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Pearls & Swine Podcast

Pearls & Swine Podcast

By Kelly Dehnert

Bringing Hope and Healing to Targets of Abusive Leadership in Christian Organizations. Giving voice to our blogs!
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Job's Counselors: The Misuse of Spiritual Influence

Pearls & Swine PodcastMay 20, 2024

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Job's Counselors: The Misuse of Spiritual Influence

Job's Counselors: The Misuse of Spiritual Influence

The book of Job highlights misguided counseling of abuse victims rooted in black-and-white beliefs, instead of comprehensive biblical theology. Abuse victims are never at fault.

May 20, 202410:43
Zechariah and Toxic Christian Leadership

Zechariah and Toxic Christian Leadership

Zechariah warns of punishment for wicked leaders, calling them to repentance. God ultimately brings judgment and restoration through Jesus. Toxic leaders need to be warned.

Apr 18, 202408:07
The Sin of [Bystander] Complicity: Toxic Followership in the Workplace

The Sin of [Bystander] Complicity: Toxic Followership in the Workplace

It is a sin to fail to act against abuse. Unfortunately, it is all too common for bystanders in the workplace to stand by the toxic boss. Rather, standing up for the victims is essential, despite fears and pressures.

Apr 15, 202407:17
One Story: Drunk with an Image

One Story: Drunk with an Image

Over twenty years ago, my wife and I began considering how we could be used in the cross-cultural mission field. We made the move. It was our first experience with toxic leadership.

Apr 15, 202407:07
Real Change: Peter and Abuse

Real Change: Peter and Abuse

Peter's words for those struggling with abusive or controlling tendencies emphasize the need for inner transformation and repentance.

Feb 29, 202409:57
Abuse in the Bible: But Does it Even Use That Word?

Abuse in the Bible: But Does it Even Use That Word?

The Bible may not include the term "abuse" in some translations, but it uses various words that convey the concept, emphasizing the seriousness and destructive nature of abuse.

Jan 21, 202406:56
Grace Through Criticism: Uzziah - When He Became Strong

Grace Through Criticism: Uzziah - When He Became Strong

We receive grace through criticism. Sixteen-year-old Uzziah ascended to the leadership of Judah after his father’s demise and reigned righteously for much of his 52-year rule. However, his arrogance led to his ruin.

Jan 04, 202407:12
The Gods Have Come Down: The Temptations of Praise

The Gods Have Come Down: The Temptations of Praise

What happens down, deep within you when your subordinates, or even friends, begin to praise your holy name? Does your heart rise up and meet their praises with praises of its own? Does your heart congratulate itself and take on new proportions?

Jan 04, 202411:25
What's in a Title?

What's in a Title?

The dangers of ego and hypocrisy often come into play when titles are a means of image control. It takes the self-examination of motives to avoid toxic leadership and maintain genuine integrity and character within all our spheres of influence.

Dec 22, 202310:26
Lazarus Must Die: When Image Control Takes No Prisoners

Lazarus Must Die: When Image Control Takes No Prisoners

Jesus, after performing the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead, gained followers, threatening the authority of the chief priests and Pharisees. These abusive leaders plotted to both kill Lazarus and defame Jesus to maintain their control. They, like other abusive leaders, used a variety of tactics to suppress the truth and protect their image.

Dec 22, 202305:12
Good Leadership Gone Bad

Good Leadership Gone Bad

Christian leaders struggle maintaining their faith and integrity and King Asa of Judah is a good case study. Asa's godly leadership devolved into toxicity when he refused to trust God, instead depending on human support. Leaders need to constantly rely on God, acknowledge His paramount role, and heed advice from subordinates for continuous growth and strong leadership.

Dec 07, 202309:12
Toxic Survival Guide: The Action Plan – Part 3

Toxic Survival Guide: The Action Plan – Part 3

"The Toxic Boss Survival Guide" provides strategies for dealing with a malicious employer. The book presents a simplified approach to handling a hostile work environment, especially when faced with an abusive boss, but cautioning that hunkering down is not a long-term solution.

