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Of Course I'm Not OK: The Podcast

Of Course I'm Not OK: The Podcast

By Katie Morell

Hosted by Karen Hawkins and Katie Morell, writers & longtime friends, this podcast explores mental health, creativity, & coping with quarantine. The goal: to help people feel less alone, share stores, & create connection.
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65. Navigating The Fire

Of Course I'm Not OK: The PodcastDec 06, 2021

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167. Being Supportive vs. Projecting

167. Being Supportive vs. Projecting

Welcome back, Gorgeous Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat while Karen is at the airport and Katie has COVID (fun!). The pair discuss talks about everything from how Southwest Airlines seats is passengers and how Katie is manifesting a Business Class ticket to Europe to how certain comments aren't helpful in times of stress and the strange boutiques that are often inside airports (hello Spanx).

Thanks for listening - enjoy!


Check out Kate Silver's piece on toxic positivity here: https://www.webmd.com/balance/features/toxic-positivity

Mar 25, 202444:09
166. Media Portrayals of Women

166. Media Portrayals of Women

Happy Monday, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about some of their favorite media portrayals of women and share their thoughts on not-so-savory attempts at representation. The pair also chats about COVID and Trump - hooray!

Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Mar 18, 202435:54
165. Food, Sexism, & Plastic Couch Covers w/Author Geraldine DeRuiter!

165. Food, Sexism, & Plastic Couch Covers w/Author Geraldine DeRuiter!

Welcome to a VERY special episode, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat with the amazing Geraldine DeRuiter about her new book If You Can't Take the Heat: Tales of Food, Feminism, and Fury.


The trio start by talking about First Ladies that took over for their ailing husbands and plastic couch covers (call-backs to our last episode!), then go into Geraldine's journey to writing this book (shocking restaurant experiences in Italy, writing about Mario Batali's cinnamon rolls ) and finish by hearing her thoughts on the 2024 election.


Make sure you buy Geraldine's book! https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/720922/if-you-cant-take-the-heat-by-geraldine-deruiter/


Check out her blog about Mario Batali's cinnamon rolls: https://medium.com/@everywhereist/i-made-the-pizza-cinnamon-rolls-from-mario-batalis-sexual-misconduct-apology-letter-ef927659cab6


And her amazing blog The Everywhereist: https://www.everywhereist.com/

Mar 11, 202401:00:51
164. Being LOUD

164. Being LOUD

Get ready for another amazing episode, listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie follow-up last week's 'Being Visible' chat with the topic of Being LOUD (i.e. speaking your truth).

We hope you enjoy this episode - thank you for listening!


Feb 26, 202447:53
163. Being Visible

163. Being Visible

Welcome back, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about their feelings around putting themselves out there and being visible. The conversation ranges from how they feel posting vulnerable posts/Reels to Instagram and how showing up in meetings (and at dance class) matters to how those who put themselves out there are, in fact, real humans.

We hope you enjoy - thanks for listening!

Feb 19, 202434:05
162. SPECIAL Galentine's Day Episode: Long-Distance Friendships w/Ginger Buddha!

162. SPECIAL Galentine's Day Episode: Long-Distance Friendships w/Ginger Buddha!

STRAP IN, Listeners! On a very special episode, Karen and Katie welcome back the one and only Ginger Buddha for our annual Galentine's Day episode. This one is on long-distance friendships and it gets deep fast. The trio talk about expectations in friendships, assumptions, the divide between people with kids/no kids, and (most amazingly) GB and Karen chat about their real-life friendship and how it has changed since Karen moved to Indy.

This one is so special, we really hope you enjoy!

Please check out Ginger Buddha's podcast, 'Childcare, WTF?' and this episode called 'Adult Friendships With and Without Kids: WTF?' https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/adult-friendships-with-and-without-kids-wtf/id1697003703?i=1000630662314


Feb 12, 202455:55
161. Emotions As Intuition

161. Emotions As Intuition

Happy Monday, Lovely Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about how emotions can give us clear signs as to what our intuition is trying to tell us. This is a fascinating convo you won't want to miss.

