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National Polygamy Advocate

National Polygamy Advocate

By Mark Henkel
Mark Henkel is the National Polygamy Advocate ™, presenting polygamy to the public for over 25 years to show why your own values compel you to repeal all Big Government Marriage Control laws that anti-Constitutionally ban UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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In consideration for his participation in all media interviews, all such interviews were conducted under the irrevocable terms and conditions that Mark Henkel retained and retains full and complete rights to broadcast elsewhere any of such interviews on any media in which he participated.
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The 700 Club on CBN Kim Bonney interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2005

National Polygamy Advocate

The 700 Club on CBN Kim Bonney interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2005

National Polygamy Advocate

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FOXNews Greta Van Susteren (Kerry O'Connor) interviewed Mark Henkel -5- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 5th time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on June 27, 2006. This was the fifth of nine (5of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. Mark Henkel had noted that the three-year-anniversary (6/26/2006) of the US Supreme Court decision of Lawrence v. Texas (6/25/2003) had passed, removing their opportunity to use that news-story as the way to get him onto the show. The producer followed-up with more questions about the then-current story about “Heartland Ministry” in Missouri having their children removed by the federal government. Mark Henkel said that he could find no connection to polygamy. The producer admitted that the suggestion had come from an attorney for the government. Mark Henkel replied that that person was simply a rumor-mongerer.  The interview also brought up how renowned Christian leader, Jerry Falwell, was fully and publicly aware of Mark Henkel over the previous three years. The reporter stated that she knew Falwell’s publicity people and that she would see if that might open a way to bring Mark Henkel onto the show. The producer re-iterated that they need to come up with some "angle" they can use for her to pitch to her bosses as the way to get Mark Henkel onto the show. Again, subsequent interviews between the two will be broadcast in the forthcoming podcast episodes. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
21:52
October 20, 2021
FOXNews Greta Van Susteren (Kerry O'Connor) interviewed Mark Henkel -4- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 4th time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on June 5, 2006. This was the fourth of nine (4of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006.  In this interview, the producer asked about a then-current story about “Heartland Ministry” in Missouri having their children removed, and how the federal government had dropped an innuendo that that Christian community “might” also be “involved in polygamy.” When Mark Henkel called it a rumor and asked who had put that rumor out, the producer said that it was “from the government.”  Mark Henkel said that he had never heard of the ministry but said he would put “feelers” out within his organization for more information.  This interview addressed other issues as well. Mark Henkel gave a new version of his “right to imagination” soundbite in which he explained that people even have a right to believe that “square wheels will roll,” but government has no authority to marriage control. He also provided an extensive education about the actual anti-polygamy case of the 1878 US Supreme Court Decision, Reynolds v. United States. Impressed with Mark Henkel’s extensive knowledge of the case and the US Constitution, the producer said, “It’s amazing that you hold that all in your head.” She said she would check out the legal issues and see if they can come up with a “pitch” to get Mark Henkel on the show. In the end, the producer re-iterated, “I appreciate that you call me, I really do. Don't feel like you shouldn't.” The subsequent interviews between the two will be broadcast in the forthcoming podcast episodes. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
19:47
October 13, 2021
FOXNews Greta Van Susteren (Kerry O'Connor) interviewed Mark Henkel -3- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 3rd time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on June 5, 2006. This was the third of nine (3of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. As Warren Jeffs was still "on the lam," and the first season of HBO’s “Big Love” was still be broadcast, the producer for this show on FOX had, in previous discussions wiht Mark Henkel, wanted to present "the other side of polygamy." In the previous interview (on May 25, 2006), she had been seeking to get Mark Henkel on the show for June 2, 2006. That did not happen. Other news had called the producer away. Mark Henkel kept trying to reach her by phone until the call succeeded on June 5, 2006. Together, they discussed how US President George W. Bush was about to speak that day about the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment, which was about to start being debated in the Senate the next day, on the date of 6/6/6. The producer needed to have her meeting with the host, and she planned to speak again later with Mark Henkel.  When she did not call back, Mark Henkel called again on June 7, 2006, but only got voicemail. This was also a short discussion; even so, it is essential to inform of the pattern of calls between the producer and Mark Henkel over the months in 2006. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
04:12
October 6, 2021
FOXNews Greta Van Susteren (Kerry O'Connor) interviewed Mark Henkel -2- May 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 2nd time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on May 25, 2006.  This was the second of nine (2of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. As Warren Jeffs was still "on the lam," and the first season of HBO’s “Big Love” was still be broadcast, the producer for this show on FOX wanted to present "the other side of polygamy."  The producer said that she almost had called Mark Henkel on Friday, May 19th, to have him on, but other breaking news happened.  They discussed possible logistics for his possibly being on the show the following Friday (June 2).  The producer said that the host was out “fighting gators in Florida” (and other stories) and that the producer would speak with that host the next day.  This was a short discussion; even so, it is essential to inform of the pattern of calls between the producer and Mark Henkel over the months in 2006. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
03:29
September 29, 2021
FOXNews Greta Van Susteren (Kerry O'Connor) interviewed Mark Henkel -1- May 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on May 18, 2006.  This was the first of nine (1of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. As Warren Jeffs was still "on the lam," and the first season of HBO’s “Big Love” was still be broadcast, the producer for this show on FOX wanted to present "the other side of polygamy." Mark Henkel provided some quick education. He helped the producer understand that not all polygamy occurs “in the Mormonland bubble” of Utah/Arizona. He adamantly declared that normal families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, equally oppose the crimes for which Warren Jeffs was being sought and accused (and later convicted). And Henkel told a story of one family in the TruthBearer.org organization that had been sued by a violent wife-beating ex-husband to get back child custody only because anti-polygamy laws were “on the books,” to allow him to do so - costing the family thousands of dollars to defend against that which otherwise would have been easily dismissed as a frivolous lawsuit. "So the existence of the legal law can be used to abuse with the civil law," explained Henkel. The producer exclaimed, “Wow!” and she expressed how she could see how that was possible by such laws being "on the books." Mark Henkel and the producer developed a positive rapport. She even laughed positively when Mark Henkel gave the soundbite of “marriage-phobic baby daddy males” in a contemporary society, while the hypocrisy remains of criminalizing caring husbands who deliberately want marriage responsibilities with UCAP polygamy. Thus began several interviews in trying to find ways for the producer to put Mark Henkel on their show. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
18:04
September 22, 2021
HLN Nancy Grace Show (Alexis Weed) interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2014
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Alexis Weed for the Nancy Grace Show on HLN Headline News television network, on January 14, 2014. They were seeking a response to the December 13, 2013, decision by a federal judge in Utah to strike down the "cohabitation clause" in that State's bigamy law.  Although later over-turned in 2016, that temporary court decision effectively de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" (i.e., polygamy with only one wife having a government marriage license) in Utah at the time. The producer did attempt to get pushy at times, but Mark Henkel stood his ground and they positively agreed to organize a live interview a couple hours later on the show. When speaking of the false stereotyping of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, Mark Henkel said, “You can't compare all football players to Jerry Sandusky and his crimes.” The producer exclaimed, "I like that example. I do." This podcast episode is the pre-interview with the producer. The live TV interview with the host herself, Nancy Grace, was broadcast in Episode 25 of this podcast, posted back in September, 2018. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
41:43
September 15, 2021
CourtTV Bloom & Politan (Anne Hartmayer) interviewed Mark Henkel Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Anne Hartmayer for "OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan" on CourtTV on September 19, 2007, for his appearance on the show the next day. Mark Henkel had previously been on Vinnie Politan’s CourtTV-radio show a number of times, as organized with producer Mark Goldman. Anne Hartmayer was the producer for the TV show that Vinnie Politan co-hosted with Lisa Bloom, so she was already used to working with Mark Goldman. (She learned of Mark Henkel from Mark Goldman.)  When another producer for another CourtTV television show, Deb Cote for “Jami Floyd: Best Defense,” learned of Mark Henkel’s booking for “OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan,” Anne Hartmayer shared the referral, putting Deb Cote in contact with Mark Henkel too. On Tuesday, September 18, 2007, Deb Cote interviewed Mark Henkel to book him for her other show. They discussed looking into making arrangements for him to fly to New York City – at his own expense - to appear live on her other show and perhaps other shows the next day (or vice versa). (Listeners here should note that that interview was broadcast on the previous podcast episode before this one.)  The next day, Mark Henkel emailed Anne Hartmayer. He questioned whether it made sense for him to be paying for the airflight out of his own pocket, which was not his usual method of arriving at media appearances. Anne Hartmayer called Mark Henkel (which is this interview episode here). With his past appearances on both of their shows, Anne Hartmayer and Mark Goldman had long built an excellent working relationship and great rapport with Mark Henkel. The idea of Mark Henkel paying for his own airfare worried Anne Hartmayer. As the prosecution in the Warren Jeffs trial in Utah had rested their case (the day before), she quickly realized that it was unknown how much longer CourtTV would even be covering the story. Hence, it was possible that Mark Henkel would buy airfare, only to possibly have his appearance cancelled. This unknown but real possibility greatly worried Anne Hartmayer, foreseeing how that possibility could harm the working relationship that she and Mark Goldman had already built up with him. Since she had referred Mark Henkel to Deb Cote, who had only just met him the day before, she wanted to protect that working relationship from any possible misunderstanding or harm.  This episode is that phonecall interview with Anne Hartmayer.  In the end, it made the best sense for Mark Henkel to do “phoner” interviews (i.e., by telephone) on all three of the shows.  Everything worked out positively with all the shows. Mark appeared multiple times, and his working relationships with all three producers and shows was strengthened.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
20:48
September 8, 2021
CourtTV Jami Floyd Best Defense (Deb Cote) interviewed Mark Henkel Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Deb Cote for "Jami Floyd: Best Defense" on CourtTV on September 18, 2007. This was in preparation for Mark Henkel's first appearance on the host's show. That day, the prosecution in the Warren Jeffs trial in Utah had rested its case. Mark Henkel had been a previous guest of another show on CourtTV, "Open Court: Bloom & Politan," as well as on a separate CourtTV radio show hosted by Vinnie Politan. The producers for the three shows all wanted Mark Henkel to be on their shows. In this interview, this producer was trying to book Mark Henkel while knowing that he was also being sought for the other shows on the same network. Mark Henkel had been looking into the cost flying himself to New York City (to be paid out of his own pocket) to do a "tour" of the shows. The producer and Mark Henkel also discussed possibilities of his driving to a CNN studio in Boston. Two days later, Mark Henkel appeared as a "phoner" guest (i.e., via telephone), first on the show, "Open Court: Bloom & Politan" and then on this producer's show, “Jami Floyd: Best Defense," both on Thursday, September 20, 2007. Mark would appear on this producer's show a couple more times after that, as well. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
09:57
September 1, 2021
INSIDE EDITON Deborah Norville (Erika Jones) interviewed Mark Henkel -5- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a 5th time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 26, 2006, produced by KingWorld. This was the fifth and last interview with her. In a voicemail message that the producer left the week before, on June 21, 2006, she was willing to concede one issue: to allow polygamous families for an interview to meet at a hotel. On June 23, 2006, Mark Henkel called her back, leaving a voicemail message that re-iterated all of the necessary requirements in order to proceed. On June 26, 2006, Mark Henkel finally reached her directly.  She realized that they were not going to be able to fulfill this "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) without meeting Mark Henkel's  protectve terms. The project was finally abandoned. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
03:52
August 25, 2021
INSIDE EDITON Deborah Norville (Erika Jones) interviewed Mark Henkel -4- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a 4th time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 12, 2006, produced by KingWorld.  This was the fourth of five total interviews with her.  While the plan was for Mark Henkel to fly out for taping later that week, the producer called on this Monday to try to push for more open opportunities to film polygamous families.  After a healthy exchange of deeper clarity and possibilities, the producer ended this interview somewhat abruptly, saying she needed to discuss things more with her producer.   While Mark Henkel was not subsequently flown to New York to be taped, there would still be one more interview, which airs in the next episode. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
