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Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'

By Philip Michael Naylor
"Naylor's natter...just talking to teachers"

Naylor's Natter is the brainchild of Phil Naylor , created initially to share musings on evidence, research and CPD. The podcast has grown significantly since its first episode in early 2019 and is now proudly supported by the Teacher Development Trust .

As the podcast has evolved so has its reach, we feel passionately about diversity of opinion and representation of our profession. To ensure we better reflect teaching , we are now proud to add more hosts to the podcast. Opinions are guests and hosts alone.

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Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'

Season 2- Episode 5 with Tom Sherrington @teacherhead on Rosenshine's Principles in action.

Naylor's Natter Podcast 'Just talking to Teachers'

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February 26, 2021
Magic Weaving with Sir John Jones
There is a small and select band of educational professionals in the UK who have not only had their achievements recognised in the New Year’s Honours List, but who are also able to inspire others with their outstanding knowledge, passion and enthusiasm – Sir John Jones is one. Knighted in 2003 for his services to education, Sir John worked most of his professional life in challenging schools across the North West of England, his last post being the head-teacher of a large secondary school in Merseyside. His achievements and reputation for straight talking, leadership and creativity led him to be invited onto various organizations, panels and think tanks including the National College for School Leadership, the DfES’ Leadership Development Unit, the Teacher Development Agency’s National Remodelling Unit and visiting posts with both Manchester and Liverpool Universities.Principles Sir John is: I am committed to making a difference in the lives of individuals and in the sustained development of organisations by: Using fully my experience and knowledge. Helping people and organisations develop their vision for the future. Promoting collaboration within and between organisations. Teaching the power of positive goal-setting through hope and optimism. Enabling organisations to find their own solutions that work. Building capacity for sustainability. Providing on-going support from planning through to the realisation of the vision. Types of work Work in which John has been engaged: Presentations to groups of varying sizes and compositions, tailored specifically to the needs of the audience. Extensive follow-up work to ensure that any ideas are developed and embedded. Consultancy work on a full range of issues facing organisations, from short, technical consultancies to extended whole-organisation improvement processes. Research on all aspects of leadership and management in order to improve and enhance current practice. Support for action research projects. Commissioned bid-writing for Local Authorities. Chairing think tanks and leadership development groups The book:
February 19, 2021
No Silver Bullets- Paul Ainsworth with Abby Bayford
There are no secrets to school improvement. There are no silver bullets and no magic answers. It is far less glamorous. It is a question of identifying numerous actions and applying effort ‘day in, day out’ to improve them. This book contains 89 strategies which leaders have successfully used in primary and secondary schools to make the difference to their pupils. 'This brilliant book is a ‘must have’ for any school leader. It is packed full of realistic strategies that can be adopted, adapted and implemented' - Sarah Paul, Headteacher, Wyberton Primary Academy. ‘Packed to the brim with practical advice for school improvement that is founded in his real-life work.’ - Jayney Cooksley, Headteacher, Briar Hill Primary School. ‘Really resonates with me, the strategies are particularly useful for new Headteachers and those working in stand-alone schools’ - Rebecca Walker, Primary Director, West Norfolk Academies Trust. ‘The title of the book is perfect – there are no ‘silver bullets’ but this strips the mammoth beast of school improvement back to a toolkit that focuses on doing fewer things really well. No bandwagons to jump on, just relentless consistency in tried and tested strategies to provide a great education for all learners.’ - Donna Tandy, Deputy Chief Executive, The Focus Trust. ‘Each page bristles with rich examples of school improvement,’Abby Byford, Director of the ATT Institute ‘Provides simple and easy-to-access advice to school leaders, will be very much welcomed by many,’Rowena Hackwood, CEO, Astrea Academies Trust 'This book is a must have for any school leader looking to bring about positive change, with tried & tested ideas.’Liz White, School Improvement Advisor. ‘Everything I know of Paul’s work is nothing but excellence and ‘No Silver Bullets is no different’Julie Keyes, The Education Consultant. ‘No Silver Bullets offers a valuable and pragmatic approach to ensuring that school improvement strategies ‘stick’. Grounded in Paul Ainsworth’s extensive experience and expertise, this book will be an invaluable resource to any school leader seeking to make sustainable improvements in their school community.’ - Zoë Elder, author of ‘Full On Learning’ ‘A book to not just read once but act as a reference, challenge and reflection as to where you are at on your School Improvement journey and context.' - Stephen Logan, Deputy Head, Malet Lambert School. ‘No Silver Bullets is an excellent guide to key strategies that really make a difference when it comes to school improvement from someone who “walks the talk” with school leaders each and every day.' - Gavin Booth, CEO, Infinity Academies Trust. ‘No Silver Bullets is a reassuring and realistic message that school improvement relies on day to day hard work and clear focus and not an external quick fix being adopted by the school.’ -Leann Lynch, Strategic Teaching and Learning Leader, L.E.A.D. Equate Teaching School Alliance. ‘I have supported over sixty schools in the last six years as I have worked in Director of School Improvement roles across for four Multi-Academy Trusts. I help Headteachers and school leadership teams make their school the best it can be. I rarely suggest drastic changes, instead on each visit, I look for little tweaks which will make the difference to their school. This book contains the suggestions that I make the most often. They are quickly adopted and help drive school improvement.' - Paul K. Ainsworth So whether you are a school leader or a system leader, read through the actions and see which of these small changes can make a big difference to your school.
February 12, 2021
The Feedback Pendulum: A manifesto for enhancing feedback in education with Michael Chiles
In the words of Bill Gates, 'We all need people who give us feedback. That's how we improve.' The art of giving feedback is widely recognised as one of the most powerful tools in education and equally one of the most variable aspects in the way it is applied. In The Feedback Pendulum, Michael aims to explore how the use of feedback has evolved over time, drawing on a combination of research and sharing experiences, and examples of best practices across the different phases of education to establish a culture of efficient and effective feedback that supports the teaching and learning cycle. This book will unpick the research, the experience of expert practitioners, and practical strategies in the different phases of education, including: the evolution of feedback over time; pre-school feedback; primary and secondary school feedback; specialist education feedback; parental feedback; and CPD feedback. Through the use of spotlights from teachers and an education psychologist's perspective interweaved throughout, Michael provides a manifesto for enhancing feedback in education.
February 5, 2021
What's working well in remote education with Professor Daniel Muijs
Daniel Muijs is Head of Research at Ofsted. Prior to his current role, Daniel was Professor of Education at the University of Southampton, and Associate Dean Research and Enterprise in the Faculty of Social, Human and Mathematical Sciences. He also previously worked as Professor of Pedagogy and Teacher Development at the University of Manchester, Professor of School Leadership and Management at the University of Newcastle and as senior lecturer in quantitative research methods at Warwick Institute of Education. He is an acknowledged expert in the fields of Educational and Teacher Effectiveness and quantitative research methods and has published widely in these areas. He is co-editor of the journal 'School Effectiveness and School Improvement', and has held key advisory posts in a range of academic and professional organisations, including currently the executive council of the European Association for Research in Learning and Instruction and the Questionnaire Expert Group for the OECD TALIS survey. Daniel holds a PhD in Social Sciences from the Catholic University of Leuven (Belgium), an MSc in Managerial Economics (Catholic University of Leuven) and a BA in Communication Sciences (Catholic University of Leuven) OFSTED guidance  As we move into a third national lockdown, with remote education for most pupils once again the default, we are of course very aware of the heroic efforts of leaders, teachers and staff in developing remote education. Likewise, we know there are difficulties and challenges that schools, colleges and teachers face in doing so. This short guide, which draws on findings from our interim visits, research and literature review, aims to provide some useful tips. FULL TRANSCRIPT AVAILABLE HERE
January 29, 2021
Best evidence on supporting students to learn remotely with Simon Cox
Simon Cox is the Director of Blackpool Research School and in this episode will be discussing the best evidence on supporting students to learn remotely Blackpool Research School at St Mary’s Catholic Academy is an exciting development and part of the evidence-based journey that St Mary’s Catholic Academy has been on. We have supported schools at the forefront of making evidence-based practice the norm and Research School status is the natural next step for us. As the Research School for the Blackpool Opportunity Area, our aim is to develop an evidence-based profession, empowering teachers to use accessible tools based on research evidence to improve outcomes for all pupils. Our core purpose is to: Share and disseminate the very best of evidence-based practice to schools and teachers across Blackpool. Provide evidence-based training. Host conferences and events Support schools and work with Teaching Schools in the region Develop interventions and practices that help improve the life chances of pupils. The EEF's rapid evidence assessment examines the existing research (from 60 systematic reviews and meta-analyses) for approaches that schools could use, or are already using, to support the learning of pupils while schools are closed due to Covid-19. When implementing strategies to support pupils’ remote learning, or supporting parents to do this, key things to consider include: Teaching quality is more important than how lessons are delivered Ensuring access to technology is key, especially for disadvantaged pupils Peer interactions can provide motivation and improve learning outcomes Supporting pupils to work independently can improve learning outcomes Different approaches to remote learning suit different types of content and pupils This research was funded by The EdTech Hub – as part of the partnership between the EdTech Hub and the Education Endowment Foundation. It has been published as a global public good – to support the global response to the education impacts of COVID-19. The EdTech Hub is a Global Initiative led by the Department for International Development (DFID), The World Bank and The Gates Foundation.
January 22, 2021
Blended and Remote Learning with Janice Allen
In this episode we discuss how Headteacher Janice Allen was an early adopter of a pioneering blended learning offering . Jan explains in detail: Rationale for the changes What model did you go for? What was the implementation plan? How did you bring your team with you? What have been teacher's and parents reactions (before Christmas) Have you now clicked into blended learning post Christmas? How are teachers and pupils adapting? What tips do you have for school leaders at the moment? We have 3 more specials in our blended learning series to come from Simon Cox (Blackpool Research School) , Daniel Muijs (OFSTED) and Doug Lemov.
January 17, 2021
It takes 5 Years to become a teacher with Ros Wilson interviewed by Emma Turner
About Ros  Primary, middle, and secondary school teacher Extensive experience working with pupils for which English is an additional language (EAL) Many years in Senior Leadership Head of Primary overseas Advisor for Assessment for Kirklees Local Authority Primary Strategy Manager for Education Bradford 12 years as an Ofsted inspector Five years as an Advanced Skills Assessor 20 years as an independent consultant supporting schools Creator of Big Writing, VCOP, and The Criterion Scale Published several books on primary writing and assessment with Oxford University Press Publications Ros has written a number of publications on writing, talk, curriculum, and assessment. Her latest books are published by Oxford University Press. Ros has recently written an exciting and amusing biography which centres on her journeys and adventures through life. She is also working on a series of illustrated children’s books that are fun and educational. Twitter Ros is active on Twitter and has made many great friends and professional connections. Ros has also had the pleasure of speaking at many grassroots events such as BrewEds through colleagues met on social media. Ros was listed as one of the top ten educational voices. Chartered College Through Twitter, Ros has developed a lasting friendship with Dame Alison Peacock and Professor Sam Twiselton OBE, CEO and Vice President respectively. Ros is proud to be an Affiliate Member and strong advocate of the Chartered College for Teachers. BBC Teach In November 2019, Ros was delighted to participate in a BBC Teach Live Lesson. The topic was remembrance and covered cross curricular learning, the difficulty of discussing conflict and loss, and how to get children to think critically and analytically. She has since edited and proofed scripts for subsequent recordings. Harrow International Ros was proud to be on the Global Advisory Panel for Harrow International Schools. Take a look at their great work here.
January 15, 2021
Rae Snape on leading, teaching and learning with Emma 'Turbo' Turner
A Headteacher since 2007 with a passion for improving outcomes and opportunities for young people & educators. I am passionate about Arts & Creativities in peoples' lives & the transformative power of Education to change the lives of individuals, communities, society & the world to make an even better place. I am proud to be an Ambassador for HundrEd and a Smiley Movement Host presenter. About Rae in her own words Hi Everyone! My name is Rae Snape. I am a Headteacher and National Leader of Education based in Cambridge, England.   I have been the Headteacher of the Spinney Primary School since 2007. The Spinney is a happy, welcoming, creative and OfSTED “Outstanding” school in Cambridge. The school has been described as "forward thinking and outward reaching" and we connect with the local, national and international ecosystem in order to secure an exciting, dynamic and successful curriculum for our pupils. The Spinney is a National Teaching School and the lead school of the Kite Teaching School Alliance. I am passionate about the positive and transformative power of Arts, Culture and Creativity in young people’s lives and the Spinney is proud to have achieved Arts Mark Platinum from Arts Council, England. Along with other key Cultural Leaders, I was one of the initiators of "My Cambridge" a Cultural Educational Partnership for the City bringing together The Universities, The City Council, County Council, Schools, Businesses and Enterprise. Objectives include ensuring more young people have experience of and participation in high quality cultural opportunities, access to Arts Award programmes and the chance to experience viable and exciting pathways into the Creative Industries. I am the Chair of Cambridgeshire School Improvement Board, and a member of Cambridgeshire Culture which, with support from the bridge organization Festival Bridge aspires to connect all the regional Local Cultural Education Partnerships to “Champion raised aspiration for Cambridgeshire, to include a cultural entitlement for all the County’s young people.” I am the Festival Designer of Cambridgeshire Festival of Education an annual optimistic celebration of teachers and teaching whihc takes place at the Faculty of Education Cambridge University. I have been a member of the Department For Educations’s Primary Headteachers’ Reference Group since 2010 and am the Vice Chair of this group. I am a Fellow of the Royal Society of the Arts and a Founding Fellow of the Chartered College of Teaching. You can find me tweeting @RaeSnape and my mantra is #OnlyConnect
January 8, 2021
The researchED Guide to Leadership: An evidence-informed guide for teachers with Tom Rees and Jennifer Barker
researchED is an educator-led organisation with the goal of bridging the gap between research and practice. This accessible and punchy series, overseen by founder Tom Bennett, tackles the most important topics in education, with a range of experienced contributors exploring the latest evidence and research and how it can apply in a variety of classroom settings. Claiming that the leadership industry has failed to have the impact on schools that is required, this book takes a fresh view that domain-specific knowledge and expertise is vital to running schools well and argues that we tend to underestimate the knowledge required to do this complex job efficiently. In the researchED guide to leadership, Stuart Lock brings together chapters by experts including Dylan Wiliam, Jen Barker, Danielle Dennis, Jon Hutchinson and The Reading Ape to unpick the challenges of school leadership, combining a thorough trawl of the research and mixing in practical advice to exemplify a very different approach to leading schools – one that is rooted in developing the required knowledge to address the challenges that are common to our schools. Jennifer Barker @Barker_J Dean of Learning Design at @Ambition_I Tom Rees @TomRees_77 Follows you Former Headteacher & Trust Education Director.Muggle. Sidekick. Exec Director - @Ambition_Inst
January 1, 2021
The UK Ambassador for Happiness - Action Jackson with Emma Turner
Action Jackson” is the UK 🇬🇧 ambassador for happiness, running motivational workshops in schools, he founded Fixup Team in 2001. A group speakers that go into schools to motivate young people to be resilient. Action Jackson is a motivational speaker and a life coach who has worked with a vast range of people, from students, management teams of major corporations to individuals from different walks of life. Action Jackson has taken himself to a place where he is known as an expert in motivation and personal development, called upon by companies like Morgan Stanley, the NHS, Local Education Authorities, schools and colleges, he has assisted thousands of businesses and people to achieve their goals and live their Dreams, his seminars are described as mind blowing, entertaining and life changing. Specialties: Training and developing Leadership and excellence. Confidence Building,Life Management,Life Coaching,
December 25, 2020
Top of The Pops 2020-Countdown of the most popular episodes of 2020
Here is a Christmas special countdown of the top 10 episodes of this epic year of 2020. Thank you to everyone for your support this year .We are looking forward to in 2021: Naylor's Natter-The Book!  Live Naylor's Natter monthly.  More and varied guests and interviews A transcription service for listeners to use interviews for school based CPD. Here are some links:
December 19, 2020
Fear Is The Mind Killer: Why Learning to Learn deserves lesson time - and how to make it work for your pupils
For the last 15 years, Dr James Mannion and Kate McAllister have been working to design, implement and evaluate the Learning Skills curriculum - a systematic approach to helping students become more confident, practice, self-regulated learners. An eight-year evaluation with the University of Cambridge revealed that Learning Skills led to significant gains in subject learning, with rapid gains among students from disadvantaged backgrounds. In this practical guide for teachers and school leaders, James and Kate reveal a recipe for success rooted in three key concepts: metacognition (reflecting on learning); self-regulation (taking ownership over the learning process); and oracy (developing high-quality speaking and listening skills). This is a book about what happened when a small team of teachers seized an opportunity to provide their students with the knowledge, the skills and the confidence to take control of their own learning. This journey began with a question: how and what would we teach, if there was no one watching? On the other side of fear is the teacher you want to be, and the children you'd like to teach…
December 18, 2020
Retrieval Practice 2: Implementing, embedding & reflecting with Kate Jones
The research supporting retrieval practice is overwhelming; it is an effective and essential teaching and learning strategy. Leaders, teachers, students and parents all need to know about this strategy and how it can enhance learning. Retrieval practice is being widely used across schools and the research continues to shape classroom practice. After the success of Retrieval Practice: Research & Resources for every classroom, Kate Jones, an evidence-informed teacher and leader, takes the discussion further, going beyond the background, basics, and benefits of this strategy. This book focuses on the effective implementation of retrieval practice to support both teachers and leaders to ensure retrieval practice becomes firmly embedded in classroom routines. There are contributions from leading academics and a range of subject specialists reflecting, offering their wisdom and expertise as to how retrieval practice can be utilised to have a positive impact in the classroom and on outcomes. From the latest research to addressing common mistakes and tackling retrieval practice during a global pandemic, Retrieval Practice: Implementing, embedding & reflecting takes a fresh and in-depth look at this tried and tested technique. Pre-order here:
December 11, 2020
The Leadership Factor with Drew Povey
Some leaders just have ‘it’. They walk into a room and you know that they are in charge. But how? What sort of person is so inspirational, that even when the chips are down they make their team feel like the strongest warriors, ready and willing to march over the hill into battle? Every successful CEO, world-beating sports captain and inspirational teacher exhibits the same characteristics: the 7Cs that together create the Leadership `it’ Factor; Curiosity, Change-ability, Charisma, Connection, Confidence, Collaboration and Courage. Taking each attribute in turn, Drew explains its necessity, and then guides the reader with steps and exercises on how to master it. With countless concise case studies from the world of business, education and global politics – some famous; some not so famous; many notorious – Drew draws lessons, guides development and paves the path to great leadership. Drew's website: We also have our regular TDT section and this week we have a segment on healthy schools
December 4, 2020
Emma Cate on being a KS1 Phase Lead. Early Reading, Early Maths and the role of a Research Lead.
