Maze Marketing Podcast

Maze Marketing Podcast

By Rob Drummond
Run paid ads profitably, and build marketing follow-up systems that really work.
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26: Marketing Automation Done Right, feat. Chris Davis
Chris Davis is a marketing automation expert, and has worked with ActiveCampaign, LeadPages among other companies. Today Chris runs Automation Bridge, a marketing automation training company. Listen now to learn: Why it's harder than ever to select the right marketing tools The single biggest marketing automation mistake How to determine your strategy before selecting tools How to get the most from your tools When to stick with your tools, and when to change platforms What to look for in your marketing service providers How to take ownership of your marketing systems Opt-in free to Chris’ Engagement Marketing course at automationbridge.com/maze.
53:13
September 5, 2019
25: Facebook & Instagram Insights (feat. Paul Fairbrother - AdEspresso)
Paul Fairbrother is the Head of Education at AdEspresso, and an Instagram and Facebook Ads specialist.   Paul used to be a social media manager, and noticed that all the paid channels are now pay to play.  Paul used AdEspresso’s tools to create and manage ads at scale, before he before an employee. He realised looking back that he had interacted with 70+ content pieces before becoming an AdEspresso customer. Things we discuss on this call: The myth of the funnel – why one ebook or one blog post isn’t enough Why there shouldn’t be a divide between organic and paid search teams How PPC automation tools can save you hours each week How to split test in Facebook and Instagram (and how this could half your advertising costs) How to run paid ads successfully if you don’t have hours each day to learn the different platforms Why Instagram should be a part of your advertising strategy Key differences between Facebook and Instagram What sort of images work best on Instagram What works on Instagram, and what doesn’t! Why Instagram can work well for shopping The interrelationship between Google and Facebook ads Why Instagram Stories are under-used Best format for videos (not landscape!) Why use lookalike audiences with your cold Facebook ads Important audience considerations for remarketing Links: For more free resources go to https://adespresso.com, and select ‘Academy’ from the top menu.
40:47
August 8, 2019
24: Email Marketing Systems Uncovered
Most online conversations about email marketing focus on tools. Everybody wants to know: which email provider is best? In this episode, Rob and Jonathan discuss the right questions you should be asking and what features to look for when searching for an email marketing system. They discuss.. The difference between Infusionsoft and MailChimp? (hint: there's a big difference) Why there are so many different price points Why you absolutely should not send emails directly through your domain or with a service like Gmail, Yahoo, or Hotmail The problem with entry-level tools The difference between list-based and contact-record-based tools The power you can add with correctly used tags and custom fields Why you need to consider what your core system is before you even look at which email marketing system to use If you're interested in seeing how to send an email in 1984, check out this video.
34:15
July 25, 2019
23: Holistic Marketing (feat. Ben Hunt)
In this episode, Rob and Jonathan are talking to Ben Hunt, marketer, former web designer and author of several books including, "Save the pixel" and "Web design is dead". Ben shares a sneak peek at a new concept he's developing, called Holistic Marketing. If you sell based on expertise and are tired of the marketing funnel analogy, holistic marketing may be a more robust, ethical way to build your business. In their discussion of Holistic Marketing, they cover... Why web design is more marketing than creative design How you 'find your space' and 'find your place in time' How to create different ways for people to access what you're offering and why this is important Why you should be as generous as you can with your content Why you shouldn't simply choose a niche. You must be that niche. Getting paid for who you are not what you do The power of interviews for generating content Looking to the past and the future for content ideas, but inhabiting the present Link All Ben's books are available for free on his website, http://benhunt.com/books/.
49:47
July 1, 2019
22: Google Remarketing Shenanigans
You only want to show your remarketing ads to people that have been on your website. But, did you know Google will show your remarketing ads to people that have never been on your site and those that have no idea who you are! Well, it could be the reason why your remarketing ad campaigns get loads of impressions but few conversions. In this episode, Rob and Jonathan talk about why, when you're starting to run remarketing ads you should never have this setting active. They'll show you how to turn this default feature off. And, the right time to turn it back on. NB: Rob mentions 'conservative optimisation'. Google is in the process of renaming this 'targeting expansion'.
