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National Polygamy Advocate

National Polygamy Advocate

By Mark Henkel
Mark Henkel is the National Polygamy Advocate ™, presenting polygamy to the public for over 25 years to show why your own values compel you to repeal all Big Government Marriage Control laws that anti-Constitutionally ban UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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In consideration for his participation in all media interviews, all such interviews were conducted under the irrevocable terms and conditions that Mark Henkel retained and retains full and complete rights to broadcast elsewhere any of such interviews on any media in which he participated.
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Carlos Watson (pilot TV show) Amanda Erickson interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Carlos Watson (for a non-aired pilot TV show) by associate producer Amanda Erickson for Dawn Syndicated Productions, on May 22, 2008.  The producer sought to develop a pilot that would be presented to network executives to see if they would fund a new talk show to be hosted by former CNN personality, Carlos Watson. For this project, the producer made that which Mark Henkel politely identified as a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) - requesting to put a polygamous family "on display" to make a show about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The discussion remained genuinely positive throughout the interview. Mark Henkel provided some great soundbites, including some attention-grabbing "hype" that the producer quite agreed was possibly helpful. As positive as this interview was, no subsequent project ever occurred. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
28:33
June 23, 2021
STOSSEL FOX Business News John Stossel interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2010
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "STOSSEL" on FOX Business Network (FBN) hosted by John Stossel, on March 4, 2010.   The set-up featured John Stossel seated on the right, with Mark Henkel and Gretchen Carlson seated beside each on the left. Gretchen Carlson is the renowned TV personality and co-host (at the time) of her own separate television show, "FOX & Friends."  (Note: years later, Gretchen Carlson stopped working for FOX after successfully filing sexual harrassment accusations against that employer.) The show was taped in New York before a live audience on February 24, 2010, the week before it aired.  The entire episode was about modern-day "Prohibition" involving various segments such as drugs, prostitution, polygamy, and more. (Note: a decade later, many states had legalized marijuana.)  John Stossel's topical purpose of this show's particular episode was to demonstrate how making things illegal is what causes more crime - just as America had learned from the alcohol "Prohibition" in the 1920s.   At the very end of the show, John Stossel gace an eye-opening concluding-commentary to re-iterate the episode’s entire purpose, "I'd like to think that my body belongs to me."  Gretchen Carlson represented the "opposing polygamy" perspective, focusing mostly on making the "slippery slope" argument.   This "polygamy" segment also included two un-named polygamous wives, seated in the audience.  One of the wives gave an eloquent re-statement of Mark Henkel’s frequent soundbite that polygamists are not after legalization, only de-criminalization.  Back to the main stage, as Gretchen Carlson continued to attempt the "slippery slope" argument, Mark Henkel smilingly provided succinct, friendly, and powerful soundbites to overcome her attempted argument.  Indeed, having done his preparation-homework about Gretchen Carlson herself, he was able to bring the "polygamy" segment to a jokingly and laughingly positive conclusion: he created a new soundbite on-the-fly that repeats a line that Gretchen Carlson herself had been shown in other videos over the years as repeatedly saying.  Given the invite to have "he last word," she brought the "slippery slope" argument even way out to the silliness of "not-even humans.” John Stossel interjected to correct her that this segment was talking about adults. Mark Henkel then gave the new soundbite, applying Gretchen Carlson’s own known hands-to-temple gesture , asking, "Do we have to google the meaning of consenting adults?"  She good-naturedly laughed, gave a knowing-smile to Mark Henkel, knowing that she had been gently comedy-roasted by him.  She laughed,;John Stossel laughed; everyone laughed.  (Listeners may get more details about this humorous soundbite at this online , "Marry Non-Humans? Funny TV Sound-bite Flattens Slippery Slope.")  This interview was one of the most positive and friendly interviews that Mark Henkel had been fortunate to give. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
13:28
June 16, 2021
NPR Weekend America Alex Cohen interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "Weekend America" on NPR, National Public Radio, Reporter Alex Cohen, on February 27, 2006.  This hour-long interview occurred two weeks before the premiere of HBO’s fictional TV series, "Big Love." The reporter was looking to meet and spend time with a polygamous family.  She sought to tape record numerous interactions in order to "put a human face on polygamy."   Mark Henkel informed that, as friendly, positive, and polite as the reporter was in asking for this, the request was still close to what he calls a "circus act request."  With that understood, he and she continued to see how they might find a way to do something for her show – especially because this was for a radio program.  Knowing that the coming "Big Love" news cycle would generate massive publicity for months, the reporter was hoping to complete this project before that pending news cycle, with an intended airdate of March 11, 2006.  The accelerated timeline of this project prevented it from being achieved.  Nevertheless, this initial interview reveals the challenges posed for families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) in dealing with overall media that generally focuses more on seeking to put families on display rather than let the polygamy movement directly explain the issues affecting polygamists.  The reporter was professional, honest, and sympathetic toward polygamists regarding how bad other media can be, and she certainly conducted herself with compassion.  Hereby being archived for history, this important interview educates listeners of the hardships and issues of media "circus act requests" - whether by honest reporters as this individual one here or by more outright dishonest manufactured news corporations. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:05:08
June 9, 2021
CBS News 48 Hours Sarah Prior interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "48 Hours" on CBS News, Producer Sarah Prior, on May 19, 2008, preparing a pending episode that later aired on May 27, 2008. This occurred during the news cycle that followed the April 3rd FBI raid in Texas of the FLDS, the Mormon-based cult led by criminal Warren Jeffs. During that news cycle, the manufactured news outlets decidedly chose to focus on that one cult's criminal activities involving underage marriage, pretending and purporting that Jeffs' crimes are "what polygamy is about." No matter how many times that Mark Henkel appeared in media to condemn such things as not being representative of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, numerous outlets in the corporate press mostly refused to report the actual truth; making-up and purporting news was more applied than reporting facts and whole context. Mark Henkel even identified such outlets as the "child-s*x media" because of their craven obsession with the false misrepresentation. The content of this interview between the producer and Mark Henkel was, itself, excellent; the producer understood the importance and actuality of the education he provided to her; yet, the network still chose to ignore all that and to otherwise focus only on the criminals of the Mormon-based FLDS in its later segment titled,"Polygamy - World Apart."  This podcast episode ends with an attempted subsequent phonecall to the producer's voicemail box, as she never called back ever again. The FLDS and their leader Warren Jeffs were indeed involved in real crimes that were always, adamantly, and loudly opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. The startling difference from this interview and the resulting segment wholly demonstrates how disconnected from facts and disconnected from the real story that the manufactured news corporations really are in their manufacturing of "fake news"  - and it explains why Mark Henkel called such "reports" as "News Purports."  Nevertheless, now archived for history, the this interview contains many important and educational soundbites. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
25:57
June 2, 2021
National Geographic Television interviewed Mark Henkel - Aug 2003
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for National Geographic Television, by Associate Producer Dana Kemp, on August 24, 2003, preparing to pitch for a segment on a developing episode for a second season of one of their programs. Six weeks before this interview, the U.S. Supreme Court had decided the Lawrence v. Texas decision of June 26, 2003. This interview was a follow-up to the first interview that been conducted two weeks previously on July 24, 2003. (That first interview used to be available for sale before it was later made freely available on Episode 43 of this podcast. With this new episode, this second interview is released for the very first time.) This 64-minute interview centered around how the producer could best pitch the segment to the higher-ups at National Geographic Television channel.  She asked excellent questions, completely understood the importance of the standard of Love-not-Force, and was definitely sympathetic to the issues of persecution for Christian Polygamy and UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy). She even recognized how jealousy is a cultural, social indoctrination of expectation. Mark Henkel discussed how some of the families with the TruthBearer.org organization (he founded) could be willing to participate under some serious privacy protections.  Listeners will find this positively conducted interview to be quite educational. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:04:53
May 26, 2021
HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan (Ryan Smith fill-in) Mark Henkel - July 2011
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, with Ryan Smith as fill-in host, on Headline News TV network, on July 27, 2011.   After being on Vinnie Politan's show twice the week before (with that main host himself), Mark Henkel appeared again the then-next week with a different fill-on host. As opening arguments  in the FLDS' Warren Jeffs trial were set to begin within less than 24 hours of this segment’s broadcast, the fill-in host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show again to join a panel of another slate of three different guests.  (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years).  The segment focused on sensationalizing the so-called "lost boys" that the FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) reportedly would abandon. The anti-polygamists tried to allege that that cruelty to adolescent boys is supposedly “what happens in polygamy” because of the so-called "mathematics." This segment was extremely sensationalistic, as even the host, at one point, compared the situation to "terrorist organizations." Fortunately, the fill-in host did positively identify that Mark Henkel was not connected to the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, or any of the crimes. Mark Henkel then presented a vehemently strong response that normal, healthy, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) families around the country, not living in isolated sects, do not participate in underage marriage with girls and do not abandon boys as that horrendous idea of alleged “lost boys.” The third guest to speak was a professional anti-polygamist-for-profit who was so caught up in her propaganda to try to smear all polygamy that she did not even realize that she even undercut the statement of the second person who was not hostile to that anti-polygamist. Anyway, this segment reveals how the manufactured news corporations will sensationalize a story. It also demonstrates how necessary it is to have such an effective and strong positive polygamy advocate’s voice to be included in the segment discussion as well.
09:06
May 19, 2021
The 700 Club on CBN aired from interview of Mark Henkel - Aug 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel appeared on Pat Robertson's show, "The 700 Club," on the Christian Broadcasting Network, CBN, on August 16, 2005. For history archiving purposes, Mark Henkel's taped appearance on this specific segment helped "made history." Namely, for the first time in history, a renowned Christian organization (The 700 Club), as led by a worldwide-known Christian leader (Pat Robertson), had publicly acknowledged "Christian Polygamy" as "evangelical Christians" on TV and even said the exact words of "Christian Polygamy" and "Christian polygamists." The two words "Christian" and "Polygamy" were no longer a supposed "contradiction in terms." History had been made indeed. For this segment, Mark Henkel had been previously "interviewed on tape" by a professional woman named Kim Bonney. To hear her lengthy interview with Mark Henkel, listeners will want to hear Episode 99 of this podcast, posted February 5, 2020. The final segment that aired on August 16, 2006  (despite a number of times being "bumped" from previously scheduled dates to air) was instead reported by David Brody. The scope of this segment unfortunately intended to scare its major Christian audience with the notion that the then-growing efforts to legalize same sex marriage would supposedly result in legalized group marriage, polyamory, and polygamy too. The premise - and especially the early part of the segment - initially focused more on salacious notions pertaining to group marriage and polyamory in order to indeed "scare" the network's Christian audience. The report included statements from many then-big names such as Stanley Kurtz ("conservative" lecturer and pundit), Maggie Gallagher (president of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy), and David Frum (albeit famous among conservatives as a "faux conservative") - all to speak against such supposed "changes to marriage." Contrary to their opinions, the report also included statements from Elizabeth Emens (former University of Chicago Law School Professor), an unnamed then-President of the American Civil Liberties Union (claiming that the ACLU would "defend polygamy" – which never really happened as the ACLU ultimately remained silent regarding polygamy in the following decade to come), Robin Trask (editor for the polyamory magazine, Loving More), and of course, the one and only advocate for actual polygamy on the segment, Mark Henkel (Founder of the TruthBearer.org Organization for Christian Polygamy). As the concluding voice to make the final argument for polygamy, Mark Henkel was able to make a number of quick yet important soundbites in the segment, including his "circular argument of law and sin" soundbite. Most importantly, the reporter, in the end, genuinely treated the concept of Christian Polygamy itself separately yet surprisingly fairly. The reporter kindly and accurately introduced Mark Henkel with the following QUOTE that made history: "Polygamy has a range of defenders including some evangelical Christians. Mark Henkel is the founder of the Christian Polygamy organization, TruthBearer. Christian polygamists believe husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loves the churches." That introduction is repeated and looped a couple of times at the end of this podcast to demonstrate its profound history-making significance. Yes, with this segment, history had been made on August 16, 2005. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
08:55
May 12, 2021
HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel -2- July 2011
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, on Headline News TV network, on July 22, 2011. The second interview that week, the host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show again to join a panel of three other guests. They were there to discuss the next then-pending trial of Warren Jeffs set to begin on the following Monday. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). All the panelists agreed that Jeffs was a criminal for the underage rape charges, and Mark Henkel clarified that Jeffs was always opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. In this interview, Mark Henkel repeated the observation (from the day before) of how Warren Jeffs' court trial that Summer was being tried in "Tom Green County" of Texas - 10 years after Mark Henkel had previously been out in in the media speaking out against another underage criminal named, Tom Green. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
11:43
May 5, 2021
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner, for the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). **This is a MUST-HEAR Inteview***. On April 3, 2008, law enforcement raided the Eldorado Texas compound of the Mormon-based FLDS, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. For weeks, this raid was the ongoing "big story" for news organizations around the world. As most of those media outlets were routinely yet falsely labelling its leader, the criminal Warren Jeffs, as a supposed "polygamist leader," Mark Henkel had been working feverishly to clarify that Warren Jeffs was no such "polygamous leader" at all, to declare that Jeffs was loudly opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults, and to completely differentiate that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, has nothing to do with such cultic actions or crimes. The AP reporter had interviewed Mark Henkel several times over the previous years, and she was glad to conduct this interview as well. Giving numerous important soundbites, Mark Henkel also revealed how most of the media only manufacture news rather than report it.  He stated how he plans to write his memoirs for archving historyas an expose of how irresponsible and anti-truth that the "manufactured news outlets" really are and how they so abused the polygamy movement this way. After detailing the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, and after demonstrating how he is able to persuade Conservatives and Christians by using their own arguments (where Liberals cannot so persuade), Mark Henkel explained, "Liberals might not like hearing the arguments I make, but what I say to them is, BE QUIET! Or, one could be less polite and say, Shut Up! Stop arguing. Listen to this. The only way we're going to persuade Conservatives is with conservative arguments. So, BE QUIET. Let me explain it to them." The reporter interjected, "Liberals are not going to lose if they just keep their mouths shut." Mark Henkel replied, "Exactly!" That was just one of the numerous positive exchanges in this interview. As the reporter wrapped up the interview, she was clearly satisfied with the content she needed from it, saying, "This is all good stuff!" http://www.NationalPolyamyAdvocate.com
01:13:50
April 28, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila regarding breach with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel discussed the breach of agreement by and with Producer Aarne Heikkila and the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 22, 2006, three days after the show aired a report by Lester Holt, on March 19, 2006.   Prior to that broadcast, Mark Henkel and the producer had conducted extensive negotiation together as conditions for producing the segment.  (Three of those negotiation discussions have been previously posted to this podcast.)  The polygamous family from the TruthBearer.org organization (which Henkel founded) had only agreed to be interviewed for the show with specific conditions, one of which being that the report would not be “all about” them, but centered around Mark Henkel, his organization, and the overall movement for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  Mark Henkel had made these conditions mandatory due to the actions of another show, “Dateline,” on NBC-TV, that had previously mispresented polygamy horribly.  The resulting TODAY Show segment that aired on March 19, 2006, still made the report solely about the family.  That action was a direct and blatant breach of the agreement.  Only because it as true that the aired-segment did at least treat the family positively, Mark Henkel still willingly indicated that the way to begin to heal that breach and to begin to restore trust with NBC-TV would be for them to work together and to thereby do a second report as originally agreed.  The producer said that he needed a couple days to see what other options they could do.  Nothing else was ever again produced or aired.  After allowing 15 years to pass since this breach occurred, and because NBC-TV has made no correction, healing, or even effort over this period of 15 years, this discussion is now being made public for the archives of history (as directly authorized to Mark Henkel by the agreement for him to record and air any of such discussions). It also reveals why most of (what Mark Henkel calls) "circus act requests" made by other corporate media would later be denied, in terms of protecting families from this happening again.  This breach, therefore, established the precedent that any media claiming to be “seeking families” would have to first abide and follow Mark Henkel's terms and conditions.
