, and fourth centuries that espoused what we identify as Christian elements also maintained clear connections to ideas and practices we generally recognize as Jewish. Of course, what we mean by Jewish is nowadays a subject of great debate. These groups defied the theoretical boundaries set by emerging Christian and Rabbinic circles.

Nov 17, 202111:54
Finding the Voice of Lost Communities

Finding the Voice of Lost Communities

A historical approach to religious identity can be unsettling for many. Religious discussions can easily become emotionally biased with a set of theological presuppositions. A historical approach allows us to analyze each text and community on its own terms and find the voices of the lost communities often marginalized previously.
Nov 16, 202107:57
The Problem of Terminology

The Problem of Terminology

What do we mean by Christianity or Judaism when we use these terms? Theological suppositions often cloud our study. Many people often assume that what they see in the 21st century reflects the exact same practices of either group in antiquity. A religious historian's goal, however is to go beyond assumptions and uncover the past. We explore this in our latest pod cast episode.

Nov 15, 202108:04
Too Close for Comfort

Too Close for Comfort

The closeness of Christians to Jews in the early centuries of the Common Era was troubling to the nascent Church Fathers. They repeatedly speak out against it because they understood that many Christians saw Jews in a very different light than what the emerging church was promoting.
Nov 14, 202105:21
How important was the Birkat HaMinim?

How important was the Birkat HaMinim?

Does the Birkat Haminim really show the Break between Jews and Christians? Did its adoption point to a definitive break between both communities?
Nov 12, 202107:13
The Limits of Rabbinic Authority in Antiquity

The Limits of Rabbinic Authority in Antiquity

The limits of rabbinic authority in antiquity are critical to our discussion on the relationship between emerging Jewish and Christian identities. The rabbinic class undoubtedly had influence and even power, but it tempered by a number of factors that are important to consider in how we understand the differences and boundaries between both communities.

Nov 11, 202109:25