Dec 02, 202312:25
Your Guilt Remains: Repentance Means Seeing

Your Guilt Remains: Repentance Means Seeing

John 9 narrates the story of Jesus healing a man born blind on a Sabbath, challenging the rules of the Pharisees. The Pharisees' refuse to acknowledge their sin and Jesus makes clear their guilt remains as long as they think they see but don't.

Dec 02, 202306:17
Toxic Boss Survival Guide: Impact - Part 1

Toxic Boss Survival Guide: Impact - Part 1

The book, "The Toxic Boss Survival Guide," by Chappelow, Ronayne, and Adams, offers strategies for dealing with harmful bosses. It distinguishes between merely "bad" bosses and genuinely "toxic" ones who intentionally cause excessive harm serving their own agenda. The impact of toxic bosses includes increased staff turnover, loss of productivity, and stifling of creativity.

Dec 02, 202308:36
Trauma: Get Out While the Getting's Good

Trauma: Get Out While the Getting's Good

Abuse Trauma creates significant neurological disorder. The Church needs to be a place of safety and healing.

Nov 29, 202312:18
Complicity: Holding Places of Prominence

Complicity: Holding Places of Prominence

Those who make themselves complicit with toxic leadership will often do so due to fear of loss of prominence or privilage. A great example is found in Esther's story.

Nov 22, 202308:15
Mary's Story: Abuse in the Home & Christian Organization

Mary's Story: Abuse in the Home & Christian Organization

Mary's experiences with spiritual abuse in a mission organization and her marriage. In the mission, she faced sexual harassment and the mission's cover up. In her marriage, emotional and psychological abuse, which church elders blamed on her lack of submission to her husband.

Nov 22, 202308:31
Do Not Cover Their Guilt: Imprecatory Praying

Do Not Cover Their Guilt: Imprecatory Praying

Imprecatory Praying: It is a hard topic for Christians to wrap their heads around. When I normally speak of "imprecatory praying" I give qualifications. But Nehemiah, in a display of raw emotion, simply asks the Lord to destroy this enemy of God's people.

Nov 16, 202308:50
Mary's Story: Abuse in the Home & Christian Organization

Mary's Story: Abuse in the Home & Christian Organization

Read Mary's experiences with spiritual abuse in a mission organization and her marriage. In the mission, she faced sexual harassment and the mission's cover up. In her marriage, emotional and psychological abuse, which church elders blamed on her lack of submission to her husband.

Nov 16, 202307:40
Making Too Much of Toxic Church Leadership?

Making Too Much of Toxic Church Leadership?

TAKE TWO: A blogger argues that the focus on bad pastors and their abusive leadership in the Christian community might have been overdone and could overshadow the more common existence of good pastors. I disagree. Churches and Christians are called to judge inside their ranks and expose pastoral abuse when it occurs. The Bible calls for greater accountability for church leaders and warns against tolerating abusive practices in leadership.

Nov 07, 202321:60
Experiencing Psalm 55 Under a Toxic Boss

Experiencing Psalm 55 Under a Toxic Boss

This podcast explores the experiences of employees in Christian organizations working under toxic leadership, likening their situations to King David's pleas in Psalm 55. Despite the expectation of brotherhood and respect, they often face betrayal and manipulation.

Nov 07, 202311:26
Toxic Survival Guide: The Psychology - Part 2

Toxic Survival Guide: The Psychology - Part 2

"The Toxic Boss Survival Guide" provides insights into dealing with toxic bosses. It highlights the importance of managing one's mental attitude, energy, and resilience against the negative pressures generated by toxic bosses. The guide encourages individuals not to let a toxic boss dominate their thoughts, stressing that strength comes from oneself and one's faith.

Nov 01, 202309:51
The Passing of My Mother, Defender of the Vulnerable

The Passing of My Mother, Defender of the Vulnerable

My mother defended me always. She taught her children to defend the vulnerable all her days.

Oct 23, 202303:52
Humility, Like Oil On the Head

Humility, Like Oil On the Head

We are all dependent. We long for respect and love and relationship. But leaders need to depend on God, not our subordinates.

