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Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education, a Podcast for Music Teachers

Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education, a Podcast for Music Teachers

By Theresa Hoover and Kathryn Finch, Music Educators

Welcome to Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education! Kathryn Finch and Theresa Hoover are two music educators passionate about helping teachers transform their students from passive consumers to vibrant creatives. Each episode will amplify the voices of music teachers who are already passing the baton and empowering their own music students. Whether you teach band, orchestra, general music, chorus, or future music teachers - there’s an episode for you!
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Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education, a Podcast for Music TeachersOct 31, 2021

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Episode 67 - Unlock Student Potential: Transforming Assessments in Music Education, featuring Angela Harman

Episode 67 - Unlock Student Potential: Transforming Assessments in Music Education, featuring Angela Harman

In Episode 67, the conversation centers on transformative approaches to student assessments. Angela Harman shares her journey from traditional to student-driven assessments, which involve students in both self-assessment and peer feedback processes. This method not only makes assessments more meaningful and manageable but also fosters a supportive learning environment where students are encouraged to be active participants in their own learning journey. The interview emphasizes practical strategies that music teachers can apply to shift the focus from mere grading to genuine student growth and learning progress.


Angela’s approach reflects a significant shift in educational practices, promoting student autonomy and a collaborative classroom atmosphere. These methods are not just about easing the teacher's burden but are crucial in helping students develop independence and critical skills necessary for their musical and personal development. The interview is rich with insights and real-life applications that are relevant to music educators looking to enhance their teaching methods and student engagement.


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Apr 15, 202437:03
Episode 66 - Creativity, Ownership, and Expression: Exploring Songwriting in Music Class, with Alex Adams (Part 2)

Episode 66 - Creativity, Ownership, and Expression: Exploring Songwriting in Music Class, with Alex Adams (Part 2)

In Episode 66, Kathryn and Theresa continue their discussion with Alex Adams about the transformative role of songwriting in music education. Building on the foundation laid in Episode 65, Alex offers a deeper exploration into how songwriting can be a powerful medium for students to connect their personal experiences with the academic study of music. He emphasizes the importance of creating a music education environment that resonates with the cultural and individual identities of students, making learning both relevant and impactful. Throughout the interview, Alex not only shares his experiences and insights but also provides valuable resources and teaching strategies that educators can utilize to integrate songwriting into their curriculum. These resources aim to empower teachers to facilitate a more inclusive and expressive classroom, where students can harness their creativity to construct meaningful musical expressions. Alex’s narrative encapsulates a comprehensive view of music education, advocating for an approach that nurtures creativity, personal expression, and cultural inclusivity through the art of songwriting.

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Apr 01, 202436:45
Episode 65 - Creativity, Ownership, and Expression: Exploring Songwriting in Music Class, with Alex Adams

Episode 65 - Creativity, Ownership, and Expression: Exploring Songwriting in Music Class, with Alex Adams

In Episode 65, Kathryn and Theresa dive into the first part of an enlightening interview with Alex Adams, a seasoned music teacher with 15 years of experience in both private studio and public school teaching. Alex shares his unique journey from teaching in Maine to becoming a teaching artist with the Documentary Songwriters organization, and his current role as a graduate student at Arizona State University. He discusses the significance of integrating songwriting into music education, emphasizing the empowerment it brings to students by allowing them to express their personal experiences and imaginations through music. Alex highlights the importance of seeing oneself in the music curriculum, the role of creative freedom in songwriting, and the impact of music on building community and cultural understanding. He also addresses common misconceptions about songwriting and the importance of setting appropriate goals and expectations for students' creative outputs. Stay tuned for the second part of this insightful interview, where we'll continue exploring the transformative power of songwriting in education.