16:40
April 21, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Lester Holt and Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, for a report by Lester Holt, on March 19, 2006. As per the many discussions beforehand, this report was supposed to be about Mark Henkel, his TruthBearer.org organization, and the national polygamy rights movement. In the end, NBC instead made the report "all about" a polygamous family. While that family was from Mark Henkel's organization, there was no mention in the report of any such connection. Mark Henkel's appearance lasts no longer than 12 seconds. Lester Holt states, "As many as 100,000 Americans are believed to be living in plural marriages. But now with the buzz over HBO's hit series, 'Big Love,' and a growing political acceptance of same sex unions, polygamy activists are emerging, some calling it 'the next civil rights battle,' and the battle lines are being drawn." It then cuts to tape, listing "Mark Henkel, Founder, TruthBearer.org." Mark Henkel explains, "We're saying, get government out of the business of defining marriage altogether. And basically, let consenting adults choose their own contractual arrangements." Overall, the report presents itself kindly toward the family itself (and toward UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in general), even though the family did not agree to be the main focus/subject. The segment also reports that the family was Christian, not connected to anything with Mormonism. After the segment ends, Lester Holt speaks (then-live) with Campbell Brown. She says to him, "And they seem like normal, like the person you'd run into in the grocery store." Lester Holt replies, "Very nice people, and you would never raise an eyebrow if you met them anywhere." She closes, saying, "All right. Much to think about."  Notwithstanding that the segment was certainly kind, the breach of the agreement paved the way for tougher demands with all other media over the years afterward. This result became a strong lesson-learned. Breach notwithstanding, the report was positively presented; and it does indeed leave the viewer/listener with much to think about indeed. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
06:19
April 14, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila interviewed Mark Henkel for Lester Holt - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Aarne Heikkila for Lester Holt for the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 15, 2006. The network had flown the producer and a TV crew to record the interview at a hotel in Portland, Maine, for a segment that would later air on March 19, 2006. On behalf of Lester Holt, producer Aarne Heikkila asked questions of Mark Henkel that would be used on a segment by the show's anchor Lester Holt. The producer asked questions that required lengthy answers while otherwise seeking to get sound-bite responses that he could use in the segment.  HBO had just premiered its fictional series, "Big Love," that same month - the first of its kind about polygamists. This interview, however, focused on Christian Polygamy and the larger non-Mormon based UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The former had made the latter larger movement possible, even paving the way for such a show to even be considered. This interview contains many excellent sound-bites as well as comprehensive answers to commonly asked questions. This episode reveals the method of how TV producers do the actual leg-work of interviewing a topical expert while making the taped-interview appear on the later segment as though the main anchor himself conducted the interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
51:48
April 7, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila Negotiated 3of3 with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 3of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 14, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview (the next day). This conversation was the third of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Mark Henkel had been requiring that it be written into the Agreement that the crew and producer (et al) would neither follow nor record anything else after the formal interviews. In the beginning of this third negotiation, the producer opened the negotiation by trying to get out of having to formally write that requirement.  Mark Henkel used his negotiation skills to both initially and conditionally concede on that issue. Later, however, the producer brought up a separate issue of how media companies can be subpoenaed and gave the kind warning that both Mark Henkel and the polygamous family would have to be careful of what they say. This was a point that the producer said that his attorneys wanted to be known in advance by all concerned. Mark Henkel deftly utilized that point to get the producer in the negotiation to instead be the one to concede and to indeed formally add Mark Henkel’s aforementioned requirement to be written into the Agreement. This third and final step of three ended positively, just as the previous two steps had occurred in the preceding week. This essential discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk. It also reveals the example that Mark Henkel set in both possessing and bringing some essential negotiation skills to this process. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
14:51
March 31, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila Negotiated 2of3 with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 2of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on on NBC-TV, on March 10, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview. This conversation was the second of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Because NBC had aired another show called "Dateline" that had made false associations about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, two years previously, Mark Henkel was clear that he was not going to tolerate any misrepresentation of the movement again.  The purpose of the piece was to be about the movement, Mark Henkel, and the TruthBearer.org organization -not exclusively about the family from his organization. Mark Henkel explained, "This will be NBC's shot to repair the damage of Dateline two years ago, and we will report it, one way or another, how we are treated." The producer re-affirmed six different times, saying, "You are going to be in the piece, Mark." Mark Henkel allowed that such terms not have to be written (so that they could move forward without lawyer-delays), saying, "I am going to take you at your word." This second step of three ended positively, as well as the first step had occurred the day before. This essential discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk.  It also reveals that Mark Henkel retained full authority to publish all aspects of this process, and it demonstates that the producer acknowledged that fact. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
07:22
March 24, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila Negotiated 1of3 with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 1of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on on NBC-TV, on March 9, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview. This conversation was the first of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Because NBC had aired another show called "Dateline" that had made false associations about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, two years previously, Mark Henkel was clear that he was not going to tolerate any misrepresentation of the movement again. When Mark Henkel was specifically limiting specific things for the terms and conditions, the producer countered them as supposedly not being necessary, saying, "You're free to say stuff like that when we interview you." Refusing to be misled by that argument, Mark Henkel insightfully and immediately replied, "Yeah, I'm free to say it; but whether you air it is another matter."  The producer understood. The first step of three ended positively. This important discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
10:23
March 17, 2021
The Ed Tyll Show Florida Man Radio WDYZ interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2020
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Ed Tyll Show on Florida Man Radio, WDYZ 660AM / 105.5FM, in Altamonte Springs, Florida, on February 28, 2020.  Over the previous decade, Mark Henkel had been a guest a number of different times on the host's past syndicated programs - each of which had always been positive interviews.  For this interview, Mark Henkel was originally asked as a guest to discuss a new state law being passed in the Utah Legislature to reduce the charge of bigamy from a felony crime down to an infraction in cases of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in which no other crimes occur. (NOTE: months after this interview, that law became fully passed and effective on May 12, 2020.)  The Florida Man Radio station obviously targets a male demographic in the greater Orlando, Florida market.    Along those lines, the host took the discussion toward a more physical direction of marital relations, although being neither vulgar nor salacious.  In the middle of the interview, the host seemed to take the issue into a harsh and hostile direction as Mark Henkel continued to hold his own and to just keep the information focused.  After the final break, Mark Henkel smilingly changed the tone of the conversation by offering some fun humor, bringing up the "Not tonight, honey, I have a headache" statement that husbands sometimes hear from wives.   The host loved it and declared that Mark Henkel had "kicked the soccer ball" as the host's way of meaning that he had “nailed it” with such powerful insights.  The interview proceeded quite positively from that moment forward.  The host again declared how much he loved having Mark Henkel as a guest.  At the end, the host even proclaimed, "God, I am having a great day today!"  This interview provides an example of how Mark Henkel's professional, thoughtful, and intentional use of humor-on-purpose (in order to change the tone) to refresh the discussion was able to successfully bring the interview back to a positive (indeed, an extremely positive) ending.  The host deserves credit and acknowledgement, too, for recognizing that and for joining with Mark Henkel in returning and restoring the discussion to the extremely positive conclusion. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
45:26
March 10, 2021
The Jiggy Jaguar Show interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2013
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Jiggy Jaguar Show, hosted by James Lowe (aka Jiggy Jaguar), in Hutchinson Kansas, on March 13, 2013, to discuss how the Roman Catholic institution's selection of its newest Pope Francis that same day might impact UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The host was both positive and generous in his praise and comments to Mark Henkel and UCAP polygamy.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
15:13
March 3, 2021
HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2011
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, on Headline News TV network, on July 21, 2011. The host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show to join a panel of two other guests. They were there to discuss the next then-pending trial of Warren Jeffs set to begin on the following Monday. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). All the panelists agreed that Jeffs was a criminal for the underage rape charges, and Mark Henkel clarified that Jeffs was always opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. In this interview, Mark Henkel made the renowned soundbite that observed how Warren Jeffs' court trial that Summer was being tried in "Tom Green County" of Texas - 10 years after Mark Henkel had previously been out in in the media speaking out against another underage criminal named, Tom Green. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
10:26
February 24, 2021
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on September 25, 2007. This was on the same day that the guilty verdicts were handed down against Warren Jeffs, cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist LDS. For the report she was writing, the reporter got the statement from Mark Henkel that families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, were glad that that real criminal was finally going to prison. The interview also discussed the issue of how the "mainstream" LDS always get their special caveat added to AP articles (declaring that the LDS oppose polygamy) and how any referencing to "Mormon polygamists" seems to be prohibited by the LDS themselves when it comes to AP articles - all while not allowing the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults to declare its adamant opposition to Jeffs and his cult (who have never been part of the movement anyway). The discussion also included commenting on how Judge James L. Shumate (who is normally would have a lot more to say in his written judgments) did not seem to  be so verbose in handing down this particular Decision. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 17, 2021
20/20 ABC News "John Stossel Special Report" interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "John Stossel Special Report" for "20/20" on ABC News, on July 18, 2008, during prime time television hours. The hour-long special looked into how big government over-reaches into what consenting adults do. This 7-minute segment, focusing on polygamy, made its fourfold-purpose clear. One, show that polygamy is not exclusively based on Mormon Polygamy (and that that idea is a myth). Two, show other forms of polygamy in a modern context. Three, show that UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) is about unrelated consenting adults making private choices of UCAP for themselves that work for them.  Four, show that UCAP polygamy has nothing to do with criminals and cults that also supposedly "involve polygamy" as otherwise sensationalized and misreported by manufactured news corporations. Mark Henkel was identified as the "National Polygamy Advocate." The segment includes interviews with a Christian polygamous husband and two wives from the TruthBearer.org Organization that Mark Henkel founded. The episode also includes a separate polygamous family, a man with two of his four wives from the African Hebrew Israelites. As well, the episode presents an academic from the University of Georgia, Professor Patricia Dixon, explaining the positivity of the women's choice element for those who choose it. Peter Sprigg declared the Family Research Council's (FRC) anti-polygamy bias. Mark Henkel follows-up to that bias, making a powerful refutation to the assertion that polygamy is sup'osedly immoral:  "If they're saying that that's immoral, they're calling the greatest heroes in the Bible they believe in — they're calling them immoral. They're saying that Abraham, with his three wives, was immoral. Jacob had four wives. David had seven known named wives before Bathsheba." This interview provides many excellent soundbites, including Mark Henkel's renowned "That's insane!" reference to Hugh Hefner's then-current popular reality TV show of "3 live-in girlfriends" that would otherwise make him a "criminal" if he actually married them. This episode is a must-hear presentation, and it is provided for the purpose of archiving for history. It is also presented in honor, legacy, and memory of both the husband and of one of his wives from the TruthBearer.org Organization who had both passed away only a few months apart in 2020. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 10, 2021
20/20 ABC News Kristina Kendall interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was in-person interviewed by producer Kristina Kendall immediately after John Stossel had also interviewed him, for "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 30, 2008, at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a "John Stossel Special" that would air on July 18, 2008.  The producer needed to capture additional soundbites from Mark Henkel.  She took questions that John Stossel had just asked him in the previous interview and continued to have Mark Henkel provide more brief and succinct responses.  It is from this interview that the since-renowned "That's Insane!" soundbite was recorded.   Mark Henkel also gave several other excellent soundbites in this final interview that did not get aired.  The producer expressed her positivity repeatedly, exclaiming at separate times, "Good answer(!)," "Very good(!)," and "You're great(!)."  From her pre-interviews (as previously broadcast in past podcasts) through this last interview here, the sincerity of these positive exclamations are both undeniable and further proven by the positivity of the resulting segment that aired later that year in the Summer of 2008.  This is a "must-hear" interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 3, 2021
20/20 ABC News John Stossel interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was in-person interviewed by John Stossel, for "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 30, 2008, at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a "John Stossel Special" that would air on July 18, 2008.  Even as producer Kristina Kendall had prepared some of the topics for John Stossel to ask for this full-camera taping, he still asked questions in his own way, was interested and positive toward Mark Henkel, and even offered indirect suggestions on how Mark Henkel could consider answering questions that the show's audience would be able to understand.  (For example, John Stossel suggested that many in his show’s audience might not know what "laissez faire" means, even as he said that he would agree with the term, himself.  The producer said that they were looking to see Mark Henkel's passion on camera - which he both easily and unquestionably delivered.  Mark Henkel offered numerous soundbites and education on many issues such as polygamists not having legal standing to sue media for libel or slander, as civil court judges exploiting anti-polygamy laws on the books to decree separation of unrelated consenting polygamous adults from even being near each other, as the "seeds and gardens" analogy of why we see fewer examples of people choosing polyandry, as the "10 men and 10 women" analogy,  as the "Marital Marxism" soundbite, and as many more. It is from this taped recording that the soundbites of Mark Henkel were extracted for use in John Stossel Special's polygamy-segment that eventually aired that Summer 2008.  This is a "must-hear" interview, archived for history and for all researchers of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  After John Stossel had completed this interview and had left the taping room, Mark Henkel remained, continuing to provide more on-camera answers with the producer to be used in the final product. That additional taped interview will be provided in the subsequent podcast following this one. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 27, 2021
20/20 ABC News Kristina Kendall pre-interviewed Mark Henkel -2- Dec 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 2nd time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on December 18, 2007. This was the first of 2 pre-interviews, in preparation for a subsequent taped-interview with John Stossel himself at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a “John Stossel Special” that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer was preparing a positive story about non-Mormon polygamy. This pre-interview includes preparations also made for recording some B-roll video with one of the UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) families in his organization, and also for ensuring that ABC would be flying him to that taping to protect the family as that would happen. The producer was completely committed to protecting the family and the integrity of this story. At one point, the producer even jumped in and exclaimed, "That's one of the most amazing things about your whole philosophy is that it's about complete choice." With this second of two pre-interviews, the subsequent podcast following this one will provide the actual interview with John Stossel himself. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 20, 2021
