Law of Code
By Jacob Robinson
The Law of Code podcast focuses on the legal framework being built around blockchains, crypto, NFTs, and DAOs. We’ll look at crypto regulations, rights surrounding NFTs, as well as the legislation impacting blockchain.
You’ll hear from the top lawyers, lawmakers, and entrepreneurs in the space – we’ll touch on best practices countries are implementing, new regulations, and share ideas on the best path forward.
You’ll hear from the top lawyers, lawmakers, and entrepreneurs in the space – we’ll touch on best practices countries are implementing, new regulations, and share ideas on the best path forward.
#42 - Laura Shin: Investigating Ethereum, interviewing Vitalik, and balancing truth & consequences.
Law of Code • By Jacob Robinson • May 06
#42 - Laura Shin: Investigating Ethereum, interviewing Vitalik, and balancing truth & consequences.
Law of Code • By Jacob Robinson • May 06
#47 - Who holds stolen NFT IP: Seth Green's Case (+ Jarkesy v. SEC)
This episode reviews the IP ownership rights associated with Board Ape #8398, after actor and producer Seth Green (who licensed it for his series, White Horse Tavern) was scammed in a phishing attack. The stolen NFT was then sold to "DarkWing84" for $200,000. This episode is largely based on an enlightening thread by James Grimmelmann (@grimmelm), who dove deep into the issue, with additional notes from prominent crypto lawyers Drew Hinkes (@propelforward), Jake Chervinsky (@jchervinsky), Preston Byrne (@prestonjbyrne), and others. We also cover the recent decision in Jarkesy v. SEC, in which the Fifth Circuit essentially stated that the SEC must go through Federal courts in fraud cases. The implications may be greater than that, and this will be an important case impacting the future of the SEC. Other updates include a decision from Hermès International, et al. v Mason Rothschild, an update from LUNA, LexDAO's latest guidance on metaverse lawyering, and more. Much credit for this episode goes to the incredible sources, including James Grimmelmann (@grimmelm), the CryptoLaw Newsletter (@cryptolaw_news), and a newsletter by two bright law students, Around the Blockchain - which covers everything happening within the crypto law space, every single week. You can find their newsletter on Substack, Around the Blockchain. Disclaimer: Jacob Robinson and his guests are not your lawyer. Nothing herein or mentioned on the Law of Code podcast should be construed as legal advice. The material published is intended for informational, educational, and entertainment purposes only. Please seek the advice of counsel, and do not apply any of the generalized material to your individual facts or circumstances without speaking to an attorney.
May 26, 2022
#46 - J.W. Verret: Securities Laws and the future of Crypto
Professor J.W. Verret (@JWVerret), teaches accounting and finance, securities law, M&A, corporate law and banking law at the George Mason University Law School. A Senior Advisor @messaricrypto, J.W. is a licensed CPA in the state of Virginia, is licensed in financial forensics by the AICPA, is a Certified Fraud Examiner and a Certified Valuation Analyst. He has been a Visiting Professor at Stanford Law School. J.W. served on the Investor Advisory Committee of the Securities and Exchange Commission, where he advised the SEC on matters of investor protection. He serves on the Financial Accounting Standards Advisory Committee, which advises on the development of Generally Accepted Accounting Standards (GAAP). He also serves as faculty liaison to the American College of Business Court Judges. He previously worked as the Chief Economist at the U.S. House Financial Services Committee. J.W. holds a Bachelors degree in Financial Accounting, a Masters in Economic Policy from the Harvard Kennedy School of Government, and a J.D. from Harvard Law School. In this wide-ranging conversation, we discuss J.W.'s work as an advisor at the SEC, his new position at Messari, the future of disclosure, securities laws, and much more. Show highlights: [3:00] J.W.'s introduction to Bitcoin [9:40] Story behind his twitter header [16:30] Learning quickly [22:00] Senior Advisor at Messari [27:00] Understanding Gary Gensler [34:43] Reg X Proposal by LeXPunK [40:00] Crypto regulation [45:00] Expanding the Howey test [51:00] Pillars of securities law [59:00] Crypto as the modern printing press [66:00] Decentralization Disclosure [72:00] DAOs [76:00] Habits & career advice If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
May 23, 2022
#45 - Marco Santori: Pioneering Crypto Law, Convincing Regulators, and building Kraken.
Marco Santori (@msantoriESQ) is the Chief Legal Officer of Kraken Digital Asset Exchange. Known as the "Dean of Digital Currency Lawyers," Marco is a recognized authority in the law and policy of blockchain technologies. Prior to his move to Kraken, Marco was the Chief Legal Officer of Blockchain.com, as well as a Partner at both Cooley LLP and Pillsbury Winthrop, where he counseled banks, broker-dealers, exchanges, digital wallets, payment providers, and other companies making new and exciting uses of distributed ledger technology. Marco is an author of the SAFT Project Whitepaper, a self-regulatory effort to curb Initial Coin Offerings. He is an advisor to the International Monetary Fund, the Blockchain Ambassador to the State of Delaware, and was the Chairman of the Regulatory Affairs Committee of the Bitcoin Foundation. He has been quoted by the Congressional Research Service, Bloomberg, the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Coindesk, Washington Post, The New Yorker, Wired, Entrepreneur.com and Crain's New York Business. In this interview, Marco shares his journey from litigator to crypto lawyer, the importance & downside of big law, and the future of NFTs & DAOs with respect to the fourth prong of the Howey test. Show highlights: [2:15] Marco's introduction to crypto (& subsequent rug pull) [11:35] Making great decisions [18:40] Marco's journey to Kraken [21:13] Building in crypto law [26:40] Environmental misconceptions [34:20] Building a crypto bank: Bank Charter Application [39:10] Convincing regulators with examples [44:00] DAOs & the "efforts of others" [53:11] Stoicism Links: Marco's website marcosantori.com Daily stoic newsletter If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
May 19, 2022
#44 - UST & LUNA: What happened & what comes next
The Collapse of UST and LUNA - This was the most eventful week in many months, but, unfortunately, the end result was that $500 billion was wiped off the total cryptocurrency market cap. A calculated attack on UST triggered Terra's LUNA to crash more than 99% over the past few days. This caused a corresponding fall and de-pegging in the price of UST, Terra's algorithmic, decentralized stablecoin. This episode offers a deep dive into the events behind the $500 billion+ loss of value in the crypto space, as well as insight into how UST & Luna worked. We also cover the most recent updates in the crypto law space, including an NFT ruling from the UK and a DAO lawsuit in California. This episode pulled insights from the CryptoLaw Newsletter, Jake Chervinsky, Wassie Lawyer, @OnChainWizard, @ItsAlwaysZonny, and @tatianakoffman. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review or letting me know (@JacobRobinsonJD). You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes. Thanks to our sponsor - Hedera Hashgraph (@Hedera). Hedera is the most used, sustainable, enterprise-grade public network for the decentralized economy. They are looking to add bright legal minds to their team. You can review the available openings at hedera.com/future. When you apply, be sure to mention you heard about it on the Law of Code podcast!