16:10
August 18, 2021
INSIDE EDITON Deborah Norville (Erika Jones) interviewed Mark Henkel -3- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a third time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 9, 2006, produced by KingWorld. This was the second interview with her on that same day of June 9, 2006, and the third of five total interviews. Although the plan from the previous interview had been to speak the following week, the producer had instead called back that same evening, leaving a voicemail to see if Mark Henkel would be free to travel for a taping the following week. When Mark Henkel called her back, she brought up a magazine that had only had one singular published issue three years previously, a publication which was focused exclusively on Mormon polygamy. This seemed to unfortunately change the project's focus back to the "Mormonland bubble" again instead of a national focus. The producer suggested that maybe "this could be a teachable moment" to show that all polygamy is not always Mormon-based. This interview ended with the intent for both to speak together again on the following Monday, to then be the 4th interview (to air in the next episode of this podcast). http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
08:29
August 11, 2021
INSIDE EDITON Deborah Norville (Erika Jones) interviewed Mark Henkel -2- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a second time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 9, 2006, produced by KingWorld.  This was the second of five interviews. Following the previous interview two days earlier (on June 7), the producer had come back with more attempted offerings to try to help this project not be a “Circus Act Request” (C.A.R.) - but it still l was. Mark Henkel re-iterated about the producer’s need for “plausible deniability” from being subpoenaed – even referencing a then-current news cycle about a New York Times reporter and a CIA leak that did not protect the journalist.  Mark Henkel painted the picture clearly, “At the end of the day, what you're telling me is: We better deliver you the circus act or we don't have a story." He also informed her that normal polygamous families in his organization were not all that interested in being part of this particular project, once they learned that it was with INSIDE EDITION. Mark Henkel told the producer how he had always respected the host, Deborah Norville, ever since the “drama” between her and Jane Pauley in 1989 on “The TODAY Show.” He explained that that former respect was why he and families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, were even that much more disappointed by then-recently-past hostile segments she had run on her show about polygamy - even “slandering polygamists.” He still encouraged though “This may be something that we have to build up trust.”  After about 24 minutes into this interview, the producer emphatically stated, “I completely understand where you’re coming from, I do.” They both then spent the next 25 minutes as the producer asked excellent questions and as Mark Henkel provided informative soundbites, all so that the producer could take such background information back to her executive producer to see how this project could move forward. This interview ended with the plan that they would speak together again at the beginning of the following week. (NOTE: She would instead conduct yet another interview later this same day, too, June 9, 2006. That subsequent interview will air in the next episode of this podcast). Ending positively, Mark Henkel said, “I have really appreciated this conversation.” The producer interjected, “Oh NO!  Thank YOU. I have appreciated it as well. Very informative, and it has given me a lot of background.” http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
51:03
August 4, 2021
INSIDE EDITON Deborah Norville (Erika Jones) interviewed Mark Henkel -1- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 7, 2006. As the last cliffhanging episode of the first season of HBO's fictional show about Mormon polygamists, "Big Love," had concluded days earlier, the producer explained her intent. She said, "We would like to go inside a family, a sort of real-life 'Big Love' story." Mark Henkel explained how that was what he calls a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.). She kindly asked if there were things that could be done to overcome this hurdle. Thus began this first of five interviews for this show. In this interview, Mark Henkel explained to the producer how she needs to have what is known as "plausible deniability." When the producer asked for clarity on what that means, Mark Henkel explained. When it comes to TV producers being subpoenaed by courts, there are certain things they must not ever know. He clarified, "If you don't know where somebody is, you can't say that you knew where they were" under oath in a court of law. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
22:10
July 28, 2021
CNN Anderson Cooper 360 (Diana Miller) interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 by producer Diana Miller, on April 23, 2008. This was 20 days into the ongoing news cycle of the FBI raid on the FLDS cult in Texas on April 3, 2008. This hour-and-a-half long interview provides extensive information and soundbites. In the end, although the producer was positive and polite, the decision-makers at CNN only wanted a circus act (a "Circus Acts Request" - C.A.R.). Moreover, they only wanted this to be a taped interview. Mark Henkel insisted that he would have to be on a live-interview first before doing any taped interview with their network - because CNN would have to first build trust. At that time, it was 3 weeks into the news cycle about the FLDS; yet CNN had still not yet reported anything about actual and normal UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, or about the national movement's vehement opposition to the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, and all the underage crimes. So, Mark Henkel declined if it was only going to be taped for this first time. Yet, the producer was going to try to see what she could do. For soundbites, at one point, Mark Henkel even referred to the FLDS as "communist cult" because of the authoritarianism of any sect that allows some "leader" to make their decisions for them. Ultimately, CNN once again proved to live up to what Mark Henkel referred to as "manufactured news corporations," long before the term "Fake News" was applied to CNN by others over the next decade afterward. Still, the content of this interview is significantly insightful and educational. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:27:37
July 21, 2021
PEOPLE magazine (writer Vicky) interviewed Mark Henkel - March 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was research-interviewed for PEOPLE magazine by a writer named Vicky, on March 23, 2006. Due to the big TV hit of the premiere of HBO's new fiction television series, "Big Love," that month, the writer requested to spend time with a polygamous family. Mark Henkel gently explained to her how that was what polygamists call a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) The genuinely friendly writer positively chuckled and understood it completely. Even so, the interview provides important soundbites and education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - even as Mark Henkel politely declined the specific request. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
09:02
July 14, 2021
The Lineup FOX Kimberly Guilfoyle - (Don) interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was research-interviewed for "The Lineup" on FOX News television (hosted by Kimberly Guilfoyle) by a producer named Don, on May 11, 2006. This occurred during the major news cycle when the new fictional show on HBO television, about non-cultic Mormon polygamists, called “Big Love,” trhat had just premiered weeks earlier in March, 2006.  t appears that the producers of Kimberly Guilfoyle’s show were significantly hyped to do something "about polygamy" on their show that weekend. Two other producers from the same show, Mary Ragsdale and Michael Bloom, had also attempted making media requests of Mark Henkel that same week too. (They neither answered the phones when called nor called back from voicemail messages that were left for them.) In this interview with the producer who only identified himself as “Don,” Mark Henkel provided some helpful education. As the producer was not sure what he or the other producers wanted to exactly do, and as they seemed to want to be more sensationalistic, nothing else specifically resulted from this interview; no episode or segment was aired about it.  Even so, Mark Henkel did provide some good soundbites and educational insights about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
08:42
July 7, 2021
The Tyra Banks Show Arlene Wilkinson interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "The Tyra Banks Show" by associate producer Arlene Wilkinson on July 24, 2006. This was a nationally syndicated daytime television talk show, serving an audience of mostly women, hosted by renowned supermodel and host/creator of "America's Next Top Model" show, Tyra Banks. (The show's name was also known as "The Tyra Show" and later as just "Tyra.") The producer was exploring options for doing an episode or a segment about polygamy, polyamory, or different things involving "poly" relationships. (Mark Henkel made a “poly” joke about plastic that made the producer laugh.) The producer asked her questions considerately and carefully, trying not to be insensitive in asking anything in an unkind manner, even while asking necessary questions. Mark Henkel was able to give her a positive and insightful education. He also made her laugh more than once. While she was seeking for a polygamous family to be willing to come on the show (i.e., what Mark Henkel has identified as  a"circus act request"), she also asked Mark Henkel about what kinds of topical segments or show possibilities on which he or any family might be willing to appear. Knowing what kind of a woman-demographic to which this show was targeted, Mark Henkel said that they would not be willing to do a show with anti-polygamists or with other things such as polyamory, etc. He told her, "It would have to be our own show" - a show only about the marriage commitment of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Nothing developed later after this interview; instead, an episode on polyamory (and how that differs from polygamy) aired on October 9, 2006.  Even so, now archived for history, this interview provides listeners with important soundbites and education from Mark Henkel. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
26:14
June 30, 2021
Carlos Watson (pilot TV show) Amanda Erickson interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Carlos Watson (for a non-aired pilot TV show) by associate producer Amanda Erickson for Dawn Syndicated Productions, on May 22, 2008.  The producer sought to develop a pilot that would be presented to network executives to see if they would fund a new talk show to be hosted by former CNN personality, Carlos Watson. For this project, the producer made that which Mark Henkel politely identified as a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) - requesting to put a polygamous family "on display" to make a show about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The discussion remained genuinely positive throughout the interview. Mark Henkel provided some great soundbites, including some attention-grabbing "hype" that the producer quite agreed was possibly helpful. As positive as this interview was, no subsequent project ever occurred. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
28:33
June 23, 2021
STOSSEL FOX Business News John Stossel interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2010
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "STOSSEL" on FOX Business Network (FBN) hosted by John Stossel, on March 4, 2010.   The set-up featured John Stossel seated on the right, with Mark Henkel and Gretchen Carlson seated beside each on the left. Gretchen Carlson is the renowned TV personality and co-host (at the time) of her own separate television show, "FOX & Friends."  (Note: years later, Gretchen Carlson stopped working for FOX after successfully filing sexual harrassment accusations against that employer.) The show was taped in New York before a live audience on February 24, 2010, the week before it aired.  The entire episode was about modern-day "Prohibition" involving various segments such as drugs, prostitution, polygamy, and more. (Note: a decade later, many states had legalized marijuana.)  John Stossel's topical purpose of this show's particular episode was to demonstrate how making things illegal is what causes more crime - just as America had learned from the alcohol "Prohibition" in the 1920s.   At the very end of the show, John Stossel gace an eye-opening concluding-commentary to re-iterate the episode’s entire purpose, "I'd like to think that my body belongs to me."  Gretchen Carlson represented the "opposing polygamy" perspective, focusing mostly on making the "slippery slope" argument.   This "polygamy" segment also included two un-named polygamous wives, seated in the audience.  One of the wives gave an eloquent re-statement of Mark Henkel’s frequent soundbite that polygamists are not after legalization, only de-criminalization.  Back to the main stage, as Gretchen Carlson continued to attempt the "slippery slope" argument, Mark Henkel smilingly provided succinct, friendly, and powerful soundbites to overcome her attempted argument.  Indeed, having done his preparation-homework about Gretchen Carlson herself, he was able to bring the "polygamy" segment to a jokingly and laughingly positive conclusion: he created a new soundbite on-the-fly that repeats a line that Gretchen Carlson herself had been shown in other videos over the years as repeatedly saying.  Given the invite to have "he last word," she brought the "slippery slope" argument even way out to the silliness of "not-even humans.” John Stossel interjected to correct her that this segment was talking about adults. Mark Henkel then gave the new soundbite, applying Gretchen Carlson’s own known hands-to-temple gesture , asking, "Do we have to google the meaning of consenting adults?"  She good-naturedly laughed, gave a knowing-smile to Mark Henkel, knowing that she had been gently comedy-roasted by him.  She laughed,;John Stossel laughed; everyone laughed.  (Listeners may get more details about this humorous soundbite at this online , "Marry Non-Humans? Funny TV Sound-bite Flattens Slippery Slope.")  This interview was one of the most positive and friendly interviews that Mark Henkel had been fortunate to give. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
13:28
June 16, 2021
NPR Weekend America Alex Cohen interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "Weekend America" on NPR, National Public Radio, Reporter Alex Cohen, on February 27, 2006.  This hour-long interview occurred two weeks before the premiere of HBO’s fictional TV series, "Big Love." The reporter was looking to meet and spend time with a polygamous family.  She sought to tape record numerous interactions in order to "put a human face on polygamy."   Mark Henkel informed that, as friendly, positive, and polite as the reporter was in asking for this, the request was still close to what he calls a "circus act request."  With that understood, he and she continued to see how they might find a way to do something for her show – especially because this was for a radio program.  Knowing that the coming "Big Love" news cycle would generate massive publicity for months, the reporter was hoping to complete this project before that pending news cycle, with an intended airdate of March 11, 2006.  The accelerated timeline of this project prevented it from being achieved.  Nevertheless, this initial interview reveals the challenges posed for families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) in dealing with overall media that generally focuses more on seeking to put families on display rather than let the polygamy movement directly explain the issues affecting polygamists.  The reporter was professional, honest, and sympathetic toward polygamists regarding how bad other media can be, and she certainly conducted herself with compassion.  Hereby being archived for history, this important interview educates listeners of the hardships and issues of media "circus act requests" - whether by honest reporters as this individual one here or by more outright dishonest manufactured news corporations. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:05:08