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Mar 18, 202440:18
Episode 64 - 4 Mistakes to Avoid When Fostering Student Ownership

Episode 64 - 4 Mistakes to Avoid When Fostering Student Ownership

In Episode 64, Kathryn and Theresa delve into the common pitfalls educators face in music education, emphasizing the importance of student ownership and engagement. The discussion navigates through the essential strategies for avoiding four key mistakes that can stifle student creativity and initiative. From the nuances of genuinely listening to student voices to the intricate balance of guiding creative activities, this episode serves as a beacon for educators striving to foster a more inclusive and dynamic learning environment. The insights shared are not only thought-provoking but also practical, offering listeners a roadmap to empower their students and transform the classroom into a hub of innovation and self-expression. Tune in to unravel the secrets to unlocking your students' potential and igniting their passion for music education. 

Other interviews mentioned in this episode: 

  • Episode 53, with Shane Colquhoun 
  • Episode 3, with Laura Johnson
  • Episode 13, with Sonya Knussen 
  • Episode 14, with Robby Burns
  • Episode 27, with Scott Edgar

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Mar 04, 202433:37
Episode 63 - Recruiting in the Music Room: Putting Students at the Heart of the Process, with Angela Ammerman

Episode 63 - Recruiting in the Music Room: Putting Students at the Heart of the Process, with Angela Ammerman

In episode 63, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Angela Ammerman, a music educator in Northern Virginia. Angela discusses innovative recruitment strategies for music programs, emphasizing the critical role of student and community involvement in building and sustaining vibrant music education environments. Highlighting her own experiences and insights from her book, "The Music Teachers Guide to Recruitment and Retention," Angela shares effective tactics such as utilizing student-led concerts, leveraging favorite teachers to attract more students, and creating visual enrollment goals to motivate and engage current students in the recruitment process.


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Feb 19, 202451:01
Episode 62 - The Kids Come First: Student Ownership in Ensembles, featuring Kathleen Jacoby

Episode 62 - The Kids Come First: Student Ownership in Ensembles, featuring Kathleen Jacoby

In Episode 62, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Kathleen Jacoby, a high school band director in Fairfax, Virginia. Kathleen’s teaching philosophy revolves around student ownership and engagement in the music program, drawing from her own experiences in a small band program where every member's contribution was vital. She shares innovative strategies she employs to involve students in decision-making processes, such as selecting pieces and contributing to rehearsal methods. The interview delves into her approach to empowering students by fostering a sense of community, responsibility, and critical listening skills. Kathleen’s methods aim to develop not just musical skills but also life skills like leadership, collaboration, and independent thinking. She is dedicated to making music education a transformative experience for students, ensuring that it contributes positively to their overall growth and development.

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Feb 05, 202452:44
Episode 61 - Empowering Tomorrow's Musicians: Innovation in Music Education, with Rob Pethel

Episode 61 - Empowering Tomorrow's Musicians: Innovation in Music Education, with Rob Pethel

In episode 61, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Dr. Rob Pethel, an innovative music educator with a passion for guitar and virtual teaching. Rob talks about the importance of embracing change and innovation in music education, shedding light on his approach to keeping students engaged and motivated in a virtual environment. He discusses methods for fostering a creative and productive learning space, highlighting the critical role of technology in modern music education. Rob also shares practical insights on how educators can empower themselves and their students through individualized learning paths, technology integration, and a focus on mental and spiritual well-being. This episode not only explores the dynamics of virtual music teaching but also provides valuable perspectives for educators on adapting to and thriving in the evolving educational landscape. Rob’s experiences and strategies offer a roadmap for educators looking to navigate the new era of music education with confidence and creativity.

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Jan 22, 202447:39
Episode 60 - Empowering Music Educators Through Self-Initiated Professional Development
Jan 08, 202441:08
Episode 59 - Perspectives on Student Empowerment in Music Education

Episode 59 - Perspectives on Student Empowerment in Music Education

In Episode 59, Kathryn and Theresa engage in a conversation exploring the intersection of music education, student empowerment, and research! Theresa, a PhD student at Arizona State University, delves into her research project that analyzes themes from the Pass the Baton podcast, particularly focusing on secondary music education. 

The discussion reveals key findings: music teachers strive for their students to become independent musicians and learners by focusing on individual needs and creating a nurturing classroom environment. This encompasses fostering lifelong musicianship, encouraging creative thinking, and developing critical life skills. The conversation also touches on the nuanced use of language in education, the evolution of teaching practices, and the importance of creating conditions for student empowerment rather than merely bestowing it. Theresa's research underscores the significance of student agency and personalized learning, providing valuable perspectives for anyone involved in educational practices.


