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Running Anthropologist

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Dedicated to exploring the culture of running while learning from mentors, icons and everyday explorers, and to sharing the most unique runs across the US and the globe! Join our movement as we learn together about what motivates us to discover more, about ourselves and the communities we run through... We will have a new featured guest or group each episode and invite you to message us on social media and share your favorite running stories! Dig deeper on our blogsite:
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Pilgrimage and Poetry: Featuring Bob Shea (Musical Therapist, Running Explorer & Writer)

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Pilgrimage and Poetry: Featuring Bob Shea (Musical Therapist, Running Explorer & Writer)

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Life with G-ma, featuring Jan Dennis
This episode is all about Gma, our family nickname for my grandmother, Jan Dennis. The interview featured here took place during our many hours of free time in the pandemic year, and I actually spoke with her several times about her life stories and running. I remember as a teenager I oohed and ahhed over the crates full of race t-shirts she had accumulated, forming a colorful patchwork of training years and adventures with friends and family over the years. Each t-shirt had a story, which she could recall at a moment's notice, and probably tell you the youth and adult contenders and their stories too! Many of those years in her adult life were marked by training for and traveling to races, and then cheering for the next generation at cross country and track meets. She adopted all of us and encouraged/followed us as if we were her own children, even married-to grandchildren like myself. In this interview, we also discuss what it was like to grow up on a farm and memories of the great depression, and a bit about being a woman in sports and college life shortly after WWII. Aside from the running though, Gma was a lifelong endurance athlete: raising 5 children of her own and managing and early-rising bakery, as well as a builder of community and family. She had a knack for knowing everything about each of us, children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. As I finished college and started my own career (and completed my first marathon in Detroit International), I recall how I began to recognize her abundant wisdom in dedicating so much time to these few commitments, but making them truly quality ones; Her purpose in life was easy to see as she invested in each of us continually. And I would say it paid off. Speaking for myself, I always felt like I had someone in my corner, and someplace I could escape to if I just needed a break from the hectic world of striving and being tested. Here I was unconditionally accepted (and teased, and taught to remember to laugh at myself). This is probably the greatest skill and lesson I have learned from my "Dennis extended family": if you can laugh at yourself and your mistakes (not take myself and my goals too seriously, which I naturally do), you'll not only have much less stress, but also no one can surprise you by revealing your foolishness and foibles- you already know them! I try to do the same in my life now, not over-extending but asking myself daily what I truly value and committing the lion's share of my time to that. This is the best testament to Gma: All of her grandchildren and great grandchildren adore her and I daresay even listen to her, venerating sometimes "ancient" values of honesty, hard work and keeping commitments. I saw this when she would drive hours to attend one of my important races or games through high school and college, or more recently make it to my wedding in her later years despite not driving (thanks to my uncle). I couldn't be happier to share this interview with you, and would love to hear more stories about everything and from everyone- please feel free to leave some in the COMMENTS section at the website below!
January 18, 2021
Conscious Running in 2021, with Lisah Hamilton - Performance & Functional Movement Specialist
Lisah Hamilton is interested in helping us be more conscious of our movements and mental approach to running, as well as how we see ourselves. Her perspective on gives us insight into the emerging culture of conscious running, and is yet another example of the incredible diversity of that serves to make our distance running community better: holistic and more sustainable. Among others, she also sees some promise and opportunity arising from our Covid-changed world, and what we as runners have/have not been able to do during this past year. It might be a time of reorientation and being conscious of our training, our routines. In our first episode of 2021, she talks about how she sees the culture of running changing to be more inward-looking, and what we can do to join this process. She has been helping runners for 20 years as "The Conscious Runner", to recondition and re-frame, prevent injury and meet individual goals- but mostly empowering others to fully enjoy movement and running again! She herself has been a competitive distance runner for over 25 years, and working in the field of functional movement, and is a trained performance specialist. Finally, Lisah offers the perspective of "an outsider" as a competitive swimmer from her beginnings, who came to the mainland US from the Virgin Islands, of St. Croix at 18 years of age. Her alternative perspective on body-mind-spirit connectivity thus give us insight as well, and adds to endurance athletics more knowledge of our movement and overall health. She also knows there is much more to be done, and wants to make us a part of it, thus she provides some training for free around these methods (or options to have more in-depth 1:1 services at a cost). Please find her at and reach out with any questions about her practice! Leave us a message on IG or Facebook @runninganthropologist. Also find photos and more links from this episode and all past ones at our blogsite:
January 10, 2021
Light Emerges from the Darkness & Our 2020 Run-Down
In our last episode of 2020, we look for the light of hope just around the next bend, amidst great suffering & a year of global reckoning with the pandemic… none of us are immune and we all need an outlet. This has given the outdoor/trail and distance running community a unique perspective, if not a bitter-sweet boost. Today, Meghan and Mark discuss the theme of “emerging light from darkness” (winter solstice) across cultural traditions from around the globe, and throughout history, in the first half of the episode. In the second half we interview Fr./Brother Anthony Aarons, a former Franciscan and dedicated distance runner, who hails from Jamaica and applies his unique insight to his job as a chaplain. At the Running Anthropologist project and in our 2020 recap specifically, we try to take a reflective look at the cultures and peoples representing the diversity of our human experience, and then hone in on running and what these practices mean to us. Many of us have faced ourselves with a more sobering clarity in 2020, forced to slow down and look deeply at all our practices, often isolated from a community of support- we’ve learned much and have much to learn! Forming a tiny fraction of this communal knowledge, we share our favorite (audio)books, apps, and races of 2020. Here are the “Top of 2020” from Running Anthropologist by category: Audio Book- Sacred Economics by Charles Eisenstein; Print Book- Still “Epic Runs of the World” by Lonely Planet, Ap- Insight Timer (world’s largest & free meditation app- search “Lane Holbert” under teachers to find a few of ours produced this year); Races: X-country Marathon, Half Marathon and Ultra in Alafia, Florida, the Publix Atalanta Marathon and the Princess Challenge weekend at Disney (Meghan). Links to all these can be found on our website, we received no sponsorship or advertising credit for anything, just things we liked and we relied upon in 2020. ————— As always, please share this episode with others if you find it inspiring & subscribe or leave a review for us from wherever you are listening! Our blogsite is and we can also be found @runninganthropologist on Facebook and Instagram!