June 9, 2021
CBS News 48 Hours Sarah Prior interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "48 Hours" on CBS News, Producer Sarah Prior, on May 19, 2008, preparing a pending episode that later aired on May 27, 2008. This occurred during the news cycle that followed the April 3rd FBI raid in Texas of the FLDS, the Mormon-based cult led by criminal Warren Jeffs. During that news cycle, the manufactured news outlets decidedly chose to focus on that one cult's criminal activities involving underage marriage, pretending and purporting that Jeffs' crimes are "what polygamy is about." No matter how many times that Mark Henkel appeared in media to condemn such things as not being representative of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, numerous outlets in the corporate press mostly refused to report the actual truth; making-up and purporting news was more applied than reporting facts and whole context. Mark Henkel even identified such outlets as the "child-s*x media" because of their craven obsession with the false misrepresentation. The content of this interview between the producer and Mark Henkel was, itself, excellent; the producer understood the importance and actuality of the education he provided to her; yet, the network still chose to ignore all that and to otherwise focus only on the criminals of the Mormon-based FLDS in its later segment titled,"Polygamy - World Apart."  This podcast episode ends with an attempted subsequent phonecall to the producer's voicemail box, as she never called back ever again. The FLDS and their leader Warren Jeffs were indeed involved in real crimes that were always, adamantly, and loudly opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. The startling difference from this interview and the resulting segment wholly demonstrates how disconnected from facts and disconnected from the real story that the manufactured news corporations really are in their manufacturing of "fake news"  - and it explains why Mark Henkel called such "reports" as "News Purports."  Nevertheless, now archived for history, the this interview contains many important and educational soundbites. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
25:57
June 2, 2021
National Geographic Television interviewed Mark Henkel - Aug 2003
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for National Geographic Television, by Associate Producer Dana Kemp, on August 24, 2003, preparing to pitch for a segment on a developing episode for a second season of one of their programs. Six weeks before this interview, the U.S. Supreme Court had decided the Lawrence v. Texas decision of June 26, 2003. This interview was a follow-up to the first interview that been conducted two weeks previously on July 24, 2003. (That first interview used to be available for sale before it was later made freely available on Episode 43 of this podcast. With this new episode, this second interview is released for the very first time.) This 64-minute interview centered around how the producer could best pitch the segment to the higher-ups at National Geographic Television channel.  She asked excellent questions, completely understood the importance of the standard of Love-not-Force, and was definitely sympathetic to the issues of persecution for Christian Polygamy and UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy). She even recognized how jealousy is a cultural, social indoctrination of expectation. Mark Henkel discussed how some of the families with the TruthBearer.org organization (he founded) could be willing to participate under some serious privacy protections.  Listeners will find this positively conducted interview to be quite educational. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:04:53
May 26, 2021
HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan (Ryan Smith fill-in) Mark Henkel - July 2011
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, with Ryan Smith as fill-in host, on Headline News TV network, on July 27, 2011.   After being on Vinnie Politan's show twice the week before (with that main host himself), Mark Henkel appeared again the then-next week with a different fill-on host. As opening arguments  in the FLDS' Warren Jeffs trial were set to begin within less than 24 hours of this segment’s broadcast, the fill-in host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show again to join a panel of another slate of three different guests.  (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years).  The segment focused on sensationalizing the so-called "lost boys" that the FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) reportedly would abandon. The anti-polygamists tried to allege that that cruelty to adolescent boys is supposedly “what happens in polygamy” because of the so-called "mathematics." This segment was extremely sensationalistic, as even the host, at one point, compared the situation to "terrorist organizations." Fortunately, the fill-in host did positively identify that Mark Henkel was not connected to the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, or any of the crimes. Mark Henkel then presented a vehemently strong response that normal, healthy, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) families around the country, not living in isolated sects, do not participate in underage marriage with girls and do not abandon boys as that horrendous idea of alleged “lost boys.” The third guest to speak was a professional anti-polygamist-for-profit who was so caught up in her propaganda to try to smear all polygamy that she did not even realize that she even undercut the statement of the second person who was not hostile to that anti-polygamist. Anyway, this segment reveals how the manufactured news corporations will sensationalize a story. It also demonstrates how necessary it is to have such an effective and strong positive polygamy advocate’s voice to be included in the segment discussion as well.
09:06
May 19, 2021
The 700 Club on CBN aired from interview of Mark Henkel - Aug 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel appeared on Pat Robertson's show, "The 700 Club," on the Christian Broadcasting Network, CBN, on August 16, 2005. For history archiving purposes, Mark Henkel's taped appearance on this specific segment helped "made history." Namely, for the first time in history, a renowned Christian organization (The 700 Club), as led by a worldwide-known Christian leader (Pat Robertson), had publicly acknowledged "Christian Polygamy" as "evangelical Christians" on TV and even said the exact words of "Christian Polygamy" and "Christian polygamists." The two words "Christian" and "Polygamy" were no longer a supposed "contradiction in terms." History had been made indeed. For this segment, Mark Henkel had been previously "interviewed on tape" by a professional woman named Kim Bonney. To hear her lengthy interview with Mark Henkel, listeners will want to hear Episode 99 of this podcast, posted February 5, 2020. The final segment that aired on August 16, 2006  (despite a number of times being "bumped" from previously scheduled dates to air) was instead reported by David Brody. The scope of this segment unfortunately intended to scare its major Christian audience with the notion that the then-growing efforts to legalize same sex marriage would supposedly result in legalized group marriage, polyamory, and polygamy too. The premise - and especially the early part of the segment - initially focused more on salacious notions pertaining to group marriage and polyamory in order to indeed "scare" the network's Christian audience. The report included statements from many then-big names such as Stanley Kurtz ("conservative" lecturer and pundit), Maggie Gallagher (president of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy), and David Frum (albeit famous among conservatives as a "faux conservative") - all to speak against such supposed "changes to marriage." Contrary to their opinions, the report also included statements from Elizabeth Emens (former University of Chicago Law School Professor), an unnamed then-President of the American Civil Liberties Union (claiming that the ACLU would "defend polygamy" – which never really happened as the ACLU ultimately remained silent regarding polygamy in the following decade to come), Robin Trask (editor for the polyamory magazine, Loving More), and of course, the one and only advocate for actual polygamy on the segment, Mark Henkel (Founder of the TruthBearer.org Organization for Christian Polygamy). As the concluding voice to make the final argument for polygamy, Mark Henkel was able to make a number of quick yet important soundbites in the segment, including his "circular argument of law and sin" soundbite. Most importantly, the reporter, in the end, genuinely treated the concept of Christian Polygamy itself separately yet surprisingly fairly. The reporter kindly and accurately introduced Mark Henkel with the following QUOTE that made history: "Polygamy has a range of defenders including some evangelical Christians. Mark Henkel is the founder of the Christian Polygamy organization, TruthBearer. Christian polygamists believe husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loves the churches." That introduction is repeated and looped a couple of times at the end of this podcast to demonstrate its profound history-making significance. Yes, with this segment, history had been made on August 16, 2005. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com 
08:55
May 12, 2021
HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel -2- July 2011
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, on Headline News TV network, on July 22, 2011. The second interview that week, the host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show again to join a panel of three other guests. They were there to discuss the next then-pending trial of Warren Jeffs set to begin on the following Monday. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). All the panelists agreed that Jeffs was a criminal for the underage rape charges, and Mark Henkel clarified that Jeffs was always opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. In this interview, Mark Henkel repeated the observation (from the day before) of how Warren Jeffs' court trial that Summer was being tried in "Tom Green County" of Texas - 10 years after Mark Henkel had previously been out in in the media speaking out against another underage criminal named, Tom Green. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
11:43
May 5, 2021
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - May 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner, for the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). **This is a MUST-HEAR Inteview***. On April 3, 2008, law enforcement raided the Eldorado Texas compound of the Mormon-based FLDS, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. For weeks, this raid was the ongoing "big story" for news organizations around the world. As most of those media outlets were routinely yet falsely labelling its leader, the criminal Warren Jeffs, as a supposed "polygamist leader," Mark Henkel had been working feverishly to clarify that Warren Jeffs was no such "polygamous leader" at all, to declare that Jeffs was loudly opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults, and to completely differentiate that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, has nothing to do with such cultic actions or crimes. The AP reporter had interviewed Mark Henkel several times over the previous years, and she was glad to conduct this interview as well. Giving numerous important soundbites, Mark Henkel also revealed how most of the media only manufacture news rather than report it.  He stated how he plans to write his memoirs for archving historyas an expose of how irresponsible and anti-truth that the "manufactured news outlets" really are and how they so abused the polygamy movement this way. After detailing the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, and after demonstrating how he is able to persuade Conservatives and Christians by using their own arguments (where Liberals cannot so persuade), Mark Henkel explained, "Liberals might not like hearing the arguments I make, but what I say to them is, BE QUIET! Or, one could be less polite and say, Shut Up! Stop arguing. Listen to this. The only way we're going to persuade Conservatives is with conservative arguments. So, BE QUIET. Let me explain it to them." The reporter interjected, "Liberals are not going to lose if they just keep their mouths shut." Mark Henkel replied, "Exactly!" That was just one of the numerous positive exchanges in this interview. As the reporter wrapped up the interview, she was clearly satisfied with the content she needed from it, saying, "This is all good stuff!" http://www.NationalPolyamyAdvocate.com
01:13:50
April 28, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila regarding breach with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel discussed the breach of agreement by and with Producer Aarne Heikkila and the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 22, 2006, three days after the show aired a report by Lester Holt, on March 19, 2006.   Prior to that broadcast, Mark Henkel and the producer had conducted extensive negotiation together as conditions for producing the segment.  (Three of those negotiation discussions have been previously posted to this podcast.)  The polygamous family from the TruthBearer.org organization (which Henkel founded) had only agreed to be interviewed for the show with specific conditions, one of which being that the report would not be “all about” them, but centered around Mark Henkel, his organization, and the overall movement for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  Mark Henkel had made these conditions mandatory due to the actions of another show, “Dateline,” on NBC-TV, that had previously mispresented polygamy horribly.  The resulting TODAY Show segment that aired on March 19, 2006, still made the report solely about the family.  That action was a direct and blatant breach of the agreement.  Only because it as true that the aired-segment did at least treat the family positively, Mark Henkel still willingly indicated that the way to begin to heal that breach and to begin to restore trust with NBC-TV would be for them to work together and to thereby do a second report as originally agreed.  The producer said that he needed a couple days to see what other options they could do.  Nothing else was ever again produced or aired.  After allowing 15 years to pass since this breach occurred, and because NBC-TV has made no correction, healing, or even effort over this period of 15 years, this discussion is now being made public for the archives of history (as directly authorized to Mark Henkel by the agreement for him to record and air any of such discussions). It also reveals why most of (what Mark Henkel calls) "circus act requests" made by other corporate media would later be denied, in terms of protecting families from this happening again.  This breach, therefore, established the precedent that any media claiming to be “seeking families” would have to first abide and follow Mark Henkel's terms and conditions.