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Dec 04, 202330:37
Episode 58 - Spotlight on Genius Hour in the Elementary Music Room

Episode 58 - Spotlight on Genius Hour in the Elementary Music Room

In Episode 58, Kathryn and Theresa interview Jamie Widener, a music educator passionate about incorporating Genius Hour in her elementary music classes. The episode focuses on Jamie's approach to engaging students by allowing them to pursue music-related passion projects, inspired by Google's strategy of allowing employees to dedicate 20% of their work time to personal projects. Jamie discusses the practical aspects of implementing Genius Hour in the music classroom, including project selection, time management, and fostering creativity and autonomy among students. This method has been successful in engaging students by allowing them to explore topics they are passionate about, leading to diverse projects like instrument building and experimenting with different musical genres. The episode emphasizes the importance of student choice and empowerment in education, highlighting the benefits of Genius Hour in developing not only musical skills but also soft skills like collaboration, research, and presentation.


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Nov 20, 202327:48
Episode 57 - Nurturing Inquisitive Minds in Young Musicians

Episode 57 - Nurturing Inquisitive Minds in Young Musicians

In episode 57, Kathryn and Theresa talk to SJ, a music educator originally from India, now teaching in Dubai. In this interview, SJ discusses his approach to teaching music to early and primary year students. He emphasizes the importance of using the voice as a primary instrument in the classroom and reflects on his transition from a traditional, teacher-centered approach to a more inquiry-based, student-centered style. SJ advocates for creating a learning environment that sparks curiosity and allows students to explore and engage deeply with music. He shares insights on the significance of adapting lessons to meet the diverse needs and interests of students, highlighting the need for flexibility and the power of involving students in the planning process to foster a sense of empowerment and ownership in their learning journey.


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Nov 06, 202335:14
Episode 56 - Straight Talk on Student-Centered Music Classes
Oct 23, 202351:23
Episode 55 - Assessment for Learning: Nurturing Growth and Progress in Every Student

Episode 55 - Assessment for Learning: Nurturing Growth and Progress in Every Student

In episode 55, Kathryn and Theresa sit down with Terry Little, a veteran music educator with over three decades of experience. Terry delves deep into the concept of "assessment for learning," emphasizing its role in making the educational process more student-centered. Instead of traditional grading methods, this approach involves students actively in their assessment, allowing them to produce tangible evidence of their learning journey. This evidence enables students to self-assess, set learning goals, and monitor their progress. Terry also touches on the importance of purpose in learning, ensuring students understand the "why" behind their tasks. Throughout the interview, Terry underscores the significance of integrating assessments into the learning process, fostering greater student engagement, motivation, and understanding of their growth.


Connect with Terry:

  • littlet@elmbrookschools.org


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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton⁠⁠⁠.

You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.


Oct 09, 202340:04
Episode 54 - Exploring Servant Leadership in Music Education

Episode 54 - Exploring Servant Leadership in Music Education

In episode 54, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Dr. Dylan Maddix, an Assistant Professor of Instrumental Conducting and Community Engagement at Memorial University, as he shares his extensive journey in music education and his insights on the transformative power of servant leadership within this realm. Dylan delves into his experiences with various educators and how they shaped his perspective on leadership and teaching. He discusses the profound impact of servant leadership, a concept formalized by Robert K. Greenleaf in the 1970s, emphasizing its role in fostering meaningful relationships and focusing on the well-being of students. Dylan’s reflections, coupled with his research involving interviews with several conductors and educators, underscore the importance of leading with love and empathy in music education, aiming to create a more positive and holistic learning environment for students.

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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: ⁠⁠https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton⁠⁠.

