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By Legacies of War

Welcome to Thip Khao Talk from Legacies of War! The purpose of the Thip Khao Talk Podcast is to open up more dialogue about topics that greatly impact communities due to the aftermath of the American Secret War in Laos and U.S. wars in Southeast Asia. This includes the ongoing UXO issues and other war legacies.

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EP 004: Leading a Movement Toward a Zero-Waste Laos

Thip Khao TalkJul 14, 2022

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S2 EP3 'When The Bombs Stopped' with Dr. Erin Lin

S2 EP3 'When The Bombs Stopped' with Dr. Erin Lin

Sabaidee and hello! Welcome to another episode of Thip Khao Talk Podcast. Alex Hiniker, Legacies of War Board Chair Emeritus, sits down with our good friend, Dr. Erin Lin, to discuss her upcoming book 'When The Bombs Stopped'.

Dr. Lin specializes in the study of war’s long-term effects on human and economic development, both in Cambodia and more globally. One of the things that she seeks to do in her research and writing is to recover a more dynamic appreciation of the historical processes that shape development, by integrating personal interviews and on-the-ground fieldwork with archival data. She’s also interested in exploring multidisciplinary approaches to answer key questions in political science. 

Her major research topics include aerial bombings, unexploded ordnance, and rural poverty. Within these themes, she investigates farmer behavior, gender norms, and policy effectiveness. Beyond these social-science themes, she has a deep interest in heavy metal contamination in soil systems and image processing. 

Her work incorporates techniques from computer science, machine learning, soil science, economics, and anthropology, and has been cited by The Economist, Gizmodo, Fox News, and The Cambodia Daily, among other media outlets. She’s served on the Mines Advisory Group board of directors since 2021, and in 2022 was named a Young Investigator by the Air Force Office of Scientific Research,





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Learn more about Dr. Erin Lin: https://www.erin-lin.com/

Learn more about Legacies of War: https://www.legaciesofwar.org/

Apr 18, 202444:46
S2 EP2 Healing Out Lao'd with Rita Phetmixay
Mar 09, 202442:33
S2 EP1: 'The Long Reckoning' with George Black
Jan 26, 202449:44
EP0013: The Return of Cluster Muntions to Southeast Asia
Dec 18, 202330:09
EP0012: Behind the Curtain - The Summer Intern Saga

EP0012: Behind the Curtain - The Summer Intern Saga

Welcome to a special episode of Thip Khao Talk where your extraordinary guest narrators, Gracy, Janny, and Kadiatou, invite you to join them on an exclusive journey behind the scenes. In this episode, we embark on a captivating exploration of the distinctive world experienced by remote summer interns at Legacies of War.

Discover the challenges and triumphs of working from home while contributing to a mission of peace and healing. Gain insights into the dynamic virtual workspace that brings together a diverse team from across the United States, spanning the vast expanse from the West to the East coast.

Get ready to uncover the untold stories, personal experiences, and valuable lessons learned by these interns as they navigate the meaningful work of Legacies of War. Join us for an enlightening and inspiring glimpse into the life of a summer intern at the heart of a mission-driven organization.


Get to know our interns:

Gracy is currently a junior at Princeton University pursuing a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science and certificates in Statistics and Machine Learning and Technology and Society. She has a strong background in policy research and community involvement, with a deep commitment to human rights. She hopes to use her science and technology background to help aid social issues and target current political challenges. With her strong work ethic and empathy for affected communities, Gracy is determined to contribute to the inspiring mission of Legacies of War and raise awareness of the devastating consequences of war.


Janny is a junior at Princeton University, studying Public and International Affairs. She was born and raised in Kodiak, Alaska! In her free time, she likes to watch k-dramas, play tennis, and listen to Stray Kids. She was excited to be working with Legacies of War this summer and learn more about the history of Laos and work on educating and raising awareness of the Secret War in Laos!


Kadiatou was born in America but grew up in West Africa Guinea. She is a rising senior, attending the University of Dayton, who is currently studying English and minoring in Anthropology. Kadiatou wants to make an impact on the world. With her deep love for writing and comprehension, she wants to spread her experiences and heal those that are forced to abide by rules. Kadiatou wants people to know with her words and experiences that she sees them as she maneuvers through and conquers those rules. In her free time, she likes to hang out with her friends and family. She enjoys a space with community but also likes to have time for herself to read or listen to music.