16:40
April 21, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Lester Holt and Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, for a report by Lester Holt, on March 19, 2006. As per the many discussions beforehand, this report was supposed to be about Mark Henkel, his TruthBearer.org organization, and the national polygamy rights movement. In the end, NBC instead made the report "all about" a polygamous family. While that family was from Mark Henkel's organization, there was no mention in the report of any such connection. Mark Henkel's appearance lasts no longer than 12 seconds. Lester Holt states, "As many as 100,000 Americans are believed to be living in plural marriages. But now with the buzz over HBO's hit series, 'Big Love,' and a growing political acceptance of same sex unions, polygamy activists are emerging, some calling it 'the next civil rights battle,' and the battle lines are being drawn." It then cuts to tape, listing "Mark Henkel, Founder, TruthBearer.org." Mark Henkel explains, "We're saying, get government out of the business of defining marriage altogether. And basically, let consenting adults choose their own contractual arrangements." Overall, the report presents itself kindly toward the family itself (and toward UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in general), even though the family did not agree to be the main focus/subject. The segment also reports that the family was Christian, not connected to anything with Mormonism. After the segment ends, Lester Holt speaks (then-live) with Campbell Brown. She says to him, "And they seem like normal, like the person you'd run into in the grocery store." Lester Holt replies, "Very nice people, and you would never raise an eyebrow if you met them anywhere." She closes, saying, "All right. Much to think about."  Notwithstanding that the segment was certainly kind, the breach of the agreement paved the way for tougher demands with all other media over the years afterward. This result became a strong lesson-learned. Breach notwithstanding, the report was positively presented; and it does indeed leave the viewer/listener with much to think about indeed. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
06:19
April 14, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila interviewed Mark Henkel for Lester Holt - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Aarne Heikkila for Lester Holt for the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 15, 2006. The network had flown the producer and a TV crew to record the interview at a hotel in Portland, Maine, for a segment that would later air on March 19, 2006. On behalf of Lester Holt, producer Aarne Heikkila asked questions of Mark Henkel that would be used on a segment by the show's anchor Lester Holt. The producer asked questions that required lengthy answers while otherwise seeking to get sound-bite responses that he could use in the segment.  HBO had just premiered its fictional series, "Big Love," that same month - the first of its kind about polygamists. This interview, however, focused on Christian Polygamy and the larger non-Mormon based UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The former had made the latter larger movement possible, even paving the way for such a show to even be considered. This interview contains many excellent sound-bites as well as comprehensive answers to commonly asked questions. This episode reveals the method of how TV producers do the actual leg-work of interviewing a topical expert while making the taped-interview appear on the later segment as though the main anchor himself conducted the interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
51:48
April 7, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila Negotiated 3of3 with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 3of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 14, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview (the next day). This conversation was the third of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Mark Henkel had been requiring that it be written into the Agreement that the crew and producer (et al) would neither follow nor record anything else after the formal interviews. In the beginning of this third negotiation, the producer opened the negotiation by trying to get out of having to formally write that requirement.  Mark Henkel used his negotiation skills to both initially and conditionally concede on that issue. Later, however, the producer brought up a separate issue of how media companies can be subpoenaed and gave the kind warning that both Mark Henkel and the polygamous family would have to be careful of what they say. This was a point that the producer said that his attorneys wanted to be known in advance by all concerned. Mark Henkel deftly utilized that point to get the producer in the negotiation to instead be the one to concede and to indeed formally add Mark Henkel’s aforementioned requirement to be written into the Agreement. This third and final step of three ended positively, just as the previous two steps had occurred in the preceding week. This essential discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk. It also reveals the example that Mark Henkel set in both possessing and bringing some essential negotiation skills to this process. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
14:51
March 31, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila Negotiated 2of3 with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 2of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on on NBC-TV, on March 10, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview. This conversation was the second of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Because NBC had aired another show called "Dateline" that had made false associations about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, two years previously, Mark Henkel was clear that he was not going to tolerate any misrepresentation of the movement again.  The purpose of the piece was to be about the movement, Mark Henkel, and the TruthBearer.org organization -not exclusively about the family from his organization. Mark Henkel explained, "This will be NBC's shot to repair the damage of Dateline two years ago, and we will report it, one way or another, how we are treated." The producer re-affirmed six different times, saying, "You are going to be in the piece, Mark." Mark Henkel allowed that such terms not have to be written (so that they could move forward without lawyer-delays), saying, "I am going to take you at your word." This second step of three ended positively, as well as the first step had occurred the day before. This essential discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk.  It also reveals that Mark Henkel retained full authority to publish all aspects of this process, and it demonstates that the producer acknowledged that fact. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
07:22
March 24, 2021
TODAY Show NBC Aarne Heikkila Negotiated 1of3 with Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 1of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on on NBC-TV, on March 9, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview. This conversation was the first of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Because NBC had aired another show called "Dateline" that had made false associations about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, two years previously, Mark Henkel was clear that he was not going to tolerate any misrepresentation of the movement again. When Mark Henkel was specifically limiting specific things for the terms and conditions, the producer countered them as supposedly not being necessary, saying, "You're free to say stuff like that when we interview you." Refusing to be misled by that argument, Mark Henkel insightfully and immediately replied, "Yeah, I'm free to say it; but whether you air it is another matter."  The producer understood. The first step of three ended positively. This important discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
10:23
March 17, 2021
The Ed Tyll Show Florida Man Radio WDYZ interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2020
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Ed Tyll Show on Florida Man Radio, WDYZ 660AM / 105.5FM, in Altamonte Springs, Florida, on February 28, 2020.  Over the previous decade, Mark Henkel had been a guest a number of different times on the host's past syndicated programs - each of which had always been positive interviews.  For this interview, Mark Henkel was originally asked as a guest to discuss a new state law being passed in the Utah Legislature to reduce the charge of bigamy from a felony crime down to an infraction in cases of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in which no other crimes occur. (NOTE: months after this interview, that law became fully passed and effective on May 12, 2020.)  The Florida Man Radio station obviously targets a male demographic in the greater Orlando, Florida market.    Along those lines, the host took the discussion toward a more physical direction of marital relations, although being neither vulgar nor salacious.  In the middle of the interview, the host seemed to take the issue into a harsh and hostile direction as Mark Henkel continued to hold his own and to just keep the information focused.  After the final break, Mark Henkel smilingly changed the tone of the conversation by offering some fun humor, bringing up the "Not tonight, honey, I have a headache" statement that husbands sometimes hear from wives.   The host loved it and declared that Mark Henkel had "kicked the soccer ball" as the host's way of meaning that he had “nailed it” with such powerful insights.  The interview proceeded quite positively from that moment forward.  The host again declared how much he loved having Mark Henkel as a guest.  At the end, the host even proclaimed, "God, I am having a great day today!"  This interview provides an example of how Mark Henkel's professional, thoughtful, and intentional use of humor-on-purpose (in order to change the tone) to refresh the discussion was able to successfully bring the interview back to a positive (indeed, an extremely positive) ending.  The host deserves credit and acknowledgement, too, for recognizing that and for joining with Mark Henkel in returning and restoring the discussion to the extremely positive conclusion. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
45:26
March 10, 2021
The Jiggy Jaguar Show interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2013
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Jiggy Jaguar Show, hosted by James Lowe (aka Jiggy Jaguar), in Hutchinson Kansas, on March 13, 2013, to discuss how the Roman Catholic institution's selection of its newest Pope Francis that same day might impact UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The host was both positive and generous in his praise and comments to Mark Henkel and UCAP polygamy.  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
15:13
March 3, 2021
HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2011
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, on Headline News TV network, on July 21, 2011. The host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show to join a panel of two other guests. They were there to discuss the next then-pending trial of Warren Jeffs set to begin on the following Monday. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). All the panelists agreed that Jeffs was a criminal for the underage rape charges, and Mark Henkel clarified that Jeffs was always opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. In this interview, Mark Henkel made the renowned soundbite that observed how Warren Jeffs' court trial that Summer was being tried in "Tom Green County" of Texas - 10 years after Mark Henkel had previously been out in in the media speaking out against another underage criminal named, Tom Green. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
10:26
February 24, 2021
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on September 25, 2007. This was on the same day that the guilty verdicts were handed down against Warren Jeffs, cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist LDS. For the report she was writing, the reporter got the statement from Mark Henkel that families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, were glad that that real criminal was finally going to prison. The interview also discussed the issue of how the "mainstream" LDS always get their special caveat added to AP articles (declaring that the LDS oppose polygamy) and how any referencing to "Mormon polygamists" seems to be prohibited by the LDS themselves when it comes to AP articles - all while not allowing the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults to declare its adamant opposition to Jeffs and his cult (who have never been part of the movement anyway). The discussion also included commenting on how Judge James L. Shumate (who is normally would have a lot more to say in his written judgments) did not seem to  be so verbose in handing down this particular Decision. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
08:26
February 17, 2021
20/20 ABC News "John Stossel Special Report" interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "John Stossel Special Report" for "20/20" on ABC News, on July 18, 2008, during prime time television hours. The hour-long special looked into how big government over-reaches into what consenting adults do. This 7-minute segment, focusing on polygamy, made its fourfold-purpose clear. One, show that polygamy is not exclusively based on Mormon Polygamy (and that that idea is a myth). Two, show other forms of polygamy in a modern context. Three, show that UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) is about unrelated consenting adults making private choices of UCAP for themselves that work for them.  Four, show that UCAP polygamy has nothing to do with criminals and cults that also supposedly "involve polygamy" as otherwise sensationalized and misreported by manufactured news corporations. Mark Henkel was identified as the "National Polygamy Advocate." The segment includes interviews with a Christian polygamous husband and two wives from the TruthBearer.org Organization that Mark Henkel founded. The episode also includes a separate polygamous family, a man with two of his four wives from the African Hebrew Israelites. As well, the episode presents an academic from the University of Georgia, Professor Patricia Dixon, explaining the positivity of the women's choice element for those who choose it. Peter Sprigg declared the Family Research Council's (FRC) anti-polygamy bias. Mark Henkel follows-up to that bias, making a powerful refutation to the assertion that polygamy is sup'osedly immoral:  "If they're saying that that's immoral, they're calling the greatest heroes in the Bible they believe in — they're calling them immoral. They're saying that Abraham, with his three wives, was immoral. Jacob had four wives. David had seven known named wives before Bathsheba." This interview provides many excellent soundbites, including Mark Henkel's renowned "That's insane!" reference to Hugh Hefner's then-current popular reality TV show of "3 live-in girlfriends" that would otherwise make him a "criminal" if he actually married them. This episode is a must-hear presentation, and it is provided for the purpose of archiving for history. It is also presented in honor, legacy, and memory of both the husband and of one of his wives from the TruthBearer.org Organization who had both passed away only a few months apart in 2020. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
