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The Julia La Roche Show

By Julia La Roche

Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.
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#049 You're Going To Be Working Until You're 85 Or 90 | Ric Edelman

The Julia La Roche ShowJan 24, 2023

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#163 Professor Scott Galloway: We're Turning Into Something That's Not Very American

#163 Professor Scott Galloway: We're Turning Into Something That's Not Very American

Scott Galloway, Professor of Marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, returns to the pod to join Julia La Roche on episode 163 to discuss his newest book, “The Algebra of Wealth: A Simple Formula for Financial Security.” 


The Algebra of Wealth book: https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Wealth-Formula-Financial-Security/dp/0593714024



0:00 Intro and welcome Scott Galloway 

1:04 Macro picture of the economy 

3:03 Prosperity is not evenly distributed generationally 

5:32 The Algebra of Wealth 

7:30 Don’t follow your passion, follow your talent 

9:20 Focus + Stoicism x Time x Diversification 

9:56 Galloway went broke twice 

12:25 Divorce 

13:30 Having children 

15:35 Myth of balance 

17:00 Raised by a single mom 

21:00 We’re turning into something that’s not very American 

25:31 Investing and harvesting 

27:00 Our economic policy is we’ve declared war on the young 

24:47 Universities, free speech, and antisemitism on campuses 

32:32 DEI 

38:15 Masculinity 

50:00 Parting thoughts

Apr 23, 202451:05
#162 Keith Fitz-Gerald, Investor Who Nailed 2023 Market Rally, Says The Fed Doesn’t Matter — Investing In Optimism Does

#162 Keith Fitz-Gerald, Investor Who Nailed 2023 Market Rally, Says The Fed Doesn’t Matter — Investing In Optimism Does

Keith Fitz-Gerald, principal of the Fitz-Gerald Group, shares his macro view of the world and the five big picture lenses through which he sees the world.


He believes that investing in optimism and knowing where the world is going is better than trying to be right at specific moments in time. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on companies that have great demand for their products and services and can change consumer behavior. Keith also discusses the role of the Fed and the importance of investing in optimism rather than trying to second-guess the unpredictable actions of the Fed.


Link: https://www.keithfitz-gerald.com/



00:00 Introduction and welcome Keith to the show

0:53 Simple is better

1:50 The five Ds

2:50 Does the Fed matter? 

5:30 The AI Opportunity and Changing the World

8:22 Keith Fitz-Gerald’s S&P 4750 target in 2023 

10:50 Buying right now — chaos creates opportunity 

13:00 History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes 

14:00 Geopolitics and markets 

15:55 When in doubt, zoom out 

17:13 Portfolio construction 

19:03 Took out S&P 500 price target, 5500-5600 may be next stop

20:20 The Fed needs to stay on sidelines 

22:40 Are markets healthy? 

26:00 Outlook for the U.S. 

26:50 Gold 

29:20 Parting thoughts

Apr 18, 202431:04
#161 Michael Howell On Global Liquidity, A Re-entry Point For Risk Assets, Monetary Inflation, Gold, The US Dollar

#161 Michael Howell On Global Liquidity, A Re-entry Point For Risk Assets, Monetary Inflation, Gold, The US Dollar

Michael Howell, CEO of CrossBorder Capital, an investment advisory firm, and author of the book, “Capital Wars: The Rise Of Global Liquidity,” returns to The Julia La Roche for episode 161 to discuss the global liquidity cycle and its impact on the economy. 


He explains that liquidity is a key driver of asset prices and that the current liquidity cycle is pushing asset prices higher. Howell argues that the focus on interest rates and policy rates is misplaced, and that the long-term rate and liquidity are more important factors. He also highlights the importance of liquidity in the refinancing of debt and warns of the risks of a liquidity shortage. Howell suggests that investors should consider assets like gold, cryptocurrencies, and solid companies on Wall Street as hedges against monetary inflation.



Links: 

Website: http://www.crossbordercapital.com/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/crossbordercap

Substack: https://capitalwars.substack.com/

Book: https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Wars-Rise-Global-Liquidity/dp/3030392902


Takeaways

  • Liquidity is a key driver of asset prices and the current liquidity cycle is pushing asset prices higher.
  • The focus on interest rates and policy rates is misplaced; the long-term rate and liquidity are more important factors.
  • A shortage of liquidity can lead to banking and refinancing crises.
  • Investors should consider assets like gold, cryptocurrencies, and solid companies on Wall Street as hedges against monetary inflation.


Timestamps: 

00:00 Introduction 

1:38 Macro view + liquidity cycle 

3:07 Interest rates 

6:10 What really matters is the integrity of the US Treasury market 

07:47 Hedging Against Monetary Inflation

9:16 Gold

11:56 US public debt 

15:15 Monetizing the debt 

18:06 Gold is the pole star in the financial system

20:40 US dollar

26:29 Inverted yield curve

31:37 Conclusion and parting thoughts

Apr 16, 202435:22
#160 Bill Fleckenstein: The Fed Is Trapped And Unable To Fight Inflation

#160 Bill Fleckenstein: The Fed Is Trapped And Unable To Fight Inflation

Bill Fleckenstein, president and founder of Fleckenstein Capital, discusses the macro view of the world and the impact of the Federal Reserve's monetary policies. 


He criticizes the Fed for its incompetence and reckless policies that have led to the creation of two huge bubbles and misallocated capital. 


Fleckenstein also highlights the power of the passive bid in distorting the market and the importance of understanding its effects. He believes that the stock market has become a lagging indicator and that the Fed is trapped and unable to fight inflation. 


Elsewhere, Fleckenstein discusses the bond market, gold, and silver.  He also expresses concerns about the US national debt and the lack of fiscal responsibility.


Links: 

Book: https://www.amazon.com/Greenspans-Bubbles-Ignorance-Federal-Reserve/dp/0071591583

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/fleckcap

Website:https://www.fleckensteincapital.com/


Takeaways

  • The Federal Reserve's incompetence and reckless policies have led to the creation of two huge bubbles and misallocated capital.
  • The passive bid, driven by defined contribution plans and 401k plans, has distorted the market and changed what works and what doesn't.
  • The stock market has become a lagging indicator, and the Fed is trapped and unable to fight inflation.
  • The US national debt is a significant concern, and there is a lack of fiscal responsibility.
  • Gold and silver are seen as insurance policies against inflation and financial disruptions.


Chapters

0:00 Introduction and welcome Bill Fleckenstein

0:55 Macro view and what the Fed does really matters

4:30 The distorting effects of the passive bid

6:30 The stock market is a lagging indicator 

10:45 Equity markets in a bubble or not? 

13:30 End game — long end of the bond market rates rise

18:26 Inflation and the inflation psychology  

23:53 The Fed’s inflation fight, Fed cutting rates would be an obvious mistake

26:30 The economy and millennials 

29:49 Gold price, gold market has figured out Fed is trapped 

34:44 Silver

37:04 Outlook on the U.S. and conclusion

Apr 11, 202443:43
#159 Lyn Alden On Fiscal Dominance Macro Backdrop, Why The Rise In Gold Is Indicative Of Fiscal Problems, And Why Bitcoin Could Hit Six-Figures In This Cycle

#159 Lyn Alden On Fiscal Dominance Macro Backdrop, Why The Rise In Gold Is Indicative Of Fiscal Problems, And Why Bitcoin Could Hit Six-Figures In This Cycle

Investment researcher and macroeconomic analyst Lyn Alden, founder of Lyn Alden Investment Strategy, joins Julia La Roche on episode 159 to discuss the macro view of the economy, focusing on fiscal dominance. 

Alden highlights the wide performance gaps between sectors, which are influenced by fiscal and monetary policies. She discusses the implications of fiscal dominance and the challenges it poses for the Fed's tools to control inflation. 

Alden also shares her insights on asset markets, including the rise of gold, Bitcoin, and undervalued energy stocks.


Links: 

https://www.lynalden.com/

https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Money-Financial-System-Failing/dp/B0CG83QBJ6

https://twitter.com/LynAldenContact


00:00 Introduction and overview

01:16 Fiscal dominance and its impact sectors

04:37 Fiscal dominance, explained 

09:37 Higher highs, higher lows of inflations in 2020s

12:20 Ironically stimulative 

16:18 Assessment of the economy, is it healthy? 

18:53 Asset markets, rise in gold is indicative of fiscal problems 

22:00 undervalued energy stocks and their catalysts

25:33 Insights on Bitcoin, its performance, why it could hit six-figures in next two years

30:17 Conclusion and parting thoughts

Apr 09, 202432:49
#158 Larry McDonald: We’re Entering A Sustained Inflation Regime, Why Trillions Of Dollars Are Currently Misallocated, And The Opportunity Right Now In Hard Assets

#158 Larry McDonald: We’re Entering A Sustained Inflation Regime, Why Trillions Of Dollars Are Currently Misallocated, And The Opportunity Right Now In Hard Assets

New York Times’ bestselling author Larry McDonald, founder of The Bear Traps Report, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to discuss his newest book, “How To Listen When Markets Speak: Risks, Myths, and Investment Opportunities in a Radically Reshaped Economy.”

According to McDonald, we’re in the financial equivalent of the “Fourth Turning,” where the macro regime has shifted from a disinflationary, austerity-driven world to a new era of sustained inflation and increased demand for hard assets. As such, trillions of dollars of assets are currently misallocated. 

McDonald highlights the potential for a colossal energy and commodity crisis in the coming years, driven by factors such as the aging power grid, global conflicts, and rising carbon consumption in developing countries. He suggests reallocating portfolios to include a higher component of commodities.


Links: 

How To Listen When Markets Speak: https://www.amazon.com/Listen-When-Markets-Speak-Opportunities-ebook/dp/B0C4DFVFNR

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Convertbond

Bear Traps Report: https://www.thebeartrapsreport.com/


00:00 Introduction and welcome Larry McDonald 

01:21 The macro outlook and the shift to a new era

06:00 A different macro regime, great migration into a totally different portfolio construction

09:05 Inflation

11:53 Trillions are misallocated 

16:00 Recency bias

20:23 Early innings in commodities 

22:00 Headed for a colossal commodities crisis 

26:57 Bitcoin, gold, and silver 

31:50 Closing remarks

Apr 04, 202434:35
#157 Dr. Gary Shilling On The Hidden Flaws In The Economy

#157 Dr. Gary Shilling On The Hidden Flaws In The Economy

Dr. A. Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co., an economic consulting firm and a registered investment advisor, joins Julia La Roche on episode 157 for a wide-ranging conversation on the economy. 

In this episode, Dr. Shilling discusses the current economic picture, including the possibility of a soft landing and signs of a potential recession. He highlights the narrowing focus of the stock market and the amount of speculation in certain areas. Dr. Schilling also discusses the labor market, the Federal Reserve's interest rate policy, and the impact of inflation on interest rates. 

Elsewhere, he shares his investment themes, including the US dollar and the preference for US Treasuries. Dr. Shilling addresses the debt situation in the US. He also points to the risks in commercial real estate. 