.This weeks edition of Naylors Natter sees Nimish Lad interview Emma Cate, part of the T&L and Curriculum team, as well as the Research Lead and Key Stage One  Phase Lead at Ore Village Primary Academy . Emma has a passion for teaching Maths, Early reading, and traditional teaching methods in EYFS, is a prolific blogger and runs TheSafeSpace. She is well known online for her knowledge rich Art curriculum blog. In this episode, Emma and Nimish discuss the importance of explicit teacher in the early learning of pupils. We also have our regular TDT and #teacher5aday section 
November 27, 2020
Motivated Teaching with Peps McCrea
Motivated Teaching’ with Peps Mccrea. In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews Peps and asks him why motivation is important. Peps discusses the big levers we can pull to build motivation in our classrooms. Via Twitter listeners can also get involved in a conversation about motivation with Peps and colleagues by commenting what they find challenging about motivation beneath the Naylor’s Natter post. About Peps Mccrea You can follow Peps on Twitter. His Twitter handle is @PepsMccrea. You can find out more about Pep’s career, his work and the books he has written here: About the Academy Transformation Trust Institute You can also read more about ATT Institute’s people development curriculum in SecEd: The Academy Transformation Trust is also curating a blog series titled ‘A Letter to my NQT Self’ through which educators reflect on their NQT year and offer advice to their NQT self. The purpose is to offer practical advice, reassurance and celebrate the teaching profession amongst NQTs. Follow the hashtag #NQTLetter and click on the link to read and engage: We also have our regular TDT input as well as our #teacher5aday regular section
November 20, 2020
Preserving positivity with Teacher Wellbeing and Self-care- Haili Hughes, Dr Emma Kell and Adrian Bethune
Haili Hughes on Preserving Positivity Thousands of amazing, experienced teachers are choosing to leave the profession, depriving generations of students of their passion and expertise. But it doesn't need to be this way. Preserving Positivity explores the reasons why people are choosing to leave the classroom and draws on the voices of other experienced teachers who tell us how they turned their careers around and give practical, adaptable strategies that will help you reignite your passion for teaching and bring the positivity back into your classroom. Dr Emma Kell and Adrian Bethune on Teacher Wellbeing and Self-Care Teachers can’t teach effectively if they’re demotivated and exhausted; and they shouldn’t they have to! A Little Guide for Teachers: Teacher Wellbeing and Self-Care explains how wellbeing is essential to effective teaching, and gives teachers practical tools to take back control of the classroom. The Little Guide for Teachers series is little in size but BIG on all the support and inspiration you need to navigate your day to day life as a teacher. ·       Authored by experts in the field ·       Easy to dip in-and-out of ·       Interactive activities encourage you to write into the book and make it your own ·       Fun engaging illustrations throughout ·       Read in an afternoon or take as long as you like with it! Sue Roffey on #teacher5aday
November 13, 2020
Zoe Enser and Jenny Webb with Kat Howard.
Zoe Enser  I'm an experienced educational professional who has worked across the state sector for over 20 years. Specialisms in English Language, Literature, Media, Film and literacy across the curriculum. Also middle leadership, staff development and development of effective teaching and learning strategies across schools. I am currently working as a Specialist Advisor for English across Kent. Not only do I offer support in curriculum design and English teaching, but also Middle Leadership, whole school pedagogy and curriculum development and topics such as working with disadvantaged students. I also am an occasional writer for TES, Secondary Magazine and I blog at I am also the co-author of the upcoming book Generative Learning in Action written with Mark Enser, and published in conjunction with Tom Sherrington, Oliver Caviglioli as part of the 'In Action' series. I have also written case studies for Michael Chiles book The Craft of Assessment, Jamie Thom's Quiet Teaching and Mark Enser's Teaching Like Nobody's Watching. I am currently working on a project around teacher development. Commentating on what motivated her to write the book with her husband, Zoe says: "I had been a long time follower of Tom Sherrington and had seen him discuss a range of topics at ResearchEd events as well as having read his books, so I was obviously intrigued when he approached me to see if we would be interested in writing a book for his ‘In Action’ series. I had been aware of Generative Learning for a few years and used some of the strategies in my own classroom, but it was only as I began to delve into the research behind the activities that I began to realise how powerful it could be. Of course, I was then keen to tell Tom we would be delighted to write the book." Jenny Webb I am a teacher, leader, author, blogger and speaker. I am currently Assistant Principal: Teaching, Learning and Staff Development at Co-op Academy Leeds, and have worked at a number of other schools in West Yorkshire, as a Head of English, an AST and a Lead Practitioner. I am the author of the best selling book, ‘How to Teach English Literature: Overcoming Cultural Poverty’ (2019) and ‘Teach Like a Writer’ (2020), both available on Amazon. I deliver regular online CPD to hundreds of teachers every month and raise funds for a number of charities through ticket sales. I am privileged to work with a highly talented and dynamic team, learning that leadership is hard but rewarding, and that mistakes are gold dust if you embrace them. I’m mum to two beautiful little boys; the most important and challenging job and learning experience in the world! I blog in order to develop myself, reflect on my experiences and share good practice. Find me on Twitter: @FunkyPedagogy Check out my CPD sessions on Eventbrite and on Vimeo.
November 6, 2020
Let's talk about Flex with Emma Turner and guests! Dr. Lucy Kelly in #teacher5aday and the return of the TDT with David Weston
The narrative around flexible working needs flipping. After being able to work flexibly for 14 of her 23 years in education across teaching, school leadership and MAT leadership roles, Emma Turner realised that sadly, she's actually in the minority and has just been kinda lucky. Across the education system, although there is a recent groundswell of support for developing more life-friendly, innovative and flexi ways of working, there are still a great deal of misconceptions, biases and prejudices about flexible working and flexible workers. Through her 'playlist' of educational floor fillers, Emma explores some of the successful ways in which flexible working can be viewed by both employers and employees for staff at all levels, including senior and school leadership. Designed to open up the flexible working conversation, this book outlines what can work, what has worked and what could work. This new way of viewing the flexi narrative from an experienced flex-pert encourages all to revisit our views on flexible working. Dr Lucy Kelly with Martyn Reah  After the success of the previous seven #teacher5aday #slowchats we return during October half term 2020 to plan for national #teacher5aday week in December and celebrate how we survived the most challenging half term so far. The daily chats will be the starting point for our week of wellbeing that we think will be so needed as we approach Christmas this year. Each host will share one of the elements of #teacher5aday along with their views of how to incorporate some ideas into you personal wellbeing survival pack. The New Economics Foundation have shated their ideas about Mental Health and Hope during Covid 19 which has provided some inspiration for this version of slowchat. For those of you who remember #PedagooHampshire I hope national #teacher5aday week this year will have a similar impact. A festival of happy and healthy teachers turning their learning into development with wellbeing and its heart. Teacher Development Trust Section
October 30, 2020
Success in Education: My Life as an Autistic Student’ with John Simpson and #Teacher5aday with Patrick Otley-O'Connor and Martyn Reah
.‘Success in Education: My Life as an Autistic Student’ with John Simpson In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews John Simpson: trainer and founder of ‘Inspirational Autism.’ John draws on his experience of having Asperger’s and the impact that being undiagnosed at school had, offering our listeners a really rich insight into what we can do practically to support children and young people with autism. He also shares with the Naylor’s Natter listeners some of his proudest achievements to date. About John You can follow John on Twitter. His Twitter handle is @JohnSimpsonIAT and find out more about the training and consultancy service he offers through Inspirational Autism here: Some of the many ways John can offer to support schools and communities with their inclusive practice are: 1:1 consultation sessions for autistic people, families, and anyone else who'd be interested in his input School visits through which he will look at the school day through the lens of a person with Autism to offer practical advice that will drive school’s inclusive practive. Deliver keynotes and workshops. About the Academy Transformation Trust Institute To find out more about ATT’s Institute click on this link: You can also read more about ATT Institute’s people development curriculum in SecEd: The Academy Transformation Trust is also curating a blog series titled ‘A Letter to my NQT Self’ through which educators reflect back on their NQT year and offer advice to their NQT self. The purpose is to offer practical advice, reassurance and celebrate the teaching profession amongst NQTs. Follow the hashtag #NQTLetter and click on the link to read and engage: #teacher5aday has its weekly slot , this week sees Martyn Reah in conversation with Patrick Otley-O'Connor 
October 23, 2020
How to Educate a Citizen with Professor E.D. Hirsch
About Professor ED Hirsch  He is professor emeritus of education and humanities at the University of Virginia. In the 1960s Hirsch's Validity in Interpretation made an important contribution to contemporary literary theory and established him as "the founder of contemporary intentionalism," defending the notion of objectivity in humanistic studies and distinguishing between the "meaning" of a text, which relates to understanding and does not change, and its "significance", which relates to explanation and changes over time. In popular culture Hirsch is best known for his work on cultural literacy, and is the founder and chairman of the Core Knowledge Foundation. Beginning in 1990s, Hirsch began publishing books in the Core Knowledge Grader Series which the Foundation describes as "an engaging, illustrated guide to the essential knowledge outlined in the Core Knowledge Sequence" including information and activities for teachers, parents and children, as well as suggestions for related readings and resources. There are currently eight books in print, beginning with What Your Preschooler Needs to Know and ending with What Your Sixth Grader Needs to Know. The books have been particularly popular with parents who homeschool, as well as parents whose children attend Core Knowledge schools, and have been revised and updated over the years. In How to Educate a Citizen, E.D. Hirsch continues the conversation he began thirty years ago with his classic bestseller Cultural Literacy, urging America’s public schools, particularly at the elementary level, to educate our children more effectively to help heal and preserve the nation. Since the 1960s, our schools have been relying on “child-centered learning.” History, geography, science, civics, and other essential knowledge have been dumbed down by vacuous learning “techniques” and “values-based” curricula; indoctrinated by graduate schools of education, administrators and educators have believed they are teaching reading and critical thinking skills. Yet these cannot be taught in the absence of strong content, Hirsch argues. The consequence is a loss of shared knowledge that would enable us to work together, understand one another, and make coherent, informed decisions. A broken approach to school not only leaves our children under-prepared and erodes the American dream but also loosens the spiritual bonds and unity that hold the nation together. Drawing on early schoolmasters and educational reformers such as Noah Webster and Horace Mann, Hirsch charts the rise and fall of the American early education system and provides a blueprint for closing the national gap in knowledge, communications, and allegiance. Critical and compelling, How to Educate a Citizen galvanizes our schools to equip children with the power of shared knowledge. Available here: #teacher5aday Martyn Reah is in conversation with Abigail Mann in our regular spotlight on wellbeing 
October 16, 2020
Back on Track with Mary Myatt
Mary Myatt is an education adviser, writer and speaker. Mary trained as an RE teacher and has worked as a local authority adviser and inspector. She engages with pupils, teachers and leaders about learning, leadership and the curriculum. Mary has written extensively about leadership, school improvement and the curriculum: ‘Back on Track’, ‘High Challenge, Low Threat’, ‘Hopeful Schools’ and ‘The Curriculum: Gallimaufry to Coherence’. Mary has been a governor in three schools, and a trustee for a multi academy trust. She co-founded the RE Quality Mark, is chair of the board for the Centre for Education and Youth and a member of the curriculum advisory group for Oak National Academy. The book: There are a lot of redundant processes in schools. We need to take a hard look at these and consider whether they are adding value to the core purpose of schools. We need to apply Greg McKeown's 'disciplined pursuit of less' in order to create the time and space to do deep, satisfying work on the curriculum. This means that there will be some hard choices and recognise that if we cannot do everything, we need to move to a space which acknowledges there will be trade offs. This is more than a workload issue, it is about focusing our efforts on the most important agenda item in schools today - the development of an ambitious curriculum for every child, in every school. Available here: TDT section Bethan is in conversation about the new online CPD leadership course
October 9, 2020
Supporting Staff Mental Health in Your School- Amy Sayer with Jo Jukes
About Amy Amy Sayer has been a secondary school teacher for the past 12 years. She has completed her NPQSL qualification on supporting disadvantaged students in her school. She is a trained Mental Health First Aider and has previously been her school’s mental health and wellbeing lead, helping them to achieve the prestigious Carnegie Centre of Excellence in Mental Health Award in 2019. She has also led a roundtable discussion at the Annual Mental Health Conference run by Leeds Beckett University. Amy has recently had articles published in Teach Secondary, SecEd and Tes. These have been of a range of issues from supporting student mental health, discussions about staff mental health and supporting students with Asperger’s Syndrome. Supporting Staff Mental Health in Your School- This is an accessible guide for schools explaining how to implement effective techniques to improve staff mental health. Drawing on case studies from years of experience supporting staff mental health, Amy Sayer introduces inexpensive, practical and realistic strategies that schools can implement to ensure the mental wellbeing of teaching staff. This book provides steps to ensure that self-care and family time do not slip under the radar in the face of increasing pressure and limited resources. From providing adequate staff room facilities to ensuring that teachers can set clear boundaries around weekends and break times, these ideas create and foster a culture of openness around mental health and help teachers to re-discover their love of teaching. Available here:
October 2, 2020
The return of the Strickomaster with Emma Turner - Education Exposed 2
.Education Exposed 2 follows on from Sam Strickland's first book, Education Exposed. The book is a pacy, punchy and forthright critique of how to drive the curriculum, behaviour and teaching within a school and the pivotal role that leadership plays in pursuing the halcyon dream. The book is neatly laid out, with each chapter identifying common curricular misconceptions, posing lots of key questions to consider and offering multiple practical ideas that you can take away. Every chapter ends with five key takeaway points for you to carefully consider. The books neatly interplays theory, research, Sam's expertise and experience coupled with a practical and real-world approach. The first section of the book champions the importance of the curriculum and knowledge. The second section examines behaviour and how this can be driven by senior leaders coupled routine driven approach to learning. This section also takes you through a series of curriculum tools and teaching approaches that will assist you in thinking about how to implement and drive the curriculum. The third section of the book examines leadership; how leaders can champion the teacher as the expert and how a school culture can be supported and monitored carefully. Education Exposed 2 is relevant for anyone working in a school, irrespective of their position or role. It is designed to be an accessible, versatile and quick read. Equally, it can be used as a dip-in and dip-out guide. Multiple practical approaches and strategies are offered as key take-away points. Book available here: TDT Section Michelle interviews David about appraisal and the evidence base for performance management
September 25, 2020
Elizabeth Bowling on writing across the curriculum with Nimish Lad
Elisabeth Bowling is Assistant Principal and Head of English at Hethersett Academy, Norwich. She studied English literature and language at the University of Oxford and started teaching English as a foreign language in academies in Spain, before teaching in secondary schools in London and Norwich. As part of her Master’s degree, she focused on literacy and oracy and now writes about education at She has spoken at Team English National Conference 2019 and at the Inspiration Trust’s English Symposium. She tweets about education, books, and occasionally her cat Chekhov. @elucymay  
September 18, 2020
Running the Room with Tom Bennett
About Tom  Tom Bennett was a teacher in the East End of London for thirteen years. Currently he is the Director and founder of researchED, a grass-roots, teacher-led project that aims to make teachers research-literate and pseudo-science proof. Since 2013 researchED has grown from a tweet to an international conference movement that so far has spanned three continents and six countries. In 2009 he was made a Teacher Fellow of Corpus Christi College, Cambridge University. From 2008-2016 he wrote a weekly column for the TES and TES online, and is the author of four books on teacher-training, behaviour management and educational research. In 2015 he was long listed for the GEMS Global Teacher Prize, and in that year was listed as one of the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Educational Bloggers In March 2017, Tom published an independent review of behaviour in schools.  He recently chaired the Behaviour Management Group for the DfE and is currently their Independent Behaviour Advisor. He coaches teachers and schools internationally in all aspects of behaviour management and research integration. He currently leads the Department for Education’s Behaviour Hubs project, a £10 million program designed to reboot behaviour skills in disadvantaged schools throughout the UK. About Running the Room  Good behaviour is the beginning of great learning. All children deserve classrooms that are calm, safe spaces where everyone is treated with dignity. Creating that space is one of the most important things a teacher needs to be able to do. But all too often teachers begin their careers with the bare minimum of training - or worse, none. How students behave, socially and academically, dictates whether or not they will succeed or struggle in school. Every child comes to the classroom with different skills, habits, values and expectations of what to do. There's no point just telling a child to behave; behaviour must be taught. Behaviour is a curriculum. This simple truth is the beginning of creating a classroom culture where everyone flourishes: pupils and staff. Running the Room is the teacher's guide to behaviour. Practical, evidence-informed, and based on the expertise of great teachers from around the world, it addresses the things teachers really need to know to build the classrooms children need. Bursting with strategies, tips and solid advice, it brings together the best of what we know and saves teachers, new or old, from reinventing the wheels of the classroom. It's the book teachers have been waiting for. Buy here: Tom and Tom Sherrington: TDT Section Maria and Bethan are in discussion about the new TDT Masters , click the link above to find out more.
