Eggshells
By Lizzie Bourne
EggshellsJul 05, 2022
Listening as Co-Conspirator - with Ashley Duncan
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Ashley is currently a trainee therapist living in London, and mother of two beautiful children!
https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/ashley-duncan
REFERENCES:
Article that Ashley refers to about listening coaching from Zenger & Folkman: https://hbr.org/2016/07/what-great-listeners-actually-do
We're taking a break for the summer! We'll be back later this year. In the meantime keep up with all things Eggshells, including signing up for our newsletter, by visiting https://linktr.ee/theeggshellspodcast
Find Moments of Justice - with David Cornish
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In these full interviews with our guests, expect excellent insights amid rambling chat, as together we explore how to disagree better. We're sharing our guest's words in context so that you can delve deeper into a conversation of your choice with an Eggshells' guest you love.
David Cornish is a freelance journalist, writer and pastoral support worker. Whilst recording his input with the Eggshells podcast, he worked as a chaplain to the staff of Kingston Hospital, supporting the wellbeing of NHS staff during the pandemic. In our chat he was full of wisdom and humility, and we hope you enjoy listening.
https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/david-cornish
REFERENCES:
◦ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1984/tutu/lecture/
◦ https://www.apartheidmuseum.org/exhibitions/the-truth-and-reconciliation-commission-trc
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Who We Are - with Nushy Rose
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In these full interviews with our guests, expect excellent insights amid rambling chat, as together we explore how to disagree better. We're sharing our guest's words in context so that you can delve deeper into a conversation of your choice with an Eggshells' guest you love.
Nushy Rose is currently Senior Digital Content Manager at Save the Children, and was previously Managing Editor of opinions platform Parlia, where she investigated why we think what we think using experimental multiplatform content. She was on NBCUniversal's prestigious Future Leaders Programme, and spent 2 years at Sky writing and producing viral conspiracy theory videos.
https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/nushy-rose
Nushy has featured heavily in recent Eggshells episodes (Identity x3, Power & Privilege and Social Media) so it's likely you have already heard a lot of the content of our conversation. Good to hear the tales in context though (along with our witty banter)!
This episode was recorded remotely on 4th May 2021. There’s quite a lot in this conversation that dates it (although “most people are mad at this conservative government” has sure stood the test of time)!
REFERENCES:
- Parlia - the platform that Nushy worked for at the time of this interview. You can find out more here: https://www.parlia.com
- Belief Polarization: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/
- Nushy references the high proportion of both Republicans & Democrats who believe violence against the other side is justified: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/01/1-3-americans-say-violence-against-government-can-be-justified-citing-fears-political-schism-pandemic/
- Study in Kerala: https://www.academia.edu/44162359/Women_Empowerment_In_Kerala_Through_Kudumbashree_Project
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You Can't Prove Anything - with Georgia Lockwood Estrin
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In these full interviews with our guests, expect excellent insights amid rambling chat, as together we explore how to disagree better. We're sharing our guest's words in context so that you can delve deeper into a conversation of your choice with an Eggshells' guest you love.
Since recording this episode, Georgia has become a Senior Lecturer at the University of East London. She a Sir Henry Wellcome Post-doctoral Research Fellow at Birkbeck College, University of London focusing on how developmental neuroscience and public health can work together. As well as neurodevelopment, Georgia's research interests at the moment are global mental health, women’s mental health and neuro-ethics.
Up for more? Last fortnight's episode on Social Media leads on nicely from the end of this one.
https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/georgia-lockwood-estrin
- Implementation science: https://impsciuw.org/implementation-science/learn/implementation-science-overview/
- Definition of siloed: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/siloed
- Convergent Science: https://www.nsf.gov/od/oia/convergence/index.jsp
- The Elephant Story: https://www.sloww.co/blind-men-elephant/
- Georgia mentions this book: https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-gendered-brain/gina-rippon/9781784706814
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Social Media - Arguing: fun or futile?
Today we talk about disagreeing on social media. We couldn't not cover it right? It's where all the bile and emotions live. But in this episode, Hannah and Lizzie find reasons for serious optimism.