He concludes by emphasizing the importance of finding hidden flaws and going against the consensus in making investment decisions.

You can Access Dr. Shilling's monthly newsletter INSIGHT by calling this toll-free number (1-888-346-7444) or visiting his website (https://www.agaryshilling.com/).



00:00 Introduction and welcome Dr. Shilling

01:01 Current macro picture, economy isn’t looking like it’s going into a major recession

06:21 Not a healthy economy, highly dependent on labor market and employment

07:07 Federal Reserve and interest rate policy

10:09 Consumer bifurcation

11:35 Interest rates

17:40 Hidden flaws 

21:00 Investment themes

25:35 US Treasuries 

27:26 Debt situation in the US

32:12 Bubble on the radar? Commercial real estate 

36:42 Conclusion

Apr 02, 202438:19
#156 Tom McClellan On Why The Recession Is Still Coming And Why The Second Half Of 2024 Could Be Unpleasant For Stocks

#156 Tom McClellan On Why The Recession Is Still Coming And Why The Second Half Of 2024 Could Be Unpleasant For Stocks

Tom McClellan, editor of The McClellan Market Report and a prominent figure in stock market and technical analysis, joins Julia La Roche on episode 156. 


In this episode, Tom shares his views on the economy and markets in a presentation of charts, from the message crude oil prices send stocks to the Presidential Cycle Pattern and, of course, the famed McClellan Oscillator. 
Tom explains why a recession is still coming. He also explains why the second half of 2024 could be an unpleasant time for stocks, but we haven't seen the inflection point yet.


Tom is the son of Sherman and Marian McClellan, who are recognized for creating the McClellan Oscillator and Summation Index in 1969. 


Tom McClellan has done extensive analytical spreadsheet development for the stock and commodities markets, including the synthesizing of the four-year Presidential Cycle Pattern. 


He graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and served as an Army helicopter pilot for 11 years. 


Links: 

https://www.mcoscillator.com/

https://twitter.com/McClellanOsc


0:00 Intro and welcome Tom McClellan 

0:55 Macro view 

1:41 Only 2 fundamentals matter for stocks 

2:45 Recession is coming 

4:25 Inverted yield curve and corporate profits 

5:54 Crude oil prices message to stocks 

8:00 Stock market and expectation of a top in June 

10:57 McClellan Oscillator 

13:20 Presidential Cycle Patterns 

15:20 Taxes could be a problem 

20:56 Fed Funds Target Rate — staying too tight for too long 

25:30 Recession call 

27:27 McClellan Oscillator — neither bulls nor bears are in charge

29:50 Markets driven by high-flying tech names, people feeling twitchy 

35:05 Gold 

37:00 Bitcoin

38:20 The McClellan Oscillator origin story 

44:00 Parting thoughts

Mar 27, 202445:54
#155 Meredith Whitney On The 'Bifurcated' Economy And Consumer, Why It Will 'Pay To Be Patient' For Young Homebuyers, And The Coming 'Silver Tsunami'

#155 Meredith Whitney On The 'Bifurcated' Economy And Consumer, Why It Will 'Pay To Be Patient' For Young Homebuyers, And The Coming 'Silver Tsunami'

Meredith Whitney, CEO of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group, discusses the state of the US economy and the consumer. 


Last year, she did not expect a recession because of the strong consumer. Today, she describes the economy as “bifurcated” because higher-earning households are driving consumer spending. 


Whitney also explores the housing market and predicts a supply glut that will lead to a decline in home prices, making it more affordable for younger generations. She delves into the demographic changes and challenges posed by an aging population, particularly in terms of long-term care and housing. 


Whitney also addresses the fiscal position of states and the nation, emphasizing the need for a balanced budget and the potential risks of relying on foreign buyers for debt.


Links: 

https://meredithwhitneyllc.com/


Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction 

01:05 Macro view, bifurcated consumer

04:19 Sentiment 

05:58 Housing market and homeownership

09:21 Timeline for home prices

10:38 Demographic changes and solutions

12:31 Demographic trends and aging Americans

20:31 National debt and foreign buyers

22:46 Possibility of a balanced budget

23:44 Fear and impact of research calls

32:11 Meredith Whitney Advisory Group

Mar 26, 202434:08
#154 Dr. Art Laffer: We Are In The Middle Of A Massive Redistribution Revolution And It's Destroying Growth

#154 Dr. Art Laffer: We Are In The Middle Of A Massive Redistribution Revolution And It's Destroying Growth

Dr. Art Laffer, one of the most influential economists of the past half-century, joins Julia La Roche for episode 154.

Dr. Laffer is the founder and chairman of Laffer Associates, an economic research and consulting firm. Known as the "Father of Supply Economics," he is famous for developing the Laffer Curve, a representation of the relationship between tax rates and tax revenue that was foundational to supply-side economics.

Dr. Laffer served as a member of President Reagan's Economic Policy Advisory Board for both of Reagan's terms.

In our wide-ranging discussion, Dr. Laffer shares his insights on the current state of the U.S. and global economy, fiscal and monetary policy, and his outlook for the future.


Links:

https://www.amazon.com/Taxes-Have-Consequences-Income-History/dp/1637585640

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Overview

01:08 The Five Pillars of Prosperity

11:13 Factors Leading to the Current Situation

26:08 Addressing Incentives in Politics

30:41 The Flawed Logic of Stimulus Spending

35:17 The Fallacy of Redistribution

37:38 The Impact of Tariffs and Trade Policies

38:04 The Lack of Economic Understanding Among Professional Economists

39:02 The Laffer Curve and Tax Rates

40:19 The Role of Private Money in the Economy

44:34 The Possibility of a Low, Broad-Based Flat Tax Rate

50:25 The Failure of Government-Controlled Money

54:30 Assessment of the Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy

57:23 The Importance of Economic Principles over Political Labels

01:01:50 Future Topics: Medical Transparency, Debt, Enterprise Zones, and Climate Change

Mar 21, 202401:04:40
#153 Amy Nixon On Inflation Running Hot And Pivoting On The Deflationary Recession Call 

#153 Amy Nixon On Inflation Running Hot And Pivoting On The Deflationary Recession Call 

Amy Nixon, a housing and economic analyst, makes her first podcast appearance in six months after making a pivot on her deflationary recession call. 


In his episode, Amy discusses the current macroeconomic environment and the challenges it presents. She highlights the combination of tight monetary policy and loose fiscal policy as a significant factor in the economy. 


Amy shares her experience of adapting her forecasts and expectations based on changing market conditions. 


She also discusses the state of the housing market, the impact of institutional buyers, and the future of real estate agents. Amy addresses the concerns of millennials in the housing market and offers insights into owning a home as an investment. 


Links: 

https://twitter.com/texasrunnerDFW


Takeaways

  • The combination of tight monetary policy and loose fiscal policy is a significant factor in the current macroeconomic environment.
  • Adapting forecasts and expectations based on changing market conditions is crucial for accurate analysis.
  • The housing market is facing challenges due to tight credit, low transaction volume, and high liquidity.
  • Owning a home as an investment can be beneficial for wealth building, especially for individuals without much investment knowledge.
  • The future of the economy is influenced by factors such as inflation, political decisions, and market dynamics.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction and macro view of the economy

01:18 Tight monetary policy and loose fiscal policy

03:15 The importance of admitting mistakes and analyzing new data

04:12 Adapting forecasts and expectations for 2023 and 2024

04:23 The impact of changing analysis on housing market

09:46 The state of the housing sector

12:38 The impact of institutional buyers on the housing market

21:15 The housing market and Millennials

25:21 Owning a home as an investment

26:03 The Airbnb bust thesis

32:06 Inflation and the future of the economy

Mar 19, 202436:13
#152 Brian Hirschmann: This Is Probably The Most Dangerous Time In US Financial History

#152 Brian Hirschmann: This Is Probably The Most Dangerous Time In US Financial History

Value investor Brian Hirschmann, managing partner of hedge fund Hirschmann Capital, makes his debut on episode 152 of The Julia La Roche Show.


In this episode, Hirschmann argues that we're currently in the most dangerous time in financial history and that three bubbles—stocks, real estate, and global bonds—could all burst.


Hirschmann also makes the case that we'll likely see more persistent inflation in the future, given the massive deficits and debt burden. He argues that the price of gold could soar to $7,000.


For investments, he favors gold miners and exposure to international equities.


Links: https://www.hcapital.llc/


00:00 Introduction and Macro View of the Economy

00:43 Dangerous Time in US Financial History

03:08 Consequences of Crisis Suppression Policy

04:35 US Equity and Real Estate Bubbles

06:27 Government Debt Problem

08:20 Global Government Debt Crisis

09:47 Government Debt Crisis and Private Sector Recession

11:03 Gold's Performance and Market Environment

13:13 Factors Affecting Gold's Valuation

19:36 Fed Policy and Fiscal Dominance

23:39 Impact of Fiscal Dominance on Gold

27:26 Investing in Gold Mining Companies

31:53 Impact of Bubbles Bursting

35:36 Potential Impacts of Recession

40:10 Likelihood of Recession

44:21 Closing Remarks

Mar 13, 202447:02
#151 Whitney Tilson On The Mistake Of Predicting Doom And Gloom

#151 Whitney Tilson On The Mistake Of Predicting Doom And Gloom

Former hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson, now Editor at Stansberry Research, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for a wide-ranging discussion on the economy, markets, and common mistakes investors make. 

Whitney discusses the strength of the macro picture and the importance of not betting against America. 

In this conversation, Whitney shares stock picks, reflects on missed opportunities, and discusses the importance of letting winners run. He also talks about closing his hedge fund, lessons learned, and the wisdom he gained from the late Charlie Munger. 

Tilson emphasizes the need for patience and discipline in investing and highlights the five calamities that can derail a successful life.


Links: 

Stansberry Research: https://stansberryresearch.com/our-team/whitney-tilson

The Art of Playing Defense: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Playing-Defense-Falling-Behind-ebook/dp/B091QFHJ6B



Timestamps 

00:00 Introduction

00:55 Big picture view of the economy and markets 

02:43 Caution against letting politics influence investment decisions

03:38 The mistake of predicting gloom and doom

05:24 Betting against America doesn’t make sense 

06:59 There are warning flags, but stocks aren’t in bubble territory 

8:10 Bitcoin smells frothy, but ‘I would never short it’ 

09:22 Stock Picks: Berkshire Hathaway, Meta, and other opportunities

10:02 Bitcoin is an instrument of pure speculation 

15:56 Stock pick ideas - Berkshire Hathaway, Meta, etc.

21:26 Introduction to Warren Buffett and value investing

26:48 Stock exchanges as interesting investment opportunities

29:08 Lessons from missed opportunities

36:07 The importance of letting winners run

38:50 Reflecting on closing the hedge fund, mental mistakes investors make

43:48 Running a Hedge Fund with Patience and Discipline

46:13 Charlie Munger's legacy

50:06 The Art of Playing Defense

Mar 12, 202453:09
#150 Alfonso Peccatiello On The Risk of a Global Recession Triggered by China's Deleveraging And The Spillover Effects Not Many Are Paying Attention To

#150 Alfonso Peccatiello On The Risk of a Global Recession Triggered by China's Deleveraging And The Spillover Effects Not Many Are Paying Attention To

Alfonso Peccatiello, founder of the Macro Compass, discusses the macro view of the current market and investor expectations. 