11:44
June 21, 2019
21: Email marketing myths debunked (feat. Josh Earl)
In this episode we're debunking some of the most common myths surrounding email marketing.  Rob and Jonathan talk to Josh Earl, a copywriter, email marketer and programmer. Josh tells us how he became an email marketer and shares the results of some of his recent email marketing experiments. Listen now to learn about... Inactive subscribers: Should they stay or should they go? When it's worth including a p.s. in our emails When should we nurture and when should we sell in our emails Why email service providers are not all equal Why many people set up overly complex email marketing systems Some valuable advice for anyone getting started with email marketing  Should we segment our messages for different audiences Visit Josh's website to learn more about him.
53:41
June 13, 2019
20: The Marketing Tools We Use
In this episode, we discuss nine marketing tools that we think you should pay attention to.   If you're confused about which marketing tools to use, we'll help you get started. Listen now to learn: Why you're probably asking the wrong marketing questions Nine marketing tools we prefer Why pen and paper can be your best marketing tool Google Ads Editor vs' Google Adwords. Which is better? Why you should learn some basic design skills Find a tool to easily document the ads that you set up The URL shortening tool that can track sources The essential tool that connects all other tools Why you should spend some time to get to know your CRM system The importance of using a landing page builder Why you should get friendly with Messenger bots Here's the link to our conversation about Messenger Marketing and Bot Building.
35:03
June 6, 2019
19: Paradigm Shift Ad Writing (feat. Chad Prince)
I (Rob) met Chad Prince in late 2018 at Perry Marshall’s Paradigm Shift ad writing workshop. At the workshop we spent two days working on Perry’s Swiss Army Knife ad writing method. We wanted to know: with enough creative minds in the room, could we quickly write 50 or 100 very different ads? Listen now to learn: The big hole people get stuck in when writing ads How to apply the 80/20 principle to your ad testing How to test a wide variety of ads without spending a fortune How to kill ineffective ads quickly How to accelerate the ads learning curve How the Swiss Army Knife works How to employ accelerated human creativity Why to test both positive AND negative emotions How to avoid getting emotionally attached to your ads How to convert high-performing email subject lines into Google or Facebook ads How to create banner ads on Google without a graphic designer Why you’re ‘farming’ your ads, not setting and forgetting Links Perry Marshall’s Swiss Army Knife tool training is available here. Perry’s 80/20 Sales and Marketing book (mentioned by Chad) is here. The Swiss Army Knife tool (also mentioned by Chad) is here. Chad’s email address is cp@chadprince.com.  
32:50
May 31, 2019
18: Remarketing Lists for Search Ads
In this episode Rob and Jonathan discuss Remarketing Lists for Search Ads (RLSA). Most of us are familiar with remarketing on Facebook or Google Display, but remarketing for search is generally under-used. Listen now to learn: What RLSA is, how it works, How RLSA is different to Google Display and Facebook remarketing How RLSA can let you safely bid on broad match keywords Why very detailed keyword research won't give you the same insights How to use a RLSA Discovery campaign to sharpen your keyword research Traffic minimums needed for RLSA Why remarketing clicks are no longer cheaper (and why this doesn't matter)
21:55
May 24, 2019
17: 'The Dirt' on hiring a Google Ads agency
We all need help with Google Ads from time to time. It's a big system, and nobody can specialise in all of it. The problem is, getting help from a consultant or agency is fraught with risk. It's a Wild West industry, that seems to be getting more wild as time passes. So the question is: how should you protect yourself as a business owner? What do you need to know before hiring help? This conversation provides an insight into how an agency really works, and how to approach one in a way that negates your risk. 
