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National Polygamy Advocate

National Polygamy Advocate

By Mark Henkel
Mark Henkel is the National Polygamy Advocate ™, presenting polygamy to the public for over 25 years to show why your own values compel you to repeal all Big Government Marriage Control laws that anti-Constitutionally ban UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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In consideration for his participation in all media interviews, all such interviews were conducted under the irrevocable terms and conditions that Mark Henkel retained and retains full and complete rights to broadcast elsewhere any of such interviews on any media in which he participated.
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Columbia News Service post-interviewed Mark Henkel - Zehra Mamdani -4- Feb 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 4.  After interviewing Mark Henkel in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources.  Mark Henkel and the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults awere blind-sided: the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected.  This episode is the fourth part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections.  In this episode, Mark Henkel addressed the problem of the article elevating two topical non-authorities, all of which poses a threat to the movement of unrelated consenting adult polygamy (UCAP).  One of the ones so elevated had even been quoted using Mark Henkel's own unique style of terminology.  The writer replied that that shows that the gentleman "reads your stuff" and TruthBearer.org. The problem, Mark Henkel explained, is "that he's being elevated when he's irrelevant."  Bringing this Part4 of the podcast to a close, Mark Henkel concluded, "I have no problem with him being quiet.  But I have a problem when he is being elevated - because of the threat he poses to our movement, as the anti-polygamists use him as a poster boy to say that 'force polgamy' is (supposedly) what we're about."  Mark Henkel has always made it emphatically clear that that is not what the movement has ever been about. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
12:57
June 22, 2022
Columbia News Service post-interviewed Mark Henkel - Zehra Mamdani -3- Feb 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 3. After interviewing in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the third part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. In this episode, Mark Henkel even provided contrast that he had recently undertaken a positive project for a major television news magazine show, about which he would not yet name drop at that time (until after it aired); it was the show, "John Stossel Special on 20/20," which aired on ABC in July 18, 2008. As for her own article, the writer was self-convinced that she thought that supposedly "neutral" readers would not see what she had written as negative. Mark Henkel explained how too many of the manufactured news corporations "won't cut us any slack." The writer exclaimed with seemingly-sounded surprise, "You don't think this article was cutting you slack? Oh man!" That assertion only revealed how much she did not understand. Mark Henkel explained how "we have to be abso-positively perfect. There is nothing that can said or mis-quoted because then it gets used as a justification for the next thing I've got to defend, it becomes the next issue." Mark Henkel then brought up (from the writer's article) "that horrendous sentence" that suggested that normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, supposedly "has a reputation for underage marriage and domestic violence." Concluding this Part 3 of the podcast, Mark Henkel vehemently declared against that untruth, "No such thing. We have no such reputation for that." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
08:58
June 15, 2022
Columbia News Service post-interviewed Mark Henkel - Zehra Mamdani -2- Feb 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 2.  After interviewing in the previous month, Mark Henkel, the writer subsequently published an article, "Polygamists Hit the Web in Search of 'Sister Wives'" on February 19, 2008, that was also picked up by many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the second part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. The writer stated her opinion that she did not think neutral readers would find things negatively. Mark Henkel noted how anti-polygamists routinely look to twist things that he has said. He explained that it was important to correct for accuracy because (as he concluded this Part 2): "I know the attacks I get." This episode in the podcast provides Part 2 of that lengthy telephone post-interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
10:58
June 08, 2022
Columbia News Service post-interviewed Mark Henkel - Zehra Mamdani -1- Feb 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 1.  Earlier, in January, 2008, the writer had a media request for that article she wanted to write. The subsequent interviews seemed to go positively. Her article, "Polygamists Hit the Web in Search of 'Sister Wives'" was posted on February 19, 2008, and it was picked up by many other news sources.  Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected.  This episode is the first part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections.  Mark Henkel explained how the media routinely has lied about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and how that was why polygamists (and he) had to routinely be on the defensive against such untruths and misrepresentations. In this Part 1 of the longer post-interview, it had become clear that the writer's editor had purposely guided the writer to inject negativities in order to supposedly "create balance."  Mark Henkel noted how that would compare to how history would condemn a concept of some journalist in the 1960s interviewing Martin Luther King Jr. about good and positive inter-racial marriage and then adding parts to their article about anecdotally some African American criminal men abusing Caucasian women, and then calling it supposedly "adding balance."  This episode in the podcast provides Part 1 of that lengthy telephone post-interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
