Naoness: The Power of Connection
By Naoko x Naoko
Naoness: The Power of Connection Oct 21, 2021
Season 6 Ep. 52 Unpacking Meditation
Join us as we celebrate Naoko's birthday and delve into the profound benefits of meditation. In today's episode, we explore how meditation can transform your life, offering insights and techniques to enhance your well-being. Let's dive in and discover the power of mindfulness and inner peace. Happy Birthday Naoko!
Season 5 Ep. 51 Special Guest II Reality TV and Cyber Bullying
We welcome back Monica from Ep. 49 to talk a little about Japanese pop culture in the realm of reality TV. Ultimately, we talk about how cyberbullying knows no international boundaries and how we can build healthy habits around media literacy. We end on a happy note of Japanese Girl's Day celebrated on March 3 every year.
Season 5 Ep. 50: New Year 2024
We kick off our conversation by sharing our 'word for the year,' a concept inspired by a career coach. The idea is to think about one word that can keep us grounded, focused, and have a profound impact throughout the coming year, as opposed to setting up often intangible and unachievable hefty resolutions. We then delve into our thoughts on Course 1 of the UC Berkeley-based Othering & Belonging Institute.
Season 5 Ep. 49: Special Guest and First Ep. of the New Year!
Naoness is thrilled to host a special guest, Monica, in our first recording of 2024! We met Monica over 30 years ago, but didn't keep in touch per se until recently. It's extraordinary to revisit some time capsule moments, picking up right where we left off in junior high school. In this episode, we dive into Monica's journey—from her impactful work in social services at a mental health clinic to the unexpected joys of Japanese octopus jerky. Our focus is on the life and mind of Monica, who found herself thrust into a city metropolis for two crucial years during her adolescence. Tune-in for a captivating conversation that explores the myriad experiences that have shaped Monica's unique perspective on life.
Season 5 Ep. 48: 2023 Recap—A Year of Gratitude
This marks our final episode of the year! We want to extend our gratitude to the many listeners who discovered us for the first time, as well as those who continue to join our conversations. In this episode, we cover a wide range of topics, from the debate between gas and electric stoves to various holiday traditions. We also discuss our favorite books and highlight authors who are on our bucket list for early next year—especially AAPI community writers and activists. Offer Up
Thomas Keller's shortbread and chocolate chip cookie recipes
Othering & Belonging Institute (OBI) & OBI University courses (Fundamentals of Bridging and more)
The Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism for the Twenty-First Century by Grace Lee Boggs
We Do This 'Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transformative Justice by Mariame Kaba
What My Bones Know: A Memoir of Healing Complex Trauma by Stephanie Foo
When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times by Pema Chödrön
No Mud, No Lotus: The Art of Transforming Suffering by Thich Nhat Hanh
Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh
RENAISSANCE, a film by Beyoncé
Japanese Traditions: Joya no kane; Ozoni; Toshi koshi soba; Pajeon / Chijimi; Matsumaezuke; Oshiruko
Season 5 Ep. 47: Thanksgiving Gratitude
We remain focused on cultivating life intentions that foster environments of belonging. With a dedication to learning, we're excited to share our thoughts on a free online course provided by the Othering and Belonging Institute (OBI University). As fall comfort food and Thanksgiving approaches, we're thrilled to engage in an exciting discussion about Japanese curry too!
Season 5 Ep. 46: Special Guest Tim and Overarching Topic of Education
We're thrilled to welcome Tim, an educator in private and public high schools for decades in California and Japan. Naoko x Naoko are interested in the topic of education as parents and in our growth development. We discuss current events like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and how Tim teaches students to formulate unbiased opinions of the conflict as much as possible. We touch upon his unique role and involvement in the transformation of a local public high school to create a small learning community, and how it's become a model for creating a special learning environment. Finally, we talk about issues impacting today's HS students outside of academia. Tune-in to learn more!
Season 5 Ep. 45: Naoness Celebrates our 2nd Anniversary!
Naoness celebrates our 2nd Anniversary recording, which started as an idea incepted in 2020 by Naoko. A birthday request reciprocated, launches our first episode in September 2021. This is a love letter to our families as we cherish our 35 years of friendship with love, laughter, and gratitude. In this episode, we discuss a recent book we started together, "Build the Life You Want: The Art and Science of Getting Happier" by Arthur C. Brooks and Oprah Winfrey. Today, we also sprinkle in seasonal dishes inspired by global flavors: enchiladas and Japanese-style pork belly, anyone?
Bean & Bean NYC: Limited Gesha Box - Rachel + Jiyoon Han, the Mother Daughter Q Grader Duo™ (selected for Naoko by Naoko ;)
Driftaway Subscription Customizable Gift - Co-founded by Anu Menon & Suyog Mody (selected for Naoko by Naoko ;)
Additional coffee gift options with BIPOC founders/co-founders:
Coffee Project New York - Co-founded by Chi Sum Ngai and Kaleena Teoh, two AAPI women
Kahawa 1893 (now available @ Trader Joe's)
Mainstream recommended best-lists by Wirecutter & Strategist:
The Best Coffee Subscriptions (Wirecutter) - Atlas Coffee Club (not Atlanta—apologies!), Trade Coffee (learned about Bean & Bean through their site—thank you!)