May 16, 2022
#43 - Jesse Pollak: Building Web3 at Coinbase & beyond
Jesse Pollak (@jessepollak) currently works on protocols, public goods, cities, and currencies at Coinbase & beyond (more coming soon). He previously led all Retail engineering at Coinbase, including building Coinbase, Coinbase Pro, and Coinbase Wallet. Way back when, Jesse started Clef and was an engineer at BuzzFeed. He also writes open source software and takes incredible photos. You can find Jesse at jesse.xyz on ETH and on Twitter, Github, & LinkedIn. In this episode, we discuss building at Coinbase, Jesse's introduction to Bitcoin during a conversation with Olaf Carlson-Wee (Polychain Capital CEO), his project to bring crypto awareness and knowledge to the city of Oakland, and much more. Show highlights: [1:30] A conversation with Olaf Carlson-Wee [8:00] Cultivating coding skills [19:30] Minting a CryptoPunk [24:00] Online Pseudonymity [32:00] Software-enabled corporations & the future of DAOs [39:00] Perspective shifts in Web3 [42:00] Building @ Coinbase [48:00] Oakland Community Currency [54:00] Focus and discipline in Web 3 If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes. Thanks to our sponsor - Hedera Hashgraph (@Hedera). Hedera is the most used, sustainable, enterprise-grade public network for the decentralized economy. They are looking to add bright legal minds to their team. You can review the available openings at hedera.com/future. When you apply, be sure to mention you heard about it here on the Law of Code podcast!
May 09, 2022
#42 - Laura Shin: Investigating Ethereum, interviewing Vitalik, and balancing truth & consequences.
Laura Shin (@laurashin) is a crypto journalist, host of the Unchained podcast, and author of “The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed, Lies, and the Making of the First Big Cryptocurrency Craze” (PublicAffairs, 2022). During the course of writing her book, she and her sources uncovered who they believe was behind the biggest whodunnit in crypto — the 2016 DAO attack on Ethereum. Formerly a senior editor at Forbes, she was the first mainstream journalist to cover crypto full-time, and her podcasts and videos have had more than 19 million downloads and views. Shin has spoken about cryptocurrency at places such as TEDx San Francisco, the International Monetary Fund, Singularity University and the Oslo Freedom Forum. In this interview, Laura shares her original intention behind writing The Cryptopians, interviewing Vitalik, and her favourite moments from the book! Show highlights: [2:30] Laura's first piece of journalism [6:00] Full-time Bitcoin reporting [11:00] Staying updated on crypto [14:00] Laura's favourite moment writing The Cryptopians [17:00] Self-care in crypto [23:00] The importance of writing [25:30] First week writing The Cryptopians [33:30] Interviewing Vitalik [39:00] Difficult moments [48:00] Remaining neutral while reporting [56:00] What was left out of The Cryptopians [57:00] Truth vs Consequences [63:00] Legal side of crypto [68:30] Other professions Laura considered [73:40] Blind spots [79:00] Religion & Crypto [85:00] Doing what you love Links: Laura's Book: The Cryptopians Laura's Newsletter: Unchained Laura's Podcast Channel If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes. Thanks to our (first-ever) sponsor - Hedera Hashgraph (@Hedera). Hedera is the most used, sustainable, enterprise-grade public network for the decentralized economy. They are looking to add bright legal minds to their team. You can review the available openings at hedera.com/future. When you apply, be sure to mention you heard about it here on the Law of Code podcast!
May 06, 2022
#41 - Ben Samaroo: CEO of WonderFi on building, managing risk, and making decisions
Ben Samaroo (@BenSamaroo) is CEO/Co-Founder at WonderFi Technologies Inc, one of the largest players in the Canadian crypto space. Ben began building WonderFi with the mission of lowering barriers to entry to crypto and decentralized finance in support of a more equitable financial system. Previously, Ben was an executive and regulatory consultant with broad experience in managing corporate finance, risk and compliance on behalf of Fintech companies. He previously served as Regulatory Consultant and Advisor at Netcoins, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer for First Coin Capital, a Vancouver-based company that was acquired by Galaxy Digital. Prior, he was a lawyer at Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt LLP, where advised public and private companies on M&A and capital raises. In this episode, we discuss DeFi, taking risks, and building one of Canada's largest crypto companies. Show highlights: [2:50] Ben's Genesis Block [9:30] WonderFi [12:35] Best Decisions [16:00] Taking Risks [25:13] Playing Offense in Business and Life [32:00] WonderFi's Foundation & Acquisitions [38:44] Legal Experience - Asset or Burden? [49:24] Flair Airlines [52:00] Habits [56:10] Great Lawyers If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
May 02, 2022
#40 - Uniswap Class Action, LeXPunK Proposal & Much More (April 28)
(April 28) This episode is an overview of the legal landscape for digital assets, outlining the implications, pertinent news, and updates in the crypto law space from the past week. It is a collaboration between the Law of Code Podcast and the CryptoLaw Newsletter, by Ann Sofie Cloots. This will be a weekly installment to ensure you're up to date on the regulations impacting digital assets. This "solo-pod" is an attempt to add value to the space by highlighting ongoing blockchain regulation across the world - with a focus on the legal implications. It's a work in progress and can only get better. I appreciate any feedback on this format - please send your thoughts to @JacobRobinsonJD. If you have suggestions for topics for future solo-pods, I'd love to hear that as well. Now go subscribe to the CryptoLaw Newsletter (@cryptolaw_news)!