09:05
June 01, 2022
Oprah Winfrey Show interviewed Mark Henkel - Melinda Morrison -2- Mar 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Melinda Morrison, for the Oprah Winfrey Show, on March 21, 2008. This is Part 2 of 2 parts. The producer was making a "circus act request." Over the prior years, the Oprah Winfrey Show had aired a number of episodes about "the dark side of polygamy." Each time, Mark Henkel had routinely reached out professionally to the show to clarify that those spots were damaging to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.   The producer was insistent that their show was so great, even pretending the extreme exaggeration that they supposedly got "hundreds of thousands of letters" from fans thanking them.  No matter how sincerely Mark Henkel tried to help the producer understand, the producer refused to hear it; she began using passive aggressive tactics to suggest false accusations about Mark Henkel.  Mark Henkel kindly pled to be heard, "We are saying, and you can choose to deny it if you want, but we are saying that your particular show has done damage to us. But we would like to see an opportunity for a bridge to be built there.  My trying to express that to you, that you have done damage to our lives - as a show, maybe not you, personally.  As a show, you have done damage to the very safety of our lives. And we are trying to be able to rectify that. That is what we need to be able to help you understand; and, then we can go forward and families will be more willing to trust you. That's what I'm saying. There is a hurdle that you have self-created as a show, and we would like to be able to get past that."  Rather than be kindhearted and understanding about that, the producer held fast to the perceived gaslighting, next claiming that she did not think that their show "is the right fit for you guys."  Later, she even went so far as to pretend that she had to "keep calming" Mark Henkel down.  At that point, Mark Henkel calmly chuckled at the perceived gaslighting again and then he gently said, "I guess we are, unfortunately, near the end of this conversation."  Less than 2 weeks after this interview, law enforcement raided the convicted criminal Warren Jeffs' FLDS community in Texas on April 3, 2008, taking over 400 children away.  Mark Henkel had always opposed that criminal and expressed how much that normal UCAP families opposed Warren Jeffs and opposed the crimes he committed.  The leading news cycle for months afterward was consistently about falsely stereotyping the false message as if polygamy was supposedly represented by those criminals.  Hence, families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) were passionately relieved that nothing had been done or was even going to be done with the Oprah Winfrey Show because of this interview on March 21, 2008.  By this interview and the way in which Mark Henkel successfully addressed the perceived gaslighting, UCAP polygamists had successfully dodged a bullet. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
15:21
May 25, 2022
Oprah Winfrey Show interviewed Mark Henkel - Melinda Morrison -1- Mar 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Melinda Morrison, for the Oprah Winfrey Show, on March 21, 2008. This is Part 1 of 2 parts. The producer was making a "circus act request," wanting open cameras to be used on families in their own homes. Bypassing the media request ticket system, the producer had directly called a confidential number to Mark Henkel. When she was asked about it, her unwillingness to be open about how her company had received the telephone number led to a perception of her gaslighting from the start. The Oprah Winfrey Show had aired previous episodes about "the dark side of polygamy" and Mark Henkel had regularly reached out professionally to the show to clarify that those spots were damaging to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel tried to help the producer understand, but the producer instead chose to insist that their show had been positive, and then she began what was perceived as even more gaslighting. Rather than hear Mark Henkel out and thereby learn how her show could heal the damage to UCAP polygamists caused by Oprah Winfrey's past shows (in order to then work together), the producer instead chose to falsely accuse him of being an "angry person." Considering how the FBI raid of the FLDS occurred less than 2 weeks later in Texas on April 3, 2008, UCAP polygamists were passionately relieved that nothing had been done or was going to be done with the Oprah Winfrey Show because of this interview.  This Part 1 of 2 ends with Mark Henkel explaining how it is so dangerous for any meida to have portrayed and to then-still portray UCAP families as "the secret world of polygamy." What happened after that will be aired in the next episode of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
12:32
May 18, 2022
Jupiter Entertainment interviewed Mark Henkel - Grant Cross -2- Nov 2012
