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In episode 53, we are joined by pastor, author, podcast host, and public theologian, Trey Ferguson and talking with him about his new book Theologizin' Bigger. We’ll also talk about reading the Bible, the deconstruction movement, politics, God’s commitment to our wholeness, and why the middle ground isn’t actually holy.

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In episode 52, I am going to be sharing a few pastoral thoughts on the recent happenings around the “Let Us Worship” event here in Spokane that featured white Christian Nationalist Sean Feucht, Spokane Mayor Nadine Woodward, Matt Shea, and others, and offer a few pastoral responses to what I experienced.

In episode 51, we are joined by scholar, writer, and Gonzaga University professor, Dr. Joan Braune and talking with her about empathy and fascism. We’ll talk about how we can organize and oppose fascism in our every day lives, and how people of faith can live with integrity in the face of the ongoing threat of Christo-fascism.

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In episode 50, we are joined by Sarah Dixit, and talking with her about voting. We’ll also talk about evangelicalism, Democrats, abortion access, moving away from our inherited beliefs, and how we can love our neighbors well by voting to create a world where we all can flourish. 

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In episode 48, we are joined by Jonny Rashid, and talking with him about his new book Jesus Takes A Side. We’ll also talk about the future of Christianity, Christian Nationalism, white supremacy, the harm of the third way, how much salt you need while cooking, and why bipartisanship in the church doesn’t work.

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In episode 47, we are joined by Damon Garcia, and talking with him about his new book The God Who Riots— Taking Back the Radical Jesus. We’ll also talk about liberation theology, capitalism in the church, abolition, forgiveness, marginalized communities, and how we can live into a better way forward, together.

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In episode 46, we are joined by Tori Glass and talking with her about leaving Evangelicalism. We're also neuroscience, white supremacy, capitalism, bad theology, Christian Nationalism, and why Republican politics is inseparable from white evangelicalism. 

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In episode 44, we are joined by Greg, Ariel, and Kayla and talking with them about Maverick City Music. We’ll also talk about gospel music, Black artists placating to white audiences, respectability politics, capitalism, intersectionality, the white gaze, and what we do moving forward for worship music.

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In episode 43, we are joined by Camille Hernandez and talking with her about purity culture in the church. We're also talking about trauma, militarization, the consent of Jesus, violence, decolonization, and how we can move forward in the way of Jesus and see restoration and healing in our communities.

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In episode 42, we are joined by Dr. Nikia Smith Robert and talking with her about carceral logic and abolition. We’ll also talk about Womanist theology, her non-profit Abolition Sanctuary, Black motherhood, atonement theories, and the role that abolition has and will continue to play in the church in the years ahead.

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In (bonus!) episode 41 we are joined by Sena Hughes Lauer and talking with her about the harm of Mother's Day in the church. We'll also talk gender roles, God as Mother, and how we can create spaces where elevation women is an integral part of church life.

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In episode 40, we are joined by Nick Laparra, and talking with him about why and how he left evangelicalism. We’ll also talk about his podcast Let’s Give a Damn, Calvinist theology, smoking cigars, living in New York City, making people mad on social media, and what it looks like for us to be a damn-givers who care about seeing the world become a better place. 

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In episode 39 we are joined by the amazing Kat Armas and talking with her about the unnamed and overlooked theologians of our faith. We’ll also talk about her book Abuelita Faith, hermeneutics, women in the Scripture, growing up in conversation church spaces, and what it looks like for us to center and learn from abuelita theologians and discover what liberation for all of us looks like.

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In episode 38 we're talking spiritual abuse. It's been 3 years to the day since we were fired and excommunicated from our church in Vancouver, BC. Here are 5 lessons and a word of encouragement for anyone who's experienced spiritual abuse. If you don't have anyone to talk to about your experience, please reach out to us. We'd love to hold space alongside you for whatever you're feeling.

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In episode 37 we are joined by the amazing Rev. June Joplin and talking with her about gender binaries in the church. We’ll also talk about her journey of coming out, how patriarchy affects our our theology, how we can break down toxic and oppressive binaries, and how our trans/non-binary/gnc siblings help us know God better.

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In episode 36, we are joined by Rohadi, and talking with him about the whiteness of deconstruction. We’ll also talk about how his upcoming book When We Belong, pastoral ministry in Canada, and how we can move forward to reclaim Christianity on the Margins.

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In episode 35 we are joined by THE Brandi Miller and talking with her about white supremacy and spiritual formation. We’ll also talk about patriarchy, her podcast Reclaiming My Theology, and how we can create and form a community experience around faith deconstruction and reconstruction that isn’t led by white men.