*Since the recording of this episode Twitter has been bought by Elon Musk. We touch on Twitter and whether or not it has a responsibility to monitor or better regulate “free speech”. Here are a couple of articles that provide further information: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61222470
Guest bios:
Raymi Ortuste Quiroga https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/raymi-ortuste-quiroga
Duncan Fraser - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/duncan-fraser
Nushy Rose: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/nushy-rose
Georgia Lockwood Estrin: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/georgia-lockwood-estrin
- Belief Polarization: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/
- Nushy references how a very high proportion of both Republicans & Democrats now believe that violence against the other side is justified: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/01/1-3-americans-say-violence-against-government-can-be-justified-citing-fears-political-schism-pandemic/
- Don’t Look Up movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11286314/
- The Blind Boy podcast, episode on social media: https://play.acast.com/s/blindboy/a-mental-health-plan-for-when-the-news-is-overwhelming
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Truth - Part 2 - Conspiracies and the truth online
This is our second episode discussing Truth - in it, we chat conspiracy theories and discuss how to locate The Truth (is it out there? Spoiler: maybe).
Guest bios:
Georgia Lockwood Estrin: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/georgia-lockwood-estrin
Nushy Rose: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/nushy-rose
Liz Letsoalo: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/liz-letsoalo
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This episode was recorded in Impact Brixton @impactbrixton
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Truth - Part 1 - Stats and other tricks
Hannah and Lizzie, with beautiful guest Georgia (you can't see her but trust us she is hawt), recount The Elephant Story, are (spoiler) less-than-complimentary about statistics, and become the 1047264837625th people to point out that cisgendered straight white non-disabled men are at the centre of Normal, even and especially in science.
Guest bios:
Georgia Lockwood Estrin: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/georgia-lockwood-estrin
- Elephant Story: https://www.sloww.co/blind-men-elephant/
This episode was recorded in Impact Brixton @impactbrixton
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Power and Privilege - Part Two - Find Your Power
This is the second episode on Power and Privilege - Liz Letsoalo’s interview being the first, so tune into that if you haven’t already. In this episode, Hannah and Lizzie talk about the difficulties they’ve faced dealing with their own privilege, and discuss what has helped them step up to their privilege and into their power. This is the episode for you if you want to understand how to deal effectively with your own privilege.
Guest bios:
Liz Letsoalo - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/liz-letsoalo
Nushy Rose - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/nushy-rose
Duncan Fraser - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/duncan-fraser
David Cornish - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/david-cornish
- Liz’s TedX talk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYw0tijwmg
- Kim Kardashian Variety article - https://variety.com/2022/tv/features/kardashians-hulu-kris-kim-khloe-1235198939/
- Article on class - https://lillyd87.wixsite.com/lillydriscollpoetry/post/why-i-don-t-call-myself-working-class
- Public google drive to intersectionality article on white privilege - https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Y8sC5AJA2STlzHXbjjSFwFiB6xgeTvL2
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Power and Privilege - with Liz Letsoalo
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In these full interviews with our guests, expect excellent insights amid rambling chat, as together we explore how to disagree better! We're sharing our guest's words in context so that you can delve deeper into a conversation of your choice with an Eggshells' guest you love.
Liz Letsoalo is an entrepreneur and Speaker who is on a journey to public service. With experience in strategy and operations from three multinational companies, and is the founder of beauty brand Masodi Organics. She considers herself to be primarily in the business of transforming beauty and its standards to achieve more equitable, realistic and thoughtful standards that empower and uplift beauty in all its forms. Liz has delivered a TEDx talk on the politics of power, and aims to use both her speaking and entrepreneurial initiatives to serve South Africa and the world.
https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/liz-letsoalo
REFERENCES:
- Liz’s TedX talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/liz_letsoalo_the_politics_of_power
- Eric Liu’s Six Sources of Power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Eutci7ack
- https://artsandculture.google.com/story/steve-biko-the-black-consciousness-movement-steve-biko-foundation/GQWBgt1iWh4A8A?hl=en - article on Steve Biko and “Black Consciousness”
- 1976 Soweto Student uprising: https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/june-16-soweto-youth-uprising
- https://masodiorganics.com
- Chris Buck photo series: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/these-profound-photos-masterfully-turn-racial-stereotypes-on-their-head_n_591dceece4b03b485caf8c6d
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Choosing your words - with Alba Woolard
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In these full interviews with our guests, expect excellent insights amid rambling chat, as together we explore how to disagree better! We're sharing our guest's words in context so that you can delve deeper into a conversation of your choice with an Eggshells' guest you love. In this interview, Alba talks to Lizzie about how to choose your words in a disagreement, and why it's important that you do.