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (again) by Grant Cross, Development Producer for Jupiter Entertainment, on November 28, 2012. This was the second interview with this TV production company that produces series for networks, including TLC. In the first, more comprehensive interview two weeks earlier, the producer said that he would pitch Mark Henkel and the project. Mark Henkel thereafter kept trying to reach the producer for answer to that possibility. Once Mark Henkel reached him by telephone, the producer said that TLC had told his production company that they were aware of Mark Henkel, but that TLC was looking for someone who had specifically been a professional matchmaker for polygamists. TLC and his production company had concluded that there is no such person.  When Mark Henkel replied by mentioning the polygamy personals site, 2Wives.com, the producer said that he had to go make a skype call. He asked Mark Henkel to call back “in one hour.” Mark Henkel was never able to reach the producer again, and the project never proceeded further. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
04:27
May 11, 2022
Jupiter Entertainment interviewed Mark Henkel - Grant Cross -1- Nov 2012
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Grant Cross, Development Producer for Jupiter Entertainment, on November 15, 2012.  This was a TV production company that produces series for networks, including TLC.   The producer said that his company was excited and seeking to create a new reality TV series of a matchmaking show for polygamists.  The producer had seen the videos of Mark Henkel and realized that both Mark Henkel’s topical knowledge and animated presentation style could be a great fit as host for the show.  The producer also acknowledged that Mark Henkel’s unique contribution to such a show as both on-air host and topical consultant could acknowledge/compensate Mark Henkel with both a “Talent credit” as well as “Consulting Producer credit.”  The interview concluded with the producer ready to go pitch Mark Henkel and the project to his higher-ups and beyond.  What happened next?  That will be aired in the next episode of this podcast.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
25:23
May 04, 2022
The Idea Factory interviewed Mark Henkel - Colt Straub - Aug 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Colt Straub, a producer for The Idea Factory, on August 28, 2007.  The company was a TV production company that produces "docu-series." They had created a past series for TLC and had the current interest of Bravo network, Sundance network, and more, for this project. In the Summer of 2007, Mark Henkel was receiving too-numerous "circus act requests" by the media, with many being quite hostile. For this reason, Mark Henkel was strongly protective of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) families when this request was made. The producer presented himself positively and did try to make assurances that his company would be respectful toward the topic and would not be, as the producer called it, "exploitatious." Mark Henkel replied, "The question is whether it is going to be advantageous for us to do." Since there was never going to be any compensation to the families for risking their lives for participating in the show, Mark Henkel added that also, "It's pretty much whether we're willing to be your free cost of goods." The interview concluded as Mark Henkel said that he would "ask around" if any families in UCAP would be willing to do this project. Ultimately, as no families felt safe enough to do so, nothing else advanced further with this project.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
27:20
April 27, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 12 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 12) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 12, which is the final part, Mark Henkel explained how this "larger issue" of "Imposerism" also helps the cause of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.   This also includes some imprtant soundbites.  The co-panelist asked Mark Henkel, "Do you believe socialism is forced compassion?"  Mark Henkel replied, "No. I don't believe it's compassion at all."  The co-panelist said that he loved that reply, positively laughed, and exclaimed that it was the best response he'd ever heard for that question.  Mark Henkel went on to explain that he believes in the Individual - not the collective, not the majority, not the "borg" - saying that "socialism is a collectivism that crushes the Individual."  Pointing out that "We are NOT a Democracy," he added the powerful sound-bite, “If I don’t think 70%, 80%, or even 90% of other people are smart enough to make a decision for my life, I sure do not believe that 51% are smart enough either.”  He explained that his new term "Disimposerizing is a deeper level of kindness; and that deeper level of kindness is an even deeper level of love."  He continued to say, "If I can help people see through the lens of Disimposerizing" - whether from the political LEFT or from the RIGHT - not only will people see how not to Impose on others for other issues, but they will understand how not to impose on UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy too. The co-panelist later friendly-teased Mark Henkel, "Are you trying to Impose polygamy?"  The host interjected with a creative analogy of his own making, "No, it's an option.  If you only want one of two  cookies, you can still choose only one cookie."  But others can be free to choose more. Mark Henkel affirmed that host's excellent analogy.  The co-panelist re-iterated his interest in the "Imposerism" topic, and the host declared that he accepted both (saying, "I’m in for both") topics of liberty from Mark Henkel, both UCAP polygamy and the "larger issue" of self-removing one's "Imposerism."  Both the host and the co-panelist stated how much they were looking forward to Mark Henkel coming back on the show to discuss the latter “larger issue” of “Imposerism.”  This episode is the final part of this 3-hour interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
10:47