Sep 12, 202317:00
EP 0011: Cultivating Community & Preserving Heritage Throuh Entrepreneurship

EP 0011: Cultivating Community & Preserving Heritage Throuh Entrepreneurship

  • Join the Sticky Rice Squad as we explore the theme of cultivating community and preserving heritage through Entrepreneurship. This time, we have the privilege of speaking to Alex Hanesakda, a passionate restaurant entrepreneur and the owner of SapSap Eats. SapSap, which translates to "delicious, delicious," in the Lao language, is a culinary haven that not only tantalizes the taste buds but also fosters a sense of togetherness through shared experiences.

    Born in a Thai refugee camp in Ubon, Alex's family hails from Laos, and their journey to the United States after the Vietnam War deeply influenced his perspective on heritage and the power of sharing it through food. Growing up in Burlington, Wisconsin, Alex witnessed firsthand how food can bridge cultural gaps and create lasting connections. This profound realization motivated him to embark on a mission to bring his family's heritage to the forefront and share it with the Mount Pleasant community and world.

    At SapSap Eats, Alex aims to emulate the spirit of togetherness that the Lao people have embraced for generations. It's not just about the food on the plate; it's about the communal experience of sharing a meal. By breaking away from the individualized approach often seen in Western dining culture, SapSap fosters an atmosphere where friends, families, and strangers alike come together to savor the vibrant flavors of Lao-inspired cuisine.

    From the moment you step through the doors of SapSap Eats, you're transported into a world where aromas dance in harmony and colorful dishes invite you to embark on a culinary adventure. The menu is a testament to Alex's dedication to preserving his family's traditions and many others in his community.

    In this podcast, we celebrate Alex's unwavering commitment to preserving his family's cherished traditions. With every bite, he pays homage to the rich culinary heritage that has been passed down through generations and makes sure our stories are not forgotten.


    Also check out Alex's feature by the Greater Racine County Channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxls2ApfgyU

    This episode was narrated by Gabriel Bradley


  • May 30, 202322:51
    EP 0010: Forget Me Not - Let’s not forget about Laos.
    Mar 01, 202317:00
    THIP KHAO TALK TRAILER 2023 Forget Me Not

    THIP KHAO TALK TRAILER 2023 Forget Me Not

    2023 marks a critical year for Legacies of War’s mission as it is the 50th year since the last American bombs were dropped on Laos (August 14th, 1973) as well as the 50th year since the signing of the Paris Peace Accords (January 27th, 1973).

    This year our podcast is focused on remembrance.

    This is an homage to all the lives that were lost during war, the current victims of UXO/landmine accidents, and future victims of UXO accidents if we do not find and remove indiscriminate weapons that still impact people today first. This is our way of showing the promise that we will never forget them and continue our fight for funding and education of the history and resolve the current problems.

    We think the Forget-Me-Not flower is fitting as it symbolizes love, respect and the promise that the recipient of the flower will always be remembered.


    Jan 30, 202301:22
    EP 009: Unpack with Legacies of War Pt. II

    EP 009: Unpack with Legacies of War Pt. II

    Our community engagement work is intentionally multi-disciplinary, integrating not only history and politics but also food, art, fashion, and cultural heritage. In addition to educating and mobilizing community members from the U.S. about the UXO issue in Laos, our work aims to help the diaspora from Laos to embrace the shared history of war and refuge it once shunned, turning shame and pain into a narrative of resiliency, cultural pride and healing.  

     This is why we return to Laos every year.   

    Unpack with our team, including our Board Members Pajouablai Monica Lee and Renee Ya as well as Aleena Inthaly, Danae Hendrickson, and Anna Phommachanthone as we revisit our most recent trip and what it means to a be a child of the diaspora and engaging with the communities impacted by the lasting effects of war. Retrace our steps with us as we take you all on a journey back to Southeast Asia.  

    We wrap up this year with our take on the future ahead and what we can all look forward to ahead in 2023 and beyond.

    Dec 23, 202234:01
    EP 008: Unpack with Legacies of War Pt. I

    EP 008: Unpack with Legacies of War Pt. I

    Our community engagement work is intentionally multi-disciplinary, integrating not only history and politics but also food, art, fashion, and cultural heritage. In addition to educating and mobilizing community members from the U.S. about the UXO issue in Laos, our work aims to help the diaspora from Laos to embrace the shared history of war and refuge it once shunned, turning shame and pain into a narrative of resiliency, cultural pride and healing.   