He challenges the narrative of a structurally stronger US economy and presents a contrarian perspective. Peccatiello highlights the ambiguous data and warning signs in the economy, particularly in relation to China's deleveraging process and the spillover ripple effects on other economies. 

Peccatiello emphasizes the importance of portfolio construction and diversification to protect purchasing power. He concludes by sharing his background and the launch of a macro fund.


Takeaways

  • Investors are adjusting their expectations based on the possibility of the Federal Reserve cutting interest rates fewer times than initially anticipated.
  • The prevailing narrative of a structurally stronger US economy may overlook the tightening of financial conditions and the potential spillover effects from China's deleveraging process.
  • The data is ambiguous, with some parts of the economy showing signs of slowing down while others remain resilient.
  • Portfolio construction should focus on diversification and protecting purchasing power, considering assets that are uncorrelated to one's job and the overall economy.


Links: 

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/macroalf

The Macro Compass: https://themacrocompass.org/


Timestamps

00:00 Introduction

00:22 The macro view

03:08 Prevailing narrative of a stronger US economy, ‘party like it’s 1995’

05:30 Alf’s contrarian narrative

08:54 Ambiguous data and warning Ssgns

11:42 Spillover effects from China

15:41 Possible recession and risks

27:14 Conclusion

Mar 07, 202430:30
#149 Jeff Snider: We're Still On The Same Path To Recession

#149 Jeff Snider: We're Still On The Same Path To Recession

Jeff Snider, host of the Eurodollar University podcast, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to discuss the current macroeconomic picture, characterized by confusion and ambiguity. 


In this episode, Jeff explains the Fed's focus on consumer prices and the risks associated with this approach. Jeff also highlights the lurking risks in the commercial real estate market and the Chinese real estate bubble. He provides insights on asset allocation and portfolio construction in this uncertain environment.


Jeff is an expert on the global monetary system, specifically the Eurodollar money system, and all aspects of its misunderstood inner workings and how they impact global markets, commerce, and the economy. His podcast Eurodollar University (https://www.eurodollar.university/) aims to educate the public on the evolution, nature, and nuances of the Eurodollar system and true monetary principles. 


Timestamps: 

00:00 Introduction

01:05 Welcome Jeff and the macro view

03:08 Confusion and ambiguity in the economy

07:24 The Fed's focus on consumer prices

08:43 Market pricing and signaling

11:57 What the Fed should be focused on

14:30 Ambiguity in economic data

23:51 Fiscal support and the economy

26:39 Lurking risks: Commercial real estate and China

31:10 Asset allocation and portfolio construction

33:47 Eurodollar University and parting thoughts

Mar 05, 202437:21
#148 'Convexity Maven' Harley Bassman: The Market Is Ahead Of The Fed By A Lot

#148 'Convexity Maven' Harley Bassman: The Market Is Ahead Of The Fed By A Lot

Harley Bassman, managing partner at Simplify Asset Management, discusses his macro view of the economy and markets.

He believes that the market is ahead of the Fed and that inflation will not come down as quickly as people think due to demographic factors. Bassman also discusses the yield curve and its implications for a recession.

He recommends investing in mortgage-backed securities due to their attractive risk-return profile.

Finally, Bassman, the "Convexity Maven," explains convexity and its importance in bond investing.


Links:

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/convexitymaven

Convexity Maven: https://www.convexitymaven.com/

Simplify Asset Management: https://www.simplify.us/


Timestamps:


00:00 Introduction and macro view

03:03 Inflation and Fed Policy

05:01 Inflation expectations

07:26 Yield Curve and recession

10:06 Trade Opportunities in bonds

14:47 Mortgage-Backed Securities and convexity

19:55 Rate expectations and mortgage bond trade

20:15 Understanding convexity

25:55 Wrap up

Feb 29, 202428:32
#147 Andreas Steno On Why The Resurgence In Inflation Could Mean Another Rate Hike From The Fed

#147 Andreas Steno On Why The Resurgence In Inflation Could Mean Another Rate Hike From The Fed

Andreas Steno, founder of Steno Research, discusses the resurgence of inflation and its impact on the global economy, and his contrarian take that the next move from the Federal Reserve could be a rate hike. 


In this episode, Steno highlights the labor market as a major driver of inflation, with wage pressures increasing due to labor scarcity. Steno suggests that the Federal Reserve may need to hike interest rates instead of cutting them, but acknowledges the political challenges of such a move. 


He also discusses the macro situation in Europe, with Germany and France struggling while southern European economies thrive.


Steno is the former Global Chief Strategist of Nordea, Northern Europe's largest bank.


This episode was recorded on February 19. 


Links: 

https://stenoresearch.com/

https://twitter.com/AndreasSteno

Timestamps 

00:00 Introduction

00:49 The macro view: inflation resurgence

02:38 Indicators of inflation resurgence

04:40 Labor market and wage pressures

07:00 Federal Reserve's interest rate policy

09:00 Possibility of a rate hike

10:26 Implications for markets

14:12 Structural changes in the labor market

15:48 Surprising rebound in asset markets

18:50 The European macro situation 

21:40 Implications of production shifts in Europe

24:00 Watching Europe from the outside

26:00 Portfolio construction 

27:50 The Fed's rate hikes paused too soon

29:15 Parting thoughts 

Feb 27, 202433:15
#146 Darius Dale: We’re Pivoting To A Reflation Macro Regime — What It Means For Markets 

#146 Darius Dale: We’re Pivoting To A Reflation Macro Regime — What It Means For Markets 

Darius Dale, founder & CEO of 42 Macro, an investment research firm that aims to disrupt the financial services industry by democratizing institutional-grade macro risk management frameworks and processes, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 146. 

In this episode, Darius discusses the current market regime and the transition to a reflation regime. He explains the drivers of the reflation regime and the implications for portfolio construction. Dale also discusses the role of the Federal Reserve and interest rate policy in the current environment. He highlights the importance of liquidity and its impact on asset markets. Dale concludes by discussing the risks and benefits of the reflation regime and the potential for a market correction.

Prior to founding 42 Macro, Darius was a Managing Director and Partner at Hedgeye Risk Management, an independent investment research firm based in Stamford, CT. At Hedgeye, Darius was the Sector Head of the Macro team and was a core contributor to the firm’s economic outlook and associated investments. t strategy views. He joined the firm upon graduating from Yale.


Links: 

42 Macro https://42macro.com/

Darius on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dariusdale42

42 Macro on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/42macro

42 Macro on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@42Macro



0:00 Introduction and macro view

1:20 Reflation regime and drivers

6:29 Understanding the Global Macro Risk Matrix

11:50 FOMC and interest rate policy

15:49 Liquidity cycle and implications

21:46 Benefits and drawbacks of the reflation regime

22:05 Risks and existing economic conditions

28:45 Risk of market correction

31:43 Parting thoughts, more on 42 Macro

Feb 22, 202435:16
#145 David Woo, Analyst Who Nailed The 2016 And 2020 Elections, Sees Huge Headwind For The Economy Ahead Of The 2024 Vote

#145 David Woo, Analyst Who Nailed The 2016 And 2020 Elections, Sees Huge Headwind For The Economy Ahead Of The 2024 Vote

Macro trends blogger and economist David Woo, CEO of David Woo Unbound, a global forum devoted to the promotion of fact-based debates about markets, politics, and economics, joins Julia La Roche on episode 145 for a wide-ranging conversation on economics and politics.

In this episode, Woo shares his macro framework, emphasizing the intersection of economics, politics, and geopolitics and the need to understand their impact on market outcomes. Woo also explores the potential risks and challenges facing the US economy, including political instability and polarization. 

Woo, the former head of Global Interest Rates, Foreign Exchange, Emerging Markets Fixed Income Strategy, & Economics Research at Bank of America, is known for some of his bold and contrarian calls, including Trump winning the presidential race in 2016 and the 2020 US presidential election would be much closer than expected and the results contested. With the increased political polarization in the U.S., Woo sees a real pressure point once we enter the third quarter.

“Once we get into July, we're four months away from the election, I think it's going to feel like shit. I think America, Americans are going to be petrified about what is going to be in store for the country in the final four months leading up to the election,” Woo said, adding that when safeguards to the system get “seriously stress tested” it will be “a huge economic headwind” to households and companies. 

Elsewhere, he shares contrarian investment views and highlights the importance of facts and numbers in public discourse. Finally, Woo discusses his work with David Woo Unbound and the mission to bring diverse perspectives together for meaningful discussions.


Links: 

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidWooUnbound

Website: https://www.davidwoounbound.com/

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Davidwoounbound


0:00 Intro

1:18 Macro view and why it’s harder to make money 

3:05 Intersection of economics, politics, and geopolitics 

4:52 Biden has to get the economy right, needs a soft landing 

6:50 Game Theory with oil prices 

9:00 Federal Reserve’s interest rate policy 

13:00 Government spending contributed 1/3 of GDP growth last year

17:30 Economic risk in the U.S. 

18:40 Political risk

22:00 Political division ahead of election day 

26:26 Contrarian views and ideas today 

34:44 Perception of the U.S. from the outside 

42:20 Parting thoughts 

Feb 20, 202447:36
#144 David Rosenberg: Recessionary Forces Are Building And The Economy Is Weaker Than The Narrative Suggests

#144 David Rosenberg: Recessionary Forces Are Building And The Economy Is Weaker Than The Narrative Suggests

Economist David Rosenberg, founder and president of Rosenberg Research, shares his macroeconomic view of the economy and explains why he’s not throwing in the towel on his recession call.

Rosenberg highlights the importance of understanding the business cycle and the impact of interest rates. While many economists have thrown in the towel on their recession calls, Rosenberg remains in the recession camp, pointing out that the economy is weaker than the narrative suggests. He also emphasizes looking at the full picture, noting the divergences in various economic indicators. 

Elsewhere, Rosenberg provides insights into the Federal Reserve's rate policy and its implications for bond and equity markets. Rosenberg is bullish on bonds and explains how you could make a 20% total return in the 30-year Treasury.

SPECIAL OFFER: Viewers and listeners of The Julia La Roche Show can access a free 30-day trial of Rosenberg Research with no upfront commitment. The free trial grants access to Rosenberg Research’s premium service, where you’ll receive complimentary macro and market insights every day.