Alba Woolard has been working in Healthcare Simulation since 2008. From training standardized patients in varying case presentations, to developing workshops for practicing providers, to presenting internationally on communication in a healthcare setting, Alba has a passion for improving healthcare through the use of standardized patients and simulation technology. When Alba isn’t immersed in simulation, she enjoys performing improv comedy, cooking vegan meals, and petting her neighbourhood dogs.
https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/alba-woolard
- Alba references The Umbrella Academy which is available to stream on Netflix UK
- Lizzie references Jane The Virgin also available to stream on Netflix UK
TW: Women & sexual violence. About 28 mins into the episode Lizzie references instances in TV shows of aggressive sexual behaviour towards women, in the context of commenting on the popularity of those shows on the relevant streaming platforms.
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Identity - Part 3 - Who Do You Think You Are?
This is the third of three episodes on Identity and this fortnight, we’re discussing how we define ourselves, why we long to belong, and whether we can obtain social equity (how much progress means it’s fixed?).
Reminder that Eggshells is now released fortnightly! If you miss us on the week off, why not go to the website and sign up for our newsletter? www.theeggshellspodcast.com
Please kindly note (for all episodes but this one especially): in Eggshells, we aim to include something for everyone. However, we’re here talking about identity as cisgendered, white, middle class, non-disabled females. If your identities are different from ours we hope you’ll still get something from this, but we understand we won’t have travelled far enough outside our own lens. We’re pleased to welcome guests who have other identities and we may make more episodes, with more guests, on this topic.
Guest Bios:
Nushy Rose - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/nushy-rose
Neila Romdane - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/neila-romdane
- Body positivity: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/perfect-me/201907/what-s-wrong-body-positivity
- Kerala: https://www.academia.edu/44162359/Women_Empowerment_In_Kerala_Through_Kudumbashree_Project
- Second essay in Google Drive folder - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ckuHCuJDeqAoqx0VN5MWLq287VTNPVvk?usp=sharing
- Explaining privilege to a broke white person also in Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ckuHCuJDeqAoqx0VN5MWLq287VTNPVvk?usp=sharing
- Combahee River Collective Statement: https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/combahee-river-collective-statement-1977/
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Identity - Part 2 - Woke and Cancel Culture
This is the second of three episodes on Identity and this fortnight, we’re looking at the origins of the terms Woke and Cancel Culture, as well as discussing how we, over our lives, acquire our individual identities.
Reminder that Eggshells is now released fortnightly! If you miss us on the week off, why not go to the website and sign up for our newsletter? www.theeggshellspodcast.com
Please kindly note (for all episodes but this one especially): in Eggshells, we aim to include something for everyone. However, we’re here talking about identity as cisgendered, white, middle class, non-disabled females. If your identities are different from ours we hope you’ll still get something from this, but we understand we won’t have travelled far enough outside our own lens. We’re pleased to welcome guests who have other identities and we may make more episodes, with more guests, on this topic.
Woke:
https://www.nytimes.com/1962/05/20/archives/if-youre-woke-you-dig-it-no-mickey-mouse-can-be-expected-to-follow.htm - if you can’t follow this link, the essay can also be found in our Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ckuHCuJDeqAoqx0VN5MWLq287VTNPVvk?usp=sharing
https://www.publicbooks.org/if-youre-woke-you-dig-it-william-melvin-kelley/
https://www.theweek.co.uk/101191/what-is-wokeness
Cancel culture: https://www.verywellmind.com/the-mental-health-effects-of-cancel-culture-5119201
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Identity - Part 1 - Identity Politics
Hola and welcome to the first of THREE episodes on Identity. Duh duh duhhhh. This week, we’re defining Identity Politics, asking why it exists, and discussing whether it’s important.