December 27, 2020
Beth Evans, on Wheelchair Racing & The Magic of it All
Beth is a champion endurance athlete and barely lets on when you meet her or talk to her about the sport she is now helping to shape, move forward and inspire change. She carries that magic with her, or perhaps gathers it to share back out, from Disney Races around the globe. Beth is from London, where it is hard to race a wheelchair around most streets and even harder during Covid times. But she has a lot of motivation in sharing the sport with the next generation and finding her happy place of sanity through movement. In a few short years, she has made a name for herself in the "most magical of racing locations". For her, Disney is the entire package and gives her a reason to keep training, something to look forward to around the next bend... Speaking of which, there are many bends on a track when one is training for distance events like the marathon and half marathon, which she has been doing the past year! Beth shares some of her perspectives on why the sport is growing and so important to people with disabilities and rare diseases like her own that prevent her from running or doing most other sports competitively. She tells the story of her own start, and how others encouraged and inspired her, starting with witness the London 2012 Paralympics which inspired me to get my first racing wheelchair. For Beth, the terms "running", "racing" and "wheeling/wheelchair racing" are interchangeable as she connects with and understands the challenges everyone faces in training for and completing a long distance endurance event. One of her greatest hopes is that she'll be able to help spread awareness and open up events for more young racers on wheels, including smaller and regional races that might not have thought it possible. She consults with many back in Britain and appreciates the opportunity to help, even in small ways. In this interview, she also recalls one of her highlights of being medaled at Buckingham Palace in the interview, as she was born and raised in London. At the age of 16 she started experiencing health problems, and 3 years later was diagnosed with the rare condition of Hereditary Spastic Paraplegia. Since she received her first racing chair, she has faced many struggles with training and anxiety around competitions, but has found her niche and now races all over her home country, but mostly participates in "Run Disney" events. In fact she has now won half marathon titles in 3 different countries and currently has 16 champion titles at Disney alone. A trip down photo lane reveals more medals than can be held up on one neck at a given time! Most of all, she says, "I like to share what I have learnt on Instagram at BethsWheels to help new wheelchair racers get in to the sport at an amateur level... and spreading the joy of running at Disney!" Follow her on Instagram @BethsWheels and find out simple ways to support newcomers to the sport! To support us, you can also subscribe, share the episodes you love and like/visit our Facebook page @RunningAnthropologist
December 4, 2020
Running Multi-Day Challenges & Relays, feat. Rush Darwish & Team members
This episode features the Chairman and Co-Founder of The Refugee Life Foundation Rush Darwish (pictured above), who shares with us how and why The Refugee Life Foundation started, and the Running Refugees Relays shortly thereafter to fill a great need. Rush's calling: "he works to help disenfranchised children from war-torn countries gain access to free medical care. Over the years, he has helped to raise over a million dollars for needy children through the formation of various fundraising efforts focused on 5K races and marathons." He is a natural leader for this cause and serves on the Board of Directors of AMVOTE PAC, an organization dedicated to promoting voter registration, voter information and voter empowerment. Rush is an avid runner, marathoner, and Iron Man Triathlon Finisher, and works especially hard to support refugee families. He hopes to expand the relays to be unique events that partner social justice, advocacy and help of our most vulnerable people in the world. To donate to the team & Refugee Families: This episode also featured four of the runners on our Relay team, Matt and Eila Buszco who ran/walked their miles in the mountains of Vietnam, where they do grassroots work supporting local farmers markets and independent farmers. They share their experience in Vietnam and why refugees and other people in movement are important to them. Second, Andrew Frey ran both Running Anthropologist's monthlong "5K A DAY" challenge and the final weekend of the Running Refugees Relay, which finished the challenge just before our US elections. Andrew is a british marathoner who came to the US as a Fulbrighter and stayed with his family to be an infectious disease researcher at the University of South Florida. He shares some of his thoughts on the international refugee crisis and why he joined, as well as differences between a traditional marathon and a 262 mile team relay! Finally, Kristy Powell Wynn joins us to talk about her Runners World Running Streak of just over 170 days, shooting to break 200 before 2020. Kristy is an inspiring member of the running community and shares her experiences in several challenges, running from her home town of Atlanta, GA- and why she believes in this particular cause. She offers some words of wisdom for others setting out on long distance challenges! The 5k a Day remembrance gave us a chance to honor those who have passed in 2020, as suggetsed by members of our Running Anthropologist community. These included health care workers and teachers who passed from Covid, along with pastors and distaster relief workers, those who serve the elderly and children, as well as those who serve others in addiction counseling/recovery work. Lastly, we included several individuals (representing many) who died for no good reason whatsoever from police violence or racial profiling in the United States. Finally, our final weekend we took up the Running Refugees Relay to finish with a 262 mile journey across Florida. Due to Covid and travel concerns many ran virtually, but about half of us did our miles on the ground in Flordia, and started on the coast in Tampa Bay, Florida- journeying northeast to our other coast near St. Augustine. We are grateful to all who have supported this fantastic cause, and encourage you to learn more at We will post more updates about upcoming teams and relays in the spring on our facebook page @runninganthropologist! Until then, Happy Running!
November 12, 2020
Running Refugees Relay across Florida
Traversing 262 miles across the state of Florida with a team of 10, representing a global cause. From St.Pete beach up the coast, cutting inland through Ocala National Forest to St.Augustine! Some are on the ground in Florida and some joining virtually, our long weekend challenge participants are interviewed here as to the motivation behind the challenge, “for Refugees, and in honor of the many souls we've lost this past year, but especially for all those who are not free to move.” - host Mark Lane Holbert. In this episode Mark interviews Alex Vernon, Moody Elbarasi and Steffi Kauss... all of them give unique insight into our cause and why we run! Please share if you too find this a valuable venture, join/follow us on Facebook @runninganthropologist, through their website or and PLEASE consider donating to this worthy cause at
November 2, 2020
Celtic Culture & Pandemic Running, featuring musician Marc Gunn
Marc Gunn is an acclaimed musician and storyteller, on the cultural rhythm and lore of history and fantasy, and hosts the most popular Irish and Celtic music podcast out there, performs and produces his own fusion music on the autoharp, as well as hosting cultural tour "invasions" of all places Celtic! In this episode, we are treated to some of his uniquely Irish-American wit and story of how he began running during the 2020 pandemic, and just kept going! Great for runners of all levels to hear, he recounts why getting started can be difficult, but the joy of discovering newly being able to run and run and run. He also treats us to a few of his original songs, and his exploration of albums over time, which also explore how the Irish diaspora has influenced folk, rock, pop and even jazz in the United States. . He calls his unique genre "Sci F'Irish music", which fuses his love of science fiction, fantasy, and comedy with his Scots-Irish heritage. In this episode, we feature songs about elves, hobbits, dragons to cats, all of course mixed with some familiar Irish pub tunes. He tells us about "Selcouth", which means “when everything is strange and different, yet you find it marvelous anyway.” What is Celtic exactly? We get into the diversity of Celtic culture, from Scotland and Wales to las Celtas in Galacia, Spain to Celts in Brittany, France, and of course the roaming global Irish expats, who have plotted little cultural embassies in every corner of the globe through Irish Pubs. Marc is open and enthusiastic towards discussing a wide range of interpretation of Celtic culture and influence, from Renaissance Festivals to SciFi fantasy conventions, which allow us to again have a sense of wonder and imagination. Indeed, much of the history of Ireland is transmuted through song and lore (oral storytelling and written prose), an artistic view of a world that interweaves the spiritual fabric into everyday life, and interpretations of the natural world. Songs we feature in this episode, in order of appearance: 1- As Long as I'm Flying (Title Track), 2018 -2- Gypsy Rover (How America Saved Irish Music) -3- Name on My Soul (Title Track, Kilted Kings), 2017 -4- Jedi's Dargle (Sci Fi Drinking Songs), 2014 -5- New Basin Canal (How America Saved Irish Music), 2014 -6- Furrigone's Wake (The Cat Lover's Companion: Irish Drinking Songs for Cat Lovers), 2007 -7- Elves (Don't Go Drinking with Hobbits), 2018 Check out his website and podcast ... Run/walk or movement in any form to some beautiful and well curated music from a diverse array of global musicians, there are sure to be some fun times, some energetic times, and some downright enthralling stories in his music as well: You can find/follow his music on Youtube and Spotify! You can also find our blogsite at Please subscribe and share with like-minded explorers!
September 27, 2020
The New Civil Rights- Movement & Our Relationships, with Life Coach Jomil Bell
Jomil Bell joins us for a special Labor Day edition of the Running Anthropologist and shares her work of highlighting American stories within the context of "The New Civil Rights Movement". She also reflects on personal movement of the body, mind & spirit, and creating change from within through our thoughts, actions. Jomil is a Dual Certified Life & Relationship Coach supporting others in building healthy relationships, with self and others. By exploring our individual and collective stories, we can learn much more about what motivates us and how we might "move". Jomil comes from a familial line of social rights activists, pastors and organizers, and furthermore believes strongly in the power of movement and connectedness to our natural environments, weather that be from run/walking, swimming or biking. In her life coaching, she shares some great examples of victories brought about by nurturing these connections with body movement and building a positive relationship with oneself, and the stories one tells oneself. We also discuss Relationship Coaching, an effective system of support that allows many to overcome fear, change habits, and achieve personal goals. We discuss how life coaching, specifically relationship coaching, provides fuel and tools for the holistic healing of social relationships and the systems that shape our lives. She also discusses her most recent project of telling stories of Black Americans through "American Griots", which has had an amazingly introspective and timely take on what is going on in America. In terms of healthy relationships, Jomil notes that "by reflecting and re-calibrating the internal relationships we have with the systems that socialize us, we can shift our relationship and the paradigm with those systems". On a more personal level, Jomil is a wife and mom of two vibrant little girls, the creatress of a women's empowerment movement, a poet, the author of a self-coaching workbook, the creator and content curator for The Griots Podcast. For more information about Jomil, and all the work she does in coaching individuals and teams or holding workshops, please visit: Please also subscribe and share this podcast with like-minded folks, and join us on our Facebook page or blog site to stay connected or send us a message. More information on this and all past episodes can be found at
September 7, 2020
Mario Mendoza on Faith, Hope, and Mountains
Ultra running mentor and one of our few Latino role models in the long distance & Ultra world, Mario Mendoza uses the unique space he occupies for goals much bigger than himself and his own goals. With typical Mario humility, he sits down with us to talk about a few of his best race experiences, which helped re-define how he sees himself and the world. Born American, but growing up in a Mexican culture with immigrant parents, his passion to be a bridge between the two cultures shines through projects like: The Beautiful Feet Project. We hear about this in the many relationships he is building locally and internationally with young runners; giving all kids he encounters a better understanding of themselves and their true value, a message filled with hope and faith. Runner or not, his vision and message is inspiring for all of us in 2020. Could the year of setbacks and pandemic be a year of invitation into deeper relationships of reflection and purpose? Mario explains how. A little bit about the platform he has earned and where his works of engaging with the mountains and gratefulness have brought him: Mario Mendoza was awarded the title of Ultra Runner of the Year (USATF and TrailMag) last year in 2019. He is five time USA Trail National Champion, four time USA Trail Runner of the Year, three time top American runner at Trail World Championships, and ranked number 9 Ultra Runner of the Year. He "feels most alive" and connected to God in mountain running, and loves sharing this vision for the world and our connection with all of creation. He also shares how we are missing these connections in our modern society and why they are so important for our development. A runner, a pastor, a speaker, and husband, he smoothly connects the lessons from endurance racing in the mountains to all aspects of our lives, "to the race that every person is running in life". You can follow him on Instagram @mendozarunner and link to fundraisers such as the Go Fund Me campaign he hosts for youth running camps every year, granting access to many that would not otherwise have it- to immerse in nature and receive outstanding guidance in many facets of life. See more at: Beautiful Feet Project motto: "How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news..." -Isaiah 52:7 Inspired by Mario's talk? Possible follow-up from this are Daily Devotionals/Morning Meditations with an online community: Seedbed Daily Scripture reflection and prayer: Center for Action and Contemplation Daily Meditation: Dynamic Running Therapy- Free App, or Book (combat anxiety, depression with a companion for movement & run/walk guided therapy) Learn more and see photos about this episode and all our previous ones at Please subscribe to the podcast, share it with like-minded running anthropologists, and give us a rating on itunes! Also, we'd love to hear from you on our blog site or Facebook page.