You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Sep 25, 202301:01:23
Episode 53 - The Most Important Question You Can Ask in Music Education

Episode 53 - The Most Important Question You Can Ask in Music Education

In episode 53, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Dr. Shane Calhoun, an assistant professor of music technology and contemporary styles at Alabama State University. Shane discusses the importance of rethinking traditional approaches to music education by challenging the notion of "music education for all," arguing that current programs often cater only to students with specific musical interests, such as classical instruments, while neglecting those interested in contemporary or popular music. He advocates for a more student-centered approach, where educators ask students what they want to learn and tailor the curriculum accordingly. Shane also emphasizes the need to train future teachers to be open to different forms of musicianship and to be willing to adapt their methods to better serve a diverse student body. 


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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: ⁠⁠https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton⁠⁠.

You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Sep 11, 202345:55
Episode 52 - Unleashing Our Impact: Empowering Music Educators

Episode 52 - Unleashing Our Impact: Empowering Music Educators

In episode 52, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Jen Rafferty, a former music educator and the founder of the Empowered Educator. Jen discusses the importance of educators taking care of themselves to create a positive impact on students. By prioritizing self-care and practicing breathing exercises, teachers can regulate their nervous systems and make better decisions. Jen advocates for shifting the narrative from selflessness and martyrdom to empowering educators, as their well-being directly affects student success. Modeling healthy behaviors for students can create a positive learning environment and foster emotional awareness and resilience in young learners.

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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: ⁠https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton⁠.

You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Aug 28, 202343:16
Episode 51 - Harmony and Connection: Leveraging SEL in Music Education

Episode 51 - Harmony and Connection: Leveraging SEL in Music Education

In episode 51, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Elizabeth Peterson, a 25-year veteran teacher from New Hampshire.  Elizabeth discusses the importance of social and emotional learning (SEL) in the music classroom, especially in relation to building strong teacher-student relationships and fostering student empowerment. She emphasizes the significance of SEL in helping students become more emotionally aware and socially competent, and offers strategies to help music teachers promote SEL concepts. These not only enhance students' musical abilities but also help develop empathy, communication, and emotional understanding among them, creating a safe and caring learning environment. Elizabeth shares that proactive and explicit SEL practices can foster a sense of empowerment and engagement among students, making them more enthusiastic about their learning experiences.


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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton.

You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Aug 14, 202340:13
Episode 50: Until Next Time: Wrapping Up Season 2
Jun 05, 202347:43
Episode 49: Orpheus in Action: A Student-Led Experience
May 22, 202337:07
Episode 48: Exploring Music Composition to Spark Student Creativity
May 08, 202339:19
Episode 47: A Collaborative Journey Toward Shared Values in Music Education
Apr 24, 202343:60
Episode 46: Student Agency Through Game-Based Practices
Apr 10, 202354:23
Episode 45: Creating the Collective Power
Mar 27, 202340:10
Episode 44: Empowering Students With Empathy Projects

Episode 44: Empowering Students With Empathy Projects

Feb 27, 202328:29
Episode 43: Why Everyone Should Take Time to Reflect
Feb 13, 202334:02
Episode 42: Scaffolding Peer Feedback for Student Ownership
Jan 30, 202345:46
Episode 41: Empower Students to Practice With Purpose
Jan 16, 202339:03
Episode 40: Season 2 Mid-year Highlights
Dec 19, 202239:11
Episode 39: Student-Created Games for Student-Centered Learning
Dec 05, 202233:33
Episode 38: Amateurism in Music Education
Nov 21, 202234:37
Episode 37: Creative Thinking in Music
Nov 07, 202234:58
Episode 36: How Student Agency Can Transform an Ensemble
Oct 24, 202251:32
Episode 35: Empowered Educators Will Empower Their Students
Oct 10, 202247:45
Episode 34: Empowering ALL students using Universal Design for Learning
Sep 26, 202241:06
Episode 33: Fostering Independent Musicians
Sep 12, 202252:22
Episode 32: Creativity With a Student First Mindset, featuring Jodi Blackshaw
Aug 29, 202201:09:46
Episode 31: Creating a Culture for Student Empowerment, featuring Matthew Arau
Aug 15, 202254:25
Episode 30: Recap and Highlights

Episode 30: Recap and Highlights

This week, Kathryn and Theresa recap their school years and discuss some common themes from this season of the Pass the Baton podcast.  Some of the highlights include: 


What's next for Pass the Baton?  