April 20, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 11 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 11) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 11, after Mark Henkel introduced his own "other topic" called, "Imposerism," the co-panelist exclaimed, “Wow! Wow! Wow. This is interesting.” The co-panelist then brought up the question about bringing political debates and voting down to the States’ levels; Mark Henkel referred to that as "State Statism."  They discussed the combination of the 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution.  Mark expressed those to be the most beautiful and most elegant parts of the Constitution that fully clarify the difference between Individual rights and government authority.  The co-panelist mentioned something he called the "Goshen Theory" in regard to abortion politics – to bring debates like that down to town-level differentiations.  Mark Henkel explained how, while "Disimposerizing" will not solve every issue such as this one, if both sides come to the table after having "Disimposerized," they will be more inclined to seriously seek to find a win-win solution.  Mark Henkel then showed how both sides would currently perceive the abortion/pre-natal infanticide issue being an Imposition – a “conflict of Imposition.”  Mark Henkel suggested that, by "Disimposerizing," we could realize that those who want abortion really just want "Baby no more;” so if our politics could find a scientific way to not have it be "Baby gets killed" to instead become "Baby gets re-located" (alive), then we could find a win-win solution in even that debate. Those who see it as pre-natal infanticide (that has been currently killing the baby) would be happy that babies would be no longer having their lives imposed upon by murder in their pre-natal lives.  Those who see it as a "my body / my choice" perspective would be happy that their own lives were not being imposed upon by bans of abortion that otherwise would force them to carry babies past their pre-natal lives.  The significant difference is that, by choosing to "Disimposerize," both sides would look for ways to not impose on the others, so that a win-win solution to our real and more difficult problems might be found.  The co-panelist exclaimed, "Huh! You really gave me something to think here tonight about Imposerism."   Mark Henkel used this as the preceding-setup for next explaining how this "larger issue" of "Imposerism" could also help the cause of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.   That summarizing explanation, as the final part of this 3-hour interview, will air in the next following episode of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
11:46
April 13, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 10 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 10) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 10, Mark Henkel introduced his own "other topic" that the host wanted Mark Henkel to also bring up, "Imposerism."  Segueing from the previous Bible discussion, Mark Henkel gave his opening soundbite, “The truth is that there is not one single example in the Bible – anywhere - of God ever needing the false god of big government to impose or enforce any of His doctrines. Government is not something we see God ever needing. I think God is capable of doing that which He will.”  From there, Mark Henkel taught the process of his new trademark line, “Imposition Creates Opposition™,” how authoritarians on the Left and authoritarians on the Right are actually working together as the “2 sides” of the same one coin of “Imposerism,” what that term means, and how both sides exploit the Imposerism within each of us to give us the “current era of Imposer vs. Imposer politics” in which an Imposer always gets elected, no matter which side wins. With each new Imposition from either side creating more and more Opposition, this is why “our society is getting angrier and angrier.”  Mark Henkel explained that the solution is for each of us to self-choose to remove our own Imposerism and to follow the “Reverse Double Negative Golden Rule.”  This episode ends with a co-panelist exclaiming, “Wow! Wow! Wow. This is interesting.”    More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
09:23
April 06, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 9 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 9) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 9, Mark Henkel was asked to introduce his own "other topic" that had connection to this issue and other topics.  A co-panelist named Kelly wanted to continue the discussion about the "one wife" verses. Mark Henkel explained that he would not listen to commentaries of the Bible any more than he would listen to commentaries about gun control and the 2nd Amendment.  Mark Henkel said that, for us to study the issue, we have to go back to the originalism for both, to read for ourselves what the words actually written do actually mean.  The co-panelist asked what impact that the ratio of men to women has on why we should have "one man one woman" for marriage.  Mark Henkel explained that the real question to ask is, “What is the ratio of men-who-want-to marry-women to the number of women-who-want-to marry-men?” Mark Henkel reiterated his soundbite about the current era of dumbed down males, with marriage-phobic "playa" baby-daddies and abandoned single moms. He pointed out that, as more same sex marriages have been recorded with men than with women. same sex marriage further reduces the number of men-who-want-to marry-women from that more relevant ratio.  The co-panelist began suggesting that chastity until marriage was the way for men to grow up and would heal marriages.  The host strongly disagreed, saying it would set people up for failure.  Mark Henkel noted how that would call for government to control the decisions of people, which he could not accept.  That became a good point at which to segue to the related "other topic" that the host wanted Mark Henkel to also bring up.  More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
14:49