The Very Best Coffee-Subscription Clubs (Strategist)
CBS Sunday Morning News - Hosted by Jane Pauley
Build the Life You Want: The Art and Science of Getting Happier by Arthur C. Brooks and Oprah Winfrey
From Strength to Strength: Finding Success, Happiness, and Deep Purpose in the Second Half of Life by Arthur C. Brooks
America's Test Kitchen Green Chile Chicken Enchiladas (used this recipe for the chicken only for an easier prep; we use mozzarella and cheddar cheese)
Las Palmas Green Chile Enchilada Sauce (available at Target or any supermarket used as the green Chile sauce above)
Restaurant Style Mexican Rice (we like to slight increase the tomato sauce and decrease the chicken broth; regardless, this recipe is a must-try & keeper!)
44: Fall and Organization
Fitting for the change of seasons from summer to fall, this episode is a meaty discussion about accepting the "organized chaos" in our lives. How do we discern next steps in our lives when so much is going on, how to find moments of clarity, and how to be present daily. Join us as we share quotes from Pema Chödrön, who inspired the title of our podcast, along with a few shared Buddhist and Christian teachings we use as a daily practice.
Bay Area Farmer's Market: 25th Avenue & College of San Mateo
CBS Sunday Morning & Today with Hoda & Jenna
Thich Nhat Hanh's lecture on suchness—reality as it is—when Hanh answers a practitioner's question about living up to the expectations for your gender
Quotes from "When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times" by Pema Chödrön:
Chapter 6: Not Causing Harm (page 32)
"It's a lifetime's journey to relate honestly to the immediacy of our experience and to respect ourselves enough not to judge it."
Chapter 7: Hopelessness and Death (page 41)
"This is where renunciation enters the picture—renunciation of the hope that our experience could be different, renunciation of the hope that we could be better."
Chapter 11: Nonaggression and the Four Maras (page 71)
"We are killing the moment by controlling our experience."
43: Summer Reflections and Death
Welcome to Naoness! This is our new recording after a 4-month hiatus of living. We catch up on the epic trips we made this summer, and briefly touch upon Barbie and Oppenheimer; while talking about death and how thinking about it can help us live better lives!
42: Birthday Milestone and Annual Reflection
From improvisation techniques to method acting, Naoko reflects on the past year after celebrating another birthday. How do we intentionally live every day so the past doesn't go by in a blur? We talk about community building, respect for teachers, and nurturers. The final question in this episode is "A year from now, what will you wish you had done today?" Listen to hear what Naoness has to say!
41: Spring New Beginnings
March Madness, weathering through Cali blackouts, cherry blossoms, and toxic work cultures. As always, Naoness spans many topics to maintain a healthy work-life balance. For every Naoness episode, we have consistently talked about belonging and inclusion; this is no exception. We end with Naoko's obsession with vanilla cream & cakes and pan out to fermented foods.
40: Naoness reviews therapy tools featured in Netflix documentary "Stutz" by Jonah Hill
We welcome back special guest, Sahira, from Episode 19 almost exactly a year ago, to share our reviews about her recommended film viewing of Jonah Hill's "Stutz." We love the simple visual model of therapy tools that Jonah extracts from his therapist, leading psychiatrist, Phil Stutz. Part love story of their relationship, part useful and practical tools to bring to your everyday - don't miss!
39: Honoring MLK with Letter from Birmingham Jail
We open our first New Year episode to share One word we'd like to focus on intentionally this year. Naoness also honors MLK day 2023 with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s open letter, "Letter from Birmingham Jail," written in August 1963, after he was imprisoned as a participant in a nonviolent demonstration. 69 years later, what have we learned from America's landscape, and as women of color, what is our part in living through the continued inequities in our society? We have the moral responsibility to take a "strong, persistent, and determined action" when injustices occur because "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." We always pause to talk about food and connections. Naoko celebrates her daughter's birthday and learn which family has a unique word for leftovers.
38: 2022 Reflections
Final recording for 2022! We have so much to celebrate with our 38th episode to date. Thank you to our listeners, the "Adventurers" that you are! Spotify shares with us that you like to venture out into the unknown, searching for fresher podcasts and gems yet to be found. Yaas! That's us—the hidden gem of Naoko x Naoko's 35-year friendship. We open up the chat with the Japanese culture of ohaka mairi and how Japan transitions from Christmas festivities to families coming together and eating soba or long buckwheat noodles for longevity on New Year's Eve. We pivot to ask ourselves, inspired by Brené Brown, "What is a piece of advice that’s either so good you need to share it or so shitty you need to warn people?” Truth is also hard to tell and we discuss what it means to bring our authentic selves to work. Happy New Year 2023!
The Morning: A happier new year (NY Times)
Adam Grant's post: "Quitting your job isn't being disloyal to your boss. Sometimes it's the only way to stay loyal to yourself. If work threatens your well-being, leaving is an act of self-preservation. If work violates your values, quitting is an expression of integrity."