August 28, 2020
Eric Eichinger on Eric Liddell: Chariots of Fire & The Final Race
Welcome back to the summer edition of the Running Anthropologist podcast, exploring the culture (and history) of running, and especially those who inspire us on the road, trails and in life! Our featured running guest this month is Eric Eichinger, the author of The Final Race, a biography about Eric Liddell (film "Chariots of Fire", based upon his appearance in the 1924 Olympic Games). In this episode, we learn more about his most inspirational accomplishments that actually came after the Olympics. These life stories penned by Eichinger echo Liddell's unwavering commitment to his faith and compassion for both sport and others whom he loved and served. Eric shares many more parallels with his own life and Liddell's in this 45 minute interview. Eric Eichinger also ran competitively: varsity track and field at his alma mater Michigan State University, before also serving in China for several years, like the Scottish Olympic champion Liddell. Also like Liddell, he worked in youth ministry and was drawn to seminary, and finally ordained into the office of the holy ministry (in 2006). Eric includes some glimpses into important breakthroughs in Christian theology, and some debates that still persist in today. What was the life of this introverted humble man, the world's fastest individual in his day who inspired millions roughly a century ago? Throughout Eric's new book and multiple projects available for exploration at his website, his voice of compassion shines, an affirmation of human dignity, especially for the marginalized; Relationships are the heart of God's living kingdom, and humans are made in His image -- first and foremost, to love. The story in a nutshell: Olympian, missionary, and pastor Eric Liddell sacrificed comfort, fame & fortune, and ultimately his life to share this message with those in need in China for almost two decades. He was born and died in China, served there during tremendous social upheaval, during the depression and World War II, where he was a teacher, hospital administrator, coach of many sports, and in his final years an internment camp minister and forced resident due to the Japanese occupation of China. There’s much, much more to this story and to Eric’s journey in telling it in this episode! We hope you’ll join in our little movement by subscribing to the podcast and sharing it with others. You can learn about all of Eric's projects on his website: Follow us at @RunningAnthropologist on Facebook/Instagram, & visit our blog site for more information on this, and all past episodes!
July 24, 2020
Inclusion & Independence, with “Marathon” Marko Cheseto
Have you ever met a person who is so incredibly filled with positivity, you know that they cannot fail no matter what is thrown at them? That is Marko Chesto, the dual prosthetics (blade runner) marathon World Record holder, set at the 2019 Chicago Marathon. In this interview we discuss why this comes naturally to him, based upon growing up with challenge as part of every day in rural Kenya. We also touch on social justice and the parallels with running in terms of work and building communities of support. Part of his attitude and willingness to engage in "difficult" things is due to his community, and lessons learned about success coming from hard work, daily progress. Each time he has put in the work required, things happen. This analogy carries later into the episode about the hard work our nation has ahead of uniting and facing age-old problems. Not only was he given a ticket to collegiate athletics at the University of Alaska, Anchorage, but he saw this experience as an opportunity to learn and travel across the diverse cultures of the United States. He was a successful collegiate athlete, but his true successes came amidst one of the greatest challenges to his life and running career in November of 2011: losing both of his feet to frostbite after being stranded in the ice while on a run in Alaska, for 56 hours! It was not until 2018 that he found his stride again in competitive running, this time as a dual prosthetic blade runner in the New York Marathon, finishing in an incredible 2:52:33 in his debut marathon. However, 2019 would be come his record-setting year as he finished Boston in 2:42.24 and went on to set the world record on the Chicago Marathon course in 2:37.23. Marko has a great deal to share with us in terms of racial and social justice, and how we could look at the concept of independence. He recalls that Kenya won its independence as an entire nation in 1963, but that the United States where he is currently a citizen might not consider itself to have full independence until all are free. Reflecting on recent events of unspeakable violence and injustice against people of color in the US, he gives us a challenge as well as some simple steps to do "the next right thing". Sometimes, an outsider's perspective can be just what we need to see ourselves more clearly, and it is definitely clear we are better for having Americans like Marko join our ranks to shed light and positivity in a time when so many are lost, depressed and searching for answers. Marko continues to surprise and impress organizations, schools and runners across the country where he speaks and runs, especially in his home state of Florida and at recent Run Disney events. From his website, anyone can look into booking him for speaking tours or supporting his charity of building schools in rural areas of Kenya, please check it out! Our blogsite: Marko’s website: Follow Marko on Instagram @marathonmarko
June 13, 2020
Congrats to & Wisdom from GRADS, with Katalina Cunningham & Trey Morris
In this episode we take time to listen to the experiences of two recent high school graduates who are sure to inspire. You will definitely feel both of our guests' passion to serve in their chosen field and vision far beyond this Spring semester. With wisdom far beyond their years, which perhaps has carried their positivity and made them such stellar models for peers during this difficult time... Katalina Cunningham has taken part in a 3 year preparatory Biomedical program and enrolled as a full time dual enrollment with Winter Park High School earning college credit the last two years. She is also Salutatorian of her high school and has some advice about finding body-mind-spirit balance and engaging in family time & family fitness during isolation. She also shares a few ways that the Class of 2020 are memorable and unique, a defining gift that will be carried with them throughout life. Rather than seeing Covid19 as being denied things, her attitude is much more about abundance, "How can we creatively change and start new traditions?", which perhaps was so at many other high schools and a good practice for all of our institutions. You will definitely feel her passion for the future and desire to serve in this podcast, including a dream to work with Doctors without Borders. Trey Morris is also looking forward, due to enter West Point this fall- United States Military Academy (USMA), his fitness and leadership have ultimately led him towards seeking to share his gifts in this way. Having been an excellent high school runner at Berkeley Prep and finished in the top XC runners in the state of Florida, he knows that endurance and goal setting will transfer to other areas of his collegiate and professional life. He also notes the small window of opportunity and magic that is necessary to pull together diverse individuals, and believes that the energy of a team working towards a goal is one that has the potential to apply to many other areas of life, providing motivation and passion. Overall, Trey offers some wisdom to others treading this path behind him, about the importance of hard work and sticking with it, as well as supporting one another in difficult times. Trey has been both his XC and track teams' captain, and says he "had the privilege of spending four years with an incredibly tight team". Please visit our blogsite: Subscribe to our Podcast, and you can like & leave us a message on our FB/Instagram page @RunningAnthropologist
May 31, 2020
Outstanding Teacher/Coaches Tribute, with CJ Albertson & Adriane Wunderlich
Our tribute to outstanding teacher/coaches episode, in which we feature two individuals who are making a difference in young people’s lives and helping during this incredibly difficult time of transitions in high school and college. We go from coast to coast to catch up with them virtually and pick their brains about best practices and inspiration (Florida to California). First, CJ Albertson has a number of accolades in his personal running career, but perhaps the ones he is proudest of are from his home town in Fresno, where he continues to coach or run almost every distance event available. He is Clovis Community College's head Cross Country and Track coach, and in this episode shares his experience transitioning to coaching and teaching- as well as how current pandemic has effected both and young runners, as well as what we can do. His positive attitude and competitiveness shine through, which is how this Clovis Community College track/cross country coach took 7th place in the US Olympic Trials this past February, and earned him a world record for the indoor marathon. He set the indoor marathon record April 13, 2019 in New York, completing 211 laps around the 200-meter track at The Armory's New Balance Track & Field Center in 2 hours 17 minutes 59.4 seconds. CJ is a tenacious in all he does, including academics. Not only a trainer and coach, he now dons the title of professor, teaching in his field of Health and Science at the community college level. He shares some of the advice he has gathered about maintaining balance as a student athlete, and finding ones fullest potential as a runner. Lastly, we should note that Albertson has been signed over the past weeks by Brooks Running, which will allow him to continue his training as a professional athlete and Olympic hopeful well into the future! Second, another amazing engaged teacher/coach, Adriane Wunderlich continually uses her position as an educator to reach out to potential athletes and educate with body-mind-spirit holistically. Adriane attended Indiana State University as an undergrad, where she ran varsity track and cross country, and went on to obtain her MA in Kinesiology & Exercise Science from Indiana State. She was called to move south, and went on to coach at both St. Leo University and Texas A&M University in assistant coaching roles. Currently she is at Tampa Catholic High School, as head Cross country and Track coach for both men's and women's teams, and has been there for the past 3 years. Overall, she explains how experience is the best teacher, and how suffering can be a great teacher, particularly when distance runners push themselves to serve a higher good, team or reflection. Why so diversely engaged with students? She wanted this to be a part of her legacy and career. Because of this commitment, she returned to school to obtain her masters degree in theology, hoping to make her impact on youth more than just athletics, and be able to use faith as a jumping off point in both her teaching in the classroom and coaching on the field. Adriane shares why this time is especially difficult for some of her runners and the track team she was rebuilding, but also the creative ways in which students are coping. She also talks about the multitude of ways that the high school is honoring seniors and giving them a place to feel the weight of their accomplishments and culmination of the right of passage to college for so many. Links shared for young runners to explore teams, colleges and training: Follow us or send us a message @RunningAnthropologist on FB or Instagram, and see all our episodes' blog/photos/information at