September 11, 2020
Teaching Rebooted- Jon Tait @teamtait with Bernie Kaye
About Jon Jon is an experienced senior leader and current deputy headteacher working in a large and diverse secondary school in Middlesbrough. As a classroom teacher he has experience of working in 3 different North East schools for over 15 years. Trained as a Physical Education teacher, Jon taught both boys and girls PE for over 10 years as well as more recently teaching Computer Science. Jon is an expert in teaching and learning and is responsible for the strategic leadership of the quality of teaching in his school. Jon has also been recognised by Microsoft as one of their Microsoft Innovative Educator Experts and forms part of their global educator visionary team, showcasing how technology can pave the way to better student outcomes. Jon regularly writes for his own education blog on topics about strategic school leadership and classroom pedagogy. He also is a regular education blogger for various UK education websites and contributes regular thoughts and think pieces on topical matters across the education landscape. Jon is also a published author for Bloomsbury Publishing – ‘100 Ideas on Engaging Learners’ (published August 2017) and ‘Senior Leadership’ for the Bloomsbury CPD Library (due to be published summer 2018). This weeks book  Teaching Rebooted uncovers the most important pieces of educational research on the science of learning, helping teachers to understand how we learn and retain information. Jon Tait explores strategies such as metacognition, interleaving, dual coding and retrieval practice, examining the evidence behind each approach and providing practical ideas to embed them in classroom practice. This pick-up-and-go manual highlights some of the classroom fads that have come and gone to allow readers to reflect on their practice and decision-making. It offers practical tips to help teachers change what they are doing in the classroom straightaway, bridging the gap between academic research and day-to-day practice for teachers at any stage of their career. Written by an experienced senior leader responsible for teaching and learning, school improvement, professional development and educational research, this guide will help reboot teaching so it is both evidence informed and effective. TDT section  We have Michelle in conversation with Kathryn Morgan on collaboration and they kick off this weeks show Next week: Running the Room with Tom Bennett
September 4, 2020
Educating with Purpose with Stephen Tierney @leadinglearner
In this week's interview, Phil is in conversation with Stephen Tierney @leadinglearner about his new John Catt book 'Educating with Purpose'  About the book: The past decade in education focused on what works. The decade ahead must focus on what matters. In his second book, Stephen Tierney argues that it is time for the purpose of education to move to the centre of the debate. Why we educate is a question from which all else evolves. A question for all times, it will resonate deeply with those who have experienced the Great Pause caused by the global pandemic in 2020. And it is a question that we need to answer, because that purpose will determine what schools and the education system as a whole will do next. Proposing that the telos of education must be a life well-lived, Tierney argues for a re-purposing of education. He provides the theory of four philosophies of education - personal empowerment, cultural transmission, preparation for work and preparation for citizenship - alongside a powerful critique that challenges the current orthodoxy. Available here: About Stephen: Until recently I was CEO of the Blessed Edward Bamber Catholic Multi Academy Trust. A trust in Blackpool including Christ the King and St. Cuthbert’s Catholic Acadamies – primary schools – and St. Mary’s Catholic Academy is an 11-18 school.  I chair the Headteachers’ Roundtable Group. My first and probably only book is titled Liminal Leadership and is available via John Catt Ltd or Amazon.  Liminal Leadership is based on my reflections of thirty years of leading and learning; it is written for teachers and leaders who want to reflect on their current or future practice. In September 2013, I became Executive Headteacher of St. Mary’s Catholic College and Christ the King Catholic Primary School.  These two Blackpool school’s first hard federated in January 2009.  Previously I had been the headteacher of St. Mary’s Catholic College from September 2000 and thirteen years of headship have been a real rollercoaster of a journey.  St. Mary’s is a hugely exciting place to work.  We know we need to go the extra mile with our students, staff’s generosity and willingness to work with and for students whilst supporting each other adds to the wonderful ethos that permeates the school.  Whilst at St. Mary’s I was very involved with the Specialist Schools & Academies Trust. Prior to headship I was Deputy Headteacher at Our Lady’s Catholic High School, Lancaster and Head of Science at De La Salle in St. Helen’s.  My career started in Blackburn at Notre Dame Catholic High School in September 1988 with the school amalgamating the following year to form Our Lady & St. John’s Catholic High School. I am fascinated by leadership, learning, pedagogy and the curriculum and these elements have been intertwined throughout my professional life so far. TDT section  This week Michelle is in conversation withBethan on CPD Leadership in 2020/21. This is a very important topic as we return to school next week. Next week- John Tait with Bernie Kaye 
August 28, 2020
Toria Bono on TVT with Abby Bayford and Kat Howard and Claire Hill on their book Symbiosis with Jo Jukes
‘Empowering Tiny Voices’ with Torio Bono In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews Toria Bono about Tiny Voice Tuesday Unites: a Twitter community established by Toria to help educators be heard from around the world. Toria also discusses the importance of growing our professional learning network; helping people find their voice and her commitment to equity, inclusion and diversity. Our TDT section sees Michelle Barker, Communication and Network Lead, talk to Bethan Hindley, Training Programme Lead, about utilising  lockdown CPD and leadership of CPD. About Toria Toria’s hashtags: #BrewEdFindYourVoice will be a day filled with inspirational presentations and fabulous discussions that will get you ready for the coming year. What is it? #BrewEdFindYourVoice When is it? Saturday 29th August How do you access it? Click on Toria’s pinned tweet – @toriaclaire – at 9am that day. We also have Jo Jukes interviewing Kat and Claire on their John Catt book 'Symbiosis' When the teaching profession places the curriculum at the heart of what it does, transformative change can take place. Curriculum reform is now at the forefront of every school agenda; in spite of this, there is a danger that its message may become lost in translation. When curricular change is poorly implemented, teachers experience a complete detachment from their sense of purpose, autonomy, and capacity to become curriculum designers of the future. Employing an astute blend of theory and practice, Claire Hill and Kat Howard offer a methodical approach to designing and delivering a curriculum, to ensure that all feel part of a collective curricular journey. At a time when work on the curriculum can be politicised, monetised and overcomplicated, Symbiosis: The Curriculum and the Classroom provides a series of practical strategies for curriculum designers at every level, in order to not only keep and develop the skilled and professional teachers desperately needed in schools, but also to provide a world-class curriculum to students. Available here: Next week- Stephen Tierney on Educating with purpose 
August 21, 2020
Richard Gerver interviewed by Emma Turner plus Neil Reynolds with Phil Naylor
Richard Gerver has been described as one of the most inspirational leaders of his generation. He is an award-winning speaker, bestselling author and world-renowned thinker. Richard began his career in education, most notably as headmaster of the failing Grange Primary School. In just two years, he famously transformed the school into one of the most acclaimed learning environments in the world. He was celebrated by UNESCO and the UK Government for its incredible turnaround. ​Richard has since transitioned to the global stage where he uses his trademark humour and natural style to deliver passionate, provocative and authentic speeches. He draws upon the first-hand experiences and unique insights garnered from frontline education to explore the links between great leadership, human potential, change and innovation. His ability to connect experiences across many seemingly different environments helps people to expand their thinking and perception of potential. It is this authenticity and uniqueness which has helped Richard win him global acclaim and invitations to speak on the most recognised stages, including TED, the RSA and BBC radio. Richard is also a bestselling author. His first book, Creating Tomorrow’s Schools Today (now in its second edition), has become a seminal text around the world for those engaged in the transformation of education. His other books are explorations of human potential, leadership and success. In Change and Simple Thinking, Richard explores the world beyond school, through the eyes of an educator. Both have received critical and public success; both achieving global bestseller status. All his books have been translated into a multitude of languages including Spanish, Chinese and Korean. Richard's latest book, Education: A Manifesto for Change, explores how our school system can be made fit for purpose in our turbulent 21st-century world. Most importantly, Richard is always humbled to be able to share his lifelong commitment to living, learning and laughing. Neil Reynolds is the Headteacher at South Shore Academy in Blackpool. He has led the school on an incredible Journey since becoming Headteacher . He is also the First Team manager at FC United of Manchester . He has a UEFA B coaching badge . This conversation is about leadership, inspiring people and working with high performing teams. This interview was recorded in May of 2020. 
August 14, 2020
Nimish Lad with Flávia Belham -Chief Scientist @SenecaLearn
This week sees the addition of Nimish Lad to the Naylor’s Natter team. Nimish is Vice Principal for Curriculum and Assessment at Wrenn school in Wellingborough. He is also a teacher of science and enjoys engaging with educational research. Nimish is interviewing Dr Flavia Belham. Flavia is chief scientific officer for Seneca Learn, a social enterprise that provides free online learning resources for students created with the aid of cognitive science. As part of her role, Flavia has attended schools to present of how cognitive science can be applied within the classroom. She has also presented at researchED on why students don’t use effective learning strategies, which is the focus of this podcast.
August 7, 2020
Botheredness and much more- Abby Bayford interviews Hywel Roberts
.Botherdness’ with Hywel Roberts….listed out for our competition to win a copy of Hywel’s book ‘Oops! Helping children learn accidentally.’ In this podcast Abby Bayford, Director of Institute at the Academy Transformation Trust, interviews Hywel and asks him what he means by the neologism ‘botherdness.’ He discusses the importance of serving a warm curriculum by cultivating a ‘botherdness’ that leaves children and young people eager for more. Hywel also talks about his own experience as an early career teacher and offers the Naylors Natter listeners the opportunity to win a copy of his book ‘Oops’ by posting advice to their NQT self beneath the podcast Twitter post, using the #NQTLetter. The winner will be selected at random at the beginning of September. Our TDT section sees Bethan and David talk about online learning, what's new and what's here to stay. About Hywel,the%20world%2C%20via%20an%20array%20of%20educational%20organisations. About the Academy Transformation Trust Institute The ATT Institute will officially launch in September. Join the Teacher Development Trust online on Thursday 24th September 2020 7-9pm who are hosting the ATT Institute launch and hear from experts Kathryn Morgan, Sir David Carter, Sam Twiselton OBE, David Weston and Naureen Khalid on the art of leadership, evidence-informed development, community and much more. Register via this link:
July 31, 2020
The rED guide to the curriculum with Clare Sealy
researchED is an educator-led organisation with the goal of bridging the gap between research and practice. This accessible and punchy series, overseen by founder Tom Bennett, tackles the most important topics in education, with a range of experienced contributors exploring the latest evidence and research and how it can apply in a variety of classroom settings. In this edition, Clare Sealy explores how schools can get the most out of a rich curriculum, editing contributions from a wide range of writers, including: Neil Almond; Andrew Percival; Doug Lemov and Emily Badillo; Sonia Thompson; Christine Counsell; Michael Young; Ruth Ashbee; and Aurora Reid.
July 24, 2020
Jo Jukes debut interview with 'The Researcher Teacher' Nimish Lad.........Its a Nimish Natter!
This week sees the addition of Jo Jukes to the Naylor's Natter team . Jo is the Trust Curriculum Research Lead @TEAL_Trust and @ResearchWolds. Jo is a Teacher of Business and will be contributing interviews regularly to the podcast. Jo is interviewing Nimish Lad Nimish is a highly motivated, enthusiastic and experienced senior leader in the education sector. A passionate education leader, Nimish had a high level of experience and expertise gained from nearly a decade in educational leadership roles. Nimish is delighted to now be focusing his energy in leading Curriculum, Sixth form, Data, Reporting and Intervention at a high performing secondary school in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire. As a key member of the senior leadership team, Nimish champions the values of the school in which he works – Working hard, Respecting others, Enjoy learning, Never give up, Nothing is impossible. Instilling these values in the lessons he delivers and the teams he leads, Nimish has ensured that all stakeholders have the information they need to drive the rapid improvement that has taken place over the last few years. During his time on the senior leadership team, the school has moved from an Ofsted grading of a 4, to a Ofsted grade of a 2 within 18 months. Nimish had driven the school to improve the use of data to plan lessons, and ensure that leaders at all level have access to the information they require to drive rapid progress and transformational change. Over his first two years on the senior leadership team the progress 8 score of the school improved by +0.5 with the percentage of students achieving English and maths at a grade 4 increasing by 22%. Keen to share his expertise, Nimish has presented for ResearchED, Educating Northants NEDTalks and PiXL in the past, as well as hosting a global teachmeet for Its Learning. He is also completing his NPQH this year, conducting his 2nd placement in a local junior school. Next week Phil interviews Joe Nutt 
July 17, 2020
The Godfather of podcasting Craig Barton interviewed by Simon Cox
This week Simon Cox is in the presenting chair interviewing my hero , the godfather of podcasting Mr Craig Barton . In the podcast pedagogy, Rachel Ball joins me to have a look at the rise of the education podcasts . We navigate the best podcasts in other genres and signpost you to Rachel's picks. Next week we have another new podcasting dream team , Nimish Lad and Joanna Jukes who will be interviewing each other.
July 10, 2020
Aziza Ajak on venturing into school leadership
Aziza Ajak is a Science teacher and a Vice Principal   @durham_uni BSc |@imperialcollege MSc |@UCL MA |@teachfirst2014 | NPQSL | Science teacher & Vice Principal @GoresbrookSc @teachfirst trustee 1)Could you start by telling listeners about your career journey to this point including your 10% braver more like 100% braver on your journey to assistant headship ?   2) Your March 2018 blog ‘is it as simple as just saying thank you - how to value and develop individuals in resource limited schools . How can slt particularly now genuinely demonstrate valuing staff?   3) How do we get recruitment and new staff induction right ? What is a Friyay trolley ?   4) Could you give listeners a senior leadership perspective on implementing while class feedback   5) From a look in the mirror , how do you juggle the competing responsibilities of teaching and learning and behaviour?   6) From your blog , new young or inexperienced. Could you share the context for your discussion?   7) Could you tell listeners about  authentic leadership ?   8) Why is it important to talk about authentic leadership    Could you signpost listeners to your blog, website and your crowdcast with Niall Alcock ?
July 3, 2020
A Sage on the Stage with Michael Zwaagstra
This week I am joined by Michael Zwaagstra to discuss his John Catt book - A Sage on the Stage Our discussion Could you start by giving us a brief history of your career to this point?  Chapter one-  foolish educational fads is a fantastic read and one which will chime with many of our listeners , Could you outline some of those educational fads and gimmicks and tell us why education fads do teachers and kids no favours ?  • A big question in chapter 2 raising academic standards- why should schools focus on the essentials and what are the essentials?  •In chapter 3 you outlined that tests are good for students could you tell us more?  •Could you tell us why content knowledge is important ? (perhaps taking in the explanation of Lord of the rings from the start of the chapter and how Tolkien showed a tremendous amount of creativity and even more importantly content knowledge in his Lord of the rings trilogy)  •Why does discovery maths not add up?  •My favourite chapter of the book is Chapter 7- improving life for teachers and students.  There is some fantastic common-sense advice in this chapter, firstly why is it time to call time on cell phones in school?  •Will longer school days make students smarter?  •Does every student deserve a personalised learning experience that matches his or her unique learning style?  •Are distractions sometimes good for learning?  •Is it valuable sometimes instead of bringing in a new initiative to simply stop doing things that aren't working as you put it improve teacher working conditions by dumping bad ideas?  •Are gadgets in classrooms just gimmicks and should technology drive education reform?   •Could you tell us where listeners could find out more about you and A Sage on the stage?   In podcast pedagogy , I am currently reading the rED guide to the curriculum edited by Claire Sealey who will be a guest in a few weeks.
June 26, 2020
'When the adults change, everything changes' with Paul Dix
Welcome to this weeks Naylor’s Natter . This week is a special episode that I have been sitting on for some time. As you will all know , I was due to help host with my colleague Mr Simon Cox the behemoth that is rED Blackpool. At this conference , I was due to speak about behaviour , not because I am some kind of expert but because I am a student of behaviour . I would like to think that after years of honing my own behaviour management that I am stronger in this area than at any stage of my career. I attribute this to learning from and listening to many of the big voices in behaviour over 20 years . I started by learning from Lee Canter’s assertive discipline and this was a book I re-read each and every August before returning to school. I also discovered the behavior guru Bill Rogers and read many of Bill’s books and devoured his videos. The talk I referred to earlier was entitled ‘Behaviour- Ideology, evidence and pragmatism’ . Behaviour more than any other issue in school is highly controversial and teachers and leaders have many and varied styles and rationales for the behaviour policy they adopt . Teachers and leaders seem to have a strong position on their preferred behaviour approach and some seem to favour a particular camp or approach . This is very much teacher’s own choice and I fully understand that teachers are attached to their own particular style or strategy . The strap line for this podcast is talking to teacher and this is very much a philosophy that we at Naylor’s natter want to promote. On the podcast we have spoken to Sam Strickland, Tom Bennett , Kiran Gill , Jules Daulby and many other on their philosophy of behaviour . What hopefully listeners will find is that whatever your preferred style  , there is something to be gained from listening to everyone in the debate on behaviour . This week’s guest is Paul Dix. Paul has written the hugely successful ‘When the adults change, everything changes’ and is an experienced teacher and a leading voice in education . What struck me in our pre-lockdown February half-term conversation is how much great advice for teachers there is within this book and how practical its application can be . Paul speaks humbly about his own practice in the classroom , his rationale for writing the book to help teachers like himself and how reading this book many change your view of how you approach behaviour but also of his approach . Lot’s of the debate on social media is quite binary , this approach is good that one isn’t . This behaviour expert is right , this one is wrong and the levels of praise or vitriol can be off putting particularly with new teachers. This is a podcast to approach with an open mind , there will be something for you here whatever your current view on behaviour . You will hopefully see as I did , the common themes coming through from all the podcasts we have done on behaviour . I found Paul utterly charming and giving of his time and whilst I wont adopt everything we discussed , he really made me think about how to refine my own practice and that of the school . Thank you Paul We have our regular TDT section which this week is anything but regular as we have leadership legend and friend of the show Jill Berry back to talk about leadership. In podcast pedagogy this week I am reading the researched guide to the curriculum – an evidence informed guide for teachers edited by Claire Sealey who I will be speaking to soon about this new John Catt book . I am also revisiting retrieval practice – research and resources for every classroom from the wonderful Kate Jones .
