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MOPs & MOEsMay 05, 2024

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Training The Norwegian Marine Jaegers with Paul Solberg

Training The Norwegian Marine Jaegers with Paul Solberg

We're going back overseas with this episode, this time to Norway. The Norwegian military has a reputation for high fitness standards, and therefore their special operations forces take fitness to another level. This week we'll be digging into the training and testing of the Marinejegerkommandoen, more commonly known in English as MJK or NORNAVSOC (Norwegian Navy Special Operations Command). Directly translated they are the Marine Jaegers, and they live up to that legendary name.


Our guest Paul Solberg has a Masters in sport psychology and PhD in health psychology and physiology from the Norwegian School of Sport Sciences. He is an accomplished athlete in his own right, having represented Norway as a javelin thrower and also competing nationally in handball, powerlifting and weightlifting. After his athletic career he Coached for several of the best track and field throwers in Norway.


These days he is the Head of the Strength Department at the Norwegian Olympic Training Center and Committee, but we're going to spend most of this conversation focused on his previous role.


For many years he was the human performance program director for NORNAVSOC, where he built the training program they use today. He has also published close to 40 peer reviewed articles focusing particularly on muscle adaptations, recovery, power-training, motivation and well-being, and reliability of testing.


We mentioned Magnus Midtbo's videos where he took the Coastal Rangers and Long Range Reconnaissance fitness tests, so here there are:


Coastal Rangers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Dz26FboU4


LRRP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-zAeifC2sQ

Apr 28, 202401:36:26
Recovery 101

Recovery 101

Based on feedback from you guys we are kicking of a "101" series. Don't worry, we'll continue to have the episodes with guests where we deep dive interest topics, but many listeners have asked for some episodes where we focus on the fundamentals.


We're starting with recovery because there have been so many questions about different recovery modalities. This episode will cover active recovery, sauna, cold plunge, foam rolling, stretching, compression, massage guns, and painkillers (plus a few others that we touch on more briefly). We'll go over when and how some of these might be appropriate, but we'll also address some of the misinformation that has made some of them more popular than they probably deserve to be.


We do mention a lot of research in this conversation, so in roughly the order they were mentioned here are links to those studies:


https://journals.humankinetics.com/view/journals/ijspp/15/7/article-p934.xml?content=abstract&utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=International_Journal_of_Sports_Physiology_and_Performance_TrendMD_0 (swimmers significantly worse the day after sauna)


https://www.termedia.pl/A-post-exercise-infrared-sauna-session-improves-recovery-of-neuromuscular-performance-and-muscle-soreness-after-resistance-exercise-training,78,47765,0,1.html (for power/muscular performance, recovery was actually improved by sauna, or at least not worsened)


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0965229919301943 (sauna can have an acute positive effect on HRV)


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41371-017-0008-z (sauna may have beneficial effects on blood pressure, arterial stiffness, and other cardiovascular risk factors)


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ejsc.12074 (2024 meta analysis showing CWI post-exercise reduces hypertrophy, but the authors caution that the overall quality of the evidence isn’t particularly strong.)


If you're still reading at this point, I'm impressed. Anyway, I ran out of characters to keep doing the summaries. If you want a list that includes the topics, email me at alex@mopsnmoes.com - otherwise they generally follow the order of the discussion.


https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2017/05000/effects_of_cold_water_immersion_and_contrast_water.32.aspx/1000


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01362-0?fbclid=IwAR1hXbM9l5PfFAgrDCOdEompuANV86qPosdgunFfisQfvNUVn58oS6AglC8


https://pharmacia.pensoft.net/article/54581/download/pdf/


https://journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/fulltext/2021/07000/Passive_Recovery_Strategies_after_Exercise__A.5.aspx


https://www.mdpi.com/2411-5142/8/3/138


https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2021.677581/full?fbclid=IwAR2k3FE6ZUwkrPc6clrbBBgbUkMjQuia1_Re81qUNh4u-XMA2AaAyHzJcN4%2F%3Famp%3D1


https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2020/11000/foam_rolling_prescription__a_clinical_commentary.35.aspx?context=featuredarticles


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S136085921930395X


https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00376/full?fbclid=IwAR3B80g6xRxA9kHwhrge0xKy4HsJJs7SAt8UFLj5vQqrJbBMPMyvfptCvo0


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-022-01699-8


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00421-003-0834-2


https://www.mdpi.com/2673-7248/2/3/22


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02640414.2020.1737387


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-022-01681-4


https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2008/05000/Central_and_Peripheral_Fatigue_after.00049.aspx


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02640410400021302


https://ijrep.org/wp-content/uploads/lana-downloads/2020/11/oconnor.et_.al_.fall_.2020.pdf


https://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/abstract/2021/04000/practical_postexercise_recovery_strategies_in_male.2.aspx


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1360859221000607


https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2021.665204/full

Apr 21, 202401:06:21
10th Mountain Division History with Christian Beckwith

10th Mountain Division History with Christian Beckwith

Our guest this week is the creator of Ninety-Pound Rucksack, a podcast that examines the stories that made the 10th Mountain Division famous as well as those history has forgotten. Equal parts real-time research, intimate conversation and revelatory journalism, Ninety-Pound Rucksack explores not only the conventional wisdom about the 10th, but the transformative power of the mountains to forge a collective identity among the mountain troops—and to ignite a passion for the outdoors that reshaped American society in the process.


The story of the 10th is famous for good reason. Not only did its insertion into the war help end Germany’s occupation of Italy; post-war, its veterans founded and developed ski areas across America, started companies like NOLS and Nike and launched the fields of avalanche science and wilderness rescue.


The founder and board chair of The Teton Climbers’ Coalition, Christian Beckwith has spent more than thirty years immersed in the world of alpinism. In 1996, he became the youngest person to edit the world’s premier mountaineering journal, The American Alpine Journal. From there he went on to lead numerous projects: Alpinist Magazine, Alpinist Film Festival, Teton Boulder Project Outerlocal, the Town Pump bouldering series, SHIFT (a 501c3 non-profit organization dedicated to the advancement of nature as a social determinant of health), and AlpinFilm. He has made expeditions to Kyrgyzstan, Alaska, Peru and Tibet, skied the Grand Teton half a dozen times, and established numerous first ascents and descents around the world. In 2023, he was inducted into the 10th Mountain Division’s Warrior Hall of Fame for services rendered to the Division which is what we'll be discussing in this conversation. He lives in Jackson, Wyoming, with his wife and daughter.


If the discussions in this episode interest you, go listen to Ninety Pound Rucksack wherever you get your podcasts!

Apr 14, 202401:18:49
The Father of Modern Army Combatives: Matt Larsen

The Father of Modern Army Combatives: Matt Larsen

This week we're diving into the topic of combatives, and it would be hard to find a more qualified guest to discuss the topic than the one we have today. From bare-knuckle boxing the ROK Marines' Taekwondo champion to establish the US Army Combatives School, he has done it all.


Matt Larsen is a former United States Army Ranger and combatives instructor. He is known as "The Father of Modern Combatives," credited with the creation of the United States Army's modern combatives doctrine and the establishment of the U.S. Army Combatives School.


Larsen enlisted in the United States Marine Corps as an infantryman in 1984. He was stationed overseas in Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan with the Marine detachment at Naval Air Facility Atsugi. During this time Larsen began training in judo, Shotokan karate, and traditional boxing.


During his time in Japan Larsen fought in the Japan Karate Association's All Japan Karate Championships, Muay Thai bouts in Thailand, and a bare-knuckle fight against the ROK Marines Taekwondo champion. He was also a member of the 3rd Marine Division's boxing team.


Matt then transitioned from the Marine Corps to the Army and made his way to Ranger Regiment. Initially assigned to 1st Ranger Battalion at Hunter Army Airfield, Larsen parachuted into Panama with the Rangers during Operation Just Cause and was also involved in Ranger operations during the Gulf War.


After moving to 2nd Ranger Battalion he found himself as the Non-Commissioned Officer in Charge of combatives and Close Quarters Battle (CQB) and started developing a more formal curriculum. This led him to taking over the combatives program for the entire regiment.


During an assignment to 11th Infantry Regiment he establish a combatives schoolhouse in a warehouse. Within a short time, the school became so successful that units from throughout the Army began sending their soldiers. Several new courses had to be developed in order to continue teaching beyond the initial course, with the idea of building programs within these units. Eventually the school was recognized by the Army as the "United States Army Combatives School". In 2002, the training manual which he had been working on since his time with the Ranger Training Brigade was published by the Army as Field Manual 3-25.150 (Combatives).


After more than a decade leading combatives for the Army he now works at West Point's Department of Physical Education as the director of their combatives program.


You can find Matt on Instagram at the extremely appropriate handle @combatives

Apr 07, 202401:36:08
Hots & Cots: The App That's Fixing Barracks and Dining Facilities

Hots & Cots: The App That's Fixing Barracks and Dining Facilities

This week's podcast is special because we have a chance to provide a platform for someone who is really making a difference in improving quality of life got service members. Rob Evans is the creator of Hots & Cots, an app built to be the "yelp for enlisted life" that is simultaneously increasing transparency and accountability for dining facilities and barracks.


