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EdUp Legal - The Legal Education Podcast

EdUp Legal - The Legal Education Podcast

By Patty Roberts

Legal education is experiencing large swings in applications; a call for innovation & adaptation; demand for increased diversification of the profession; & cries for social justice impact & protection of the Rule of Law. Host Patty Roberts, Dean of St. Mary's University School of Law, will discuss innovations in legal education and predictions for its future in conversations with thought leaders and law school deans; guests will provide insight to those considering, and attending, law school, & members of the profession interested in its evolution. www.edupexperience.com
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28. Conversation with Dean Marcilynn A. Burke, Oregon School of Law

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75. Conversation with Camille Davidson, Dean and Professor of Law at Southern Illinois University School of Law
75. Conversation with Camille Davidson, Dean and Professor of Law at Southern Illinois University School of Law
In today’s episode, we welcome Camille M. Davidson, Dean, and Professor of Law at Southern Illinois University School of Law. Dean Davidson started as Dean amid the pandemic after serving as a judicial hearing officer for the State of North Carolina and as a tenured law professor and associate dean of academic affairs in faculty development in Charlotte, North Carolina. This year Southern Illinois University School of Law, founded in the public interest to serve the public good, celebrates its 50th anniversary. Dean Davidson tells us that as part of the celebration, the school will host activities for the next 12 months, culminating with a gala in the spring of 2023. Dean Davidson shares with us that, as part of the celebration, they have showcased and celebrated the 166 alums that are serving or have served in the judiciary in a wall of judges. Dean Davidson shares with us how she moved into legal academia, what prompted her to apply to be a dean, and how her experience has served her in being a dean. She gives us an insight into her priorities when she started her deanship, such as branding, diversity, and building a pipeline of students interested in law practice, and how those priorities have transpired throughout her deanship. Along with her priorities, she tells us about the joint JD and MD program they have at SIU and the courses she teaches. Dean Davidson also shares her predictions for legal education in the upcoming decade. She tells us that she thinks we will see more schools going hybrid and online. She also tells us that legal education will have to figure out how to deliver in non-traditional ways while adjusting to the need to learn on the job and adapt to the next generation bar. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
29:56
November 17, 2022
74. Conversation with Professor Ashley Krenelka Chase, Stetson University College of Law
74. Conversation with Professor Ashley Krenelka Chase, Stetson University College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today’s episode, we welcome Ashley Krenelka Chase, assistant professor of Law at Stetson University College of Law. At Stetson Law, she has taught legal research and writing and advanced research and technology courses. Before becoming a professor, she was the associate director of the law library and coordinator of legal practice technology. Professor Chase shares with us how she transitioned from serving in leadership in the library at Stetson to teaching on the tenure track, a move which she considered during the pandemic, so she could fulfill her desire to be able to interact more with students. Professor Chase gives us insight into articles she has written that focus on prisoners and their access to justice through the research and technology that they have available. She tells us what excites her and troubles her about the topic and shares her suggestions for aiding prisoners in their access to justice. She tells us that there is a significant problem with access to information, a constitutional right for incarcerated individuals. She also discusses her latest book, Millennial Leadership in Law Schools: Essays in Disruption, Innovation, and the Future, which talks about the role millennials will play in shaping the future of legal education. Professor Chase shares how her students deal with the technology she has implemented in the curriculum to be more reflective of the technology used in the profession. She gives us some tips on some of the technology that is helpful to students and their future careers in the profession. Professor Chase shares her predictions for the future of legal education and her opinion that people and places should not be reduced to rankings, as that ultimately is harmful to the Academy and the legal profession.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:10
November 09, 2022
73. