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In the ArenaOct 13, 2021

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Conversations With Secretary Esper: President of Colombia Iván Duque Márquez

Conversations With Secretary Esper: President of Colombia Iván Duque Márquez

In recent months, the Biden Administration has sustained and deepened the U.S. relationship with its most important ally in the Hemisphere, the Republic of Colombia. Just last month, Secretary Blinken chose Colombia as his first trip to South America as Secretary of State. To further the conversation on this issue, the McCain Institute seeks to convene experts to discuss related to the United States’ hemispheric security partnerships and how they address some of the most pressing challenges of our time – a rising China, increasing international authoritarianism, the global plague of disinformation, etc.

This event is the fourth of a new public conversation series between Dr. Mark T. Esper, the John McCain Distinguished Fellow and former U.S. Secretary of Defense, and experts on various issues related to challenges and threats to U.S. national security.
Dec 06, 202150:58
McCain Global Leaders: Jean Sung

McCain Global Leaders: Jean Sung

Head of The Philanthropy Centre, Asia for J.P. Morgan Private Bank and McCain Global Leader Program Advisory Council Member Jean Sung joins McCain Global Leader Program Manager Scott Nemeth for a discussion about fostering future leaders around the world.
Nov 30, 202115:07
Authors & Insights: Martin Indyk & Elise Labott

Authors & Insights: Martin Indyk & Elise Labott

This Authors & Insights event features Council on Foreign Relations Distinguished Fellow Martin Indyk and Foreign Policy columnist Elise Labott. They discuss Indyk’s new book “Master of the Game: Henry Kissinger and the Art of Middle East Diplomacy,” a look at how America’s foremost statesman reshaped America’s foreign policy for generations to come.
Nov 29, 202159:08
McCain Global Leaders: Michelle Bekkering

McCain Global Leaders: Michelle Bekkering

National Engagement Director for the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition and a member of the McCain Global Leader Program Advisory Council Michelle Bekkering joins McCain Global Leader Program Manager Scott Nemeth for a discussion about the launch of the new McCain Institute program, and her own personal leadership journey.
Oct 27, 202122:02
McCain Global Leaders: Zaw Tu Hkawng

McCain Global Leaders: Zaw Tu Hkawng

McCain Institute Next Generation Leader and member of the McCain Global Leader Program Alumni Advisory Council Zaw Tu Hkawng joins McCain Global Leader Program Manager Scott Nemeth for a discussion about the launch of the new McCain Institute program, and his experience fighting for democracy in his home country of Myanmar.
Oct 27, 202119:28
Conversations with Secretary Esper: Linda Reynolds

Conversations with Secretary Esper: Linda Reynolds

Former Australian Minister of Defense and current Minister of Government Services and the National Disability Insurance Scheme Linda Reynolds joined former U.S. Secretary of Defense and current John S. McCain Distinguished Fellow Mark Esper for the third installment of Conversations with Secretary Esper. Their discussion centered around the America and Australia’s efforts in the Indo-Pacific and the future of the region. The topics included the recent AUKUS Agreement, President Biden and Prime Minister Morrison’s first meeting, and the legacy of Senator McCain and his family both in Australia and the wider region.
Oct 18, 202150:58
McCain Global Leaders: Victoria Welborn

McCain Global Leaders: Victoria Welborn

Senior Program Manager at the National Democratic Institute and a member of the McCain Global Leader Program Advisory Council Victoria Welborn joins McCain Global Leader Program Manager Scott Nemeth for a discussion about the launch of the new McCain Institute program, and why it is more important than ever to develop and train the next generation of character-driven leaders.
Oct 13, 202120:06
Authors & Insights: Jean Becker

Authors & Insights: Jean Becker

Join the McCain Institute for International Leadership for its next installment of its book talk virtual series. This event features President George H.W. Bush’s Chief of Staff Jean Becker and White House Correspondent for Gray Television and McCain Institute Media Fellow Jon Decker. . They discuss Becker’s newest book, “The Man I Knew: The Amazing Story George H.W. Bush’s Post-Presidency,” a vibrant behind-the-scenes look into the ups and downs of heading up the office of a former president by one of the people who knew him best.
Sep 22, 202101:00:54
Authors & Insights: Seamus Hughes