    This is why we return to Laos every year.   

    Unpack with our team for this very special two part- episode, listen to the voices of our Board Members Pajouablai Monica Lee and Renee Ya as well as Aleena Inthaly, Danae Hendrickson, and Anna Phommachanthone as we revisit our most recent trip and what it means to a be a child of the diaspora and engaging with the communities impacted by the lasting effects of war. 

    Retrace our steps with us as we take you all on a journey back to Southeast Asia.  We wrap up this year with our take on the future ahead and what we can all look forward to ahead in 2023 and beyond.

    Dec 23, 202222:16
    EP 007: Saving Lives with HeroRats and HeroDogs!

    EP 007: Saving Lives with HeroRats and HeroDogs!

    Rats and dogs aren’t usually the first things that come to mind when we talk about demining and bomb detection. But what if we told you that there were actual rats out in the world who are trained to detect bombs?  

    Sit down for this one of a kind episode where we get to chat with the APOPO team including Michael Heiman, Head of Programmes, all the way from Siem Reap, Cambodia to discuss the skills of life-saving rats, dogs,  and other creative methods for demining and UXO clearance.   

    Michael was appointed as the Head of Programs in August 2022, after previously serving as a Regional Manager and leading the Cambodia Mine Action Program since April 2018. APOPO’s Program in Cambodia is the largest mine action program in the organization, operating with 70+ rats and dogs in several locations in Cambodia in partnership withNational and International organizations. One of Michael’s main roles is to develop APOPO’s Technical Survey Dog methodology and implement it within APOPO programs and partners in Cambodia, South Sudan, Angola, Turkey and Azerbaijan. Michael represents APOPO on the IMAS Review Board, contributing to the development of IMAS Animal Detection chapters and Technical Notes. Prior to joining APOPO, Michael spent 10+ years leading various survey and clearance tasks, writing national standards and SOP’s, building training and accreditation areas, testing equipment, machines and animals. Michael also served 10 years in the Military Engineering Corps.

    Dec 22, 202219:12
    EP 006: Spreading Awareness with Art, the Story of Refugee Nation

    EP 006: Spreading Awareness with Art, the Story of Refugee Nation

    Art can bring people together and create healing and transformation out of the wreckage of war. We know what that is like first-hand through the incredible work of Ova Saopeng and Leilani Chan, co-founders of Teada productions.   

    Since 2005 collaborators Leilani Chan and Ova Saopeng have been collecting oral histories from Laotian families and community members across the country to create an interdisciplinary theater performance that explores the impact of war, refugees, global politics, and U.S. citizenship.  Through the collection of oral histories, the show reveals connections between American and Southeast Asian history and the unique challenges faced by political refugees and their American children.  It gives voice to the Laotian Diaspora—yet to be included in the American experience. Refugee Nation continues to grow with the certainty of new refugee arrivals coming from the Middle East, Africa, and Eastern Europe.   The question remains what can we learn from the wounds of a war 50 years ago that are still yet to be healed?   

    Find out by listening!

    Dec 22, 202224:48
    EP 005: Trailblazing Research in Cambodia with Dr. Erin Lin
    Sep 01, 202223:55
    EP 004: Leading a Movement Toward a Zero-Waste Laos

    EP 004: Leading a Movement Toward a Zero-Waste Laos

    This Thip Khao Talk, we had the pleasure of speaking with Souksaveuy Keotiamchanh, founder of Zero Waste Laos based out of Vientiane.


    Zero Waste Laos, an organization founded in 2019 and pursuing non-profit status, began as a Facebook group to increase awareness about waste management and has since evolved to appoint and train youth to be “Sustainability Leaders”, increase awareness of environmental issues and pragmatic solutions, and advocate for banning single-use plastics and trash burning. The organization recruits volunteers, trains youth ambassadors, and works with community partners to spread awareness about waste management and “green” practices, and engages various Laos sectors in the fight against climate change.

    Open burning of trash has been recognized as a very common way for people to get rid of their waste in Laos. Over the years it has also proven to be a very dangerous and risky method for disposing of waste, especially in areas that are heavily contaminated with unexploded ordnance.