May 23, 2020
New HS to College Transitions, with Florida Xcountry State Champ Ethan Geiger
This episode is the first in our series listening to the experiences of coaches and high school/collegiate runners across the United States, and exploring how the pandemic has affected their lives, as well as lessons learned and encouragement they have garnered during this difficult time, to share with others. Ethan Geiger (Robinson High School, Florida) had a record setting 2019 cross country season, and was set to have another this Spring in the 3200, aiming to break 9:00. However, Covid19 and the early closing of his Senior season after just 5 meets has left many question marks for him and his teammates, and all Senior athletes hoping to transition to a collegiate career this fall across the US. Additionally, due to the recruitment cycle and importance of accomplishment in Junior year of track and field, many high school athletes have been left in limbo as to what their college prospects will be next year. Geiger shares in this episode what it is like balancing all of these concerns, encouraging fellow students now but yet looking forward to next year at the University of Florida. He tells us about his expectations for running collegiate track and cross country, which he will be a part of at UF. His individual cross country state title time was 15:26.35 on the Apalachee Regional Park course. He was also named the Gatorade Player of the Year for the state of Florida,and competed and won many other accolades over the past two years; Race of Champions, FSU Pre-State Invitational winner and setting several other course records in the state of Florida. Lastly, he offers some advice and encouragement for other young runners, from his lessons learned in high school running and the hard work it takes to succeed! Please message us, visit/like our Instagram or Facebook page @RunningAnthropologist Photos and more info from this and all past episodes can be found at
May 17, 2020
Give it a TRI, featuring Ironman Coach Jeremy Richardson
The Triathlon. Encouragement has been building in our little podcast community for the Running Anthropologist project to cover this trifecta of sports that include running as only one component, and discuss its many diverse options (Sprint, Half and Full Triathlons of varying distances). In this episode, we delve right into why folks choose to do this, and preparation of doing a Triathlon, through the eyes of a remarkable athlete and coach in this arena, Jeremy Richardson. Jeremy is a Certified Ironman Coach and Physical Therapist, who comes from a competitive running background and made the switch to Triathlons "in a long, hard process of slow gains", during which he has learned a great deal from mentors to become a competitive triathlete. Jeremy is World Ranked 6th in his age group for Ironman 70.3, is an Ironman Gold All World Athlete and has competed in multiple Ironman World Championships, as well as being an All-American USAT Athlete. Jeremy also happens to be the operational manager for the Best Damn Race organization, which puts on unique large running events across the US, and shares insight into our current situation of race cancellations, and keeping balance with training and motivation. He shares with us some wisdom and tips for training, and ideas for making the transition that stick for most, which he also shares in his own coaching programs with Top Notch Tri (link below). This opportunity for entering the cross training world is especially relevant to many during this time of limited running, and looking for new, exciting things one can do inside or near home in coming weeks and months! Whether it is a new bucket list item or turns into a lifelong addiction, we hope that you are able to take this as a primer in triathlon culture, learning about what's involved, and options for training and completing, give it a Tri! You can find out more about his work and services at: and Best Damn Race at Go to and follow/message us on Instagram or Facebook @runninganthropologist for all the info from this and past episodes!
April 21, 2020
Quarantine Backyard Ultra: Founder Dave Proctor & Champ Mike Wardian
Dave Proctor and his organization “Outrun Rare” put together the second largest Backyard Ultra in history with the help of the distance running community, to raise our hopes and spread the word for all of us in isolation or quarantine, surpassing 2700 virtual runners, and they did it in just two weeks! He shares about how he started doing this and what brought him into the Ultra world, as well as setting multiple Canadian running records, and starting "Outrun Rare" to help spread awareness for and gain help for people with rare diseases- research and treatment of them. He gives a few examples of the attempts he has made and plans to cross Canada running in the summer of 2021 (originally slated for this year before the ovid19 Crisis) so we can wrap our minds around it better. He provides advice for those of us who are having to stay home and get creative, so as not to divert our attention in negative ways, but focus on the positive. Lastly, he explains why the Quarantine Backyard Ultra came about specifically and why it had such a huge impact. You can find him at OR @daveoutrunsrare on Instagram. Mike Wardian, winner of the Quarantine Backyard Ultra, also chimes in (from his treadmill) as to why this was important for him, and the rallying of his community and family around the cause. He talks about the virtual community and the Ultra community that pulled together to make it happen, and the democratizing aspects of such a venture that reached everywhere, with zero competition from other Pro sports due to the current situation. He also touches on what it's like to have big events cancelled and how we can get in some great workouts from home, including ways to stay motivated (tip: treadmill climbing the elevation of the Empire State Building), and find our own passion within running. He shares a virtual 5K opportunity coming up too, Little Sesame Adventures Virtual race. Mike is always inspiring and draws upon wisdom of races across the globe in comparing this Backyard Ultra and virtual running, and the opportunities it provides for all of us! Mike can be found at his website OR @mikewardian on Instagram. All of the information, links and some photos from this episode and past can be found at and you can also reach out to message us on Facebook or Instagram @runninganthropologist
April 14, 2020
Mental Health and Motivation in Isolation: RunTherapist Dan McGann & Motivational Designer David Tai
In this episode we first feature Dan McGann, a therapist who delves deep into our identity (as individuals, runners, members of society) and how movement can be utilized to generate a healthy mental attitude and habit building to combat anxiety and depression during this isolating time. He also touches on 3 key practices to building a daily routine, an especially important practice during isolation- The Three G's are one: GROWTH, GIVING BACK & GRATITUDE. Regarding noticing our thinking and goals for change: 20% on negative/problem areas and 80% on the solution/positive aspects of the situation. Please see more information in the graphics and links below for details of what we discussed and research / published books or articles in this area. Dan's Star Wars Analogy: The Force (80%)- Live in a place of faith of love & courage, or Dark Side- Live in a place of fear, anger (try to limit to 20% or less of thought)... it's our choice! Second, we feature David Tai- and his career & current research into what motivational design and cognitive psychology have to teach us at the University of South Florida. David spent many years of his life working with IBM and focused on improving motivation within an organization, as well as personally with regard to work/life balance. He found running to be pivotal in his own transitions to new ways of thinking, both for mental health and clearer thinking, and describes this "how to" process for us, including the FLOW Method (Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, 2014) to establishing new habits / ways of thinking. Originally from China, David also provides valuable comparative cultural perspectives on how the US and "the West" have dealt with this crisis, lessons learned and differences in approach. David's Commentary on "The Four F's of FLOW" is truly insightful and useful psychology for application today, and will help anyone from an advanced runner to starting new fitness routines during isolation. Please visit our website for links to all information from this episode and past episodes, resources and books mentioned: - You can also message us on Facebook or Instagram @RunningAnthropologist, share your insights and ideas while exploring running culture with us!