Authors & Insights: Seamus Hughes

Deputy Director of the Program on Extremism at George Washington University Seamus Hughes joined McCain Institute Senior Director of the Preventing Targeted Violence Program Brette Steele for a conversation about his book “Homegrown: ISIS in America.” This was a unique discussion between two experts in violent extremism and targeted violence. The talk hit many topics including the overall problem of homegrown violent extremism, the problems facing prosecutors and law enforcement officials in going after all types of support of terrorist organizations, the differences between levels of support for terrorist organizations, the state and future of deradicalization programs, and the similarities between recruiting tactics of foreign terrorist organizations like ISIS and of hate groups based here in the United States.
Jul 29, 202101:01:30
Conversations with Secretary Esper: Former UK Prime Minister Theresa May

Conversations with Secretary Esper: Former UK Prime Minister Theresa May

Following President Biden’s first overseas trip to Europe in early June, many are hoping that it represents the United States’ returning to a more traditional approach to its transatlantic alliances where Britain plays a key role. To continue the critical work of Senator McCain on this issue, the McCain Institute seeks to convene experts for a series of conversations related to the future of NATO and how it positions itself to tackle some of the most pressing challenges of our time – a rising China, increasing international authoritarianism, the global plague of disinformation, etc.

This event is the second of a public conversation series between Dr. Mark T. Esper, the John McCain distinguished fellow and former U.S. secretary of defense, and experts on various issues related to challenges and threats to U.S. national security.
Jul 27, 202144:49
Authors & Insights: Tara Kangarlou

Authors & Insights: Tara Kangarlou

Author, journalist and humanitarian Tara Kangarlou joined Gray Television White House Correspondent and McCain Institute media fellow Jon Decker for a discussion of her book “The Heartbeat of Iran: Real Voices of a Country and Its People” in the in the latest installment of the McCain Institute’s Authors & Insights Book Talk Series.
Jun 29, 202159:21
Conversations with Secretary Mark Esper: Carl Bildt on Biden's Trip to Europe

Conversations with Secretary Mark Esper: Carl Bildt on Biden's Trip to Europe

Join the McCain Institute for International Leadeship as it premieres a new series of one-on-one conversations with Former Secretary of Defense and the Army and John McCain Distinguished Fellow Mark T. Esper. In this first intstallment, Sec. Esper sits down with Former Prime Minister & Foreign Minster of Sweden and Co-Chair of the European Council on Foreign Relations Carl Bildt as they discuss President Joe Biden’s trip to Europe.
Jun 18, 202139:17
Authors & Insights: Chris Brose

Authors & Insights: Chris Brose

Anduril Industries head of strategy and former Senate Armed Services staff director Chris Brose joined McCain Institute non resident senior fellow Nick Rasmussen for a discussion of his book “Kill Chain: Defending America in the Future of High-Tech Warfare” in the in the latest installment of the McCain Institute’s Authors & Insights Book Talk Series. Watch or listen to the entire event below. You can also tune into the audio-only podcast version of the event via iTunes or Spotify.
Jun 15, 202158:48
When a Human Trafficking Hashtag Got Hijacked

When a Human Trafficking Hashtag Got Hijacked

From the 2021 Sedona Forum, Congressman Tom Malinowski (D-NJ), Chairman and CEO of the Soufan Group Ali Soufan, CEO of Polaris Catherine Chen joined McCain Institute Senior Director of Combatting Human Trafficking Kristen Abrams to talk about how conspiracy theories like Qanon have harmed anti-trafficking efforts in the United States and around the world. Ernie Allen of the McCain Institute Human Trafficking Advisory Council gives the introduction.

Introduction:
Ernie Allen - Human Trafficking Advisory Council, McCain Institute for International Leadership

Moderator:
Kristen Abrams - Senior Director of Combatting Human Trafficking, McCain Institute for International Leadership

Panelists:
Catherine Chen - CEO, Polaris
Rep. Tom Malinowski - United States Congressman, New Jersey - 07
Ali Soufan - Chairman and CEO, The Soufan Group
Jun 14, 202151:09
Stepping Up for the Global Refugee Crisis

Stepping Up for the Global Refugee Crisis

From the 2021 Sedona Forum, UN Human Rights Council Special Envoy Angelina Jolie, Chobani Founder & CEO Hamdi Ulukaya joined Senator Chris Coons (D-DE) to discuss how the public and private sectors can do more to help refugees and those in need around the world. Human rights activist and Founder of the Women Peace Network Wai Wai Nu gives the introduction.
Jun 07, 202132:55
Containing Putin

Containing Putin

From the 2021 Sedona Forum, Congressman Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ), and former Russian Deputy Minister of Energy Vladimir Milov joined CEO of Hermitage Capital Management Bill Browder to discuss all things Russia and Vladimir Putin. They talked about how the US and the West at large should deal with his authoritarian tendencies and adventurist foreign policy. Former National Security Advisor Lt. Gen. (ret.) H.R. McMaster gives the introduction.

Introduction:
Gen. H.R. McMaster, USA (Ret.) - Former U.S. National Security Advisor, United States Army

Moderator:
Bill Browder - CEO, Hermitage Capital Management

Panelists:
Rep. Adam Kinzinger - United States Congressman, Illinois - 16
Sen. Bob Menendez - United States Senator, New Jersey
Vladimir Milov - Former Deputy Minister of Energy, Russia
Jun 01, 202149:52
Authors & Insights: Cindy McCain

Authors & Insights: Cindy McCain

McCain Institute Board of Trustees Chair Cindy McCain joined McCain Institute Executive Chairman Ambassador Josette Sheeran for a discussion of her new book “Stronger: Courage, Hope, & Humor in My Life with John McCain,” in the in the latest installment of the McCain Institute’s Authors & Insights Book Talk Series.
May 26, 202147:15
The Task Before Us: Rising to the China Challenge

The Task Before Us: Rising to the China Challenge

From the 2021 Sedona Forum, Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy (D-FL), Senator Dan Sullivan (R-AK) and former Defense Secretary Mark Esper joined Washington Post Global Opinions Columnist Josh Rogin to discuss U.S. – China relations. They also talked about China’s human rights abuses, economic competition, and how the Biden Administration is approaching China and the region as a whole. Author and Head of Strategy for Anduril Industries Chris Brose gives the introduction.

Introduction:
Chris Brose - Head of Strategy, Anduril Industries

Moderator:
Josh Rogin - Columnist, Global Opinions, Washington Post

Panelists:
Sec. Mark Esper - 27th U.S. Secretary of Defense, 23rd U.S. Secretary of the Army
Rep. Stephanie Murphy - United States Congresswoman, Florida - 07
Sen. Dan Sullivan - United States Senator, Alaska
May 24, 202101:03:46
Authors & Insights: Josh Rogin

Authors & Insights: Josh Rogin

Washington Post Foreign Policy Columnist and CNN Political Analyst Josh Rogin joined Ambassador Mark Green to discuss his new book, “Chaos Under Heaven: America, China and the Battle for the 21st Century,” in the latest installment of the McCain Institute’s Authors & Insights Book Talk Series. As one of America’s preeminent foreign policy journalists, Rogin has covered the U.S.-China relationship from both sides of the Pacific and uses that experience to take a deep look at the past and future of this critical great power relationship. Watch or listen to the entire event below. You can also tune into the audio-only podcast version of the event via iTunes or Spotify.
Mar 19, 202101:02:56
Leadership and Strategy in the Indo-Pacific with Hon. Julie Bishop

Leadership and Strategy in the Indo-Pacific with Hon. Julie Bishop

At the 2021 State of the World Conference, hosted by the McCain Institute and Florida International University, 2021 McCain Institute Kissinger Fellow and former Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop joined Gray TV’s Jon Decker and McCain Institute Executive Director Ambassador Mark Green for a discussion on how to advance the interests of America and our partners and allies in the Indo-Pacific region. As the newly announced 2021 McCain Institute Kissinger Fellow, Bishop also discussed how she plans to craft a framework for greater American and Australian engagement in the region.

McCain Institute Board of Trustees Chair Cindy McCain and iconic American statesman Dr. Henry Kissinger also joined the conversation for the panel’s introduction.
Mar 09, 202146:09
American Global Leadership with Rep. Karen Bass

American Global Leadership with Rep. Karen Bass

At the 2021 State of the World Conference, hosted by the McCain Institute and Florida International University, Congresswoman Karen Bass (D-CA) joined Institute Senior Director for Democracy and Human Rights Paul Fagan for a discussion about America’s role as a global leader amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. Rep. Bass gives engaging insight on how she works with members of both parties to advance America’s interests as a member of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Chair of the Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, and Human Rights.
Mar 01, 202126:46
Authors & Insights: Peter Baker and Susan Glasser

Authors & Insights: Peter Baker and Susan Glasser

Authors Peter Baker and Susan Glasser joined Ambassador Mark Green to discuss their newest book “The Man Who Ran Washington: The Life and Times of James A. Baker III,” at the 2021 State of the World Conference (hosted by the McCain Institute and Florida International University) for a special edition of the McCain Institute Authors & Insights Book Talk Series. The book is a look at former Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury and White House Chief of Staff James Baker (no relation to Peter) and how he transformed Washington, D.C.
Feb 12, 202145:42
Authors & Insights: Reinforcing the Importance of Modern Democracy

Authors & Insights: Reinforcing the Importance of Modern Democracy

With the rise of authoritarianism in many parts of the world, the need for a renewed commitment to free and open democracy has never been clearer. In “Twilight of Democracy: The Seductive Lure of Authoritarianism,” Anne Applebaum dissects the shift of declining liberal democracies and rising authoritarianism and argues that before reestablishing the commitment to democratic values globally, we need to reaffirm it back here in the United States.

On Wednesday, Dec. 9, Applebaum joined McCain Institute Executive Director Ambassador Mark Green to discuss her newest book and the importance of maintaining the modern democracy in the face of nationalism and autocracy. This was the fifth installment of the virtual series, which examines America’s challenges and authors’ insights on how to meet them.
Dec 14, 202001:01:04
Straight Talk Live Part 2 | 2020 Elections: Results + Observations

Straight Talk Live Part 2 | 2020 Elections: Results + Observations

After a robust display of American Democracy, we convened a panel of experts for Straight Talk Live Part 2, including Institute Board of Trustees Member and former Sen. McCain Presidential Campaign Manager Rick Davis, former campaign manager for President Obama David Plouffe and former FEC Chairman Trevor Potter, alongside standout journalists Maggie Haberman of the New York Times and host of Showtime's "The Circus" Alex Wagner to breakdown the results of the 2020 U.S. election.
Nov 18, 202001:10:19
Authors & Insights: A Portrait of Character Driven Leadership and Service

Authors & Insights: A Portrait of Character Driven Leadership and Service

John McCain, from POW to “straight talking senator,” was a hero to millions of people around the world. But what was he like when the camera lights were off and business had to get done? “The Luckiest Man: Life with John McCain” – a deeply personal and candid memoir of working for Sen. McCain by his longtime advisor, coauthor and friend Mark Salter – seeks to answer that question. The result is a moving portrait of one of America’s most impactful public servants and the latest installment in the McCain Institute’s successful Authors & Insights virtual book talk series. On October 20, Salter discussed his latest work with McCain Institute Trustee and former U.S. Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, another longtime McCain friend.
Oct 23, 202001:01:21
Will civil campaigns and idealistic politics survive?

Will civil campaigns and idealistic politics survive?

Rick Davis, John McCain’s campaign manager and Institute board member, caught up with former U.S. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. These two top practitioners have an exquisite conversation about the formation and conduct of campaigns past, the importance of character, and the intersection of policy, personalities, service, politics and possibilities.
Oct 19, 202058:57
Authors & Insights: The Roles of Freedom and Democracy in American Foreign Policy

Authors & Insights: The Roles of Freedom and Democracy in American Foreign Policy

When making critical national security decisions, what role should principles of democracy, freedom and human rights play in the decision-making process? As the 26th National Security Advisor to the President, H.R. McMaster constantly considered this question and more as he helped shape American foreign policy from inside the West Wing.

On October 7, Gen. McMaster joined Arizona State University President and McCain Institute Trustee Dr. Michael Crow to discuss his newest book, Battlegrounds: The Fight to Defend the Free World. This was the third installment of the virtual series, which examines America’s challenges and authors’ insights on how to meet them.
Oct 09, 202001:01:59
Authors & Insights: Foreign Policy Crossroads: Where We Are & How We Got Here

Authors & Insights: Foreign Policy Crossroads: Where We Are & How We Got Here

As a professor, author, international democracy organization chair, U.N. ambassador – not to mention America’s 64th secretary of state and highest-ranking woman in the history of the U.S. government at that time – Madeleine Albright has played a role in nearly every major foreign policy debate of our time. Along the way, she’s learned lessons, gained insights and managed to keep her sense of humor. On September 16, Albright discussed her latest book, “Hell and Other Destinations: A 21st Century Memoir,” with McCain Institute Executive Director Mark Green. The discussion was the second installment of the Institute’s Authors & Insights Book Talk Series, which examines America’s challenges and authors’ insights on how to meet them.
Oct 01, 202058:41
Will We Answer the Call to Defend Democracy?

Will We Answer the Call to Defend Democracy?

Carl Gershman, founding leader of the National Endowment for Democracy, brings you right up to date on the current state of democracy in the U.S., and around the world, to include some bright spots. Guest hosted by Paul Fagan, McCain Institute program director for Human Rights & Democracy.
Sep 30, 202035:42
A Diagnosis of America’s Foreign Policy

A Diagnosis of America’s Foreign Policy

In the first edition of the McCain Institute’s Authors & Insights event series, former World Bank President Robert Zoellick joined Ambassador Mark Green to discuss his newest book, “America in the World: A History of U.S. Diplomacy and Foreign Policy.” Having served as deputy secretary of state and U.S. trade representative throughout his career, Zoellick has had unique and consistent insight into American decision-making in the foreign policy arena and can speak to what the country’s future aspirations should be. Watch the entire event below or tune into the audio-only podcast version of the event via iTunes or Soundcloud. Episode Highlights Why He Wrote the Book “I decided it would have been an overwhelming task to write a full comprehensive history, and it probably would have been less readable; I partly designed this for people who enjoy biographies as John McCain enjoyed biographies because I think people are the way you bring these stories to life, but as you know, Mark, for each person, it tried to associate with an episode or a brief era of issues, as well as an idea. So I try to associate Hamilton with economic statecraft; for Jefferson, it’s the future because of his view; for John Quincy Adams, it’s sort of American realism. So I try to come up with a menu if you would like of ideas that I think people thinking about foreign policy today could look at and say, ‘Oh yes, how does that one show up here.’” Roosevelt’s Behind the Scenes Foreign Policy “If you think about Teddy Roosevelt, we often associate him as the lieutenant colonel who went up San Juan Hill and the great white fleet. Indeed, if you go to the Roosevelt Room today, you’ll see this picture of Colonel Roosevelt on a steering horse – this is in the west wing of the white house – but below it is the Nobel Peace Prize. And he won that Nobel Peace Prize in 1905-1906 for mediating the Russo-Japanese war. And that’s interesting because one often thinks of him in terms of his bully impression; he used that discipline as a mediator extraordinarily effectively and this was at a time the U.S. didn’t really have a diplomatic service, so part of what Roosevelt does is he enlists the support of the German and the French ambassadors to the United States, a groomsman who was a British diplomat serving in St. Petersburg. They want to work with him because they can see he’s a guy who gets things done.” The Importance of Geographical Allies “I believe that a strong continental base – 500 million people, three democracies working together that will also help the United States engage with problems around the world – puts 1.3 billion people in China in a different perspective.” Impact of Senator McCain on U.S. Foreign Policy “Throughout American history, there are key members of Congress – often in the Senate, but sometimes, as you know, in the House – who sort of step up and play a role in this. And of course, I was thinking about Senator McCain in this. When I worked with Senator McCain in the 90s – this was in the Clinton Administration – he played a key role in the opening to Vietnam; he played a key role in building Republican support for the military and peace efforts in the Balkans; he clearly mentored a generation or more of members of Congress at the Munich Security Conference, Singapore and others.” For more candid conversations on the “In The Arena” podcast, please subscribe on iTunes or Soundcloud.
Aug 19, 202053:58
Part II: Partnership ventured, what’s been gained? 25 years of US-Vietnam normalized relations

Part II: Partnership ventured, what’s been gained? 25 years of US-Vietnam normalized relations

ABOUT THE EPISODE
In this two-part episode, two ambassadors weigh in on the how and “so what” of the U.S. and Vietnam putting aside their post-war differences to normalize diplomatic relations 25 years ago on July 11.
In Part One, Ted Osius, United States ambassador to Vietnam from 2014 to 2017, shares what it was like to be on the ground right from the start in 1995 to implement normalization, and what the subsequent partnership forged means for the Asia Pacific and our global future.
In Part Two, the current ambassador from Vietnam to the United States, His Excellency Ha Kim Ngoc, shares the same perspective but with unique insights from his side of the partnership.
Tune in as host Luke Knittig guides a discussion you won’t hear anywhere else on the formation and impact of renewed U.S. – Vietnam relations.