April 28, 2022
#39 - Stepan Simkin: Building for DAOs (after a Legal Career)
Stepan Simkin (@SimkinStepan) is the co-founder and CEO of Squads (https://squads.so/) and a former attorney at the international law firm Clifford Chance LLP. Squads raised millions to build DAO tooling for the Solana ecosystem. Squads' goal is to simplify the DAO framework and make it accessible to the majority of users who are familiar with web3 or are just discovering it. By combining the core DAO primitives under one platform and building it on a fast and scalable layer 1 blockchain like Solana, they hope that Squads will become a social hub for web3 coordination. Their focus is on a clean and simplified UI/UX combined with scalability and predictable fees to democratize the DAO framework. In this episode, we cover Stepan's transition from lawyer to CEO, solving problems DAOs face, buying NFTs and Squads. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
April 25, 2022
#38 - Miles Jennings: Decentralization, Web3 & a16z
Miles Jennings (@milesjennings) is the general counsel of a16z crypto, where he oversees the firm's investments, works on regulatory and policy matters, and works with the firm's portfolio companies and DAOs on decentralized operations, protocol design and regulatory matters. Miles was previously a partner at Latham & Watkins in its capital markets and emerging companies group, and co-chaired its global blockchain and cryptocurrency task force, which was composed of over 80 lawyers around the globe. In that role, Miles acted as lead counsel for nearly every large investor in the sector, including a16z, Paradigm, Pantera, ParaFi, Ribbit, Coatue and others. In addition, he was a go-to, trusted advisor for countless startups and crypto projects, including ConsenSys, Uniswap, Aave, Bitwise, Avalanche, Element, Idle, Connext, 3Box, and Aztec. Miles has written extensively on legal frameworks for digital assets and decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs), and on the design of decentralized systems. He previously co-authored “A Legal Framework for Decentralized Autonomous Organizations” with David Kerr. In this episode, we discuss his recently published “Principles & Models of Web3 Decentralization” paper. You find a summarized version of the paper here. Show highlights [5:08] Legal work in crypto [7:52] SAFTs & issues around them [10:45] Why he wrote a paper on decentralization [14:00] Surprising insights while writing about decentralization [20:20] Goal of writing on decentralization [29:00] Howey: efforts of others & DAOs - best practices [37:50] Conflict of interest for a16z [48:20] VCs as legal clients [58:00] Information asymmetry [69:50] Writing strategies If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
April 22, 2022
#37 - This Week in Crypto Law (April 14)
(April 8-14) This episode is an overview of the legal landscape for digital assets, outlining the implications, pertinent news, and updates in the crypto law space from the past week. It is a collaboration between the Law of Code Podcast and the CryptoLaw Newsletter, by Ann Sofie Cloots. This will be a weekly installment to ensure you're up to date on the regulations impacting digital assets. This "solo-pod" is an attempt to add value to the space by highlighting ongoing blockchain regulation across the world - with a focus on the legal implications. It's a work in progress and can only get better. I appreciate any feedback on this format - please send your thoughts to @JacobRobinsonJD. If you have suggestions for topics for future solo-pods, I'd love to hear that as well. Now go subscribe to the CryptoLaw Newsletter!
April 14, 2022
#36 - This Week in Crypto Law (April 7)
(April 1-7) This episode is an overview of the legal landscape for digital assets, outlining the implications, pertinent news, and updates in the crypto law space from the past week. It is a collaboration between the Law of Code Podcast and the CryptoLaw Newsletter, by Ann Sofie Cloots. This will be a weekly installment to ensure you're up to date on the regulations impacting digital assets. This "solo-pod" is an attempt to add value to the space by highlighting ongoing blockchain regulation across the world - with a focus on the legal implications. It's a work in progress and can only get better. I appreciate any feedback on this format - please send your thoughts to @JacobRobinsonJD. If you have suggestions for topics for future solo-pods, I'd love to hear that as well. Now go subscribe to the CryptoLaw Newsletter!
April 07, 2022
#35 - Lana Schwartzman: Chief Compliance Officer at Dapper Labs
Lana Schwartzman (@LanaCryptoAML) is the Chief Compliance Officer at Dapper Labs, the team behind NBA Top Shots, NFL All Day, and Cryptokitties. Lana has more than 17 years of experience specializing in compliance, cryptocurrency regulations, and AML. Specifically, in BSA/AML/OFAC program development, MSB/MTL licensure process, internal audits, independent compliance program reviews, and consent order validation for various cryptocurrency exchange companies, financial institutions, and foreign banking organizations. Prior to joining Dapper Labs, she spent close to 3 years as a Chief Compliance Officer at a regulated P2P marketplace, and previously spent 7 years at Grant Thornton LLP in the Regulatory Risk Group specializing in BSA/AML and OFAC regulations. Lana spent her early years at Morgan Stanley and Deutsche Bank in various compliance roles. Lana is known as a subject matter expert in Regulations and Compliance related to cryptocurrency and she stays current on all AML regulations. Lana is a Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (CAMS) and obtained the ACAMS Virtual Currency Certification and various Chainalysis certifications. She achieved the recognition of "AML Professional of the Month" in 2019 and has been a frequent panelist at various ACAMS, ACFCS, and Bitcoin conferences. You can also find Lana on LinkedIn. In this episode of Law of Code, Lana explains what a chief compliance officer does, building a compliance program, and why a compliance officer isn't the "fun police." We also discuss: - Mining Bitcoin - Dapper Labs - Where compliance officers add value - Learning more about compliance regulation - Surprising aspects of a compliance role - Changing sentiment of regulators - Promoting inclusion and diversity If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
April 06, 2022
#34 - David Kerr: The UNA framework for DAOs
David Kerr (@David_M_Kerr) is the Principal of Cowrie LLC, where he uses ten years of experience in tax strategy, financial accounting, and risk advisory in the industries of gaming, telecommunications, and technology-driven online sales platforms to assist clients. David co-authored "A Legal Framework for Decentralization Autonomous Organizations" together with Miles Jennings. This paper identified a number of taxation, entity formation, and operational issues pertaining to DAOs and suggested a domestic entity structure capable of addressing such issues. In this episode of Law of Code, David shares his views on today's DAOs, writing techniques, settling on the UUNAA framework, and all things taxes. [1:36] DAOs [8:00] Proving decentralization [16:30] Decentralization as a demonstrable principle [19:00] DAOs & Taxes [21:00] Section 61 & Glenshaw Glass: Dominion and Control [28:30] Income events for token holders [32:00] Writing concisely and the DAO Research Collective [46:00] David’s intro to crypto & consulting background [55:58] Tips for great writing and conducting research across jurisdictions [60:09] Building a career If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
April 01, 2022
#33 - This Week in Crypto Law
(March 24-31) This episode is an overview of the legal landscape for digital assets, outlining the implications, pertinent news, and updates in the crypto law space from the past week. It is a collaboration between the Law of Code Podcast and the CryptoLaw Newsletter, by Ann Sofie Cloots. This will be a weekly installment to ensure you're up to date on the regulations impacting digital assets. This "solo-pod" is an attempt to add value to the space by highlighting ongoing blockchain regulation across the world - with a focus on the legal implications. It's a work in progress and can only get better. I appreciate any feedback on this format - please send your thoughts to @JacobRobinsonJD. If you have suggestions for topics for future solo-pods, I'd love to hear that as well. Now go subscribe to the CryptoLaw Newsletter!
March 31, 2022
#32 - This Week in Crypto Law
This episode is an overview of the legal landscape for digital assets, outlining the implications, pertinent news, and updates in the crypto law space from the past week. It is a collaboration between the Law of Code Podcast and the CryptoLaw Newsletter, by Ann Sofie Cloots. Moving forward, this will be a weekly installment to ensure you're up to date on the regulations impacting digital assets. This "solo-pod" is an attempt to add value to the space by highlighting ongoing blockchain regulation across the world - with a focus on the legal implications. It's a work in progress and can only get better. I appreciate any feedback on this format - please send your thoughts to @JacobRobinsonJD. If you have suggestions for topics of future solo-pods, I'd love to hear that as well! Now go subscribe to the CryptoLaw Newsletter.