April 3, 2020
Health and Running in Covid-19 Times: Dr. David Nieman & Sandi Lake, RD
In Episode 37 we explore two paths of inquiry around Covid19- 1st- Exercise health myths / realities with one of the foremost researchers in immunology and exercise science, Dr. David Nieman. 2nd- We explore some of the practical side of racing and options for them during this time - from an experienced Race Director with an extremely helpful and hopeful outlook, Sandi Lake. Dr. David Nieman explains some of his advice and tips for staying healthy in general as a runner, and during this time of isolation, and what boundaries are best to set. Dr. Nieman has been a pioneer in the research area of exercise immunology for decades, as he helped prove that regular moderate exercise actually lowers upper respiratory tract infection rates while improving "immunosurveillance" overall. In this episode, he also explains some of his background and other research that connects to running and immunology; including nutrition and stress. He is also a professor of health and exercise science at Appalachian State University, and director of the Human Performance Labs at the North Carolina Research Campus in Kannapolis. His current research is focused on nutrition and what this can do to counter to exercise-induced immune dysfunction, as well as how extreme exertion can lead to short term immuno-compromise, such as with endurance athletes. Sandi Lake has over 30 years of event planning experience, many of those dedicated to run/walk events, which she does full time now as a nationally well known RD in Tampa Bay area. In this interview she gives a great perspective on cancelled races and alternatives, as well as how best to think about each race during the Covid19 crisis. She and her organization "Lake 2" provide services for helping to plan races and RD charities and corporations. Above all, she focuses on the hope and positive outlook for the future. For small non-profits and community races, Sandi’s expertise is welcomed guidance and wisdom through the entire process, and she definitely shows her passion for those organizations and their causes in this short 20 minute interview. Link to Lake 2: Please send us a message, share and review our podcast on your favorite app. You can follow us on Facebook and Instagram @RunningAnthropologist - or hop on our blogsite for more information on this episodes and previous:
March 26, 2020
Reflections on The Running Shoe Industry, featuring Westin Galloway
Westin made the journey to join us on the University of South Florida's campus for this interview, to discuss his insights and reflections from working in the running shoe industry over the last 15 years, and growing up in this culture as well (Westin's father Jeff Galloway started the first specialty running shoe dedicated store in the US in the early 1970s). Westin also started out his career at Phidippides in Atlanta (featured in Episode 34: America's Marathon Weekend episode), after successful collegiate track and cross country varsity running at Wake Forest University. Westin then went on to work for both Mizuno and ASICS until just before this interview, and has traveled the globe to explore and develop new shoe technology; most of all figure out what we as runners want and need in a shoe. In particular, Westin shares how he has been impressed by the R&D (Research and Development) process he has seen within running-dedicated companies. He explains how a shoe goes from concept to consumer in less than a year, and all that goes into this process on the back end- and the challenges of moving to sustainable practices in the industry. He also comments on how new technologies are evolving to allow us to run farther and put less stress on the body, from stride to energy efficiency. Westin also touches on a few stories from running culture that demonstrate what he has seen and believes represent the diversity of runners, including his frequent trips to Japan and recent trip to Kenya with ASICS. Last but not least, we reflect on his own goals and where he sees unique corners of the running world as opportunities that haven't yet been explored, that he would like to be a part of in the near future! Please subscribe and share if you enjoy exploring running culture in this format, and feel free to share with us your own exploration into running shoes, technology and insights as a runner, @runninganthropologist on Facebook and Instagram, or on our website: There you can also find our show notes, photos and links from this episode and all past episodes.
March 19, 2020
Liz Warner Runs to Reach Women with 30 Global Marathons
In this episode, we follow Liz Warner's Run to Reach project as she tries to reach women's organizations and women runners in the most needed corners of the globe, by 1) fundraising to support them through grassroots organizations in those countries, and 2) running 30 of the most challenging marathons on the globe on their home turf. Did we mention she is attempting to finish before she turns 30 in June? In fact, Liz is down to her last few planned marathons, having run 1-2 marathons per month over 2019 and the start of 2020, including the Atlanta Marathon for her US choice, on her home turf! An Atlanta native, Liz knew she wanted to make an impact and change her life trajectory as well as others, and set out to create this reality by doing something that resonated with her soul to help other women in countries where most needed in the best way she could. Join/check out the video and her fundraising goal, of reaching women's organizations on important issues across the globe, and asking each of us in the running community that cares now to give just $26 towards it! (Goal: 2600 of us) Or vist the Run to Reach website, with lots of fun info and stats to follow her: You can also find photos and links posted on the Running Anthropologist website, from this episode and all our previous ones at: Or follow us on Facebook/Instagram @runninganthropologist for more news in running culture and future episodes!
March 12, 2020
America’s Marathon Weekend 2020- ATL Trials RunDocumentary
In this episode, we give you a play-by-play from America’s Marathon weekend, including the US 2020 men’s and women’s marathon trial; during, finish, press conference with our qualifiers, as well as interviews afterwards with Olympic hopefuls on leap day Sat. Feb29th! We also cover what it’s like to be part of the Atlanta running community, from cheering on the streets to volunteering and being a runner in the Publix Atlanta Marathon, which happened the day after, today on Sun. March 1. We do this in the style of a public media documentary in which we try to have as many diverse voices as possible, including following a first time marathoner thru the experience. Please subscribe and share with others if you like learning about the culture of running in this way... And also message us to share your stories / check us out on Instagram/FB @runninganthropologist or learn more at our website:
March 2, 2020
15 Minutes with Tokyo Marathon RD Tadaaki Hayano
Tadaaki Hayano joins us from Tokyo just a few weeks before the big event, the Tokyo Marathon- which just so happens to occur on the same day as the US Olympic Trials (Leap Day, Feb. 29th 2020). The Tokyo Marathon is the newest member of the World Marathon Majors Series of 6 races. In this episode, he answers a few questions about what makes up the Tokyo Marathon, the challenges and joys of running through downtown Tokyo, as well as what's new this year. Among those things is an Olympic qualifying spot and 1 million dollars for anyone breaking the record in Tokyo. Oh, and did we mention that the Olympics is being hosted by Tokyo this summer? Tad was involved with running from a young age and has lived all over the world through his involvement with the sport of running. In 1976, he was the national high school champion in the men’s 800m. After graduating from the University of Tsukuba in Health and Physical Education, he went on to become a teacher, then later became the manager for ASICS in Boulder, CO., and the managing director for NISHI Sports. He later joined Tokyo Marathon from its initial year of 2017, and worked to enter the event in the Abbott World Marathon Majors! Please subscribe & check out our website for links / full background of this story and many others, at & like us on Facebook/Instagram @runninganthropologist.