Oct 12, 202306:59
The Fall of Empires and the Narcissist

The Fall of Empires and the Narcissist

As we watch current events unfold we are seeing the results of narcissism in bold and deeply disturbing colors. The short-term positive gains by a toxic leader, I would suggest, can never overcome the long-term devastation caused by their focus on self and the devaluation of people and relationships. 

Oct 09, 202308:16
Wild Grapes: God's Judgment on Power & Oppression

Wild Grapes: God's Judgment on Power & Oppression

People were created to love God and their neighbor. They were created to care for and keep the world. To create flourishing. They were not created to sow power and reap abuse. Isaiah 5 challenges the toxic leadership of many Christian churches and organizations.

Oct 04, 202307:42
Individual Responsibility: But he was raised in abuse!

Individual Responsibility: But he was raised in abuse!

The podcast deliberates on the topic of abusive leaders who learned harmful behaviors from childhood. While some might give such individuals a pass due to their upbringing, the emphasis is that everyone is accountable for their actions, irrespective of their background. Abusers hold responsibility for their actions and must seek repentance and transformation. Christian teachings underscore this principle of individual accountability, urging people to reject oppressive behaviors, even if learned from authority figures or role models.

Oct 02, 202306:07
Sweet Vindication [of God]

Sweet Vindication [of God]

Will the "evil" God returns to my abuser be in this life (through trials and tribulations), the end of his life, or simply in the final judgment? He says, in faithfulness, he will "put an end to them."

Oct 01, 202305:52
Rachel's Story: Tenacious Pursuit of Justice

Rachel's Story: Tenacious Pursuit of Justice

When Rachel Black was struggling to make sense of her abusive pastor, there was no Christianity Today Mars Hill podcasts and seemingly no books on how an employee in a church is to respond to such disregard. All she knew was the "hairs on her arms stood up" as she sought to understand her boss.

Sep 18, 202315:47
Lisa's Victory: A Missionary Horror Story

Lisa's Victory: A Missionary Horror Story

She knew that God was calling her to be a missionary. His seeming commitment to Christ and a future as a missionary "touched" her and they were married. But he can no longer harm Lisa.

Sep 13, 202312:20
All Abuse Ravages Victims: How Does Emotional Abuse Devastate?

All Abuse Ravages Victims: How Does Emotional Abuse Devastate?

Abuse. Devastates. People. Not just the abuse that involves hitting. But abuse of all forms - emotional and spiritual.

Sep 12, 202309:17
Saving a Relationship | Job with an Abuser

Saving a Relationship | Job with an Abuser

Do you want to regain a relationship (reconciliation) with an abuser? Are you seeking to save your job or your marriage? This is a clarion call that the only way a relationship with an abuser will be saved is through his repentance. Hold the line!

Sep 12, 202310:36
Humility: Who's the Chief

Humility: Who's the Chief

Ever wonder what it means to be "godly?" Just consider the "chief of sinners." Maybe humility has something to do with it?

Aug 31, 202309:23
3 Biblical Ways to Respond to Toxic Bosses: Head Up, Down, or Out of Town

3 Biblical Ways to Respond to Toxic Bosses: Head Up, Down, or Out of Town

We may think when we are serving in a Christian ministry that there is a one-way road map when dealing with a self-serving and destructive ministry leader. However, there is more than one response to toxic bosses found in scripture.

Aug 27, 202320:04
Ben and Casandra's Story: Grieving Loss Under Toxic Leadership

Ben and Casandra's Story: Grieving Loss Under Toxic Leadership

It was a very good two years working for a mission college. Now they grieve the loss of what they had in Africa.

Aug 15, 202320:04
Toxic-Free Environment: Finding a Church of Shalom

Toxic-Free Environment: Finding a Church of Shalom

It is not unusual for those who have faced off with toxic leadership in the church to turn from the church. For those seeking a church of shalom, here are some hints.

Aug 07, 202308:03
Seeing Them a Mile Away: How Do I Know They Are Toxic?

Seeing Them a Mile Away: How Do I Know They Are Toxic?

How do I know I am working under a toxic boss? Just as it is seen in domestic violence, abuse in the workplace sometimes is unrecognizable by those who are caught in the fray.