    Zero Waste Laos’ goals include becoming a non-profit, establishing “role model schools” across Laos, encouraging youth to solve environmental issues through providing environmental education on waste separation, composition, and burning, and campaigning for a bottom-up approach to ban single-use plastic and stop trash burning.

    Jul 14, 202216:47
    EP 003: Matriarchs in May

    EP 003: Matriarchs in May

    As we celebrated Mother’s Day and continue to celebrate Asian Pacific American Heritage month, in today’s Thip Khao Talk, we are reflecting on the stories of matriarchs in the Laotian community.

    In this special episode, we are joined by our Chief of Staff, Aleena Inthaly’s Mother Vienxay Inthaly as she opens up about the past and shares her hopes for the future. During this talk, we also hear from another matriarch and past Thip Khao Talk special guest, Pa Bounthanh Phommasathit who serves as the inspiring voice that brings together generations and provides comfort to other mothers in the community to open up and amplify their voices too.

    Join us for this emotional episode, as we listen to the stories of Lao Americans and how reslience, love, and loss can help us build a brighter future for generations to come.

    Bios of the moms:

    Bounthanh Phommasathit is a bombing survivor, a former refugee originating from Laos, and a community-minded entrepreneur. Her past experiences continue to resonate with her and have driven her to become the woman she is today. She earned a B.A. in social work from Capital University and received a Master of Human Services Management from Franklin University in Columbus, Ohio.

    Vienxay Inthaly is a known as a Lao dessert extraordinaire, community aunty for all, and serves on the Board of Directors of the newly formed Jai Dee Organization of Virginia. She remains one of Legacies of War’s longest serving volunteers and community caterers and has shared that one of the best ways she continues to serve the community is through cooking and sharing her love of food with the neighborhood.

    May 10, 202227:54
    EP 002: Legacies Moments Captured in Photos with Elaine Russell

    EP 002: Legacies Moments Captured in Photos with Elaine Russell

    Prior to our recording, Elaine Russell, Author and former member of Legacies of War’s Board of Directors sat down with us to uncover an archive of over 3,000 photos captured from the very first trips with Legacies. This Thip Khao, we will be flipping through the various photos of the special faces and places we will always remember as part of our mission’s tapestry of hope.

    Elaine first traveled to Laos in 2006 to research her novel, Across the Mekong River, the story of a Hmong family fleeing Laos after the Vietnam War-era civil war. On this trip she learned about the terrible tragedy of unexploded ordnance (UXO), remaining from U.S. bombing campaigns in Laos during the Vietnam War. On returning home, Elaine connected Legacies of War.

    She volunteered with the group, assisting at many Legacies’ events around the U.S., and serving on the Legacies’ Board of Directors for five years. She traveled with the organization to Laos in 2008 and 2010, and remains an ardent supporter of the groups important mission.

    Elaine has written two essays on the civil war in Laos and its aftermath. The first essay, “Legacies of War: Cluster Bombs in Laos,” was coauthored with Channapha Khamvongsa, previously Director of Legacies of War. The article was first published in the Critical Asian Studies Journal in June of 2009. It has since been updated to reflect current information on the situation and the progress made in UXO clearance in Laos. This article is included in the book: The United States, Southeast Asia, and Historical Memory, Edited by Mark Pavlick with Caroline Luft. Chicago, Illinois, Haymarket Books, June 2019.

    Elaine also wrote the essay, “Living with Unexploded Ordnance: Past Memories and Present Realities in Laos,” published in the book: Interactions with a Violent Past: Reading Post-Conflict Landscapes in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. Edited by Vatthana Pholsena & Oliver Tappe. Singapore: NUS Press, 2013.

    Apr 01, 202218:18
    EP 001: A Moment in Herstory with Linda Gehman Peachey

    EP 001: A Moment in Herstory with Linda Gehman Peachey

    In this episode, retrace the steps of Linda Gehman Peachey, Former Co-Director Peace and Justice Ministries of the Mennonite Central Committee in Laos, as she shares her story.

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    Linda Gehman Peachey is a freelance writer living in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.  Previously, Linda worked for Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) on women’s concerns and also served with her husband, Titus, as co-director of Peace and Justice Ministries. From 1980-1985, they also worked in Laos with MCC, with humanitarian assistance focused on post-war recovery. She and Titus have two adult daughters and enjoy visiting them in Chicago and Guatemala.

    Mar 08, 202217:52