March 24, 2022
#31 - Biden's Executive Order on Digital Assets
Last week, the @WhiteHouse released its long-anticipated Executive Order on cryptocurrencies, marking the first time this administration explicitly highlighted the need to preserve innovation and competitiveness in the US. This Executive Order lays out a process for multiple agencies to write a framework around digital assets. This episode is an overview of the Executive Order, outlining the implications, pertinent sections, and reactions from thought leaders in the cryptolaw space. Here are links where you can read the full Executive Order and Fact-Sheet. Jake Chervinsky's (@jchervinsky) article on stablecoins. Highly recommend following Ryan Selkis (@twobitidiot), Congressman Tom Emmer (@RepTomEmmer) and Jerry Brito (@jerrybrito), whose insightful comments were mentioned throughout this episode. This "solo-pod" is my attempt to add value to the space by highlighting ongoing blockchain regulation across the world - with a focus on the legal implications. It's a work in progress and can only get better (right??). Would appreciate any feedback on this format @JacobRobinsonJD or by leaving a review. If you have suggestions for topics of future solo-pods, I'd love to hear that as well!
March 21, 2022
#30 - Ross Campbell: Legal Engineering and Kali DAO
Ross Campbell (@r_ross_campbell) is a legal engineer and core developer for SushiSwap, LexDAO, and KaliDAO, in addition to being a corporate attorney. In this episode of Law of Code, Ross speaks from his ETH Denver hotel room on legal engineering with the Lex and Kali DAOs, how projects can work with both, and the impact of decentralization on nations. Listen and subscribe to Law of Code for weekly updates and interviews in the world of blockchain at the intersection of the law. [2:14] Ross catches us up on current projects and how Soulmate is creating a library of smart contracts [5:43] Saving gas and testnets [8:00] Difference between Testnets and EVM (& forking mainnet) [9:14] Gas fees [11:40] ETH Denver [14:54] Will developers rug pull lawyers? [25:30] What to consider when forming a DAO [29:38] Kali DAO: What it is, how it works, etc. [40:00] Ross' productivity hacks [46:11] Reframing ‘thinking like a lawyer' [48:44] Accredited investor laws [52:01] Individualism [55:36] Nation-states vs decentralization [60:00] Social safety nets & DAOs [68:20] Mistakes often made when starting down the path of a legal engineer [73:00] $ROSS token Show Notes: - Marty Lobdell - Study Less Study Smart - Cyberspace and the Law of the Horse - LexDAO - Kali DAO
March 17, 2022
#29 - Bennett Tomlin: The Tether & Bitfinex Connection
Bennett Tomlin (@BennettTomlin) is the co-host of the podcast Crypto Critics’ Corner, where he breaks down current events in crypto & finance. He is a data scientist who loves to analyze and track down frauds. Bennett also writes a newsletter, the Facts Under Dispute (FUD) Letter, which takes a deep dive into the darkest corners of crypto on a monthly basis. Bennett is a vocal & endearing critic of DeFi, and offers unique and refreshing insight while keeping a close eye on the largest players in the space. In this episode of Law of Code, Bennett and Jacob discuss the evolution of stablecoins, the relationship between Bitfinex & Tether, and what the future holds for Bitcoin. We also cover: [1:16] Bennett's Introduction to Bitcoin [5:05] Crypto Critic's Corner [10:45] Conducting Crypto Research [17:00] Danger of Centralized Actors [19:10] The Story of Bitfinex & Tether [32:30] Government Regulation of Stablecoins [39:33] Consensus, Decentralization & Bitcoin Hard Forks [45:50] Projects Bennett is Watching [50:10] Best Advice: "It's better to ask a dumb question, than to fail to ask it and be dumb" Listen and subscribe to Law of Code for weekly updates and interviews on the intersection of blockchain and the law.
March 02, 2022
#28 - Stephen Palley: Crypto regulation, building a team, and defining decentralization
Stephen D. Palley (@stephendpalley) is a Partner in the Washington, D.C office of Anderson Kill, where he chairs the Technology, Media & Distributed Systems practice group. Stephen has written extensively and been quoted widely on legal issues arising from the use of blockchain technology, with appearances in both print and television media. He is also an editor of the International Journal of Blockchain Law (IJBL), a law journal helping non-legal communities better understand blockchain applications and digital assets. In this episode, Stephen discusses his path into the crypto space, gives insight into building a crypto-law dream team, and the truth behind his love for two spaces after each period. Listen and subscribe to Law of Code for weekly updates and interviews on the intersection of blockchain and the law. Episode highlights: [1:10] The Car Game [4:45] Choosing Law School over an English PhD [9:00] How a legal career is different than what Stephen expected [11:55} From Construction and Insurance Law to Crypto [16:50] Impasse Breaker [20:30] Advantages in a legal career from a programming background [23:26] Software Development and Engineering: Licenses? [28:56] Chair Gensler [31:00] Regulatory oversight & what is "decentralization" legally [36:40] Writing for The Block and cases covering decentralization [38:00] Working with anonymous clients? [40:45] The two words why Stephen joined Anderson Kill [53:00] What do young lawyers spend too much time on [56:00] Valuable habits Stephen has developed over the years [58:00] Two spaces after a period, fonts, Google Docs, Twitter & Herring. Of course. Links: The Block - Stephen D. Palley
February 25, 2022
#27 - Nelson Rosario: The Intersection of Intellectual Property & NFTs
Nelson Rosario (@NelsonMRosario) is the founder of Rosario Tech Law, a boutique law firm in Illinois focused on companies building the new economy on top of blockchain. Nelson’s widely respected commentary and analysis have been featured in the New York Times, TechCrunch and CoinDesk. In this episode of Law of Code, Nelson and Jacob discuss IP and copyright, SpiceDAO, and what the future holds for NFTs. [1:57] What sold Nelson on blockchain [11:35] Why IP law is so important [14:40] NFT & IP concerns people are overlooking [18:00] Spice DAO [25:40] The future of copyright in a digital world [32:15] Benefits of open-source IP [38:43] Answering novel legal questions [43:27] Starting Rosario Tech Law [49:42] Nelson’s love for Chicago [53:46] What habits make a great lawyer?
February 18, 2022
#26 - Preston Byrne: The legal differences between Ethereum's ICO & Bitcoin, DAO trends, and building a crypto-law practice.