C&C Music Factory, Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
Toshikoshi soba to celebrate New Year's, a Japanese tradition
More on the Japanese word chotto (ちょっと)
37: Autumn and Life's Seasons
Feeling the changing seasons—whether it's through the climate, our relationships, or our values. We share how a painful end to something important in our lives can be used to manifest finer-tuned values, purpose, and meaning, so we can be internally stronger to make the best decisions we can moving forward. What would we tell our younger selves about relationships? What would we say to our daughters as mothers? We always end on a note of comfort food—it's the season of soups that nurture our soul and bodies.
All About Love: New Visions by bell hooks discusses aspects of love in modern society with a critical lens and focus on justice
Chinese Soup Dumplings aka xiaolongbao (小笼包)
Enoki Mushrooms with Seven Japanese Spices by Kuze Fuku & Sons
36: Dreams we had as children and more
WARNING: We audio test a keychain with an alarm (130dB decibels) at minute 19 for 3 seconds for those who are sensitive to high decibel noise.
We start this episode with our love of lox and bagels, then pivot to staying alert with safety gadgets on the market. Naoness shares a recent journey of job searching, sharing pivotal moments in our life that led to our careers and dreams we had as children.
Somebody Feed Phil - New York episode - Peter Luger
Miso Cod (Black Cod with Miso) 銀だらの西京焼き by Just One Cookbook
The Best Personal Safety Devices, Apps, and Alarms
Decolonizing Wealth: Indigenous Wisdom to Heal Divides and Restore Balance by Edgar Villanueva
Stanford’s IDEAL initiative makes substantial progress toward goals
Stanford | Giving | Support inclusion, equity, and access for all
Why You Should Have (at Least) Two Careers by Kabir Sehgal
Mo (Series on Netflix)
35: Seasonal Change and the Emotions evoked through transitions
Crisp air, apples and pumpkins are more pronounced in WA state vs. Northern California and certainly Naoness is going through seasonal changes as Naoko embarks on a new job, and another kid is dropped off at college. Why is it an embarrassment to show our deep emotions in public and why is crying in public a sign of weakness? Join us as we explore these emotions and end on a note of hummus.
34: 1- Year ANNIVERSARY Episode
34 episodes, 1,000+ plays later, we are still here, recording organic conversations of COMMUNITY, FAMILY, HEALING, WORK, IDENTITY, CULTURE, and FOOD THOUGHTS. Thank you to our steady listeners who track each episode and Welcome, if this is the first episode that you're tuning and listening to. With gratitude, Naoko x Naoko
33: Season 3: Creative self-expression and Identity
A rare morning recording of Naoness begins with gratitude -women empowering women and inspiring each other. We expand on ALOK (from ep. 31 & 32) addressing in an ACLU podcast conversation that "creative self-expression is foundational to being alive and not some luxury." Naoko x Naoko aspire to continue to explore a culture of dissent - which is cultivating an environment where our community has the ability to have a thoughtful disagreement to find out what's true. Don't miss our rant on our complex relationship with our given name, NAOKO too! We finish our conversation with COMFORT FOOD when under the weather and Burmese Tea leaf salad?!
32: Season 3 Deeper Dive into Ep: 31 Profound Topics that Inspire Us
This episode of Naoness is had within the present moment of back-to-school for one Naoko and enjoying the remainder of summer for the other Naoko. Listen to the previous episode 31, as we delve deeper into profound topics that inspire us. We reference two of ALOK'S (an acclaimed gender non-conforming writer/poet, performer and speaker's podcasts: one from their conversation with ACLU | American Civil Liberties Union reimagining gender, and one from "The Man Enough" podcast on transforming and toxic masculinity. Listen to the podcast Renegades where Naoko wells up in tears when Naoko triggers the conversation and healing process between "ghosts and ancestors." Of course, we end on a lighter note of food: pizza and turkey burgers. Listen now for one of our most interesting topics as of yet.
31: Season 3 Profound Topics that Inspire Us
Welcome to Season 3 of Naoness. The more we explore themes of inclusion, belonging, and the human condition, we find ourselves naturally exploring what it means to be free from gender norms. This is just the tip of the iceberg of being inspired by ALOK, an acclaimed gender non-conforming writer/poet, performer, and speaker, who captured our attention with their take on the necessity of bringing compassion into our everyday lives. We also share being inspired by musician Bruce Springsteen and former President, Barack Obama's relatively new podcast Renegades: Born in the USA. Themes discussed include having continued hopes for the American Dream and how each of us is responsible to practice to have the uncomfortable dialogues and conversations to mend our divisive culture. We pivot to our continuous love of food and talk about a traditional British dish and an innovative, easy pizza using Naan bread.
Alok Vaid-Menon's 2022 Vision Award by Stonewall Foundation
Alok Vaid-Menon: The Urgent Need for Compassion (The Man Enough Podcast)
Powerful clip shared by Alok via IG: today is international non-binary peoples day. i love us more than the world could ever hate us. let’s continue to dream beyond all binaries ✨
A clip from Larry Wilmore's podcast Black On The Air with Baratunde Thurston and the Lasting Trauma of Sundown Towns (America Outdoors PBS)
Renegades: Born in the USA (Relationships with our Fathers & Masculinity; Fatherhood)
The Wake Up: Closing the Gap Between Good Intentions and Real Change by Michelle MiJung Kim: "Hope is a discipline." —Mariame Kaba (an organizer, educator and curator. My work focuses on ending violence, dismantling the prison industrial complex, transformative justice and supporting youth leadership development.)