20/20 ABC News Kristina Kendall pre-interviewed Mark Henkel -1- Nov 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on November 21, 2007.  This was the first of 2 pre-interviews, in preparation for a subsequent taped-interview with John Stossel himself at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a “John Stossel Special” that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer wanted to do a story about non-Mormon polygamy. She established right away that she knew and that she affirmed that she would first have to build a relationship of trust. Mark Henkel told her how the Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamists (UPCAPs) had actually “been waiting to hear from John Stossel” for this kind of segment. Mark Henkel gave the sound-bite comparing “CNN on the left and FOX on the right” manufacturing news product as if real news to “saying that MacDonald’s and Burger King sell health food.”  Having been so let down by ABC’s past airing of misrepresentative manufactured news stories about polygamy over the previous years, Mark Henkel explained how differently that the TruthBearer.org organization perceived John Stossel’s actually-honest reporting.   Mark Henkel shared that he and his organization chucklingly perceived John Stossel as a “diamond in a pile of pooh” - which generated laughter in the producer each time he said it.  Earlier that year (2007), John Stossel had authored a new book, "Myths, Lies and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel - Why Everything You Know is Wrong."  Mark Henkel said he had more than 10 such "myths, lies, and downright stupidity" about polygamy that he would be happy to share in an episode with John Stossel. This first pre-interview includes so many important sound-bites that the producer even had to stop to write some of them down. She mentioned how positively struck she was by the “love-not-force” standard being so respectful of women, that wives must equally consent. She particular liked Mark Henkel’s use of the “freedom of assembly” argument, affirming that John Stossel could agree with that frame of argument himself. So committed to doing this story, the producer at one point even proclaimed her response to the arguments, “I really think I completely agree.” This was the very first contact with producer Kristina Kendall; and, she definitely lived up to her promise (in this interview and over the subsequent weeks andmonths) to build a positive relationship of trust.  Forthcoming episodes of this podcast will include the subsequent pre-interview, the taped interview with John Stossel himself, and more.  All of these are must-hear interviews. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 13, 2021
Peri Muldofsky independently interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, former Development Producer for ABC News Productions, but still freelancing for them on June 10, 2006.   In this (the third of three) interviews, the producer said that she was no longer full time employed by ABC News, that she worked for the History Channel instead, and that she was still able to write articles for major media such New York Sunday Times magazine, Glamour, and other print media. She still very much wanted to so something with Mark Henkel and this story. The interview referenced Mark Henkel's several experiences/observations with various personalities in the media, including Lester Holt of NBC-TV, Stanley Kurtz of The Weekly Standard, Albert Mohler of CrossTalk.com (who made the outrageous claim that supposedly "legalization of polygamy means the destruction of marriage"), and Karole Honas of KIFI-TV (who had been urprised by the story from a feminist angle). When Mark Henkel lamented the disappointing ordeal of when he and one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization were on NBC's "The TODAY Show" (even though it was not a negative report), she again offered some more excellent insights and education about how TV media puts together their spots. Mark Henkel explained how the two wives in one of the organization's polygamous families had traded off working and caring for children with each other in both getting their college education. He said, "Talk about the ultimate feminist success story!" The freelance producer/writer exclaimed, "Right! To me, one of the banner headlines would be like, 'Is Polygamy Better for Women?" The question to me is not even, 'Is Polygamy Bad for Women?' The question is, 'Is Polygamy BETTER for Women?'" Happily embracing the fascinating and feminist angle of this non-Mormon-polygamy, the freelance producer/writer emphatically and politely wanted and invited further exploring into how she and Mark Henkel might put together a story with a wife of a polygamous family that she could write for one of the top major print media. Affirming that intent, she exclaimed, "I think it's a really good story." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 6, 2021
Peri Muldofsky ABC News interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, Development Producer for ABC News Productions, on March 3, 2006.  Three months after a previous lengthy interview together, the producer positively kept seeking in this next interview to develop a working relationship of trust.  She continued to make recommendations for getting polygamous families on TV.  While she knew that that was not going to happen at that time, the producer remained genuinely professional, provided insightful education about how TV/media operates behind the scenes, and offered to write something for print media such as the New York Sunday Times and Glamour magazine (the latter for which she had a direct contact).  This is the second of three comprehensive and important interviews with this very friendly media professional. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 30, 2020
Peri Muldofsky ABC News interviewed Mark Henkel - Dec 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, Development Producer for ABC News Productions, on December 13, 2005. In this comprehensive 90-minute interview, the producer sought information for development of a story about the TruthBearer.org organization and the new modern movement of Christian Polygamy (and beyond to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy).  She had found it fascinating, as she had never heard about it before she learned of and surfed through the TruthBearer.org website. For her story development, she was initially hoping for families to go "on-air." Mark Henkel identified that idea as a “circus act request,” explaining, "The circus act does not work for us. It just hasn't (worked)." Remaining fully positive, the producer kindly sought to build a professional relationship (developing trust for the future), as she generously offered additional ways that this pro-woman, pro-family, non-Mormon form of polygamy could be given better media attention. She even offered to think more about it to see what else she could later recommend in a few weeks afterward. The producer even exclaimed, "Every single woman in America, every woman in her 30s who's looking for a man to make a commitment, can relate to this." With many of Henkel's important sound-bites and the producer's unsolicited education on how to additionally work the media, this episode is a must-hear interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 23, 2020
FOX News Radio Anderson McGregor interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Anderson McGregor, producer for The Alan Colmes Show, on FOX News Radio, on February 7, 2005 and several subsequent times through April 29, 2005. The initial media request sought for Mark Henkel to appear on The Alan Colmes Show on the next night. As other news broke, however, that original plan did not happen. This podcast episode includes 16 different phone calls, made over a period of almost 3 months, as the producer kept trying to find ways that would tie-in to current events, to have Mark Henkel be interviewed by Alan Colmes on the show.  When the overwhelming "Terri Schiavo story" broke, they both tried to use the angle of a comprehensive article that Mark Henkel had written about the issue of marriage that applied to that story. That effort failed to succeed to get him on the show, as well.    As neither the producer nor Mark Henkel was able to find a tie-in acceptable for the show to bring Mark Henkel on to talk about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, this series of telephone calls/interview ultimately ended up as being to no avail. Overall, Mark Henkel gave some important, excellent soundbites, though - from pointing out that it is actually "catholic moral relativism that created anti-polygamy," to making his humorous reminder, "Not everything takes place in Utah." In this important experiential episode, listeners will learn significant insights about what is involved in "trying to work the media." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 16, 2020
FOX News Radio Jessica Rosenthal interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jessica Rosenthal for a report she was preparing for FOX News Radio, on September 24, 2007.  This was during the trial hearings of criminal Warren Jeffs of the FLDS.  This interview includes many persuasive, essential soundbites.  Mark Henkel said, "To connect all polygamists to Warren Jeffs is as slanderous and offensive as connecting all teachers to Mary Kay Letourneau."  The reporter exclaimed, "Huh! That IS a great soundbite!"  Mark Henkel clarified and called out the "illusion that the media continues to portray, and that is, that only practicing polygamists want polygamy rights. There IS a polygamy rights movement of vast quantities of people around the country who want the freedom to do so. And just because they might not practicing, it doesn't mean they don't want that freedom."  He also called out the manufactured news corporations for not letting the story be told: "CNN and FOX, liberal vs conservative, it's like saying McDonald's vs Burger King offer health food. It's just not true. You don't tell the truth about us."  After then failing to trap Mark Henkel in a would-be contradiction about same sex marriage, the reporter asked, "So then you'd be okay with a father marrying his daughter."  Mark Henkel instantly exclaimed, "I said consenting adults! Why why why is polygamy - See?  This is the problem we have.  You continue to put it back into propaganda.  We are saying, 'consenting adults.'  I will say 'consenting adults' to you 10 times, and you'll still come back to me like we somehow support underage. No we don't!"  The Reporter installed apologetically backed off and admitted that it was the only alternative of "unacceptable" she thought of, conceding, "I see your point."  The interview proceeded positively.  Before both said friendly goodbyes, Mark Henkel quickly repeated one last time, "Remember, we oppose Jeffs, and we always did." The reporter immediately replied in a friendly tone, "Ok Got it. I wrote that down. I did." With so many excellent soundbites, this interview is certainly an important "must-hear" one. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 9, 2020
NewsRadio 1620 WNRP Branden Rathert interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2015
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel on Live Talk Radio with host Branden Rathert, on News Radio 1620 AM WNRP, in Pensacola, Florida.  As same sex marriage was just then legalized in Florida, Mark Henkel was brought back on to the show (as a previous guest in past years) to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The host asked his audience: Which of those two types of marriage do they find more abhorrent? Mark Henkel explained that the modern UCAP polygamy movement is actually a pro-woman's choice movement.  When the host referenced two different reality TV shows about polygamy as being "weird," Mark Henkel clarified that those reality TV shows involved only Mormon polygamous families.  Mark Henkel explained that Mormonism's excusive "pre-existence of souls" doctrine calls for women to have as many children as possible;  but that means that other UCAP families, those who do not come from the Mormon paradigm, do not follow that Mormon doctrine and thus, typically, will not have the "herds and herds of children" that one might see in Mormon polygamous families.  The host chuckled at the "herds of children" reference. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 2, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted for interview again with Associated Press AP - Feb 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persisted again with Jennifer Dobner of the Associated Press (the AP Newswire), on February 1, 2007.  This was in response to a then-proposed bill, HB 2009, introduced by Rep. David Lujan, D-Phoenix, in Arizona, that sought to prohibit judges from granting custody to a parent who engages in "child bigamy" unless the judge determines that no threat exists to the child.  In addition to trying to present the national movement's response to the bill for then-future AP-articles in that news cycle (and to address the falsely-worded idea of supposed "fleeing polygamy"), Mark Henkel was also again persisting to get the needed clarification in the AP Stylebook to include the necessary differentiating adjectives (such as "Mormon polygamy"). http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 25, 2020
Newsmax TV MidPoint Ed Berliner inteviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2015
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Newsmax TV news show, MidPoint, with host Ed Berliner, on January 19, 2015. This network claims to be a conservative media outlet serving a conservative audience. The host introduced the topic with reference to a standard "slippery slope" statement by Senator Lindsey Graham, in a Senate committee hearing considering President Barack Obama's nominee for Attorney General, Loretta Lynch - that if same sex marriage can be legalized, so must polygamy. Mark Henkel answered the question with the perfect answer to easily persuade any actual conservative: limited government, the polygamy rights win-win solution. When asked if polygamy was still illegal, Mark Henkel again gave another perfect answer to easily persuade any actual conservative, even using his humorous sound-bite of the "liberal activist judges of the 1878 Supreme Court in the Reynolds v. United States case." The host then began what seems to be planned speech using wild hyperbole, such as claims of how polygamy supposedly is evil." As the host began the speech, someone at the network disconnected the skype access to Mark Henkel. The host's seeming speech sounds extremely prepared for suggesting this "disconnection" was supposedly a surprise. When Mark Henkel called back by phone, someone at the network disconnected that too. All the while, the host continued the same seemingly planned and prepared speech, saying that "someone, maybe a higher power" stopped the interview as if it was somehow something miraculous (or God-ordained). The host continued the seemingly prepared speech, asserting the supposed "slippery slope" argument of how polygamy is supposedly "so evil" 0- while conveniently not empowering Mark Henkel to eplxain otherwise.  While the host purported that they would bring Mark Henkel back in a future interview, the network had still not done so even more than years later. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 18, 2020
The National Post - Canada - inteviewed Mark Henkel - July 2001
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The National Post, a national Canadian newspaper out of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, on July 16, 2001, by a Reporter named, Nate.  Just under 1 hour and 20 minutes, this interview was conducted in the pre-9/11 era of the Tom Green trial and sentencing.  This was one of the earlier media interviews, back when collecting details for each one was still being learned and systematized.  This comprehensively educational interview provided Mark Henkel's explanation of "the Tom Green problem" and the "daddy-daughter dynamic," Henkel's soundbite that "Christian polygamy does not mean Mormon Polygamy and polygamy does not mean Mormon," the history of the Christian Polygamy movement, the several Biblical argumentations, Henkel's separate home church unconnected to the movement, the history of early polygamy websites in the movement (and against it) back then when the first original owners owned such sites, the emergence of force polygamy and how the standard of love-not-force solved that problem, and so much more.  Mark Henkel even delineated the ancestries of Moses' two wives (the Shemitic Abrahamic Midiantess and the Hamitic Cushite wife).  As well, Mark Henkel gave a soundbite lyric from a song he had written back then, saying, "Too many Mommies, all alone / Raisin' babies, no daddy at home."  Henkel also declared, "The Tom Green case is really as destructive for us as Tim MacVeigh was for the militia movement."  Mark Henlel gave the historic soundbite, "The problem that Tom Green is creating is the potential of the anti-polygamist propaganda that is about to unleash a reign of terror on good, solid, polygamous families that are not configured in any way like the Tom Green case."   Lastly, Mark Henkel concluded, "We want to get the word out that polygamy does NOT mean what these things are." The Reporter replied, "You've done a very good job of that, getting out the word to me, anyway." Repeating that same sentiment a number of times throughout the interview, the Reporter concluded emphatically saying, "I very much appreciate talking to you, Mark.  It has been extremely illuminating." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 11, 2020
The Me and Vinnie Show Sirius XM Stars Too interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2010
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "The Me And Vinnie" show with host, Vinnie Politan, on January 19, 2010.  The host occasionally shared the mic with the show's "newsman," Michael Billy.  The purposes of the interview sought, generally, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and, specifically, to discuss how the then-ongoing Perry v. Schwarzenegger case in California which was then-seeking to overturn Proposition 8 might impact polygamy rights. (Prop. 8 was a referendum passed by 52% of California voters in November 2008, amending the California State Constitution to add the following amendment, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.")  From the start of the interview, the host made it clear, saying, "I am pro-choice" as long as the polygamy involves consenting adults.  He asked many good questions which provided opportunities for Henkel to offer more of his repeated, known sound-bites.  Henkel also explained polygamy in the Bible.  The host's fellow "newsman" wanted to take religion out of the argument for marriage, citing how his fellow activists for same sex marriage sought to persuade scientific sources to advance the "born that way, not a choice" argument for getting same sex marriage approved (legally and socially).  The "newsman" then said, "You can't argue that polygamists are born that way...  "It's called being a guy, isn't it?"   Henkel did not accept that "pseudo-science" of the "born that way" argument because, as he said, it denies human choice based on genetics.  Thereby, Henkel agreed that polygamists would not use that argument of such "pseudo-science."  The discussion also asked how government could even construct legal rights for polygamists, as both the host and the "newsman" focused on the special rights that legally married people get from government and "how complicated" it would be for applying them to polygamy. Henkel gave the loaded sound-bite, "It only gets complicated by getting into bigger and bigger government... We have corporation law, partnership law, and we have differentiation of corporation: from profit, non-profit, and sub-chapter s.  We could simply create a corporation law" for polygamy.  The host humorously interjected, using his own name, "The Politan Family Corporation!"  The host concluded the interview, asking about the impacts on the children of UCAP polygamy families.  Henkel responded with the powerful sound-bite, "This is not a flinging thing, but rather a commitment thing.  So, this is an opportunity for children to thrive.  The issues that are negative for children are the tyranny of law against it."  In the end, Henkel, the host, and the "newsman" were in positive agreement about rights and freedom for Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  (NOTE: Later that year, on August 4, 2010, a US District Court overturned that "Prop. 8" of Perry v. Schwarzenegger.  The original Petitioners of Prop. 8 subsequently appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and then on up to the Supreme Court in the case re-named as Hollingsworth v. Perry.  Ignoring any merits entirely, the Supreme Court, on June 26, 2013, remanded the case on a technicality of "legal standing," bringing the final decision-result to being the original District Court's decision of Perry v. Schwarzenegger 2010.) http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 4, 2020