Request a trial at this link: https://hub.rosenbergresearch.com/free-trial


Timestamps

00:00 Introduction, welcome, macro picture

0:54 Economists throwing in the recession towel

2:55 State of the consumer

4:15 Fiscal stimulus

6:40 Bullish on bonds, sees equity-like returns 

7:30 Recession call 

10:30 Bifurcation and divergencies in the markets and economy 

12:00 GDP and GDI 

14:00 Growth in credit card usage, epic drawdown in personal savings

15:00 Employment 

22:30 Fiscal policy likely to be a drag

24:30 Household balance sheets - auto loans and credit card delinquencies 

26:30 GDP likely close to flat this year

28:30 Outlook for Federal Reserve rate policy, need to go to 2.5%

35:45 Yield curve, why you could make more than 20% total return in 30-year Treasury bond

38:20 Implications equity markets if Fed cuts rates

44:30 Stock market has become a bidding war

48:27 Equity risk premium 

53:33 Bob Farrell's influence

57:44 Parting thoughts

Feb 15, 202401:01:44
#143: Danielle DiMartino Booth On The Jobs Market, The Economy, And Why The Recession Already Started

#143: Danielle DiMartino Booth On The Jobs Market, The Economy, And Why The Recession Already Started

Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and Chief Strategist for QI Research, a research and analytics firm, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 143. 


In this episode, Danielle provides an update on the economy, highlighting the challenges faced by the job market and the increase in layoffs. She discusses the impact of the white collar recession and the decline in net worth for high-income individuals. DiMartino Booth also shares her insights on the market performance and the Federal Reserve's approach to interest rates. She suggests a question for Fed Chair Powell regarding the regulatory changes and their impact on the financial system. Additionally, DiMartino Booth emphasizes the importance of backlogs as an indicator and discusses the current state of the economy in an election year.


A global thought leader in monetary policy, economics, and finance, DiMartino Booth founded QI Research in 2015.  She is the author of FED UP: An Insider’s Take on Why the Federal Reserve is Bad for America (Portfolio, Feb 2017), a business speaker, and a commentator frequently featured on CNBC, Bloomberg, Fox News, Fox Business News, BNN Bloomberg, Yahoo Finance and other major media outlets.  Prior to QI Research, DiMartino Booth spent nine years at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. She served as Advisor to President Richard W. Fisher throughout the financial crisis until his retirement in March 2015. Her work at the Fed focused on financial stability and the efficacy of unconventional monetary policy.

 

DiMartino Booth began her career in New York at Credit Suisse and Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette where she worked in the fixed-income, public equity, and private equity markets. DiMartino Booth earned her BBA as a College of Business Scholar at the University of Texas at San Antonio. She holds an MBA in Finance and International Business from the University of Texas at Austin and an MS in Journalism from Columbia University.


Links: 

QI Research: https://quillintelligence.com/subscriptions/

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth

Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/0735211655



Takeaways

  • The job market is facing challenges, with layoffs increasing and the demand for labor collapsing.
  • The current recession can be characterized as a white collar recession, with high-income individuals experiencing a decline in net worth.
  • The market performance is driven by the anticipation of Federal Reserve rate cuts, but the timing and extent of these cuts are uncertain.
  • Backlogs serve as an important indicator of the economy, reflecting pent-up demand and potential future trends.
  • The upcoming election is crucial, and voters should be aware of the government's spending and the importance of their vote.


Timestamps 


00:00 Introduction and update on the economy

03:08 Job market and layoffs

08:25 White collar recession

10:03 Market performance 

15:06 Outlook for interest rates

17:19 Question for Fed Chair Powell

18:41 The importance of backlogs as an indicator

20:05 Recession

21:34 Journalism background and Warren Buffett

24:00 Parting thoughts

Feb 13, 202426:28
#142 Dr. Burton Malkiel On 'A Random Walk Down Wall Street,' The Best Way To Invest, And What You're Getting Wrong About 'Efficient Markets'

#142 Dr. Burton Malkiel On 'A Random Walk Down Wall Street,' The Best Way To Invest, And What You're Getting Wrong About 'Efficient Markets'

Dr. Burton Malkiel, author of the influential book, "A Random Walk Down Wall Street," which revolutionized how people approach investing, joined Julia La Roche on episode 142.

Link: https://www.amazon.com/Random-Walk-Down-Wall-Street/dp/1324051132

0:00 Intro and welcome Dr. Burton Malkiel 

1:30 Writing ‘A Random Walk Down Wall Street’ 

4:30 Reaction to ‘A Random Walk’ 

5:30 90% of active managers do worse than the index 

8:14 Investing in the first index fund, and its returns 

12:48 This is the way to invest

19:30 Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs)

22:29 Bitcoin spot ETF, bubbles 

27:18 Debunking that ETFs distort financial markets, fuel a passive investing bubble 

33:40 Efficient Market Hypothesis and what the media gets wrong

38:20 View of the markets, macroeconomics  

43:50 Retirement crisis ahead?

48:48 Background

50:38 Parting thoughts

Feb 08, 202457:09
#141 Marc Faber On Interest Rates, Inflation, And 'QE Infinity'

#141 Marc Faber On Interest Rates, Inflation, And 'QE Infinity'

Dr. Marc Faber, editor of “The Gloom, Boom and Doom Report," provides a macro view of the global economy and financial markets. He discusses the diverging trends in different countries and the impact on standards of living. 

Dr. Faber expresses concerns about inflation, interest rates, and the high levels of debt in the US. He recommends investing in gold as a safe asset and highlights the undervalued opportunities in Latin America. 

Dr. Faber emphasizes the importance of being a contrarian investor and encourages individuals to focus on personal freedom and not rely on government interventions. In uncertain times, Faber advises diversification as a strategy, allocating assets to stocks, precious metals, real estate, and cash and bonds. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining a consistent asset allocation regardless of market conditions.


Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and welcome Dr. Marc Faber

01:13 Macro view 

04:00 Cost of living in advanced economies is higher 

06:00 EM valuations attractive, US expensive 

08:46 Long-term cycles of inflation and interest rates

10:00 Inflation is not under control

11:28 The rich have never had it this good in their lives

12:27 A silent depression for ordinary people 

14:45 Long-term cycles of inflation, interest rates in context of growing debt

20:00 Printing money

23:20 Re-acceleration of inflation 

26:00 The Economics of Inflation 

28:01 ‘If you trust the central banks, you’re stupid’

35:08 Gold and precious metals 

48:17 Recession outlook

50:39 Investment opportunities, asset allocation 

54:50 Parting thoughts 

Feb 06, 202401:02:47
#140 DoubleLine Capital's Jeff Sherman On Fed Policy, The Economy, And Why Rate Cuts Likely Won't Happen Until June Or Later
Feb 01, 202443:11
#139 'Dr. Doom' Nouriel Roubini On The 10 Megathreats That Could Destroy Our Economy

#139 'Dr. Doom' Nouriel Roubini On The 10 Megathreats That Could Destroy Our Economy

Nouriel Roubini, Professor Emeritus of Economics at New York University's Stern School of Business, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for a wide-ranging discussion on economics.

Roubini, known as "Dr. Doom" due to his tendency to make pessimistic predictions, shared his near-term macro outlook for 2024, pointing out that a hard or no landing scenario looks unlikely, and a soft or soft-ish landing is the most likely probability. 

Elsewhere, Roubini gave an update on the medium-to-longer-term outlook, which includes ten interconnected megathreats that collectively are a slow-moving trainwreck.

Roubini is the Chief Economist at Atlas Capital Team, CEO of Roubini Macro Associates, and Co-Founder of TheBoomBust.com. He is a former senior economist for international affairs in the White House's Council of Economic Advisers during the Clinton Administration. He has worked for the International Monetary Fund, the US Federal Reserve, and the World Bank. His website is NourielRoubini.com, and he is the host of NourielToday.com.


Links:

Megathreats book: https://www.amazon.com/MegaThreats-Dangerous-Trends-Imperil-Survive/dp/031628405X

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/nouriel

Website: https://nourielroubini.com/


0:00 Intro and welcome

1:00 Macro view — soft landing, no landing, or hard landing scenario

3:54 No landing and hard landing scenario don’t look as likely today

6:00 The downside scenario 

9:03 Why we avoided a recession in 2023

12:49 Update on Megathreats, worrisome risks in the longer-term, stagflation

20:00 Impact of AI, positive deflation 

23:00 Deaths of despair 

28:38 Debt situation, the mother of all debt crises 

31:00 Inflation in the medium-term, 5 or 6%

34:00 Fiscal dominance

36:00 Addressing the debt situation in the U.S. 

41:00 Inflation rate likely 6% rather than 2%, impact on 10-year treasury, mortgage rates

46:00 Take on the markets. Are they pricing in a soft landing? 

49:30 Bitcoin, Bitcoin Spot ETF, and crypto

55:25 World Economic Forum in Davos, the conventional wisdom of WEF is always wrong


Jan 30, 202459:57
#138 Peter Mallouk, CEO of $245B Creative Planning: 'It’s Hard To Be Anything But Optimistic Over The Long Run'

#138 Peter Mallouk, CEO of $245B Creative Planning: 'It’s Hard To Be Anything But Optimistic Over The Long Run'

Peter Mallouk, CEO and President of Creative Planning, a $245 billion RIA, shares his macroeconomic view, emphasizing long-term optimism due to low unemployment, emerging markets, and technological innovation. He advises investors to focus on the long run and not be swayed by short-term risks. 

Mallouk discusses the potential for rate cuts, the US debt situation, and his skepticism towards cryptocurrencies and gold as investments. He recommends a diversified portfolio focusing on equity-oriented investments, including stocks and private equity. Mallouk also highlights the importance of avoiding common investor mistakes and maintaining a long-term perspective.


Takeaways

  • Maintain a long-term perspective and focus on the macroeconomic factors that drive long-term growth, such as low unemployment, emerging markets, and technological innovation.
  • Do not try to time the market or make investment decisions based on short-term events. Instead, focus on asset allocation and diversification to protect your portfolio.
  • Be cautious about investing in cryptocurrencies, as the majority of them are likely to go to zero. Treat them as speculative bets rather than long-term investments.
  • Gold is not recommended as an investment for wealth growth, as it has historically underperformed other asset classes. However, it can serve as a store of value in uncertain times.
  • Avoid common investor mistakes, such as market timing and overactive security selection. Instead, focus on long-term asset allocation and controlling costs and taxes.

Links:

Money, Simplified book: https://www.amazon.com/Money-Simplified-Peter-Mallouk/dp/B0CLZ1W9RD

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/PeterMallouk

Creative Planning: https://creativeplanning.com/


Timestamps

00:00 Introduction

00:46 Macroeconomic view

03:14 Navigating short-term risks

04:42 Market outlook for 2024

06:15 Investing in stocks, small caps

07:38 International markets

08:28 Federal Reserve and interest rates

10:30 US debt situation is the No. 1 risk 

14:00 Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies

15:23 Role of gold in a portfolio, Mallouk not a fan of gold

17:06 Preferred investments

18:54 Common investor mistakes

20:21 Investor psychology

23:07 Peter Mallouk's journey

24:46 Where to find Peter Mallouk

25:17 Long run optimism

Jan 25, 202426:28
#137 Professor Campbell Harvey, The Inventor Of The Most Famous Recession Indicator — The Inverted Yield Curve — Sees Economic Slowdown In 2024

#137 Professor Campbell Harvey, The Inventor Of The Most Famous Recession Indicator — The Inverted Yield Curve — Sees Economic Slowdown In 2024

Professor Campbell Harvey, professor of finance at the Fuqua School of Business at Duke University and the inventor of the most famous recession indicator — the inverted yield curve — joins The Julia La Roche Show for a wide-ranging conversation on the economy, the Federal Reserve, and the yield curve. 