07:40
February 10, 2021
20/20 ABC News Kristina Kendall interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was in-person interviewed by producer Kristina Kendall immediately after John Stossel had also interviewed him, for "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 30, 2008, at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a "John Stossel Special" that would air on July 18, 2008.  The producer needed to capture additional soundbites from Mark Henkel.  She took questions that John Stossel had just asked him in the previous interview and continued to have Mark Henkel provide more brief and succinct responses.  It is from this interview that the since-renowned "That's Insane!" soundbite was recorded.   Mark Henkel also gave several other excellent soundbites in this final interview that did not get aired.  The producer expressed her positivity repeatedly, exclaiming at separate times, "Good answer(!)," "Very good(!)," and "You're great(!)."  From her pre-interviews (as previously broadcast in past podcasts) through this last interview here, the sincerity of these positive exclamations are both undeniable and further proven by the positivity of the resulting segment that aired later that year in the Summer of 2008.  This is a "must-hear" interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
23:41
February 3, 2021
20/20 ABC News John Stossel interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2008
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was in-person interviewed by John Stossel, for "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 30, 2008, at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a "John Stossel Special" that would air on July 18, 2008.  Even as producer Kristina Kendall had prepared some of the topics for John Stossel to ask for this full-camera taping, he still asked questions in his own way, was interested and positive toward Mark Henkel, and even offered indirect suggestions on how Mark Henkel could consider answering questions that the show's audience would be able to understand.  (For example, John Stossel suggested that many in his show’s audience might not know what "laissez faire" means, even as he said that he would agree with the term, himself.  The producer said that they were looking to see Mark Henkel's passion on camera - which he both easily and unquestionably delivered.  Mark Henkel offered numerous soundbites and education on many issues such as polygamists not having legal standing to sue media for libel or slander, as civil court judges exploiting anti-polygamy laws on the books to decree separation of unrelated consenting polygamous adults from even being near each other, as the "seeds and gardens" analogy of why we see fewer examples of people choosing polyandry, as the "10 men and 10 women" analogy,  as the "Marital Marxism" soundbite, and as many more. It is from this taped recording that the soundbites of Mark Henkel were extracted for use in John Stossel Special's polygamy-segment that eventually aired that Summer 2008.  This is a "must-hear" interview, archived for history and for all researchers of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  After John Stossel had completed this interview and had left the taping room, Mark Henkel remained, continuing to provide more on-camera answers with the producer to be used in the final product. That additional taped interview will be provided in the subsequent podcast following this one. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
37:21
January 27, 2021
20/20 ABC News Kristina Kendall pre-interviewed Mark Henkel -2- Dec 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 2nd time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on December 18, 2007. This was the first of 2 pre-interviews, in preparation for a subsequent taped-interview with John Stossel himself at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a “John Stossel Special” that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer was preparing a positive story about non-Mormon polygamy. This pre-interview includes preparations also made for recording some B-roll video with one of the UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) families in his organization, and also for ensuring that ABC would be flying him to that taping to protect the family as that would happen. The producer was completely committed to protecting the family and the integrity of this story. At one point, the producer even jumped in and exclaimed, "That's one of the most amazing things about your whole philosophy is that it's about complete choice." With this second of two pre-interviews, the subsequent podcast following this one will provide the actual interview with John Stossel himself. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 20, 2021
20/20 ABC News Kristina Kendall pre-interviewed Mark Henkel -1- Nov 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on November 21, 2007.  This was the first of 2 pre-interviews, in preparation for a subsequent taped-interview with John Stossel himself at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a “John Stossel Special” that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer wanted to do a story about non-Mormon polygamy. She established right away that she knew and that she affirmed that she would first have to build a relationship of trust. Mark Henkel told her how the Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamists (UPCAPs) had actually “been waiting to hear from John Stossel” for this kind of segment. Mark Henkel gave the sound-bite comparing “CNN on the left and FOX on the right” manufacturing news product as if real news to “saying that MacDonald’s and Burger King sell health food.”  Having been so let down by ABC’s past airing of misrepresentative manufactured news stories about polygamy over the previous years, Mark Henkel explained how differently that the TruthBearer.org organization perceived John Stossel’s actually-honest reporting.   Mark Henkel shared that he and his organization chucklingly perceived John Stossel as a “diamond in a pile of pooh” - which generated laughter in the producer each time he said it.  Earlier that year (2007), John Stossel had authored a new book, "Myths, Lies and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel - Why Everything You Know is Wrong."  Mark Henkel said he had more than 10 such "myths, lies, and downright stupidity" about polygamy that he would be happy to share in an episode with John Stossel. This first pre-interview includes so many important sound-bites that the producer even had to stop to write some of them down. She mentioned how positively struck she was by the “love-not-force” standard being so respectful of women, that wives must equally consent. She particular liked Mark Henkel’s use of the “freedom of assembly” argument, affirming that John Stossel could agree with that frame of argument himself. So committed to doing this story, the producer at one point even proclaimed her response to the arguments, “I really think I completely agree.” This was the very first contact with producer Kristina Kendall; and, she definitely lived up to her promise (in this interview and over the subsequent weeks andmonths) to build a positive relationship of trust.  Forthcoming episodes of this podcast will include the subsequent pre-interview, the taped interview with John Stossel himself, and more.  All of these are must-hear interviews. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 13, 2021
Peri Muldofsky independently interviewed Mark Henkel - June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, former Development Producer for ABC News Productions, but still freelancing for them on June 10, 2006.   In this (the third of three) interviews, the producer said that she was no longer full time employed by ABC News, that she worked for the History Channel instead, and that she was still able to write articles for major media such New York Sunday Times magazine, Glamour, and other print media. She still very much wanted to so something with Mark Henkel and this story. The interview referenced Mark Henkel's several experiences/observations with various personalities in the media, including Lester Holt of NBC-TV, Stanley Kurtz of The Weekly Standard, Albert Mohler of CrossTalk.com (who made the outrageous claim that supposedly "legalization of polygamy means the destruction of marriage"), and Karole Honas of KIFI-TV (who had been urprised by the story from a feminist angle). When Mark Henkel lamented the disappointing ordeal of when he and one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization were on NBC's "The TODAY Show" (even though it was not a negative report), she again offered some more excellent insights and education about how TV media puts together their spots. Mark Henkel explained how the two wives in one of the organization's polygamous families had traded off working and caring for children with each other in both getting their college education. He said, "Talk about the ultimate feminist success story!" The freelance producer/writer exclaimed, "Right! To me, one of the banner headlines would be like, 'Is Polygamy Better for Women?" The question to me is not even, 'Is Polygamy Bad for Women?' The question is, 'Is Polygamy BETTER for Women?'" Happily embracing the fascinating and feminist angle of this non-Mormon-polygamy, the freelance producer/writer emphatically and politely wanted and invited further exploring into how she and Mark Henkel might put together a story with a wife of a polygamous family that she could write for one of the top major print media. Affirming that intent, she exclaimed, "I think it's a really good story." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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January 6, 2021
Peri Muldofsky ABC News interviewed Mark Henkel - Mar 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, Development Producer for ABC News Productions, on March 3, 2006.  Three months after a previous lengthy interview together, the producer positively kept seeking in this next interview to develop a working relationship of trust.  She continued to make recommendations for getting polygamous families on TV.  While she knew that that was not going to happen at that time, the producer remained genuinely professional, provided insightful education about how TV/media operates behind the scenes, and offered to write something for print media such as the New York Sunday Times and Glamour magazine (the latter for which she had a direct contact).  This is the second of three comprehensive and important interviews with this very friendly media professional. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 30, 2020
Peri Muldofsky ABC News interviewed Mark Henkel - Dec 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, Development Producer for ABC News Productions, on December 13, 2005. In this comprehensive 90-minute interview, the producer sought information for development of a story about the TruthBearer.org organization and the new modern movement of Christian Polygamy (and beyond to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy).  She had found it fascinating, as she had never heard about it before she learned of and surfed through the TruthBearer.org website. For her story development, she was initially hoping for families to go "on-air." Mark Henkel identified that idea as a “circus act request,” explaining, "The circus act does not work for us. It just hasn't (worked)." Remaining fully positive, the producer kindly sought to build a professional relationship (developing trust for the future), as she generously offered additional ways that this pro-woman, pro-family, non-Mormon form of polygamy could be given better media attention. She even offered to think more about it to see what else she could later recommend in a few weeks afterward. The producer even exclaimed, "Every single woman in America, every woman in her 30s who's looking for a man to make a commitment, can relate to this." With many of Henkel's important sound-bites and the producer's unsolicited education on how to additionally work the media, this episode is a must-hear interview. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:32:14
December 23, 2020
FOX News Radio Anderson McGregor interviewed Mark Henkel - Feb 2005
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Anderson McGregor, producer for The Alan Colmes Show, on FOX News Radio, on February 7, 2005 and several subsequent times through April 29, 2005. The initial media request sought for Mark Henkel to appear on The Alan Colmes Show on the next night. As other news broke, however, that original plan did not happen. This podcast episode includes 16 different phone calls, made over a period of almost 3 months, as the producer kept trying to find ways that would tie-in to current events, to have Mark Henkel be interviewed by Alan Colmes on the show.  When the overwhelming "Terri Schiavo story" broke, they both tried to use the angle of a comprehensive article that Mark Henkel had written about the issue of marriage that applied to that story. That effort failed to succeed to get him on the show, as well.    As neither the producer nor Mark Henkel was able to find a tie-in acceptable for the show to bring Mark Henkel on to talk about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, this series of telephone calls/interview ultimately ended up as being to no avail. Overall, Mark Henkel gave some important, excellent soundbites, though - from pointing out that it is actually "catholic moral relativism that created anti-polygamy," to making his humorous reminder, "Not everything takes place in Utah." In this important experiential episode, listeners will learn significant insights about what is involved in "trying to work the media." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 16, 2020