ABC News Emily Friedman interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Emily Friedman for ABC News on September 13, 2007.  The reporter was respectful and positive throughout this 40-minute interview, even enjoying mutual laughter together.  Mark Henkel provided her with an extensive education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the various forms, i.e., Christian Polygamy, Mormon Polygamy, Jewish Polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, and Secular Polygamy. He detailed numerous Biblical argumentations used by the new Christian Polygamy movement, explained the adamant opposition to criminals and cults (such as Tom Green, Warren Jeffs and the FLDS), and offered many important soundbites.  He even gave his renowned soundbite about the powerful lesson from Orwell's book, "1984," regarding how people often "commit an act of insanity in order to keep their sanity."  This episode is certainly one of the more succinctly informative interviews for those seeking a helpfully definitive education on the topic. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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October 28, 2020
Associated Press AP post-interviewed Mark Henkel after nationwide article - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was POST-interviewed on November 27, 2006, AFTER an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire) published nationwide on November 24, 2006. **This MUST-HEAR Interview*** is the third of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner.  This interview discussed Mark Henkel's reaction and feedback on the interview, noting his observation of the need to help correct the AP Stylebook on the issue of reporter's needing to be allowed to differentiate "Mormon Polygamy" as a term, because of the  mainstream "Mormons controlling the AP Stylebook." Mark Henkel gave the sound-bite, "The problem is, because the Mormon institution is controlling the definition, you can't say 'Non-Mormon Polygamist' because you can't say 'Mormon Polygamist.'"  This point re-affirmed the connection to the past interviews, over the previous several months, with this same AP Reporter, in which Mark Henkel had persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS.   This 3rd of these 3 podcast audios here reveals the friendly, professional, and even mutually laughing rapport between the reporter and Mark Henkel.  The Reporter agreed that it made sense to move forward in exploring how to get such accuracy changes into the AP Stylebook, for the purpose of ensuring better brevity.   She said, "It is a quagmire, I agree... ...I think it's a valid point... ...That's a really good suggestion, I'm writing it all down."  She later concluded, "Everything you say is good fodder for another story." For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to the 1st and 2nd of these three podcast audios, posted in the previous 2 podcast episodes before this one.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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October 21, 2020
Associated Press AP interviewed Mark Henkel for nationwide article - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed again on November 19, 2006, for an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). **This MUST-HEAR Inteview*** is the second of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. Over the previous several months, Mark Henkel had conducted numerous interviews with AP Reporter Jennifer Dobner. He persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS.  Finally, the reporter's bosses allowed her to write something about it.  The article was originally planned to be published over the weekend of November 18 or 19, 2006.  But as the Warren Jeffs hearings were set to conclude days later on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, the article was pushed back a week to be able add material based on that last hearing.  This 2nd of these 3 podcast audios here is an hour long.  This interview reveals the professionalism, comprehensive knowledge, humanity, compassion, even the empathy of both Mark Henkel and the Reporter.  This also includes many excellent sound-bites.  For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to both the 1st and the 3rd of these three podcast audios, posted in the subsequent 2 podcast episodes before and following this second one.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:01:35
October 14, 2020
Associated Press AP photographed Mark Henkel for nationwide article - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was photographed on November 14, 2006, for an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire).  This is the first 1 of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. Over the previous several months, Mark Henkel had conducted numerous interviews with AP Reporter Jennifer Dobner. He persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS.  Finally, the reporter's bosses allowed her to write something about it.  The article was originally planned to be published over the weekend of November 18 or 19, 2006.  But as the Warren Jeffs hearings were set to conclude days later on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, the article was pushed back a week to be able add material based on that last hearing.  This 1st of these 3 podcast audios here presents the discussions by which the Associated Press photo shoot of Mark Henkel (in an "environmental portrait") was arranged with AP Photographers Doug Pizak (Salt Lake City, Utah) and Joel Page (Portland, Maine), specifically for this then-pending article.  For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to both the 2nd and the 3rd of these three podcast audios, posted in the subsequent 2 podcast episodes following this first one.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
12:27
October 7, 2020
Overnight America KMOX NewsRadio 1120 interviewed Mark Henkel - March 2020
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Overnight America, hosted by Ryan Wrecker, on KMOX NewsRadio 1120, in St. Louis, Missouri, on March 4, 2020. The interview had been originally scheduled to focus on bigamy laws in general and on the then-new law that was being passed in Utah that reduced the charges of bigamy from a felony to an infraction for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The host began gaslighting from the beginning, mocking in doubt that the "purported clause" in bigamy laws really threatened anyone. After hearing different forms of polygamy identified, the host asked specifically about Christian Polygamy. As Mark Henkel explained how the Christian Polygamy movement made it possible for the overall larger UCAP movement, Henkel explained how Christians come to find the former.  Henkel explained the common experience of a number of Christians in numerous, various denominations: "When you really study the Bible, you discover it is an absolute impossibility to say that you believe in the Bible and that the Bible bans polygamy." From that point on, the host sought to continually gaslight or to try to trap Mark Henkel in specific answers. When Mark Henkel showed that the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 provided an example of the sinless Jesus Christ proverbially describing himself in polygamous terms, the host repeatedly gaslighted as if that obvious example of a polygamous wedding still somehow had nothing to do with polygamy, not even proverbially. Observing those tactics being attempted, Mark Henkel declared that he could see those would-be traps that the host was trying to set and that he would not be so trapped. He gave his sound-bite example that demonstrates how such traps work: "Have you finally stopped beating your loved ones with a jagged two-by-four, yes or no?" After hearing the host's repeated interruptions of "where in the New Testament" questions, Mark Henkel used his "airplane" soundbite to show the illogic. The host refused to get back on the main topic of law. Instead, the host consumed the rest of the time on gaslighting the Biblical issues to slander Mark Henkel,  to repeatedly call him crazy, and even to tell the audience that the host believed that Mark Henkel was "one of those people" who deliberately misleads people with mis-readings of Scripture; the host repeatedly emphasized that that was "so dangerous."  After the interview, the host took back-patting callers and he used that to directly slander Mark Henkel.  Hearing the continued discussion online in real-time, Mark Henkel tweeted how the host had put words in his mouth again.  The host read the tweet on-air and then re-played previous audio which actually proved that Mark Henkel was correct about the host's falsehood - yet the host still gaslighted otherwise.  As such, seven additional minutes have been added to this podcast episode in order to re-wind and re-play the spoken parts, full quoted contexts, and the mentioned twitter thread (see: https://twitter.com/MHenkelPolygamy/status/1235418614418661378 ). This additional ending portion of the podcast episode proves that, not only were the host's gaslighting efforts evident, and not only were the host's claims false regarding what Mark Henkel had said, but those statements by the host might even likely be legally-pursuable as charges of slander.  Consequently, this hostile interview has been transformed into an attention-grabbing yet positive exposition. This is a must-hear interview! http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
44:15
September 30, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted for interview with Associated Press AP - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persisted with Jennifer Dobner, on September 15 and 17, 2006, to find a way to reach different Associated Press state offices when national news cycles emerge that pertain to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  This was in response to the national news cycle that Nevada's US Senator Harry Reid had called for a federal investigation into all polygamous families in the Western States on September 12, 2006.  Jennifer Dobner was from the Utah AP office and did not do work on those stories as it pertained to Nevada, although she did tend to be the de facto interoffice-source when other AP state offices needed information about polygamy.  This interview reveals how the Manufactured News system was not conducive to allowing actual news & stakeholder sources of the topic (herewith, polygamy on the national level) to be included in national stories directly about their topic. The reporter was friendly and was sincerely trying to find a solution, though. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
12:02
September 23, 2020
Portland Phoenix Jeff Inglis interviewed Mark Henkel - Nov 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on November 13, 2009. This interview occurred 10 days after Maine voters, by a "People's Veto" referendum in a mid-term election, repealed a new same sex marriage law. (NOTE:, same sex marriage later became legalized "again" in Maine by the nationwide US Supreme Court decision of Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015). For all of this, Mark Henkel had written an op-ed about how the law was neither about "Marriage Protection" nor about "Marriage Equality," and he was waiting for whether the statewide daily newspaper (Portland Press Herald / Maine Voices) would publish it. The Portland Press Herald's new owner/CEO and Editor Richard Conner refused to publish it.  (That Summer, Conner had replaced the then-terminated previous Editor John Porter. Two years after that, Conner himself, also left the, being accused by the same newspaper for misusing over $530,000 of company funds for his own personal use.)  Conner’s refusal thereby opened the opportunity for the weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, to show "the article that the Press Herald was too afraid to publish." The Managing Editor of this weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, loved this idea. In this interview, Mark Henkel exposed the “positive but passive aggressiveness” of The Portland Press Herald's main conservative opinion writer Michael (M.D.) Harmon *who knew of Henkel for the previous 3 years, yet never once allowed Henkel to be reported or to be published), the hypocrisy of the Portland Press Herald’s main liberal opinion writer Bill Nemitz (who directly knew about Mark Henkel with a press kit and yet still acted as if Henkel did not exist, even while writing a story very similar to one of Mark Henkel’s known soundbites), and the outright hateful bigotry of  same sex marriage advocate Mary Bonauto (who publicly had made highly bigoted-statements about unrelated consenting adult polygamy, and who also would later be one of the attorneys who presented before the US Supreme Court for the Obergefell v. Hodges Decision of June 26, 2015, that legalized same sex marriage nationwide). Mark Henkel explained how the article offered the solution by which either losing side in the same sex marriage can go forward, save face, and achieve a win for all sides: The Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution. He explained that, as the politically liberal side had then just lost the "People's Veto" vote 10 days previously, he recommended that they should actually learn from Mark Henkel's arguments to instead "use conservative arguments to persuade conservatives."  Mark Henkel provided numerous soundbites and educational points. Also, the interview flow and mood was very friendly, respectful, and even fun with both Henkel and the Managing Editor laughing a number of times - all making this a must-hear interview. The Managing Editor of The Portland Phoenix published Henkel’s article that next week, the one that the Portland Press Herald had been too afraid to publish. This provides another example of how the big Manufactured News Corporations do not report the news, but they instead decide what they will and will not let the public read  or even learn about in their media sources. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
35:40
September 16, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted that Portland Press Herald publish article - Feb 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for the Opinion Page Editor John Porter to publish an article in the Portland Press Herald, starting on February 11, 2009.  The Maine newspaper had, 2 years previously, reported about Mark Henkel.  Later that coming Spring of 2009, the Maine State Legislature was preparing to make a law to make Maine the 5th State to legalize same sex marriage.  Mark Henkel was seeking to show a "third way," the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate.  Mark Henkel had first spoken with the newspaper's "Maine Voices" Editor Michael (M.D.) Harmon who had passed it off with a recommendation that Mark Henkel instead pursue the matter with his next-up-the-line editor, John Porter.  John Porter sounded like he would consider a 700-word op-ed instead.   He said that he did not think that polygamy was somehow "relevant" or even "controversial" to be part of the debate (revealing how the Manufactured News Corporations do not really allow full debate or anyone to be heard on issues they control).  But John Porter did say that he would "shop it around" (even to his own boss) when Mark Henkel would later send the article to him. Mark Henkel called back a few times in April, 2009, even on the day before his live appearance at the Maine Public Hearing for the pending same sex marriage law on April 22,2009.  By April 28, 2009, it seemed possible that the newspaper would finally publish it. (On a side note, later that year, 2009, when the newspaper was bought, placing it under new ownership, John Porter would be removed from his top-dog newspaper editorship to instead go work as a spokesman for a local internet company.  In that following Fall of 2009, the opponents of the newly-passed same sex marriage law were gearing up for a statewide referendum to repeal it with a "People's Veto."  Mark Henkel would continue to reach out to the Portland Press Herald and its new top-dog editor to publish this timely relevant article.  The "People's Veto" subsequently passed, which in turn, repealed the then-new-but-thereafter-repealed same sex marriage law in Maine.  On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court Decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, determined that same sex marriage was thereafter to be legalized in all 50 States. ) In the end, the Portland Press Herald still chose to hide the article from their readership, which instead was later published in a different newspaper in Portland. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
18:17
September 9, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner clarify - 2 - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for Jennifer Dobner to make a regular clarification for articles in the Associated Press (the AP newswire), reaching her on September 8, 2006.  --Part 2 of 2.-- One week previously, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List,  the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested.  For that week, Mark Henkel persisted for Jennifer Dobner to include a clarifying statement that the national polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults has always opposed that cult leader and criminal, were glad that he was caught, and both loathe and do not participate in those crimes.  This is Part 2 of 2 recordings that show how Mark Henkel was able to begin getting this essential clarification made.  The reporter said, "The New York Editors don't care." Mark Henkel said that it was looking like "the AP is not Associated Press but is the Associated Propaganda." He also used the comparative metaphor of a media in the 1950s and 1960s reporting on some singularly local gang of African American men "raping a white girl" but refusing to clarify in their news reports about it, making it look like all African American men do that, and when national-level leader Martin Luther King Jr.  repeatedly asked the media to clarify that the violent gang of criminals are adamantly opposed by everyday normal African Americans too, the media refused to do so.  He explained that that is what the manufactured news outlets are doing to polygamists with this story by not adding Mark Henkel's clarification.  The reporter said that she had understood and she positively worked for a way to include a clarification.  Subsequently, when she was finally able to get the beginning of such clarification past her editors, Mark Henkel followed up with a call left as a voicemail to thank her and keep it progressing - which is included at the end of this audio. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
13:36