Stonefire Naan pizza
Is Béchamel sauce the same as Alfredo sauce? No, Bechamel sauce is not as same as Alfredo sauce. While Béchamel sauce is a simple white sauce and uses only all-purpose flour, milk, and butter, Alfredo sauce is made using heavy cream, butter, garlic, fresh parsley, and parmesan or cream cheese.
30: Season wrap-up - Early Summer
We're wrapping up our 2nd Season mid-summer. Naoness never fails to connect the present to our AAPI community. The preciousness of time is another ever-present theme. What are your summer plans? We touch upon camping/glamping and always end on a delish food note. Are you familiar with Korean namul or Japanified Korean namuru? Listen to Naoko share the base of making namuru, her comfort food—a taste of home and belonging—and describe a poignant experience of connection to her mother and grandmother, to her roots and ancestral heritage beyond time and space.
When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times by Pema Chödrön
Joy Harjo Teaches Poetic Thinking Masterclass
Episode 25: Reacting to Netflix series Love is Blind Japan: Social Experiment
Episode 7: A Surprise Guest! for More Intergenerational Conversations
Shinzo Abe: Japan ex-leader assassinated while giving speech (BBC)
Shinzo Abe's assassination spotlights Unification Church links to Japan's politics (NPR)
HBO Max: Studio Ghibli (Kiki's Delivery Service; Pom Poko; My Neighbor Totoro; Spirited Away)
Seattle Bon Odori 2022 (2022 Virtual Seattle Bon Odori on YouTube)
Namul; Bibimbap; Spicy cucumber salad (oi-muchim!)
Sesame Oil: Is it good for you? What is it?
29: Recapping High school from fresh raw lens of HS Seniors '22!
We honor Memorial Day by remembering our US military men and women who served our country for our freedom, protected the common good, and brought relief to disaster-stricken areas of the world. We pivot to highlight two high school students graduating this year - 2022. Mia and Sam share how they met in 6th grade and how their lives converge from one who was born and raised in the same town, and one who grew up in multiple states. Join us for the most present trip down high school memory lane, especially from students' perspectives through the pandemic, coming out of it, and how they're embarking on their transition of heading to university in the fall.
28: Summer Naoness is here!
We are opening up with gratitude toward our loyal listeners—shout out to Naomi and Annette! Teasers for future episodes to explore one's identity as a high-school all-star athlete starting over in college, and an Invisible Man book club discussion invitation to Naoko's mother-in-law. Naoness aka Nowness—everything that comes to mind in the present—grapples with addiction, privilege, and post-pandemic job search. Thank you for your patience with the audio glitch!
Speaking of sunscreen, sharing EWG's Guide to Sunscreens
Check out Episode 19 Guest: Sahira Iqbal Blows Naoness Away~
May is AAPI Heritage Month & Mental Health Awareness Month
Unlocking Us with Brené Brown: Accessing Joy and Finding Connection in the Midst of Struggle with Karen Walrond (powerful prompts for reflection: How can I feel connected? How can I feel healthy? How can I feel purposeful?)
27: Can Violence and Love Coexist?
We explore just the precipice of whether violence and love can coexist. Listen more to hear our thoughts and encouragement to explore beloved author, bell hooks's, "All About Love: New Visions," which discusses aspects of love in modern society. We also recommend Ly Tran's memoir, "House of Sticks," that recounts her journey from war-torn Vietnam to Queens, NYC, and the power we have to alter and fight against the odds for a greater opportunity. We shift our conversation to a lighter note on Netflix's, "The Adam Project," that explores the frailty of time and the dynamic between our current self in relation to our kid self.
NPR'S Book of the Day: Remembering bell hooks and 'All About Love'
Books by bell hooks: Teaching to Transgress: Education as the Practice of Freedom, Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center, Feminism is for Everybody, All About Love: New Visions
Brittney Cooper's TED Talk: The racial politics of time
Reach and Teach in San Mateo
Crying in H Mart by Michelle Zauner
Jane Fonda's quote from Netflix's Feminists What Were They Thinking? "Most girls, we're feisty when we're young before puberty sets in. And it's when the specter of womanhood begins to loom on the horizon, you have to stuff anger...you know, you have to be a good girl. Well, all your life, people are saying, "Be a good girl." Well, that implies that you're not naturally good."
Netflix's Yes Day
Year of Yes: How to Dance It Out, Stand In the Sun and Be Your Own Person (book) and My year of saying yes to everything (TED Talk) by Shonda Rimes
Steak Marsala recipe served with mashed potatoes
Rachel Ray's Short Ribs with Pasta e Fagioli
26: Birthday Wishes to Naoko and Reflections on hitting the mid-40 mark
Naoko celebrates her birthday week! We share reflections on the beauty of our mid-40s and what is more to learn. Some analytics to share on which conversations have resonated with listeners and how we can further interact with our listeners. Happy Spring!