27:00
May 17, 2019
16: Levels of Buyer Awareness
Building a remarketing maze isn't right for everyone. So what is the use case? And should you begin on Google, Facebook... or somewhere else? The answer comes down to your buyer's level of awareness. In other words, how much do they know about the problem they have, and about your solution? On this episode we talk about how to audit your audience by awareness, in order to make sensible investments in your marketing systems. The book mentioned at the start is Breakthrough Advertising, by Eugene Schwartz (highly recommended if you can find it). Ben Hunt's ladder of awareness (based on Schwartz's work) is detailed here.
25:46
May 2, 2019
15: Automated Webinars (feat. Damian Qualter)
Webinars are a viable sales strategy in any marketing maze, and automated webinars are often positioned as the ultimate 'quick fix'. Supposedly all you need to do is record a webinar, automate it, and watch the money roll in...  What would possibly go wrong? Quite a lot, actually. On this episode, webinar expert Damian Qualter explains: Why run a webinar instead of sending people to a video How to run automated webinars ethically Why you should always run a live webinar first How long your webinar should be - and where to place your pitch How to decide on your webinar topic What to offer on your webinar, and at what price Webinar metrics to look at Whether to run webinars for warm or cold audiences How to deal with no-shows Why email alone isn't enough as a webinar follow-up strategy Damian's webinar resource guide (mentioned at the end) is available at http://utm.io/ueTC. Damian's website is www.damianqualter.com.
43:03
April 25, 2019
14: How to better understand your customers (feat. Luke Szyrmer)
All the profits in your business come from one single source: your customers. No matter how much you know about marketing, you HAVE to understand your customers and what makes them tick. Luke Szyrmer learned all this the hard way. After seeing multiple of his own start-up enterprises fail, he decided to collaborate with his market instead. The end result was a tool called the Hero Canvas. By following Luke's advice, you'll learn what REALLY matters to your customers. You'll know what content they want the most... because they'll have told you. You'll create a visual map of the content you need to develop for your marketing maze. We KNOW we need to be speaking to customers regularly, but the real question is HOW? Listen now to learn more.
40:32
April 19, 2019
13: Facebook Conversion Tracking Explained
In this episode Rob and Jonathan discuss common Facebook conversion tracking misunderstandings, mistakes and omissions. If you're spending decent money on Facebook ads, this is a topic you need to get to grips with. Listen now to learn: The essentials of Facebook conversion tracking The relationship between the global site pixel, custom conversions, and custom events What goes in under the hood Why tracking can fail Why the number of 'leads' Facebook is reporting might not reflect your true number of leads The difference between events and conversions Why these problems are nothing new! 
26:27
April 12, 2019
12: The 80/20 Principle of Ad Testing
The ‘80/20’ or Pareto principle is an established mathematical fact. Everything in the world that can be impacted by positive or negative feedback loops is impacted by this… including your ads. A small number of your ads will drive the most profit… While a small number of ads will cost you large amounts of money. Most of the time this effect is hidden. In this episode we explain how this works, why it is so important, and how to leverage the 80/20 effect in your paid ads strategy. Listen now to learn: What craters on the moon have to do with the success (and failure) of your ads What Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Waffen Buffet also have to do with the success of your ads Why ‘80’ and ‘20’ is misleading Why you need to be testing more ads… and expecting most of them to fail For more on the 80/20 curve we recommend Perry Marshall's book 80/20 Sales and Marketing.
24:28
April 5, 2019
11: Messenger Marketing and Bot Building Explained
Messenger marketing - the act of communicating with prospects and customers through Facebook's messaging platform - is a big deal right now. Most of us have at least one messaging platform installed on our phone, and on the face of it open and click through rates are extremely high. On this episode we examine messenger marketing in detail, and look at some of the advantages and pitfalls. Listen now to learn: Why messenger marketing is NOT a replacement for email The difference between messenger marketing and messenger bots Key things to understand about Facebook Messenger When to use a bot… and when to not Why segmentation and interaction REALLY matters Differences between Facebook ads and messenger marketing (even though it’s the same platform) The Manychat course mentioned at the end can be found at https://manychat.com/course.