September 2, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner clarify - 1 - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for Jennifer Dobner to make a regular clarification for articles in the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on September 6 and 7, 2006.  --Part 1 of 2.-- One week previously, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List,  the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested.  For the following week, Mark Henkel persisted for Jennifer Dobner to include a clarifying statement that the national polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults has always opposed that cult leader and criminal, were glad that he was caught, and both loathe and do not participate in those crimes.  This is Part 1 of 2 recordings that show how much effort Mark Henkel made in trying to get this essential clarification made in future AP articles.  (Part 2, which will begin at the subsequent phone conversation made on the following morning of September 8, 2006, will be posted next week.)  In this recording of Part 1, the frustrated reporter even explained that she could not promise that her work-superiors would let such clarifications through, even if she could get them into her articles.  She even declared, "My bosses don't care" (about such things). http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
14:19
August 26, 2020
Chatelaine magazine in Canada interviewed Mark Henkel - October 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Chatelaine, leading Canadian women's magazine from Toronto, Ontario, on October 17, 2007.   Having seen a then-recent article about Mark Henkel in another Canadian magazine (MacLean's), the writer Chris Dafoss (correct spelling not known) wanted to do an article (due to be published in the following Spring) from the angle of polygamy's growing acceptance.  Mark Henkel differentiated the Mormon-based group in Bountiful, Canada, from other forms of polygamy, such as Christian polygamy and Secular polygamy.  When the writer first guessed that Christian polygamy was "Old Testament based,"  Mark Henkel provided the clarity to her that that was definitely not the case, that Christian polygamy is "New Covenant based Christianity" based on all the Bible.  This 50-minute interview is a comprehensive interview, providing several answers to many frequently asked questions about polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
50:03
August 19, 2020
Mark Henkel gave statement to Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner - Aug 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave a statement to Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on August 31, 2006.  Two days earlier, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List,  the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested.  As both the FBI listing and the reports from most of the news organizations associated that cult criminal with polygamy,  the TruthBearer.org organization (founded by Henkel) issued a press release, distributed that same day (August 29, 2006) to the media through Pro-Polygamy.com, explaining, "Pro-Polygamists Glad that Fugitive Warren Jeffs was Caught."  Mark Henkel kept phonecalling the AP over those next two days to reach Jennifer Dobner.  He made sure that she would get the statement.   Jennifer Dobner confirmed that she should be able to use it in order to report the differentiation that Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, is not the same as the FLDS or (eventually convicted) criminal Warren Jeffs - and especially that normal pro-polygamists were even glad that the criminal was finally caught. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
07:58
August 12, 2020
Hogue in the Morning AM1380 KTKZ interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "Hogue in the Morning" on AM1380 KTKZ, in Sacramento, California, of the Salem Radio Network, on April 4, 2006.  After the premiere of HBO's then-new fictional TV show, "Big Love," this consvertive radio show made a media request to discuss polygamy on air, live.  After Mark Henkel's repeated attempts to reach them by telephone (despite the fact the the show was the originator of the media request), and being told that they were out of time more than once while the producer kept the pre-interview calls going long, etc., Mark Henkel became aware during the 2 pre-interview phonecalls that the show could be more hostile than they were sounding.  After Mark Henkel declared that he was not interested in doing that kind of interview, producer Matt Bisiaux  assured him, "We are not going to sandbag you, we're not going to namecall you. We're not that kind of show."  He explained that the host was a Christian himself and that both the show and the network were mostly Christian too. The actual on-air-interview begins after 32 minutes into this recording., and it proved that Mark Henkel's awareness was correct.  The host , Eric Hogue, immediately began as sarcastic and clearly went on the attack from the beginning, putting words into Mark Henkel's mouth which the latter vehemently denied but corrected.  As Mark Henkel would try to answer questions, the host repeatedly cut him off and re-worded what he said with self-evident falsehoods.  At one point, Mark Henkel used a positive statement with which any serious Christian would be familiar, saying to host Eric Hogue, "In the name of Jesus Christ, is this man willing to listen? Are you willing to listen?" The host, betraying his claim of being Christian, then exlaimed back, "Wow! Did you just put a hex on me?" (Actual Bible-studying Christians immediately recognize what that exchange reveals, as no Christian would think that that was hex! God forbid.)  By the end, the host's hostile fighting descended into his outrageous and invented idea that supposedly husbands would ever somehow be "disciplining" their wives.  Mark Henkel responded to this offensive suggestion with the powerful concluding soundbite, "You're thinking from the gutter instead of listening to maturity."  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
58:55
August 5, 2020
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on July 26, 2006.  This brief discussion focused on the media problem within the "Mormonland Bubble of Utah/Arizona," and how AP articles (which covers a much larger audience than that local area) were still not making the necessary descriptive differentiations to accurately clarify and disassociate criminals such as the FLDS as not the same thing as normal Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) families. The writer even acknowledged, "You make a good point - that I could be adding this other stuff,"  and later confirmed, "I don't necessarily disagree with you." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
05:18
July 29, 2020
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Oct 2019
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr., with a round-table of the show's additional Conservative and Christian co-panelists, on October 24, 2019.  This was a comprehensive interview that covered so many different issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  During this interview, Mark Henkel first came up with the "No dog in the fight" soundbite as well as first mentioned his observation of what he calls, "#ImposerVsImposer politics" - by which an Imposer always wins no matter which "side" gets elected, all while leaders of both "sides" keep us all divided into tribalism fighting each other.  At one point, one of the specially invited co-panelists, a doctor, began arguing with Mark Henkel about Biblical Polygamy.   At 2 hours and 30 minutes into the interview, the host briefly went into other unconnected political topics, but he brought Mark Henkel back for concluding comments at 2 hours and 48 minutes. "We're just asking for freedom. We're not asking to impose on you. We're not even asking for legalization."  The woman co-panelist concluded, asking if Mark Henkel would be willing to later be a guest on her own show too (to which Henkel positively said, "Yes").  The host concluded, asked Mark Henkel to keep him and the show updated into the future. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
02:54:30
July 22, 2020
Portland Phoenix Jeff Inglis interviewed Mark Henkel - Oct 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on  October 29, 2009.   This interview occurred during the week before a mid-term election, in which voters in the State of Maine would be voting on a "People's Veto" to repeal the then-recently-passed new same sex marriage law. (It was repealed on November 3, 2009.  Even so, same sex marriage later became legalized "again" in Maine by the nationwide US Supreme Court decision of Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015).  For all of this, Mark Henkel had written an op-ed about how the law was neither about "Marriage Protection" nor about "Marriage Equality," and he was waiting for whether the statewide daily newspaper (Portland Press Herald / Mane Voices) would carry it.  If not, this could be an opportunity for the weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix,  to show "the article that the Press Herald was too afaid to publish."   The Managing Editor loved this idea.  This interview with him had many good soundbites, including how the law being voted on was supposed to be all about, "equality for all, equality for all, equality for all - except unrelated consenting adult polygamists."   Commenting about the public debate which had aired on local television the night before about the pending "People's Veto" vote, in which the side opposing the repeal (i.e., being for same sex marriage) actually used terms of cruel bigotry when addressing the polygamy question, Mark Henkel explained that the debater's defaulting to false stereotypes of polygamy was as bigoted and offensive as saying that "all gay men want sex with boys."  Mark Henkel re-iterated that the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate is "the intellectual solution to end this war" for all sides and stakeholders.  Agreeing to speak again two weeks later, the Manageing Editor ended with the following request regarding the status of Mark Henkel's still-unpublished op-ed, "Keep me posted on the thing with the Press Herald. I love that stuff. Let's see how the election goes." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
13:11
July 15, 2020
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel -2- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on June 29, 2006.   The discussion involved the breaking news that a Utah group of anti-polygamists called "Tapestry Against Polygamy" had got into trouble with their non-profit status and failing to report all of their donations.  This interview includes Mark Henkel's "using a bandaid with a chainsaw" soundbite to describe the tactics of that small Utah-local anti-polygamist group of hurting former members of specific Mormon-based cults.  Mark Henkel noted how that local group had, years previously, refused his (non-Mormon) organization's offer to help, and the group instead insisted on choosing the propaganda route of smearing all polygamists by their singular anecdotes of tragic experiences in local Mormon cults.  Mark Henkel noted that, by their propaganda-logic then, "if they live by the sword, die by the sword" of their over-generalization approach to propaganda - their flawed logic which he said more than once, "is, of course, absurd." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
04:18
July 8, 2020
MSNBC Scarborough Country interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Scarborough Country, hosted by Joe Scraborough on MSNBC, on March 28, 2006.   Talking about the groundbreaking premiere of HBO's "Big Love," fictional series about Mormon Polygamists, tow other guests also appreared in this segment, Megan Basham of Townhall.com and Dina Sansing of US Weekly.  The former, as a writer for a conservative website, tried to suggest that polygamists are not as positive as the show portrayed.  Mark Henkel explained how that assertion was propaganda as he gave the soundbite that the "world is larger than little Mormonland bubble of Arizona and Utah."  The latter, as a writer for an entertainment magazine, and noting the example of Megan Bashan (who had been talking over Mark Henkel with her false narrative claims), commented that the show's intent was to "push the boundaries" ton get people ignited and talking. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
05:48
July 1, 2020
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on June 3, 2006.  This interview referenced the June 5, 2006, cover of same sex magazine, The Advocate, headlined as "Polygamy and Gay Men."  That article led to the AFA.net calling for a boycott of Ford for its ad on the back cover.  That was followed by a conservative writer from the Heritage Foundation, Stanley Kurtz (who had been on the same TV segment as Mark Henkel on the 700 Club), who had authored a hostile anti-polygamy propaganda article for WordlNetDaily.com.  That later article then became the fodder for yet other hostile anti-polygamy articles such as in the National Review and in CrossTalk.com (the latter writtern by conservative Christian writer & radio nshow host, Albert Mohler).   They all attempted to connect the article in The Advocate (and its content of polyamory) as if that was supposedly representative of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  When these people were overtly aware of Mark Henkel and of what he actually advocates (with love-not-force), their deceit in their propaganda all revealed once again that conservative pundits & corporate media are and can easily every bit as dishonest as the liberal pundits & corporate media.   This interview also reveals the clever tactic that Mark Henkel took in response to this whole matter. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
15:50
June 24, 2020
NBC WNCN-TV Stephanie Baker interviewed Mark Henkel at WCSH-TV - 2007-11-29
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Stephanie Baker of NBC 17 WNCN-TV of Raleigh, North Carolina, conducted via satellite in the studio of NBC 6 WCSH-TV in Portland, Maine, on November 29, 2007.  The pre-interview occurred on November 7, 2007, with the follow-up call on the next day.  The recording did not pick up the audio of the reporter's questions in the final interview recorded for television. However, Mark Henkel's answers make it self-evident what was being asked. As NBC's Faith & Values Reporter, Stephanie Baker sought to inform an audience in the southern "Bible Belt" geography about the new movement of Christian Polygamy that had/has no connection to Mormon Polygamy at all.  This interview provided numerous powerful soundbites, incuding the following: "There is no such thing in the history of the universe of anybody ever escaping from polygamy. Thats about as ridiculous as saying somebody escaped from monogamy. People escape abuse.  They escape cults. And as normal consenting adult pro-polygamists around the country, our hearts have gone out to every single person who has suffered abuse. Unfortunately, they transform that abuse that they suffered at the hand of a cult, or suffered at the hand of abuse, and they turn around and they say, 'ALL polygamists did that.' But that's like trying to blame all Christianity for someone who comes out of a cult, say, the Jonestown cult of 30 years ago." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
41:06
June 17, 2020
CBS WGME-TV Jon Chrisos interviewed Mark Henkel after FOX KSAZ-TV - Apr 2016
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jon Chrisos of CBS WGME-TV 13 (and FOX23 WPFO-TV) of Portland, Maine, on April 21, 2016.  This additonal interview came right after an interview in the WGME studios, hired and used by the reporter Andrew Hasbun for FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona.  Becuase he was sitting through it to monitor Hasbun's interview of Mark Henkel, Jon Chrisos had more questions to ask as well. (That earlier Hasbun-interview was posted in the previous podcast.) This Chrisos-interview includes many of Mark Henkel's soundbites, including the soundbite, "My career is not based on my family, and my family is not based on my career" and "I often use the term, 'manufactured news outlets,' that it's creating news stories." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
09:47
June 10, 2020
FOX 10 Phoenix Andrew Hasbun interviewed Mark Henkel at WGME-TV - Apr 2016
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Andrew Hasbun for FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona, on April 21, 2016.  This was recorded in the Portland Maine studio of CBS affiliate WGME-TV 13 (and same owner of Maine's FOX23 WFPO-TV there too). Local Maine TV journalist, Jon Chrisos, oversaw and stood by while Arizona reporter, Andrew Hasbun, asked his questions of Mark Henkel through a speaker-phone.   As the source of numerous, powerful, and important soundbites, this interview is the source of clips shown both on the air in a special television report and on the website of FOX 10 Phoenix on May 24, 2016. (Please listen to the previous two podcasts to hear those too.) Note: after the interview concluded when Hasbun hung up his phone, Chrisos spent some additional time asking Mark Henkel questions too. But that separate interview is not part of this recording.  This is a must-hear interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
26:59
June 3, 2020
FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV added Mark Henkel extra soundbites - May 2016
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave these EXTRA SOUNDBITES for FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona, broadcast on May 24, 2016. The actual report contained clips from a taped interview conducted in the (hired by KSAZ-TV) television network studio of CBS WGME-TV 13 in Portland Maine on April 21, 2016.  Coming from that interview, these extra soundbites were announced and posted on the website and a social media page of FOX10Phoenix.com. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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May 27, 2020
FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2016
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona, broadcast on May 24, 2016. The report contained clips from a taped interview conducted in the (hired by KSAZ-TV) television network studio of CBS WGME-TV 13 in Portland Maine on April 21, 2016.  While everything else was accurate, this  FOX 10 Phoenix TV news report did make two small mistakes. They said that Mark Henkel "calls himself a National Polygamy Advocate ™" - when he actually IS that.  They also said, "Mark Henkel is an attorney" - when he actually was NOT that.   Notwithstanding those inaccuracies, the interview was otherwise positive and accurate, rightly capturing well over half a dozen of Mark Henkel's excellent soundbites and argumentations.  For one example, explaining how the US Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, on April 11, 2016, had (then-recently) reversed the previously-positive Brown v. Buhman decision as moot on lack of "legal standing," Mark Henkel first gave his well-renowned soundbite in this TV report, saying, "It was not reversed on the merits of any arguments whatsoever. They refused to hear any arguments at all." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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May 20, 2020