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In episode 34, we are joined by Julia Feldman-DeCoudreaux and talking with them about what it looks like to be embody sex positivity and have access to helpful sex education. We’ll also talk about human development, what abstinence only sex ed gets wrong, and how we can learn to have more empowering, inclusive, medically accurate, and compassionate conversations about sex.

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In episode 33 we are joined by Donna Burkland, and talking with her about patriarchy and women in church planting. We’ll also talk about interfaith marriage, deconstruction, toxic theology, and how white faith leaders and can de-center themselves and help facilitate communities of liberation, anti-racism, and inclusion.

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EPISODE 31

Today, we are joined by Avery Arden, and talking with them about Trans Christianity. We’ll also talk about their podcast Blessed Are The Binary Breakers, the transness of Jesus, and how we can learn to center the perspective and experience of our trans siblings and see heaven come to earth.

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EPISODE 30

Today, I am joined by Greg Mason, and talking with him about how white supremacy shaped his view of God, faith, and theology. We’ll also talk about his podcast the Decolonized Christian podcast and how we can learn to do faith in a way that leads to the liberation of everyone.

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EPISODE 29

Today, I am joined by Dr. Angela Parker, and talking with her about her new book, If God Still Breathes, Why Can’t I?: Black Lives Matter and Biblical Authority. We’ll also talk womanist theology, hermeneutics, and how inerrancy is a tool of white supremacy and authoritarianism used to oppress and control people.

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EPISODE 28

Today, I am joined by Sharifa Stevens, and talking with her about women in ministry, how we’ve mishandled Bible verses and used them to oppress women, and we as the church can reorient ourselves and learn to center women, specifically women of color, and build our theology from their perspective.

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EPISODE 26

We are joined by Nathaniel Green and having a conversation about his experience in and around mega-church evangelicalism. We’ll talk about the pitfalls of the mega-church, why people are leaving it, and what progressive Christianity has to offer us as we move into healthier and more liberating ways of doing faith, community, and theology.

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EPISODE 25

Today, we're talking about a little shift happening on the Kings and Queens podcast! Tune in to hear more!

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EPISODE 24

Today, we are joined by the amazing Irene Cho to talk about her experience in Youth Ministry and how we, as the church, can move out of spaces of toxic theology and abusive patterns of discipleship with our young people and move into liberating, inclusive, and empowering spaces of hope and love. This is SUCH a helpful episode, specifically for those who are currently working with young people. Don't miss it!

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EPISODE 23

I am joined by my friend Kyle Cryan to talk about his experience in Bible college and the way he’s using his social media to give voice to those who’ve experienced harassment, discrimination, and abuse at Clarks Summit University. We’ll also talk about empathy and how film and art help us learn the heart of God for ourselves and others.

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We are joined by an incredible friend, pharmacist, and low-key pastor, Dr. Eva Oriakhi, to talk about her experience in and around white evangelicalism, and how she helped lead a Coalition of Racial Justice in Portland, Oregon. We’ll also hear her thoughts on how we, as the church, can move out of spaces of white supremacy, patriarchy, and oppression, and into spaces of liberation, inclusion, and love.

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EPISODE 20

I had the opportunity to sit down with filmmaker, father-to-be, and former XXX Church employee, PJ Gal-Szabo, to have a conversation about the harmful and toxic narratives of purity culture. This was a really healing and restorative conversation for both of us and PJ has so much wisdom and insight to offer throughout the episode. 

Note: This is a very honest and vulnerable conversation around some pretty sensitive issues. So for those of you who have trauma around purity culture, be advised and please listen with discretion.

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EPISODE 19

I recently got the chance to sit down with the incredible Darren Calhoun to talk about the recent Montero (Call Me By Your Name) music video by Lil Nas X that is making white evangelicals SO MAD, and hear his thoughts on how the future of the church can be one of liberation, inclusion, freedom, and celebration.

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In our 18th episode, we’re talking about a few of the non-profits and partnerships that we support and are involved with here in Spokane. Since we are bivocational (only work at a church part time), we raise support to supplement our income. We thought we'd give our listeners a little glimpse into our vision for support raising and some of the organizations we love to partner with in our city.

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In our 17th episode, we’re talking about grief in death, joy in celebration, and the importance of the work of racial justice. This episode was recorded in response to the recent passing of our Grammy Mavis. We love you, Grammy!!

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In our 16th episode, we’re talking about how our power and privilege can often lead to toxic theology and bad Bible reading. We'll look at how Jesus leveraged his power and privilege for the inclusion, affirmation, freedom, healing, salvation, and liberation for the people who were most marginalized, oppressed, abused, and rejected by society. Joseph shares a little bit about his journey with toxic theology and offers a few questions for those who might still currently hold to various forms of toxic theology, doctrine, or hermeneutics. 