FOX News Radio Jessica Rosenthal interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jessica Rosenthal for a report she was preparing for FOX News Radio, on September 24, 2007.  This was during the trial hearings of criminal Warren Jeffs of the FLDS.  This interview includes many persuasive, essential soundbites.  Mark Henkel said, "To connect all polygamists to Warren Jeffs is as slanderous and offensive as connecting all teachers to Mary Kay Letourneau."  The reporter exclaimed, "Huh! That IS a great soundbite!"  Mark Henkel clarified and called out the "illusion that the media continues to portray, and that is, that only practicing polygamists want polygamy rights. There IS a polygamy rights movement of vast quantities of people around the country who want the freedom to do so. And just because they might not practicing, it doesn't mean they don't want that freedom."  He also called out the manufactured news corporations for not letting the story be told: "CNN and FOX, liberal vs conservative, it's like saying McDonald's vs Burger King offer health food. It's just not true. You don't tell the truth about us."  After then failing to trap Mark Henkel in a would-be contradiction about same sex marriage, the reporter asked, "So then you'd be okay with a father marrying his daughter."  Mark Henkel instantly exclaimed, "I said consenting adults! Why why why is polygamy - See?  This is the problem we have.  You continue to put it back into propaganda.  We are saying, 'consenting adults.'  I will say 'consenting adults' to you 10 times, and you'll still come back to me like we somehow support underage. No we don't!"  The Reporter installed apologetically backed off and admitted that it was the only alternative of "unacceptable" she thought of, conceding, "I see your point."  The interview proceeded positively.  Before both said friendly goodbyes, Mark Henkel quickly repeated one last time, "Remember, we oppose Jeffs, and we always did." The reporter immediately replied in a friendly tone, "Ok Got it. I wrote that down. I did." With so many excellent soundbites, this interview is certainly an important "must-hear" one. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 9, 2020
NewsRadio 1620 WNRP Branden Rathert interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2015
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel on Live Talk Radio with host Branden Rathert, on News Radio 1620 AM WNRP, in Pensacola, Florida.  As same sex marriage was just then legalized in Florida, Mark Henkel was brought back on to the show (as a previous guest in past years) to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The host asked his audience: Which of those two types of marriage do they find more abhorrent? Mark Henkel explained that the modern UCAP polygamy movement is actually a pro-woman's choice movement.  When the host referenced two different reality TV shows about polygamy as being "weird," Mark Henkel clarified that those reality TV shows involved only Mormon polygamous families.  Mark Henkel explained that Mormonism's excusive "pre-existence of souls" doctrine calls for women to have as many children as possible;  but that means that other UCAP families, those who do not come from the Mormon paradigm, do not follow that Mormon doctrine and thus, typically, will not have the "herds and herds of children" that one might see in Mormon polygamous families.  The host chuckled at the "herds of children" reference. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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December 2, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted for interview again with Associated Press AP - Feb 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persisted again with Jennifer Dobner of the Associated Press (the AP Newswire), on February 1, 2007.  This was in response to a then-proposed bill, HB 2009, introduced by Rep. David Lujan, D-Phoenix, in Arizona, that sought to prohibit judges from granting custody to a parent who engages in "child bigamy" unless the judge determines that no threat exists to the child.  In addition to trying to present the national movement's response to the bill for then-future AP-articles in that news cycle (and to address the falsely-worded idea of supposed "fleeing polygamy"), Mark Henkel was also again persisting to get the needed clarification in the AP Stylebook to include the necessary differentiating adjectives (such as "Mormon polygamy"). http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 25, 2020
Newsmax TV MidPoint Ed Berliner inteviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2015
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Newsmax TV news show, MidPoint, with host Ed Berliner, on January 19, 2015. This network claims to be a conservative media outlet serving a conservative audience. The host introduced the topic with reference to a standard "slippery slope" statement by Senator Lindsey Graham, in a Senate committee hearing considering President Barack Obama's nominee for Attorney General, Loretta Lynch - that if same sex marriage can be legalized, so must polygamy. Mark Henkel answered the question with the perfect answer to easily persuade any actual conservative: limited government, the polygamy rights win-win solution. When asked if polygamy was still illegal, Mark Henkel again gave another perfect answer to easily persuade any actual conservative, even using his humorous sound-bite of the "liberal activist judges of the 1878 Supreme Court in the Reynolds v. United States case." The host then began what seems to be planned speech using wild hyperbole, such as claims of how polygamy supposedly is evil." As the host began the speech, someone at the network disconnected the skype access to Mark Henkel. The host's seeming speech sounds extremely prepared for suggesting this "disconnection" was supposedly a surprise. When Mark Henkel called back by phone, someone at the network disconnected that too. All the while, the host continued the same seemingly planned and prepared speech, saying that "someone, maybe a higher power" stopped the interview as if it was somehow something miraculous (or God-ordained). The host continued the seemingly prepared speech, asserting the supposed "slippery slope" argument of how polygamy is supposedly "so evil" 0- while conveniently not empowering Mark Henkel to eplxain otherwise.  While the host purported that they would bring Mark Henkel back in a future interview, the network had still not done so even more than years later. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
05:32
November 18, 2020
The National Post - Canada - inteviewed Mark Henkel - July 2001
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The National Post, a national Canadian newspaper out of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, on July 16, 2001, by a Reporter named, Nate.  Just under 1 hour and 20 minutes, this interview was conducted in the pre-9/11 era of the Tom Green trial and sentencing.  This was one of the earlier media interviews, back when collecting details for each one was still being learned and systematized.  This comprehensively educational interview provided Mark Henkel's explanation of "the Tom Green problem" and the "daddy-daughter dynamic," Henkel's soundbite that "Christian polygamy does not mean Mormon Polygamy and polygamy does not mean Mormon," the history of the Christian Polygamy movement, the several Biblical argumentations, Henkel's separate home church unconnected to the movement, the history of early polygamy websites in the movement (and against it) back then when the first original owners owned such sites, the emergence of force polygamy and how the standard of love-not-force solved that problem, and so much more.  Mark Henkel even delineated the ancestries of Moses' two wives (the Shemitic Abrahamic Midiantess and the Hamitic Cushite wife).  As well, Mark Henkel gave a soundbite lyric from a song he had written back then, saying, "Too many Mommies, all alone / Raisin' babies, no daddy at home."  Henkel also declared, "The Tom Green case is really as destructive for us as Tim MacVeigh was for the militia movement."  Mark Henlel gave the historic soundbite, "The problem that Tom Green is creating is the potential of the anti-polygamist propaganda that is about to unleash a reign of terror on good, solid, polygamous families that are not configured in any way like the Tom Green case."   Lastly, Mark Henkel concluded, "We want to get the word out that polygamy does NOT mean what these things are." The Reporter replied, "You've done a very good job of that, getting out the word to me, anyway." Repeating that same sentiment a number of times throughout the interview, the Reporter concluded emphatically saying, "I very much appreciate talking to you, Mark.  It has been extremely illuminating." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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November 11, 2020
The Me and Vinnie Show Sirius XM Stars Too interviewed Mark Henkel - Jan 2010
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "The Me And Vinnie" show with host, Vinnie Politan, on January 19, 2010.  The host occasionally shared the mic with the show's "newsman," Michael Billy.  The purposes of the interview sought, generally, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and, specifically, to discuss how the then-ongoing Perry v. Schwarzenegger case in California which was then-seeking to overturn Proposition 8 might impact polygamy rights. (Prop. 8 was a referendum passed by 52% of California voters in November 2008, amending the California State Constitution to add the following amendment, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.")  From the start of the interview, the host made it clear, saying, "I am pro-choice" as long as the polygamy involves consenting adults.  He asked many good questions which provided opportunities for Henkel to offer more of his repeated, known sound-bites.  Henkel also explained polygamy in the Bible.  The host's fellow "newsman" wanted to take religion out of the argument for marriage, citing how his fellow activists for same sex marriage sought to persuade scientific sources to advance the "born that way, not a choice" argument for getting same sex marriage approved (legally and socially).  The "newsman" then said, "You can't argue that polygamists are born that way...  "It's called being a guy, isn't it?"   Henkel did not accept that "pseudo-science" of the "born that way" argument because, as he said, it denies human choice based on genetics.  Thereby, Henkel agreed that polygamists would not use that argument of such "pseudo-science."  The discussion also asked how government could even construct legal rights for polygamists, as both the host and the "newsman" focused on the special rights that legally married people get from government and "how complicated" it would be for applying them to polygamy. Henkel gave the loaded sound-bite, "It only gets complicated by getting into bigger and bigger government... We have corporation law, partnership law, and we have differentiation of corporation: from profit, non-profit, and sub-chapter s.  We could simply create a corporation law" for polygamy.  The host humorously interjected, using his own name, "The Politan Family Corporation!"  The host concluded the interview, asking about the impacts on the children of UCAP polygamy families.  Henkel responded with the powerful sound-bite, "This is not a flinging thing, but rather a commitment thing.  So, this is an opportunity for children to thrive.  The issues that are negative for children are the tyranny of law against it."  In the end, Henkel, the host, and the "newsman" were in positive agreement about rights and freedom for Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  (NOTE: Later that year, on August 4, 2010, a US District Court overturned that "Prop. 8" of Perry v. Schwarzenegger.  The original Petitioners of Prop. 8 subsequently appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and then on up to the Supreme Court in the case re-named as Hollingsworth v. Perry.  Ignoring any merits entirely, the Supreme Court, on June 26, 2013, remanded the case on a technicality of "legal standing," bringing the final decision-result to being the original District Court's decision of Perry v. Schwarzenegger 2010.) http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
31:57
November 4, 2020
ABC News Emily Friedman interviewed Mark Henkel - Sept 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Emily Friedman for ABC News on September 13, 2007.  The reporter was respectful and positive throughout this 40-minute interview, even enjoying mutual laughter together.  Mark Henkel provided her with an extensive education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the various forms, i.e., Christian Polygamy, Mormon Polygamy, Jewish Polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, and Secular Polygamy. He detailed numerous Biblical argumentations used by the new Christian Polygamy movement, explained the adamant opposition to criminals and cults (such as Tom Green, Warren Jeffs and the FLDS), and offered many important soundbites.  He even gave his renowned soundbite about the powerful lesson from Orwell's book, "1984," regarding how people often "commit an act of insanity in order to keep their sanity."  This episode is certainly one of the more succinctly informative interviews for those seeking a helpfully definitive education on the topic. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
41:15
October 28, 2020