June 12, 2020
The CRAFT of Assessment with Michael Chiles
This week I am in conversation with Michael Chiles on his book 'The CRAFT of Assessment' .  About Michael Principal Examiner • HOD • Trainer • Author of CRAFT with @johncatt @SenecaLearn Ambassador • Border Collie Owner • Michael's career began as a Geography teacher in a secondary school in the West Midlands where he became head of department and then a senior leader with responsibility for teaching and learning . He then relocated to the north-west, taking a short period of time out of the classroom to develop and deliver teacher training both nationally and internationally . He is now head of department in a secondary school in the north-west. TDT section  Michelle talks to TDT CEO David Weston about the importance of culture  Podcast pedagogy This week I am reading 'A Sage on the Stage' by Michael Zwaagstra. Shameless plugs I will be speaking at #newED on behaviour on the 27th June , more information here: I will also be presenting a keynote at the RSC conference (Wales) on 24th June , more information to follow.  Next week  Paul Dix on When the adults change 
June 5, 2020
The Power of Culture with Katie Ashford and Pritesh Raichura AND BBC Bitesize with Jordan Firth................CONTAINS DISCOUNT CODE INSIDE
A special podcast this week to mark the release of  'The Power of Culture' .We have interviews with authors from the ensemble cast of Michaela Teachers , namely Katie Ashford and friend of the show Pritesh Raichura. We also have an exclusive discount code for Naylor's Natter listeners embedded within.  We are also delighted to be teaming up with BBC Bitesize to bring you interviews with their class of 2020 and we start this week with Jordan Firth. We talk about his teacher talks, his podcast and his love of Leeds United. Our TDT section sees Michelle in conversation with Bethan about focus and we all look forward to the TDT conference coming soon. About Katie About Pritesh The book- The Power of Culture REMEMBER NN EXCLUSIVE DISCOUNT IN THE PODCAST  About Jordan Next week - Michael Chiles on 'The Craft of Assessment' 
May 29, 2020
The Difference with Kiran Gill and Putting Staff First with John Tomsett -discount code on PSF available inside
We are spoiling you with another double issue! This week we have interviews with The Difference founder and CEO Kiran Gill and Headteacher and author John Tomsett.  WE ALSO HAVE A DISCOUNT CODE FOR PSF, LISTEN CAREFULLY! About Kiran  Kiran is Founder and CEO of The Difference – an organisation which is creating a new generation of school leaders, specialist in improving outcomes for the most vulnerable children.Kiran began her career in inner-city London, as an English teacher in schools serving the most deprived postcodes in the country.  After five years on the frontline, Kiran left to work in education policy, searching for solutions to the rising number of vulnerable children who fall through the gaps.  Kiran was working at Social Mobility Commission when she conceived the idea for The Difference.  She has led its work full-time since January 2017.Kiran is driven by her own family experiences. Growing up with two adopted sisters, Kiran witnessed the long-term effects of childhood trauma and the lack of support for young people with complex needs. This insight is what keeps Kiran striving for the most vulnerable children to get the education they deserve. About John  John has been a teacher for 31 years, a Head teacher for 16 years. John is the author of 3 education books He is a frequent blogger and popular speaker. The natters in brief Kiran with Kathryn Brief introduction from Kathryn on Kiran, who she is and what she does. 1. We know of Kiran Gill as Founder and CEO of The Difference but please tell listeners a little more about yourself and your journey from classroom teacher in inner-city London to CEO at The Difference. 2. In what way did your insights from being a teacher in inner-city London inspire and motivate you to incubate your idea for The Difference? 3. In 2017 you had raised enough capital to fund a research paper with think tank IPPR, to understand rising school exclusion and look for solutions to this growing problem. Tell listeners more about what that research entailed and what some of the headlines from the paper were. 4. In 2018, you were asked to contribute to the DfE’s Timpson Review of school exclusions. What were some of the main headlines from that review and how did it further help to shape your thinking at The Difference? John with Phil  Recruiting the best 1. No one wants to spend their career at odds with the organisation in which they work. Why is culture more important than money? 2. Huntington school is well known and respected as a place where teachers can develop, how did you go about establishing that Staffs obligation to improve their practise is a non-negotiable? 3. You go into detail about your process for selection, right through from providing the candidate with water rather than faffy tea or coffee through to the interview lesson. One section that struck me is the Storey you put in good subject knowledge. How important is subject expertise and can this be developed in the same way as pedagogy. Next week Pritesh Raichura on Michaela's The Power of Culture and Neil Reynolds on leadership in schools and football  Links
May 22, 2020
The Teaching Delusion with Bruce Robertson AND Kathryn Morgan interviews Chloe Woodhouse and Caroline Spalding
This week sees another double-header which are proving very popular during Lockdown. We have Bruce Robertson in conversation with Phil about his John Catt book 'The Teaching Delusion' and Kathryn Morgan in conversation with Chloe Woodhouse and Caroline Spalding. We also have Michelle chatting to Maria in our TDT section on the use of expert knowledge.  About Bruce  Senior Leader of Teaching & Learning in the Scottish Borders | Author of 'The Teaching Delusion': & About Caroline Assistant Headteacher KS4, RSL & PP | Future Leaders cohort ‘19 |@SLTchat team member | Co-organiser @TeamEnglishNC @WomenEdEM Network Lead | Wrestling fan About Chloe Assistant Headteacher KS3 & PP |#TeamEnglish | SLE | PiXL associate | NPQSL | Co-organiser of @TeamEnglishNC | Geek | Comic book fan | Always on the dance floor The Natters The Teaching Delusion: Gentle introduction question, listeners will be familiar with you and your book 'The Teaching Delusion' from your summary in a previous podcast but could you tell us a little more about you and your career to date? BIG question starter , what is the purpose of school and a pertinent follow up is will this change as and when we return? 'Learning in schools is different from learning without schools because learning in schools involves students working with professional teachers, it is the interaction between teachers and students that is the essence of schools' . What difference can teachers make and what are the key messages from educational literature and research? What are the key factors that lead to high quality student learning? Which teacher and leader mindsets enhance a strong professional learning culture? Something I'm very interested in is creating a professional learning culture. How do you suggest listeners can enhance their PLC? Lesson observation and evaluation remains controversial , could you tell listeners about your lesson evaluation toolkit and the 'instructional model' suggested by Peter Cole? How important is lesson planning and how do you suggest using the lesson evaluation toolkit to support lesson planning? TDT Section  Michelle interviews Maria on the use of expert knowledge . Lockdown Learning  This week it is Kraftwerk's Computer World, Dickens (again) with David Copperfield and NO film review! Coming up Katie Ashford and Pritsesh Raichura on the new Michaela book 'The Power of Culture'  John Tomsett on 'Putting Staff First'  The Naylors Natter app! Download it here to keep up to date with all episodes, blogs and updates
May 15, 2020
'Closing the Reading Gap' with Alex Quigley and 'Courage in The Classroom' with Dr Catherine Lee
This week we are treating you the listeners to another bumper double edition. We are delighted to have interviews with the authors of 2 new education books , namely Alex Quigley and Dr Catherine Lee . Alex is interviewed by Bernie Kaye, a fantastic new addition to our NN team , Bernie is an English teaching uber geek with a passion for cooking, reading and festival going. AHT - ITT, research & literacy. We have all our usual features including  our TDT section Lockdown Learning.  About Alex I am National Content Manager at the EEF, supporting teachers to access research evidence. After over fifteen years in the classroom, I now support from outside the school gates. Closing the reading gap  So, what is the reading gap? It is a teacher knowledge gap, but more importantly, it is the gap that exists between reading access, reading practice and reading ability for the pupils in our schools. It marks out the ‘reading rich’ and the ‘reading poor’ populate all of our schools. The gap is writ large when we explore the evidence. Take reading access. Recent research from the National Literacy Trust shows that 1 in 11 children own a book of their own. A mere 1 in 8 disadvantaged children own a book. I think about the impact of those empty bookshelves (in all likelihood, there is no bookshelf at all) for pupils. Then when you explore school attainment, you can see the gap and the daily damage that is suffered by many pupils. When you consider that only 73% of pupils leaving primary school reached the expected level for reading in 2019, it is clear that many of those pupils will struggle to access the secondary school curriculum. I never expected two years ago that this book would be published during a global crisis that would see pupils impacted by school closures. When you wed closures to limited book access, limited teaching, along with limited support at home, the prospect for the reading gap is massively challenging. I hope that this book – and the free related resources – offer some useful guidance for teachers and schools during this challenging time. It should provide handy CPD, now and as schools bounce back to support our pupils. You can purchase the book from the following. Amazon link HERE You can find 5 free resources to go with the book on my RESOURCES page HERE. About Catherine UK Pride Power List 2019. Diva Award finalist 2020. Deputy Dean at Anglia Ruskin University. Courageous Leaders  We are all at our most effective when we can be ourselves at work, but more than half of LGBT teachers hide their sexual identity within their school workplace. For LGBT teachers, vigilance, concealment and assimilation, take a great deal of energy, on top of what is already a very demanding job. Through personal testimonies, advice and a rousing call to arms, this book shows how LGBT School Leaders are often amongst the most inclusive, creative, adaptable and intuitive colleagues, when they are able to flourish and be their authentic selves.  The book is available here: Coming Soon- John Tomsett and The Power of Culture by Michaela School   promo code of PSF40 for listeners to get 40% off Putting Staff First by John and Jonny Utley , our previous guest . 
May 8, 2020
Bumper double edition #teacher5aday with Martyn Reah AND education and culture blogger @mimmerr Molly
A special double edition this week featuring Martyn and Molly . Martyn's natter is PRE lockdown (Feb half-term) and Molly's is a lockdown recording Martyn Reah : about Martyn in his own words: After 20 years of working as a teacher I have decided to put pen to paper and record the things which interest me and hopefully others. Born in Chester and brought up in Sunderland I now call Petersfield home. After starting my career in the East Midlands promotion moved me north to Yorkshire. Family commitments dragged me kicking and screaming south to Hampshire where my four children keep me busy with some spare time available for enjoying sport. The natter: 1) journey to this point gentle intro - from 1994 and a roller chalk board to 2020 !  2) tell us about the origins of #teacher5aday and the need for the movement  3) could you take listeners through each of 5 areas ?  4) this year saw the first #teacher5aday week in December . Could you share with us some of the activities that took place and who was involved? 5) how could/should leaders involve #teacher5aday in their schools? 6) what is a slow chat and how can listeners get involved ?  7) what is the #pledge ?  8) you now have a steering group , who is involved and what is their remit ?  9) pedagoohampshire has been a big success for a few years now . Is it back again this year and who’s speaking?  10) are you still running every day? Some achievement!! 11) could you signpost listeners to your blog/website etc ? Molly: about Molly @Mimmer in her own words : Molly, 20-something Londoner, teacher. I write about fashion ethics, music, education, social inequality and TV. Press & business: Email:  Twitter: @mimmerr. The natter: Music is a big part of my life and we have a weekly section (which you kindly contributed to last week) tell listeners who you think are worth the hype and does me liking arcade fire make me an ageing hipster ?Could you tell listeners about your folding paper project , what is your aim with this and how can listeners get involved ?   You are also posting about a daily writing challenge , what themes have you explored so far ?   You are also an accomplished interviewer and have interviewed some leaders in education . I particularly enjoyed talk to teachers :tiny voices and tiny voice Tuesday . How do you (and Toria) think we can improve edutwitter ?Teacher workload is a topic we have returned to many times on here . Shouts to Kat Howard and Martyn Reah who’ve done great work in this area . What do you think is causing teacher workload and what can we do ? Also do you think the current situation has created more unnecessary workload for staff ?   Where can listeners find out more ? Signpost to social media ( tumblr for example may be new to some ?) . TDT Section- Maria and Michelle on Needs Analysis Lockdown learning  Books- Robert Webb Music-Pole Film- The Astronaut John Catt- upcoming episodes featuring 'The Teaching Delusion' and 'Courage in the Classroom' available with #naylorsnatter discount here : Next week- Alex Quigley 
May 1, 2020
Leadership with Neil Gilbride interviewed by Emma Turner
This week sees a welcome return to the interviewers chair for Emma Turner . This week she is in conversation with Neil Gilbride and they are discussing all things leadership. This interview was recorded on 16th March in a pre-lockdown UK so please be aware of that when listening.  About Neil in his own words: I am currently a PhD student at the University of Bath, Lecturer in Education at the University of Gloucestershire and consultant with Neil Gilbride Consultancy. I have a unique, multi-sector experience as both a practitioner and researcher. I have over 12 years professional experience across the public, voluntary and private sectors as a teacher, researcher, middle leader, school social worker, carer, counsellor and governor.   My academic background is equally diverse – stretching from Biomedical Science, Special Educational Needs through to the Leadership Development and Organisational Behaviour. In working with individuals and organisations,  my multi-disciplinary background delivers new insights and fresh ways of thinking. Primarily, I am a psychologist. In my work, I apply the principles of psychology to leadership, people development, inclusion and organisational behaviour.  My cutting-edge research is looking at the role adult development plays in how leaders think, feel and behave. Please go to the ‘ego development‘ page to find out more. I am available for consultancy through my business, Neil Gilbride Consulting. Please do click here to see what I might have to offer you and your organisation. Lockdown Learning (previously Podcast Pedagogy) In music- Gerry Cinnamon's 'The Bonny' on Vinyl  Films on streaming - 'Trolls World Tour' Books- A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens Shameless Plugs from our partners and sponsors  TDT connectUp is a great resource with some amazing speakers - John Catt bookshop has some amazing new titles in stock and #naylorsnatter mentions in a tweet will unlock your discount code ResearchEd Home is the place to be at 11am if you can get on! As ever , if you would like to be part of the show as a lockdown learner or as a guest , please get in touch via our website or email  See you next week! Phil 
April 24, 2020
How Learning Happens- with Dr. Carl Hendrick and Prof. Dr. Paul Kirschner
This week I am back in the interviewers chair to have a natter with 2 titans of education namely: Paul A. Kirschner is Emeritus Professor of Educational Psychology at the Open University of the Netherlands as well as Guest Professor at the Thomas More University of Applied Science in Belgium. Carl Hendrick teaches at Wellington College, UK, and holds a PhD in Education from King’s College London. We are discussing their new book 'How Learning Happens- Seminal Works in Educational Psychology and what they mean in practice' . Here is Carl's introduction to the book:   "Almost two years ago, I was asked by Professor Paul Kirschner to write a book with him. The original title was ‘Standing on the Shoulders of Giants’ and the basic premise was to discuss what we felt were the foundational works in education psychology and present them to educators in a way that would hopefully inform their practice. To be asked by someone of Paul’s stature was a huge honour for me and I really enjoyed reading through almost 100 years of the best evidence on learning and the weekly meetings over Skype talking about the book (and football). The chapters are divided into six sections. In the first section we describe how our brains work and what that means for learning and teaching. This is followed by sections on the prerequisites for learning, how learning can be supported, teacher activities, and learning in context. When we got near the end of the book we thought it would be good to provide some cautionary tales so in the final section we discuss what can only be described as educational Novichok in a chapter called ‘The Seven Deadly Sins of Education’ which you can download for free here." It comes highly recommended! “So often I’ve been asked to recommend a starting text for educators interested in the workings of the mind―now I have one. The text Kirschner and Hendrick offer alongside each seminal article does a wonderful job of situating the content in the broader scientific context, and in the classroom.” – Daniel Willingham, Professor of Psychology and Director of Graduate Studies, University of Virginia “As the volume of research into psychology and education grows, it becomes ever harder for researchers, let alone teachers, to keep up with the latest findings. Moreover, striking results often turn out to be difficult, or impossible to replicate. What teachers need, therefore, is good guidance about research that has stood the test of time, and practical guidance about how these well-established findings might be used to inform teaching practice, and this is why this is such an extraordinary, wonderful and important book. Paul Kirschner and Carl Hendrick have selected the most important research publications in the psychology of education, and, for each publication, they have provided a summary of the research, the main conclusions, and a series of practical suggestions for how the findings might inform teaching practice. I know of no other book that provides such a rigorous, accessible and practical summary of the last fifty years of research in educational psychology, and anyone who wants to understand how research can improve teaching needs to read this book. Highly recommended.” – Dylan Wiliam, Emeritus Professor of Educational Assessment, University College London We also have Podcast pedagogy with The Strokes, Tiger King and Ulysses!
April 17, 2020
Sir David Carter interviewed by Kathryn Morgan
Welcome to this week's Naylor's Natter, hopefully capturing the Zeitgeist of the continuing school 'closures' and lockdown. This script is being written over lunch during one of my days in school , can I add my thanks to all teaching colleagues going over and above throughout the world.  On this weeks natter , we have the marvellous Kathryn Morgan again in the interviewers chair. Kathryn is nattering with Sir David Carter. Sir David is a former National Schools Commissioner, the first Regional Schools Commissioner for the South West and before that had taught Music in Comprehensive Schools across the country since he started teaching in September 1983. He received a Knighthood for services to education in the Queen's birthday honours in 2013. TDT Section We have Michelle and Bethan discussing online facilitation in our regular TDT section . This is of course very prescient and topical at the moment  PodcastPedagogy In television from streaming services during lockdown we have Lucy Flower @MrsLFlower on Waterloo Road and the genius of Hey Dugee .In music we have Molly @mimmer on Tame Impalla and in books its me on Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Shameless plugs  A plug for ResearchEd Home which is a fabulous idea , coming to a device near you from 20/4 . This will be starting with the superb Daniel Willingham and will also feature our very own (well sort of) Simon Cox . Stay indoors , keep positive and see you next week!
April 10, 2020
Putting Staff First part 1 - Kathryn Morgan interviews Jonny Uttley . Promo code of PSF40 for listeners to get 40% off Putting Staff First.