Preston Byrne (@prestonjbyrne) is a partner at Anderson Kill, where his practice is focused on early-stage high-tech companies, particularly regarding corporate transactions, IP, and other cross-border legal issues. He was previously a co-founder of Monax, the first permissioned blockchain, in 2014. In this episode, Preston gives a history of his involvement in blockchain, looks at the evolution of DAOs, and gives his perspective on running a crypto practice. He also explains landing his first client on the day he was called to the bar. Listen and subscribe to Law of Code for weekly updates and interviews in the world of blockchain at the intersection of the law. Show highlights: [02:10] Preston's introduction to Bitcoin [13:17] The mutation doctrine: Bitcoin and Ethereum. [19:43] Important things to keep in mind when building a crypto-law practice [24:07] Current DAO trends [34:57] NFTs, crypto, and the broader market [39:51] Best practices for interacting with crypto clients [44:32] Why return to the USA after law school in England? [50:58] Why Preston joined Anderson Kill [52:45] “The Back of the Envelope” [56:07] Exposure to cities as a category of risk [1:00:47] Remote-first lawyers [1:01:49] How has Preston’s reading shaped his views? [1:08:52] What advice shaped Preston's career? [1:11:29] What habits should lawyers establish early on? Resources: Applied Cryptography: Protocols, Algorithms and Source Code in C Sane Society by Erich Fromm Preston's site: https://prestonbyrne.com/
February 14, 2022
#25 - Lewis Cohen: A Masterclass on Securities, Currencies, and Building a Legal Career.
Lewis Cohen (@NYCryptoLawyer) is a co-founder of DLx Law, where his practice is focused on the use of blockchain and tokenization across capital markets. As a former global top 50 partner with 20 years of experience, Lewis is a frequent speaker on blockchain and is recognized by Chambers Global across legal, blockchain, and cryptocurrencies in the U.S. In this episode, Lewis discusses creating a law firm in the crypto space, gives a master class on securities and commodities, and discusses the role of bridging blockchain and real-world assets. Listen and subscribe to Law of Code for weekly updates and interviews in the world of blockchain at the intersection of the law. [00:00] Meet Lewis Cohen [01:44] Book recommendations [06:09] What got Lewis interested in blockchain? [07:59] DLx Law [11:11] DLx Coin 👀 [16:45] Crypto regulation [20:58] The role of on and off-ramps & KYC [23:59] What is a security, really [35:39] DAOs [39:01] What DAO would Lewis like to join? [42:23] What role might co-op statutes, regulation, and labor union treasuries play? [50:01] The Wyoming DAO statute [52:34] Bridging the gap between real-world and on-chain [55:43] What does Lewis think about stablecoins? [1:04:16] Building your knowledge and credibility in crypto [1:09:18] Lewis’ system for keeping on top of changes [1:11:41 With the constant change and iteration in crypto, what has surprised Lewis in recent years? [1:17:24] What advice did Lewis receive early on which shaped his career? Links: DeFi: A Pathway Forward by Alexander Lipton and Lewis Cohen Books: The Starfish and the Spider by Rod Beckstrom and Ori Brafman The Sovereign Individual by James Dale Davidson The Marshall Plan by Benn Steil Collected works of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle
February 04, 2022
#24 - Lori Stein: The world’s first publicly traded Bitcoin investment fund, DAOs, and Canadian crypto regulation.
Lori Stein is Co-Head of the Digital Assets and Blockchain practice at Osler, Hoskin, & Harcourt LLP, and a Partner in their Corporate Department. Lori is one of the top attorneys in Canadian FinTech & Securities, playing a major role in the development of crypto investment regulations. With clients such as 3iQ Corp., Lori had an integral role in establishing the first publicly traded Bitcoin & Ethereum investment funds in the world. Lori regularly advises Canadian companies on blockchain and cryptocurrency law, and has been widely published and quoted in the media for her expertise in this space. Show highlights: - The path to convincing the Ontario Securities Commission (OSC) to allow the world's first publicly traded crypto investment fund - How Lori prepared for her arguments to the OSC and best practices when navigating new areas of law "At one point, the idea of a gold or silver ETF was completely novel" - What regulators can do to capitalize on the potential of crypto, while protecting consumers - Comparing the burden of proof in Canada vs the United States - DAOs: Suitable approaches to legal recognition, applying the Howey test, and what the future holds - NFTs & securities regulation - Working with clients: first conversations and asking questions - Law of Code NFT? - Mentorship & much more.
January 24, 2022
#23 - Addison Cameron-Huff: Working with Ethereum co-founders, saying no, and everything you should know about building a law firm of one.
Addison Cameron-Huff (@aCameronhuff) has been practicing in the blockchain space since 2014. Addison has managed a blockchain wallet company, built dev teams, provided legal advice to founders of Ethereum, taught at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law, and was one of the first Canadian lawyers to work in blockchain. Show highlights: [3:15] - Why he received a call from a co-founder of Ethereum in 2014 [4:42] - Starting a crypto-law firm: What the first few months looked like [7:35] - Building momentum for your legal practice (including what not to do) and the importance of writing long-form articles [10:55] - Imposter syndrome in the legal industry [13:12] - When/How to say “I don’t know” when given a request you are unsure how to address [16:45] - How to stay abreast of fast-moving crypto developments (as well as the slower-moving legal side) [17:55] - The importance of understanding clients as you build your understanding of the law [18:44] - Why Addison chose to start his own firm instead of joining BigLaw [22:00] - The benefits of not scaling your law firm [25:45] - What early entrepreneurial experiences can offer as life lessons [31:00] - How Addison’s legal practice changed since 2014 [36:30] - The benefits of staying in the legal profession [39:00] - The first stablecoin in Canada [44:30] - The process associated with novel legal work (Canadian stablecoin) [48:30] - Twitter and American Law (from a Canadian’s perspective) [54:00] - DAOs over the next five years Thanks for listening!
January 17, 2022
#22 - Jacob Martin: Becoming @theNFTattorney, buying a crypto punk and building a crypto-focused firm after law school.
Jacob Martin (@thenftattorney) is an attorney based in Southern California, founder of JTM Tech Law, and General Partner at 2 Punks Capital. While in law school, Jacob founded a legal tech startup focused on "tying Testamentary documents to the blockchain." Today, as Founder of JTM Tech Law, he consults & advises NFT artists & collectors, DAOs, auction houses, entertainment & tech companies on all things crypto, blockchain, & NFT. Show highlights: - His introduction to Bitcoin and NFTs - Buying a Cryptopunk - Becoming the "NFT Attorney" & starting a crypto-focused practice - Learning the law as a sole practitioner - How Jacob produced the NFT Tax Guide - Why he's still a lawyer & much more.
January 10, 2022
#21 - Michael Bacina: Australia's approach to crypto, playing offence in your career and how America's crypto policies impact the globe.
Michael Bacina (@MikeBacina) is a Partner at Piper Alderman in Sydney, Australia. Michael advises companies at the intersection of cutting edge technology, automation and innovation. Michael regularly publishes on Blockchain and technology matters. He has been ranked Band 1 in FinTech by the prestigious Chambers & Partners in 2019, 2020 and 2021, and serves on the Board of Blockchain Australia and the Board of the Canadian Australian Chamber of Commerce. Show highlights: - Michael's blockchain-based practice at Piper Alderman - Building one of the best blockchain-focused legal practices in Australia - Recent Australian Government paper on virtual assets "We've never seen so many companies asking to be regulated" - The benefits of a background in computer programming - Michael's blog about blockchain law - Working with the Australian Government on crypto regulation - What makes a great lawyer - How to get a job in crypto law & much more.