In this episode, Professor Harvey highlights how the Federal Reserve made things worse in 2023 with its unnecessary rate hikes. According to Professor Harvey, we’re fortunate if the economy delivers slow growth this year in spite of the Fed’s damaging actions. He argues that the Fed will need to undo the damage they did with immediate rate cuts no smaller than 50 basis points at the next meeting. 


Elsewhere, Professor Harvey shares the origin story of the inverted yield curve indicator and it’s 8 for 8 track record in predicting economic recessions. Now that we’re in the 9th inversion, he shares that it’s way too early to call if we’re in a false signal. He also makes a case that the inverted yield curve is causing slower economic growth, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing because you avoid a deep recession. 


Links: 

DeFI and the Future of Finance: https://www.amazon.com/DeFi-Future-Finance-Campbell-Harvey/dp/1119836018

https://www.fuqua.duke.edu/faculty/campbell-harvey

https://people.duke.edu/~charvey/

https://twitter.com/camharvey


0:00 Intro 

1:00 Big picture macro view 

1:30 Understanding the current state of the economy and the role of the consumer

5:20 Fed needs to 

5:55 The story has to do with the consumer

8:30 Federal Reserve undoing the damage

10:00 Inflation, the false narrative, and policy errors

18:00 Fed rate cuts need to happen immediately 

21:27 What would Professor Harvey do differently at the Fed? 

23:30 Inverted yield curve indicator origin story

30:00 Difference between long-term rate and short-term rate is highly predictive of economic growth 

36:40 8 out of 8 without a false signal 

39:00 If Fed undoes the damage it created, there’s a good shot of a soft landing

39:30 What do folks get wrong when it comes to the inverted yield curve? 

45:00 The inverted yield curve is causing slower economic growth 

47:00 Understanding how the inverted yield curve works 

49:30 What keeps Professor Harvey up at night? 


Jan 23, 202453:45
#136 Professor Jeremy Siegel Shares Outlook For The Economy, Fed Rate Cuts, And The Stock Market
Jan 18, 202446:35
#135 Chris Whalen On Pain In Commercial Real Estate, More Bank Failures, And A Maxi Reset In Home Prices In The Future

#135 Chris Whalen On Pain In Commercial Real Estate, More Bank Failures, And A Maxi Reset In Home Prices In The Future

Investment banker and author Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors, who is also the author of The Institutional Risk Analyst, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to discuss the big picture of the economy and markets, including an impending maxi reset in home prices and the potential for more bank failures. 


He also highlights the “silent crisis” in commercial real estate and the potential increase in bank failures. Whalen shares his insights on the earnings of big banks and media coverage. He provides an outlook on the Federal Reserve and discusses the debt situation in the US. Lastly, he addresses the possibility of releasing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from conservatorship and shares his work and parting thoughts.


Takeaways

  • The commercial side of the economy is experiencing pain, particularly in commercial real estate and corporate defaults.
  • The housing market is expected to undergo a reset in the future, leading to a decrease in home prices and potential challenges for developers.
  • There is a silent crisis in commercial real estate, with legacy properties becoming toxic and banks being urged to sell assets.
  • The Federal Reserve may need to drop rates, start buying bonds, and increase reserves to address the challenges in the economy and banking sector.
  • The US debt situation is a significant concern, and long-term rates may rise, impacting various sectors of the economy.
  • The release of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from conservatorship is unlikely due to their credit ratings and challenges in functioning as private entities.



Links:

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen

Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/

The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/

Comments most recent Fed proposal in Basel III Endgame: https://www.regulations.gov/comment/OCC-2023-0008-0052


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:08 Big picture view of the economy and markets

3:29 Impact of Basel III endgame 

4:50 A maxi reset in housing

06:20 Silent Crisis in commercial real estate

09:28 Potential increase in bank failures

13:00 Big bank earnings and media coverage

15:30 Grim economic picture for commercial 

21:15 Outlook on the Federal Reserve

24:55 Fed could cause a bank crisis 

26:15 Debt situation in the US

31:30 Release of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from Conservatorship? 

35:15 Parting Thoughts

Jan 16, 202436:59
#134 Luke Gromen: A Hard Landing Isn't Going To Come In Stocks. It Will Come In Treasuries

#134 Luke Gromen: A Hard Landing Isn't Going To Come In Stocks. It Will Come In Treasuries

Luke Gromen, founder of FFTT, joins The Julia La Roche Show to discuss the macro picture and the sovereign debt bubble that’s bursting in the U.S.

In this episode, Gromen makes a case that he thinks this is the year where the consensus realizes the Federal Reserve as a “shadow third mandate,” which is the Treasury market functioning. He explains the concept of fiscal dominance and its implications for the economy, including higher inflation and a weaker dollar. 

Gromen predicts that there will not be a recession in 2024 due to the Fed's focus on maintaining the functioning of the treasury market. He recommends investing in gold, Bitcoin, and industrials as these assets are likely to perform well in the current environment. 

Gromen also discusses potential scenarios that could avoid the negative outcomes of the sovereign debt bubble.


Links: 

https://fftt-llc.com/

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/lukegromen

Dr. Charles Calomiris’ paper on fiscal dominance: https://files.stlouisfed.org/files/htdocs/publications/review/2023/10/02/fiscal-dominance-and-the-return-of-zero-interest-bank-reserve-requirements.pdf


Timestamps: 

0:00 Introduction and macro view

1:40 The Fed has a “shadow third mandate”

3:54 Fiscal dominance and its symptoms 

9:24 Realization of fiscal dominance by the consensus 

14:10 No recession in 2024

21:31 It’s a new Great Depression

26:00 Investment Opportunities: gold, Bitcoin, and industrials

35:19 Avoiding the scenario

40:05 Conclusion and parting thoughts

Jan 11, 202442:26
#133 Jim Bianco On Why The 10-Year Treasury Yield Could Hit 5.5%, Implications For Stock Market, And Concerns About The Bitcoin Spot ETF

#133 Jim Bianco On Why The 10-Year Treasury Yield Could Hit 5.5%, Implications For Stock Market, And Concerns About The Bitcoin Spot ETF

Jim Bianco, president of Bianco Research, returns to The Julia La Roche to share his macroeconomic outlook, his prediction for 5.5% on the 10-year Treasury yield impact on the stock market, inflation, the US debt situation, and the approval of a Bitcoin spot ETF. 


Links: 

BiancoResearch.com

BiancoAdvisors.com

twitter.com/BiancoResearch 


Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and macro outlook 

03:07 Call for 5.5% 10-year Treasury and impact on the stock market

6:12 The pathway to 5.5%

8:08 The Fed's response to inflation

11:26 Soft Landing vs. No Landing

15:40 Implications of 5.5% on the 10-year

21:40 Why can’t we get to 2%? 

28:38 Biggest worry with 5.5% on the 10-year

31:16 US debt crosses $34T

36:35 Bitcoin Spot ETF 

44:40 Closing remarks 

46:50 Consensus forecasts have been wrong

Jan 09, 202449:04
#132 Morgan Housel: Save Like A Pessimist And Invest Like An Optimist

#132 Morgan Housel: Save Like A Pessimist And Invest Like An Optimist

Bestselling author Morgan Housel, partner at The Collaborative Fund and first-ever guest on The Julia La Roche Show returns for episode 132 to discuss his newest New York Times Bestseller Same As Ever: A Guide to What Never Changes. Morgan’s first book The Psychology of Money has sold over four million copies and been translated into 50 languages worldwide.

Morgan is a two-time winner of the Best in Business Award from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers, and winner of the New York Times Sidney Award. In 2022, MarketWatch named him one of the 50 most influential people in markets. He serves on the board of directors at Markel. 


Takeaways

  • Managing expectations is crucial for happiness and success.
  • Social media can lead to inflated expectations and feelings of inadequacy.
  • Envy and the pursuit of status and success can hinder happiness.
  • Unforeseen consequences and tail risks play a significant role in shaping our lives.
  • Personal experiences can shape our perception of risk and influence our decision-making. Economic forecasts are in high demand because they reduce uncertainty, even if their track record is poor.
  • Calm periods in the economy or markets can lead to instability and eventual crises.
  • Simplicity and endurance are key to successful long-term investing.
  • Charlie Munger's legacy lies in his wisdom and willingness to share it with others.
  • Writing is a process of self-discovery and learning.


Timestamps 

00:00 Introduction and Catching Up

01:08 Surprising Success of 'The Psychology of Money'

02:24 The Value of Low Expectations

04:08 Managing Expectations and Balancing Optimism

07:28 The Dangers of High Expectations and Social Media

09:37 The Gap Between Expectations and Reality

12:59 The Inflation of Expectations

15:11 The Impact of Social Media on Happiness

18:30 Envy and the Pursuit of Status and Success

23:39 Risk and the Unforeseen Consequences

26:17 The World Hanging by a Thread

31:41 Personal Story: Skiing Accident and Risk Aversion

40:32 The Demand for Economic Forecasts

43:01 Calm Plants the Seeds of Crazy

46:00 Investment Strategy: Simplicity and Endurance

48:23 Charlie Munger's Legacy

51:08 Writing for Self-Discovery

Jan 04, 202454:35
#131 Sallie Krawcheck: Nothing Bad Happens When Women Have More Money

#131 Sallie Krawcheck: Nothing Bad Happens When Women Have More Money

In this conversation, Julia interviews Sallie Krawcheck, the CEO and founder of Ellevest, about the economy, the role of women in finance, and the retirement crisis.

Sallie shares her assessment of the economy and markets, emphasizing the importance of long-term investing and the historical growth of the stock market. She also discusses the significant impact women had on the economy in the past year and the growth of Ellevest as a platform for women's wealth-building.

Sallie reflects on her initial skepticism about starting a women-focused investing firm and the importance of overcoming imposter syndrome with a growth mindset. The conversation concludes with a shared love for their alma mater, UNC, and a reminder to support and promote women in finance.