If you're unfamiliar with the phrase "three hots and a cot" it refers to that, whether you're joining the military or going to prison, at least you can (theoretically) count on three square meals a day and a cot to sleep on. If you've been following the news, you've almost certainly seen that there are issues with both the "hots" (meals) and the "cots" (barracks) lately, and Rob is on a mission to fix both.


Rob is a former Army sergeant with 12 years of service, concluded his military career as a 92F. Leveraging over a decade of IT experience, he transitioned into the role of a software developer. Combining both his Army experience and his software skills he recently created an app called Hots & Cots that is essentially Yelp for military installations, which we'll be diving into here. Rob lives outside of Charlotte, NC, with his wife and two boys and outside of work he loves running, weightlifting, and the outdoors. Oh and coffee, he also loves coffee.


As you listen to the work Rob is doing, if you're in the military please encourage anyone you work with to download the app and help give Rob the tools to hold leaders accountable on these issues.


We discussed the notorious clip of the IMCOM commander saying he doesn't have a mold problem, he has a discipline problem. If you missed that incident, here's some of the coverage including the video clip.


Hots & Cots Website














Mar 31, 202401:06:55
CrossFit: Our Thoughts

CrossFit: Our Thoughts

People have asked us many times what we think of CrossFit, so it's about time we just laid it all out. In this episode we work our way through CrossFit's various philosophies, protocols, and teachings and highlight where we agree and where we don't. In general, the first half of the conversation is more critical while the second half is more positive.


If you want to dive in on your own, we framed this conversation around the CrossFit Level 1 Training Guide, which you can download for free. They describe it as "the most comprehensive CrossFit training resource available" and "foundational to the CrossFit methodology" so it's arguably the best primary source for understanding the CrossFit system.


We talk about all the classics in here:


- Defining "fitness" and CrossFit's "fitness in 100 words"
- What "functional fitness" means
- Kipping
- Nutrition (including Paleo and Zone)
- Olympic Lifting
- Uncle Rhabdo and Pukey the Clown


And so much more...


In one section we mentioned a series of articles on hydration. The Hyponatremia of Exercise is a 12 part series by Tim Noakes. Here's a link to part one which links to all the subsequent parts. Skip to part 4 if you want to see where the Army (and specifically USARIEM) got involved, but it comes back up throughout the series.

Mar 24, 202401:49:39
The Art of Community with Charles Vogl

The Art of Community with Charles Vogl

This week we're diving into what it takes to build strong communities, and how many organizations (including the military) go about it completely wrong. Our guest cuts right to the heart of the issue and provides both intense criticism and practical guidelines for improving. From the crucial role of breaking bread together (yes, this ties into a DFAC conversation) to the "campfire principle" this conversation is chock full of powerful ideas for bringing groups together.


Charles Vogl’s work is used to advise and develop leadership and programs worldwide within organizations including Google, Airbnb, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitch, and Amazon. He has instructed and presented at organizations including Yale, Harvard, Stanford, and the US Army.


He works with Google in several capacities, including as a trusted thought leader for the Google School for Leaders which develops 20,000 Google managers. He is also a
founding member of the Google Vitality Lab which works toward innovating healing strategies.
He is the author of three books: His first book, the international bestseller The Art of Community shares how both community and belonging can be built through time-tested principles and rituals. It won a Nautilus Book Award for Business and Leadership writing. His second book, Storytelling for Leadership, draws on his own experience as a PBS documentary filmmaker to distill principles that help those in leadership confidently share authentic stories and inspire emotional resonance. His latest book, Building Brand Communities, speaks to organization leaders connecting the people important for success. It won an Axiom Business Book Gold Medal.


In his 20s, Charles served in the U.S. Peace Corps in northern Zambia. There, he witnessed inspirational community inside his rural village. After the Peace Corps, Charles founded a social impact documentary film company in New York City. His PBS film projects won many awards including the Amnesty International prestigious “Movies That Matter” award.


He holds an M.Div. from Yale, where he studied spiritual traditions, ethics, and business.


You can find more information on Charles including his books, resources for leaders, and much more on his website.

Mar 17, 202401:10:59
Special Operations Mountain Warfare with CPT Paul Rogers

Special Operations Mountain Warfare with CPT Paul Rogers

This week we're diving into a conversation about mountain warfare, and our guest is about as qualified as they come. Captain Paul Rogers is the commander of the Special Operations Mountain Warfare Training Center (SOMWTC). He is the first Officer to graduate all USSOCOM Mountain Operator Courses and has tackled some extreme mountain objectives. The SOMWTC develops some of the most qualified mountain warfare instructors within the US Military, and is responsible for the certification of USSOCOM Mountain Leaders, operational employment of mountain warfare experts, and doctrine writing for all USSOCOM Military Mountain Operations.

In this episode we also spend some time discussing a devastating mountaineering accident that Paul recently experienced. Our human performance folks will appreciate the way that 10th Special Forces Group's interdisciplinary team brought Paul back from nearly dying to a high level performance in a matter of just a few months. We also discuss the mental health ramifications of an experience like that and how he tackled that challenge too.

Captain Paul Rogers is a native of Littleton, Colorado and commissioned as an Engineer Officer in 2013 from the United States Military Academy with a Bachelors of Science in Civil Engineering. Following the Engineer Officer Basic Course, he was assigned to 4th Brigade 25th Infantry Division at Fort Richardson, AK. While at 4-25 IBCT(A) he served as an Airborne Light Equipment Platoon Leader, Sapper Company Executive Officer, and BN Assistant Operations Officer.

CPT Rogers attended the Special Forces Assessment and Selection in 2017 and graduated from the Q Course in 2019, after which he was assigned to 10th Special Forces Group. There he served as the Detachment Commander of SFOD-A 0223 (Mountain). As Detachment Commander he deployed twice in support in support of Operation ATLANTIC RESOLVE and the Russo-Ukrainian War before transitioning into his current role.

CPT Rogers is an active member of the American Mountain Guide Association and has completed a number of certifications as an aspiring Ski and Alpine Guide. He lives in Castle Rock, CO with his wife Andrea and their three dogs.
Mar 10, 202401:27:45
Breathing in Extreme Environments with Lt Col Justin "Astro" Elliott

Breathing in Extreme Environments with Lt Col Justin "Astro" Elliott

In this week's episode we're focusing on breathing in some pretty extreme circumstances. Our guest is Lt Col Justin "Astro" Elliott (depending on when you're listening to this, possibly Colonel already). It's hard to find someone more qualified to talk about breathing for extreme physiological demands - Astro has flown 30+ different airframes, commanded the Thunderbirds demonstration squadron, and led the Air Force's efforts to address breathing problems among fighter pilots.


Astro went to Yale where he was a D1 collegiate swimmer and a Mechanical Engineering engineering major, so he embraced the high performer life early. He graduated and commissioned in the Air Force in 2005, and went on to fly the F-15E in Afghanistan, including participating in the Battle of Kamdesh, which is featured in both Red Platoon and The Outpost. He went on to get Masters Degrees in Aerospace Engineering and Flight Test Engineering, and is a graduate of both the USAF Weapons School and the USAF Test Pilot School. He commanded the 59th Test and Eval Squadron (which includes All 6 fighter/attack jets in one squadron), and then most recently served as Thunderbird 1, the commander of the USAF Thunderbirds. He just wrapped up that command and is now at the NATO Defense College in Rome.


Bonus facts about Astro:


He is the first person in history to complete all 3 Air Force elite flying programs (Weapons School, Test Pilot School, and Thunderbirds).


He combined fighter breathing knowledge from 9 communities into 1 unifying brief to explain fighter physiological performance across disparate communities.


He is a founding member of COPE Fighter, (characterizing/optimizing the physiological environment in fighters).


He founded "Crowd Sourced Flight Test" - pulling fighter test data from fielded forces to avoid test environment stovepipes and accelerate iterative learning.


He was a finalist in the NASA Astronaut 2017 board. He also participated in the 2021 board, but withdrew to accept the Thunderbird 1 assignment.

Mar 03, 202401:39:23
Lessons Learned: Two Years of MOPs & MOEs

Lessons Learned: Two Years of MOPs & MOEs

On this week's episode we're handing over the reins to our guest Brendon Huttmann. Brendon was our guest on episode 3 almost two years ago, where we learned about his transition from Major League Baseball to the Army's H2F program. This time, though, the tables are turned and Brendon is asking the questions.


He came much more prepared for hosting duties than we normally do, and he asked some really insightful questions about our origin story, what we're trying to accomplish with this platform, and what we've learned in the process.


Whether you're a new listener who isn't sure what we're all about or a long time fan who wants the full history of where MOPs & MOEs came from, this one should answer a few of your questions.

Feb 25, 202401:32:47
Attack Aircraft: Human vs Machine with Maj Ridge Flick

Attack Aircraft: Human vs Machine with Maj Ridge Flick

On this week's episode we're diving into some unique human performance considerations for close air support pilots. Everything from cognitive performance to neck strength to how pilots go to the bathroom in single seat aircraft...


Major Ridge "KELSO" Flick is a military pilot with over 2000 cumulative flight hours in the T-6, T-38, and A-10C. He flew A-10 combat missions in support of Operation Inherent Resolve and Operation Freedom Sentinel in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. He is currently the A-10C Program Element Monitor (PEM) at Air Combat Command. In that role, Maj Flick monitors all A-10C modernization and sustainment programs by working with the A-10 squadrons, the System Program Office, the A-10 test team, Headquarters Air Force and other Major Command staffs to ensure the A-10 remains the greatest Close Air Support aircraft in the world.


He received a Bachelors of Science in Aeronautical Engineering from the United States Air Force Academy where he was near the top of his class academically and the captain of the lacrosse team.

Feb 18, 202401:16:12
Predicting Success at Ranger School with LTC Tim Benedict

Predicting Success at Ranger School with LTC Tim Benedict

We have another research focused episode for you guys this week, and we're diving into the recently published article "Demographic, psychosocial, and physical fitness predictors of successful graduation from U.S. Army Ranger School."


We're joined by the lead author, LTC Timothy Benedict, who has a unique background as both an infantry officer and a physical therapist. He is currently an Associate Professor in the Baylor University – Keller Army Community Hospital Division 1 Sports Physical Therapy Fellowship at the United States Military Academy, West Point, New York where he is also the chief of the Physical Therapy Department.


After graduating from the United States Military Academy in 2002, LTC Benedict commissioned as an infantry officer in the U.S. Army. Immediately following graduation from Ranger School, he joined the 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vicenza, Italy, and then deployed to Iraq as a rifle platoon leader (2003-2004) and Afghanistan as a company executive officer (2005-2006). He graduated from the Army-Baylor Physical Therapy Program in 2009 and was assigned to the 3rd Brigade, 25th ID in Schofield Barracks, Hawaii, and deployed to Afghanistan in 2011-2012.


LTC Benedict graduated from the University of Kentucky with a PhD in rehabilitation sciences after completing a randomized controlled trial implementing pain neuroscience education for Service Members with low back pain and post-traumatic stress in 2018. Since obtaining his PhD, Tim has taught and researched about the neuroscience of pain and resilience.

Feb 11, 202401:09:01
MOPs & MOEs Book Club

MOPs & MOEs Book Club

On this episode we each brought five books that have shaped the way we think about human performance and discussed why they had such an impact. And in classic form, we each also brought a few honorable mentions as well.


Drew's books are a little more focused on strength and conditioning, while Alex's books (somewhat unexpectedly) are largely focused on mental health and how exercise affects our brains.


If you're looking for reading suggestions in the human performance space, you have come to the right place. This list spans a lot of different topics, so there's something for everyone.


If you want to get any of them, here is the full list:


Drew's Top 5


Practical Programming for Strength Training (Andy Baker/Mark Rippetoe)


The Science of Running (Steve Magness)


The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (Thomas Kuhn)


Training Talk (Martin Bingisser)


Endure (Alex Hutchinson)


Alex's Top 5


Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain (John Ratey)


Man's Search for Meaning (Viktor Frankl)  


How Minds Change (David Mcraney)


Saving Normal (Allen Frances)


Tribe (Sebastian Junger)

Honorable Mentions


Training for the New Alpinism (Scott Johnston/Steve House)


Starting Strength (Mark Rippetoe)


Strongest Shall Survive (Bill Starr)


80/20 Running (Matt Fitzgerald)


Winning (Clive Woodward)


Reactive Training Systems Manual (Mike Tuscherer)


John Kiely Papers: A New Understanding of Stress, Periodization Paradigms in the 21st Century, and Periodization Theory: Confronting an Inconvenient Truth


Michael Pollan books: This is Your Mind on Plants, In Defense of Food, and Omnivore’s Dilemma


Go Wild (John Ratey)


The Nature Fix (Florence Williams)


Why Zebra’s Don’t Get Ulcers (Robert Sapolsky)

Feb 04, 202401:08:50
Royal Army Physical Training Corps with WO2 Steve Turner
Jan 28, 202401:29:10
State of Strength and Conditioning with Scott Caulfield

State of Strength and Conditioning with Scott Caulfield

On this week's episode we're diving into how strength and conditioning coaches are trained and educated, and we have a perfect guest to tackle this topic. Coach Scott Caulfield is one of the most well-known collegiate strength and conditioning coaches in the industry. He spent 11 years at the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA) as a coaching education manager and head strength and conditioning coach.


Scott Caulfield earned his bachelors degree in Physical Education from Castleton University in 2000 and his masters in Sports Coaching from the University of Denver's renowned Graduate School of Professional Psychology in 2017.


Prior to joining the NSCA, he served as an assistant strength & conditioning coach at Dartmouth College from 2008-11. During that time, he also served as the director of sports performance at the River Valley Club, one of the most successful training facilities in New England, and served as the NSCA's Vermont State Director.


After his time at the NSCA he served as the head strength and conditioning coach at Colorado College, and at the same time teaching in the strength and conditioning graduate degree program at University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. He has given hundreds of public presentations both in the US and internationally.


He became Norwich University's first ever Director of Strength and Conditioning in August 2021. In this role he directs the development and management of individual and group strength and conditioning programs to over 600 student-athletes participating in Norwich University's athletic programs, and as you'll hear in this episode they have a growing relationship with the ROTC programs.


He holds the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist with Distinction (CSCS*D) certification and Registered Strength and Conditioning Coach with Distinction (RSCC*D) designation from the NSCA as well as USA Weightlifting's Level 2 Advanced Sports Performance Coach certification.

Jan 21, 202401:19:05
The Ozempic Episode with Dr. Karl Nadolsky

The Ozempic Episode with Dr. Karl Nadolsky

This is our heavily anticipated episode on the weight loss drugs that have been receiving a ton of media attention recently, including Ozempic and Wegovy (semaglutide), Mounjaro and Zepbound (tirzepatide), and others.


Since these drugs are intimately involved with our bodies' hormone regulation, we had to bring in an hormone expert to break it down for us. Dr. Karl Nadolsky is one of the best in this space, and is both a nationally recognize expert in obesity medicine, and a Navy veteran who worked extensively on these issues with active duty service members at Walter Reed.


Karl is a clinical endocrinologist and chief of the endocrinology, obesity & diabetes department for Holland Hospital in Holland, MI. He is an assistant clinical professor of medicine for Michigan State University College of Human Medicine. He holds board certification in Internal Medicine, Diabetes Endocrinology & Metabolism, and Obesity Medicine.


You may know him from the Docs Who Lift podcast which he co-hosts with his brother Spencer, who is also a doctor specializing in obesity medicine. Both of the brothers are accomplished athletes in addition to their medical credentials, giving them a unique perspective on the appropriate combinations of medical and lifestyle interventions.


You can listen to the Docs Who Lift podcast on Spotify here (or on your preferred listening app).


You can find Karl's article on obesity pharmacotherapy in active duty military populations here.


You can follow Karl on his Instagram for some excellent health and fitness content, and if you want to follow both of the Docs Who Lift, you can follow Spencer on his page as well.

Jan 14, 202401:13:00
Food is Medicine with Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian

Food is Medicine with Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian

This episode is all about nutrition in America: How did we get here? (Hint: there are actually some very good reasons for all the processed food) What problems is our diet creating? (Hint: it's more than just obesity) And what can we do to start fixing it?


That's a huge topic, but our guest is one of the most qualified person to tackle it. Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian is a cardiologist, Jean Mayer Professor of Nutrition at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University, Professor of Medicine at Tufts School of Medicine, and an attending physician at Tufts Medical Center. Recently he also became the founding Director of the Tufts Food is Medicine Institute. His work aims to create the science and translation for a food system that is nutritious, equitable, and sustainable.


Dr. Mozaffarian has authored more than 500 scientific publications on dietary priorities for obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular diseases, and on evidence-based policy approaches and innovations to reduce diet-related diseases and improve health equity in the US and globally. Areas of focus include defining healthy diets, nutritional biomarkers, Food is Medicine interventions in healthcare, business innovation and entrepreneurship, and food policy.


He is one of the top cited researchers in medicine globally, he has served in numerous advisory roles including for the US and Canadian governments, American Heart Association, World Health Organization, and United Nations. His work has been featured in an array of media outlets. Thomson Reuters has named him as one of the World's Most Influential Scientific Minds In 2023, Dr. Mozaffarian was nominated by President Biden to serve on the President’s Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition (PCSFN).


Dr. Mozaffarian received his B.S. in biological sciences from Stanford University, M.D. from Columbia University. He took his residency at Stanford, and was a fellow in cardiovascular medicine at the University of Washington, where he also received his MPH. He earned a Doctorate in Public Health from Harvard. Before being appointed as Dean at Tufts in 2014, Dr. Mozaffarian was at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health for a decade and clinically active in cardiology at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He is married, has three children, and actively trains as a Fourth Degree Black Belt in Taekwondo.


For an overview of the initiatives that the Tufts Food is Medicine Institute is tackling see their fact sheet.


If you want to learn more about the Food Compass drama that we briefly discuss in the episode, check out this blog post summarizing the situation.


You can find the text of the SWEET Act here, which is a proposal to tax sugar sweetened beverages and use the revenue from that tax to fund research on diet-related health conditions.

Jan 07, 202401:18:53
Theory vs Practice: A Survey on Periodization with Kechi Anyadike-Danes

Theory vs Practice: A Survey on Periodization with Kechi Anyadike-Danes

We have Kechi Anyadike-Danes back for round two to discuss the second installment of his planned three part research series looking into the divide between human performance research and education and the reality of actual coaching practice.


This episode is specifically focused on periodization. We chart the history of how periodization theory developed, and then we look at how coaches responded to a variety of questions about core concepts within periodization.


Kechi is a doctoral student at the German Sport University Cologne where he has been looking at various aspects of athlete preparation and how coaches perceive various theories, concepts and strongly held beliefs that exist in the training literature. His doctoral research is being supervised and helped by friend of the pod John Kiely from the University of Limerick and Lars Donath from the German Sport University Cologne. Kechi doesn't just focus on the theoretical, he is also passionate about training and coaching (especially weightlifting).


You can find the full text of Kechi's paper here.


We also discussed Yuri Verkhoshansky's paper "The End of 'Periodization' in the Training of High Performance Sport" an abbreviated translation of which can be found here.


The paper by Matt Clark that we mentioned is available on Modern War Institute here.


Some recommended further reading:


Foundations of Training Periodization Part I: Historical Outline by Jimmy Pedemonte


Foundation of Training Periodization Part II: The Objective of Periodization by Jimmy Pedemonte


From Russia with Love? Sixty years of proliferation of L.P. Matveyev’s concept of Periodisation? by Arnd Kruger


Kechi asked us to include on correction to the section when was discussing a system used in ancient Rome/Greece. The system was called the Tetrad. It is not known whether this was the only approach but it is one that has been popularly discussed due to it appearing in a book called 'On Gymnastics' by Philostratus. Below is the description:


By the tetrad system we mean a cycle of four days, each one of which is devoted to a different activity. The first day prepares the athlete; the second is an all-out trial; the third is relaxation; and the fourth a medium-hard workout. The exercise of the first day, the one that prepares him, is made up of short, intense movements which stir up the athlete and prepare him for the hard workout to follow on the next day. The strenuous day (the second) is an all-out test of his potential. The third, the day of relaxation, so to speak, employs his energy in a moderate way, while on the day of the medium workout (the last day), the athlete practices breaking holds himself and preventing his opponent from breaking away. 

Dec 31, 202301:26:42
Three Things We've Changed Our Minds About with John Mackersie

Three Things We've Changed Our Minds About with John Mackersie

On this episode we have John Mackersie joining us for a little end of year reflection.


John is a strength and conditioning coach with over 15 years of professional experience in collegiate athletics and military special operations. He began coaching in Division I athletics and has been working with special operations since 2013. He has spoken and lectured on numerous occasions at national and regional levels, including preparing aspiring coaches for certification exams. He is a strong believer in all things old school (he and Drew share an affinity for stone lifting) but also in integrating newer technologies. He has both his bachelors and masters in psychology, bringing a unique perspective to the strength and conditioning profession.


We each prepared for this conversation by thinking of three big things we’ve changed our minds on when it comes to human performance. A common theme was the difference between the “textbook” version of strength and conditioning and the reality of working with actual people who have complicated lives, specific preferences, and plenty of other priorities beyond fitness.

 

As you listen, think about what you’ve changed your mind on when it comes to your own health and fitness. If you’re listening on Spotify we’ll have a Q&A button on this episode, or you can join us over on the Instagram page to share the lessons you’ve learned.

Dec 24, 202301:14:25
Dysfunction at the VA with Dr. Chris Frueh

Dysfunction at the VA with Dr. Chris Frueh

We're back with another foray into some topics that are often considered outside the scope of military human performance, but play important roles in whether these programs achieve their goals: mental health, veteran healthcare, and the veteran disability system. Our guest brings 15 years of experience working as a clinical psychologist in the VA, plus extensive work on multiple initiatives with the special operations community.


Christopher Frueh, PhD is a clinical psychologist by training and Professor of Psychology at the University of Hawaii. He has over thirty years of professional experience working with military veterans and active-duty personnel, and has conducted clinical trials, epidemiology, historical, and neuroscience research. He has co-authored over 300 scientific publications, including a graduate textbook on adult psychopathology.


His work on “Operator Syndrome” is helping change the way we understand and treat the complex set of interrelated health, psychological, and interpersonal difficulties that are common downstream outcomes of a career in military special operations. He has advisory roles with SEAL Future Foundation, Boulder Crest Foundation, Military Special Operations Family Collaborative, The Mission Within, VETS, Inc., Quick Reaction Foundation, and to the military special operations community in general.


We're actually going to have him back in a couple months to focus on Operator Syndrome because he has a book on the topic coming out, but on this episode we're focusing on his time at the VA, where he worked from 1991-2006. Specifically we're digging into how the VA approaches mental health.


He has testified before US Congress, and served as a paid contractor for Department of Defense, Veterans Affairs, US State Department, and the National Board of Medical Examiners. He has also been published, quoted, and cited in a huge range of publications including commentaries in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Reuters, and many others.


We strongly recommend listening to our episode with Dan Gade or reading his book if this is a topic that interests you. You'll hear both referenced a few times throughout this conversation.


Here are a few of the references he mentioned during the episode:


Kessler et al, 2005 - a large scale investigation of lifetime prevalence of mental health disorders.


Frueh et al, 2005 - Chris' own research that the VA attempted to prevent from being published

Dec 17, 202301:11:21
Physical Training Planning Guide
Dec 10, 202301:21:13
Everything You Know About Energy Systems is Wrong with Evan Peikon

Everything You Know About Energy Systems is Wrong with Evan Peikon

If you've spent any time learning about strength and conditioning you're almost certainly familiar with the "energy systems" framework. In this episode we're breaking down why the way these concepts are widely understood isn't supported by the evidence. And don't worry, we're not just here to criticize, we also explore an alternative model that's more up to date.


Evan Peikon is back for his second episode (if you missed his first, check it out here). He is a physiologist and bioscientist who focuses on human performance, including consulting for elite athletes and military special operations. He has a particular focus on understanding and monitoring how the body utilizes oxygen during exercise.


He the co-founder and lead physiologist at NNOXX, where he and his team developed the first and only wearable device to non-invasively measure muscle oxygenation (SmO2) and nitric oxide (NO) release from red blood cells in real-time.


If you're not familiar with the traditional energy systems model, I made this Instagram post about it in the early days of MOPs & MOEs.


You can even find this energy systems model on the Army's official page.


Evan cited three studies that collectively shatter the fundamental assumptions behind the traditional energy systems model, here are each of those studies:


The "glycogen shunt" in exercising muscle


Metabolic fluctuation during a muscle contraction cycle


Simultaneous in vivo measurements of HbO2 saturation and PCr kinetics after exercise in normal humans

Dec 03, 202301:32:57
Leadership Lessons from Team Sports with COL Nate Conkey

Leadership Lessons from Team Sports with COL Nate Conkey

This week's episode has a little bit of everything. The role of team sports in the military, lessons in leadership, how to stay injury free through a career in the infantry, and the challenges of balancing two careers and family responsibilities in a dual military marriage. Our guest has, on top of his successful Army career, played a key role in leading the All Army Rugby team to a decade of dominance in the Armed Forces Rugby Championship.


COL Nate Conkey is a current United States Army War College Fellow studying at Columbia University and most recently served as the Regimental Tactical Officer for the First Regiment of the United States Corps of Cadets at West Point, NY. He commissioned into the Infantry in 2000 after graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point with a Bachelor of Science degree in Aeronautical Engineering. He also holds a Master of Arts in Physical Education from Columbia University's Teacher's College.


COL Conkey’s infantry career has taken him from the 2nd infantry division at JBLM to the 101st at Ft Campbell to teaching at West Point’s Department of Physical Education to the 1st Cavalry Division at Ft Hood, back to JBLM for multiple field grade assignments and a stint as the 1st Corps Commander’s Liaison Officer to United States Army Pacific from Fort Shafter, Hawaii. He returned to JBLM as the Battalion Commander for 2-357 IN of 189th INF BDE, and then most recently served as the Professor of Military Science for Auburn University Army ROTC program in Auburn, AL. He has been selected as the next Commandant of the United States Military Academy Preparatory School beginning in Summer 2024.


COL Conkey's deployments include as a Rifle Company Commander to Kirkuk, Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom, and as a Future Plans Officer with the 1st CAV DIV to Bagram, Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.


His list of awards is long, but highlights include the Bronze Star Medal, Purple Heart Medal, Ranger Tab, Airborne, Air Assault, Pathfinder, and both the Combat and Expert Infantryman's Badges. He was the Army’s Athlete of the Year in 2014.


He is married to COL Kate Conkey, an Academy Professor in the Department of Behavioral Sciences and Leadership and they have three kids together.


If you want to read the article on navigating a career as a dual military couple by Nate and Kate Conkey, you can find it here.

Nov 26, 202301:08:15
Sergeant Major of the Army (Retired) Michael "Tony" Grinston
Nov 19, 202351:53
The Power of Mindfulness with Ellen Langer

The Power of Mindfulness with Ellen Langer

Mindfulness is a hot topic, but how many people even know what the term really means? To dive into it we have one of the world's foremost researchers on this topic. Ellen Langer has been researching mind-body unity for nearly half a century, and her work has influenced everything from behavioral economics to healthcare to positive psychology.


We've cited her work on numerous occasions before, most notably the chambermaid study, as well as several studies led by students from her lab. This work generally centers on how our beliefs influence how our bodies respond to things we might normally assume are strictly biologically mediated.


You'll hear quickly in this episode that we did not come to this conversation immediately agreeing on the applicability of mindfulness in all situations, but Dr. Langer presents compelling arguments for its advantages.


Ellen Langer was the first woman to be tenured in psychology at Harvard, where she is still professor of psychology. The recipient of three Distinguished Scientists awards, the Arthur W. Staats Award for Unifying Psychology, a Guggenheim Fellowship, and the Liberty Science Genius Award, Dr. Langer is the author of twelve books, including international bestseller Mindfulness, as well as The Power of Mindful Learning, Counterclockwise, and On Becoming an Artist.


Her trailblazing experiments in social psychology have earned inclusion in The New York Times Magazine's "Year in Ideas" issue. She is known worldwide as the "mother of mindfulness."


We discussed a large number of research studies in this episode, here are just a few of the most foundational and most frequently cited:


Mind-set matters: exercise and the placebo effect, better known as "The Chambermaid Study," is a classic that demonstrates how our mindset towards physical activity directly influences its health benefits.


Blood sugar level follows perceived time rather than actual time in people with type 2 diabetes is one of several Langer studies relying on rigged clocks to show how perceived time can be more influential than actual time, even on something as seemingly biological as blood sugar.


Mind over milkshakes: mindsets, not just nutrients, determine ghrelin response shows that how we think about our food directly influences how it is digested and the nutritional value it provides.

Nov 12, 202301:14:60
How Exercise Science is Failing Coaches with Kechi Anyadike-Danes

How Exercise Science is Failing Coaches with Kechi Anyadike-Danes

On this episode we dive into an awesome study that was published recently. It digs into something we often talk about here: the huge gap between sports science research and the actual reality of coaching in the human performance space. Right after it came out we saw people from across the human performance space talking about it, so we knew it would make for a great discussion.


The author of the piece is Kechi Anyadike-Danes and our discussion was definitely enhanced because, in addition to his research work, Kechi is also passionate about training and coaching (especially weightlifting). This background puts him in an excellent position to address the ways human performance research (plus accreditation systems, education, etc.) is failing to address the realities of actual human performance coaching.


Kechi is a doctoral student at the German Sport University Cologne where I he has been looking at various aspects of athlete preparation and how coaches perceive various theories, concepts and strongly held beliefs that exist in the training literature. He has a particular interest in the reasons for divisions that seem to routinely exist between sports scientists and coaches regarding certain topics. His doctoral research is being supervised and helped by friend of the pod John Kiely from the University of Limerick and Lars Donath from the German Sport University Cologne.


Read Kechi's study: Coaches’ Perceptions of Factors Driving Training Adaptation: An International Survey


We mentioned the TED Talk "Are athletes really getting faster, better, stronger?"


Listen to our previous episode with Kechi's research mentor John Kiely

Nov 05, 202301:30:03
NASA's Chief Science Officer for Human Health and Performance, Judy Hayes

NASA's Chief Science Officer for Human Health and Performance, Judy Hayes

For the final episode of our NASA series we're welcoming Judy Hayes, Chief Science Officer for NASA's Human Health and Performance Directorate. She joined Johnson Space Center (JSC) in 1984 as a research scientist in the Neurosciences Laboratory and established the JSC Exercise Physiology Laboratory in 1987. She was principle investigator on two Space Shuttle experiments studying the effects of microgravity on skeletal muscle performance in astronauts. During her career she managed the physiology laboratories, Reduced Gravity Programs, Space Medicine Project, and integration of biomedical research for the Space Shuttle, Russian Mir-Shuttle, and International Space Station programs. In addition to JSC, she managed NASA laboratories at the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center in Star City, Russia.


Judy earned a Bachelor of Science and Master of Science in Exercise Physiology from West Virginia University followed by a Master of Public Health degree in Occupational Health/Aerospace Medicine from the University of Texas Health Sciences Center. She completed a joint fellowship at The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine supporting epidemiologic research in the development of clinical practice guidelines for the National Health Service in the United Kingdom. She has been awarded the NASA Silver Snoopy and WVU Outstanding Alumnus. She was inducted into the WVU Hall of Fame and the WVU Academy of Distinguished Alumni.


The wealth of experience that Judy brings made this a great conversation about many of biggest physiological challenges that NASA faces trying to keep humans healthy during long duration space missions. Some of the topics we discussed were how NASA simulates space for research here on earth (everything from parabolic flight to underwater labs to long term isolation experiments), how they're adjusting their protocols for planned missions to the moon and Mars, and how they select and develop equipment solutions for use in space.


Commercial Destinations in Low Earth Orbit



E4D (European Enhanced Exploration Exercise Devices)



Complement of Integrated Protocols for Human Exploration Research (CIPHER)



Crew Health and Performance Exploration Analog (CHAPEA)



NASA Spinoff



Bone and Mineral Evaluation and Analysis (this involves scans every three years, including on retired astronauts)


Spaceflight Associated Neuro-ocular Syndrome (SANS)

Oct 29, 202350:25
Astronaut Strength Conditioning and Rehab (Part 2) with NASA Human Performance

Astronaut Strength Conditioning and Rehab (Part 2) with NASA Human Performance

This episode is a continuation of last week's conversation, so if you missed it we highly encourage you to go back and start there. We have NASA's Astronaut Strength Conditioning and Rehabilitation (ASCR) team joining us, including Corey Twine (Strength and Conditioning Coach), Danielle Anderson (Physical Therapist), Bruce Nieschwitz (Athletic Trainer), and Christ Keeler (Athletic Trainer).


In the previous conversation we focused on pre-flight preparation for astronauts and we transitioned into the in-flight training they do to mitigate the effects of microgravity. This time we wrap up the in-flight conversation and transition into post-flight rehabilitation.


We discuss everything from how to do a dynamic warm up in space to the potential for things like wearables and blood flow restriction training in space. Like lasting time, we learn a lot about the fascinating challenges involved in keeping humans healthy and fit in space.


NASA makes a huge amount of their information publicly available, here are a few for those of you that want to dive deeper into some of the topics we discussed:


NASA has a dedicated page to highlight technology spinoffs that were developed for spaceflight but now benefit those of us here on earth. You can even find Bowflex on there!


The Commercial Low Earth Orbit Development Program (CLDP) is NASA's program to assist companies with developing commercial access to low earth orbit.


Astronaut flight assignment process⁠


⁠EVA (extravehicular activity/spacewalk) spacesuit⁠


⁠Human adaptation to spaceflight⁠ (if you search “exercise,” you’ll find quite a few references to how exercise is used as a countermeasure in spaceflight)

Oct 22, 202301:18:45
Astronaut Strength Conditioning and Rehabilitation with NASA Human Performance

Astronaut Strength Conditioning and Rehabilitation with NASA Human Performance

Welcome to episode 2 of our NASA series! This is the first of two conversations we had with the Astronaut Strength Conditioning and Rehabilitation (ASCR - pronounced "acer") team. Much like the interdisciplinary human performance teams supporting military organizations, we'll hear from a Strength and Conditioning Coach (Corey), two Athletic Trainers (Bruce and Christi), and a Physical Therapist (Danielle). And it doesn't stop there, you'll hear how they collaborate with a broad range of professionals to integrate human performance into spaceflight.


The challenges these folks are faced with on a daily basis are incredible. For example, no one can be using the exercise equipment when the space station needs to change altitude, or when a spacecraft is docking with the station. They're also responsible for teaching the astronauts to use the exercise equipment in zero gravity, including a resistance training machine that can be loaded up to 600lbs.


Bios for each of the team members are below, but first, here are some links to resources we mentioned during the conversation:


Astronaut flight assignment process


EVA (extravehicular activity/spacewalk) spacesuit


Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory (NBL)


Human adaptation to spaceflight (if you search “exercise,” you’ll find quite a few references to how exercise is used as a countermeasure in spaceflight)


Corey Twine is an ASCR Specialist at NASA Johnson Space Center (JSC) for KBR. Prior to this role, Corey served as a strength and conditioning coach for the Army Special Forces as a part of the POTFF contract at KBR. He also supported astronauts during the shuttle era, acting as the primary ASCR for several shuttle missions, including STS 114 "Return to Flight" in 2005. Since returning to KBR in 2018, Mr. Twine has worked extensively on projects spanning the design and implementation of mission-specific strength and conditioning programs for individuals in obscure environments.


Major Danielle Anderson is a Physical Therapist currently assigned to Johnson Space Center, National Aeronautics and Space Administration. She delivers a spectrum of neuromusculoskeletal care preparing and supporting both U.S and International Astronauts for long duration space flight aboard the International Space Station (ISS). Additionally, she provides consultation and management recommendations to Crew and Deputy Crew Flight Surgeons. She serves as the Air Force's liaison to the Military Musculoskeletal residency, a tri-service one-year Physical Therapy residency, where she oversees admittance, regional instruction, and successful program completion of Air Force, Army and Navy Physical Therapists.


Christi Keeler is an ASCR at NASA Johnson Space Center for KBR's Government Solutions U.S. Science and Space Business Unit. Prior to this role, she worked in several orthopedic settings and in organ and tissue procurement. Since joining KBR in 2022, Mrs. Keeler has worked extensively supporting the neuromuscular care program by evaluating, treating and rehabilitating injuries for both U.S. and international astronauts for long duration spaceflight aboard the International Space Station (ISS). Her role also includes servicing crew by instructing mobility classes, completing functional fitness evaluations, and training on spaceflight Advanced Resistance Exercise Device (ARED).


Bruce Nieschwitz is an ASCR for KBR at NASA-JSC. Bruce's primary role is to provide comprehensive strength and conditioning, physical medicine, and rehabilitation services for pre-flight, in-flight, and post-flight to active astronauts. Since Bruce began at KBR in 2006, he has served as the primary ASCR assigned to numerous shuttle and ISS missions. He also provides perspective, serving as a subject matter expert for designing and using exercise hardware for spaceflight. He is a board-certified and Licensed Athletic Trainer earning his B.S. from Kent State University and was a Graduate Assistant Athletic Trainer at Mankato State University.

Oct 15, 202301:11:13
Fitness in Space with NASA Astronaut Shane Kimbrough

Fitness in Space with NASA Astronaut Shane Kimbrough

Welcome to the first episode of our four part series with NASA, focusing on how they approach human performance for the unique demands of spaceflight. We're starting with an astronaut and in the rest of the series we'll be talking with the human performance and research teams who support them. Stay tuned!


Colonel (retired) Shane Kimbrough is a 1989 West Point graduate where he was captain of the baseball team. He was commissioned as an aviation officer and flew Apaches, including in Desert Storm. He got his Masters of Science degree at the Georgia Institute of Technology in 1998, and headed back to West Point to teach in the math department. While he was teaching he got selected by NASA to be an astronaut and he entered that program in 2004.


He completed his first spaceflight in 2008 on STS-126, one of the last shuttle missions where they were building the international space station. He spent almost 16 days on the mission to expand the crew living quarters to accommodate a six-member crew on the International Space Station (ISS). He performed two spacewalks during this mission. On his second spaceflight, Kimbrough launched to the ISS on the Russian Soyuz MS-02 spacecraft from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. This mission lasted 173 days as part of Expeditions 49 and 50, where he performed four spacewalks and numerous science and maintenance activities. He most recently served as commander of the NASA/SpaceX Crew-2 Dragon spacecraft, which launched from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Once on the ISS, Kimbrough served as Flight Engineer of Expedition 65/66. He performed three spacewalks during the 199-day mission. Kimbrough now has a total of 388 days in space.


For additional insights into Shane's approach to fitness, your can read his profiles in Men’s Health and Men’s Journal.

Oct 08, 202301:06:51
How to Train for Work Capacity

How to Train for Work Capacity

This week's episode is all about work capacity. What is it? How do you train for it? What programming principles apply?


This is another one of our recurring "how to" episodes, and it essentially fills in the gap left after our strength and endurance episodes. Somewhere between those two is the fuzzy concept of work capacity, which brings up related concepts like "mixed modal training" and even the dreaded CrossFit.


We start with a few definitions (some better than others) and even a quick science lesson. After that the bulk of this episode focuses on Drew's "Theoretical Guide to Work Capacity" which lays out his multi-pace theory. We highly recommend you pull up the blog post if you can, some of the framework is easier to digest when you can look at a chart. To some extent, this also builds on the previous blog post "Three Strategies for Functional Conditioning."


Subscribers to our Long and Strong program may enjoy this look into the method behind the madness of the work capacity sessions they've been doing a lot of. If this episode gets you curious, we'd love to have you join us!


One of our definitions of work capacity came from the very smart Greg Nuckols of Stronger by Science.


Another came from T-Nation, which can be a good resource as long as you're on guard for their shameless and aggressive supplement sales.


Unsurprisingly we also touch on CrossFit's definition as well


And Drew also specifically cites OPEX's framework, specifically maximal aerobic power.


Finally, and perhaps oddly, one of our definitions came from the Indian Journal of Environmental & Occupational Medicine. It turns out there is a large body of research focused on work capacity in the context of manual labor. Based on their less than impressive grasp on physiology, this might be an opportunity for some exercise physiology folks to help them out.

Oct 01, 202359:58
INVI Mindhealth with Jonathan Wilson

INVI Mindhealth with Jonathan Wilson

On this episode we're diving into the mental health conversation, and we hope it's only the beginning.


Our guest is Jonathan Wilson, a former Navy SEAL with multiple deployments to both Iraq and Afghanistan. His transition journey included an MBA from University of Oxford's Said Business School and working as an equity trader at Goldman Sachs. While it all looked great on paper, he still found himself struggling with his own mental health. This led him to founding the SEAL Future Foundation in 2012.


Our focus in this episode though is his role as CEO and Founder of INVI Mindhealth. They are leveraging some interesting technology to monitor physiological indicators of distress, but more importantly they're combining the tech with human to human interaction.


In what is starting to becoming a theme with our favorite episodes, we threw the plan for this conversation out the window almost immediately. So join as we go down many of the rabbit holes involved in military and veteran mental health.

Sep 24, 202301:15:33
Data Driven Strength with Zac Robinson and Josh Pelland
Sep 17, 202301:33:56
Corporate Wellness and Military Human Performance: Flipped Interview with Newton Cheng

Corporate Wellness and Military Human Performance: Flipped Interview with Newton Cheng

On this episode we welcome Newton Cheng back to the podcast, but this time he's taking over hosting duty! In his previous episode we focused on what military human performance could learn from corporate wellness, but he wanted to turn the tables and find out what corporate wellness could learn from military human performance.


Newton is a father, world-class powerlifter, engineer, and Google's Director of Health and Performance. In his work, he leads a team with the mission to support the physical, mental, social, and spiritual health and well-being of Google's global workforce. At the time this episode is publishing, he's also just a few days out from competing in primetime at USAPL raw nationals. If you're curious to learn more about his (impressive) powerlifting, check out his Instagram page.


This wide ranging conversation is all about helping someone with an outside perspective understand how the military approaches human performance, including both the good parts and the bad parts. We hope this will become a continuing conversation, since we have a lot to learn from each other in this space.


In our discussion about spirituality we recommended Soul Boom by Rainn Wilson, which you can find here.


In our attempt to define both corporate wellness and military human performance we cited several sources, those are:


Human Performance Optimization: A Framework for the Military Health System


Booz Allen's Human Performance Training for Military Missions


RTI International's Military Health and Human Performance


Human Performance Resources by the Consortium for Health and Military Performance (CHAMP)


Bureau of Labor Statistics' What attributes characterize a successful corporate wellness program?

Sep 10, 202301:23:36
Ranger Assessment and Selection with 1SG Tyler Fillion

Ranger Assessment and Selection with 1SG Tyler Fillion

This week's guest is Tyler Fillion, the current Company 1SG and Senior Enlisted Advisor to the 75th Ranger Regiment Selection and Training Company. The Company conducts assessment and selection programs, known as RASP1 and RASP2, as well as a pre-Ranger School course known as SURT (small unit Ranger tactics). Additionally, the Company runs an extensive Pre-RASP program that prepares service members for RASP1.


Tyler has been serving in the Army since 2005 and attended Ranger School shortly after a 15 month deployment to Iraq during the surge. That was his first exposure to Ranger Regiment soldiers, and after another deployment he attended one of the first editions of the RASP1 course in 2010.


His career has taken him from 3rd Ranger Battalion, to Regimental Headquarters, to 1st Ranger Battalion, and now back to Fort Moore with Selection and Training. Tyler holds a Masters degree in Psychology with a focus on Industrial and Organization Psychology.


It's very clear from our conversation that Tyler cares deeply about human performance and is a huge believer in the Army's H2F system. As you might expect from a leader in Ranger Regiment, he's all about challenging people to achieve things they might not have thought were possible.


This episode has a lot of good information for any soldier who aspires to serve in Ranger Regiment, but it's also full of insight for anyone who is interested in how to incorporate human performance staffs into a military unit. The Rangers have been doing it for over a decade now, and Tyler speaks to how they get the most value out of their Ranger Athlete Warrior program.


For insight into assessment and selection processes, Tyler recommended this documentary about the British Pegasus Company.


To understand the culture in Ranger Regiment, Tyer recommended the 6-part Ranger Creed series. You can find those videos, along with plenty of others about life in Ranger Regiment on their YouTube channel.


To find the monthly challenges we talked about, check out @75th_humanperformance_wellness on Instagram.


RASP also has their own Instagram page that offers glimpses into the assessment and selection process.


And finally, if you're ready to take the next steps towards becoming a Ranger, you can find their recruiting team here.

Sep 03, 202301:14:42
From the Army to CrossFit with Chandler Smith

From the Army to CrossFit with Chandler Smith

This week's episode is an exciting one. If you've been following MOPs & MOEs on Instagram you'll know that, in additional to the normally scheduled military human performance content, we occasionally transform into a fan page for the one and only Chandler Smith. This week, we finally have him on for a chat!


When we recorded this conversation Chandler was in the final weeks of preparation for his fourth CrossFit Games appearance, where he ultimately placed 7th. This year was a comeback season for him after a massive asthma attack during last year's semifinals derailed his season.


Chandler grew up around athletics, his father was an NFL fullback and now works as a strength and conditioning coach for the Dallas Cowboys. Chandler wrestled throughout high school and at West Point, discovering CrossFit as a conditioning tool along the way.


Graduating in 2015, Chandler commissioned as an Armor Officer and started focusing more and more on training for competitive CrossFit with a goal of making it to the Games by 2022. Despite a couple setbacks including losing part of his left ring finger in an Army training accident in 2017 and having to train in extremely austere conditions while deployed in 2018, he ended up beating his goal and qualifying for the Games in 2019. He has since separated from the Army and is now a full time professional CrossFit athlete.


Chandler is also very involved in the programming of his training, reflecting his interest in understanding the why behind various training approaches. This gives us a unique opportunity to talk to someone who is not only well versed on the Xs and Os of training, but is also applying those principles at an elite level.


If you want to learn more about what happened to Chandler last year, we highly recommend the In the Arena documentary following his 2022 season.


You can find Chandler on Instagram here.

Aug 27, 202301:03:06
Long and Strong Program FAQ
Aug 20, 202358:25
When Ranger School isn't the Hard Part with Emma Powless

When Ranger School isn't the Hard Part with Emma Powless

This wide ranging episode will touch on everything from the Army's fitness education for leaders, to the way soldiers prepare physically for demanding courses like Ranger and Sapper, to what it's like being a woman and a leader in combat organizations. Emma brings an authentic perspective and is very direct on these issues in a way that will hopefully start some important conversations.


1LT Emma Powless currently serves as a Combat Engineer in the Army’s only Rough Terrain unit, the 57th Sapper Company (Airborne), at Fort Liberty, NC. This is the Army's only unit designed to intentionally jump into trees and then clear landing zones and drop zones for follow on forces.


Emma graduated from West Point in 2020 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Kinesiology where she also competed on the Women's Lacrosse Team, the Triathlon Team, and the Functional Fitness Team. Her military schools include Airborne School, Military Freefall School, Ranger School, Sapper School, Jumpmaster School, and the Master Fitness Trainer Course. With all those schools, she was the 6th woman ever to earn both her Ranger and Sapper tabs.


Outside of the Army Emma enjoys fitness, mentoring others, sourdough baking, and skydiving.


Emma is a huge advocate for mentorship, and if you want to reach out to her directly you can email her at epowless21@gmail.com

Aug 13, 202301:05:11
Yoga Nidra for Athletes with Selenia di Fronso

Yoga Nidra for Athletes with Selenia di Fronso

On today's episode we're diving into Yoga Nidra, which translated literally means yoga sleep. While it's not literally sleep, evidence suggests it can be a powerful tool for improving sleep quality and falling asleep faster, among many other things. That is the subject of a piece by our guest, titled "The Thin Line Between Waking and Sleeping in Athletes: A Call for Yoga Nidra in the Sporting Context."


Selenia di Fronso is a PhD researcher affiliated with the Department of Medicine and Aging Sciences, within the Behavioral Imaging and Neural Dynamics Center, University “G. d'Annunzio” of Chieti-Pescara, Chieti, Italy. She focuses on sports psychology, including things like mental imagery, stress management, and mindfulness.


While this is an opinion piece, it heavily references the existing literature on Yoga Nidra, especially in medical contexts. She's primarily calling for greater investigation of how Yoga Nidra could be applied in athletic contexts.


Once you hear about it, we're sure some of you are going to be interested in trying this out. For those people we're also releasing a recorded guided session that she has prepared for us, which will appear as a separate episode.


Below are some additional resources if you want to learn more or find more sessions:


For our veteran listeners, there is an 8-week prerecorded iRest series through the VA’s War Related Illness and Injury Study Center, or you can contact them for live sessions. Technically these recordings are right there on their website, so you don't really need to be a veteran...


A 2010 Pain Management Task Force report from the Office of the Army Surgeon General listed Yoga Nidra as a “Tier 1” modality for pain management.


Evidence from Occupational Therapy settings suggests that Yoga Nidra can significantly improve time spent asleep (above and beyond traditional sleep hygiene interventions) for patients suffering from sleep disorders.


Clinical studies have shown that yoga nidra meditation is associated with positive physiological changes, including improvements in several hematological variables, red blood cell counts, blood glucose levels, and hormonal status. Two neuroimaging studies have shown that yoga nidra produces changes in endogenous dopamine release and cerebral blood flow, a further confirmation that its effects on the CNS are objectively measurable. The practice has also been shown to reduce psychometrically measured indices of mild depression and anxiety, although these benefits were not shown in an experimental study to extend to severe depression or severe anxiety.

Aug 06, 202354:26
BONUS: Guided Yoga Nidra Session

BONUS: Guided Yoga Nidra Session

We recommend listening to the full podcast episode we did with Selenia di Fronso before listening to this guided Yoga Nidra session. In our conversation we discussed the research showing a wide range of benefits from Yoga Nidra, which include improved sleep quality, sleep duration, and sleep latency, but also go far beyond sleep. It has been shown to improve things as varied as red blood cell counts and blood glucose levels, and is even a validated treatment for both PTSD and chronic pain.

If that episode gets you interested, you can listen to this for a guided Yoga Nidra session of your own.

Aug 06, 202321:54
The Best Time of Day to Train with Raphael Knaier and Ralf Roth
Jul 30, 202358:35
How the Media Covers the Military with Todd South

How the Media Covers the Military with Todd South

We have ongoing conversations here about fitness in the military, disability policies, changes to testing, and so much more. Because many of these are hot topics, they often attract media coverage, which can have both positive and negative consequences. To help shed some light on the complex relationship between the media and the military, especially with regard to health and fitness issues, we brought in an expert for this episode.


Todd South is Editor-at-large for Military Times, which publishes Air Force Times, Army Times, Marine Corps Times, and Navy Times. Todd has written about crime, courts, government and the military for multiple publications since 2004 and was named a 2014 Pulitzer finalist for a co-written project on witness intimidation. Todd served as a Marine in the Iraq War, and some of his favorite topics include marksmanship and fitness.


As a special bonus, stay tuned until the end of the episode to get some pro tips on how to put together Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests from someone who has extensive experience doing them.


Todd makes several references throughout the episode to places you can go to learn more about journalism, here are the links if you want to go check them out:


The Braindead Megaphone: the titular essay from this collection by George Saunders presages some of the modern social media problems with which we’re all now grappling.


All I know is What I Read in the Papers (explains what the public gets wrong about reporters and how they do their work in a very funny way). This essay is available either as a Kindle single or in the essay collection titled “Sex, Drugs and Cocoa Puffs.”


The News: A User's Manual which Todd describes as being how news should be viewed, read and frankly, produced. Many of the sentiments expressed had rattle around his head starting with his first bylines in 2004. He wishes all creators and consumers of news media would read it.


Intimate Journalism: The Art and Craft of Reporting Everyday Life, which he describes as simply a classic that should be studied more by journalists at every level.

Jul 23, 202301:13:50
12 Second Culture: Human Performance in NASCAR Pit Crews

12 Second Culture: Human Performance in NASCAR Pit Crews

This episode offers an awesome lens into a really unique corner of the human performance world: NASCAR pit crews. These teams perform physically and cognitively demanding tasks under highly stressful conditions where speed and teamwork are both vital. Our guests are not only accomplished pit crew athletes in their own right, but also coaches who have led teams to achieve at the highest levels.