Associated Press AP post-interviewed Mark Henkel after nationwide article - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was POST-interviewed on November 27, 2006, AFTER an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire) published nationwide on November 24, 2006. **This MUST-HEAR Interview*** is the third of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner.  This interview discussed Mark Henkel's reaction and feedback on the interview, noting his observation of the need to help correct the AP Stylebook on the issue of reporter's needing to be allowed to differentiate "Mormon Polygamy" as a term, because of the  mainstream "Mormons controlling the AP Stylebook." Mark Henkel gave the sound-bite, "The problem is, because the Mormon institution is controlling the definition, you can't say 'Non-Mormon Polygamist' because you can't say 'Mormon Polygamist.'"  This point re-affirmed the connection to the past interviews, over the previous several months, with this same AP Reporter, in which Mark Henkel had persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS.   This 3rd of these 3 podcast audios here reveals the friendly, professional, and even mutually laughing rapport between the reporter and Mark Henkel.  The Reporter agreed that it made sense to move forward in exploring how to get such accuracy changes into the AP Stylebook, for the purpose of ensuring better brevity.   She said, "It is a quagmire, I agree... ...I think it's a valid point... ...That's a really good suggestion, I'm writing it all down."  She later concluded, "Everything you say is good fodder for another story." For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to the 1st and 2nd of these three podcast audios, posted in the previous 2 podcast episodes before this one.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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October 21, 2020
Associated Press AP interviewed Mark Henkel for nationwide article - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed again on November 19, 2006, for an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). **This MUST-HEAR Inteview*** is the second of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. Over the previous several months, Mark Henkel had conducted numerous interviews with AP Reporter Jennifer Dobner. He persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS.  Finally, the reporter's bosses allowed her to write something about it.  The article was originally planned to be published over the weekend of November 18 or 19, 2006.  But as the Warren Jeffs hearings were set to conclude days later on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, the article was pushed back a week to be able add material based on that last hearing.  This 2nd of these 3 podcast audios here is an hour long.  This interview reveals the professionalism, comprehensive knowledge, humanity, compassion, even the empathy of both Mark Henkel and the Reporter.  This also includes many excellent sound-bites.  For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to both the 1st and the 3rd of these three podcast audios, posted in the subsequent 2 podcast episodes before and following this second one.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
01:01:35
October 14, 2020
Associated Press AP photographed Mark Henkel for nationwide article - Nov 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was photographed on November 14, 2006, for an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire).  This is the first 1 of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. Over the previous several months, Mark Henkel had conducted numerous interviews with AP Reporter Jennifer Dobner. He persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS.  Finally, the reporter's bosses allowed her to write something about it.  The article was originally planned to be published over the weekend of November 18 or 19, 2006.  But as the Warren Jeffs hearings were set to conclude days later on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, the article was pushed back a week to be able add material based on that last hearing.  This 1st of these 3 podcast audios here presents the discussions by which the Associated Press photo shoot of Mark Henkel (in an "environmental portrait") was arranged with AP Photographers Doug Pizak (Salt Lake City, Utah) and Joel Page (Portland, Maine), specifically for this then-pending article.  For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to both the 2nd and the 3rd of these three podcast audios, posted in the subsequent 2 podcast episodes following this first one.   http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
12:27
October 7, 2020
Overnight America KMOX NewsRadio 1120 interviewed Mark Henkel - March 2020
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Overnight America, hosted by Ryan Wrecker, on KMOX NewsRadio 1120, in St. Louis, Missouri, on March 4, 2020. The interview had been originally scheduled to focus on bigamy laws in general and on the then-new law that was being passed in Utah that reduced the charges of bigamy from a felony to an infraction for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The host began gaslighting from the beginning, mocking in doubt that the "purported clause" in bigamy laws really threatened anyone. After hearing different forms of polygamy identified, the host asked specifically about Christian Polygamy. As Mark Henkel explained how the Christian Polygamy movement made it possible for the overall larger UCAP movement, Henkel explained how Christians come to find the former.  Henkel explained the common experience of a number of Christians in numerous, various denominations: "When you really study the Bible, you discover it is an absolute impossibility to say that you believe in the Bible and that the Bible bans polygamy." From that point on, the host sought to continually gaslight or to try to trap Mark Henkel in specific answers. When Mark Henkel showed that the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 provided an example of the sinless Jesus Christ proverbially describing himself in polygamous terms, the host repeatedly gaslighted as if that obvious example of a polygamous wedding still somehow had nothing to do with polygamy, not even proverbially. Observing those tactics being attempted, Mark Henkel declared that he could see those would-be traps that the host was trying to set and that he would not be so trapped. He gave his sound-bite example that demonstrates how such traps work: "Have you finally stopped beating your loved ones with a jagged two-by-four, yes or no?" After hearing the host's repeated interruptions of "where in the New Testament" questions, Mark Henkel used his "airplane" soundbite to show the illogic. The host refused to get back on the main topic of law. Instead, the host consumed the rest of the time on gaslighting the Biblical issues to slander Mark Henkel,  to repeatedly call him crazy, and even to tell the audience that the host believed that Mark Henkel was "one of those people" who deliberately misleads people with mis-readings of Scripture; the host repeatedly emphasized that that was "so dangerous."  After the interview, the host took back-patting callers and he used that to directly slander Mark Henkel.  Hearing the continued discussion online in real-time, Mark Henkel tweeted how the host had put words in his mouth again.  The host read the tweet on-air and then re-played previous audio which actually proved that Mark Henkel was correct about the host's falsehood - yet the host still gaslighted otherwise.  As such, seven additional minutes have been added to this podcast episode in order to re-wind and re-play the spoken parts, full quoted contexts, and the mentioned twitter thread (see: https://twitter.com/MHenkelPolygamy/status/1235418614418661378 ). This additional ending portion of the podcast episode proves that, not only were the host's gaslighting efforts evident, and not only were the host's claims false regarding what Mark Henkel had said, but those statements by the host might even likely be legally-pursuable as charges of slander.  Consequently, this hostile interview has been transformed into an attention-grabbing yet positive exposition. This is a must-hear interview! http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
44:15
September 30, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted for interview with Associated Press AP - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persisted with Jennifer Dobner, on September 15 and 17, 2006, to find a way to reach different Associated Press state offices when national news cycles emerge that pertain to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  This was in response to the national news cycle that Nevada's US Senator Harry Reid had called for a federal investigation into all polygamous families in the Western States on September 12, 2006.  Jennifer Dobner was from the Utah AP office and did not do work on those stories as it pertained to Nevada, although she did tend to be the de facto interoffice-source when other AP state offices needed information about polygamy.  This interview reveals how the Manufactured News system was not conducive to allowing actual news & stakeholder sources of the topic (herewith, polygamy on the national level) to be included in national stories directly about their topic. The reporter was friendly and was sincerely trying to find a solution, though. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
12:02
September 23, 2020
Portland Phoenix Jeff Inglis interviewed Mark Henkel - Nov 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on November 13, 2009. This interview occurred 10 days after Maine voters, by a "People's Veto" referendum in a mid-term election, repealed a new same sex marriage law. (NOTE:, same sex marriage later became legalized "again" in Maine by the nationwide US Supreme Court decision of Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015). For all of this, Mark Henkel had written an op-ed about how the law was neither about "Marriage Protection" nor about "Marriage Equality," and he was waiting for whether the statewide daily newspaper (Portland Press Herald / Maine Voices) would publish it. The Portland Press Herald's new owner/CEO and Editor Richard Conner refused to publish it.  (That Summer, Conner had replaced the then-terminated previous Editor John Porter. Two years after that, Conner himself, also left the, being accused by the same newspaper for misusing over $530,000 of company funds for his own personal use.)  Conner’s refusal thereby opened the opportunity for the weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, to show "the article that the Press Herald was too afraid to publish." The Managing Editor of this weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, loved this idea. In this interview, Mark Henkel exposed the “positive but passive aggressiveness” of The Portland Press Herald's main conservative opinion writer Michael (M.D.) Harmon *who knew of Henkel for the previous 3 years, yet never once allowed Henkel to be reported or to be published), the hypocrisy of the Portland Press Herald’s main liberal opinion writer Bill Nemitz (who directly knew about Mark Henkel with a press kit and yet still acted as if Henkel did not exist, even while writing a story very similar to one of Mark Henkel’s known soundbites), and the outright hateful bigotry of  same sex marriage advocate Mary Bonauto (who publicly had made highly bigoted-statements about unrelated consenting adult polygamy, and who also would later be one of the attorneys who presented before the US Supreme Court for the Obergefell v. Hodges Decision of June 26, 2015, that legalized same sex marriage nationwide). Mark Henkel explained how the article offered the solution by which either losing side in the same sex marriage can go forward, save face, and achieve a win for all sides: The Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution. He explained that, as the politically liberal side had then just lost the "People's Veto" vote 10 days previously, he recommended that they should actually learn from Mark Henkel's arguments to instead "use conservative arguments to persuade conservatives."  Mark Henkel provided numerous soundbites and educational points. Also, the interview flow and mood was very friendly, respectful, and even fun with both Henkel and the Managing Editor laughing a number of times - all making this a must-hear interview. The Managing Editor of The Portland Phoenix published Henkel’s article that next week, the one that the Portland Press Herald had been too afraid to publish. This provides another example of how the big Manufactured News Corporations do not report the news, but they instead decide what they will and will not let the public read  or even learn about in their media sources. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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September 16, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted that Portland Press Herald publish article - Feb 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for the Opinion Page Editor John Porter to publish an article in the Portland Press Herald, starting on February 11, 2009.  The Maine newspaper had, 2 years previously, reported about Mark Henkel.  Later that coming Spring of 2009, the Maine State Legislature was preparing to make a law to make Maine the 5th State to legalize same sex marriage.  Mark Henkel was seeking to show a "third way," the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate.  Mark Henkel had first spoken with the newspaper's "Maine Voices" Editor Michael (M.D.) Harmon who had passed it off with a recommendation that Mark Henkel instead pursue the matter with his next-up-the-line editor, John Porter.  John Porter sounded like he would consider a 700-word op-ed instead.   He said that he did not think that polygamy was somehow "relevant" or even "controversial" to be part of the debate (revealing how the Manufactured News Corporations do not really allow full debate or anyone to be heard on issues they control).  But John Porter did say that he would "shop it around" (even to his own boss) when Mark Henkel would later send the article to him. Mark Henkel called back a few times in April, 2009, even on the day before his live appearance at the Maine Public Hearing for the pending same sex marriage law on April 22,2009.  By April 28, 2009, it seemed possible that the newspaper would finally publish it. (On a side note, later that year, 2009, when the newspaper was bought, placing it under new ownership, John Porter would be removed from his top-dog newspaper editorship to instead go work as a spokesman for a local internet company.  In that following Fall of 2009, the opponents of the newly-passed same sex marriage law were gearing up for a statewide referendum to repeal it with a "People's Veto."  Mark Henkel would continue to reach out to the Portland Press Herald and its new top-dog editor to publish this timely relevant article.  