Reminder that Eggshells is now released fortnightly! If you miss us on the week off, why not go to the website and sign up for our newsletter? www.theeggshellspodcast.com
Please kindly note (for all episodes but this one especially): in Eggshells, we aim to include something for everyone. However, we’re here talking about identity as cisgendered, white, middle class, non-disabled females. If your identities are different from ours we hope you’ll still get something from this, but we understand we won’t have travelled far enough outside our own lens. We’re pleased to welcome guests who have other identities, and we may make more episodes, with more guests with other identities, on this topic (beyond those scheduled in the coming weeks!).
Guest Bios:
Ashley Duncan - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/ashley-duncan
Nushy Rose - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/nushy-rose
Raymi Ortuste Quiroga - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/raymi-ortuste-quiroga
- Identity politics articles that may be of interest:
- https://www.theweek.co.uk/104473/what-is-identity-politics
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/05/identity-politics-veered-ideals-kimberly-foster
- Combahee River Collective Statement: https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/combahee-river-collective-statement-1977/
- Article by Timothy J. Oliver: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/identity-politics-how-lgbt-race-religion-social-background-football-team-a8419036.html
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Articulation - say what you mean, mean what you say
Happy New Year! High hopes.
We welcome you into 2022 with this episode on Articulation. Sometimes it’s hard to find the words in a disagreement, even if normally you’re good with them. Or maybe you find a lot of words, but in the moment they tumble out in a big confusing mess, while your Very Important Point ends up lost at sea somewhere.
That's what we're talking about in today’s episode: how to find the words, and indeed why finding them matters at all. Lizzie and Hannah have different relationships to articulation, and they explore how they can help each other out. The episode features Alba Woolard, a comedy improvisor and a communicator working in healthcare settings in the USA. Alba talks us through techniques you may be familiar with (“Yes and”), as well as some concepts that might feel more new – and that left Hannah and I with the distinct impression that bad disagreements give you blisters. Listen and let us know if you agree?
PLEASE NOTE: in 2022, we will be releasing episodes fortnightly, ie every 2 weeks. Gives you time to practice disagreeing in between!
Guest bios:
Alba Woolard: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/alba-woolard
Georgia Lockwood Estrin: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/georgia-lockwood-estrin
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Duncan - The Eggshells Interviews
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Duncan is a fountain of empathy knowledge and talks to us about the science of empathy, understanding why people might behave the way they do and why sorry can be problematic. We are grateful to Duncan for his thoughtful insights and playful spirit. This is an interview to listen to if you want to explore human behaviour more deeply, if you liked the Empathy episode, and if you want to know more about how our individual histories influence the way we disagree.
Duncan is the founding director of Useful and Kind Unlimited and of the Mindful Leadership Foundation. He has worked as a therapeutic coach, facilitator and trainer. He has advanced psychotherapy training and is constantly trying to find ways to use the latest learning in the service of others. https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/duncan-fraser
REFERENCES:
- Hyper Empathy Syndrome - the condition Duncan refers to about a woman passing out: https://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/blog/2020/07/10/what-is-empathy-disorder#accept-cookies
- Details of the Italian study that Duncan refers to about Mirror Neurons: https://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror
- "Butterflies in the stomach" - according to a brief google search they are linked to the “gut brain” - New York Times Article: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/23/science/complex-and-hidden-brain-in-gut-makes-stomachaches-and-butterflies.html
- A empathy-development technique that Duncan talks about: imagine the space around you is completely safe; no-one can hurt you. Imagine meeting and greeting your conversation partner’s soul and embracing them with your “wings”. Listen to you conversation partner, and repeat back what they are saying using their own words. The aim is that they feel heard and you understand them.
- “Pro-sociality” definition - behaviours that are intended to benefit others.
- “What is there of the abuser in me?” - Duncan is possibly referring to the Orkney child abuse scandal in which 9 children were taken away from their families (we couldn't find any details on the clinical psychologist themselves). A very detailed account of the events can be found here should it be of interest - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/235702/0195.pdf
- Transactional analysis - are you the parent, the child or the adult in the discussion? https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/transactional-analysis
- When we recorded this interview Joe Biden had just been inaugurated as President of the USA and Amanda Gorman had read this (her) poem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ055ilIiN4
- Books mentioned in this interview: They Fuck You Up Your Mum and Dad - Philip Larkin https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48419/this-be-the-verse / Too Much and Never Enough - Mary L. Trump / Queenie - Candice Carty-Williams
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Bella - The Eggshells Interviews
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In these full interviews with our guests, expect excellent insights amid rambling chat, as together we explore how to disagree better! We're sharing our guest's words in context so that you can delve deeper into a conversation of your choice with an Eggshells' guest you love.