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on May 18, 2006.  Two days earlier, on May 16, 2006, the State Supreme Court of Utah had decided the Utah v. Holm case.  Mark Henkel offered the following soundbite, "National Polygamy organization says the decision criminalizes free speech."  On Page 12, Paragraph 28 of the decision, that court declared, "we conclude that the term 'marry' is not confined to legally recognized marriages."   That is, the free speech act of just saying/purporting to be a polygamist was sufficient to prosecute a polygamist, even if there was no more than one marriage license involved.  Mark Henkel pointed out how most of the media acts like a conspiracy to refuse to let polygamists defend themselves in media reports unless polygamists acquiesce to the media "requests" to put polygamous families and faces on display.  Such all-or-nothing "requests" perilously put such families in jailable jeopardy, especially after that which the Utah State Supreme Court had just decided about polygamists even just using such free speech.  Mark Henkel labelled these types of media requests as "Circus Act Requests" because they only seek to put families on display like a "circus act" under the unspoken "blackmail" of otherwise refusing/preventing the polygamists to accurately explain to the world what UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, is really about, if the extortionary "request" is declined.  Completely understanding that whole issue, the reporter positively joked, "Are you wearing tights, Mark?" (for the circus); both enjoyed a good chuckle with that humor.  This was one of numerous interviews with the Associated Press. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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May 13, 2020
Fox News Andrew O'Reilly interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2019
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Fox News by Andrew O'Reilly, on September 4, 2019.  Earlier that week, Utah State Senator Deidre Hederson announced that she would be proposing a new bill in the coming January 2020 session to reduce the crime of polygamy from a felony to an infraction (i.e., equivalent to a parking ticket).  The purpose of the proposed bill would be to empower polygamists to feel safe from prosecution to report real crimes without fear of their families being jailed and separated.  This interview sought Mark Henkel's "take" on this proposed bill.  While being hopeful, he intentionally lowered expectations with pessimism by explaining the larger problem of that geographic area: the religiocentric "Mormonland Bubble" of Utah/Arizona (et al) does not believe in "separation of church and state."  Mark Henkel explained how those ("Mormonland") State governments and nedia all obey the dictates the "mainstream" LDS institution by purposely and always refusing to accurately identify the differentiation of "Mormon polygamy" (from other polygamy) only because the LDS  institution dictates that "no one" (government or media) may use the adjective "Mormon" in news reporting about Mormon polygamists (et al) to actually be accurate.  This concise interview succinctly provides a detailed short-history of the anti-polygamy from the 1800s, the federal subterfuge that bypassed the 10th Amendment prohibition of Marriage Control, the modern Supreme Court decisions that would overturn anti-polygamy laws, and more.  Citing examples that no no one would criminalize all dieters because of Karen Carpenter, criminalize all teachers because of Mary Kay Letourneau, or criminalize all football coaches because of Jerry Sandusky, Mark Henkel showed the fallacy how it makes no sense to criminalize all UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, because of cults or criminals.  This interview also includes a number of powerful soundbites, including, "When you GENERALIZE to CRIMINALIZE, you TYRANNIZE."   (NOTE: The bill did successfully pass in both houses of the Utah State Legislature in March 2020, got signed by the Utah Governor, and was set to be effective on May 12, 2020.) http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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May 6, 2020
Portland Phoenix Jeff Inglis interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on April 30, 2009.  In the previous week, on April 22, 2009, the Maine State Legislature had conducted a Public Hearing on a pending law to legalize same sex marriage.  4,000 people attended this major event, including Mark Henkel who presented his "Neither For Nor Against" Testimony.  In this historic speech, Mark Henkel pointed out that which he called as the "Marriage Control" hypocrisies of both the "YES" and "NO" sides at the hearing.  Reporters Deirdre Fulton and Emily Parkhurst reported about Mark Henkel's Testimony in the April 30, 2009 issue of the newspaper.  The Managing Editor of this weekly newspaper also attended the Public Hearing.  He likewise witnessed Mark Henkel's Testimony as the National Polygamy Advocate ™; and, he thereafter also sought a separate interview for a later article to be published on May 13, 2009, titled, "After the Battle - Where will same-sex marriage be in 2010?"  Seeking to write this report himself, the Managing Editor was fascinated to learn more of (and to report on) the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate"  (as was first explained in Mark Henkel's Tesimony at the Public Hearing).  He had indeed understood how Mark Henkel's win-win proposal really could be a way that both sides could embrace and even ensure that everyone would be fully free.    (NOTE: As a consequence of that Public Hearing, the Maine State Legislature affirmatively voted on May 6, 2009, to become the 5th State to officially codify the legalization of same sex marriage. Even so, later that same year, on November 3, 2009, a Maine "People's Veto" referendum successully repealed that newly passed state law in Maine.  Five and half years later after that, though, on June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court decision, Hollingsworth v. Hodges, fully mandated legalized same sex marriage in all 50 of the United States.) This interview was conducted in a professional and genuinely friendly manner - even with both enjoying laughter together. In addition to providing a comprehensive education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the positivity with which this interview was conducted provides an excellent example, in and of itself, of how political liberals and conservatives can and should be able to more successfully discuss issues to solve things together. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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April 29, 2020
Don Lattin (Published Freelance) interviewed Mark Henkel - Aug 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on August 15, 2006, by Dan Lattin, a freelance writer for various publications who had formerly been the Religion Writer for the San Francisco Chronicle and its Sunday Magazine.  Published by Harper Collins, the writer is also an author of books about religion, faith, and spirituality.  (See DonLattin.com.) This interview occurred 5 months after HBO's premiere of its fictional TV show, "Big Love," about a Mormon Polygamous family.   Even so, the writer had done his homework and was aware of the difference between Mormon Polygamy and Christian Polygamy - even knowing about the latter's official standard of "Love-Not-Force."  For this interview, the writer was deliberately gathering in-depth information about Christian Polygamy for an essay/article that he would be independently pitching to such various other publications, including Vanity Fair.  This hour-long interview provides a comprehensive education about the movement, about its arguments and history, as well as about Mark Henkel himself (even about his church experience and background).  Regarding the scriptural and political arguments Mark Henkel makes for Christian Polygamy, the writer himself even positively proclaimed, "I actually think you DO have a very good argument. I mean it's kind of hard to refute your argument." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:01:01
April 22, 2020
FAZ.de (German newspaper) Katja Gelinsky interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Katja Gelinsky for the German newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung  (FAZ.de), on February 27, 2007.  The name as translated (from German to English) is "Frankfurt General Newspaper." This 45-minute interview provides a comprehensive education about the UCAP movement (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), Christian Polygamy and the Bible, and how Mark Henkel became the National Polygamy Advocate ™.  Mark Henkel also explains the "house of cards" political strategy, the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, how Christian leaders are paradigm-shifting, and how some would-be "conservative" writers such as Stanley Kurtz (of the National Review magazine) purposely misrepresent the polygamy movement because of their fear of others learning about Mark Henkel or the Christian and conservative arguments. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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April 15, 2020
Foster's Sunday Citizen Chloe Johnson interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Chloe Johnson for Foster's Sunday Citizen, of Foster's Daily Democrat, of Dover, New Hampshire, on May 3, 2007.  Just the previous week, on April 26, 2007, both houses of the New Hampshire State Legislature had passed a new same sex civil unions law.  For an article that she was preparing for the Sunday newspaper, the reporter wanted to know if that new law would lead to polygamy.   Mark Henkel gave her a comprehensive education about Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, from detailing the subterfuge of the 1878 Reynolds v. United States Supreme Court Decision, to citing New Hampshire's own state bigamy law, to explaining the Polygamy Rights Win-WIn Solution to end the marriage debate. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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April 8, 2020
Family News in Focus Kim Trobee interviewed Mark Henkel -2- Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Kimberly Trobee for Family News in Focus, the news division of James Dobson's Focus on the Famlly, in Colorado Sperings, Colorado, on March 14, 2006. This was the second of 2 interviews he gave that day for a subsequent report.  The reporter was friendly and positive.  She had 3 follow-up questions to ask.  Knowing that this media was serving an evangelical Christian audience, Mark Henkel used conservative Christian commonplace terminology.  Despite such a positive second interview in language that her Christian audience would embrace, the reporter's editor twisted the information into a #FakeNews report that intentionally mispreresented what the reporter had learned from  Mark Henkel about Christian Polygamy and UCAP, Unrelated Consenitng Adult Polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
05:46
April 1, 2020
Family News in Focus Kim Trobee interviewed Mark Henkel -1- Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Kimberly Trobee for Family News in Focus, the news division of James Dobson's Focus on the Family, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, on March 14, 2006.  This was the first of 2 interviews he gave that day for a subsequent on-air report.  The reporter was friendly and positive.  Knowing that this media was serving an evangelical Christian audience, Mark Henkel used conservative Christian commonplace argumentations and numerous Scriptual citations.  Mark Henkel explicitly explained, "We're definitely not trying to push or promote on the homosexual  agenda whatsoever.  The point being, we say that actually our argument is  the answer."  Even so, the reporter's editor twisted her report, changing it to dishonestly assert the 100% falsehood that supposedly, "Polygamists are demanding right to marry.  They say homosexuals showed them the way."  Both this and the second interview (still to come) revealed how intentionally false that that editor's later twisted claim was and it shows how positive and explanatory that this interview is for researchers wanting to learn Christian argumentations for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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March 25, 2020
Keeler in the Morning WXUR 92.7 interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2010
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Keeler in the Morning, hosted by Bill Keeler (and entourage), on WXUR, 92.7 The Drive, in Utica, New York, on January 12, 2010, to discuss issues pertaining to polygamy.  While also being humorous for the show, the host and entourage were consistently positive.  Because the town of Oneida, New York, is nearby to the station, the host brought up the historic "Oneida Community," known from the 1800s as  a "free love community."  Mark Henkel clarified that that concept is not the same as modern UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The interview went so well that, at one point, the host even declared, "I think, deep down, most women, and I say most not all, deep down, most women would truly like this polygamy thing." Mark Henkel immediately affirmed, "It is actually a very pro-woman thing," and then he cited examples.  This excellent interview provides many detailed educational answers and argumentations. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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March 18, 2020
BBC TV Harriet Pleming interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2003
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Harriet Pleming for the BBC, in London, England, on March 24, 2003.  Having previously given an interview a few months beforehand with a different BBC journalist, Mark Henkel was glad to help the BBC in their continuing research into the new movement of Christian Polygamy and the TruthBearer.org organization.  Mark Henkel explained the Reformation, "Sola Scriptura," how and why individual Bible-studying Christians come to discover and understand that the Bible never banned polygamy, and how the organization is "Continuing the Reformation."  Explaining how the organization does this for others and overall society, he said, "It is really a sociological process of paradigm shifting."  Mark Henkel even noted how some renowned Christian media elite have publicly paradigm-shifted, by their saying, "You won't find the Bible calling polygamy a sin, but we don't recommend it."  Mark Henkel also clarifed that normal polygamists around the country have nothing to do with Tom Green or with Brian David Mitchell who kidnapped teenager Elizabeth Smart.  To aid the BBC's research, Mark Henkel explained how Christians (from all forms and denominations - from Law-based to Grace-based beliefs), come to find, get support by, and join the TruthBearer.org organization as a para-church support organization, as well as how the overall movement seeks after de-criminalization, not legalization, of polygamy for unrelated consenting adults. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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March 11, 2020
Westwood One's Metro Networks interviewed Mark Henkel - Aug 2001
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Westwood One's MetroNetworks' MetroSource Radio News Wire, on August 24, 2001.   Criminal Tom Green, a rogue variant of Mormon Polygamist, had been sentenced for his convicted crimes.  Mark Henkel explained that Tom Green received a 5-year sentence for the charge of criminal non-support, while each of the four remaining 5-year sentences for bigamy were to be served concurrently, and $79,900 had to paid in restitution for the welfare fraud.  Noting the "concurrent" aspect of the sentences for bigamy, Mark Henkel declared the sound-bite, "Tom Green will NOT be serving any ACTUAL time in prison for 'bigamy.'"  Identifying criminal Tom Green as "the polygamy Tim MacVeigh," Mark Henkel explained that normal pro-polygamists had always and loudly opposed the real crimes (criminal non-support and underage crimes) of Tom Green.  At the end of the interview, Mark Henkel additionally detailed the standard of Love-not-Force, differentiating how real criminals and abusers of women have no connection with healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
19:07
March 4, 2020
Bulldog Live on The Pulse WTPL 107.7 interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bulldog Live on The Pulse, WTPL 107.7 FM, with host Brian Tilton, in Manchester, New Hampshire, on June 10, 2009.  A week earlier, the New Hampshire Governor had signed a then-new same sex marriage bill into law - one of the first few States to do so (following after Maine doing so the month before). The non-liberal host asked Mark Henkel to explain the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate."  After explaining that solution, Mark Henkel then said, "Conservatives are going to continue to lose the same sex marriage debate and then finally they're going to come home to true conservative limited government values."  He explained how anti-polygamy is the real slippery slope that led to supporters of same sex marriage copying that same approach of using big government to re-define marriage too.  The host was positive, was professional, and found himself enjoying the rational arguments in the discussion.  At the end, the host declared how "Newsweek quoted (Mark Henkel) as saying, 'If Heather can have 2 mommies, why can't she have 2 mommies and a daddy?'"  Then the host chuckled, sighed, and said, "Yeah... Exactly." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
19:01
February 26, 2020
CourtTV Bloom & Politan (Jeffrey Toobin) interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on the "OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan" television show with hosts Lisa Bloom and Vinnie Politan, on Court TV (the predecessor to TruTV), on Feburary 14, 2007, to discuss the trial of Arizona v. Bateman.  The interview followed the playing of actual testimony of the trial, directly involving members of the FLDS cult led led by criminal Warren Jeffs.  Mark Henkel adamantly clarified how that trial and that cult have nothing to with and do not represent healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, around the country.  Jeffrey Toobin, Senior Legal Analyst at CNN, filled-in for absent co-host Vinnie Politan.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 19, 2020
Newsweek Elise Soukup interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elise Soukup, for Newsweek magazine, on March 2, 2006, for an article later published in the March 20, 2006, issue, titled, "Polygamists, Unite!"  This 90-minute interview provided a comprehensive education of the principles and history of Christian Polygamy, the standard of Love-not-Force, the movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and how such various other forms of polygamy are each different from the doctrines and backgrounds of Mormon Poygamy.  Using his "sunny day vs rainy day" analogy, Mark Henkel detailed how the word, "polygamy," is a neutral noun that will have different premises, paradigms, and presuppositions based on the different adjectives that modify it - whether Christian Polygamy, Jewish Polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, Mormon Polygamy, etc.  Mark Henkel also elaborated on the  three modern-day  US Supreme Court decisions that make anti-polygamy anti-constitutional, and he also provided the history of the 1878 "Reynolds v. United States" anti-polygamy decision that was the "real slippery slope" that led to -and would cause- the legalization of same sex marriage (which did happen later in 2015). He said in this 2006 interview that, after same sex marriage does get legalized, conservatives should re-discover their conservative values of limited government and thereby embrace the polygamists' solution to end the marriage debate.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:28:22
February 12, 2020