Thanks for listening - enjoy! xo

- Check out the Harvard Business Review piece we chat about in the show: https://hbr.org/2022/03/how-to-stop-overthinking-and-start-trusting-your-gut

Jan 22, 202429:40
160. Making 2024 YOUR YEAR

160. Making 2024 YOUR YEAR

Welcome to a really short mini-pod, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about the concept of making 2024 YOUR YEAR.

Enjoy!

Jan 15, 202406:14
159. New Year's Intentions & Writing Practices w/Dr. Tania Israel

159. New Year's Intentions & Writing Practices w/Dr. Tania Israel

Happy 2024, Listeners! On today's pod, Karen and Katie chat with Dr. Tania Israel about how her 2023 New Year's resolutions worked out (spoiler: VERY WELL!), and her thoughts on writing and her writing process.

- Check out the 100-day writing challenge with the LA Writers Lab: https://lawriterslab.com/online-writing-classes/writing-challenge/

- And Tania's post about 2023 resolutions: https://taniaisrael.com/2023/12/28/2023-year-in-review/


Jan 08, 202451:47
158. Year-End Intentions

158. Year-End Intentions

Happy end-of-2023, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about how they feel as the year comes to an end, and how it can be helpful to end the year with intention.

Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Dec 18, 202323:13
157. Holiday grab bag

157. Holiday grab bag

Happy Holiday season, Friends! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat for a few minutes (this is a mini-pod) about holiday traditions and thoughts on where *not to celebrate Christmas (it's a brain buster).

Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Dec 11, 202322:07
156. Having Faith In Our Future Selves

156. Having Faith In Our Future Selves

Welcome back, lovely listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about fun adventures at hotels in Alabama, grief over giving away house plants, and the main topic of the day: the idea of having faith in our future selves (regardless of the worry we have right now).

Thanks so much for listening - we hope you enjoy! xo

Dec 04, 202343:20
155. Protecting Your Peace

155. Protecting Your Peace

Happy Late November, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about the importance of protecting your peace when life seems a little hairy.

Enjoy - thanks for listening!


Nov 27, 202340:22
154. Grace

154. Grace

Happy Monday, Listeners and welcome to today's mini-pod! Today, Karen and Katie chat about grace. What is it like to receive it from others? What is it like to *not receive grace? And how do we give grace to others and to ourselves? Karen also goes into how the concept of grace shows up in various parts of society.

Thanks for listening - we hope you enjoy!

Nov 20, 202314:46
153. What Is Your Anger Vent?

153. What Is Your Anger Vent?

Happy Monday, Lovely Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie get deep into what types of activities help them process anger.


**Also, this is their FIRST video YouTube recording! Check out the video version of this episode on the Rebellious Magazine YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ2jT-XW5M10wZIYjCqsqIA


We hope you like this episode - thanks for listening!

Nov 13, 202329:01
152. PART 2: Challenging The Narratives OTHERS Have About Us

152. PART 2: Challenging The Narratives OTHERS Have About Us

Ooowwweee! Welcome, Friends, to another thrilling installment of the pod. On today's show, Karen and Katie discuss their Halloween experiences and then dive into the super-vulnerable topic of how others think of us. This is a part 2 from last week's show about challenges the narratives we have for ourselves.

We hope you enjoy - thanks for listening! xo

Nov 06, 202346:52
151. Challenging Narratives We Have About Ourselves

151. Challenging Narratives We Have About Ourselves

Happy Monday, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about how we can all tell ourselves stories about ourselves throughout our lives. And how those stories may not be true as we go through life. This is a great one and gets super deep - we hope you enjoy!

Oct 30, 202353:04
150. Call Your Funny Friend

150. Call Your Funny Friend

Welcome back, Listeners! Today, Karen and Katie are FITTING IT IN with a mini-pod and chatting about their weekends (Chicago! Play Auditions!), as well as the importance of keeping things light when they seem heavy.

Enjoy - thanks for listening!

Oct 23, 202315:34
149. What Would Beyonce Do?