Shaun Peet and Mike Metcalf are the co-founders DECK Leadership and co-authors of 12 Second Culture. They are working to transforming the modern workplace by uncovering opportunities for Diversity, Efficiency, Culture, and Kindness rooted in the principles of a pit crew experience. Together they have over 25 years of experience in NASCAR and have worked with many Fortune 500 companies. They are Co-Head Pit Crew Coaches and Directors of Culture and Community at Trackhouse Racing.


Shaun played hockey in the Ivy League at Dartmouth College, where he picked up a double major in Psychology and Sociology. He then played eight years in the minor leagues. A chance meeting with a fan then afforded him an opportunity to work in NASCAR as a Jackman on a pit crew for the next 12 years where he was a part of the Red Bull Racing Crew that won the 2008 World Pit Crew Championships.


Mike was a fullback for Appalachian State University football and then entered the world of motorsports in 2006 as a member of a NASCAR Pit Crew. In addition to competing he started coaching in 2012. He's also very engaged with several volunteering efforts in his community.


Tune in to find out what principles they use to build elite pit crew teams, and how this episode only came to be thanks to chance meeting following a car wreck in a tiny French village.






You can order their book 12 Second Culture here.

Jul 16, 202301:13:43
Coaches' Corner: Intro to Autoregulation

Coaches' Corner: Intro to Autoregulation

We're back with another practical episode, and this time it is how to implement autoregulation into your coaching and/or training. We start out by laying out the foundational concepts that underpin autoregulation, specifically the difference between external and internal load, then we discuss rating of perceived exertion scales. But most importantly, we talk through the reasons why we think it's important and some strategies for incorporating it into your training.


Autoregulation is particularly important in tactical populations because of its utility in adjusting group workouts when the group contains a wide diversity of fitness levels. Equipping them with an understanding of RPE is an easy way to start individualizing training even when you can't necessarily individualize the programming itself.


There aren't a whole lot of research references for this episode since we focused on practical application, but here are the ones we mentioned and a few we didn't:


Barbell Medicine's great article on autoregulation and RPE.


As part of their discussion on measuring the intensity of physical activity, the CDC actually has a page on RPE.


Small scale research indicates that athletes can learn to accurately apply RPE in as little as a few weeks.


Self-selected exercise improves athlete's enjoyment of training due to the higher levels of autonomy they experience (but on average they're less likely to self-select higher intensities).


Self-selected cardiovascular training intensity correlates more strongly with ventilatory threshold than percent of peak heart rate (this ties to some of our conversations about how to determine "zone 2").

Jul 09, 202301:04:16
Are we Tough Enough? with LTG (R) Mark Hertling

Are we Tough Enough? with LTG (R) Mark Hertling

LTG (R) Mark Hertling may be best known these days as a national security correspondent for CNN, where you'll often here him discussing the latest developments in Ukraine. But throughout his accomplished military career his interest in the health and fitness of soldiers was a major theme.


His 2012 TED Talk "Obesity is a National Security Issue" has over three million views on YouTube, and is frequently cited in conversations about how obesity and lack of physical activity impact the readiness of our military. But we can trace his interest in fitness much earlier than that. He got his Masters in Kinesiology in 1984 before heading off to instruct in West Point's Department of Physical Education. Shortly after that assignment he wrote his 1987 CGSC thesis titled "Physical Training for the Modern Battlefield: Are we Tough Enough?" Ultimately, he applied much of this knowledge as TRADOC's Deputy Commander for Initial Military Training where he oversaw a major overhaul of the Army's Basic Combat Training.


His involvement in these issues certainly didn't end when he took off the uniform, he went on to serve on the President's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition, as well as serving on the board of Mission: Readiness. More recently he authored "Growing Physician Leaders" and he has held several leadership roles in the healthcare space.


LTG Hertling's unique perspective on some of the topics we discuss here most often makes this episode particularly valuable. You'll hear about the challenges our leaders face, even at the highest levels, trying to make real change in how the military approaches fitness, nutrition, and health.

Jul 02, 202301:11:07
Emergency Episode! ACFT NDAA Confusion Explained
Jun 25, 202318:28
The 5ft Firefighter with Katrina Mohr

The 5ft Firefighter with Katrina Mohr

This episode is a slight detour from our normally military-focused content into the world of wildland firefighting. Katrina Mohr was recently featured on Outside Online where she talked about her path into firefighting as well as the challenges of being a small woman in an extremely physically demanding job. There were some great insights there, so we invited her to join us for a conversation as well.


When we first reached out to Katrina she was hesitant to come on the podcast because she didn't feel qualified, but we think as you listen you'll find a lot of practical insights here that apply to anyone pursuing physical challenges, or big goals of any kind.


Her blog, The 5ft Firefighter, contains a wealth of resources for anyone looking to learn more about wildland firefighting, especially if they want to find out how to get into this kind of work. If the conversation we have here piques your interest, definitely go check it out to learn more!


Since recording this episode she's been advocating for the Tim Hart Wildland Firefighter Classification and Pay Parity Act. This bill would go a long way to helping these critical firefighters make a living wage. They currently make as little as $13.45 an hour, and that does NOT include times when they're on standby or even times when they're on assignment but not actively at the fire site.


You can find the fact sheet here and more information and testimonials here.


You can also find Katrina on Instagram here.

Jun 25, 202301:15:06
Challenges in Military Nutrition Research with LTC (R) Steve DeLellis

Challenges in Military Nutrition Research with LTC (R) Steve DeLellis

Lieutenant Colonel (Retired) DeLellis leads research focused on traumatic brain injury, including managing the longest continually running TBI surveillance project in the Special Operations community and co-authoring more than 30 articles on TBI in SOF. But in this episode we aren't here to discuss the research he's had success in, we're here to discuss the research he hasn't been able to get off the ground. On numerous occasions he has tried and failed to initiate research projects on nutrition for soldiers, and we brought him on to talk about why that might be.


LTC (R) Delellis had a truly incredible career in the Army, with combat service in essentially every conflict the United States has participated in in the last four decades. He was on the ground in Operation Just Cause (Panama,) Operation Gothic Serpent (Mogadishu, Somalia), Operation Uphold Democracy (Haiti), Operation Deliberate Force (The Balkans), and eleven rotations in Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom.


He entered active duty as a Private in 1983 and went on to serve as an Infantryman, Team Leader, Squad Leader, and Battalion Assistant Operations Sergeant for the 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment at Hunter Army Airfield. From 1988 to 1998 LTC DeLellis served as a Team Member and Team Leader in the Army’s Special Missions Unit at Fort Bragg, NC.


Upon graduating from Physician Assistant School, LTC DeLellis served as the Battalion PA for 3rd Battalion, 325th Infantry, 82nd Airborne division, and the Battalion PA for 3rd Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group. From 2004 to 2014 he served as a Squadron PA, Family Medicine Clinic Supervisor, and Deputy Surgeon for the Army’s Special Missions Unit. LTC DeLellis served briefly as the Deputy Surgeon for the XVIII Airborne Corps before moving back to USASOC as the Chief of Medical Training and the Deputy Command Surgeon.


Today, DeLellis is the Executive Director of the Fort Bragg Research Institute, a program of The Geneva Foundation, where he continues his important work supporting the operational needs of the warfighter.


Learn more about the Fort Bragg Research Institute here


Learn more about the North Carolina Center for Optimizing Military Performance (NC-COMP) here



We discussed some DoD obesity data which can be found here



We also discussed comparisons in obesity rates between branches which can be found here

Jun 18, 202355:40
Building a Culture of Performance with COL Michael Kloepper

Building a Culture of Performance with COL Michael Kloepper

COL Michael Kloepper has spent effectively his entirely career as a paratrooper, and now as Commander of the 173rd Airborne Brigade he has implemented some really interesting policies around health, fitness, and wellness.

There's a good chance you've heard about his "Policy Letter #2 - Cohesion and the Pursuit of Excellence," commonly referred to as the incentives memo. This policy allows soldiers to earn time off for everything from graduating Ranger School to traveling around Europe to taking a picture at the Trail #173 sign in the Dolomites.

In this episode we talk about that memo (which was originally inspired by a Specialist in the brigade), as well as the 173rd's Tough in Spirit initiative, his efforts to improve the DFAC, and even - prepare yourselves - limiting alcohol sales on post.

And of course we talk about his approach to physical fitness.

COL Kloepper is a 1997 graduate of West Point, a 2015 graduate of UNC's Keenan-Flagler Business School, and a 2021 Distinguished Graduate of the Army War College. He is an Infantryman, Ranger, and Paratrooper whose assignments include Ranger Regiment, 173rd Airborne Brigade, and USASOC.

You can read the incentives memo here.

He also discussed many of these topics at the H2F Symposium, and you can view that presentation here.
Jun 11, 202301:00:42