January 03, 2022
#20 - Ari Redbord & Drew Morris: TRM Labs, VASPs, FATF and government vs private practice.
TRM Labs delivers cryptocurrency fraud detection and anti-money laundering (AML) solutions to financial institutions and governments worldwide. Ari Redbord (@ARedbord) is Head of Legal & Government Affairs at TRM. Prior to joining TRM, Ari served at the United States Department of the Treasury as a Senior Advisor to the Deputy Secretary and the Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (TFI). In this capacity, Ari worked with teams from the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), and other Treasury and interagency components on issues related to cryptocurrency, sanctions, the Bank Secrecy Act, and anti-money laundering strategies. Drew Morris (@Drew_Morris) is Legal Counsel at TRM. Prior to TRM, Drew was General Counsel at WorkJam and an Associate at Wilson Sonsini Goodrich and Rosati LLP. Show highlights: - Ari's introduction to crypto through experience with North Korea - Why TRM Labs is an important part of the crypto ecosystem - TRM Talks - Comparing the startup environment with work as a prosecutor - What they both learned in previous roles - FATF’s final version of its Updated Guidance for a Risk-Based Approach for Virtual Assets and Virtual Asset Providers - VASP - What makes a top calibre lawyer - How to network in the legal profession & much more.
December 27, 2021
#19 - Becoming a Crypto Lawyer: How to capitalize on your crypto-law interest, with Jake Chervinsky, Rebecca Rettig and Sarah Shtylman
Jake Chervinsky (@jchervinsky) is involved in all aspects of the crypto ecosystem & has a strong understanding of the regulatory space surrounding crypto. Jake is Head of Policy at the Blockchain Association and Advisor for the Variant Fund, and former General Counsel for Compound Labs. Rebecca Rettig (@RebeccaRettig1) is the General Counsel of the Aave Companies, a group of software development companies in Europe that build open source, blockchain-based software. Rebecca began her legal career at Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP in New York, litigating complex commercial disputes; prior to joining the Aave Companies, Rebecca was a partner at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips LLP in the financial services group, representing blockchain and crypto clients. Sarah (Hody) Shtylman (@SHodyEsq) is a Partner at Perkins Coie, where she advises innovators in the fintech and blockchain industries, and her clients range from entrepreneurs and startups to big tech and regulated financial institutions. Sarah’s background includes serving as in-house regulatory counsel at Coinbase (2nd lawyer hired), Levine & Associates (a litigation boutique), and Hody Esq., as a Sole Proprietor. This episode answers the question: What should I do if I want to become a crypto lawyer? While focused on crypto, the principles can be applied to any legal area. This was such a fun episode to record, as each guest offers incredible insights. Show highlights: - How Rebecca built a practice in crypto [3:30] - What helped Rebecca establish a crypto arbitration practice [7:45] - Sarah’s introduction to crypto [9:00] - Being the second lawyer at Coinbase [14:00] - Jake’s crypto law journey [16:00] - What law students should get on their resume to get roles in crypto [21:00] - How to determine which area of law to tie crypto into [34:00] - Finding an area of law in which to specialize [37:00] - Dealing with the pressure to specialize [41:00] “Recognizing when you hit diminishing returns in your job, and when it’s time to move on” - Jake - Imposter syndrome in the legal industry [44:00] - Do crypto lawyers need to learn to code? [49:00] - One important piece of advice for professionals beginning their careers [63:00] “Come join the revolution with us” - Rebecca Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed the podcast, please share and review. You can follow me, Jacob Robinson, on Twitter @jacobrobinsonjd. For the latest updates from Law of Code - subscribe to our newsletter.
December 20, 2021
#18 - Gabriel Shapiro & Sarah Brennan: Governance structures, LeXPunk, updating the VC model and DAOs.
Gabe and Sarah are experts on all things crypto and some of my brightest minds in the space. If you’re at all interested in Web3, you must follow both. Gabriel Shapiro (@lex_node) is General Counsel at Delphi Labs. Gabe was previously a Partner at Belcher, Smolen & Van Loo LLP, where he was a corporate attorney for builders of DeFi, DAOs, blockchain & other decentralization technologies. Sarah (Lord) Brennan (@SH_Brennan) is a corporate and securities attorney with over a decade of experience and a strong interest in technology who is passionate about helping companies grow and scale. Sarah is General Counsel at Delphi Ventures. Prior to joining Delphi, Sarah was Head of Harter Secrest & Emery LLP's Digital Assets and Disruptive Tech Practice and is a former Partner at Lippes Mathias LLP. Show highlights - Problems Gabe and Sarah see with the regulatory approach to crypto and viable paths forward - Competing philosophies around tokens – essentialism vs functionalism - What are tokens, legally? What should they be - What is decentralization legally, why is it important and how could this change in the future? - Governance structures, what does good governance mean, what are the common theories and opportunities, best practices - LeXPunk – 2-min intro to LexPunk + Builder Defense DAO, plans, visions, values - Updating the Venture Model for DeFi: problems & solutions - What aspect of crypto-law are Gabe and Sarah most interested in seeing develop and why & much more
December 13, 2021
#17 - Jason Gottlieb: Lawyers & DAOs, MoCo crypto-litigation tracker, Indexed Juris, NFTs & more.
Jason Gottlieb (@ohaiom) is a Partner in Morrison Cohen LLP’s Business Litigation Department, and Chair of the White Collar and Regulatory Enforcement practice group. Jason is the principal author of the MoCo Cryptocurrency Litigation Tracker and was named to the National Law Journal‘s inaugural list of Cryptocurrency, Blockchain and Fintech Trailblazers. Jason regularly advises U.S. and foreign companies on blockchain and cryptocurrency law relating to litigation and regulatory risk issues and has been widely published and quoted in the media for his cryptocurrency and blockchain expertise. Show highlights - Jason's introduction to crypto - Working at a Japanese Internet Service Provider in Tokyo - Building expertise in crypto-law - Kleiman v. Wright - Cryptocurrency litigation tracker - Indexed Finance Hack: ~$16m of tokens were stolen - Working with DAOs (50 min-mark) - NFTs & much more.
November 29, 2021
#16 - Sina Kian, VP of Strategy at Aleo: A16Z backed startup, Zero-Knowledge Proofs, and why "find your passion" is the wrong advice.