EPISODE PART TWO HIGHLIGHTS
ON THE IMPACT OF NORMALIZATION FOR VIETNAM
“Our normalization with the United States really marked the end of the political isolation and embargo against Vietnam and the start of Vietnam’s integration into the world… And with the support and cooperation of the United States, Vietnam has been emerging as a key and proactive player in the Asia Pacific region and the world.”
ON HIS WORK TO IMPLEMENT NORMALIZATION
“I started my career in foreign service in 1988 as a researcher, and I read a lot about the history of our two nations and strongly believed that we could be friends, good friends…. For several years together with my colleagues, I participated in MIA joint field activity to account for American soldiers missing during the war…”
ON SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN
“Without Senator McCain’s support and efforts, the normalization would have been further delayed or even the two sides might have missed the opportunity… Sometimes I helped interpret for both sides, so I got to know Senator McCain very well. I really admire him for his vision, strong leadership and tireless efforts to move our two nations beyond the bitter history and enter a new era of friendship and partnership…”
ON VISITING ARIZONA AND CINDY MCCAIN
“In 2020, I planned to visit Arizona and meet with Mrs. Cindy McCain as the top priority for the celebration of the 25th anniversary of our diplomatic relations…I asked my wife and first son, who is also a diplomat working on U.S.–Vietnam relations, to join me so that we could have a family meeting…the trip was so emotional for me and my family… we met with some Vietnam War veterans in Phoenix…”
ON VIETNAM’S LEADERSHIP ROLE
“Vietnam is chairing ASEAN [Association of Southeast Asian Nations] this year and we have been working closely with ASEAN members and partners, including the United States, to maintain peace, stability, security and rule-based order in the Indo-Asia-Pacific…We have been working very closely with the United States on the U.N. Security Council…”
ON THE FUTURE OF US-VIETNAM RELATIONS
“I’m very optimistic about the future of our cooperation in the next 25 years… COVID-19, you know, has even brought our two countries closer together, by helping each other for the common fight against the pandemic and now economic recovery… the continuation of strengthening our trade and investment will be the top priority…”
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Jul 13, 202016:13
Partnership ventured, what’s been gained? 25 years of US-Vietnam normalized relations

Partnership ventured, what’s been gained? 25 years of US-Vietnam normalized relations

ABOUT THE EPISODE
In this two-part episode, two ambassadors weigh in on the how and “so what” of the U.S. and Vietnam putting aside their post-war differences to normalize diplomatic relations 25 years ago on July 11.
In Part One, Ted Osius, United States ambassador to Vietnam from 2014 to 2017, shares what it was like to be on the ground right from the start in 1995 to implement normalization and what the subsequent partnership forged means for the Asia Pacific and our global future.
In Part Two, the current ambassador from Vietnam to the United States, His Excellency Ha Kim Ngoc, shares the same perspective, but with unique insights from his side of the partnership.
Tune in as host Luke Knittig guides a discussion you won’t hear anywhere else on the formation and impact of renewed U.S. – Vietnam relations.

EPISODE PART ONE HIGHLIGHTS
ON THE IMPACT OF US-VIETNAM RELATIONS
“It’s huge… There have been two US aircraft carrier visits to Vietnam in recent years… The volume of trade went from less than $500 million when I first was there to almost $60 billion… We’ve been collaborating with the Vietnamese on human health, on the environment, on peacekeeping… We collaborate on everything from North Korea to the South China Sea, our partnership is real… Nothing is impossible, because I think it’s amazing to think of where we’ve come in such a short time, from being such bitter enemies to being such strong partners.”
ON BICYCLE DIPLOMACY
“During that first tour when we were really setting everything up, I had the chance to ride a bicycle from Hanoi to Saigon… bumpy is a very good word for it… You could see the energy and desire to rebuild, to put the nation back together…”
ON SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN’S ROLE IN NORMALIZATION
“He was very courageous. If you think about this, the politics of the time, you had President Clinton who had not served, running against Bob Dole who was a war hero and opposed to normalization…”
ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN VIETNAM
“I wanted every single officer in my embassy to be a human rights officer… I can’t say it’s all done, there are still big differences between how we view human rights and how the Vietnamese do, but the way we were able to make progress was by showing respect…”
ON THE FUTURE OF US-VIETNAM RELATIONS
“We’ve built trust by doing things together that matter… They are going to recover quickly from COVID… Our economic relationship with Vietnam will continue to flourish, and I see no reason why the security relationship won’t flourish as well…”
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Jul 09, 202021:04
Is Torture Ever Justified?

Is Torture Ever Justified?