Takeaways

  • Long-term investing in the stock market has historically delivered strong returns, making it a scalable way to build wealth.
  • Women played a significant role in the economy in the past year, defying stereotypes and embracing their spending power.
  • The retirement crisis disproportionately affects women, who have less wealth and live longer than men.
  • Women tend to be better investors than men, as they are less likely to panic and trade frequently.
  • Men have a crucial role to play in advancing gender equality and supporting women's financial empowerment.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Gratitude

00:46 Assessment of the Economy and Markets

03:12 The Role of Women in the Economy

04:48 Update on Ellevest

07:33 Sallie's Initial Skepticism and Change of Perspective

10:26 The Retirement Crisis and its Impact on Women

12:48Women's Investment Behavior and Performance

16:02 Regional Banking Crisis and Risks

20:01 Incentive Structures for Bank Executives

20:48 The Role of Men in Advancing Gender Equality

23:57 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome with a Growth Mindset

25:33 Shared Love for UNC and Closing Remarks

Dec 28, 202328:27
#130 Dr. Charles Calomiris On Fiscal Dominance And The Return of Zero-Interest Bank Reserve Requirements

#130 Dr. Charles Calomiris On Fiscal Dominance And The Return of Zero-Interest Bank Reserve Requirements

Dr. Charles Calomiris, Henry Kaufman Professor of Financial Institutions Emeritus at Columbia Business School, joins The Julia La Roche Show to discuss his recent paper, ⁠Fiscal Dominance and the Return of Zero-Interest Bank Reserve Requirements⁠.

In this episode, Dr. Calomiris examines the state of the economy in the near-term and longer-term, as well as the fiscal challenges facing the U.S. According to Dr. Calomiris, there's a significant probability of a fiscal dominance problem arriving in the next decade. Fiscal dominance is the need for the government to fund its deficits on the margin with non-interest-bearing debts, also known as "inflation taxation."

He points out the need for political leadership and accountability in addressing the unsustainable promises of entitlement spending. Dr. Calomiris explains what could trigger panic in the bond market and the potential solutions, including taxing the banking system. He also discusses the implications of such policies on the banking system and the broader economy. Overall, he emphasizes the importance of addressing the long-term fiscal challenges to avoid a crisis in the future.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and background

01:01 Short-run and long-run perspective of the economy

03:23 The dysfunctional state of the economy, the blame is ours

06:37 Generational government accounting and political responsibility

10:06 We are not a grown-up society right now 

11:20 Debt situation in the U.S. 

13:53 The point of no return? 

17:50 Less than a decade to make the political decision

19:50 Deficits, recessionary environment, and the consequences

23:00 Signs to look out for in the bond market 

24:40 Fiscal Dominance and its definition

27:30 Will the government tax the banking system into almost oblivion? 

28:50 Taxing the banking system and the inflation tax

34:00 If nothing changes, how implied annual inflation could be 35-40%

37:00 Fed could raise reserve requirements and pay zero interest to expand the inflation tax base, lower implied inflation rate

40:00 Impact on the banking system

46:17 The power of the Federal Reserve

51:00 Bitcoin

54:19 Parting Thoughts and Advice

Links:

Fiscal Dominance and the Return of Zero-Interest Bank Reserve Requirements

Fragile By Design The Political Origins of Banking Crisis and Scarce Credit

Dec 26, 202358:58
#129 Fundstrat's Tom Lee, Analyst Who Nailed The 2023 Stock Market Rally, Shares His 2024 Market Outlook

#129 Fundstrat's Tom Lee, Analyst Who Nailed The 2023 Stock Market Rally, Shares His 2024 Market Outlook

Tom Lee, Managing Partner and Head of Research at Fundstrat and FS Insight, returns to The Julia La Roche Show to share his market outlook.

Lee was among the bullish entering 2023, with a prescient call that the S&P 500 would rise 20% to 4,750 as inflation cooled off. 

In this episode, Lee shared his 2024 market outlook, noting it’s a year that investors shouldn’t be afraid. He expects the S&P 500 will end 2024 at 5,200, but with a caveat that most of the gains will be in the second half of the year. He pointed out that his base case is the S&P could be flat or down 5% during the first half.

Looking ahead to 2024, Lee predicts positive changes in monetary policy and an earnings recovery cycle, with small caps and financials as top picks. He anticipates that small-cap stocks could outperform and rally as much as 50%. He also shares his bullish outlook on Bitcoin.


Takeaways

  • The successful call for 2023 was based on the belief that inflation would be transitory and volatility would collapse.
  • Investors got it wrong by focusing on a singular analogy and underestimating the importance of volatility.
  • For 2024, Lee predicts positive changes in monetary policy and an earnings recovery cycle, with small caps and financials as top picks.
  • Bitcoin is expected to have a strong year in 2024 due to dovish central banks and the potential approval of a Bitcoin spot ETF.

Links:

30-day free trial to FS Insight: https://bit.ly/485XjUl

https://fsinsight.com/

https://fundstrat.com/


Timestamps 

0:00 Intro and welcome Tom Lee

1:13 Retrospective on 2023 market call, what people got wrong

5:13 Mass psychology playing a bigger role than ever

6:58 Institutional and retail investors reading from the same playbook

8:42 2024 outlook, a year investors shouldn’t really be afraid 

14:12 Base case is S&P down/flat in first half, most gains in the second half

18:26 Small caps 

21:10 S&P 5200

22:00 Sector positioning

24:20 ‘Permabull’ reference is a cheap shot   

30:00 Bitcoin

32:00 Closing remarks 

Dec 22, 202334:32
#128: Felix Zulauf: 'Hell Will Break Loose' — The Next Big Crisis In Late 2020s Will Be A Shocker

#128: Felix Zulauf: 'Hell Will Break Loose' — The Next Big Crisis In Late 2020s Will Be A Shocker

Former hedge fund manager Felix Zulauf, who is the founder and CEO of Zulauf Consulting, joined The Julia La Roche Show to share his insights on macroeconomics, geopolitics, and the market. Zulauf Consulting is a boutique research and consulting firm that offers investment advisory services to institutional investors and family offices.

In this episode, Zulauf predicted that the market will continue to rise in early 2024 due to the economy appearing stronger than expected. However, he anticipates a drop in equities due to a recession. He described the current market as a "rollercoaster," with ups and downs that could be particularly frustrating for passive investors. He suggested that these investors might see low or even negative total returns in the next decade. According to Zulauf, those who can play mini cycles could find the environment beneficial.

Zulauf also commented on the concentration of fund managers in the Magnificent 7, a level of concentration he has never seen in his 40-year career.

Turning to inflation, Zulauf argued that what we're currently seeing is only a "temporary victory" and that we have "not killed the inflation beast." He shared his thesis for the latter part of the 2020s, predicting a possible 10% inflation rate. He noted that while occasional crises have been managed and kept under control, he worries that the next big crisis in the late 2020s "will be a shocker." As he put it, "all hell will break loose," and the latter half of the decade will be characterized by social, economic, financial, and currency crises.


0:00 Intro and Welcome Felix Zulauf 

1:12 Macro view, geopolitical impact, changing world order

2:40 Equity markets likely to go up first, then drop

3:50 Inflation could rise above 10% 

5:20 Nimble and flexible 

7:29 Playing the markets in the environment 

9:40 Fund managers piling into Magnificent 7 stocks, never seen this kind of concentration 

14:24 FOMC reaction, Fed outlook, rate cut likely 

17:40 Late 2020s, higher inflation, debt trillion

19:38 Inflation cycle similar to late 60s/70s

21:15 Next inflation cycle will create a problem for the bond market

22:15 Yield curve control 

23:30 Hell will break loose, next big crisis will be a shocker 

24:30 Addressing the fiscal problems 

25:37 Gold not just a monetary asset, but a geopolitical asset

30:40 Parting thoughts, Japanese Yen 

Dec 19, 202334:27
#127 Grant Williams: Get Rid Of Certainty — Be Prepared For A Recession And A Soft Landing 

#127 Grant Williams: Get Rid Of Certainty — Be Prepared For A Recession And A Soft Landing 

Grant Williams, author of “Things That Make You Go Hmmm…” and host of The Grant Williams podcast, joins Julia La Roche on episode 127 for a wide-ranging conversation on macro. 


The conversation explores the importance of investors being ready for both a recession and a soft landing at the same time in the current economic environment, which is not an easy thing for investors to do. Grant makes a case that the biggest sea change is it’s now time to play defense in the market.


The discussion delves into the importance of having a view on the US dollar and the impact of Japan's monetary policy on financial markets. Grant shares his experience starting his career in Japan and discusses the worldviews of different generations and their impact on investing. He points out that Millennials are likely to learn some hard lessons about investing since they came of age in an environment where it was easy to make money. 


Elsewhere, the concept of the Fourth Turning and the potential for conflict is explored.  Grant shares his thesis on gold as a means of preserving purchasing power and problems with the CPI.


 Grant also shares the worst experience in his career.


Links:

https://www.grant-williams.com/

https://twitter.com/ttmygh


Timestamps: 


0:00 Welcome Grant Williams

1:30 Macro view

3:00 Two opposing ideas at once 

5:24 Difficult to admit you’re wrong 

8:15 Need to understand the U.S. Dollar, the Japanese Yen

9:15 U.S. Dollar outlook 

10:29 Bank of Japan moves 

13:40 Second-order effects of Japan on the global markets/economies 

17:00 Japan’s market an alternative to the U.S.

18:23 Grant’s early career years in Japan 

21:00 1987 crash 

23:50 People want to help 

26:15 World views we form generationally 

29:00 Millennials are going to learn hard lessons about investing 

32:12 View of the economy between younger and older generations 

34:46 The Fourth Turning 

39:33 ‘The Economic Consequences of The Peace’ January 2015 talk 

42:12 Worry about my kids, my grandkids. We’ve reached that point.

43:25 The big sea change is it’s now time to play defense 

44:11 Gold 

51:02 CPI 

57:43 Worst thing that happened in Grant’s career 

Dec 14, 202301:00:25
#126 Liz Ann Sonders On The 2024 Market Outlook, A Different Investing Environment, And Why You Can’t Rule Out A Recession

#126 Liz Ann Sonders On The 2024 Market Outlook, A Different Investing Environment, And Why You Can’t Rule Out A Recession

Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist for Charles Schwab, discusses the macro picture, behavior of asset classes, active management, Federal Reserve outlook, interpreting economic data, the yield curve and recession, the bond market vs. equity market, and lessons from the legendary late Marty Zweig.

Takeaways

* The current economic cycle is characterized by rolling recessions, with different sectors experiencing periods of growth and contraction.

* The relationship between bond yields and stock prices has historically been negative during inflationary periods and positive during periods of economic growth.

* Active management may become more important in the new era, as market conditions change and there is greater dispersion in how securities behave.

* The Federal Reserve is likely to be in pause mode with regards to rate hikes, but a significant loosening of monetary policy is not expected.

*Interpreting economic data can be challenging due to the presence of crosscurrents and conflicting indicators.

* The yield curve has historically been a reliable predictor of recessions, but the timing and duration of recessions can vary.* The bond market and equity market may have different perspectives on the current economic environment, with the bond market being more cautious.

* Lessons from Marty Zweig include the importance of understanding how monetary policy influences asset prices and the value of sentiment analysis.