Update - promo code of PSF40 for listeners to get 40% off Putting Staff First. Visit In this weeks natter , Kathryn is in conversation with Jonny on leadership and how it is vital at times like this. Podcast Pedagogy Music- 'Mixing Colours' - Roger Eno and Brian Eno Books- 'A Clergyman's Daughter' by George Orwell Streaming Services- 'Sunderland 'till I die' and The Body Coach Next week Sir David Carter  Stay in and stay safe everyone . Massive thank you to all educators, continuing to safeguard, provide and care for our pupils! #proudtoteach
April 3, 2020
The case for an ed tech revolution with Daisy Christodoulou
*******This week's interview was recorded some weeks ago so please bear that in mind when listening******* This week I am in conversation with Daisy Christodoulou . Daisy is  the Director of Education at No More Marking, a provider of online Comparative Judgement software for schools. Comparative Judgement is an innovative, reliable and quick way to assess essays. You can find out more about how it works on the No More Marking website. Before joining No More Marking, Daisy was Head of Assessment at Ark Schools, a group of academy schools in the UK, and before that, I was a secondary English teacher in London. Daisy has  written three books about education, Seven Myths about Education, Making Good Progress, and Teachers vs Tech. Find out more about them here. You can read more about Daisy in this profile from Schools Week and this one from the Guardian. You can contact Daisy via Twitter @daisychristo. We discuss: ch 1 - why hasn't ed tech succeeded in the way we would have liked in the past? * ch 2 - personalised learning - is this a good thing? * Ch 4 - what is flipped learning, should we all be doing it, if so why not? * ch 5 - what are the ups and downs of using devices to learn? * Ch 6 & 7 - what is so good about spaced repetition algorithms? Ch 7 - will robots ever take over from teachers?! * I'm a student / parent / teacher / SLT member and I really want to use tech to help learning - what should I do? We  also talk about comparative judgement and VAR Podcast pedagogy Books: We have a contribution from listener Natalie  TDT Section  Films: In lockdown, we are now looking at streamed movies . This week it is the Amazon streamed 'Blinded by the Light'  Music: I will be reviewing Dreamland by Alexis Ffrench . A much needed oasis of calm in a desert of uncertainty. We will be continuing with the podcast during these difficult and turbulent times. Stay safe out there listeners , we appreciate you being here!
March 27, 2020
Tom Sherrington on Teaching Walkthrus - book available on John Catt Bookshop
This week sees the welcome return of Tom Sherrington to talk through his new book (with Oliver Caviglioli) entitled Teaching Walkthrus. Teaching Walkthrus are 5 step guides for instructional coaching. The natter: The first question is why? What are the reasons for the walkthrus? Secondly , what areas have you covered in the walkthru series? Into behaviour , how important are routines and how do the walkthrus and Oliver’s work help here?   With curriculum , How do you walkthru designing a knowledge rich curriculum and sequencing concepts in small steps? Tell listeners about how you and Oliver have drawn on the work of willingham , William, Berger and shimamura in the explanation and modelling section . Set out if you can , your suggested repertoire of effective questioning techniques?  Retrieval practice ? That’s just a quiz isn’t it ? Deliberately provocative question ! What is mode A and mode B teaching , readers of the learning rainforest will be aware of course . How can teachers listening weave mode A and B teaching into a cohesive whole ?  The how section includes guides on implementation. Could the book be used in an instructional coaching situation?   CPD cycles are mentioned , how important is it for leaders to map out cycles ?  Tell us about your launch at rED Blackpool Podcast pedagogy We are joined by Bruce Robertson giving listeners a sneak preview of 'The Teaching Delusion' , I will be reviewing classic film 'Coach Carter' and Four Tet's Sixteen Oceans in music. *****Listener discount code- WALK40 to get 40% off any quantity of Walkthru's up until the end of March**********
March 20, 2020
Tom Bennett on Behaviour and ResearchED
This week Teacher Development Trust CEO David Weston interviews Tom Bennett on behaviour, his work with the DfE on behaviour hubs, creating a culture and the mighty ResearchEd movement . Tom Bennett is the founder of researchED, a grass-roots organisation that raises research literacy in education. Since 2013 researchED has visited three continents and six countries, attracting thousands of followers. In 2015 he became the UK government’s school ‘Behaviour Czar’, advising on behaviour policy. He has written four books about teacher training, and in 2015 he was long listed as one of the world’s top teachers in the GEMS Global Teacher Prize. In the same year he made the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Bloggers’ list. His online resources have been viewed over 1,200,000 times. Podcast Pedagogy Books -Teaching Walkthru's by Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli  Films- Onward by Disney Music- Dummy by Portishead  John Catt discount code: If you wish to purchase Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli's Teacher Walkthru's,  listeners  can enter code WALK40 to get 40% of an order of any quantity of Walkthrus up until the end of March.
March 13, 2020
Bad School Leadership with Omar Akbar (aka Teacher's Manual)
This weeks I am in conversation with Omar Akbar; Teacher, Author- The Unofficial Teacher's Manual: What they don't teach you in training; Bad School Leadership (and what to do about it) .  We are nattering about  school leadership, the good and the bad! This is a very positive podcast with some great takeaways. The natter From the introduction of the book , tell us a little bit about you and your 15 years teaching across 4 schools?   You say this book is about the mismanagement of the system , what do you mean by this and what can we do about this ?   You kick off the book with relationship building and Rick astley ....tell us how important relationships, empathy and communication are for leaders  Observations can be controversial but also useful , what are your www and Ebi here ?   Learning walks , deception walks and urine tests . How can we ensure visits to lessons are beneficial for all ?  Book scrutiny and deep dives , what is a secret dossier and how can leaders be more transparent?   Behaviour - when in doubt blame the teacher for not engaging the learners . Is this common and how do we support teachers with behaviour so they are empowered and not undermined ?   Meetings - what is a Botox meeting ?    How do we support NQTs so they end up like the one on that recruitment advert How important are unions and why should we stand by our unions ?    How does shift happen ? What can we do to achieve a new normal ? Let’s finish as you do with some myth busting! Share a couple with listeners ?   Where can we find out more ?  Useful links John Catt sponsorship  Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from until the next week’s show.
March 6, 2020
Cath Murray on Alternative Provision and John Catt sponsorship announcement! POD30.
Cath Murray  now slays dragons for @csjthinktank leading on alternative provision. Content producer for @EducationFest. Formerly@SchoolsWeek&@FEWeek . We are in conversation about alternative provision and exclusions.  What is IntegratED? The IntegratED programme aims to reduce preventable school exclusions and improve the quality of alternative provision (AP) for pupils being educated outside of mainstream schools. Our work is broadly divided into two areas: Raising the profile of AP and exclusions; and Piloting models in schools and AP settings that prioritise whole-child development. Change The social change we want to see eventually is a reduction in the number of children excluded from schools, an increase in early remedial interventions for pupils who require them, and a greater focus on whole-child development across the school system. If AP is the best place for a child, we want to ensure they are given high-quality provision that helps them achieve their full potential. In all cases we wish to see young people graduate from secondary level to a positive tertiary destination, with sufficient skills, values, aptitudes, and capabilities to enable them to contribute to the common good. We are not saying that all exclusion should be stopped. We are saying: exclusions should be fair, and with the best interest of the child at heart; and if removed, children should be placed somewhere that can offer them a high-quality education that meets their needs. The natter  Firstly tell us about your career to this point and how you moved from schools week to slaying dragons!   What is integratED and which organisations are part of this coalition?   Tell us about your work for integratED and your vision for fewer exclusions and better alternative provision   The unexplained pupil exits from school published in October from the education policy institute is an important read , could you take listeners through the report and it’s key recommendations (policy, guidance etc)   The AP census is incredibly opaque as you state in the integratED blog , what constitutes AP? Why is there such huge disparity in different LAs ?   You recommend that the government should publish alongside its exclusion rates , a combined figure that accounts for all AP , tell listeners why this is important.  Is a managed move to AP better than a perm ex ?   How can we improve education for children removed from mainstream?   You are out presenting your work at conferences , where can listeners see you next ?   Could you signpost us to blog / twitter / website etc ? Exciting news!  Naylor's Natter in association with TDT is now sponsored by John Catt Edu. This means even more high quality interviews and for you the listeners , a chance to benefit with discounts on John Catt books . The sponsorship will also help move NN into America!  This weeks code: Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from until the next week’s show. Next week: Omar Akbar on Bad School Leadership 
February 28, 2020
Half-term bonanza with Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton AND Jude Hunton interviewing Christine Counsell
In this week's extended half-term special, we have Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton OBE on Early Career Framework and much more. We also have Jude Hunton 'live' from Educating Lincs which took place earlier this month. TDT Section We have Maria and David in discussion about the Education Policy Institute's new research, commissioned by Wellcome,  The effects of high-quality professional development on teachers and students is published today. The report can be found at This review of the evidence on teacher professional development informs a wider EPI research project on CPD, also commissioned by Wellcome. The research, which is to be published later in the year, will examine the costs and benefits of a proposed policy entitling all teachers to thirty-five hours of high-quality professional development every year.  Podcast pedagogy section I look at 'Indistractable' in books by Nir Eyal, 'The Slow Rush' by Tame Impala on vinyl and 'Sonic The Hedgehog' in films. Next week Cath Murray 
February 21, 2020
Chris Moyse is a nationally acclaimed trainer and consultant with over 30 years of experience in education. A teacher for 18 years, he was a successful Head of Physical Education and went on to become a Teaching and Learning consultant for Somerset Local Authority. He was then a senior leader in a highly successful all-through 3-16 school for 7 years and is now Head of Staff Development for Bridgwater College Trust – a 3-19 multi academy trust in Somerset. He is also managing director of a successful education and leadership consultancy business; TLC Education Services Ltd, as well as being senior SLE for North Somerset Teaching Alliance.  Chris is also an ambassador for Leadership Matters; a movement designed to give all schools access to the high quality leadership development that ultimately improves pupil educational outcomes.  Chris was also the only associate teaching trainer with Ginnis Training Ltd – an education consultancy company led by the late, great Paul Ginnis, author of The Teachers’ Toolkit. He has worked in over 600 schools across England and Wales. The natter  Tell listeners about your career to date , your journey and what you are working on at the moment ?    I wanted to start by asking about your blog of November last year , entitled RIP performance management. You use the famous insanity quote at the end of the blog , tell me why performance management is dead?    Tell us about the professional growth policy you have devised for your trust .  What are the key drivers for staff development?    Going into your professional growth policy , what advantages does continuous professional growth have for teachers and students/pupils ?    What is effective personal reflection? Are teachers good at establishing our levels of competence?    I’m very pleased to see the data target ditched , what quality assurance processes do you employ to ensure pupils receive the best teaching possible ?    How will you use the teachers standards to help teachers reflect on their success, strengths and areas for development?    What is a challenging focus script and how will this be used by line managers ?    I’m very excited by the professional growth plan , how will training, opportunities and time be factored into this ?    What support will be provided for teachers and what feedback will be given ?    How will observations be used to support teachers to grow professionally ?    Could you signpost listeners to your website /twitter etc and your excellent podcast with the talking teachers ?    Where will you be speaking next about this? Podcast pedagogy Again based on #teacher5aday #notice , I will be looking at The Lighthouse in film , Foolish Loving Spaces by Blossoms in vinyl and The Prisoner by Jack Worth in books  Next week  Emma Turner interviews Sam Twisleton OBE. 
February 14, 2020
Tom Rogers on Leadership, CPD , blogging, podcasting and teachmeet icons.
Tom Rogers is an experienced teacher and middle leader, having worked at schools in the UK for 9 years and internationally for 4 as a history teacher, head of history and latterly assistant headteacher. He is now back in the UK. Toms passion is in making schools better places for teachers to work in. This passion has inspired him to write more than 100 blogs for the TES and share with the profession through his own twitter account; @rogershistory. Tom has also produced videos for his youtube channel, has his own podcast and more than 20,000 students use his online courses. In 2015, Tom set up the teachmeet network “teachmeet icons” which now hosts free annual events for teachers across the UK. Teachmeeticons has expanded significantly and has become a notable force for teacher CPD in the UK. We discuss: Tell us about your journey to this point and what you’re working on at the moment .  Could we ask about your journey  through classroom teaching into leadership and whether your think good teachers make good leaders? Teachmeet icons was a real force for good in the profession , tell us about the genesis of this idea and where we are up to with this now? Your resources have been used by thousands of teachers and students . Tell us how important sharing resources can be and it’s impact on workload , an issue I know you are passionate about.  Recently I met you on your tour of interviewing school leaders . What were your biggest takeaways from that experience and could you share some gems from the leaders? I am a huge fan of your blogs . My first experience going back some time was the nightmares and dreams blog relevant is that still for new teachers? I love your podcast! Doing it live was just amazing and so brave . Will this be coming back? Your most recent 2 blogs ‘the journey’ and ‘the dark side of international teaching’ have been hugely emotive and gripping . Could you share your thought process in deciding to work abroad and what you gained from the experience . Where do you see yourself in teaching next?   You do so much good for the profession so on behalf of teachers thank you ! Where can we see you on the speaking circuit next ?   Thank you ! Podcast pedagogy This week I am looking at 'The ragged trousered philanthropists' by Robert Tressel, 'Everything Else Has Gone Wrong' by Bombay Bicycle Club and 'A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood' . This is all part of #teacher5aday #notice.  Next week - Chris Moyse
February 7, 2020
Jack Worth from NFER on Teacher autonomy: how does it relate to job satisfaction and retention?
This weeks special edition is presented by the Chief Executive of (our friends and podcast partners) The Teacher Development Trust, David Weston. David is in conversation with Jack Worth, Jack is an education economist at the NFER. Jack is the School Workforce Lead and is researching how to improve teacher recruitment, retention and development. David and Jack are discussing NFER’s new research on teacher autonomy, developed in partnership with the Teacher Development Trust (TDT),  which will be released on Wednesday, 29 January 2020. You can find it here: Next week Tom Rogers 
January 31, 2020
Education Exposed with Sam Strickland aka Strickomaster
This week I am joined by Sam Strickland, Principal of The Duston School . Sam describes himself as:Principal, martial artist, historian, believer in knowledge. Organiser of ResearchED Northampton.  In this weeks podcast we chat about Sam's new book 'Education exposed' . The book is described as: The ultimate guide to understanding how a school can be led, managed and run, written by an author with extensive experience, and drawing heavily on research around knowledge-based curricula. Clearly and honestly stating the challenges of leading a school, Samuel Strickland focuses on approaches to the curriculum, teaching and learning, teacher workload, behavior, staff morale, leadership and Ofsted. The book is designed to serve as a dip in and dip out guide to a wide array of varying aspects of whole-school life, though it can be read in one full sitting, and the author is not afraid to challenge some of the suggested norms that educators are expected to accept as a profession or to consider how things can potentially be otherwise done. Each chapter is self-contained, providing a short and sharp insight into a specific aspect of school improvement. The book is divided into five sections, with each section taking a major driver for school improvement. Section 1 focuses on leadership, Section 2 on behaviour, Section 3 on the curriculum, Section 4 on teaching and Section 5 on workload and professional development. The natter: This was the first ever, unscripted natter with Sam more than happy to answer any questions I had! Podcast pedagogy This week, I revisit the seminal 'The Road to Wigan Pier' by George Orwell. I recommend More.Again.Forever by The Courteeners and in film we look at 1917.  PS EDIT Lowborn is by Kerry Hudson, Kerry Ellis is a singer .......apologies!
January 24, 2020
Boys don't try? With Matt Pinkett
There is a significant problem in our schools: too many boys are struggling. The list of things to concern teachers is long. Disappointing academic results, a lack of interest in studying, higher exclusion rates, increasing mental health issues, sexist attitudes, an inability to express emotions.... Traditional ideas about masculinity are having a negative impact, not only on males, but females too. In this ground-breaking book, Matt Pinkett and Mark Roberts argue that schools must rethink their efforts to get boys back on track. Boys Don’t Try? examines the research around key topics such as anxiety and achievement, behaviour and bullying, schoolwork and self-esteem. It encourages the reader to reflect on how they define masculinity and consider what we want for boys in our schools. Offering practical quick wins, as well as long-term strategies to help boys become happier and achieve greater academic success, the book: offers ways to avoid problematic behaviour by boys and tips to help teachers address poor behaviour when it happens highlights key areas of pastoral care that need to be recognised by schools exposes how popular approaches to "engaging" boys are actually misguided and damaging details how issues like disadvantage, relationships, violence, peer pressure, and pornography affect boys’ perceptions of masculinity and how teachers can challenge these. With an easy-to-navigate three-part structure for each chapter, setting out the stories, key research, and practical solutions, this is essential reading for all classroom teachers and school leaders who are keen to ensure male students enjoy the same success as girls. Questions: Gentle introduction- tell listeners a bit about you and your career to date .   Tell us about the genesis of this book and how it started with you blog ‘balance for boys’    In chapter 2 on disadvantaged students , could you start with your definition of disadvantaged students then tell listeners why you feel our education system is ventured on middle class values?    What solutions do you offer for school leaders and teachers particularly around setting?   In the final thought of the chapter , you say the main thing holding back working class students is attitude. What do you mean by this?  In chapter 4 on mental health , you set up the chapter with an insight into how Romeo and Juliet is about male mental health, how do you link this to 21st century Britain?    Could you outline some of the key research on suicide , anger and self-harm   What advice would you offer to school leaders ?    In chapter 6 on sex and sexism , the stories at the start of the chapter paint a depressing picture about the harassment that female teachers face daily , what does the research say in the area of sex and sexism?    Why does there need to be absolute clarity for school leaders on the issue of sexism and sexist behaviour?   In chapter 8 on violence tell us the story about the remnants of a half-eaten kebab.  What is the testosterone fairy tale and why is testosterone such a complicated beast?    Again what advice do you give to school leaders and teachers?   In the last chapter ‘what next’ , You tell readers that years of gender socialisation cannot be undone by reading your book but we have all made a positive change by picking up the book . What next then for school leaders and NQTs?   Finish off by telling us where we can find out more about you and where you will be speaking next . Podcast pedagogy is featuring Sarah Mullin's excellent 'What they didnt teach me on my PGCE" 
January 17, 2020
Matthew Evans-Leaders With Substance: An Antidote to Leadership Genericism in Schools
Matthew Evans is a headteacher, author and blogger. Leaders With Substance: An Antidote to Leadership Genericism in Schools is available now on Amazon. Follow @head_teach on Twitter. Gentle introduction- tell us about your journey to this point and how you came to write this book .   As you say at the start , despite the millions of words written on the subject , is leadership even a thing?    What remains of leadership and where does that leave this book?    Does a belief in generic (hollow) leadership skills serve as a false set of expertise?   Do we need need clever leaders and how robust is the evidence in this area ?    In the chapter on transient turnarounds , you outline some questions that leaders should be asking teachers right now ? Could you share some of this?    How do we lead best in distracting times ?    In chapter 7 what do you mean by curricular genericism?   How do we leave genericism behind?    Are schools led by experts? Should they be?    In portraying purpose you talk about vision citing martin Luther king . Tell us about the good and bad of vision    Outline what you mean by scripts and cultural memes . I was particularly struck by the deputy and the nqt in the car park .   How important is the duning-kruger effect in leadership?    How do we develop the next generation of leaders ? What skills should leadership programs develop?    In the indicators of change chapter why should school leaders have their finger on the pulse and not the trigger .   Could you tell listeners where they can find out more about you and where you will be speaking next ? Leadership literature is drowning in abstract theories and models of heroic leadership, but an agreed definition of the term is elusive. School leadership suffers from this lack of clarity and consensus. Generic approaches to school improvement dominate the sector, which have left the workforce feeling anything but 'well led'. What exactly should school leaders know and do? How do we put 'substance' back into school leadership? This book draws on research evidence to explore the specific things that expert leaders know and do, arguing for a notion of school leadership rooted in the realities of leaders' daily experiences. It presents a case for how school leaders can develop their expertise and, in doing so, places domain-specific knowledge at the heart of school improvement efforts. Leaders With Substance is not a handbook. It sets out to change the way we think of leadership and school improvement. It is both a critique, a manifesto, and a call to arms. Podcast Pedagogy Lowborn- Kerry Hudson and so much more this week! TDT Section Bethan and Polly talk about pedagogical coaching. 
January 10, 2020
#WomenEd and #10% braver with Vivienne Porritt interviewed by Kathryn Morgan
Welcome to the first Naylor's Natter of 2020. This is also our 1 year anniversary so a great opportunity to thank those of you that have been on the journey since 4th January 2019 and to welcome those of you new to the podcast. This weeks sees the introduction of our new format to sustain the podcast moving forwards.  We will still have the excellent valued input from the team at TDT to kick off the show each week (once they are back in the office) . This will be followed up with our main interview which will be presented by me or our team of presenters , including Kathryn Morgan, Emma Turner (TBC) and members of team TDT (David,Maria,Bethan, Ian or Michelle) . This will increase our capacity, diversify our interviews and interviewees and hopefully make this even more interesting for you the listeners.  I will be continuing with the podcast pedagogy section and I still very much welcome listeners reflections on what you are reading this year . So  if your New Years resolution is to read more , why not share this with a community of supportive educators? There is a button on the anchor app to send this directly . Alternatively , why not email or via the website: The interview: Kathryn Morgan makes her debut , interviewing Vivienne Porritt on a range of topics from #womenEd and #10%braver to leadership and the importance of professional learning and development. Podcast pedagogy I discuss my takeaways and questions from the marvellous Leaders with Substance from Matthew Evans who will be a guest on the podcast very soon Shameless plugs  BrewEd Science 28th March  BrewEd Ossy 1st February  rED Birmingham March ***sold out*** rED Blackpool March ***sold out*** I am also taking bookings to speak at conferences for 2020 so please get in touch via the website listed above
January 3, 2020
Mentally Healthy Schools and the work of a Teaching School with Lisa Fathers ***STOP PRESS-PLUS BIG NEWS***
This week I am in conversation with Director of Teaching School partnerships at the Alliance for Learning Lisa Fathers. Lisa has taught English and Drama for a number of years in several schools and was a middle leader, senior leader and Deputy Headteacher then Associate Headteacher. In this wide ranging interview , we talk about my favourite subjects namely professional learning and culture . We also have a a natter about the huge importance of mental health and Lisa's work in this area. We also discuss the importance of School to School support , the use of SLE's and of course Alliance for Learning's links with Research Schools and the use of evidence in their work.  At the end of the podcast Lisa turns the tables on me and we finally present our big reveal! Stay tuned. The questions: 1. Tell me career journey to date  2.How important was creating professional learning culture when you were deputy head  3.Tell us about mentally healthy schools Pilot   4. How important was collaboration to this programme?  5. How does school to school support work fit into the teaching school work ? 5B and what about SLEs? 5c and what about deploying SLEs  6. What experience of research work have you had etc?  7. Finally - why are you so passionate about PE when you are an English teacher ? Shameless plugs SSA Teach Meet, rED Brum and Blackpool . We also give a very early plug for 'Insights from 2 men in a cupboard' , our new book coming 2020! Also plug for #BrewEdScience  Happy New Year!
December 27, 2019
Curriculum- from Gallimaufry to coherence with Mary Myatt
This week I am in conversation with Mary Myatt on her book Curriculum- From Gallimaufry to coherence Mary Myatt is an education adviser, writer and speaker. She works in schools talking to pupils, teachers and leaders about learning, leadership and the curriculum. She maintains that there are no quick fixes and that great outcomes for pupils are not achieved through tick boxes. She writes and speaks at conferences about leadership, curriculum and school improvement. 'Mary Myatt combines encyclopedic knowledge of schools with crystal-clear description of curriculum principles – a must-read for all those involved in improving education. Globally, new attention is being given to curriculum principles and curriculum practice. Mary Myatt’s book is major contribution to this debate. Few books range so effectively across curriculum theory and day-to-day practice in the classroom – Mary Myatt does this with huge authority and extreme clarity.' Tim Oates CBE, Group Director of ARD,
 (Assessment Research and Development) ‘This book weaves together theory, research, policy, and practice to provide educators at every stage of their career a practical guide to coherent curriculum design. Chapters divided by subject and strategy make it easy to keep coming back to, whilst Mary’s humorous and intelligent prose make it a pleasure to read.’ Claire Hill, Head of English and Media Studies, Dover Grammar School for Girls ‘This book has been invaluable and really balances theory, critical argument and practical applications for how we can achieve this in our curriculum planning and subject CPD.’ Aja Cortizo, Professional development Team Lead, Glyn School ‘This is exactly what I needed to read before the team goes to rewrite the curriculum this term. It is definitely a must read to completely rethink the curriculum because it covers all aspects to truly ensure ‘high challenge and low threat’ across all subjects. I’m so excited about redesigning the teaching and learning to ensure children are engaged and inspired.’ Flora Barton, Headteacher, Crowmarsh Gifford CE Primary School Teacher Development Trust Section  This week Bethan is in conversation following TDT's work with Ignite TSA . Podcast Pedagogy Section Matthew Evans talks to you, the listeners about his new book ahead of a full podcast in the New Year. Leadership is an ill-defined domain, drowning in abstract theories and models of expertise. School leadership suffers from this lack of a satisfactory and useful definition of leadership, and has of late been drawn in to generic approaches to school improvement which have left the workforce feeling anything but `well led'. How do we put `substance' back in to school leadership? This book draws on the lessons of cognitive science and explores the specific things that school leaders do, arguing for a notion of school leadership rooted in the realities of leaders' daily experiences. It presents a case for how school leaders can develop their expertise and, in doing so, places domain-specific knowledge at the heart of school improvement efforts. Publisher: John Catt Educational Ltd Shameless Plugs I countdown the top 10 Naylor's Natter's of 2019 with a homage to Top of the Pops 
December 20, 2019
Chart Countdown- Most listened to Naylor's Natter's of 2019
A homage to Top of the Pops , its a lighthearted chart rundown of this years most listened to podcasts. No offence meant , only huge gratitude!  I do not own the music - credit to Paul Hardcastle and his track 'The Wizard' which just happened to be on the radio in the background. All episodes available here.
December 15, 2019
Nuts about teaching with Neil Almond
This week I am in conversation with Primary research and evidence guru Neil Almond . Neil has been on a journey of discovery , from incorporating research into his own teaching through to presenting at rED events . We discuss this journey and the challenges of incorporating evidence into the primary curriculum. As Neil describes on his blog: "I’m starting my 5th year of teaching and those years have lead to varying degrees of success and lessons that I needed to learn. It’s only in the last 6 to 9 months that I feel that I am actually getting somewhere with it and now my interest in educational research and edu-twitter are turning things that I thought I knew around. The picture is poignant to the profession as a whole. We need to carefully tread the path, often not knowing where the path ends, what twist/turns/obstacles we will encounter on the way or what educational gale force wind will try to blow us off. These are my ramblings as I try to navigate this path. I will not claim that I have answers to anything, or that what I am suggesting will work for you, in your context. These are my ramblings; they will focus on three key areas: teaching and learning, educational research and curriculum. If these ramblings help you navigate your path, then that is a fantastic bonus for me. I hope you enjoy…" Neil's blog site Teacher Development Trust Section  David Weston, CEO of the TDT kicks off this weeks show out on location again in sunny Blackpool. This week , he is interviewing St George's Lead Practitioner Bea Tingey . Bea describes how St George's recent success in outcomes for pupils has been driven by a culture of professional learning . Bea talks about that culture and how it has been developed and the logistics of planning out CPD . Many people have visited St George's recently to see this in action and I know this is something they welcome , so get in touch with Bea here: Podcast pedagogy  I am very happy to have received contributions for this feature so this will be returning next week. 
December 13, 2019
#teacher5aday week and teacher wellbeing with Bukky Yusuf
This weeks natter is with Bukky Yusuf and is timed to coincide with the eve of #teacher5aday week starting 2nd December. Bukky Yusuf is a Secondary Science Teacher, Consultant and Qualified Coach. Bukky has worked in education for over two decades and teaches secondary sciences to A level. She has undertaken a number of leadership roles within mainstream and special schools, centring around professional development programmes, quality first teaching and learning and effective implementations of Educational Technology. As part of her commitment to increase diverse leadership within education, Bukky participates with a number of initiatives including WomenEd and BAMEed. She is a London Regional Leader for WomenEd and is registered as a leadership coach as part of a pilot programme run by the Department for Education. Bukky’s keenness for education and the impact that educators can make is reflected in the presentations that she delivers at local and national levels. Furthermore, Bukky supports the development of educators at all levels and promotes projects that help colleagues to maintain their well-being. Podcast Pedagogy This week I have been reading Martyn Reah's blogs on his experience of launching #teacher5aday and the upcoming week . In Martyn's words: Five years on from launching #teacher5aday at the SSAT National conference instead of presenting at the teachmeet this time #teacher5aday has reached the main stage. A five day focus for leaders and teachers to develop a positive approach to well-being. A start of something which will hopefully become a regular event in school calendars across the country. The aim of the week is to celebrate the successes of the previous five years. To bring all of the best elements of #teacher5aday from social media and into as many staff rooms across the country as possible. To curate and create a festival of well-being and provide a one stop shop for busy teachers and leaders across the country to find resource which will have an impact on their well-being and that of their colleagues. Working with the amazing team behind National Careers Week #NCW2020 a website is under construction to host all the resources which will allow the well-being conversation to continue after the 6th of December. The week will be themed around the five aspects of #teacher5aday which was based on New Economic Foundations 5 ways to well-being . Monday #CONNECT Tuesday #NOTICE Wednesday #LEARN  Thursday #EXERCISE Friday #VOLUNTEER Dr Sue Roffey has started the conversations for leaders and leadership teams to consider about getting invovled in the week. Shameless plugs: SSA Teach Meet , BrewEd Ossy and the rED trilogy of Brum, Blackpool and Rugby all get a plug TDT Section  David Weston  kicks off the show  this week with the TDT section. 
November 29, 2019
Inclusive practice with Jules Daulby
Jules Daulby is a literacy and inclusion expert, podcaster of The Inclusive Classroom and co-founder and national leader of #WomenEd, a grassroots organisation created to support existing and aspiring women leaders. She started out her teaching career as an English and Drama teacher and until December, 2018 was Director of Education for literacy charity, Driver Youth Trust.  Jules’ quest is to find a way to make classrooms inclusive and allow all children to thrive.  She has a particular fascination with  inclusive design of knowledge organisers, text books, worksheets and presentations.  All her work is grounded in expert knowledge and experience of literacy and SEND in particularly dyslexia and ADHD. Jules believes that all behaviour is communication and accountability pressures can sometimes create environments where students with SEND are not valued.  It is her ambition to persuade OFSTED to reward inclusion rather than exam results and push the DfE into making exams more accessible for young people who have speed of processing and memory difficulties.  Jules is a prolific blogger and tweeter and co-founder and national leader for the grassroots organisation, @WomenEd created to support existing and aspiring women leaders. We natter about: 1) Potted history of your career to this point - as much as you like .  What is values based education?    2) In one of your excellent blogs on your website , you state that literacy is freedom . What do you mean by this?  3) How do we make our classrooms more inclusive?   4) Is all behaviour communication? What do you say to people who disagree with this ? Do you use your excellent reasons you disagree bingo card?   How do we give send learners an equal shot at education    5) Should parents particularly in secondaries be seen as part of the solution (to whatever issues their child is having) not considered the problem. 6)Into pedagogy , do card sorts get a bad press?   7)in well-being , could you tell us about your blog  ‘the art of imperfection' and the crap-o-meter.   8)Tell is about your work with women Ed and your top 6 books by female educators . Podcast pedagogy This week I am reading 'Building Belonging' by Cathal Lynch TDT Section TDT Head of Education talks to Steve Poland about CPD in post 16 education
November 22, 2019
Wholesome Leadership with Tom Rees
Tom is the Executive Headteacher of Simon de Senlis Primary School and currently work across eleven primary schools as the Education Director of Northampton Primary Academy Trust.  Tom is a former Advanced Skills Teacher who has spent the last 17 years leading in schools across different contexts, counties and countries.  He has spent the last 10 years as a Headteacher in Northamptonshire. In between Headships, Tom experienced life in industry via an 18 month secondment in the EdTech industry working alongside schools, academies, local authorities and multi-national companies. Tom is  married  with three beautiful children, he  occasionally plays in a Beatles Tribute Band and is the Chairman of Ups ‘n’ Downs – a  charity supporting families affected by Down’s syndrome. I nattered to Tom about: Usual journey to point question- selected highlights from your career to date . As much or as little as you like . Wholesome leadership has been a game changing leadership text . You discuss in the intro whether the world needed another education book , what were the 4 reasons you decided the book was worth writing ? For those new to the book tell us about your H4 leadership model . Moving into section 2 and the first of the Hs , how self aware are we as leaders? Do we all have a particular style of leadership and what are the advantages of this and the potential pitfalls ?  In chapter 4 you outline 10 building blocks for great staff culture , could you share some of those with listeners and how do leaders build ethos and professional culture ?  Into the second H , you use sir David Carters 4 stage model of improving a school. Have you seen this model being used and how do leadership styles fit into it ? How do you establish a culture of accountability that doesn’t rely purely on the fear of OFSTED ?  Into the hands now , what responsibility do leaders have for sustained professional development , how do we strike the balance between the priorities of the school and the development of individual teachers ?  Use of external expertise also vital for example , the ambition ECF work , a vital strand to our CPD which also ties into school priorities whilst meeting the needs of the individuals.   Could you tell us about the leapfrog conversations model and it’s importance in people management?    Lastly into health , how can leaders create a healthy balance whilst still maintaining credibility in the staffroom ?  How do we guard against becoming a martyr ?   Is it like the aeroplane safety demonstration where you put on your mask first before helping your child ?   How do we move from superficial wellbeing gimmicks into clear systems and pathways ?  Where can we see you next ?   How can we find out more ? In podcast pedagogy I am looking at Daniel Sobel's Leading on Pastoral Care and listener Nikki Smith is talking about the influence of Jill Berry's work on her practice.  Shameless plugs South Shore Academy Teach Meet Brew Ed Ossy Don't forget #teacher5aday . I am continuing to #exercise via my daily cycle commute. 
November 15, 2019
Curriculum-Athena versus the Machine with Martin Robinson
This week I am in conversation with Educationalist, Author, Writer,Consultant, Orator and Liberal Artist Mr Martin Robinson. Martin is a Teacher with 20 years experience working in state schools in London. Martin was an AST,Head of Department,Head of Faculty and an Assistant Headteacher. Martin is interested in developing teaching and learning building on the tradition of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric.  We are nattering this week about Martin's latest book which I consider to be an essential read namely 'Curriculum-Athena versus the Machine' . This book has fundamentally changed my view on the rationale for a knowledge rich curriculum, moulded my thinking on extra-curricular activities and engendered cognitive dissonance when I consider Martin's views on educating for freedom. The book explores the educational value of a curriculum rooted in the pursuit of wisdom and advocates the enshrinement of such a curriculum as the central concern of an academic institution. Martin argues that teachers need to be liberated from policy-led prescription in order to design curricula which brings subjects forward rather than the pursuit of outcomes. TDT Section This week we have a TDT excellence hub school , South Shore Academy launching a TeachMeet as a way to promote all the amazing work going on in Blackpool . They will have teachers from the school and experts from all over the area sharing their wisdom. Tickets are available here Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading 'Talking to Strangers' by Malcolm Gladwell. This is a research based book which examines the varying ways we misinterpret or fail to communicate with each other. This is a real page turner and I recommend it to you all along with Gladwell's back catalogue and his revisionist History podcast . Shameless Plugs BrewEd Ossy Teacher5aday Wholesome Leadership Martin Robinson
November 8, 2019
VESPA mindset with Steve Oakes and Martin Griffin
This week I am joined by Steve Oakes and Martin Griffin and we are discussing their VESPA system looking at the importance of non-cognitive skills in educational success . This episode really helped me get back to the roots of what this podcast is all about, talking to teachers about evidence and research. Martin and Steve draw on 40 years of combined experience and a great knowledge of educational research. They pull together current thinking from psychology, business and sport to inspire, motivate and support students ensuring they achieve their full potential. Their VESPA model outlines 5 key components to success namely vision, effort, systems, practice and attitude.  This is a fascinating episode as both Martin and Steve speak with such authority and gravitas about their model. We discuss their book 'The A level mindset' , we like to cover all phases of education on Naylor's Natter. This episode will be particularly beneficial to those who teach A level but some of the strategies are universally applicable. Teacher Development Trust section Michelle is in conversation with John Collier in Stoke discussing the impact of TDT's excellence hubs and the power of collaboration. Podcast Pedagogy Section This week I have been reading 'The Educated Guess" by Warwick Sharp.