The Wake Up: Closing the Gap Between Good Intentions and Real Change by Michelle MiJung Kim
The Wake Up Fireside Chat with Michelle MiJung Kim and Lily Zheng
Tokyo Yuzu candle (blood orange and yuzu) by Cellar Door Candles
Scones recipe by Thomas Keller's Bouchon Bakery
Chocolate Mint Trufflettes recipe by Jacques Pépin (mint is optional)
Drive My Car Directed by Ryusuke Hamaguchi
CODA (child of deaf adults) Directed by Siân Heder
House of Sticks: A Memoir by Ly Tran
Time Is a Mother by Ocean Vuong
PBS NewsHour: Ocean Vuong's Brief But Spectacular Take on grief and language
PBS NewsHour: Vietnamese American poet contemplates his ties to the war
Brené Brown: Atlas of the Heart on HBO Max
Old Enough! (Hajimete no Otsukai) on Netflix
On Japan’s Adorable ‘Old Enough!’ Show and the State of American Childhoods
Asian Pacific American Leadership Institute (APALI) Civic Leadership Program
What Is the Model Minority Myth?
NPR Code Switch: 'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks
Steak Marsala recipe served with mashed potatoes
25: Reacting to Netflix series Love is Blind JAPAN: Social Experiment
The majority of the conversation is sharing our synopsis and reaction to the Netflix series "Love Is Blind Japan." Naoko x Naoko (one of us was born and raised there) pretty much grew up in Tokyo, then left for college in the US but still identify as culturally Japanese in many ways. We share our impressions of the series after a recent binge-watch. More than the premise of the creator, Chris Coelen's, social experiment designed to answer two major questions: Can love conquer all? And can people fall in love without ever seeing one another? Naoness explores the nuances of the Japanese language and the contestants on their approach, stories, and perspective on love, where marriage-minded singles in Japan meet, date and get engaged before ever setting eyes on each other.
"Our capacity to make peace with another person and with the world depends very much on our capacity to make peace with ourselves." —Thich Nhat Hanh
Feminists: What Were They Thinking Revisiting 1970s photos of women that captured a feminist awakening, this film explores those women's lives and examines the continued need for change.
Turning Red Directed by Domee Shi, the first woman filmmaker* with sole directing credit on a Pixar feature (*correction from Naoko's statement of first female Asian American solo directing credit).
With ‘Turning Red,’ a Big Red Panda Helps Break a Glass Ceiling
24: Deep dive into Invisible Man and Hinamatsuri Festivities
Did you know that Girl's Day is celebrated in Japan on March 3rd every year? We'll take a celebration of girls any day, every day. We also follow up and take a deep dive into why Ralph Ellison's, "Invisible Man" resonated with us when we read the book as required reading in high school and how the masterpiece is still relevant, poignant & a must-read to all who are trying to understand how to navigate life's intricacies and "absurd diversity" while seeking the truth in themselves.
23. Bonus: Life's Messiness and Masking Sense in Conversation
A spontaneous conversation (aka our minds and thoughts are all over the place):
- Having multi-racial children and the navigation of nurturing them through life
- Recognizing parallel similarities of systemic racism in the US and Japan, two different nations and cultures.
- We're not looking away from reality because it hurts. Advocating for diversity, equity and inclusion is HARD WORK.
References:
Masterclass BLACK History Freedom & Love Season 2 Ep. 2 Know the Black Intellectual Tradition
“We all have blind spots. We all have a lens through which we view the world that has no monopoly on truth, or beauty, or goodness. So as a revolutionary Christian, I don’t believe revolutionary Christians have a monopoly on the way the world is. We miss out on some things. I can’t conceive of myself without Malcolm X, a revolutionary Muslim....The variety of voices all around the country and the world have to be taken seriously, especially when you know that you are fallible. You are finite. And you are fallen. And therefore, you got something to learn. So I can read as widely as I can. I can learn and listen to my Indigenous brothers and sisters, many of whom when they hear the word “Christianity,” they look for a weapon because Christianity subordinated them, abused them, mistreated them, was a rationalization of genocidal attacks on them. And I understand that even as a Christian, you see? And you could imagine the variety of the other voices. Sister Bell Hooks, what a towering figure she is. She’s Buddhist now. I got to listen to the Buddhist traditions including Bell Hooks, including Charles Johnson, …I think all of us want to recognize that we have got something to learn from other people who disagree with us. It’s not just a matter of ‘I got a conservative friend. I got a non-Christian, or a non-Islam, or an atheistic partner. No. They got something to say. They’ve got something to teach us. And yet, in the end, you’re going to have to take your stand in terms of which traditions and which aspects of those traditions you’re going to try to live out. And so I always had to be honest in terms of what is inside my heart, mind, soul, and my own skin. ‘Brother West, where do you stand in terms of the various traditions that you’re a part of?’ Well, it is to be a Jesus-loving free Black man who learns and listens from others who tries to write, bear witness, sacrifice, got to jail, willing to die, put on cemetery clothes every day, coffin ready, but still got a smile on my face, and still trying to preserve the style that I got from Irene and Clifton, and Cynthia, and Cheryl, and Shiloh Baptist Church, and Reverend Willie P. Cook and Deacon Hinton and Sarah Ray.” -Cornel West
22: Guest Paola Kim and DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) Stories in the Workplace
Content warning: This episode explores systemic racism and sexism.