149. What Would Beyonce Do?

Hello Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about a variety of things, including shirts, accents and they ask the age-old question: 'What Would Beyonce Do?'


Thanks for listening - we hope you enjoy!

Oct 16, 202321:38
148. When Plans Fall Apart...And It Is OK

148. When Plans Fall Apart...And It Is OK

Welcome back, Listeners! On today's pod, Karen and Katie chat about Katie getting COVID and going home early from NYC and Karen's experience seeing Beyonce in New Orleans. The pair also discuss how plans not working out can actually be great, especially when surrender is involved.

Thanks for listening, enjoy!

Oct 09, 202332:03
147. Morning & Evening Routines

147. Morning & Evening Routines

Howdy Listeners and welcome back to the pod! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about their morning and evening routines. They also discuss sleep and how that impacts both the early and later parts of the day.


Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Oct 02, 202330:49
146. Considering Our Purpose

146. Considering Our Purpose

Happy Monday, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about Beyonce, meltdowns (Katie's, in particular), and the concept of purpose. What is your purpose? Do you know? How do you think about that question?


- Check out Amejko Artistry: https://www.amejkoartistry.com/ (this is the art studio where Katie is recording this week - tune in to hear how her friend Anna found her purpose in creating art)


Thanks for listening!


Sep 25, 202335:38
145. Mercury Retrograde & COVID Musings

145. Mercury Retrograde & COVID Musings

Welcome back, Listeners! This week, Karen and Katie chat about Mercury Retrograde and how it is impacting them. They also chat about COVID (what would it be like to go under lockdown again?), lessons from the past, and how WWII factors in (or does it?).

We hope you enjoy - thanks for listening!

Sep 11, 202341:39
144. Songs That Lift Us Up

144. Songs That Lift Us Up

Welcome back, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about songs that help improve their moods when they are not feeling OK. The pair also discuss Beyonce travel plans and much more!

Thanks for listening, Y'all! xo

Sep 04, 202327:04
143. Ba-Ba-Ba-BARBIE w/Ginger Buddha & Dr. Tania Israel!

143. Ba-Ba-Ba-BARBIE w/Ginger Buddha & Dr. Tania Israel!

OMGGGGGEEEEE! Listeners, this is one of our best shows ever. Today, Karen and Katie sit down with the incomparable Dr. Tania Israel and Ginger Buddha to have a full-on 'Barbie' review. The conversation is rich and nuanced and super juicy. We can't wait for you to hear it!

Thanks for listening - we appreciate every single one of you! xo

Aug 28, 202353:03
142. Girl Energy w/Dr. Tania Israel

142. Girl Energy w/Dr. Tania Israel

Ooooh, Listeners, you are in for a TREAT today! On this week's show, Karen and Katie chat with the amazing Dr. Tania Israel about GIRL ENERGY and how that is manifesting this summer. The chat covers Taylor Swift, Barbie and so much more! This is one not to miss.

Thanks for listening - enjoy!

- Connect with Dr. Tania Israel here: https://taniaisrael.com/

- Listen to her Dr. Waffles & Friends podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/dr-waffle-friends/id1669118794

- And follow her on IG here: https://www.instagram.com/drtaniaisrael/?hl=en

Aug 21, 202301:07:21
141. Scary Vacation Voices

141. Scary Vacation Voices

Happy Monday, Listeners, and welcome back to the pod! On this week's show, Karen and Katie catch up on the past 3 weeks, discuss the Lizzo controversy, and get INTO it on how unwanted thoughts can creep in while on vacation.

Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Aug 14, 202352:25
140. 'Barbie' Review w/Ginger Buddha!

140. 'Barbie' Review w/Ginger Buddha!

OMGGGGGG! Listeners, you are in for a treat today. On this week's show, Karen and Katie chat with the one and only GINGER BUDDHA about what she thought of the 'Barbie' movie. The energy she brings to this conversation is incredible - it is something you will NOT want to miss.

In addition to that fabulous convo, Karen and Katie chat about their upcoming weeks (we will be taking a summer disco nap and will be back Aug. 14), and about how they are now celebrating the THIRD ANNIVERSARY of this pod - truly amazing :)

Thank you for listening!