The 700 Club on CBN Kim Bonney interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kim Bonney, for The 700 Club, on CBN, the Christian Broadcasting Network, in Washington DC, on June 28, 2005, for a report that was broadcast on August 16, 2005, titled, "Polygamy: The Next 'Right' to be Legalized?"   The report also aired on other networks on which The 700 Club was being broadcast, including TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and the cable network, Family Channel.   The show had flown Mark Henkel in from Maine to do this entire interview on video at their Washingon, DC studios.  This interview was the source that made history.  In the August 16, 2005, airing of the segment, the show reported,  "Polygamy has a range of defenders, including  evangelical Christians. Mark Henkel is founder of the Christian polygamy  organization, TruthBearer.org. He says Christian polygamists believe  husbands are called to love their wives, as Christ loved the churches,  according to Scripture.."  That was the first time that the two words "Christian" and "polygamy" were no longer misperceived as a "contradiction in terms" and  the first time that the movement itself was recognized as indeed being actual Christians, including evangelical Christians.  The aired report included a number of other key quotes from this historic interview, as well.  The woman reporter who conducted the interview was completely professional, polite, pleasant, and positive throughout the interview.  For other listeners who do not follow or believe in the Christian faith, this interview also provides powerful lessons on what and how to use the commonplace terms & rhetoric that will (and do!) persuade Christians to support the liberty and de-criminalization of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  For researchers, this is the interview that caused history to be made! http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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February 5, 2020
The Poughkeepsie Journal Rasheed Oluwa interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2003
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Rasheed Oluwa, for The Poughkeepsie Journal, in Poughkeepsie, New York, on April 16, 2003, for an article published on April 28, 2003, titled, "In marriage, three's a crowd -- and a crime." That article was written for a "Crime Beat" section of the newspaper, regarding a local story of a man (who had not yet divorced one wife before marrying another) who had been charged with bigamy in New York.  In this educational interview, Mark Henkel defined bigamy (as a a legal term for all "Secondary" marriages under law) vs. polygamy, secret or "dishonest bigamy" (unconsented fraud) vs. "honest polygamy" (consented choice), Christian Polygamy vs. Mormon Polygamy, the deep pschyological challenge for people when they first learn about unrelated consenting adult polygamy, how people often commit acts of "insanity to retain their sanity" as illustrated via a lesson-example from George Orwell's book, "1984", how normal polygamists always and adamantly opposed the criminals of Tom Green and the kidnappers of  Elizabeth Smart in Utah, how the media make money by only reporting sensationalism and not the regular stories of normal polygamists not committing crimes, and many more argumentations too.  (For historical reference, this interview took place before the Lawrence v. Texas decision by the US Supreme Court, later that year, on June 26, 2003.) As this interview was so comprehensive, the reporter himself even responded a number of separate times, by saying, "Cool!"  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 29, 2020
Waking Up with the Wolf WPYX interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2010
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Waking Up with the Wolf, on WPYX 106.5 FM, in Albany, New York, on January 18, 2010.  The show was hosted by Bob “Wolf” Wohlfeld along with co-hosts named as Lovee, Ellen, and Mickey.  This somewhat jovial interview addresses many of the common quesitons about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 22, 2020
The Boston Herald Jessica Heslam interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Boston Herald by Jessica Heslam, in Boston, Massachusetts, on May 9, 2006.  The new fictional TV show called, "Big Love," had been successfully running on HBO during the previous weeks - so successfully that the network had then reported its authorization to begin recording for a second season.  The interview with this reporter seemed to be positive.  She asked genuinely good questions. "Is the show an accurate account of polygamy?"  "What myths does it dispel?"  "Has the show done more harm than good, or more good than harm?"  Mark Henkel provided numerous insights, including how the modern LDS try to get media to not accurately differentiate Mormon Polygamy from other polygamy, by removing the adjective "Mormon" so that reports sound like they are reporting about "all" polygamists in general.  Mark Henkel explained that, if the polygamy comes from (and uses) the theology (and doctrines) from the Book of Mormon (and Mormonism), then it is Mormon Polygamy no matter how much the LDS institution does not like to admit that fact.  Despite such positivity and deep education given in this interview, the eventual article, published on May 14, 2006, propagandized otherwise, titled as, "Hit show gets to dark heart of polygamy." Despite having interviewed the leading, established national expert on the topic, and using no other credible sources and anti-polygamists who only know about cult-based & Mormon Polygamy experiences, the hostile article made no differentiation.  The resulting  article only referenced Mark Henkel as "one expert" without even mentioning his name, the organization, the national movement, or the differentiation of the evarious forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The article was clearly an exactly-provable example of what would be known in punditries of the 2010s as "Fake News," and it explicitly illustrates why Mark Henkel originated in the 2000s, the term, "Manufactured News Corporations" (or, "Manufactured News outlets"), to describe how these kinds of false reports get published to continue false propaganda.  No rational listener of this interview could come to the conclusion of the resulting article. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
16:41
January 15, 2020
The Arizona Republic Linda Valdez interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Arizona Republic by Linda Valdez, in  Phoenix, Arizona, on July 3, 2006.  The reporter, having written previous articles about the Mormon polygamists in what Mark Henkel calls the "Mormonland bubble" of Utah/Arizona, was rather biased in her thereby thinking that "all" polygamy is supposedly associated with the crimes of the criminal cult FLDS, Warren Jeffs, and Tom Green from the previous years.  She learned much from this extensive education on many related issues. Mark Henkel definitively differentiated the difference between Mormon Polygamy vs Christian Polygamy and how other different forms of polygamy are defined by their respective applicable adjectives.  He also expained how, despite the "mainstream LDS" demands that media obey their religious institution and not use the word "Mormon" to identify Mormon Polygamy (to instead call them as the unmodifed term, "polygamist"), doing that is a false description that wrongly and misleadingly suggests that all other forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, supposedly also do whatever the crimes those media stories are reporting. Numerous arguments about polygamy in the Bible were explained.  The "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate was expained. And Mark Henkel detailed how de-criminalizing polygamy for junrelated consenting adults can pro-actively give victims of other real crimes the freedom to openly and safely report those crimes without fear that their polygamous familes could still be destroyed by law enforcement.  This hour-plus interview unquestionably provides any listener with a comprehensive education about the issues. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:11:23
January 8, 2020
The Al Rantel Show (John Phillips) KABC interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Al Rantel Show (with John Phillips as the fill-in host) TalkRadio 790 KABC, in Los Angeles, California, on May 12, 2009.   Days earlier, on May 6, 2009, Mark Henkel's home state of Maine had become the 5th State to formally legalize same sex marriage in law.  (NOTE: thatMaine  law was subsequently repealed by a "People's Veto" referendum vote, later in the year, on November 3, 2009.)  The show's namesake host, who had been known as a public "gay conservative," had been out, due to severe medical issues. This interview took place in the month before the namesake host formally retired altogether.   The fill-in host asked many good questions as well as some stereotypical and silly questions.  Even though Maine's then-new law had just legalized same sex marriage that week, the law still did not legalize UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel had been very familiar with that new law, as he presented a formal "Neither For Nor Against" testmony at the "Public Hearing" in Augusta, Maine, on April 22, 2009.  In this interview with the fill-in host, Mark Henkel explained that pro-polygamists do not seek legalization anyway, only de-criminlization, because government has no authority to define, license, or control the contractual arrangements of unrelated consenting adults.   Mark Henkel also addressed different practicality issues and he provided answers for callers in to the show.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
36:03
January 1, 2020
Court TV Morning Radio Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel - Dec 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on December 22, 2006.  The first 2:45 time-count of the recording includes the pre-interview setup with the show's producer who states that Mark Henkel is one of the host's favorite past guests and that that was why the host invited Mark Henkel to appear on this "Christmas Special" show.  During the main interview, the host asked many good and fun questions about the logistics of how polygamists celebrate the Christmas holidays.  This was a very fun "Christmas Special" interview indeed. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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December 25, 2019
The Ed Tyll Show (Syndicated) interviewed Mark Henkel - Dec 2013
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Ed Tyll Show, syndicated on the Starcom Radio Network, on December 30, 2013.  Earlier that year, the US Supreme Court made its decisions in the same sex marriage cases cases of Hollingsworth v. Perry and United States v. Windsor on June 26, 2013 .  Earlier from those prior two weeks, 2 landmark decisions (affecting only the State of Utah)  in the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah had been decided: Brown v. Buhman (12/13/13, decided by Judge Clark Waddoups, de-criminalizing "de facto polygamy" in Utah) and Kitchen v. Herbert (12/20/13, decided by Judge Robert Shelby, legalizing same sex marriage in Utah). To discuss the impact of these court decisions upon UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the host asked legitimate and positive questions.  Having been interviewed on this show previously, Mark Henkel's answers provided an even more comprehensive education on the issues of polygamy, marriage control, and freedom.  Having learned even that much more in this interview, the host ended up saying to Mark Henkel, "You're really good at this.  One thing polygamy needs is credibility from its spokepeople." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
34:58
December 18, 2019
NewsRadio 1620 WNRP Branden Rathert interviewed Mark Henkel - Dec 2013
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Branden Rathert, on Live Talk Radio on NewsRadio 1620 in Pensacola, Florida, on December 23, 2013, following 2 landmark decisions (affecting the State of Utah) during that prior 10 days at the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah: Brown v. Buhman (12/13/13, decided by Judge Clark Waddoups) and Kitchen v. Herbert (12/20/13, decided by Judge Robert Shelby).  The first decision had de-crininalized "de facto polygamy" (i.e., polygamous marriages without additional marriage licenses).  The second decision had determined that it was state-uncontsitutional for a Utah law to ban same sex couples from marriage.  In the latter decision, Judge Shelby declared, "The State of Utah has provided no evidence that opposite-sex marriage will be affected in any way by same-sex marriage. In the absence of such evidence, the State’s unsupported fears and speculations are insufficient to justify the State’s refusal to dignify the family relationships of its gay and lesbian citizens."  The host himself asked Mark Henkel if that precedent could also apply to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - to which Mark Henkel affirmed that it would apply indeed. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 11, 2019
Portland Press Herald Seth Harkness interviewed Mark Henkel -2- Dec 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Seth Harkness for the Portland Press Herald, on December 14, 2006, as the second of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published in the December 15, 2006, edition of this local Portland, Maine, newspaper, titled, "In Maine, supporter argues for polygamy."  This was the follow-up interview to the first interview of November 29, 2006.   The reporter noted that he had since been told by leaders at Maine's Christian Civic League that their argument was that there are (supposedly) no examples of polygamy in the New Testament, that polygamy is suppposedly "only" in the Old Testament.  Mark Henkel easily refuted that by noting how Jesus self-described Himself as a polygamist n Mathew 25:1-13, something that the sinless Lord and Savior would never do if polygamy was a "sin."  At 21:33, after this second interview ended, the reporter called back that same day for last-minute details.  Mark Henkel used that calback to add one more refutation to the Christian Civic League's asserted claim, as he showedg how Paul gave a "commandment of God" in 1 Corinthians 7 that would apply to "commanding" polygamy in the New Testament. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 4, 2019
Portland Press Herald Seth Harkness interviewed Mark Henkel -1- Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Seth Hartkness for the Portland Press Herald, on November 29, 2006, as the first of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published in the December 15, 2006, edition of this local Portland, Maine, newspaper, titled, "In Maine, supporter argues for polygamy." The reporter had read an Associated Press (AP) article that his newspaper had published days earlier on November 24, 2006, titled, "Polygamists Say Jeffs case Paints Distorted Picture." This hour-long first inteview for the Portland Press Herald provided numerous argumentations, explaining both Christian Polygamy and UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Regarding Henkel's renowned soundbite that "Polygamy is the Next Civil Rights Battle," Henkel clarified,  "With my soundbite, oftentimes, people then suggest that we are 'riding the coattails of so-called same sex marriage.' And actually, anytime anybody ever says that, there are four letters that should be plastered on their forehead: L-I-A-R, because we are NOT riding on the coattails of the homosexuals."  Henkel explained how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution actually brings an end to the whole marriage debate.  He also provided story-examples of unidentified members of the TruthBearer.org organization, showing how some families have come together and thrive, and also showing how even civil law has been used to abuse polygamists in court only because the anti-polygamy laws are on the books. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 27, 2019
Court TV Morning Radio Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on November 22, 2006.  This was a callback interview (from previous apppearances on the show), following the trial of Warren Jeffs, the cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints.  Opposing that cult and its leader, Mark Henkel explained how the hearing revealed that the trial was not even about polygamy.  Namely, at that time, Jeffs was only charged with forcing the arranged marriage of an unmarried 19 year young man to his own cousin who was only 14.  The host was friendly, professional, and made it adamantly clear that Mark Henkel and UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, have nothing to do with - and even outright oppose -  the real crimes connected to Jeffs and the FLDS.  As this was during the same week as Thanksgiving holiday in the US, the host made some fun final comments at the end about imagining the "holiday table" of polygamists. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 20, 2019
KIFI LocalNews8 Karole Honas interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for KIFI LocalNews8 by Karole Honas on April 25, 2006, in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  Recorded as a "phoner" during the premiere season of HBO's show, Big Love, the veteran tv journalist was seeking both information and soundbites  for news "packages" that would appear over two or three nights of the local news network.  She was thoroughy fascinated to learn of the new movement of Christian Polygamy, and that it is unconnected to Mormon Polygamy.  Clarifying that, even though non-polygamous LDS do not like the "Mormon"-word being attached to Mormon Polygamists, Mark Henkel gave the soundbite, "If it's based on the Book of Mormon, it's Mormon Polygamy."  The journalist was very positive, professional, and friendly throughout the interveiw.  She even proclaimed, "I'm beginning to wonder if evangelical Christians might not be onto something. You're definitely very protective of no abuse, no children marriage, no forced-to-go brides."  As she explained how her Eastern Idaho audience was "mostly LDS," she declared, "I am personally not LDS, I'm Methodist.  Like I said, I'm 50 years old, I've gone through the feminist movement. There are arguments that you're making that make total sense to me." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 13, 2019
Stateline Kavan Peterson interviewed Mark Henkel - Sep 2003
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Stateline by Kavan Peterson on September 23, 2003.  Stateline.org is a states policy focused reporting organization, founded by The Pew Charitable Group, that "uses evidence-based, nonpartisan analysis to solve today's challenges."  Conducted three months after the US Supreme Court decided the Lawrence v. Texas case. this comprehensive 53-minute interview is both historically significant and outright prescient.  To wit, Mark Henkel predicted that same sex marriage would indeed become legalized precisely BECAUSE of the arguments then being made by conservatives.  Using the commonplace rhetoric of limited government conservatism (in seeking to persuade copnservatives), and thereby referring to specifically-conservative Christian Polygamists as the "Older Brothers," Mark Henkel provided the following quote. "We're really not after legalization. We're after de-criminalization. We believe that when you go down the legalization path, you have to start defining forms of marriage. And once you start doing that, that's when you open up the door for DISCRIMINATION and all that. That's where I would say that our "Little Brothers" - many of the conservatives -  are making the mistake.  By arguing that government has authority, and in all their hysteria that government "should" be defining it ('We must have one man one woman definition!' and all that), by doing that, and THEN BY NOT SUCCEEDING, they will have GIVEN the argument to force homosexual marriage... They will have lost BECAUSE they gave that argument by saying government has the authority to define marriage in the first place."  Over the next 12 years after that quote was given in this interview, that is is exactly what happened as same sex marrriage eventually became nationally legalized via Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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November 6, 2019