Paola Kim identifies as a Latina-Asian American woman, who grew up in Santa Monica. She shares a touch of her rich cultural background having a Korean American father born in Japan and a Colombian mother, who actually dreamed that she would marry and have a Japanese husband someday. Paola shares in this episode how she painfully learned through experience the Japanese culture of collectivism and 'saving face' as an international exchange student in Tokyo. Fast forward, Paola meets Naoko at their former employer, a renowned philanthropic, non-profit organization. They both share experiences of dehumanization, particularly after raising issues related to diversity, equity and inclusion (i.e. gender pay gaps). These stories are shared by ordinary people living their truth and their lived experiences, so we can all learn from to move forward. In order to move beyond pointing fingers at the organization, we are inspired to believe in and connect with one's humanity with dignity and integrity in the midst of traumatizing experiences, and feel empowered in our action and choice to take a stand with, "No more." Reclaiming our voices and stories to build community and intersectional solidarity rooted in humility, curiosity, and open-mindedness will be necessary and critical to forge ahead to fight against structural barriers like systemic racism, and fight for justice, equity, belonging, and love, one narrative at a time.
Inside the Diversity-Equity-and-Inclusion Industrial Complex | Doing the Work at Work What are companies desperate for diversity consultants actually buying?
An Open Letter to Philanthropy, from People of Color-led, Movement-Accountable Public Foundations
MasterClass: Black History, Black Freedom, and Black Love Streaming for free on Amazon Prime during Black History Month
Of all groups of color, Asian American and Pacific Islander communities receive less than 0.2% of foundation giving and less than 1% of corporate philanthropy. AAPIP (from The Asian American Foundation)
21. Speaking Truth: We're feisty feminists in our 40s and unpacking this a little today.
Today's episode is inspired by writer and professor Roxanne Gay, who has unapologetically coined the term A Bad Feminist. Her TED talk, "Confessions of a Bad Feminist" is a must-watch where she has an empathetic vision of identity and its flaws. Then we touch upon a poignant film titled, "Feminists: What Were They Thinking?" a documentary that spans women photographed by Cynthia MacAdams in the 70s to where they are and what perspectives they share today, looking back in time.
20. Happy Lunar New Year! 20th Episode on Culture and Community
Happy Lunar New Year! We're celebrating our 20th episode with endless conversation about culture and community. This spans from the meaning of Lunar New Year, fast food (In N Out, McDonald's and Japanese burger chain MOS Burger anyone?) , to of course, Diversity, Equity & Inclusion. Naoko introduces Naoko to American writer and activist, James Baldwin, where his complex narrative centered around America's civil rights movement is beautifully directed by Haitian director Raoul Peck's documentary "I am Not Your Negro." Compelling, poignant and poetic, themes of race and class intertwine and should be on the watch list of all. We also revel in the works of powerful women of Viola Davis and Stacey Abrams, each of who is changing history by being present, being uniquely 'them' and impacting their respective roles in film and politics.
19. Guest: Sahira Iqbal Blows Naoness Away~
Join us for one of our RICHEST conversations as of yet. Naoko surprises Naoko with a guest, Sahira, to add to our power of connection. We touch upon the death of a loved one, memories that go back more than 40 years ago to Kindergarten, the origin narrative of Islam, Christianity & Judaism and mostly on the pain of being excluded and the beauty of belonging.
18. COVID Hits Home and Reveling in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. take on Now
Finally, the Omicron variant (we think it's this one because the symptoms were mild) hits home with Naoko's pre-schooler. The 0-5 years age bracket is still not approved for vaccinations. Our message is to get VAXED to protect the vulnerable and keep the virus from spreading. Yesterday was MLK day, an American federal holiday, honoring the birthday of Martin Luther King Jr. We share how Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech still resonates a little shy of 60 years later. Transcript of his full speech here: https://www.npr.org/2010/01/18/122701268/i-have-a-dream-speech-in-its-entirety
We also celebrate Naoko's daughter's birthday hitting a milestone of 11. "Be kind to yourself moms and be present." is our motherly message to those who are mothering or parenting today. *Note there are a couple disruptions, aka voice of toddler :) to represent our NOW
How do we overcome 'not being good enough?' We don't necessarily have clear answers, and here is our conversation.
17. Season 2 New Year 2022!
Welcome to Naoness. We (Naoko x Naoko) are excited to begin Season 2 after launching this past September 2021 with one vision and one bucket list to create a podcast. A vision to have a heartfelt conversation with a dear trusted friend on everything and anything. We found reasons why we still are friends after 30+ years. Our quarterly check-ins on the phone until last September have now/NAO been replaced by weekly check-ins or intentional conversation and connection on sharing what's on our mind. From being a part of the AAPI community, the founding of our continuously growing self, it is never too late to be curious and learn about ourselves, different cultures and what it means to be American. This season, we are actively searching for guests on our show, the more the merrier for vibrant conversation. Love and light, Naoko x Naoko
16. Happy New Year 2022 and closing out 2021!
Naoness launched this past September 2021. We are grateful to have gained listeners organically and hope to continue this conversation of cherishing the present while practicing love, kindness and patience. Some things we learned are:
- Accepting that light & darkness coexist.