November 1, 2019
Pupil Premium with Marc Rowland
This week I am in conversation with Pupil Premium and vulnerable learners champion Marc Rowland. Marc is a Research School Director, an author and (he wouldn't admit this himself-he's way too modest) an expert on the use of the Pupil Premium. We discuss the history of PP, the enduring relationship between family income and school success. We look at how thinking on PP has shifted with the recent EEF guide and the new DfE guidance. Marc also confronts some popular myths and misconceptions and gives you some concrete advice to take and action in your schools.  The questions discussed are: Talk about ‘updated guide to pupil premium ‘  The measure of a successful education system whether at local or national level should be how its disadvantaged pupils perform - is this measure being used?  Are we making progress nationally on outcomes for disadvantaged pupils?    Do we in discourse obsess on the gap?    Imagine you are a listener who has just been appointed Pupil Premium lead , where should their journey of discovery start? What is your test and learn approach for new PP funding activities .   Myths to discuss :  Pupil premium funding must be spent on interventions   I must attend courses to improve my knowledge of PP . Most disadvantaged pupils are culturally illiterate and disinterested so we need to take them on an engaging visit to a theme park / farm /ballet?   Only eligible children can benefit from PP spending?All data is good data , in school attainment data by teacher is a good predictor of the gap?   What are you working on at the moment? Where can listeners find out more ? Useful links: : Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading Curriculum- Athena versus the Machine. You may not agree with all of Martin's points but you will be stimulated by his arguments. This is a must read for all school leaders .  Martin will be a guest on an upcoming show. TDT Section  Maria is discussing CPD excellence hubs with Expert Adviser, Alex Beauchamp.  Get Involved! This podcast is entitled 'talking to teachers' so I really would like to hear how you have used guests work to influence your practice in your classrooms. Send me a 1 minute clip from your phone to and you can feature next week!
October 25, 2019
The work of the Chartered College with Dame Alison Peacock
This week on Naylor's natter , I am delighted to be joined by Dame Alison Peacock, the Chief Executive of the Chartered College of Teaching . Professor Dame Alison Peacock was appointed in August 2016 and became the Chartered College’s Chief Executive on 1 January 2017. Prior to joining the Chartered College, she was Executive Headteacher of The Wroxham School in Hertfordshire. Her career to date has spanned primary, secondary and advisory roles. She is a member of the Royal Society Education Committee, a peer member of the Teaching Schools Council and a trustee of both the Chartered Institute of Educational Assessors and of Teach First. In March 2015, Alison was appointed by the Department for Education as a member of the commission on assessment without levels and she is author of Assessment for Learning without Limits. In an in-depth and wide ranging interview we discuss: Could you tell listeners about your teaching career in which you taught in firstly secondary and then primary schools?    I first became aware of your work when you were headteacher of The Wroxham school in the early 2000s , could you describe the journey you led the school on?  Learning without limits was transformative for the school and the profession more widely , could you describe the ethos behind learning without limits and the effect it had?  As you know the podcast started life focussed on evidence and research . I am working in this area and I know this is an area in which you have been working in since the start of your career , could you tell listeners about how you have been involved in and used academic research? Your book from 2016 , assessment for learning without limits was also heavily based on 2 research studies . You advocated a quite different alternative pedagogy moving always from levels at that time ?  What were the main points put forward in this book?  As chief executive of the Chartered College , what is the colleges vision and  mission ?    The college has already had a huge impact on Re-professionalising teachers ,how have you gone about this ?  Impact magazine is a fantastic read and now without plastic , how do you go about selecting articles for the publication? For anyone who is not a member , how can they get involved ?   Where can listeners get in touch with you or the college ? In the Teacher Development Trust section: CEO David Weston is discussing the research around collegiality. Podcast Pedagogy  In this new  section with a working title of Podcast pedagogy I will be talking about the books I am reading at the moment and how I am incorporating their advice into my practice. This week I will discuss 'What Works- Research and evidence for successful teaching' by Lee Elliot Major and Steve Higgins. I will also be paying this book forward to one of our listeners so any listener who shares the promotional video replying with the #naylorsnatter will be entered.  We will also be hearing from listener David Alderson talking about how he has  incorporated dual coding  into their practice.  Shameless Plugs section My latest blog on Early Career teachers and instructional coaching will be out soon. If you would be interested in having Blackpool Research School or TDT  come in and talk to your school about research and evidence with CPD , please get in touch via the website
October 18, 2019
Parents and Teachers for Excellence with Mark Lehain
This week on Naylor's natter I am Joined by Mark Lehain. Mark is the Director of Parents and Teachers for excellence whose mission is to ensure that every school child should have an excellent education and great prospects regardless of their background. Mark joined PTE in September 2017 as their first ever director , previous to this he was the founder and Headteacher of Bedford Free School . Mark underwent by his own admission a journey of enlightenment , having not particularly believed in the benefits of a knowledge rich curriculum when Bedford Free School was opened in 2012. Mark is in great demand as a speaker and regularly presents at rED events up and down the country and we are delighted that he will be in Blackpool again this year.  I ask Mark: Could you tell us about your journey to this point ?    As one of the first founders of a free schools what lessons did you take away?    Could you tell listeners about your Sophie test?    Would it be fair to say you had a Damascene conversion to a knowledge rich curriculum? What was the catalyst for this change?    Parents and teachers for excellence was founded in 2017, what was the founding vision for PTE?    I really enjoyed reading ‘the questions of behaviour’ available on your website . Could you tell listeners about your key findings and your ‘warm strict approach’   PTE are running some high profile projects , could you tell us more about phone free schools and why this is important ?   One of my favourite sections of your website and your presentations is what should schools teach ? Could you tell listeners about some of the well meaning initiatives that organisations insist should be taught in schools ?    Where can listeners find out more about your work and where will you be speaking next?  TDT segement Shameless Plugs I will be at Lead Learn Lancs tomorrow (Saturday) to talk about 'Escaping the hamster wheel, using research and evidence to change culture in schools. Another mention for rED Blackpool and our friends at rED Birmingham where I will also be speaking in March. My latest blog on Early Career teachers and instructional coaching will be out soon  In a new section with a working title of Podcast pedagogy I will be talking about the books I am reading at the moment and how I am incorporating their advice into my practice. in future weeks, I would welcome listeners sending in their reflections on how they have applied findings from books or guests featured here. There is a facility to record via the Anchor app or email via the website We also have a new pay it forward section where thanks to Jill Berry's advice , I gift guests books to a lucky listener! Next week- watch this space!
October 11, 2019
Making the leadership leap with Dr Jill Berry
This week on Naylor's natter in association with the Teacher Development Trust I am in conversation with Dr Jill Berry.  Jill taught for 30 years carrying out seven different jobs in six different schools after beginning her teaching career as a secondary English specialist .  Since leaving headship in 2010, she has worked as an Associate for the National College for Teaching and Leadership, carried out a range of educational consultancy work and completed a part-time Doctorate in Education, researching the transition from deputy headship to headship. Jill has been involved in #WomenEd, a network designed to support aspiring and serving women leaders in education, since its inception in 2012. She has conducted academic research on the development of the initiative with Dr Kay Fuller from Nottingham University; spoken at several #WomenEd events, and contributed a chapter to the #WomenEd book: ‘10% Braver – Inspiring Women to Lead Education’ (Sage 2019).  Jill is an advocate for the opportunities presented by social media for networking and professional development, tweeting @jill berry102 and blogging I discuss with Jill: Could you tell listeners about your story? 30 years teaching, English specialist, 6 schools, masters, deputy headship and headship In difficult turbulent times in education and the world, why would anyone want to make the leap into leadership? Do good teachers automatically make good leaders? Should good leaders always be promoted out of the classroom? Should experience be a factor in any promotion or does enthusiasm count for more than knowledge? What are the key principles for anyone who is thinking of applying for leadership or headship? Having been appointed to a new position in a different school, what are the challenges of the period between appointment and formally taking up the role? People talk about the crucial first 100 days in a new job, what are the challenges of the early months in post? Once you become established in the new leadership position , how do you move beyond being the new leader? How important is the ECF in recognising the leadership role of mentors and coaches Her book, ‘Making the Leap: Moving from Deputy to Head’, was published by Crown House . TDT Section  In the TDT section , Maria and Ian talk about the transformational power of the CPD audit and the bespoke guidance given to schools . This work is something that I am fully involved in . Maria also talks about the TDT framework and the potential for enhancing subject specific CPD , she uses examples from very effective schools in this area.  In the shameless plugs section: I am delighted to have become a Fellow of the Chartered College of Teaching , This is something that means a huge deal to me and I am so appreciative of the opportunity to highlight the work of the College. I feel passionately that as a classroom teacher , I have a voice to influence the future of our profession. Thank you also to TeacherTap for featuring my blog  'A Routine Matter' last week. I really enjoy writing and I must find time to write more, I really appreciate the recognition as I know how picky they are. Thanks also to Phil Brown for his input here. Lead Learn Lancs draws ever closer , 12th October . You can see me (if you want to) in session 1 talking about how we are using research and evidence to change culture in schools.  rED Blackpool has now tipped over the 600 ticket mark and we may have to start thinking about capping this so stay tuned! Dame Alison Peacock next week. 
October 4, 2019
Doug Lemov on Teach Like a Champion and Reading Reconsidered.
This week I am Joined by teacher, author and all round education guru Doug Lemov. In this podcast we talk about the massive impact Teach Like  A Champion 2.0 has had on the teaching profession . Doug talks about Uncommon Schools and the art of teaching and its tools. He goes into detail about some of the techniques discussed in the books and how teachers have used them. We also talk about 'Reading Reconsidered' and it's influence on  national pedagogy and  the teaching of reading. We go into detail about the cultural capital of a literary canon, the importance of explicitly teaching vocabulary and the implementation of school wide reading programmes We also get an exclusive on the upcoming TLAC 3.0! Here are the discussion points in the podcast  Could you tell listeners about your own personal journey in education? Could you explain the concept of Uncommon Schools and the fieldwork you undertook in the production of both TLAC and Reading reconsidered? In the introduction to TLAC , you talk about the 'art of teaching and it's tools' what do you mean by that? How is this different or possibly complimentary to the evidence based teaching movement? TLAC 2.0 has been phenomenally successful in the UK, how would you advise schools to best use the book? I find the field guide an excellent accompaniment especially when working with new teachers . Reading has been a big focus for all the schools I work with in Blackpool. We have used your work extensively along with the expertise of Alex Quigley (Closing the Vocabulary Gap) to address this . Our literacy lead Becky Jones has introduced a literary canon across our school and we now have a fixed reading period daily with pupils working through this canon. Why do you think the canon has declined and how important is book choice? Having selected a canon, what approaches to reading do you advocate in part 2 of reading reconsidered ? The fundamentals How can we build vocabulary during reading? How important is implementation in developing reading systems and what are the key phases in this process? Shameless plugs My article for RSC 'Young and in charge' My latest blog for Teacher Toolkit All previous interviews are available via my website Next week Dame Alison Peacock
September 27, 2019
Responsive Teaching with Jonathan Clucas
This week I  am in conversation with inspirational Layton Primary School Headteacher Jonathan Clucas.  I am fortunate to work closely with Jonathan through our work with the Blackpool Research School. This podcast was prompted by Layton's inclusion in Ross Morrison McGill's 'Just Great Teaching' as a case study in responsive and dialogic teaching . We discuss how this inclusion came about, the consistently excellent outcomes for pupils at Layton and the positive culture of professional development at Layton. Discussion points Responsive Teaching Dialogic questioning Modelling The use of technology We also have our regular input from our friends and colleagues at the Teacher Development Trust , which will be at the start of the podcast this week to mix things up a little! Next week Doug Lemov on Reading Reconsidered and Teach Like a Champion
September 20, 2019
Gender Equality and EdTech with Nicole Ponsford . TDT on Equality, Career development and fairness.
This week on the podcast, I am in conversation with Nicole Ponsford . Nicole describes herself as working in 'the corners of ed and tech' . She is a teacher, an EdDoctorate Researcher, CEO and founder of the Gender Equality Collective . She is also a TES columnist and the co-author of TechnoTeaching. We had a natter about: 1) You started teaching in early 2000's as I did. Tell listeners a little about your early career mentoring NQTs and improving literacy across school. 2) You were quickly awarded AST status, we hear lots of negatives about ASTs (I am an ex AST) but the issue of promotion out of the classroom rather than promotion within it never seems to have been solved. How did you find the work of an AST , what was the best thing about being an AST? 3) What was the biggest challenge about leading teaching and learning across a school? 4) Technology in schools can be a thorny issue. What advice would you give listeners about how best to use technology in schools? Could you tell listeners more about techno teachers ? 5) Could you tell listeners about your experience of maternity leave and your move into freelance? 6)Narrowing the disadvantage gap is the biggest issue arguably facing schools today (it certainly is in Blackpool) . How did you go about this in your role at Achievement for all? 7) Gender balance is an important issue in schools, homes and businesses, could you tell listeners about your work on the gender equality charter? 8) Where can we find out more about you? In the shameless plugs section: We discuss rED Blackpool and my upcoming article for RSC EiC magazine entitled 'Promotion is it worth it?' out on Monday. We also have our weekly input from our friends and colleagues at Teacher Development Trust  Following on seamlessly from the interview with Nicole, the CEO of TDT David Weston shares some research and solutions on equality, carer development and fairness .
September 13, 2019
Unleashing Great Teaching with David Weston
This week I am in conversation with the Teacher Development Trust CEO David Weston. This conversation marks the start of the podcasts proud and new association with TDT . This will bring expertise from the team in weekly inputs and will further broaden the range of teachers that I am talking to. We discuss the following themes   1) You wanted to be a teacher from a young age, could you tell listeners about teaching your teddies their 4 times table?   2) What do you mean by professional learning?  3) What are the ingredients of professional learning  4) How do schools go about getting the culture of professional learning right?  5) What are the building blocks of a developmental culture?  6) Why should leaders prioritise and resource professional learning  7) How important are school leaders in setting the culture  8) To support and challenge schools, is it important to engage effectively with experts?  9) How do you select and commission experts?  10) I am very excited that Naylor's natter is now proudly in association with TDT , how do you see the future of this association?  11) TDT have some very exciting events and conferences coming up this academic year, could you tell listeners more about these ? We also have our first input from TDT. Maria Cunningham and Bethan Hindley discuss their experiences at the International Conference of World Association for Lesson Studies. They talk with Julie Jordan about Kyozaikenkyu Stay tuned to the very end! In the shameless plugs section at the end of the podcast , I remind listeners that I will be at rED National conference tomorrow so please come and say hello! 
September 6, 2019
Powerful Knowledge with Professor Michael Young
In this conversation directly following  #rED Rugby , I ask Professor Young about: The themes of his presentation The idea of powerful knowledge and its influence on current educational policy Social mobility and social justice The re-professionalisation of teaching and the rise of subject associations and the Chartered College Enjoy your return to school colleagues ! 
August 30, 2019
Stop talking about wellbeing with Kat Howard
This week I am in conversation with Kat about LitDrive , maternity CPD, WomenEd and Imposter syndrome . We talk in depth about her new book which is called 'Stop talking about wellbeing' and is available here: The podcast: First gentle intro - your journey to this point .  Listeners will be aware of your work with litdriveUK , could you tell us how you came up with this idea ? You are very passionate about CPD, and something that you have blogged about recently is maternity CPD . Could you tell listeners about how you maximised your maternity leave ?    A very popular presentation you delivered was at WomenED , could you tell listeners about imposter syndrome and it’s features ?  You have a new book coming out with John Catt , this is called stop talking about wellbeing . How did this come about and why is the time right for a book like this ?   How have you used your expertise in research to help teachers take ownership of their workload?   When is the book out , are you out talking about it and working with teachers ?    Where can we see you next ?  Can you direct listeners to your website /blog  etc .  
August 23, 2019
NewEd ,TES articles and being a CPD and research lead with Emma Turner
I ask Emma about her exciting new project NewED , her writing for TES and her role as research and CPD lead . We also discuss the importance of the Chartered College and Bucks Fizz! Here are some of the topics for discussion: Usual intro -journey to this point question As research and CPD lead for your trust , how do you go about sourcing the best CPD out there and how do you structure your CPD offering as a trust ?  Could you tell listeners how you the idea of newED came about ?  I know NewED November is now sold out but could you tell listeners about your speakers and future events ?  There have been some exciting developments with this recently , are you able to give a naylor’s natter exclusive on the latest developments?  On the other end of the career spectrum , you’ve recently written about how a 70 year old teacher is your hero . What do you think are the factors meaning more experienced teachers are leaving the profession and what can we/should we do about this ?  I loved your article on should I stay or should I go and the saucepan analogy. Summer gives teachers lots of time to think about next steps and many will be thinking this is the year to go for that promotion...could you explain the saucepan analogy and how should you go about finding your lid ?  How important is online CPD ? There are some brilliant people out there , who should listeners be aware of . I love the carpool you did for example !  Where can listeners find out more about you and what you are doing next ? 
August 16, 2019
Teaching for Mastery with Mark McCourt
This week I am discussing Mark's new book 'Teaching for Mastery' , which is now available as a kindle edition. This is a full and frank discussion (with some language to match) which takes in all aspects of the book and more besides including: Could you tell listeners about your career to this point and what you are working on at the moment? Your new books is called ‘teaching for mastery’ and you begin it by highlighting those that have influenced your thinking in this book. Who were these early players and what influence did they have on the mastery model for a schooling ? Follow up : Bloom has had a mixed reception recently but you highlight his work here , I also talked with Tom Guskey earlier this week , how influential has his work been ?  What are the core elements of a mastery model? What is the conveyer belt approach to curriculum and why is it so prevalent in England?  Is this model applicable outside of the teaching of mathematics?  Chapter 3 discusses learning from cognitive science , what are the key lessons we should take from that field?  Ben Gordon wanted to discuss mixed ability vs mixed attainment vs setting , so if listeners are thinking of changing what should they be aware of ?  In the chapter on implementation, you talk about embedding the mastery model for schools that want to change their current model . What advice would you have for leaders looking to begin this long and complex process?  What do you mean by a learning episode ?  How do you phase learning in a mastery approach ?  What conclusions did you draw from writing this book? Get the book here- now available on Kindle too!