Arabella Gibbins’ special subject is breath and she gives us some fantastic exercises and insights in this interview. She explains fight, flight and freeze to us - she speaks about and advocates for breathwork in so many different forms, especially useful if you're a beginner - she talks about emotions, empathy and arguing with her family - basically, she’s incredibly generous with her time and words. This is an interview to listen to if you want to learn how to manage your emotions during disagreement, if you liked the fight/flight/freeze episodes, and also one to return to if you find Bella’s voice and general self to be as soothing as we do!
Bella is a voice coach, songwriter and, in her words, a lifelong learner. She teaches singing, she trained as an actor during which time she was introduced to a range of vocal approaches and practitioners, and so after a few years she decided to complete her MFA in Voice Studies. She then joined the Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts as a voice tutor. She runs Voice, Breath & Wellbeing workshops around the UK (https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/bella-gibbins).
REFERENCES:
- Polyvagal Theory, Stephen Porges: https://www.stephenporges.com/
- Emotional trigger definition: An emotional trigger is anything — including memories, experiences, or events — that sparks an intense emotional reaction, regardless of your current mood. Emotional triggers are frequently associated with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
- “The Body Keeps the Score” is a book by Bessel Van Der Kolk.
- Some examples of Breathwork that Bella mentions:
- Transformational - https://www.transformationalbreath.co.uk
- Holotropic - http://www.holotropic.com/holotropic-breathwork/about-holotropic-breathwork/
- Ecstatic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNh3mMwKSfw (haven’t watched this one - let me know if you do!)
- Biodynamic https://www.biodynamicbreath.com
- https://ww2.onecommune.com - Very shiny website that promotes wellness. Various different courses available on there.
- https://www.wimhofmethod.com - Conscious breathwork
- Pranayama Definition - Balancing Life Force. An example is alternate nostril breathing - Yoga With Adriene has a good youtube video breaking this down - https://youtu.be/8VwufJrUhic
- Iyengar Yoga - The moment you want to come out of the pose is when you should stay in it: https://www.ekhartyoga.com/articles/practice/what-is-iyengar-yoga
- “Discomfort is growth” - Sanjay Gupta (Armchair Expert podcast episode that Lizzie mentions: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3tAiYCCP4MfzjvCqh7jDGN)
- Professionals whose work Bella mentions:
- Eric Franklin - Movement practitioner
- Peter Levine - Clinical Psychologist https://www.somaticexperiencing.com/about-peter
- Dan Siegal - https://drdansiegel.com - “Flipping your lid” clip on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0T_2NNoC68&t=124s
There are lots of diagrams explaining the “Hand model of the brain” on Google images.
- Gabor Maté - https://drgabormate.com
- TRE - Trauma prevention work https://traumaprevention.com
- “If in Doubt Breathe Out” book by Ron Morris & Linda Hutchison
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Listening - a misplaced art?
"Say it in my good ear, dear!"
In this episode on Listening, we're not talking about non-verbal utterances ("Mmhmm!" "Ah!"). We're not talking about nodding. We're not actually really talking about body language.
Instead we're talking about attention and how to use it. We're talking about sharing the floor, and how to do so without giving away our power. And, mostly, we're talking about questions.
Guest bios:
Ashley Duncan - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/ashley-duncan
David Cornish - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/david-cornish
Duncan Fraser - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/duncan-fraser
Raymi Ortuste Quiroga https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/raymi-ortuste-quiroga
- Article that Ashley refers to about listening coaching from Zenger & Folkman: https://hbr.org/2016/07/what-great-listeners-actually-do
- Instagram account Hannah mentions is @lalalaletmeexplain - her bio describes her as: Sex & Dating Educator, Author, Qualified social worker - she is really worth a follow because she is amazing as well as being incredibly direct and not taking any crap
- Truth and reconciliation trials in South Africa: https://www.usip.org/publications/1995/12/truth-commission-south-africa
- Exercise from Duncan:
- Let one person speak
- Second person listens trying to figure out what’s going on for that person, not just from their words but the feeling
- Second person then repeats what they’ve heard back using the language of the first person
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Fight, Flight, Freeze - Remember to Breathe...