March 30, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 8 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 8) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 8, Mark Henkel was asked about his political self-identification.  He replied with his soundbite about the current political environment: "Liberals are Liars; Conservatives are Liberals; and Libertarians are Lip Servers," referring to them as "Corpemocrats, Corpublicans, and Corporatarians" who do not recognize that "liberty and capitalism are for Individuals, not Big Government-born Corporations." One of the co-panelists named Kelly asked great questions about marriage doctrine in the Bible.   Mark Henkel provided numerous examples and citations from the Scriptures to prove how the Bible never banned polygamy or called it a sin.  In response to a theory to try to rationalize why there was polygamy in the Bible, Mark Henkel explained, "I think that's over-thinking it" and that "they just did it without thinking about it" precisely because it never was a sin anyway.  When describing the "MIA wife" (FIRST wife) verses of 1 Timothy 3:2, 3:12, and Titus 1:6, Mark Henkel explained that those three verses explicitly and only applied to "bishops, elders, and deacons" who were required to each be the husband of their "FIRST wife" according to the original language - not "ONE wife" as has been wrongly translated.  Referencing a song by the  famous TV show for children, "Sesame Street," that sang the lesson, "One of these things is not like the others, one of these just does not belong," Mark Henkel pointed out that calling "MIA wife" as "ONE wife" instead of as "FIRST wife" causes that prohibition to be unlike the other things that bishops, elders, and deacons were not supposed to do.  More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
18:41
March 23, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 7 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 7) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 7, the host asked Mark Henkel for what reason and for what benefit does government have from being involved in marriage.  Mark Henkel explained that it is Marriage Control, that is not about Marriage but about Control.  Mark Henkel used his renowned soundbites of "laissez faire marital economics," "marital marxism," and his "10 men and 10 women" metaphor.  Mark Henkel also shared his known soundbites about being in "the era of dumbed down males" and how the commonly repeated joke of stand-up comics is about "men being afraid of marriage."  A co-panelist asked Mark Henkel what he thought about the story of 2 Asian twins marrying the same man.  Mark Henkel explained that he had heard of that story, thinking that those are the twins on a new reality show on TLC, called "Extreme Sisters."  More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
17:08
March 16, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 6 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 6) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 6, the host brought Mark Henkel back on after the latter had been cut off while giving his previous answer. Mark Henkel briefly re-summarized the answer that he had been saying when not "on air." Mark Henkel explained how trans rights movement leap frogged over the polygamy rights movement. He further explained how that happened: authoritarianism has grown to even having people advocating against free speech. Mark Henkel shared how the beginning of what he called "Covid1984" had so occupied the news cycle of the year 2020; and he shared how that pro-polygamists were denied a "victory lap" in the media about a new Utah law that year that reduced the bigamy sentence from a felony to an infraction. Mark Henkel also explained how Christianity brought onto themselves the political hatred that Christians consequently suffer by those on whom Christianity previously imposed OMOW (One Man / One Woman). Mark Henkel explained how Christian leaders "have gone the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat" to mislead Christianity into the idolatry of worshipping big government as their false god, such as wiht "marriage control" – and, unfortunately, Christianity is subsequently reaping what it sowed. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
21:12
March 09, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 5 THE LOST PORTION - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 5 THE LOST PORTION), on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 5, the host opened the start of the second hour of the program, asking Mark Henkel to address legal victories and challenges. As heard in the previous episode of this podcast, just as Mark Henkel began to respond, he was unexpectedly disconnected from the show. The never-before-heard reply that Mark Henkel answered is here provided in this Part 5 THE LOST PORTION. Mark Henkel provided a comprehensive telling of the Brown v Buhman case (aka as the "Sister Wives" case) that went up to the Supreme Court of the United States. Mark Henkel also detailed the steps to the passage of a Utah State law in May, 2020, that reduced the charge of bigamy from a felony down to an infraction (like a parking ticket). Then Mark Henkel shared how the beginning of what he called "Covid1984" had so occupied the news cycle of the year 2020 that pro-polygamists were denied a "victory lap" in the media about that new Utah law. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
20:14
March 02, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 4 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 4), on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts.  In this Part 4, the host opened the start of the second hour of the program.  He asked Mark Henkel to address legal victories and challenges.  As Mark Henkel began to respond, he was unexpectedly disconnected from the show.  The host joked that that might have been due tom some fictitious person he labelled as "NSA Bob."  Mark Henkel did not immediately know that he had been disconnected, so he continued talking (although it was not heard live).  More parts of this interview - including what Mark Henkel actually did say when unwittingly disconnected - will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