Sina Kian (@SinaKian1) is Vice President of Strategy at Aleo, a company that is building a decentralized blockchain with significantly enhanced data security and privacy capabilities. He is also an Adjunct Professor at NYU Law School, and a Term Member at the Council on Foreign Relations. Sina received his BA in History at the University of Virginia, and his JD from Stanford Law School. After law school, Sina clerked for Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., on the Supreme Court. Sina practiced law at WilmerHale, later transitioning to an investing role, working as a Vice President at Blackstone, and then to Kennedy Lewis. Show highlights: - His current role at Aleo (aleo.org) - What is Aleo? What problem does this a16z backed startup solve? - Clerking for Justice Roberts on the Supreme Court - Why transition out of law? - Zero-Knowledge Proofs - Targeting Developers - Finding the perfect mentor & much more. Sina is brilliant and this interview is packed with interesting takeaways.
November 22, 2021
#15 - Drew Hinkes: Rug pulls, preventing the loss of private keys, United States v. Van Buren, and "not your legal title, not your coins"
Nominated as one of Coindesk’s Most Influential People in Blockchain in 2017, Andrew “Drew” Hinkes (@propelforward) is a Partner with K&L Gates, working as part of its National Blockchain and Digital Currency practice. Drew was appointed as an Adjunct Professor by the NYU Stern Business School and the NYU School of Law, where he co-teaches “Digital Currency, Blockchains, and the Future of the Financial Services Industry.” Drew is also the co-founder and General Counsel of Athena Blockchain, a professional services firm focused on tokenized investment products. Show highlights: Drew's blockchain story His legal practice Cryptolaw at NYU Stern His 2019 paper: Throw away the key, or the key holder? Coercive contempt for lost or forgotten cryptocurrency private keys, or obstinate holders. How courts best prevent the "loss" of private keys 5th amendment response to private key requests Liens against identifiable cryptoassets Rug pulls United States v. Van Buren Time management Legal title and digital assets Drew was a fantastic guest and the episode is a great peek into the mind of one of the best crypto lawyers. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate a review!
November 15, 2021
#14 - Hailey Lennon: Bitcoin stories, CryptoConnect, public speaking and building a legal practice in Crypto
Hailey Lennon (@HaileyLennonBTC) is one of the most well-known lawyers in crypto law. Hailey is a shareholder in Anderson Kill’s Technology, Media and Distributed Systems Group. She is based in California and affiliated with Anderson Kill’s Los Angeles office. Hailey previously spent time as regulatory counsel for various companies in the crypto space, including Coinbase, bitFlyer, and Silvergate Bank. She frequently speaks at major conferences about the laws surrounding cryptocurrencies. Show highlights: - When Hailey was introduced to Bitcoin - Her journey from Law School to Crypto Lawyer - Playing offense in your career - Scaling BSA/AML Programs - Stablecoins & the Biden Administration - CryptoConnect - NFTs - How to improve your public speaking ability You can learn more about Hailey here and follow her on Twitter. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you leave a review!
November 08, 2021
#13 - Evan Thomas: WealthSimple Crypto, going "all-in" on crypto, working with regulators & becoming a great lawyer.
Evan Thomas (@evanmthomas) is Head of Legal at WealthSimple Crypto, a platform launched by WealthSimple as the first regulated crypto exchange in Canada. Prior to joining Wealthsimple, Evan spent nearly 15 years as a litigator with Osler Hoskin & Harcourt LLP, where he focused on cases involving technology and data. Before his legal career, Evan worked as a software developer and systems/network administrator. Show highlights: - Evan's genesis block - Why Evan left Big Law for crypto - Advice for lawyers considering going "all-in" in crypto - How regulators can work with crypto exchanges to balance innovation with consumer protection - Coinbase Lend - NFTs - Time management as a lawyer - What makes a great lawyer You can find Evan on Twitter @evanmthomas. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate a review!
November 01, 2021
#12 - Collins Belton (Part 2): NFTs, rug pulls, fiduciary duty, Twitter habits and routines & what's next for Collins.
Collins Belton (@collins_belton) is one of the brightest minds in crypto law. Collins is the founder and Managing Partner of Brookwood P.C., a boutique transactional practice focused on serving founders, startups and emerging technology companies working on frontier technology, particularly in the digital asset space. Show highlights: - NFTs: Dutch auctions vs Vickrey auctions - Collins Coin? - Equity in exchange for legal advice - Fiduciary responsibility in NFTs - Gaining crypto experience as a young lawyer - What's next for Collins? - What makes a great lawyer - Anime, cooking, and other hobbies. Collins was so great that we’ve turned the interview into two parts. You can listen to the first part here. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate a review!
October 25, 2021
#11 - Collins Belton (Part 1): Gary Gensler, Coinbase Lend, the Howey Test & the biggest legal problems facing crypto.
Collins Belton (@collins_belton) is one of the brightest minds in crypto law. Collins is the founder and Managing Partner of Brookwood P.C., a boutique transactional practice focused on serving founders, startups and emerging technology companies working on frontier technology, particularly in the digital asset space. Show highlights: - When Collins was introduced to blockchain technology - Why Collins founded Brookwood PC - Coinbase Lend - The Howey Test & investment contracts - Gary Gensler reframing the DeFi narrative - What Collins would do as head of the SEC - The biggest legal problems in crypto today Collins was so great that we’ve turned the interview into two parts. Check out our next episode to hear how Collins stays on top of all things crypto, his favorite NFTs, and what's next for Collins after he "retired" from private practice. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate a review!
October 18, 2021
#10 - Eric Richmond, COO at Coinsquare: Holding crypto for institutional clients, becoming a great crypto lawyer, and what's next for crypto lawyers.
Eric Richmond, COO at Coinsquare (formerly VP of Legal) and CEO at Tetra Trust, has extensive experience working with and advising startups and blockchain companies. Eric has extensive knowledge of the principles, applications, and current developments affecting blockchains. This interview is an excellent discussion on holding cryptocurrency for large clients, defining crypto as a security, and how to become a great crypto lawyer. Show highlights: - How Eric built a crypto practice as a young lawyer - Transitioning from private practice to in-house at a crypto exchange - Coinsquare & Tetra Trust - Working with Government actors - Applying current laws to DeFi - Crypto's "Cannabis" moment - What makes a great lawyer? You can learn more about Tetra Trust here and follow Eric on LinkedIn. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate if you leave a review!
October 11, 2021
#9 - Matthew Burgoyne: Building a legal career in crypto, securities laws and Bitcoin, securing your first crypto client, and what makes a great lawyer.
Matthew "Bitcoin" Burgoyne is a Partner at McLeod Law LLP, in Calgary, Canada. Matthew's legal practice involves securities and capital markets, with a focus on blockchain-based digital assets. He has been advising companies in the cryptocurrency space since the summer of 2013, making him one of the first Canadian lawyers to act for cryptocurrency companies in Canada. Matthew was an integral part of McLeod Law’s efforts to accept bitcoin as payment for legal services in the fall of 2013, making McLeod Law the first full-service law firm in Canada to accept bitcoin. His clients in the cryptocurrency and blockchain space include cryptocurrency exchange platforms, cryptocurrency wallet developers, issuers of digital currency (including stablecoins and NFTs), cryptocurrency miners, and cryptocurrency investment funds. Show highlights: - How Matthew first learned of blockchain technology in 2013 - Why he built a legal career with a cryptocurrency focus - How Matthew got his first crypto exchange client - Why crypto startups should bring in outside counsel early - What makes a great lawyer - The importance of publishing articles as a young lawyer You can view Matthew's profile here or follow him on Twitter (@burgoynematt). Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you leave a review!