ABOUT THE EPISODE
Senator John McCain suffered much of what the UN Convention Against Torture (CAT) and Other Cruel or Degrading Treatment or Punishment – adopted June 26, 1987 – bans as a prisoner of war and victim of torture. Ten years later, this date was established as the annual International Day in Support of Victims of Torture. Senator McCain was an ardent supporter to victims of torture and one of the world’s loudest voices against its use, rarely missing the opportunity to denounce it. This is the legacy the McCain Institute continues.
Lt. Gen. (ret) Benjamin Freakley commanded U.S. troops in combat many times throughout a long military career, including the 10th Mountain Division in Afghanistan from 2006-7. He currently heads up major leadership programs and initiatives at the McCain Institute and its parent organization, Arizona State University.
Ambassador Clint Williamson has served in several high-level positions key to enforcing international law, including as U.S. ambassador-at-large for war crime issues from 2006-9. He currently is the McCain Institute’s senior director for International Rule of Law and Security and a professor of practice at ASU’s Sandra Day O’Connor Law School.
They join host Luke Knittig for a provocative discussion on whether the use of torture is ever justified and on what can be and is being done for victims, explaining Senator McCain’s outsized influence and continued impact along the way.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS
ON VALUES
“Torture is morally and ethically wrong . . . there is no justification ever for torture, for the mistreatment of a fellow human being. It is, in fact, completely inconsistent with our national values.” General Freakley
ON ENEMIES
“For our enemies, abuse and torture is a rallying cry. It helps them. It helps them recruit. It helps them get funding. It helps them have a function and a passion, and a motivation to fight us.” General Freakley
ON SENATOR McCAIN’S LEGACY
“In honoring [Senator McCain’s] legacy, we should just be able to agree at the outset of any conversation on the use of torture that it runs counter to U.S. interests. First and foremost, it’s inconsistent with American values. Secondly, it contravenes our adherence to domestic and international law. And thirdly, it’s ineffective in producing reliable and/or actionable information for intelligence or law enforcement purposes.” Ambassador Williamson
ON TALKING ABOUT AND DEFINING TORTURE
“It’s very, very important for our leaders to talk about [torture] in the clearest terms possible. Anytime you start trying to be vague about this or play semantic word games, and in any way try to excuse this behavior you’re opening the door, you’re giving a green light to others to do the things we would never want to see done to our own troops. It is important for [our leaders] to be unequivocal in their condemnation of torture.” Ambassador Williamson
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Jun 25, 202028:59
A new proposal to stand with Hong Kong’s democracy activists: A conversation with Rep. Mike Gallagher

A new proposal to stand with Hong Kong’s democracy activists: A conversation with Rep. Mike Gallagher

About the episode Mike Gallagher is a 2nd term U.S. Congressman representing the Green Bay area of Wisconsin.  He’s a former Marine Officer and decorated Iraq War veteran who has become a leading voice in foreign policy, on China in particular.  He’s a Princeton graduate with a doctorate in international relations from Georgetown. He joins host Luke Knittig for a discussion on his proposed legislation to provide Hong Kongers special refugee statue, how he views  US-China relations as a cold war, the state of American democracy and much more. Episode highlights ON EMERGENCY LEGISLATION FOR HONG KONG “With a potential Tiananmen Square-like purge looming in Hong Kong I think the free world needs to step up and save as many Hong Kongers as possible.” ON COUNTERING THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY (CCP) “At the end of the day I think the only way we win this long-term competition with the CCP is if we’re working hand-in-hand with our allies around the world.” ON McCAIN & REAGAN LEGACY OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN FOREIGN POLICY “The idea that we need to put human rights at the forefront of our foreign policy and that by leveraging our values we can actually have an outsized effect on the world… that is something I learned from Senator John McCain.” ON THE CHINA TASK FORCE IN CONGRESS  “This doesn’t have to be a partisan thing.  Figuring out how we smartly push back against the CCP’s aggression, figuring out how we protect human rights, how we protect our economy, how we protect our allies in the Indo Pacific.” ON AMERICAN DEMOCRACY “We need to spend as much if not more time understanding and appreciating what is exceptional about America… what are the enduring sources of our strength because ultimately that’s how we’re going to win.” For more candid conversations on the “In The Arena” podcast, please subscribe on iTunes or Soundcloud.
Jun 09, 202026:46
Is Common Ground even shakier in the Age of the Coronavirus?

Is Common Ground even shakier in the Age of the Coronavirus?

A Bond special, not with James but Bruce, hear how this top tech exec turned non-profit CEO advances mitigating incivility & polarization as the solution to fighting the coronavirus and seeking common ground to heal our democracy. For more candid conversations on the “In The Arena” podcast, please subscribe on iTunes or Soundcloud.
May 19, 202023:47
This Country Is Getting Their COVID Response Right

This Country Is Getting Their COVID Response Right

Successfully Fighting COVID-19: Health Minister of Latvia and McCain Institute Next Generation Leader Ilze Vinkele shares her leadership approach to stemming the pandemic in this eastern European country with a population the size of Nebraska, but suffering far fewer cases and fatalities.
Note: This episode was recorded on April 24. Ilze is also a McCain Institute Next Generation Leader.