This second instalment of our discussions about fight, flight, freeze, is where we learn some good old breathing exercises! Yes folks, there really isn't a better way to get back in control of our first response than just stopping and taking a breath. Luckily, Hannah and Lizzie are here, together with voice coach and actor Bella, to make it a lot more entertaining than just "in...and out."
Guest bios:
Bella Gibbins - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/bella-gibbins
David Cornish - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/david-cornish
- A couple of examples of Pranayama breathwork - there is so much on youtube you can definitely find a video that suits you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VwufJrUhic&t=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2wR1OWhD4s
- Definition of vagus nerve - https://www.verywellhealth.com/vagus-nerve-anatomy-1746123
- “If In Doubt, Breathe Out!” - the book Bella mentions can be bought here - https://www.waterstones.com/book/if-in-doubt-breathe-out/ron-morris/linda-hutchison/9781909082168
- Iyengar Yoga practice was named after and developed by B.K.S Iyengar; he also wrote a book - https://www.waterstones.com/book/light-on-yoga/b-k-s-iyengar/9780007107001
- Wim Hof website - https://www.wimhofmethod.com
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Fight, flight, freeze (or when your nervous system thinks they're a bear)
In the second episode of Eggshells, Hannah and Lizzie dive into discussions about fight, flight and freeze. We find out:
- what the terms "fight, flight and freeze" mean in this context
- why we all adopt such behaviours in times of high stress
- what the polyvegal theory is, and why Dan Siegel's explanation is a useful way to understand and manage our own autonomic stress responses
This episode features the following beautiful guests:
Bella Gibbins - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/bella-gibbins
David Cornish - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/david-cornish
Raymi Ortuste Quiroga - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/raymi-ortuste-quiroga
Links:
- The Fight Flight Freeze response YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEHwB1PG_-Q
- An article written by Stephen Porges - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108032/ he has also written many books - https://www.stephenporges.com/books
- Dan Siegel - https://drdansiegel.com
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Empathy - and why it's excellent
"Empathy drives connection, sympathy drives disconnection."
In this episode Lizzie and Hannah ask what empathy is, how it works, and whether it's useful when you're disagreeing with people. We cover kindness, compassion, and ask if empathy in a disagreement is the same as acceptance of someone's dislikeable point of view?
This episode features the following fabulous guests:
Duncan Fraser - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/duncan-fraser
Ashley Duncan - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/ashley-duncan
Bella Gibbins - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/bella-gibbins
Liz Letsoalo - https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/team-1/liz-letsoalo
An episode on Power & Privilege is in the works - check back in 2022, but for now you can listen to Liz’s and in fact all our guests’ full interviews on our website: https://www.theeggshellspodcast.com/podcast
- Brene Brown video on empathy vs sympathy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Evwgu369Jw
- Hyper Empathy Syndrome - the condition Duncan refers to about a woman passing out:
https://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/blog/2020/07/10/what-is-empathy-disorder#accept-cookies
- Details of the Italian study that Duncan refers to about mirror neurons: https://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror
- Butterflies in the stomach that Duncan mentions - linked to the “gut brain” - New York Times Article: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/23/science/complex-and-hidden-brain-in-gut-makes-stomachaches-and-butterflies.html
- Ashley talks about person-centred therapy: https://www.bacp.co.uk/about-therapy/types-of-therapy/person-centred-counselling/
- Ashely also talks about “conditions of worth”: https://counsellingtutor.com/conditions-of-worth/
- Studies on childhood as a fundamental indicator for empathy development (as referenced by Ashley) - interesting article on how empathy develops in children here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/smart-parenting-smarter-kids/201905/how-children-develop-empathy - though there is LOADS online if you just google developing empathy in children etc.
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Welcome to Eggshells: the what, the who and the why
Hey, we’re Eggshells - the podcast exploring disagreement and how to do it better. We ask how we can make difficult conversations easier to have, by exploring solutions to the challenges we all face when having them.
This mini-ep introduces you to hosts Lizzie and Hannah, who tell you what you can expect from Eggshells and why they're making it.
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