Resources from today's show:

- Check out this amazing piece by The 19th: https://19thnews.org/2023/07/barbie-classic-material-girl-represent-more/

- And make sure to read these stories about Ruth Handler, the creator of Barbie:

*https://www.fastcompany.com/90924947/who-created-barbie-dolls-ruth-handler-mattel-sexism-media-history

*https://mashable.com/feature/barbie-diverse-inclusive

*https://www.thedailybeast.com/barbie-like-her-creator-ruth-handler-is-a-feminist


Jul 24, 202339:10
139. Is Barbie a Feminist Icon?

139. Is Barbie a Feminist Icon?

What a question!! Hello Listeners, and welcome to another fabulous installment of the pod! On today's show, Karen and Katie discuss Karen's incredible birthday, Katie's trip to wine country and pose the question: is Barbie a feminist icon?

Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Jul 17, 202331:02
138. Mid-Year Review

138. Mid-Year Review

Hello Lovely Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about Karen's upcoming birthday (July 12!!) and how they feel now 1/2 way through 2023.

We hope you enjoy - thanks for listening!


Jul 10, 202329:14
137. Identifying What You Want (& Don't Want) When You're Struggling

137. Identifying What You Want (& Don't Want) When You're Struggling

Happy Monday, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie discuss how to think about telling the people around them what they need and don't need when times get tough.

Thanks for listening!


Jul 03, 202317:22
136. 'Happening To Summer'

136. 'Happening To Summer'

Happy Summer, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about how summer has been going for them so far and how they can both getting a little overwhelmed at all the things available when the weather is nice. The pair pose the question: 'What kind of summer person are you?' Also discussed: how Katie was invited into a harem and how Karen is getting invited to parties just a few weeks after moving to Indy.


Thanks for listening - enjoy!

Jun 26, 202339:55
135. Courage
Jun 12, 202358:33
134. Embracing Fun

134. Embracing Fun

Happy Monday, Gorgeous Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about how we can all sometimes get too wrapped up in 'adulting' and forget to have fun for fun's sake. The pair discuss things they recently did that were 100% fun and how that helped enhance their lives.

Enjoy - thanks for listening!


Jun 05, 202312:34
133. Your Passion Is Reason Enough

133. Your Passion Is Reason Enough

Happy Memorial Day, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about following your creative passions, whatever they may be.


Enjoy!

May 29, 202315:21
132. Who Are You? (And How Does That Change Over Time?)

132. Who Are You? (And How Does That Change Over Time?)

Happy Monday, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about identity and how it can shift over time and how they feel about it.

Enjoy!

May 22, 202318:16
131. What Do You Need Right Now?

131. What Do You Need Right Now?

Hello, Gorgeous Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie ask the crucial question: 'What do you need right now?' and encourage all of you to do the same.

We hope you enjoy - thanks for listening! xo

May 15, 202315:06
130. The Beauty Of Dropping The Ball

130. The Beauty Of Dropping The Ball

Happy Monday, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie talk about how many of us feel we have to do it all for others. And how rethinking that notion can be super helpful to our lives.
Thanks for listening!
May 08, 202331:38
129. Owning Our Shit

129. Owning Our Shit

Happy Monday, Lovely Listeners! Thanks for tuning in. On today's show, Karen and Katie discuss how it feels to own our shit. The duo discusses multiple situations when shit-owning was essential and the lessons they've learned along the way. Stay until the end for a mic drop of a piece of advice for getting through tense situations with those you care about.


See you next week! xo


May 01, 202316:43
128. Eight(ish)-Minute MINI POD: Manifesting Celebrity Guests

128. Eight(ish)-Minute MINI POD: Manifesting Celebrity Guests

Hello Gorgeous Listeners and welcome back to another fabulous episode! On today's show, Karen and Katie discuss the celebrities they are calling into being guests on the show. We are putting it into the universe!
We hope you enjoy today's episode - thanks for listening!
xo
Apr 24, 202320:57
127. Spring Grab Bag

127. Spring Grab Bag

Welcome back to another thrilling installment of the pod, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie chat about spring fever, their hobbies right now, and the shows they are most excited about at the moment.