Links:

2024 Outlook: https://www.schwab.com/learn/story/us-outlook-one-thing-leads-to-another

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/LizAnnSonders

On Investing Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/on-investing/id1711806955?ls=1&mt=2


Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction and Macro Picture

03:55 A Different Environment

05:29 Behavior of Asset Classes, Opportunities

08:52 Active Management in the New Era

10:25 Federal Reserve Outlook

14:07 Interpreting Economic Data

19:03 Yield Curve and Recession

22:27 Bond Market vs. Equity Market

25:21 Lessons from Marty Zweig

Dec 12, 202330:05
#125 Jason Calacanis On American Society And Getting Past The Victim Mentality, Friendship With Elon Musk And Owning The First Tesla Model S, The All-In Podcast And Leaving Millions On The Table

#125 Jason Calacanis On American Society And Getting Past The Victim Mentality, Friendship With Elon Musk And Owning The First Tesla Model S, The All-In Podcast And Leaving Millions On The Table

Angel investor and entrepreneur Jason Calacanis, “The World’s Greatest Moderator” and co-host/Bestie of All-In Podcast, joins Julia La Roche on episode 125 for a wide-ranging discussion. Calacanis, affectionately known as “J-Cal,” is one of the best angel investors in the world, having turned $100,000 into $100,000,000, with early investments in Uber, Calm, Robinhood, Wealthfront, and more. He co-hosts the popular All-In Podcast alongside Chamath Palihapitiya, David Sacks, and David Friedberg.


The conversation covers various topics, including the despicable display on Capitol Hill, the meaning of being an American, the impact of abundance on society. They also get into the breakout success of the All-In Podcast, interviewing presidential candidates, and how the show is leaving millions on the table by not having advertising. 


In the conversation, Julia learns how Jason came to own the first Tesla Model S and 16th Roadster. They also got into some of the media scrutiny of Musk. In this conversation, Julia and Jason discuss the rise of independent creators and the shift away from traditional media networks. They explore the advantages of being an independent content creator and the potential for greater financial success. 


Elsewhere, Jason shares his journey to success, highlighting the importance of hard work, seizing opportunities, and understanding every aspect of one's field. They also discuss finding purpose and joy in life, the power of partnerships, and the future of the All-In Summit. 


Links: 

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Jason

The All-In Podcast: https://www.allinpodcast.co/

This Week In Startups: https://thisweekinstartups.com/

Newsletter: https://calacanis.substack.com/

Launch: https://www.launch.co/

Angel University: https://www.angel.university/online

More links: https://linktr.ee/calacanis/



0:00 Welcome Jason Calacanis 

2:14 Antisemitism on college campuses, Harvard, MIT, and UPenn on Capitol Hill

6:20 Identity politics madness is coming to an end 

850 Why has America drifted? 

10:50 Democracy + capitalism 

13:20 Get rid of the victim mentality 

15:55 Hard work pays off, keep adding skills 

20:14 Success of the All-In Podcast 

23:00 Presidential candidates on the All-In Podcast 

26:30 All-In Summit 

28:40 All-In leaving $25 million on the table 

29:35 Elon Musk and how Jason got the first Tesla Model S

35:14 Media scrutiny of Musk

40:50 Podcasting and rise of independent creators 

43:50 Power of going the independent route 

54:40 Jason’s background and journey to success

54:00 Finding purpose and joy

56:20 Besties and the power of partnerships 

Dec 07, 202301:02:59
#124 Michael Howell: Rising Liquidity, Monetary Inflation, And Why Gold Could Surge To $3,000

#124 Michael Howell: Rising Liquidity, Monetary Inflation, And Why Gold Could Surge To $3,000

Michael Howell, CEO of CrossBorder Capital, an investment advisory firm, and author of the book, “Capital Wars: The Rise Of Global Liquidity,” returns to The Julia La Roche for episode 124 to share where we are in the global liquidity cycle and why gold is ready for a breakout moment.


Links: 

Website: http://www.crossbordercapital.com/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/crossbordercap

Substack: https://capitalwars.substack.com/

Book: https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Wars-Rise-Global-Liquidity/dp/3030392902



0:00 Intro and welcome Michael Howell to the show

1:00 Macro picture today 

2:15 2024 outlook, why liquidity is increasing 

6:30 Global Liquidity Index 

8:53 Gold, global liquidity, and U.S. CPI 

16:00 Gold is not the inflation hedge you think 

17:30 Gold holdings of BRICS & friends 

21:18 Gold is a monetary inflation hedge 

25:00 Breakout moment for Bitcoin like gold? 

27:00 Asset allocation 

30:30 Past crises were refinancing crises 

34:50 Will there be a recession? 

37:00 Portfolio construction, parting thoughts 

Dec 05, 202340:51
#123 Cullen Roche On Inflation, Why The Fed Won't Cut Rates Soon, And Is The S&P 500 Broken?

#123 Cullen Roche On Inflation, Why The Fed Won't Cut Rates Soon, And Is The S&P 500 Broken?

Cullen Roche, CIO of Discipline Funds and author of Pragmatic Capitalism, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 123. 


Going into 2023, Cullen’s big call was disinflation, which was a largely correct call. In this episode, Cullen shares his views that it might take a full year for the Federal Reserve to hit the 2% target. Because of that, the Fed can’t start signaling rate cuts without risking a resurgence in inflation. Therefore, Cullen believes the Fed will remain tighter well into 2024, increasing the risk of a hard landing or credit event as we get deeper into 2024.


Links:

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/cullenroche

Discipline Funds: https://disciplinefunds.com/

Is The S&P 500 Broken? https://disciplinefunds.com/2023/11/21/is-the-sp-500-broken/

Pragmatic Capitalism: https://www.amazon.com/Pragmatic-Capitalism-Every-Investor-Finance-ebook/dp/B0B4V1KHVD


0:00 Welcome Cullen Roche to the show 

1:03 Macro view 

5:44 Real estate 

10:13 How resilient is the economy really? 

13:33 Disinflation call, 2024 outlook, road to 2% more difficult 

17:29 Expect Fed to hold rates tight

18:23 Opportunities in bonds

20:28 Stock market is a 17-year instrument, duration of other asset classes 

26:50 Allocating in this environment 

30:00 Is the S&P 500 broken, are there hidden risks? 


Marlinski Media produces the Julia La Roche Show: https://www.marlinskimedia.com/

Dec 01, 202335:45
#122 Charles Payne On The Bifurcated Economy, Being An Unbreakable Investor, And The Roaring 2020s

#122 Charles Payne On The Bifurcated Economy, Being An Unbreakable Investor, And The Roaring 2020s

Charles Payne, host of FOX Business Network’s (FBN) Making Money with Charles Payne (weekdays 2-3PM/ET), joined Julia La Roche on episode 122 to discuss his newest book, "Unbreakable Investor." Charles began his career on Wall Street as an analyst at E.F. Hutton in 1985. In 1991, he founded Wall Street Strategies, an independent stock market research firm where he serves as chief executive officer and principal analyst. He published his first book, "Be Smart, Act Fast, Get Rich" in May 2007, and "Unstoppable Prosperity: Learn the Strategy I’ve Used for Years to Beat the Market" in 2019. He joined FOX News Media as a contributor in 2007 and provides financial analysis across FBN and FOX News Channel.


Links:

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/cvpayne

Wall Street Strategies: https://www.wstreet.com/

Unbreakable Investor: https://www.unbreakableinvestor.com/


0:00 Intro and welcome Charles Payne

1:24 Big picture view, bifurcated economy and markets 

2:51 Recession 

4:15 Unbreakable Investor 

6:34 Stock market 

10:13 Roaring 2020s 

12:28 Leadership 

15:30 Outlook on the U.S. 

19:30 Charles’ journey to Wall Street 

25:50 Closing thoughts 


The Julia La Roche Show is produced by Marlinski Media: https://www.marlinskimedia.com/

Nov 28, 202326:47
#121 Raoul Pal: Get Ready For ‘Macro Summer’ — Falling Rates, Falling Inflation, And Growth Picking Up

#121 Raoul Pal: Get Ready For ‘Macro Summer’ — Falling Rates, Falling Inflation, And Growth Picking Up

Raoul Pal, founder and CEO of Real Vision and author of the Global Macro Investor, joins Julia La Roche on episode 121 to share his macro outlook, views on cryptocurrency and AI, and his Exponential Age thesis. 

In this episode, Pal makes a case that we’re currently in the bottom of the business cycle and could be headed for what he’s coined as “macro summer” next year. According to Pal, a macro summer is the “holy grail for macro investing,” characterized by falling rates, falling inflation and growth picking up. Pal noted that tech stocks and crypto priced in a recession last year, and they’re forward-looking, indicating a more positive outlook for the economy, while the Russell 2000 and oil are more reflective of the present day and a slow economy. 

Pal, a Goldman Sachs alum, previously co-managed GLG's global macro fund, one of the world's largest. Since retiring back in 2004 at age 36, he now authors a research letter, The Global Macro Investor (GMI), which is read by some of the most influential hedge funds and asset managers. He's also the founder of Real Vision, an online subscription media company specializing in long-form investor interviews.


Links: 

Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/raoulgmi

GMI: https://globalmacroinvestor.com/

https://www.realvision.com/



0:00 Welcome Raoul Pal 

1:23 Macro view today

4:37 We’re at the bottom of the business cycle now

6:02 In “macro spring” headed for “macro summer” 

7:50 Why rates will go lower faster than people think

8:27 Paying interest on the debt

10:15 Did we experience a recession already? 

12:29 Inflation 

14:15 False narratives in macro 

16:12 Central Bank’s currency debasement 

19:08 Destruction of the American Dream 

21:51 The debt problem 

26:30 The Exponential Age and the Everything Code 

30:27 The darker view 

32:40 Higher for longer 

34:45 Portfolio construction in this environment 

39:40 Robotics and UBI  

43:13 Timeline on crypto and broader adoption 

48:12 Psychology of the ups and downs 

53:07 Acceleration of AI 

54:04 Fourth Turning 

55:30 Parting thoughts 


The Julia La Roche Show is produced by Marlinksi Media: https://www.marlinskimedia.com/

Nov 21, 202359:14
#120 Dr. Gary Shilling On Recession Risk, Inflation, Rate Cuts, And Bonds

#120 Dr. Gary Shilling On Recession Risk, Inflation, Rate Cuts, And Bonds

Dr. A. Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co., an economic consulting firm and a registered investment advisor, joins Julia La Roche on episode 120 for a wide-ranging conversation on the economy.

In this episode, Dr. Shilling predicts an imminent recession, citing key indicators such as the inverted yield curve and actions of the Federal Reserve, which is determined to curb inflation even at the risk of triggering a recession. He expects the Fed to be slower in cutting rates in the event of a recession, emphasizing their focus on ensuring inflation is under control and considering the labor market's slower response to economic changes.

Elsewhere, Shilling explores the correlation between Treasury bond yields and inflation, indicating that excess supply leads to lower inflation and, thus, lower interest rates. He believes the peak of interest rates has been reached and expects a rally in Treasuries. 

He also shares his investment approach, favoring long treasuries, the US dollar, and short positions in stocks and commodities like copper. He's skeptical about the potential of commercial real estate and sees it as a current bubble.


0:00 Welcome Dr. Gary Shilling to the show

0:53 Macro picture today, recession outlook 

3:40 Federal Reserve’s 2% inflation target 

4:30 Globalization 

6:30 Rates and inflation 

12:18 Bond market 

15:20 Hard landing 

18:13 What’s ahead for the Fed? 