August 9, 2019
Powerful Teaching with Patrice Bain
This week I am in conversation with Patrice Bain about her and Pooja Agarwal's new book Powerful Teaching in the second of my summer specials  About Patrice  Patrice M. Bain, Ed.S. is passionate about student success using research-based strategies. As a veteran K–12 teacher, Patrice recently completed more than 25 years teaching social studies at a middle school in Illinois. Patrice is the only teacher-author of the popular practice guide, Organizing Instruction and Study to Improve Student Learning commissioned by the Institute of Education Sciences. Patrice's teaching approaches have been featured on TV (PBS's NOVA), radio (NPR), popular press, and multiple books. Patrice frequently presents professional development workshops throughout the United States. She has taught education courses at the graduate level, and she was a finalist for Illinois Teacher of the Year and a Fulbright Scholar in Russia. For more information about Patrice, visit and follow her on Twitter @patricebain1. The natter: Introduction: could you tell listeners about your career to this point , how you meet your co-author Pooja and how you decided to work together?  What is powerful teaching and how and why did you and Pooja come up with this idea ? Many Listeners will be familiar with the cognitive science behind the strategies suggested (my podcast is broadly evidence based) , what we are maybe less familiar with is how to incorporate these into our teaching , this is why I’m thrilled to speak with you .  Could you outline some suggestions on how to incorporate retrieval practice into lessons?  Spacing is something that teachers may be incorporating as part of their schemes of learning or long term plans . How do you suggest teachers use spacing ?  I am fascinated by metacognition and have delivered keynotes and courses on the topic , I still find it incredibly difficult to explain what it is and how to incorporate it into lessons . Your book has some fantastic suggestions , could you outline some of these for listeners ?    Interleaving is used by many students during revision for example . How do you suggest that teachers best use interleaving as a classroom strategy ?    Could you outline for listeners where you will be speaking next and where they can get your book?   Will you be coming to the UK ?  
August 2, 2019
Evaluating Professional Development with Thomas R. Guskey, Ph.D.
This weeks natter is with the distinguished Dr Thomas R Guskey. We discuss professional development and the importance of evaluating CPD. I ask Tom about his seminal piece of research: Does It Make a Difference? Evaluating Professional Development About Tom: Thomas R. Guskey, Ph.D. is a Senior Research Scholar in the College of Education and Human Development at the University of Louisville and Professor Emeritus in the College of Education at the University of Kentucky. A graduate of the University of Chicago, he began his career in education as a middle school teacher, served as an administrator in the Chicago Public Schools, and was the first director of the Center for the Improvement of Teaching and Learning, a national research centre. Dr. Guskey is the author/editor of 25 award-winning books and more than 250 book chapters, articles, and professional papers on educational measurement, evaluation, assessment, grading, and professional learning. His articles have appeared in prominent research journals including the American Educational Research Journal, Educational Researcher, and Review of Educational Research, as well as practitioner publications such as Education Week, Educational Leadership, Phi Delta Kappan, and The Learning Professional, and School Administrator. He served on the Policy Research Team of the National Commission on Teaching & America’s Future, and on the task force to develop the National Standards for Professional Development.  Introductory questions What is your 5 level model for evaluating professional development and how did it come about? What do you hope people take away from your model? England specific questions Professional development has arguably never been more valued than it is currently. In 2016 the DfE produced standards for teachers professional development but stopped short of overtly suggesting evaluation . Why is evaluation so important in professional development and so often overlooked?  In 2018, the EEF released an implementation guide which looked at how to implement professional learning (and other initiatives) and was pitched at decision makers within schools. This seems to sit across levels 3-5 of your model. What do you see as the best ways to evaluate at level 3 . The EEF guide talks about fidelity data but what procedures would you use to evaluate at level 3?  In 2019, OFSTED have written into their grade descriptors for a school to be 'outstanding' that "leaders ensure that teachers receive focussed and highly effective professional development. Teachers subject, pedagogical and pedagogical content knowledge build and develop over time. This consistently translates into improvements in the teaching of the curriculum" Firstly , what are your views on this? Secondly do you see this as sitting at level 4 and what are your thoughts on using observations of lessons to evaluate professional learning? Does improving the teaching of the curriculum automatically improve outcomes for pupils? Episode produced and edited by William H Rushton (
July 25, 2019
Season 3 Episode 4- Kate Jones on her book 'Love to teach'
In this weeks podcast I have a natter with Kate about her book which i am a big fan of! The reason I like this book is that it combines the latest educational research with examples of exactly what this looks like in your classroom. The book is filled with research informed concepts and theories and is useful for all teachers. We discuss  Lesson starters and retrieval practice How can teachers best use technology? What is the best way to embrace literacy in your subject? How much responsibility do teachers have for their own CPD? If listeners would like to become patrons of the podcast and contribute the cost of a flat white to help the host, details can be found here: Kate's website Twitter  @87History Instagram LovetoTeach87
July 10, 2019
Season 3 Episode 3- Kathryn Morgan on CPD, the work of Thomas Guskey and evaluation.
In this weeks episode Kathryn and I natter about the importance of good CPD , developing a culture of professional learning and the work of Thomas Guskey. Guskey: Does It Make a Difference? Evaluating Professional Development
July 3, 2019
Season 3 Episode 2- IEE Director Jonathan Haslam on evidence from the frontline
Jonathan Haslam is the Director of the Institute for the Institute for Effective Education . We talk about engaging with evidence and empowering educators with evidence. We talk about the IEE 'Engaging with evidence'  guide , best evidence in brief and evidence from the frontline. We also go off down stretched analogies for Implementation and active ingredients , see what you think of them! Apologies for interference when a family member would not stop ringing, the real life of a teacher 
June 25, 2019
Season 3 Episode 1 - EEF's Iggy Rhodes on Improving Behaviour in Schools
This week I am in conversation with EEF’s Iggy Rhodes abut the new EEF guidance report on 'Improving behaviour in schools' which she co-authored with Michelle Long. We talk about: EEF and the What works network The process of writing a report like this The 6 recommendations in detail and the balance of proactive and reactive strategies  We discuss the importance of consistency in improving behaviour  Download the report here
June 18, 2019
Season 2 Episode 8 - with Ruth Walker
This week: Lead Practitioner, writer and rED presenter Ruth Walker  In this interview ahead of rED Rugby on Saturday 15th June, Ruth and I discuss the work of Professor Michael Young and the concept of  'Powerful Knowledge'. We also discuss curriculum development, Physics,Cognitive Science and implementation. About Ruth: Teaching Physics – Writing my own textbooks – War on the soft bigotry of low expectations – Team #cogscisci @Rosalindphys
June 11, 2019
Season 2 Episode 7 with Oli Cav
In the week of the release of 'Dual coding for teachers' , we discuss the work of Paivio and Clark, Sweller and others. We talk about the recent popularity of cognitive science and how it has shone a light on dual coding . We natter about cog sci and graphic principles and how to ensure research can cater for both the busy teacher and the research hungry colleagues out there! We discuss how oliver has worked with 35 teachers, teacher developers, psychologists and information designers to share their dual coding practice. we also look at his collaborations with The Learning Scientists, Tom Sherrington and Stephen Tierney. A great episode (if I do say so myself) so like subscribe and share.  Thank you for listening About Oli Cav I used to be a headteacher of a special school, wrote several books on visual teaching strategies and was a trainer in schools and colleges for nearly a decade. After an inspired visit to the 2008 Berlin VizThink conference, I invented the HOW2s — visual step-by-step guides to teaching techniques. Now, I design and illustrate books, produce poster summaries of educational ideas, create visual branding, visualise CPD packages, and make the occasional presentation in the UK and Europe.  |  @olicav The book:Dual coding with teachers Research discussed
June 4, 2019
Season 2 Episode 6 with Mark Enser
In this weeks Natter I speak to Head of Geography, Research Lead and author Mark Enser. We discuss the following research paper and its application in schools: Retrieval-Based Learning: A Perspective for Enhancing Meaningful Learning Jeffrey D. Karpicke & Phillip J. Grimaldi Abstract: Learning is often identified with the acquisition, encoding, or construction of new knowledge, while retrieval is often considered only a means of assessing knowledge, not a process that contributes to learning. Here, we make the case that retrieval is the key process for understanding and for promoting learning. We provide an overview of recent research showing that active retrieval enhances learning, and we highlight ways researchers have sought to extend research on active retrieval to meaningful learning—the learning of complex educational materials as assessed on measures of inference making and knowledge application. However, many students lack metacognitive awareness of the benefits of practicing active retrieval. We describe two approaches to addressing this problem: class- room quizzing and a computer-based learning program that guides students to practice retrieval. Retrieval processes must be considered in any analysis of learning, and incorpo- rating retrieval into educational activities represents a powerful way to enhance learning As usual we discuss  Why this is an important paper and hw its findings can inform teachers practice in their classrooms About Mark: I have been teaching for 14 years in a range of schools. I started in an inner city all girls school in Southampton before moving to an all boys CofE school in Worthing; this was less of a culture shock than I was expecting. I am currently a head of department at a wonderful 11-18 mixed comprehensive in rural Sussex. When I am not teaching or planning I am probably out walking or running in the hills. I regularly contribute articles to TES and you can find my author’s page here. My first book – Making Every Geography Lesson Countis out now and I am currently writing my second, Teach Like Nobody’s Watching. Mark's books: Coming soon: Ruth Walker Oliver Caviglioli Jonathan Haslam and Professor Michael Young 
May 29, 2019
Season 2 Episode 6 with Mark Enser
In this weeks Naylor's Natter I speak to Head of Geography, Research Lead and author Mark Enser. We discuss the following research paper and its application in schools: Retrieval-Based Learning: A Perspective for Enhancing Meaningful Learning Jeffrey D. Karpicke & Phillip J. Grimaldi Abstract:  Learning is often identified with the acquisition, encoding, or construction of new knowledge, while retrieval is often considered only a means of assessing knowledge, not a process that contributes to learning. Here, we make the case that retrieval is the key process for understanding and for promoting learning. We provide an overview of recent research showing that active retrieval enhances learning, and we highlight ways researchers have sought to extend research on active retrieval to meaningful learning—the learning of complex educational materials as assessed on measures of inference making and knowledge application. However, many students lack metacognitive awareness of the benefits of practicing active retrieval. We describe two approaches to addressing this problem: class- room quizzing and a computer-based learning program that guides students to practice retrieval. Retrieval processes must be considered in any analysis of learning, and incorpo- rating retrieval into educational activities represents a powerful way to enhance learning As usual we discuss  Why this is an important paper and hw its findings can inform teachers practice in their classrooms About Mark: I have been teaching for 14 years in a range of schools. I started in an inner city all girls school in Southampton before moving to an all boys CofE school in Worthing; this was less of a culture shock than I was expecting. I am currently a head of department at a wonderful 11-18 mixed comprehensive in rural Sussex. When I am not teaching or planning I am probably out walking or running in the hills. I regularly contribute articles to TES and you can find my author’s page here. My first book – Making Every Geography Lesson Count is out now and I am currently writing my second, Teach Like Nobody’s Watching. Mark's books: Coming soon: Ruth Walker Oliver Caviglioli Jonathan Haslam and Professor Michael Young 
May 28, 2019
Season 2- Episode 5 with Tom Sherrington @teacherhead on Rosenshine's Principles in action.
In this podcast Tom and I discuss Barak Rosenshine's Principles of instruction and his new book: Rosenshine's principles in action In this book and podcast Tom amplifies and augments the principles and further demonstrates how they can be put into practice in everyday classrooms.The second half of the book contains Rosenshine's original paper 'Principles of instruction' as published in 2010 by the IAE. We discuss: 1) So why are Barak Rosenshine’s ‘principles of instruction’ so good? 2) The reason I started this podcast is to make research accessible for teachers through sharing the experiences of teachers engagement. To what extent does Rosenshine bridge the research-practice divide? Taking the ideas of the page and into action  3) How well do you feel that principles of instruction are supported by the learning models from cognitive science? 4) What role does a knowledge rich curriculum play in the implementation of Rosenshine’s principles? 5) Strand 1 looks at sequencing concepts and modelling. What relevant instructional procedures could teachers use here? 6) What repertoire of questioning strategies have you found useful for teachers? (Maybe some discussion of link to TLAC and Lemov) 7) How can teachers go about making daily, weekly and monthly review part of an effective and sustainable routine? 8) In conclusion, I know of many schools that have bought the book for all staff , how can schools use your book to support the process of professional development? Coming soon-Tom Curriculum thinking-Three masterclasses with John Tomsett and Mary Myatt Coming soon: Phil  EEF behaviour guidance report in Lancashire rED Rugby- Escaping the Hamster Wheel- using research and CPD to change culture in schools
May 20, 2019
Season 2 Episode 4 - Professor Daniel Muijs
In this episode Simon Cox and I talk to Professor Muijs about the new Education Inspection Framework 2019 . We ask him about his development of the research commentary underpinning the new framework and what research is important for teachers. We discuss the importance of CPD and the role of grassroots research movements like rED. Education inspection framework 2019 Research Commentary EEF behaviour launch- ELTSA rED Rugby
May 16, 2019
Season 2 Episode 4 with Louise Lewis
In this episode, I ask Louise about her fantastic blog 'Research Leads-what's all the fuss about?' . We talk evidence, research and becoming critical consumers.  Louise is: Research Lead, biologist, AHoD, MCCT, AQA examiner and avid tea enthusiast.  Louise blog: Next week- Professor Daniel Muijs 
May 9, 2019
Season 2 Episode 3A- Pritesh Raichura
Pritesh discussed this on the podcast: Link to paper: Link to blog: Twitter: @Mr_Raichura Michaela Community School Science Teacher: Arrange a visit: Coming up: Speaking on metacognition Speaking on effective professional development Using digital technologies -EEF guidance report
May 3, 2019
Season 2 Episode 3- Pritesh Raichura
Pritesh discussed this on the podcast: Link to paper: Link to blog: Twitter: @Mr_Raichura Michaela Community School Science Teacher: Arrange a visit: Coming up: Speaking on metacognition Speaking on effective professional development Using digital technologies -EEF guidance report
May 3, 2019
Season 2 Episode 2- Liam Webb
Season 2 of this fast-growing podcast where I discuss with teachers their use of academic research in their lessons.  Liam discusses  his use of Research including this paper: From Whole‐Part‐Whole Learning Model Richard A. Swanson  Bryan D. Law Liam also talks about his online presence and PE resource sharing via: and his work on webinars via I also discuss: Inside Gov conference 9/5/19 London- speaking on behalf of Blackpool Research School Inside Gov conference 14/5/19 Manchester- speaking on behalf of TDT ResearchED Rugby - 'Escaping the hamster wheel of accountability-using research to change culture in schools'  15/6/19 More about me: twitter facebook Linkedin
April 25, 2019
Season 2 Episode 1 with Amy Forrester
Amy on twitter Amy's blog rED Rugby rED Blackpool takeaways My latest article:
April 11, 2019
Episode 6- Bethan Hindley
In the episode, Bethan and I discuss her use of evidence and research in her teaching career . We discuss her new role with TDT and how listening to podcasts provided her with access to some research and evidence . Audio warning-its loud! My bad....... Here is a link  to the podcasts discussed TDT website
March 8, 2019
Episode 5 with Ben Gordon
Links to: Principles of Instruction paper - Principles of Instruction summary from American Federation of Teachers - Tom Sherrington's "Rosenshine Re-ordered" blog - My fiive Meanings of direct instruction poster in collaboration with Oli Caviglioli - My blog: Alphabetical Signposts to Teacher Excellence blog:
February 25, 2019
Episode 4- Jess Walmsley
Episode 4 discussing  "Why minimal guidance during instruction does not work" ttps:// with
February 8, 2019
Bumper Episode 3- Dr Gary Jones
In this episode Dr Gary Jones natters with me about this article in the TES in which I propose a version of Disciplined Inquiry as part of teachers appraisal. Gary references the following articles: 1)Judgment and the Preparation of Educational Leaders Daniel L. Duke1 2)The Challenges of Practitioner Research: A Comparative Study of Singapore and NSW Neville Ellis UNSW, Tony Loughland UNSW, 3) Gary's blog Gary on twitter Gary book I have drawn on these blogs in the formation of my TES article and this podcast Disciplined inquiry  Huntington Research School John Tomsett Durrington Research School
January 29, 2019
Episode 2- Interview with TDT's John Collier
In this episode, I am talking to John about his work with his teaching school, his work with the Teacher Development Trust and his use of research and evidence . We also discuss his forthcoming presentation at rED Blackpool. Here is a link to the guidance report discussed: John on twitter: Teacher Development Trust Me on twitter
January 24, 2019
Episode 1 -Interview with Blackpool Research School Director Simon Cox
The first 'proper' episode in which I ask Simon about the impact research and evidence have had on him as both a teacher and the Director of Blackpool Research School . We also talk about the upcoming ResearchED event in Blackpool and Simon's role in pulling that together.
January 17, 2019
Taster episode 2- formulating interview questions
In this second taster, I will be looking at the questions I have drafted to ask our teachers . They focus primarily on the effect research has had on their practice, their professional development and their pupils. I am also inviting suggestions for unique questions to make Naylor's natter distinctive so please do share thoughts @pna1977  Interviews next week .....promise!
January 11, 2019
Naylor's natter-what's coming up in episode 1
A new podcast where teachers are asked about the influence research and evidence has had on their practice. Leaders in schools also discuss the importance of professional learning and how they provide high quality environments for their teachers and pupils. In this taster episode, I outline future guests which include presenters at the upcoming Blackpool ResearchEd conference. Next week I will be interviewing the organiser of the above conference, have a listen!
January 4, 2019