Season 2 will begin in the fall 2022.  

This summer we're offering the first ever Cohort for the Empowering All Music Students course! Find more information (including a coupon code!) here: https://passthebatonbook.com/summer-cohort/

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Jun 20, 202220:29
Episode 29: Using Technology to Promote Student Ownership
Jun 13, 202246:55
Episode 28: The Connection Between Culturally Responsive Teaching and Student Ownership
May 30, 202229:08
Episode 27 - The Connection Between SEL and Student Empowerment, featuring Scott Edgar

Episode 27 - The Connection Between SEL and Student Empowerment, featuring Scott Edgar

This week’s interview was a real treat, as Kathryn and Theresa spoke with Dr. Scott Edgar about a very important topic: social emotional learning (SEL). Scott is an associate professor of music at Lake Forest College and also the department chair. He began his career teaching K-12 music in Dayton, Ohio before earning a PhD from the University of Michigan. It was there he developed an interest in SEL. Besides teaching at Lake Forest, Scott is also Director of Practice and Research for the Center for Arts Education and Social Emotional Learning.

If you are interested in learning more about Scott and his work in social emotional learning, check out these resources:


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May 16, 202237:30
Episode 26: Student Ownership Through Active Thinking
May 02, 202235:00
Episode 25: The Power of a Mission Statement
Apr 18, 202246:43
Episode 24: Empowering English Language Learners in Music
Apr 04, 202240:04
Episode 23: Empowerment in the Standards

Episode 23: Empowerment in the Standards

This week Kathryn and Theresa had the pleasure of interviewing NAfME president-elect, Scott Sheehan! In addition to his NAfME responsibilities, Scott is the high school band director and K-12 music department chair in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania. He is involved with PMEA, working with their Leadership Academy and the Model Curriculum Framework project. Scott is also a Conn-Selmer educational clinician. Along with his varied roles and teaching experiences, Scott is very knowledgeable about the national music standards launched in 2014. He even worked on one of the revision teams, providing feedback on the performance track before the standards were officially released.

In this interview, Scott shared some great information about the standards, including:

  • The creation and adoption of the 2014 National Core Arts Standards and how, as process-driven standards, they differ from the 1994 standards
  • How these standards support student empowerment
  • How to look at the verbs within the standards to understand where to start
  • What it looks like in the classroom
  • Where to start when incorporating the standards more in lesson plans

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Mar 21, 202241:07
Episode 22: The Value of Creativity in Young Ensemble

Episode 22: The Value of Creativity in Young Ensemble

This week’s interview features Matt Clauhs, an associate professor of Music Education at Ithaca College. Matt’s background includes degrees at Penn State University (B.S.), the University of Massachusetts, Amherst (M.M.) and Temple University (Ph.D.), as well as experience teaching band students at both the elementary and high school levels. As a jazz saxophone player, Matt has always been interested in incorporating creativity and improvisation in all areas of music education, not just jazz studies. Not only is it a positive and rewarding experience for students, creativity and artistic literacy are part of our national music standards.

In this interview, Matt talked to us about a variety of topics, including

  • How he starts beginning band students without method books or even music stands,
  • Some quick, yet effective, creative strategies directors can incorporate in any rehearsal or lesson,
  • How creativity benefits music students, and why we should work to cultivate amateur musicians,
  • His advice to teachers looking to include more creativity in their rehearsals.

Be sure to check out the full interview to learn more about how Matt infuses creativity and improvisation in his ensembles, along with some great anecdotes and inspiration! Creativity in Young Ensembles

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Mar 07, 202232:31
Episode 21: Making the Shift Toward Empowerment
Feb 21, 202232:31
Episode 20: A Student-Centered Approach to Secondary General Music
Feb 07, 202227:52
Episode 19: A Performance Planned By Students
Jan 24, 202231:24
Episode 18: The Student-Centered Modern Band
Jan 10, 202224:28