20:00 Higher for longer? Maybe, but I’m not convinced

21:17 Winners and losers in this environment? 

23:44 Oil 

26:26 U.S. Dollar outlook 

28:09 Agnostic on gold 

29:13 Bullish on Treasuries 

30:46 Housing 

37:37 A contrarian? 

40:27 Commercial real estate bubble 

42:46 Forecasting as an art 

46:00 Beekeeping 

51:20 Parting thoughts 

Nov 16, 202352:60
#119 Michael Kao: The Four Horsemen Of Economic Resilience, And Why We Haven't Seen A Hard Landing (Yet)

#119 Michael Kao: The Four Horsemen Of Economic Resilience, And Why We Haven't Seen A Hard Landing (Yet)

Michael Kao (@Urbankaoboy) joins Julia La Roche on episode 119 to discuss his macro outlook, why we haven’t seen a hard landing yet thanks to the “four horsemen of economic resilience,” and why he’s favoring shorter duration assets in this economic environment. 


Mike has been in the investment business for 30 years and has experience analyzing and investing in many markets and asset classes, spanning commodities to credit to convertible/capital structure/event arbitrage to distressed debt/equity investing. 


Mike began his career in the commodities unit at J. Aron/Goldman Sachs in NYC in the early 90’s and traded over 25 different commodity markets and their derivatives. Mike left Goldman to pursue an MBA in Finance at The Wharton School. 


After business school, Mike joined Canyon Partners, a credit-oriented hedge fund in Los Angeles, where he went on to become partner and co-founder of the Canyon Arbitrage Fund, which focused on various strategies including convertible and capital structure arbitrage as well as event-driven/risk arbitrage.


After 5 years at Canyon, Mike decided to leave Canyon and begin his own investment firm, Akanthos Capital Management, LLC. At Akanthos, Mike ran an opportunistic, value-driven investment strategy that looked for “fulcrum securities” up and down the capital structure. 


Mike stopped actively managing external capital in 2019 and now invests primarily for his family office and enjoys blogging about the markets and economy on Substack at urbankaoboy.substack.com and Twitter @UrbanKaoboy. 


Mike holds a BS in Electrical Engineering/Computer Science from UC, Berkeley and an MBA in Finance from The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.


Links: 

https://www.urbankaoboy.com/

https://twitter.com/UrbanKaoboy


0:00 Welcome Michael Kao 

0:51 Macro view / The Four Horsemen of economic resilience 

7:43 Recessionary outlook in the “vodka-Red bull” economy 

11:00 The dollar wrecking ball 

15:30 The rest of the world ‘out-doving’ the Fed 

19:23 Oil outlook 

26:27 Portfolio construction, favoring shorter duration 

33:00 Thinking about stocks and bonds

35:00 Exit strategies 

41:16 Parting thoughts

Nov 14, 202343:31
#118 Jim Rogers: A Recession Is Not Here Today, But I Can See It Coming

#118 Jim Rogers: A Recession Is Not Here Today, But I Can See It Coming

Legendary investor and “adventure capitalist” Jim Rogers returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 118 to discuss the economy, markets, and where he’s finding opportunity in a world with higher inflation.


0:00 Welcome Jim Rogers back 

1:18 Macro view ahead of an election 

3:00 Recession outlook 

4:48 Inflation 

7:03 Bond market 

10:15 Inflation globally 

11:00 Allocating in a higher inflation environment 

12:20 Silver, gold 

14:13 Stocks 

15:08 Short-selling 

17:40 U.S. Dollar 

21:34 Moving to Singapore 

25:30 Guinness World Records 

Nov 09, 202329:41
#117 Ted Oakley On Staying Rich With A Balanced Portfolio

#117 Ted Oakley On Staying Rich With A Balanced Portfolio

Ted Oakley, Managing Partner and Founder of Oxbow Advisors, joins in-person in Austin, Texas, for episode 117 to discuss the economy, markets, life, and his new book, “Stay Rich With A Balanced Portfolio.” 


With more than forty years of experience in advising high-net-worth clients in the investment industry, Oakley implements the firm’s proprietary investment strategies and the “Oxbow Principles” to provide a unique investment perspective. He is a frequent guest on FOX Business News, Bloomberg Radio, KITCO News, Cheddar TV, Yahoo Finance, and many more.


Oakley is a Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) and a Certified Financial Planner (CFP). He is a member of the Austin Society of Financial Analysts. He is also a Partner of Herndon Plant Oakley Ltd., an investment company. He is a Board Member of Texas State Aquarium, American Bank, and American Bank Holding Company. Mr. Oakley is a United States Army Veteran.


Oakley began his career in Dallas, Texas, over 35 years ago. He is the author of nine books: You Sold Your Company, $20 Million and Broke, Rich Kids Broke Kids – The Failure of Traditional Estate Planning, Crazy Time – Surviving the First 12 Months after Selling Your Company, Wall Street Lies, Danger Time, My Story, The Psychology of Staying Rich, and Your Money Mentality.


Oakley’s primary philanthropic interest is helping children. He is Chairman Emeritus and Founder of the Foster Angels of South Texas, the largest foster child foundation in South Texas, as well as Chairman Emeritus and Founder of Austin, Texas-based Foster Angels of Central Texas. Also, President and Founder of Advocates for Foster Children Foundation.



0:00 Welcome Ted Oakley to the show

1:08 Macro outlook 

3:10 Economic picture 

5:06 Wealthy don’t mind being safe right now

8:00 Short-term treasuries 

9:16 10-year Treasury 

14:13 Inflation 

17:15 Investor bias 

20:20 Ted Oakley’s upbringing 

27:04 Writing Staying Right With A Balanced Portfolio 

30:30 Folks can afford to wait now 

31:50 Psychology of investing 

39:00 Gold 

40:27 What is a balanced portfolio these days? 

41:51 Every landing is hard 

44:16 The small investor 

46:20 The curse of second-generation wealth 


Nov 07, 202351:05
#116 Lyn Alden On Broken Money, Higher Inflation, Gold, And Bitcoin

#116 Lyn Alden On Broken Money, Higher Inflation, Gold, And Bitcoin

Investment researcher and macroeconomic analyst Lyn Alden, founder of Lyn Alden Investment Strategy, joins Julia La Roche on episode 116 to discuss her new book, “"Broken Money: Why Our Financial System is Failing Us and How We Can Make it Better.” 


Links: 

https://www.lynalden.com/

https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Money-Financial-System-Failing/dp/B0CG83QBJ6

https://twitter.com/LynAldenContact


The Julia La Roche Show is produced by Marlinski Media: https://www.marlinskimedia.com/


0:00 Welcome Lyn Alden to the show 

1:11 Macro picture 

4:18 1940s comparison 

9:04 Fiscal spiral 

12:49 Inflation in Egypt 

20:00 Expectations of a recession, higher inflation 

23:20 Stagflationary outlook 

25:30 Why is money broken? 

28:44 160 currency bubbles 

30:33 Why is the system so antiquated? 

34:45 Self publishing 

36:40 Role of the U.S. Dollar as the global reserve currency 

45:00 Gold 

47:41 Bitcoin 

51:30 Could Bitcoin ever be a bubble? 

55:18 Role of central banks with the rise of Bitcoin 

57:43 Parting thoughts 

Nov 02, 202359:50
#115 Dr. Lacy Hunt On The Impending Recession

#115 Dr. Lacy Hunt On The Impending Recession

Legendary economist Dr. Lacy Hunt joins Julia La Roche on episode 115 for a wide-ranging discussion on the economy and why we're facing an impending recession.

Dr. Hunt is an internationally known and award-winning economist.He received the Abramson Award from the National Association for Business Economics for "outstanding contributions in the field of business economics."

Dr. Hunt is Executive Vice President and Chief Economist of Hoisington Investment Management Company (HIMCO), a firm that manages over $5 billion for pension funds, endowments, insurance companies and others.

This is the 54th year in Dr. Hunt's career. He served as a Senior Economist for the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. When he entered the Fed, William Martin was chair and was grappling with severe inflation and when Dr. Hunt left the Fed, Arthur Burns was chair and also trying to contain rampant price increases.

Dr. Hunt served 23 years on the Board of Trustees at Temple University where he received his PhD in 1969, and is an honorary life trustee as well.


0:00 Welcome Dr. Hunt

1:55 Macro picture 

3:00 Corollary between severity of inflation and recession

4:50 An untenable situation for moderate/modest households 

6:29 Looking under the hood of the economy 

9:50 Michigan consumer sentiment index 

11:55 Coordinated fiscal and monetary response to the pandemic 

14:20 Law of diminishing returns 

17:03 What does a hard landing look like 

20:30 Another contra cyclical development in the financial cycle 

23:00 A deep/short recession or long/narrow recession

26:00 Debt, demographics 

29:40 US dollar 

30:40 Private spending has a positive multiplier, government spending has a negative multiplier 

36:06 Other Deposit Liabilities (ODL) 

41:55 Contra normal developments

43:15 Discretionary monetary, fiscal policy have failed

48:30 Fed needs to move away from full discretion

50:20 Groupthink at the Fed, no diversity of opinion

54:00 Classical economist 

57:00 5 phases of the business cycle  

Oct 31, 202301:00:15
#114 Bob Elliott On Why It's Time For A 10% Gold Allocation

#114 Bob Elliott On Why It's Time For A 10% Gold Allocation

Bob Elliott ( @BobEUnlimited), cofounder and CEO of Unlimited, which uses machine learning to create index replication ETFs of 2&20 style alternative investments like hedge funds, venture capital, and private equity, joins Julia La Roche on episode 114 to discuss the macro picture, why the odds of a recession are increasing, and why it might make sense to allocate 10% of a portfolio to gold. 


This episode was recorded on Friday, October 20. 


Prior to founding Unlimited, Bob was a Senior Investment Executive at Bridgewater Associates, where he served on the Investment Committee (G7) and created investment strategies across equities, fixed income, credit, exchange rates, and commodities, including many used in the flagship Pure Alpha fund. He also built and led Ray Dalio’s personal investment research team for nearly a decade. He’s the author of hundreds of Bridgewater’s widely read Daily Observations and directly counseled some of the world’s foremost policymakers and institutional investors on economic and investing issues.


Bob has also served as an advisor and executive at several startups, including CircleUp, an investment company focused on early-stage consumer brands. He revamped the investment strategy for the company’s $150mln venture funds leveraging big data approaches to improve decision-making. He was also the co-founder of GiveWell, a startup charity evaluator which now directs more than $500mln in annual contributions.



0:00 Welcome Bob Elliott 

0:45 Macro picture 

2:30 Probability of a recession has gone up 

5:20 Bond market 

8:30 Bond sell-offs are self-correcting 

14:20 Higher for longer, but how much longer? 

18:03 Fed’s 2% target for inflation 

20:20 Jamie Dimon’s 7% rates comment 

22:29 Allocated to gold and diversified commodities 

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