Thanks for listening - we hope you enjoy!

xo


Apr 17, 202337:53
126. Special Episode #2: Katie's Truth, Post-Surgery

126. Special Episode #2: Katie's Truth, Post-Surgery

Get ready for a follow-up to last week's episode! Thanks for listening, Friends! xo

Apr 10, 202301:04:47
125. Special Episode: Katie's Truth, Pre-Surgery

125. Special Episode: Katie's Truth, Pre-Surgery

Welcome to a very special episode, Friends. This one is hard to explain in words - you'll just have to listen. 

xoxo


Apr 03, 202344:03
124. MINI POD: Decluttering: No, For Real, You Don’t Need It

124. MINI POD: Decluttering: No, For Real, You Don’t Need It

Happy Monday, Friends! On today's mini pod, Karen and Katie chat about Swedish Death Cleaning (WUT?!), and the thoughts/feelings that go into excavating old boxes of shit.
Mar 20, 202319:12
123. MINI POD: Private Lives

123. MINI POD: Private Lives

Hello, Lovely Listeners! On today's mini pod, Karen and Katie discuss how it can be super healthy to have a private life that you share with no one (not your closest friends/partners/family).
Enjoy!

We hope you enjoy this one - thanks for listening!
xo
Mar 13, 202310:55
122. MINI POD: Say The Weird Thing

122. MINI POD: Say The Weird Thing

Happy Monday, Gorgeous Listeners! Today's show is another mini pod where Karen and Katie are chatting about fabulous things. This week they are talking about how saying the weird thing in conversation can open the doors for connection. 

Enjoy!

xo

Mar 06, 202309:27
121. MINI POD: Connection Overload

121. MINI POD: Connection Overload

Hello Beautiful Listeners, and welcome to a fun mini pod! On this week's show, Karen and Katie are talking about the SO MANY WAYS that we can connect with each other these days. (Read: too many ways.) 

We hope this inspires you to take a technology break (if you so feel called) - thanks for listening!

xo

Feb 27, 202309:21
120. Vulnerability & Overwhelm w/Dr. Tania Israel

120. Vulnerability & Overwhelm w/Dr. Tania Israel

Welcome to a very exciting episode, Listeners! On today's show, Karen and Katie welcome back the incredible Dr. Tania Israel for a far-reaching conversation that covers topics ranging from vulnerability to podcasts to charts and graphs to boundaries to how to handle overwhelm. It feels like the trio enters a portal in this one - it is not to be missed!

Enjoy!

Check out: 

- Tania's new podcast: 'Dr. Waffle and Friends' https://doctorwaffle.substack.com/podcast

- Elizabeth Gilbert's episode on 'We Can Do Hard Things' https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/liz-gilbert-shares-the-whole-story-for-the-first-time/id1564530722?i=1000560200290

Feb 20, 202352:51
119. Second Annual Galentine's Day w/Ginger Buddha!

119. Second Annual Galentine's Day w/Ginger Buddha!

Welcome back listeners to a super exciting GALENTINE'S DAY episode of the pod! On today's show, Karen and Katie welcome back GINGER BUDDHA (a.k.a. Tori) to the show. This is our second annual Galentine's Day episode, so exciting! The trio gets INTO it talking about all things friendship. 

We hope you enjoy - thanks for listening!

xo

Feb 13, 202357:57
118. Rapid-Fire Friend Q&A

118. Rapid-Fire Friend Q&A

Welcome back, listeners, to another fabulous episode of the pod! This one is a palate cleanser (i.e. where we don't talk about anything too serious.) :)

On today's show, Karen and Katie ask each other surprise questions. 

Enjoy!

*If you want to ask your friends some of these questions (and many more - there are 75 to choose from) - check out this link: https://www.today.com/life/relationships/questions-to-ask-friends-rcna64115


Feb 06, 202350:48