The "People's Veto" subsequently passed, which in turn, repealed the then-new-but-thereafter-repealed same sex marriage law in Maine.  On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court Decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, determined that same sex marriage was thereafter to be legalized in all 50 States. ) In the end, the Portland Press Herald still chose to hide the article from their readership, which instead was later published in a different newspaper in Portland. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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September 9, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner clarify - 2 - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for Jennifer Dobner to make a regular clarification for articles in the Associated Press (the AP newswire), reaching her on September 8, 2006.  --Part 2 of 2.-- One week previously, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List,  the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested.  For that week, Mark Henkel persisted for Jennifer Dobner to include a clarifying statement that the national polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults has always opposed that cult leader and criminal, were glad that he was caught, and both loathe and do not participate in those crimes.  This is Part 2 of 2 recordings that show how Mark Henkel was able to begin getting this essential clarification made.  The reporter said, "The New York Editors don't care." Mark Henkel said that it was looking like "the AP is not Associated Press but is the Associated Propaganda." He also used the comparative metaphor of a media in the 1950s and 1960s reporting on some singularly local gang of African American men "raping a white girl" but refusing to clarify in their news reports about it, making it look like all African American men do that, and when national-level leader Martin Luther King Jr.  repeatedly asked the media to clarify that the violent gang of criminals are adamantly opposed by everyday normal African Americans too, the media refused to do so.  He explained that that is what the manufactured news outlets are doing to polygamists with this story by not adding Mark Henkel's clarification.  The reporter said that she had understood and she positively worked for a way to include a clarification.  Subsequently, when she was finally able to get the beginning of such clarification past her editors, Mark Henkel followed up with a call left as a voicemail to thank her and keep it progressing - which is included at the end of this audio. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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September 2, 2020
Mark Henkel persisted Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner clarify - 1 - Sept 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for Jennifer Dobner to make a regular clarification for articles in the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on September 6 and 7, 2006.  --Part 1 of 2.-- One week previously, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List,  the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested.  For the following week, Mark Henkel persisted for Jennifer Dobner to include a clarifying statement that the national polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults has always opposed that cult leader and criminal, were glad that he was caught, and both loathe and do not participate in those crimes.  This is Part 1 of 2 recordings that show how much effort Mark Henkel made in trying to get this essential clarification made in future AP articles.  (Part 2, which will begin at the subsequent phone conversation made on the following morning of September 8, 2006, will be posted next week.)  In this recording of Part 1, the frustrated reporter even explained that she could not promise that her work-superiors would let such clarifications through, even if she could get them into her articles.  She even declared, "My bosses don't care" (about such things). http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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August 26, 2020
Chatelaine magazine in Canada interviewed Mark Henkel - October 2007
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Chatelaine, leading Canadian women's magazine from Toronto, Ontario, on October 17, 2007.   Having seen a then-recent article about Mark Henkel in another Canadian magazine (MacLean's), the writer Chris Dafoss (correct spelling not known) wanted to do an article (due to be published in the following Spring) from the angle of polygamy's growing acceptance.  Mark Henkel differentiated the Mormon-based group in Bountiful, Canada, from other forms of polygamy, such as Christian polygamy and Secular polygamy.  When the writer first guessed that Christian polygamy was "Old Testament based,"  Mark Henkel provided the clarity to her that that was definitely not the case, that Christian polygamy is "New Covenant based Christianity" based on all the Bible.  This 50-minute interview is a comprehensive interview, providing several answers to many frequently asked questions about polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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August 19, 2020
Mark Henkel gave statement to Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner - Aug 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave a statement to Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on August 31, 2006.  Two days earlier, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List,  the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested.  As both the FBI listing and the reports from most of the news organizations associated that cult criminal with polygamy,  the TruthBearer.org organization (founded by Henkel) issued a press release, distributed that same day (August 29, 2006) to the media through Pro-Polygamy.com, explaining, "Pro-Polygamists Glad that Fugitive Warren Jeffs was Caught."  Mark Henkel kept phonecalling the AP over those next two days to reach Jennifer Dobner.  He made sure that she would get the statement.   Jennifer Dobner confirmed that she should be able to use it in order to report the differentiation that Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, is not the same as the FLDS or (eventually convicted) criminal Warren Jeffs - and especially that normal pro-polygamists were even glad that the criminal was finally caught. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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August 12, 2020
Hogue in the Morning AM1380 KTKZ interviewed Mark Henkel - Apr 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "Hogue in the Morning" on AM1380 KTKZ, in Sacramento, California, of the Salem Radio Network, on April 4, 2006.  After the premiere of HBO's then-new fictional TV show, "Big Love," this consvertive radio show made a media request to discuss polygamy on air, live.  After Mark Henkel's repeated attempts to reach them by telephone (despite the fact the the show was the originator of the media request), and being told that they were out of time more than once while the producer kept the pre-interview calls going long, etc., Mark Henkel became aware during the 2 pre-interview phonecalls that the show could be more hostile than they were sounding.  After Mark Henkel declared that he was not interested in doing that kind of interview, producer Matt Bisiaux  assured him, "We are not going to sandbag you, we're not going to namecall you. We're not that kind of show."  He explained that the host was a Christian himself and that both the show and the network were mostly Christian too. The actual on-air-interview begins after 32 minutes into this recording., and it proved that Mark Henkel's awareness was correct.  The host , Eric Hogue, immediately began as sarcastic and clearly went on the attack from the beginning, putting words into Mark Henkel's mouth which the latter vehemently denied but corrected.  As Mark Henkel would try to answer questions, the host repeatedly cut him off and re-worded what he said with self-evident falsehoods.  At one point, Mark Henkel used a positive statement with which any serious Christian would be familiar, saying to host Eric Hogue, "In the name of Jesus Christ, is this man willing to listen? Are you willing to listen?" The host, betraying his claim of being Christian, then exlaimed back, "Wow! Did you just put a hex on me?" (Actual Bible-studying Christians immediately recognize what that exchange reveals, as no Christian would think that that was hex! God forbid.)  By the end, the host's hostile fighting descended into his outrageous and invented idea that supposedly husbands would ever somehow be "disciplining" their wives.  Mark Henkel responded to this offensive suggestion with the powerful concluding soundbite, "You're thinking from the gutter instead of listening to maturity."  http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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August 5, 2020
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel - July 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on July 26, 2006.  This brief discussion focused on the media problem within the "Mormonland Bubble of Utah/Arizona," and how AP articles (which covers a much larger audience than that local area) were still not making the necessary descriptive differentiations to accurately clarify and disassociate criminals such as the FLDS as not the same thing as normal Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) families. The writer even acknowledged, "You make a good point - that I could be adding this other stuff,"  and later confirmed, "I don't necessarily disagree with you." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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July 29, 2020
Bards Logic Political Talk interviewed Mark Henkel - Oct 2019
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr., with a round-table of the show's additional Conservative and Christian co-panelists, on October 24, 2019.  This was a comprehensive interview that covered so many different issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  During this interview, Mark Henkel first came up with the "No dog in the fight" soundbite as well as first mentioned his observation of what he calls, "#ImposerVsImposer politics" - by which an Imposer always wins no matter which "side" gets elected, all while leaders of both "sides" keep us all divided into tribalism fighting each other.  At one point, one of the specially invited co-panelists, a doctor, began arguing with Mark Henkel about Biblical Polygamy.   At 2 hours and 30 minutes into the interview, the host briefly went into other unconnected political topics, but he brought Mark Henkel back for concluding comments at 2 hours and 48 minutes. "We're just asking for freedom. We're not asking to impose on you. We're not even asking for legalization."  The woman co-panelist concluded, asking if Mark Henkel would be willing to later be a guest on her own show too (to which Henkel positively said, "Yes").  The host concluded, asked Mark Henkel to keep him and the show updated into the future. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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July 22, 2020
Portland Phoenix Jeff Inglis interviewed Mark Henkel - Oct 2009
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on  October 29, 2009.   This interview occurred during the week before a mid-term election, in which voters in the State of Maine would be voting on a "People's Veto" to repeal the then-recently-passed new same sex marriage law. (It was repealed on November 3, 2009.  Even so, same sex marriage later became legalized "again" in Maine by the nationwide US Supreme Court decision of Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015).  For all of this, Mark Henkel had written an op-ed about how the law was neither about "Marriage Protection" nor about "Marriage Equality," and he was waiting for whether the statewide daily newspaper (Portland Press Herald / Mane Voices) would carry it.  If not, this could be an opportunity for the weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix,  to show "the article that the Press Herald was too afaid to publish."   The Managing Editor loved this idea.  This interview with him had many good soundbites, including how the law being voted on was supposed to be all about, "equality for all, equality for all, equality for all - except unrelated consenting adult polygamists."   Commenting about the public debate which had aired on local television the night before about the pending "People's Veto" vote, in which the side opposing the repeal (i.e., being for same sex marriage) actually used terms of cruel bigotry when addressing the polygamy question, Mark Henkel explained that the debater's defaulting to false stereotypes of polygamy was as bigoted and offensive as saying that "all gay men want sex with boys."  Mark Henkel re-iterated that the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate is "the intellectual solution to end this war" for all sides and stakeholders.  Agreeing to speak again two weeks later, the Manageing Editor ended with the following request regarding the status of Mark Henkel's still-unpublished op-ed, "Keep me posted on the thing with the Press Herald. I love that stuff. Let's see how the election goes." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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July 15, 2020
Associated Press AP Jennifer Dobner interviewed Mark Henkel -2- June 2006
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on June 29, 2006.   The discussion involved the breaking news that a Utah group of anti-polygamists called "Tapestry Against Polygamy" had got into trouble with their non-profit status and failing to report all of their donations.  This interview includes Mark Henkel's "using a bandaid with a chainsaw" soundbite to describe the tactics of that small Utah-local anti-polygamist group of hurting former members of specific Mormon-based cults.  Mark Henkel noted how that local group had, years previously, refused his (non-Mormon) organization's offer to help, and the group instead insisted on choosing the propaganda route of smearing all polygamists by their singular anecdotes of tragic experiences in local Mormon cults.  Mark Henkel noted that, by their propaganda-logic then, "if they live by the sword, die by the sword" of their over-generalization approach to propaganda - their flawed