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In our 15th episode, we’re talking about our 2021 Rule of Life and answering the question “who am I becoming by what I am doing.” Our rule of life is a schedule and set of habits and relational rhythms that help us create space to be present to ourselves, God, and others, as we learn to abide in Jesus and become the best version of ourself. Essentially, it helps us dismantle my destructive rhythms and routines that prohibit us from pursuing life to the full and helps us live in alignment with our deepest passions, desires, and priorities In this episode, we both share a few of our goals for 2021 and give some tips on how to develop your own rule of life. 

If you're interested in making your own, we've created an easy template for you! Click either of the links below, listen in, and 

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EPISODE 14

In this episode, we’re starting a series of episodes centered around the topics of justice, white supremacy, white Evangelicalism, and how they all impact every area of our lives. We'll talk about what it's like to navigate these topics/conversations in majority white spaces and how we can begin the journey of justice in our own lives.

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EPISODE 13

In this episode, we’re excited to be joined by our dad/father-in-law Dr. Dwight Peterson, as we talk about spiritual formation and what it’s like to still be in ministry in your 60’s.

We'll discuss the challenges of growing up in a white evangelical culture and how millennials and boomers (and others) can co-exist and learn from one another.

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We’re talking about what we call “thin spaces.” These are times and places where Heaven and Earth seem uniquely close and God manifests Himself in a tangible and profound way. Nicole will share about her experience on Girl Trip where God met her in an incredible way.

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We are moving!! Goodbye Portland, hello... Washington?!

In our 11th and final episode of Season 1, we’re going to give a little update on our life, talk about the next chapter in our ministry journey, and share how you can support us over the next few years!

We are taking a short break from our regular episodes and we're doing a mini series talking about Naming and Praying through Disappointment. In these 5 episodes, our goal is not to “free” ourselves from disappointment, but rather to learn how to process our disappointment before God in an emotionally healthy way that leads to our formation into the image of Jesus.

If you’ve been experiencing any kind of disappointment, grief, or frustration with the circumstances of your life as it currently is, join us as we process our emotions before God and find rest for our disappointment souls.

We are taking a short break from our regular episodes and we're doing a mini series talking about Naming and Praying through Disappointment. In these 5 episodes, our goal is not to “free” ourselves from disappointment, but rather to learn how to process our disappointment before God in an emotionally healthy way that leads to our formation into the image of Jesus.

If you’ve been experiencing any kind of disappointment, grief, or frustration with the circumstances of your life as it currently is, join us as we process our emotions before God and find rest for our disappointment souls.

We are taking a short break from our regular episodes and we're doing a mini series talking about Naming and Praying through Disappointment. In these 5 episodes, our goal is not to “free” ourselves from disappointment, but rather to learn how to process our disappointment before God in an emotionally healthy way that leads to our formation into the image of Jesus.

If you’ve been experiencing any kind of disappointment, grief, or frustration with the circumstances of your life as it currently is, join us as we process our emotions before God and find rest for our disappointment souls.

We are taking a short break from our regular episodes and we're doing a mini series talking about Naming and Praying through Disappointment. In these 5 episodes, our goal is not to “free” ourselves from disappointment, but rather to learn how to process our disappointment before God in an emotionally healthy way that leads to our formation into the image of Jesus.

If you’ve been experiencing any kind of disappointment, grief, or frustration with the circumstances of your life as it currently is, join us as we process our emotions before God and find rest for our disappointment souls.

We are taking a short break from our regular episodes and we're doing a mini series talking about Naming and Praying through Disappointment. In these 5 episodes, our goal is not to “free” ourselves from disappointment, but rather to learn how to process our disappointment before God in an emotionally healthy way that leads to our formation into the image of Jesus.

If you’ve been experiencing any kind of disappointment, grief, or frustration with the circumstances of your life as it currently is, join us as we process our emotions before God and find rest for our disappointment souls.

In our fourth episode, we’re going to talk about how we approach dating being married. We’ll share some of our successes and struggles and offer a few suggestions on what we’ve learned over the last 7 years of marriage.

Depending on your life circumstances, living situation, finances, and family dynamics, dating while married can either be the easiest aspect of marriage or the hardest. In this podcast, we'll look at 3 insights we've gained over the years. None of these insights are revolutionary or groundbreaking but they do offer a unique perspective on dating in the Kingdom of God. 

Singles, don't skip ahead! There's plenty to glean from this episode even if you're single. You're vital to the Kingdom of God!