February 15, 2020
Rich Kenah on The 2020 US Olympic Trials & Publix Atlanta Marathon Weekend
"Running City USA" will together with the Atlanta Track Club host on Feb. 29th (leap day) 2020 for the Trials and March 1st for the Marathon. Running Anthropologist catches up with Rich Kenah (Executive Director of the Atlanta Track Club) to discuss hosting this one-of-a-kind event in one exciting weekend! Rich has traveled to and raced in more than 30 countries, including in the Sydney Olympics in 2000. One can easily see he "is a true believer in the power of this sport and its ability to change the direction of people's lives". He discusses organizing the world’s largest 10K – the AJC Peachtree Road Race, and how that experience informs this upcoming historic Marathon weekend- namely the logistics of coordinating an entire city of staff and volunteers. By the way, with more than 115,000 participants at our events and 28,000 members, ATC is the second largest running club in the United States. In this episode, he describes how running has had an immeasurable impact on his life, a job he gets to talk about running all day long. He also describes what it's like to qualify for the Olympics and what it's like to be a competitive runner: disappointment and injury, ups and downs, finishing his career on a very high note. For example, in 1996 when Atlanta hosted the Olympics, he missed making the U.S. Olympic Team by tenths of a second. And those years proved to be his most productive as a professional runner, just after this loss: winning two World Championship medals, setting a world record & coming back to finally win his Olympic berth for Sydney. He also describes what it was like to be a part of the Olympic Athlete Village and walking into the Olympic Stadium wearing a USA uniform. This success, he believes, helps athletes transfer to other areas of life. Rich was also a sports marketing professional for many years after his running career, and had many challenges in these roles as well. Rich touches on the depth of programming they offer in the interview, and desire to help young runners especially; from elementary to high school runners finding their footing, and everything from first-time running programs to training Olympic hopefuls! Join us on social media: @runninganthropologist FB/Instagram & visit our blogsite for all the links and details of this episode:
January 29, 2020
The Impact Marathon Series with Founder/CEO Nick Kershaw
A unique weeklong running & service learning experience combining community development work and a local marathon! Recently featured in Epic Runs of the World (Lonely Planet) and The Sunday Times, Kershaw created the Impact Marathon Series from his experience in development finance and adventure marathon organizing. It is about unleashing the power of running to change the world, and making an impact through the combination of knowledge building, running and volunteering on a community-based project in Nepal, Malawi, Kenya, Guatemala and Jordan. One exciting aspect of our talk is hearing about applying the UN Global Development Goals on a grassroots level and being a part of the solution along with (rather than apart from) communities in these countries. Nick and all the the organizers rely on local hosts’ expertise proven over past weeklong projects, and their experience in running event organizing & cultural learning. The culmination of the week is a marathon or half marathon following an iconic race course, for example in the foothills of the Himalayas in Nepal, or experiencing the desert and historic ruins in Jordan. Kenya, Malawi and Guatemala all weave through terrain that one may never experience elsewhere. Each Saturday local runners join the ~50 program participants to put the total number of participants at 200-300, allowing for a much more personal experience than big international marathons. However, Nick tells us that by far the most important part of the program is the impact that the runners have on those communities, in terms of empowerment and building connection / understanding between people. Nick explains that runners will bring back firsthand experience into some of the most challenging global problems, such as water shortages, climate change and permaculture helping to reform landscapes! Their website: Our blogsite: has notes and links from this episode and all past ones, and you can also message/follow us on Instagram or Facebook @runninganthropologist
January 9, 2020
Year in Review & 2020 Vision: Featuring Sanjay Rawal, Trish Trout, Jorge García & Michael Wardian
Everything is clear in hindsight with 2020 Vision! In this episode we recap some of the past year’s podcast & discuss important events in running culture during 2019, and lastly look forward to the next decade... To do so, we catch up with 4 veteran guests of the podcast that have unique 2020 vision/goals, who offer some advice for a prosperous running year ahead! Sanjay Rawal shares his insight into starting back as a marathoner and qualifying for Boston, as well as the inward journey and mental aspects of running. Trish Trout shares some practical tips regarding running an international marathon (Berlin in 2019), goals for 2020 and ways to keep running fun. Jorge Garcia walks us through what it's like to join a team (Michelob Ultra) and run several major marathons in one fall season (Sydney, Chicago, Marine Corps, New York). Lastly, Mike Wardian discusses constantly challenging himself with new creative Ultra events, his highlights and #1 picks for running events, as well as co-authoring his first book "Epic Runs of the World", an amazing new running guide book published by Lonely Planet. Message/Follow us on Facebook or Instagram @runninganthropologist. For links and more info on this episode and all past episodes visit our blogsite at
December 28, 2019
Healthy Holidays! with Dr. Brian Fullem, Elite Sports Podiatry
Dr. Brian Fullem literally wrote the book on healthy feet and ankles for runners. He joins us for a special holiday gift to discuss his wisdom and accumulated knowledge from years of research and practice... sharing healthy running practices such as injury prevention and treatment, as well as perspective on core strength, balance, form and shoes. He is Board certified in Foot Surgery with specialization in tendon injuries & plantar fasciitis, including the use of Extracorporeal Shock Wave therapy. Dr. Fullem practiced in Connecticut for over 20 years before moving to Florida to start his solo practice at Elite Sports Podiatry. While in CT, Dr Fullem served as the Team Podiatrist for the Yale University Track team and Sacred Heart University Athletic Department. Dr Fullem also co-founded The Running Academy camp for HS runners. Dr Fullem definitely shows his passion for teaching & treating athletes in this interview. He also frequently lectures nationally on these subjects and is published extensively in medical journals and for national running magazines. His own book, “A Runners Guide to Healthy Feet and Ankles” is available at most book stores online, or at his own practice. You can explore his practice at You can also see the full notes from this interview and find useful links to resources discussed in this episode and others at:
December 18, 2019
Race Directors & World Marathon Majors: Carey Pinkowski of Chicago Marathon, Angela Anderson of MCM
With the Bank of America Chicago Marathon since 1990, Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski has been a key player in building the marathon's dynamic relationships with the city of Chicago, the corporate community and local neighborhoods along the marathon course. In 2006, Pinkowski also became one of the original architects of the Abbott World Marathon Majors, a series set to recognize and challenge the world's top adventurous marathon runners. He tells us about how it began and why, as well as why sharing "best practices" with races across the globe is so important, and the importance of the running community for these cities. He also shares a bit about the changing culture of marathons and the culture of the Abbott World Marathon Majors, and where he sees it headed in the future. The Marine Corps Marathon Deputy Director Angela Anderson has been with MCM since 1994. She oversees the various branches within the MCM organization and develops new projects to enhance the event experience. Originally from Germany, she has participated in the United States Marine Corps' Civilian Leadership Program and Toastmasters International. Anderson discusses her current World Marathon Majors attempt and 1/2 way through has some insight to share about the experience (including Chicago, Boston and most recently NY Marathon). Lastly, she highlights the work of race organization and logistics of “The People’s Marathon” and reveals exciting things to come! Please follow/message us on Facebook/Instagram @runninganthropologist & see photos and links from this episode at
November 21, 2019
Marine Corps Marathon LIVE from Washington, D.C. RunDocumentary
In this episode, we attempt a play by play of MCM weekend in iconic Washington, DC route. We start off Saturday with a visit to Arlington National Cemetery joining the Wear Blue Run to Remember runners (Rosanna Powers’ group, featured last episode), and then move to the energy filled MCM Expo to catch up with a few of Running Anthropologist’s featured runners that we’ve been following the last months leading up to the event (Hometown Matt O’Neil & Jorge Garcia of St.Louis), and hear the “buzz” before a rainy race day... Lastly, we will witness Michael Wardian (1st Place finish in 50k Ultra) and Matt O’Neil (3rd Place Overall Marathon Finish) as they cross the finish line and go to the podium, of the first MCM Marathon for Matt and first ever MCM Ultra 50K for everyone! Join us on the day after the marathon for photos and results, updates! Message us on Instagram/FB @runninganthropologist
October 27, 2019
MCM Part 1: Marine Corps Firsts Featuring Matt O’Neil, Rosanna Powers, and Mike Parks
In our first episode featuring the Marine Corps Marathon, we focus in on three firsts: A first time marathoner and former marine running in honor of her brother and fiancé, both lost in service overseas as marines. Rosanna Powers tells us about the Wear Blue to Remember and Gold Star Race running programs, and why they have meant so much to her and many others. Matt O’Neil is also aiming for his first MCM full marathon completion, and as a home town favorite hoping for a top three overall finish! Lastly, Mike Parks is chasing after his 5th MCM medal but his first Ultra, and overcoming a recent injury. He shares some difficult long distance training lessons learned and discusses his involvement with Team Leidos, and the work they do to support our troops and their families. For more details and upcoming MCM coverage, Please check out our blogsite at or message us on Instagram/Facebook @runninganthropologist
October 13, 2019
Marathon Season Kickoff Special: Chicago Marathon w/ Meghan Lane-Holbert & Randa Mahmud-Ulankiewicz
In this episode, we describe unique marathons we will be covering in our Marathon Season Series and why they are special to us, and especially to those we are interviewing, ordinary runners doing extraordinary things. My wife and co-host also turned the tables and asked me a few questions about the Chicago Marathon and MCM. We then feature a team leader for a great charity in the Chicago Marathon, Randa Mahmoud-Ulankiewicz of Palestine Children’s Relief Fund, as she describes some of the challenges for first time marathoners as well as the joys of fundraising for an international cause that you believe in! Join us on blogsite for more info/links: or message us on Facebook/instagram @runninganthropologist.