Aug 04, 202306:35
Sure Signs of Toxic Leadership

Sure Signs of Toxic Leadership

There are a number of indicators of abusive leadership and it is important to be able to diagnose toxic leadership and root it out from your organization. Because it will kill your organization.

Jul 26, 202309:53
Gossip, Slander, and Reporting Abuse: Pushing Back on Poor Exegesis

Gossip, Slander, and Reporting Abuse: Pushing Back on Poor Exegesis

One of the most hideous beliefs crushing abuse survivors within our Christian communities is that the ratting out of abusive leadership in the home or workplace is gossip or slander.

Jul 18, 202311:12
Serving Under the Authoritarian Pastor: Jim's Story

Serving Under the Authoritarian Pastor: Jim's Story

“The exercise of authority is designed to serve the well-being of those under its care,” says Timothy Witmer. That seems basic to the Christian, and yet how many bosses view their leadership this way?

Jul 13, 202316:15
[Un]Repentance: The Mark of [Toxic]Leadership

[Un]Repentance: The Mark of [Toxic]Leadership

Godly grief = Repentance..."worldly" grief not so much.

Jul 09, 202308:12
Trauma by Swine #3: Looking for Healing

Trauma by Swine #3: Looking for Healing

The fear that many experience as they come face-to-face with an abusive leader can create different reactions. Psychologists often talk of “fight, flight, or freeze” reflexes. God has given us a built-in mechanism in our brain that helps us respond to dangerous situations – physical or emotional. An understanding of what is happening in the brain when faced with trauma is opening fascinating avenues of healing.

Jun 13, 202308:24
Trauma by Swine #2: A Good Creation and Effects of the Fall

Trauma by Swine #2: A Good Creation and Effects of the Fall

We are “fearfully and wonderfully made” according to David. However, we live in a time of strange in-betweenness! Trauma creates broken brains.

Jun 11, 202307:24
Trauma by Swine: Steven's Story

Trauma by Swine: Steven's Story

When Steven joined a large Christian parachurch organization he was excited to be in an influential position to spread God’s Word. He was warned that the organization was “dysfunctional” and it only took a short time for the dysfunction to catch up to him.

Jun 10, 202307:24
Spreading Like a Tree: Grace to Rescue the Innocent

Spreading Like a Tree: Grace to Rescue the Innocent

Forgive and forget. Don't judge. Remember we are all sinners. There are actually times when grace means to pronounce judgment and bring accountability. This podcast looks at Psalm 37 and David's challenging words to help survivors remember God is on their side.

May 31, 202308:10
What is Real Repentance: a Biblical Change of Heart

What is Real Repentance: a Biblical Change of Heart

We often focus on man's actions in determining whether genuine repentance has taken place. However, repentance is much more than this and our understanding of it will make a significant difference in how we look at those called to repentance after crushing others under their authority or power.

May 23, 202310:29
Deal With the Elephant: Whose Sin Is It?

Deal With the Elephant: Whose Sin Is It?

I have often heard survivors of abusive leaders in the home and workplace confess their sins and in some way suggest the abuse they are living under is somehow a necessary result of their sin. Do not be distracted by the wiles of the abuser as he projects his sin upon his victim.

May 17, 202308:06
Aaron's Story: Pastor as Predator

Aaron's Story: Pastor as Predator

I could tell in our discussion that Aaron was the dream employee. But, after two years of serving in the church, Aaron came home to his wife and shared with her, “I think Pastor Gene has a man-crush on me.”

May 09, 202316:22
Lisa's Story: Leaving Abuse As a Conqueror

Lisa's Story: Leaving Abuse As a Conqueror

"I soon realised something was wrong in my marriage, but I couldn’t put my finger on it." How Lisa, a missionary, found freedom from an abusive husband.

May 02, 202317:37
Susie and the Dictator: Assisting an Authoritarian Pastor

Susie and the Dictator: Assisting an Authoritarian Pastor

Susie's story is not uncommon. Her story is an example of a church work environment that is destructive and extraordinarily complex because highly authoritarian leadership is destructive and extraordinarily complex.

Apr 20, 202321:40