21:12
March 29, 2019
10: Essential Landing Page Insights
How to construct and test appropriate landing pages for your paid search traffic, and key mistakes to avoid. Rob and Jonathan discuss: Why 'ugly' landing pages can sometimes convert best Whether to create pages in a page builder, or just use your existing website Why there isn't a single best landing page format What landing pages to use for remarketing traffic How to create synergy between ad and landing page Core principles for landing page design How to monitor and improve page load time (and why this matters) The landing page mistake that gives Rob 'red mist' rage
31:19
March 21, 2019
09: Email Storytelling
How to tell engaging stories that sell in your emails, and how to build profitable long term customer relationships. Listen now to learn: How to tell your story in a way that builds trust Where to place your story in your marketing systems The fundamental role stories play in the transfer of knowledge Why NOT telling your story is like asking your customers to repeatedly eat dry bread How my email storytelling process came about How to negotiate our fears when telling personal stories How many emails you need to tell your 'core story' Why you’re probably being too hard on your storytelling efforts Why most business stories really suck Key ingredients of a successful story The single most powerful story you can tell Rob's email storytelling book is called Simple Story Selling, as is available on Amazon.
39:59
March 15, 2019
08: Email Deliverability Myths Debunked
This episode is all about deliverability: specific tips for getting your emails delivered to your recipient's inbox (and preferably avoiding their spam folder or promotions tab). Email is still an important part of any marketing follow-up system, and your emails can only do you any good if they are successfully delivered. A lot of mis-information circles the internet about deliverability, and we discuss some of the big myths on this episode. Listen in now to learn: Why comparing tools is mostly a waste of time Specific things that affect your sender reputation Common deliverability mistakes How to fix an existing deliverability problem Good list hygiene practices The re-engagement email template mentioned towards the end of the podcast can be found at www.mazemastery.com, in the free Essentials membership (from mid March 2019).
26:38
March 8, 2019
07: LinkedIn and Twitter ads
Have you tested LinkedIn and Twitter ads? Did you know you can create retargeting audiences on these platforms? LinkedIn and Twitter may not be a core part of your marketing strategy, but most of us make assumptions about these platforms. In this episode we talk about some of the ad formats available, and the retargeting options. We also discuss: The merits of using lead form ads on LinkedIn, and how this is different (and potentially better) than using lead ads on Facebook Key things to understand about the two platforms Minimum audience sizes for retargeting Where to start Why LinkedIn's messaging ads can be highly effective
23:07
March 1, 2019
06: What is the maze?
Rob and Jonathan answer the question: what exactly is the maze? How is it different from conventional funnel-based marketing? This episode covers: - Why marketing is less linear than ever before, with many more touch points - Why impression-assisted conversions matter more than most people realise - Why it is valuable to add depth to your marketing, rather than optimised simplicity
30:21
February 1, 2019
05: Facebook Ad Policy Violations
In this episode I complain bitterly to Jonathan about the fact that Facebook have inexplicably disabled my ads account. Without explanation or recourse. The Facebook machine has effectively just said "no". Ad policy violations have become a regular part of life for advertisers on Google and Facebook, so in this episode we discuss why this can happen, and what you can do about it.
19:45
January 25, 2019
04: The Funnel Analogy
Jonathan and Rob discuss the pervasiveness - and limitations - of the marketing funnel analogy. Including: - When the funnel analogy helps, and when it doesn't - Why the funnel is becoming less and less relevant
32:09
January 11, 2019
03: Content for remarketing ads
Rob and Jonathan talk about appropriate content for remarketing ads, including: - Whether to lead with a story - What type of stories to use - How to differentiate between hot and cold traffic - Why your content is probably good enough... but your stories might not be!
26:42
January 11, 2019
02: Conversion tracking
The REAL ins and outs of conversion tracking, for Google Ads, Facebook ads, and other platforms.  - What conversion tracking really means - Why all conversion numbers are relative not absolute - Why attribution is changing (and what that even means) - Whether to use Google tag manager - How to get help
53:03
January 11, 2019
01: The retargeting journey
Rob and Jonathan discuss retargeting, and dig into Jonathan's in-depth retargeting experience.
1:08:49
January 10, 2019
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