- How to stay resilient & hopeful when things fall apart.
- Friendship is a big part of self-care and healing.
Thank you for discovering and embracing us. Onward to 2022. Peace and Love.
15. 81-year old mom joins us for a post Christmas, pre New Years Day season!
Blessings for Naoko Tsunoda's 81-year old mom joining us for a post Christmas, pre New Years Day episode. Mostly in English, some parts in Japanese. Mom likes to move towards the future and have goals. She was honestly surprised we brought up some stories to share from her 36 years ago past!! Life is so frail and time is the one thing we cannot stop, we learn about how Masako finds pottery as her artistic medium in her late 30s that she continues all throughout her life, while balancing wifedom, motherhood and more.
14. Special Guests! Intergenerational trauma, vulnerability & healing
Content warning: This episode explores childhood and intergenerational trauma.
Naoness is blessed to share this week's conversation with younger voices, specifically young adults in college. We each are honest and raw about sharing our childhood traumas and our process of healing. Naoness is a place of continued compassion for one another across race, gender and age.
Definition: Trauma is the lasting emotional response that often results from living through a distressing event. Experiencing a traumatic event can harm a person's sense of safety, sense of self, and ability to regulate emotions and navigate relationships. Long after the traumatic event occurs, people with trauma can often feel shame helplessness, powerlessness and intense fear.
13. Winter Comfort Food
Naoness takes a lot of time talking about ojiya, okayu, aka rice porridge, congee, etc. There is so much Asian cultural heritage in the depths of comfort food we eat when we're sick and looking for a nourishing and nutritious meal that soothes our ailed bodies. We touch upon distinctive Asian condiments like kimchi and umeboshi as well as tea-infused hot pot and soup bowls. Then, if you're seeking for special retreats, check out the Historic House & Gardens that Naoko recently visited with her MIL. https://filoli.org/ Happy Holidays Everyone!
12. The Frailty of Time and enjoying the Present
This week, Naoness, talks about the ever-frailty of life and time, which makes the Nao/Now ever more important. As always, we touch upon a span of topics from light & darkness, follow-up to student protests to more than we imagined (but not surprising) talk about Holiday cookies and our nostalgic childhood experiences in Tokyo.
11. Thanksgiving Gratefulness & Reality of Inequities in Schools
Content warning: This episode explores the history of Thanksgiving and a student-led protest demanding accountability on how the school responds to reports of sexual assault.
Naoness would like to honor and center Native & Indigenous People's communities and their stories to disrupt the Thanksgiving Tale and myth of mainstream American narrative of the Thanksgiving holiday with Truthsgiving—we acknowledge and honor the traditional territories of the Ramaytush and Coast Talish peoples we reside, respectively. "Native Americans have gathered annually on Thanksgiving Day since 1970 to commemorate a National Day of Mourning. The day is a time to remember and reflect on the genocide and mistreatment of millions of Native Americans, to honor ancestors, to recognize the ongoing struggles of Native Americans, and to come together as a people" (from National Geographic link below). This erasure must be recognized for a more honest and equitable understanding of our collective American history to stand united. We choose to rejoice and focus on our shared values of truth, family, generosity, and gratitude.
We pivot in the moment of Naoness, Naoko talks about the peaceful student-led protest demanding administrators to do a better job of providing support to sexual assault survivors. The school officials called the police and put the school in lockdown during this rally on November 19. We see these power dynamics and systemic inequities exposed to the surface, resulting in the continued harm of the underrepresented when institutions react first and foremost to control and maintain power over the students. We strongly believe an academic institution's core mission is to serve and protect its students; thus, their core value must be centered on the students' physical and psychological safety for their learning and well-being. We do not have answers but we are to help support and fight for a more equitable environment for our children. The conversation starts now.
Truthsgiving: The Truth Will Not be Whitewashed - Resources
What is Thanksgiving to Indigenous people? 'A day of mourning'
Recognizing Native American Perspectives: Thanksgiving and the National Day of Mourning
Thanksgiving Promotes Whitewashed History, So I Organized Truthsgiving Instead
Students walk out of class, protest school leaders in Bellevue
Student Voices: Racism in the Bellevue School District has thrived for too long
10. Destigmatizing the Conversation on Mental Health
Content warning: This episode explores mental health and the stigma associated with mental health issues in the AAPI community.
According to the World Health Organization, health is "a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease and infirmity." Naoness supports this definition with the emphasis that mind, body, spirt & soul requires a holistic approach to health and wellness. COVID-19 pandemic has exacerbated mental health. Mental health conditions do not discriminate based on gender, race, or belief systems. There are systemic barriers and inequities in access to mental health care and quality treatment in varying degrees based on the cultural norms for our global listeners. We share our personal stories of seeking help to encourage our listeners to start having healthy conversations and fight against the stigma associated with mental health issues, especially in our AAPI community with the lowest help-seeking rate of any racial/ethnic group in the United States. We are in this together!