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Apr 30, 202017:08
In The Arena – Special Episode: The Democracy Group

In The Arena – Special Episode: The Democracy Group

In The Arena teamed up with three other leading podcasts from the Democracy Group Network for this special episode tracing the coronavirus’ effect on civic engagement, human rights and global response.
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Apr 27, 202054:34
Freedom pressed as a Global Correspondent and Bureau Chief

Freedom pressed as a Global Correspondent and Bureau Chief

Peter Copeland, heralded former Washington bureau chief and global correspondent, opens up about what it takes to produce quality journalism. [recorded prior to the Coronavirus pandemic]
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Apr 14, 202022:46
What Are The U.S. Military’s Goals and Capabilities in Africa?

What Are The U.S. Military’s Goals and Capabilities in Africa?

Colonel Chris Karns, Director of Public Affairs for U.S. Africa Command, provides a mission update and explains how more engagement (not less) is key for U.S. national security and the progress of our African partners.
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Mar 10, 202022:09
Defending Freedom in Ukraine and Eurasia: an interview with former ambassador to Ukraine, Bill Taylor

Defending Freedom in Ukraine and Eurasia: an interview with former ambassador to Ukraine, Bill Taylor

Ambassador Bill Taylor joined In The Arena to discuss his recent posting to Ukraine and his career as a top conflict resolution expert.
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Feb 24, 202019:14
Providing hope for a vulnerable population in Hungary

Providing hope for a vulnerable population in Hungary

In this episode of In The Arena, Hungary’s Aliz Pocsuvalszki discussed her Leadership Action Plan of working towards a better, more inclusive education system that guarantees access to education to all marginalized groups in her home country.
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Feb 03, 202010:56
Helping the Victims of Putin’s War in the Donbass

Helping the Victims of Putin’s War in the Donbass

In this episode of In The Arena, Urkaine’s Kateryna Smagliy discussed her Leadership Action Plan of driving policy reforms that respond to the concerns of internally displaced citizens and educational institutions in the Donbas.
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Jan 14, 202018:20
In The Arena – Episode 39: Sokayna El Allam

In The Arena – Episode 39: Sokayna El Allam

In this episode of In The Arena, Morocco’s Sokayna El Allam discussed her Leadership Action Plan of providing entrepreneurs with resources, knowledge and access to capital they need to scale their businesses.
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Jan 06, 202012:31
In The Arena – Episode 38: Ljubomir Filipović

In The Arena – Episode 38: Ljubomir Filipović

In this episode of In The Arena, Montenegro’s Ljubomir Filipović shared the inspiration behind his action plan to advance an efficient and accountable political system in his home country.
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Dec 23, 201911:50
In The Arena – Episode 36: Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff

In The Arena – Episode 36: Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff

German Marshall Fund’s Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff explains how looking differently at the lessons of 1989 can save democracy. Note: special episode recorded in the margins of the 5th International Tbilisi Conference.
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Oct 08, 201919:13
In The Arena – Episode 37: Jean-Christophe Belliard

In The Arena – Episode 37: Jean-Christophe Belliard

Senior EU diplomat Jean-Christophe Belliard dives into the state of transatlantic relations and much more in this episode recorded at the 5th Annual International Tbilisi Conference.
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Oct 08, 201922:55
In The Arena – Episode 35: Rep. Bryan Steil

In The Arena – Episode 35: Rep. Bryan Steil

Freshman Congressman Bryan Steil (R-WI) on how his first bill takes aim at the money behind human trafficking and what it’s like to represent middle America in the nation’s capital.
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Sep 17, 201918:26
In the Arena – Episode 34: Mark Salter

In the Arena – Episode 34: Mark Salter

Mark Salter, author and long-time senior aide to Senator McCain goes behind the scenes to talk about his time with the Senator, highlighting his interactions with colleagues holding opposing views. That and more in this special anniversary #ActsOfCivility episode of In the Arena.
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Aug 23, 201916:17
In The Arena – Episode 33: Bob Bennett

In The Arena – Episode 33: Bob Bennett

Leading smart city technology expert Bob Bennett shares insights about cutting-edge civic solutions shaping in Kansas City, across the country, and around the world. Spoiler alert, it’s not just about cities.
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Jul 31, 201920:47
In The Arena – Episode 32: Tamar Chugoshvili

In The Arena – Episode 32: Tamar Chugoshvili

Earlier this month, Tamar Chugoshvili, Vice Speaker of the Georgian Parliament, visited the McCain Institute and shared what it’s like to build a representative legislature from scratch. She also spoke about Senator John McCain’s legacy in the Georgian Republic and of current threats to this young democracy. Tune in for an insightful interview from this formidable and forward thinking lawmaker.
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Jul 01, 201925:36