CNS News Randy Hall interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for CNS News by Randy Hall on March 6, 2006, for an article, published on March 16, 2006, titled, "Polygamy Is 'Next Civil Rights Battle,' Activists Say."  The call letters, "CNS," stand for Cybercast News Service; and, it is one of the most well-known conservative-based news services, founded by L. Brent Bozell of his conservative organization, Media Research Center (MRC).   After finding Mark Henkel's well-known soundbite, "Polygamy Rights is the Next Civil Rights Battle," Staff writer and Editor Randy Hall sought to report about it.  He interviewed Mark Henkel to find out if there was a connection between that soundbite, the polygamy rights movement, and the 2003 statement from Senator Rick Santorum (about how the "right to privacy" argument in the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas case would make it unconstitutional to still ban polygamy).  What he learned was de-criminalization, the "true conservative limited government" position, the Biblical arguments, how Christian Polygamy is not the same as Mormon Polygamy, how the "liberal activist judges" of the 1878 Supreme Court concocted a nationwide marriage control precedent with Reynolds v. United States that would never survive a 10th Amendment challenge in the States, and so much more. Purposely using the exactly-targeted conservative-based commonplace terminology and rhetoric that conservatives and Christians exclusively recognize and use themselves, Mark Henkel's answers serendipitously transformed this interview into becoming one of the most comprehensive and persuasive interviews by to which to specifically and  successfully persuade conservatives and Christians about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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October 30, 2019
The Washington Blade Joe Crea interviewed Mark Henkel - Dec 2003
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Washington Blade by Joe Crea on December 12, 2003, for an article, published on December 26, 2003, titled, "Polygamy advocates buoyed by gay court wins (Some see sodomy, marriage opinions as helping their cause)."  That year, the US Supreme Court had decided the Lawrence v. Texas case, and the Massachusetts State Superme Court had decided the Goodridge (et al.) v. Department of Public Health case.  This newspaper is reported to be the the oldest LGBT newspaper in the United States., and the reporter wanted to find out about and report on the pre-polygamy reaction to these court cases.  The resulting article from this interview was cited by various anti-polygamists, including by the "Family Research Council" (FRC) more than a decade after the article was published. (The FRC is a Christian political organization that has always been too timid to speak directly with Mark Henkel, but has referenced his work various times. ) Mark Henkel presented the Christian & Conservative arguments, the differences between Christian Polygamy and Mormon Polygamy, and the applicability of the Court cases to UCAP Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, all while knowing that he was speaking to an LGBT audience in that time of 2003.  This interview shows how the formal Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution would simultaneously protect the rights all sides of the debate for same sex marriage. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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October 23, 2019
The Dave Show KUCI David Waldram interviewed Mark Henkel - Oct 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Dave Show, on 88.9FM KUCI, on October 25, 2006, hosted by David Waldram, in Irvine, Califnornia.  Over the previous 2 months, FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs, who had been on the FBI's Ten Ten Most Wanted list, had been caught, filling the news cycles with stereotypical and hostile reports supposedly "about polygamy."  The host, who also identified himself as an Interfaith Community Leader,  as well as a radio host and an independent documentary film producer, wanted to have a show discussing polygamy from an insider perspective.  The 20-minute pre-interview has also been included before the 54-minute live show itself. This interview is one of the most rhetorically-comprehensive interviews to empower students and researchers with insights into the applicable and real issues, concepts, and arguments of Christian Polygamy, of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), and of the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate.  The host expressed how much he thoroughly both enjoyed and learned from this interview.  At the end, the host declared (particularly to anyone else seeking actual legalization of same sex marriage), "To me, whatever your views and debate are,  …if you're going to fight for same gender marriages, then you should equally be in support of legalizing polygamy and any other consenting adult relationship. ...It seems like its an either-or thing."  Regarding Mark Henkel, the host positively concluded, "The fellow's got a point; he really has a point - and I thought he very, VERY articulately and accurately described his point." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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October 16, 2019
TalkSPORT Radio England Charlie Wolf interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2001
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "talkSPORT Radio" from London, England, with (American-born) host Charlie Wolf, on May 20, 2001, two days after Tom Green had been convicted of one count of criminal non-support and four counts of bigamy.  This matter and this interview occurred before Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015,  before the raid of the FLDS cult raid in 2008,  before the conviction of  Mormon-based FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs, and even before Lawrence v. Texas in 2003.  The host had brought a Mormon polygamist, who was friend and apologist of Tom Green,  on to the show to actually defend the very real crimes that Tom Green had done (and about which most polygamists vehemently opposed).  Mark Henkel adamantly differentiated that Christian Polygamy and overall UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, have nothing to do with the Tom Green "baggage" of underage crimes, marrying step daughters, welfare fraud, and other such real-crime issues.  Mark Henkel also explained the dffferences between Christian Polygamy and Mormon Polygamy, as well as the different definitions of polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, and bigamy.  As the official, formal public voice standing against Tom Green (and the real crimes that that criminal had committed), Mark Henkel was thereby successfully laying down the groundwork for the growth of the overall polygamy rights movement for unrelated connseting adults, as being as normal as everyone else in not being connected to such real criminals as Tom Green.  Immediately before the interview starts in this podcast, the following is spoken as a CAVEAT: "This rare interview from the year 2001, was recorded using imperfect audiocassette tape technology. Although the sound quality of this interview is unfortunately less than optimal, it is still being made available here for history and archiving purposes. Thank you for understandning and for listening to this rare interview from 2001." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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October 9, 2019
The Daily Orange Nicholas Mokey interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was for The Daily Orange by Nicholas Mokey on March 20, 2006.  This was for the newspaper of Syracuse University in Syracuse, New York, following the new series of HBO's then-new seris, "Big Love."  This comprehensive interview provides many of the standard argumentations that Mark Henkel uses to differentiate various forms of polygamy and to explain the numerous argumentations for how the Christian Polygamy form is absolutely in accordance with the Bible. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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October 2, 2019
Jamie Floyd Best Defense CourtTV interviewed Mark Henkel -3- Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "Jamie Floyd: Best Defense" on the television network, Court TV, on September 26, 2007.  Host Jami Floyd was a former defense attorney who had been a legal consultant for various television networks, aside from her own program.  This interview was the third of a number of times that Mark Henkel was brought on this TV program as the expert during the trial of FLDS criminal cult leader Warren Jeffs.  In this interview, Warren Jeffs had been found guilty of arranging the forced arranged marriage of a 14 year old girl with her monogamous 19 year old cousin - it had nothing to do with polygamy.  Mark Henkel was able to adamantly differentiate normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, as not being connected to the criminal Warren Jeffs or those crimes whatsoever.  This interview included clips of the in-court testimony of the girl at the trial - to which Mark Henkel compassionately identified as heart-wrenching. As the host had always been previously in these interviews, Jami Floyd was very professional, friendly, understood every argumentation, and was yet again happy to want Mark Henkel back on for future episodes during any later hearings on the matter. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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September 25, 2019
Houston Press Keith Plocek interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Keith Plocek for Houston Press, in Houston, Texas, on March 21, 2006.  After seeing a report in Newsweek magazine involving Mark Henkel, the reporter wanted to do an article about polygamy.  Mark Henkel, knowing that he was speaking to a newspaper in  a Bible Belt state with conservative Christians, spelled out the Christian and Conservative arguments of the new movement of Christian Polygamy and how it is different from Mormon Polygamy.  The  reporter acknowledged that what he learned from this interview was more (and sensible) than what he had thought going in to it, even as he "went in to it without any pre-conceived notions."  The reporter even said that the argumentations are "well worked out."  This interview provides numerous Biblical arguments, including Mark Henkel's soundbite of the 3 reasons why supporters of OMOW (One Man One Woman) can not use the Adam & Eve story to justify a big goverment marriage control amendment.  This interview shows how both the conservative and liberal positions require both to embrace the polygamy rights win-win solution to end the marriage control debate.  It also explains why the "tolerance" dogma makes it easy to persuade liberals, so the focus is more on persuading Conservatives and Christians.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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September 18, 2019
LaPresse Sylvie St Jacques interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Sylvie St. Jacques for LaPresse,  in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, on June 6, 2006.  This was a general Q&A interview for the French-Canadian-speaking newspaper, seeking soundbites and background, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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September 11, 2019
Court TV Morning Radio Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel - Sep 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on September 5, 2006.  This was following the arrest and extradition of Warren Jeffs, the cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints.  Mark Henkel was respectfully given the opportunity to clarify that UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) has nothing do with that criminal, cult, or its crimes, and to differentiate the different forms (Mormon polygamy, Christian polygamy, secular polygamy, etc.).  Speaking with callers to the show, Mark Henkel also provided his longer-soundbite of three specific reasons why Christians can not rationally use the "Adam & Eve" story to justify using government marriage conrol to enforce an unbiblical "One Man One Woman" (OMOW) doctrine. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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September 4, 2019
NewsRadio 1020 KDKA Shelley Duffy interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for NewsRadio 1020 KDKA by Lifestyle and Entertainment Editor, Shelley Duffy, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on March 27, 2006.  This was a general Q&A interview (including a brief amount of unexpected technical difficulties), seeking soundbites from Mark Henkel as the National Polygamy Advocate ™, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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August 28, 2019
The Tom Barberi Show 97.5 FM Talk KFMS interviewd Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Tom Barberi Show on 97.5 FM Talk, KFMS, in Salt Lake City, Utah, on March 13, 2006, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love." The host was a Utah-locally-renowned liberal/progressive commentator whose tagline claimed to be for "legalizing adulthood" as the host being "the voice of reason."  As the host had just, moments-previously, interviewed a painfully hostile anti-Mormon polygamy group that existed back then in Utah (who wrongly blamed "all polygamy" for the horrible crimes committed by specific fundamental Mormom polygamy based cults), the host was repeatedly hostile, mockery, and directing questions intended to discredit or to disparage.  Mark Henkel stood strong and gave rapid, educational, and conprehensive replies, using the "neutral noun is not modified by a missing adjective" argumentation, and more.  As the host had not succeeded in discrediting or disaparaging, he chose to end the interview with a self-laughing mockery, "Maybe at some point, when you get your own show, we can just listen to you go and on about this." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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August 21, 2019
Culture Shocks with Barry Lynn (Syndicated) interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Culture Shocks with Barry Lynn, nationally syndicated, on April 11, 2006.  The interview itself occurred on March 27, 2006, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love." The host is a renowned politically liberal/progressive commentator, media-known for being counterpart to the co-host Pat Buchanan in the 1990s (a conservative Presidential Candidate in both the Republican and the Reform Parties), and the host also is head of a progressive organization named, the Americans United for Separation of Church and State.   Serving that particularly liberal/progressive audience on his own show, the self-identified "great liberal" host remained very professional and polite on the show, asking very good questions.  Some unknown situation was decided by the syndicated hierarchy in the background during the interview that caused the interview from not being aired "live" that evening, to then being pushed to Wednesday, March 29th, and to then eventually airing on Tuesday, April 11, 2006.  From Bible arguments, to genuinely helping abandoned single moms in the modern cultural tragedy of marriage-phobic "playas" and "baby daddies," to case law analysis, Mark Henkel was able to provide many good insights and answers in a very intellectual discussion.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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August 14, 2019
Understanding the Law interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2015
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Understanding the Law with Peter Lamont, on UTLradio.com, on June 29, 2015.   On the Monday weekly 2-hour legal review that the host would present each week with co-host Bob Hughes, this episode was coming after the 3-days-earlier historic decision by the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS), Obergefell v. Hodges (6/26/2015), that formally legalized same sex marriage.  The host is an attorney who self-identified as a Christian (Russian Orthodox) who defends equality and fairness.  The co-host is a Republican who self-identified as non-religious.  The host and co-host interviewed Mark Henkel on this episode between the times of 12:56 and 41:34.  The show opened with a  reading and detailing of the Court's Opinions & Dissents from Obergefell v. Hodges.  The host then welcomed Mark Henkel to answer the fundamental question that both conservatives and liberals have to consider in the wake of that SCOTUS Decision.  How can it then still be possible, or fair, or even about equality if this decision still allows government to still deny and even criminalize UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy?  Mark Henkel's gave answers that were so helpful and definitive that the two co-hosts continued talking about the matter for 15  additional minutes afterward.  Their continued conversation (without Mark Henkel) is included here to demonstrate the impact for history and future researchers of this history.  Truly, this interview is one for all liberals and conservatives alike to listen, learn, contemplate, and take action. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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August 7, 2019
Richmond's Morning News Jimmy Barrett WRVA interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Richmond's Morning News with Jimmy Barrett on 1140 WRVA, in Richmond, Virginia, on March 14, 2006.   That month, polygamy had just become a "hot topic" for talk radio as the new HBO TV show, "Big Love," had just premiered that month, being the very first series (fiction) to show polygamy in a non-criminal manner.  (In the pre-interview setup, beeps are used to protect the privacy of a telephone number.) Both WRVA overall and this show specifically served a conserative Christian audience in the Bible Belt, and the well-known host was surprised to learn that there are indeed evangelical Christian arguments being made for UCPA Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The host asked his questions very professionally, respectfully, and positively.  This interview became another good example for teaching and learning how to make the case specifically to conservative evangalical Christian audiences http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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July 31, 2019
The Dom Giordano Show WPHT 1210 interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Dom Giordano Show, on The BigTalker 1210 WPHT, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on March 16, 2006.   The issue of polygamy had just become a "hot topic" for talk radio as the new HBO show, "Big Love," had just premiered that month, being the very first series (fiction) to show polygamy in a non-criminal manner.  The host is the show's renowned namesake, long established on a network committed to serving a politically conservative and Christian audience.  The host was positive, professional, surprised, and was able to rightly acknowledge the powerful answers and differentiations that Mark Henkel had presented.  Callers, however, called in to fight; and, Mark Henkel also did not disappoint in this arena.  This interview provides a powerful and educational lesson on how to frame, present, and argue with conservatives and Christians about Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP).  He showed how, with One Man One Woman (OMOW) big government marriage control, conservatives betray their own limited government values and Christians commit the largest "sin" of all as the Christian leaders have "gone the way of Jeroboam son of Nebat" to lead their people into the idolatry of "worshipping the false god of big socialist government."  Being a show with a radio talk format designed for rhetorical battle, and therefore by his intentionally using their own conservative and Christian positions and arguments, Mark Henkel thoroughly and strongly "schooled" the callers. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
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July 24, 2019