National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) HelpLine: 1-800-950-NAMI (6264); Identity & Cultural Dimensions for Asian American and Pacific Islander
Mental Health America: Asian American/Pacific Islander Communities And Mental Health
The Gift: 12 Lessons to Save Your Life by Edith Eger
How Will You Measure Your Life? by Clayton M. Christensen
Logic - 1-800-273-8255 ft. Alessia Cara, Khalid (official video)
9. Mindful Parenting & Blended Families
We don't have to be the first ones to tell you that parenting is one of the most difficult jobs. Naoko shares her recent parenting mishap, while being aware of guilt and shame's storylines. As a parent, identifying reactive behaviors in the moment and understanding our triggers is a lifetime journey. We explore tools that are available to us to disrupt our engraved patterns: to be present and mindful, returning to the breath, or nowness—a recurring theme and practice grounded in Naoness! We then touch upon how we define 'success' in blended families. Of course, we always end on deliciousness. The cold, wet season, at least in the Pacific Northwest, makes us yearn for warm, braised meat dishes like Japanese 'buta no kakuni.' After the mention of a Crockpot, Naoko is inspired to make corned beef and cabbage, slow-cooked for 10 hours after our recording.
8. The Proliferation of Public Shaming through Media
We tackle the rise of public shaming through media, cyber bullying, and social media. Remember Monica Lewinsky? Well, step aside as she re-enters the public sphere to take back the power to tell her story, raising awareness of public shaming and cancel culture. What happens when you turn your mistake into your power for good? Naoko shares from Oprah's latest book, What Happened to You?: Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing: “[What] happened to you was also happening for you. What happened to you can be your power.” And Brené Brown’s incredible research on vulnerability, shame, and courage. We only scratch the surface on the urgency for nuanced conversations, especially when it comes to talking about hard topics. Naoness believes in opening a conversation as the first step, an antidote to shame. Join us as we explore this rocky terrain with gentleness. And we end this episode with an open question for our listeners: In your part of the world, how do people use, or deal with, shame?
Podcast Offline: Monica Lewinsky on the Internet's Culture of Humiliation
Monica Lewinsky's 2015 TED Talk: The Price of Shame
2014 Vanity Fair Article: Shame and Survival by Monica Lewinsky
2018 Vanity Fair Article: Emerging from "The House of Gaslight" in the Age of #MeToo by Monica Lewinsky
Documentary: 15 Minutes of Shame (now streaming on HBO Max)
7. A Surprise Guest! for More Intergenerational Conversations
We have our first surprise guest to Naoness. Listen to hear who, adding a layer of preciousness to intergenerational, impromptu conversations—an unexpected turn to explore a complex topic, religion. Naoko x Naoko also reveal their self-compassion test results—cultivating a practice of self-compassion will be a lifelong journey. We end on a savory note of a Japanese steamed egg dish called chawanmushi 茶碗蒸し。
For chawanmushi 茶碗蒸し recipe, visit our website.
Kristen Neff's Test how self-compassionate you are
6. Mother-Daughter Memories Continued
What triggers your worst reactive moments in relationships? Relationships with ones you love the most? Naoko shares that when our fears are activated and our bodies feel threatened or dysregulated, our logical part of the brain (the cortex) shuts down and taken over by our more reactive parts of the brain (the brainstem). Often times, we find that our reactions are more about ourselves than whom we're addressing. The lessons for us: learn, then let go—a practice to strengthen our compassionate, unapologetic selves. On a lighter note, what is foods we cannot live without? Join us to hear some interesting answers.
Naoko's sharing is drawn from these two recent reads:
"The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma" by Bessel Van Der Kolk, MD
"What Happened To You? Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing" by Bruce. D. Perry, MD, PhD, and Oprah Winfrey (watch Dr. Bruce Perry and Oprah Winfrey in Conversation discuss the book, here)
5. Intergenerational Mother-Daughter Moments
We're both surprised by how chewing gum (of all things!) triggers wonderful childhood memories with our Moms—lessons learned not to steal! Enduring mother-daughter bonds. And nurturing our children's appreciation for good food and flavors.
4. Practical Tools to Practice Compassion & Comforting Soup Ideas
Naoko x Naoko banter about the stark differences in our morning routines. Clear that clogged inbox or meditate? Learn the practicality of guided meditation as Naoko S. shares a few tools for self-care and compassion. We touch on the still very real COVID reality, especially for parents like us who have young children without access to vaccinations. We end on the hearty note of comforting soup ideas—Ramen or Cauliflower Soup anyone?
Pema Chödrön How To Meditate (Audio); Making Friends with Your Mind/The Key to Contentment (Audiobook); Articles on Lion's Roar
Thich Nhat Hahn "Darling, I am here for you"—The Four Mantras of True Presence; Practice Resources in a Time of Uncertainty
Jon Kabat-Zinn Mindfulness (Video)
Kristin Neff Self-Compassion Guided Practices and Exercises
3. "If only we're brave enough to be it." —Amanda Gorman
Naoness is wowed by Amanda Gorman. Her vision of a rebuilt America without division is hopeful and energizing. Amanda's creative medium is poetry as is Naoko's. Listen to Naoko surprise us with a poem she wrote a decade ago that still resonates unapologetically.
"For there is always light, if only we’re brave enough to see it. If only we’re brave enough to be it." Let us be it!
Watch: Amanda Gorman reads her inauguration poem, "The Hill We Climb"
Read: Amanda Gorman's inauguration poem, "The Hill We Climb"