October 5, 2019
Dynamic Running Therapy (DRT) with William Pullen
William Pullen's Dynamic Running Therapy can be used in so many ways, and is incredibly accessible through the free app he has developed (DRT), as well as his book/interactive workbook “Running with Mindfulness”. It is a radically simple approach combining elements of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Mindfulness, relational philosophy and exercise. It is ideal for individuals that want to deepen their running/movement practice to include self-introspection, and those that are dealing with any difficult emotions such as anger, stress, depression or anxiety on a regular basis. There is also a healthy relationship practice, which deals with questions together through "empathy runs", in which a couple/pair practices active listening and deep sharing in organized turns. Pullen developed DRT to "bring the mind into perfect harmony with the body through the healing experience of mindful running". Channeling running energy into personal change in all aspects of our life is made both simple and effective by this insightful step-by-step process, developed through years of therapy and mindfulness practice. In everything we do, he encourages us to just get moving, make small changes and positive results will naturally flow from them. His guidance has helped countless people to do so, and his story is both uplifting and inspiring! Please follow & message us on Facebook/Instagram or visit our blogsite for more information and links to everything we discuss in the podcast:
September 20, 2019
UNBREAKABLE with Dan McGann of RxRun, Nils Blondon & David Harris: Mental Health and Run Therapy
Therapist Dan McGann kicks off the second of our 3 part series featuring running as therapy, and offers some groundbreaking insights into work with groups of young people and families in Ontario, Canada. In the second half of the episode- Coordinator Nils Blondon and Founder David Harris of UNBREAKABLE explain how they hope to help solve youth mental health problems like anxiety and depression by kickstarting programs like this throughout Toronto area and beyond by providing counselors, school teachers, social workers and sports coaches with resources to do so. The results of years of work honing the program are no less than astounding, with now groups of 1,000s of graduates of the program. Some are becoming public speakers for other young runners. Now in his 14th year of doing so, Therapist Dan McGann has witnessed incredible impact on the mental health and resilience of young people in group therapy and seen running's ability to completely change lives. It has been so successful that he has extended it to families and now has several groups meeting twice per week (in two different seasonal sessions) throughout the year. The idea is that individuals will "get moving" and see themselves as successes involved in something life-affirming. This helps achieve something together with a group or family, and builds up to something greater in life. "Running as a training ground to overcome obstacles in our lives / way of thinking", and this is the life goal of Dan's work and that of Team Unbreakable, especially to change the view of those that perceive themselves as "broken" and end the stigma of mental health so as to break the silence around it. Please help spread the word, join us at for links to all of this, along with film/videos and other resources!
September 14, 2019
Rachel Reingewirtz, Certified Running Therapist of Kostrubala’s Method (The Joy of Running)
In this episode Certified Running therapist Rachel Reingewirtz guides us on a very down-to-earth personal view of the development and applications of her Running Therapy, and how she has seen its usefulness in action, from treating anxiety/depression to working with at risk youth in Israel. Being trained by its credited creator Thaddeus Kostrubala, MD (“The Joy of Running” and Paleoanalysis and Running Therapy) who spearheaded research into how slow long distance running might be good for the body-mind-spirit as early as the 70s. We see his foundation in all that would follow; neuroanalysis research and the mindful running movements today. Through talk therapy while running, she is able to achieve much deeper and much quicker breakthroughs than in traditional therapy alone. We also discuss the overall therapeutic benefits of running, and hopes for its development as a holistic mental health therapy and inspiration for many more mental health therapists in the near future. Join us at for links to all the books we discussed in the episode, as well as some videos and films on the topic! More details also on Rachel’s website:
September 2, 2019
Sanjay Rawal, The 3100 Mile Self-Transcendence Race, A RunDoc on Navajo, Buddhist Monks & Bushmen
Join us on a journey through traditional running cultures, from the Kalahari bushmen in Africa to Navajo runners across their ancestral lands, as well as a unique look at Buddhist monks in one of the longest human endurance journeys known to man. Filmmaker Sanjay Rawal examines running as a means of self transcendence, and particularly in his own practice inspired by Sri Chinmoy, who in the 70s helped endurance running to grow into what it is in New York and inspired Sports as a peace builder in the United Nations, including the 3100 mile race. Sanjay’s films “3100:Run and Become” (as well as “Food Chains”) help us to think about our place in the world and responsibility to one another and the planet. Links and blog site with more info at
August 21, 2019
20 Minutes with RunDisney Coach Jeff Galloway: Injury Prevention, X-training & Run-Walk-Run ratios
Returning guest Jeff Galloway, the official RunDisney coach for marathon training and founder of the Run-Walk-Run method, sits down to cover some of his most Frequently Asked Questions after his last visit to the podcast. Among those: - What do I do to cross train and strength build to prevent injury? - What exercises are beneficial when I am injured?, and... How do I know when I'm doing too much? Going right along with these questions, we touch on the ideal "Run:Walk Time Ratio" for various paces and levels, as backed up by current research and data on thousands of runners. Examples- 8 min/mile might do 4min run and 30sec walk while 12 min/mile might do 45-90sec run and 30-60sec walk. More can be found at or in his newly revised Run-Walk-Run Method book! Jeff also touches on the importance of adjusting pace according to high temperatures and level of training. This is one short but beneficial talk not to miss! You can also visit our website for more info and links:
August 10, 2019
Peace Corps Running Stories III with Mike Deloge, Hannah Wallace & Tobi Hanna-Davies
Ultra athelete Mike Deloge tells about his experience in Colombia and in Georgia with Peace Corps response. He talks about How lessons learned from the Peace Corps about setbacks and dealing with perceived failures have allowed him to transform into an ultra runner. Then, Competitive pole vaulter Hannah Wallace discusses her start to distance running while in the Peace Corps, and the challenges/opportunities of bringing pole vaulting to rural Paraguay, from 2017-19. Lastly, Tobi Hanna-Davies takes us back to her Peace Corps service days in 1969-71 in Micronesia, history lessons from the islands (including the story of bikini) and a realistic look inside the beginning of a movement for Peace! Please visit our Instagram, Facebook (@runninganthropologist) or website for links and photos, more information on this episode and others:
August 10, 2019
Trail Running Unedited with Andy “Croom” Matthews
Our first completely unedited episode, to fit the trail running culture... Among many other accolades, Andy Matthews is an Ultra trail running race director, with A1 Ultra Events and he knows what it’s all about: he explains what it's like to train for and finish thirty five 100 mile races (including Western States three time finisher), and perhaps even more difficult: organizing ultra races that are unique and challenging! We talk about how volunteering and getting involved builds up the running community, and has lead him to some great opportunities & friendships along the way. We also discuss the "vibe" or overall spirit of the trail running community, how to get involved and what to consider in training. We question tail/Ultras continual pursuit of more difficult terrain and and more daunting challenges that push the limits of human capacity. Wrapped into his story, as with most ultra runners, is injury and willingness of the mind and spirit to see failure as a learning opportunity- maybe not failure at all? Please Message us or discover more on our Facebook/Instagram “RunningAnthropologist”, or our blog site:
August 2, 2019
Introductory Episode Rebooted, Let’s Get Exploring!
This Introduction explains the goals and purpose behind the Running Anthropologist project, from the overall themes and goals to series we have started in the podcast, as well as our goal of finding everyday runners doing extraordinary things, and highlighting events that have carved out a unique places in Running culture. These may be in the US or international, and you can connect to us to help us find them! @runninganthropologist on Facebook or Instagram, or via our website: We are dedicated to exploring the culture of running and helping to inspire YOU, challenge you & share your most impactful cultural experiences and runs with others... “building community and sharing best practices” is our motto! Please join us and help us learn together about what motivates and challenges us while running anywhere & everywhere! We hope to have a new guest/running mentor on each week and will also be posting short no commentary RunDocs on our YouTube channel starting in August 2019! Til then, Happy Running...