04:24
February 23, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 3 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 3), on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts.  In this Part 3, the host began with his own question first, "What would you say about men who prey on weak-willed women?"  After Mark Henkel answered that question, the host asked questions posed from people who had previously messaged his show. First, someone had written the host to ask Mark Henkel, "I am interested in bringing polygamy up to my wife. How do I bring it up to her?" Next, someone had asked the host to ask, "I am in love with another woman and I am married.  ...Any advice?"  Mark Henkel provided deep answers, providing his renowned soundbites: "No one in the history of the universe has ever escaped from polygamy;" the metaphor of growth in learning mathematics; the Love-not-Force standard for Christian polygamy and all UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), with the lesson of "Let God bring your Isaac, don't force your Ishmael;" and relationship principles of intimacy, saying, "Before you bring it up, you need to do an inventory of yourself, your motivations, your emotions, and your husband skills." This Part 3 concludes with the soundbite, "You're really under a microscope when you're considering polygamy. All the women are watching you and you really have to care about all of them."  More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 16, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 2 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 2), with a roundtable of the show's additional co-panelists, on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts.  In this Part 2, the host asked about the hypocrisy that people will now accept "pansexual, homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, and other pronouns," yet people still react differently when the word "polygamy" is mentioned. Mark Henkel answers that question, providing important sound-bites alongside an explanation about "heuristics" and how people default to them to judge without even knowing any actual families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  Mark Henkel also shared a story of how two very different women could choose polygamy that works for them, how today's educated women would never let a chest-pounding guy get away with the false stereotype that people wrongly ascribe to polygamy, and the real-life example of how one former wife and children of a "monogamist wife beater" had become much better off when she left and later joined a loving family in UCAP polygamy who loved her and lovingly helped the children thrive. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 09, 2022
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Part 1 - Aug 2021
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr., with a round-table of the show's additional co-panelists, on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. This episode is Part 1 of the several parts to follow in this podcast. All parts of this show provide a comprehensive interview that covered so many different issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. In this Part 1, Mark Henkel provides many significant details: the Bible never created the OMOW ("one man, one woman") doctrine or anti-polygamy view; the origins of the new modern Christian Polygamy movement; how that catapulted him to the national stage as the National Polygamy Advocate; how Christians should be horrified to ever let government to define, license, or control marriage doctrine; and how the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate" can provide freedom for all sides of that debate. This is the interview with the repeated soundbite that Mark Henkel reminds, "When you ask for big government, you get big government." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 02, 2022
London TV Production Company interviewed Mark Henkel - Nov 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by a producer named, Livia, for a London TV Production Company, on November 15, 2009. The producer was seeking for what Mark Henkel termed as a media "circus act request," seeking to do a documentary to put on display a family in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The Producer conducted herself positively, friendly, and perhaps a little "schmoozy” in a good way. She came across as positively willing to fulfill various terms and conditions that Mark Henkel detailed. Ultimately, even as the project did not happen, this was still quite a positive interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 26, 2022
FOXNews Bill O'Reilly (Ron Mitchell) interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Ron Mitchell for the Bill O'Reilly Show on FOXNews television network, on September 14, 2006. In early September, the producer had made a media request. Mark Henkel attempted to call the producer 12 times, leaving a voicemail on the 2nd and 12th attempts. The producer finally called back. He asked the question backwards that, if UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) was "allowed" by government, would that not mean that same sex marriage would have to be allowed too.  