October 04, 2021
#8 - Geoff Costeloe: Digital estate planning, tax considerations for holders of crypto and NFTs, and the future of smart contract estate planning
Geoff Costeloe is a lawyer and entrepreneur at Lindsey MacCarthy LLP, in Vancouver, Canada. Geoff’s legal practice revolves around estate planning and administration, with a focus on digital assets. Geoff knows crypto inside-out, and this episode is a deep dive into why estate lawyers are so important for holders of crypto and NFTs. We also touched on how blockchain technology will shape the estate planning profession over the next 5-10 years. Geoff was a great guest, is building a one-of-a-kind legal practice, and I’m grateful he took the time to speak with me. Show highlights: - Why it's never too early to begin estate planning - Tax implications of buying/selling digital assets - Why lawyers should join LexDAO - What regulators can do to ensure a thriving crypto economy - Smart contracts and the future of estate planning - Why individuals should work with a lawyer who understands blockchain technology You can find Geoff on Twitter (@gcosteloe), where he talks crypto, estate law, and even some Canadian politics. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you leave a review!
September 27, 2021
#7 - Any Obando: NFTs, NBA Top-Shots, intellectual property law, and enforcing copyright law in a digital world.
Any Obando, Associate at Cozen O'Connor, practices intellectual property law and has a great understanding of NFTs. In this episode, Any explains what NFTs are, what businesses will benefit from NFTs, IP associated with NBA Top Shots, and what legal rights NFT holders are entitled to. This interview is an excellent primer on the laws surrounding NFTs, as Any is very knowledgeable in this space. I recommend anyone interested in NFTs use this podcast as an all-encompassing introduction. Show highlights: - When Any first learned of blockchain technology - What is an NFT? - The novel benefits NFTs offer when compared to Web 2 digital assets - IP rights associated with NBA Top Shots - Storing NFTs in digital wallets - Legislation impacting NFTs - Advice Any wishes she knew before beginning her legal career You can view Any's profile here or follow her on LinkedIn. Here's the primer on NFTs we discussed. Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you leave a review!
September 20, 2021
#6 - James McCall: The LexDAO Episode
James McCall, Legal Engineer at LexDAO, is building Farmapper LLC, a platform putting agriculture online through the blockchain. James does not currently represent legal clients but has a dual major finance/accounting undergraduate degree and a JD law degree. He has experience originating and servicing a large commercial loan portfolio for various lending institutions to finance agricultural real estate. We spoke about all things LEX Dao and blockchain law. Show highlights: - Transitioning from Lawyer to Legal Engineer - How lawyers can learn to code - Why lawyers should join LexDAO - How new members can thrive in LexDAO - What projects the lawyers/engineers at LexDAO are building - Helpful habits for young professionals You can find James on Twitter (@mccallios), where he talks NFTs, DeFi, and all things crypto. You also can find LexDAO on Twitter (lex_dao) Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you leave a review!
September 13, 2021
#5 - Ross Campbell: Legal engineering, Bar Association DAOs, use cases for oracles, and much, much more
Ross Campbell, Legal Engineer at LexDAO and co-founder of OpenEsquire, discusses building in the legal engineering space, the best use cases for DAOs, and why he's helping build OpenEsquire. This interview is packed with takeaways, and Ross continues to amaze me with his knowledge of this space (I am out of my league - I began studying immediately after our conversation). Highly recommend any lawyer interested in blockchain technology use this podcast to learn from Ross. Show highlights: - How to avoid being "coded out of a job" - Transitioning from Big Law to Legal Engineer - Building OpenEsquire (an LLC DAO) - Forming LexDAO and working with DAOs - Why DAOs are easily attackable and best strategies for DAO consensus - The importance of private law concepts for DAOs - Why trusts should use DAOs & how Bar Associations can benefit from operating as a DAO Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you leave a review!
August 09, 2021
#4 - Erich Dylus: How Web3 can leverage off-chain data in a compliant manner
Erich Dylus, Legal Engineer at API3 DAO, discusses how API3 is building a GDPR compliant product for blockchain, along with the idea of 1st and 3rd party oracles. Show highlights: - When Erich was introduced to blockchain technology - How API3 is building compliance-focused oracle software - The EU's GDPR & international privacy regulations affecting crypto - Why learning solidity is important (Erich's github is helpful) - The legal future of DAOs - The movie of the year, Dune Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you can take a minute to leave a review!
August 04, 2021
#3 - Daniel Rollingher: Putting real estate on a blockchain
Daniel Rollingher, General Counsel at Fabrica.land, discusses how he is building a blockchain for real estate, along with the difficulties of working with jurisdictions across America. Show highlights: - When Daniel was introduced to blockchain technology - How Fabrica works to put real estate on-chain - The skills required as in-house counsel for a blockchain company - Most difficult roadblocks to gaining widespread blockchain adoption - What most people get wrong about blockchain laws - The future of real estate on the blockchain Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, we'd appreciate it if you can take a minute to leave a review!
July 29, 2021
#2 - Dr. Muharem Kianieff: Creator of Canada's first course on blockchain law
Dr. Muharem Kianieff, Associate Professor at the University of Windsor Faculty of Law, discusses the KYC and privacy laws affecting crypto, along with what the history of credit cards can teach us about the widespread adoption of crypto. Show highlights: - His introduction to blockchain technology - How crypto can adapt to satisfy privacy legislation - Which period of history is most analogous to the current state of crypto - Why, as an academic, he doesn't own any crypto - What most people get wrong about blockchain laws - The evolving crypto regulations that Professor Kianieff is keeping an eye on Thanks for listening - If you enjoyed the show, please leave a review - it would be a huge help and we'd really appreciate it!
July 26, 2021
Introduction to Law of Code
Welcome to the Law of Code podcast! Law of Code focuses on the legal frameworks surrounding blockchain technology. You’ll learn about the crypto laws, IP, and copyrights surrounding NFTs, and stay updated on the legal landscape of blockchain. While this podcast focuses on Canadian laws, we’ll look at best practices and new regulations across jurisdictions. You’ll hear from the top lawyers, lawmakers, and entrepreneurs in the space - we’ll touch on new legal strategies countries are implementing, adoption of blockchains in different industries, and share ideas on the best path forward. We’re launching the show on Wednesday, July 7th. Subscribe today to stay updated on the laws of blockchain.
July 02, 2021