July 30, 2019
Team 413 Gracerunner Ministries featuring Chris Gillespie
Episode 16: TEAM 413 - GRACERUNNER MINISTRIES is a nonprofit organization which seeks to put "running chaplains" out there to serve and listen to others during their most difficult struggles, be them in running or in life. This is Part 3 of our summer series on Running, Faith and Social Justice, and hints at why distance running has such a deep spiritual component for many. Founder/Director Chris Gillespie was an athletic trainer at the 1996 Olympics in Track and Field, and has been inducted into the national hall of fame for Athletic Trainers. After a paralyzing accident, it took him over a decade to work his way back to distance running, and fermented the reason why he wanted to be there for others who face similar struggles of tragedy; in running, spiritual and personal life, by founding Team 413. Regardless of your religious or non-religious convictions, I believe you will find his story inspiring and compelling towards putting into action your deepest desires and goals, in running and in life. More info/links at:
July 29, 2019
So You Want to Start a 5K? Featuring Katie Mercer and Kelsey Redman
Beaverton, Michigan now hosts an annual 4th of July weekend 5K and 1 Mile Fun Run. It has been growing steadily for the past 5 years, but there has been outstanding community support and a definite learning curve! Katie and Kelsey share candidly what has made it such a great race in their community and for central Michigan. We focus in particular on logistics and details that might help someone hoping to plan their own 5K in the near future! Follow us on Facebook /Instagram @runninganthropologist and find full show notes on our website:
July 15, 2019
Parenting & Coaching Tips for Young Runners with Marc and KJ Karver
This episode tackles one of the great mysteries of a running parent/coach- how to navigate the delicate balance between encouragement, fun and training for a competitive young runner. KJ Karver, Middle school track state finalist and former national champion of some distances for his age group, is about to enter the world of competitive high school running. He takes time to sit down with his father and running partner Prof. Dr. Marc Karver to discuss what they’ve learned together and enjoyed most in their running journey: about their sometimes intense training schedule, mistakes made along the way and of course what was successful, including sharing favorite places around the world that they have run together. Marc and KJ also share tips for finding coaches and planning a training schedule that won’t lead to burnout. This is a great one for anyone with young runners in their lives! Full show notes and photos at
June 30, 2019
Rogue Expeditions in Morocco, Patagonia and Ireland with Running Guide Sean Meehan
Guide Sean Meehan walks us through several of Rogue Expeditions’ most culturally unique running journeys- and how a small startup is changing running tourism & group running exploration for many, one expedition at a time! Join us as we talk caravans, deserts, glaciers, the Emerald Isle. Most impressive is the Peace Corps-esque approach of supporting local economies and staying in local family run places unique to each region they travel to, and attempting to convey the diversity of each country they run in. Please visit our website to learn more, for notes and photos:
June 27, 2019
The Palestine Marathon & Palestine Children’s Relief Fund: George Zeidan, Anwar Adas and Arif Kazi
From creating the Palestine Marathon to establishing local running clubs in Ramallah and Bethlehem, inviting young people and women into the folds of running, we hear about the challenges and opportunities in Palestine for runners. We also learn about the work of Team Palestine in Chicago, Atlanta and throughout the world as they seek to bring needed medical care to Palestinian children in their occupied territories. While at times difficult, this episode really demonstrates hope and solidarity in the international running community as well as what a few people can do when they share running with others! Join us on Our website for full show notes and links:
June 21, 2019
A Tale of Two Borders, with Immigration Law Professor Alex Vernon
This episode kicks off our summer series on the connection between Faith, Social Justice and Running! For many, these aspects of their identity are interwoven ... take for example our featured guest in this episode- Immigration Law Prof. Alex Vernon at the University of Detroit Mercy. In this episode he discusses his life living in a border area (Windsor, Canada-Detroit, USA), as well as commuting and running along it every day. He also takes us on a journey to the US-México border in the El Paso area, taking a group of law students on an Ignatian “Encuentro” (encounter) experience a few weeks ago... learning about the physical terrain and experience of individuals around the southern US border. Please join us on social media @runninganthropologist or our website:
June 15, 2019
Global Running Day Special, The CRIM with Joe Dimambro and Introduction to Short RunDocs project
Celebrating our 10th episode with the Crim classic 10 miler! In this episode we give a brief introduction to our short Running documentary project (RunDocs) and the first of our featured races, The Crim Festival of Races and Events in Flint, Michigan. We will hear from Asst. race Director Joe Dimambro about its origins, Unique place in the Midwest and how it’s grown into one of the largest fitness and wellness programs in the United States, serving the community and recreating Flint as a symbol of positivity in which the entire community takes part! Join us or message us on our Facebook page. For full show notes and photos go to
June 5, 2019
Peace Corps Running Stories II with Brendon Hahns Thomas, Katie Long, Ashley Ndir & Heather Deverna
From “Great Wall Marathon” training in NW China, then Central America to Honduras and Panama, as well as a journey thru African Running culture: Cameroon (West Africa) and Rwanda (East Africa). Our second Peace Corps Stories journey presents four unique 10-15 minute vignettes of exploration and service; running stories from rural rain forests to elite marathons, each Peace Corps volunteer takes us along and explains what it's like to be immersed in another culture, as both a PC volunteer and a runner. These inspiring stories showcase both what running brings to their host community, as well as what they brought back with them from these experiences! Like us on Facebook to keep up with future podcasts, projects, episodes and post your own favorite cultural runs: @runninganthropologist. See full show notes, photos and links from this podcast at:
June 1, 2019
Bart Yasso tells Running Stories from his time as C.R.O. w/Runner’s World
Bart Yasso, “The Mayor of Running” recently retired as Chief Running Officer of Runner’s World. He takes time to sit down & share some of his favorite stories from his over 30 year career! We find out what motivates and still surprises him, about starting an Amish running community and East African Running. Also, about doing stories further afield in Nepal and South Africa. Share and Join us for links and photos at: or on Facebook to share your own favorite cultural running experiences! @runninganthropologist
May 23, 2019
Peace Corps Running Stories Part I with Kelli Maddock, Cristian Cadacero, Sara Bruya & “Twing”
Fiji, Guatemala, Gabon and the Dominican Republic! Join us in this week's episode as we journey across the globe with four unique 15 minute vignettes of exploration, new beginnings and service; running stories from rural villages to urban running clubs, each Peace Corps volunteer takes us on a journey of what it's like to be immersed in another culture, as both a PC volunteer and a runner. These inspiring stories showcase both what running brought to their community, as well as what they brought back with them from these experiences abroad, in "making us who we are today, we discover we received far more than we could ever give".- Mark Lane-Holbert Like us on Facebook to keep up with future projects, episodes and post your own favorite cultural runs: @runninganthropologist. See full show notes, photos and links at:
May 19, 2019
Deb Voiles on Running Documentary “The Human Race” and Coaching with Run Tampa
Debbie Voiles gives us the lowdown in her new Running documentary “The Human Race”, which features Run Tampa runners as well as running icons like Schwitzer (first woman to run Boston and NY Marathon champion), and many others- debunking the myth that running will ruin our knees or somehow isn’t for “the long run”! Also, on the importance of community and training in a planned way, how she got into coaching and what’s next... Released on Mother’s Day and dedicated to all moms, Deb started running after her first child to combat those motherhood realities, and it grew into giving back to others in so many ways... join us on Facebook @runninganthropologist or web: for complete show notes and photos, past episodes and more!
May 12, 2019
Giving Back with Jorge Garcia
“Giving Back" with Jorge Garcia, on reaching his 50 state/100 marathon goal, on being part of a "running family" in his community and across the globe; from Antarctica to South Africa, and giving back to that family by hosting others and being a "race pacer"! He discusses his motivation and highlights from his 50 state journey, as well as the 7 marathons on 7 continents challenge. We also explore what being a marine brought to his running and why it motivates him to be a part of building community. This episode is truly inspirational, as Jorge provides us with an invitation to use negative experiences as motivation and find ways to transform them into something positive... Know an inspiring runner or great cultural run? Please message us in Facebook @runninganthropologist. For complete show notes, Photos and Links from this episode, please visit:
May 10, 2019
May the 4th Be with You, Michael Wardian! On Ultras, World Records & Exploring
Elite ultra/trail runner Michael Wardian takes us along for his journey...from his first marathon to the World Marathon Majors single year record, running for team USA and his most recent long distance trek across Israel in under 11 days covering 631 miles! Hear some personal insights into perseverance and sharing the joy of running with others, as well as the story behind a historic 7-7-7 challenge (seven continents seven marathons in seven days), and how that is even possible!? Please visit us on our website or Facebook page @runninganthropologist to learn more about the project, find links from the podcast conversations and lots of great cultural exploratory runs!
May 4, 2019
Pilgrimage and Poetry: Featuring Bob Shea (Musical Therapist, Running Explorer & Writer)
Join us on both a poetic journey to Iceland’s southern coast, and along the Pilgrimage Route “Camino de Santiago”. As we explore through his spoken word, Bob Shea manages to lyrically convey his impressions of lands and people he moves through in his joyful discoveries. He sees us all as ”pilgrim runners”, and weaves a web of both the inward and outward journey that accompany us on pilgrimage/running in his writing; seeing the journey itself as the destination! For full text of poems and photos, visit:
May 2, 2019
The Boston Marathon Special with Mark Bauman and Trish Trout
Join us for a journey through Boston history and culture with Mark Bauman (completing is 50th consecutive this year!) and Trish Trout (charity runner at Boston), including tips and advice starting out on your running journey, race tips and how to dive more deeply into a community of runners.
April 25, 2019
Jeff Galloway and “How to Run til 100”
Join us for a half hour with US Olympian & RunDisney official trainer, creator of the Galloway Run-Walk method, pacing runners at marathons all across the US. Jeff offers up his own story of how he came to this method, as well as simple scientific explanations for why it works, from anthropology to neuroscience, and why it may well help you “keep running til 100”, maintaining joy and building the growing older happy Running community. He also talks about Olympic qualifiers, why distance running is the most empowering sport on the planet and how we can continue growing as runners, along with sharing some of his favorite running exploration locations in the US! Please visit our Facebook page or website for links to more info on all we discuss in the podcast... @runninganthropologist
April 19, 2019