Mark Henkel gave his famous soundbite, that the question to consider is not whether such things are "allowed" but that government is not allowed to "disallow" what unrelated consenting adults choose for relationships, that it's a "Freedom of Assembly" issue. Mark Henkel also gave his other famous soundbite of the "only role for government in marriage.” Mark Henkel explained the established "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate." The producer exclaimed "Interesting!" He said he could "do something with this" and that he found these arguments “all very consistent.” The two of them made plans for a follow-up call to make such arrangements. Over the following weeks, Mark Henkel made five more attempts to reach the producer, leaving a voicemail on the third one. Lastly, when an article appeared on the FOX News website that included Mark Henkel (unrelated to this interview with Ron Mitchell) on November 24, 2006, Mark Henkel made one last attempt to reach the producer on November 27, 2006. The Bill O'Reilly Show never got back to Mark Henkel. Instead, over the coming years, the host began pushing big government solutions to support marriage control and to routinely assert false scare-tactics about polygamy. The host knew full-well of Mark Henkel's true limited government solution. As Bill O'Reilly had subsequently become no "conservative" (even while pretending to be so on a "conservative" TV news network) especially in regard to the marriage control issue, O’Reilly instead did the very same things that he accused "the liberal media" of doing and of not reporting the whole truth. Mark Henkel was later known to have nicknamed the host, "LibbeReilly," from the perspective of polygamists - a play-on-words with the host's name to "out" the dishonest host as a fake "conservative."  By Bill O'Reilly's own standards of defining liberla media, he had become a modern "liberal" indeed. That all could have been prevented if the show had simply followed through with this interview that had excited the show's producer - if "LibbeReilly" had instead begun to report the whole truth, had stopped acting like the "liberal media" he pretended to oppose, and had stopped intentionally mispresenting polygamy from thereonafter. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 19, 2022
Alley Einstein independently interviewed Mark Henkel (UK) -2- Feb 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave his second of 2 interviews with Alley Einstein for "Big Pictures & Strong Features," on February 15, 2008. Writing a story about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the writer’s purpose for this second interview sought to make arrangements for conducting a conference call interview with a polygamous family and for making compensation to the TruthBearer.org organization for the story. The writer was an established independent writer for British magazines, including Fabulous, More, and Take a Break. (NOTE: “UIC” was also written on the physical audiocassette tape of the original copy of this interview. She was also known as "Alison Rose," being a TV journalist in Australia.) Listeners may hear that first interview in the previous podcast episode. Even so, the airing of this second interview becomes the 200th episode posted of the National Polygamy Advocate ™ PODCAST. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 12, 2022
Alley Einstein independently interviewed Mark Henkel (UK) -1- Feb 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave his first of 2 interviews with Alley Einstein for "Big Pictures & Strong Features," on February 13, 2008.  The writer was an established independent writer for British magazines, including Fabulous, More, and Take a Break. (NOTE: “UIC” was also written on the physical audiocassette tape of the original copy of this interview.  She was also known as "Alison Rose," being a TV journalist in Australia.) In addition to learning about what she called "mature polygamy," the writer was (successfully) contracting with Mark Henkel to organize a conference call with a family in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The agreement would limit the article to only the print edition - neither for the United States nor anything online. She also agreed to many required conditions, too.  The writer asked many excellent questions. Mark Henkel provided several excellent soundbites. When Mark Henkel used the term, “Multiple Monogamy,” the writer said “I like that phrase.” She also initiated her own comparison of how, when Prince Charles married Princess Diana, it was understood that "he would still keep his mistress." Mark Henkel affirmed how her comparison demonstrates the hypocrisy of those who support that concept but still oppose UCAP.  The writer even declared, “I am a supporter of polygamy.” The subsequent interview would solidify the arrangements for the writer’s conference call with one of the families from Mark Henkel’s organization.  Listeners may hear that second interview in the next subsequent podcast. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 05, 2022
CBC The Current - Gregor Craigie - to interview Mark Henkel - Feb 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was to be interviewed by Gregor Craigie for "The Current," a morning radio program on CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, on February 4, 2005.   Earlier that week, a new federal bill had been submitted to legalize same sex marriage in Canada.  (That bill would eventually pass later in Canada that year on July 20, 2005, as "The Civil Marriage Act.") The news cycle raised questions about whether the same rights would have to include UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The producer wanted to ask Mark Henkel questions to use on a show the following week. As Mark Henkel was recovering from having the flu, they agreed to do the interview the next week if the producer got approval.  When Mark Henkel had not heard back by the following Tuesday (February 8, 2005), he called the producer back. The seemingly eager and positive producer continued to want to do the story, but he had still not received approval from his editors.  Ultimately, neither the interview nor the story ever happened, and the producer was neither reached nor heard from again. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 29, 2021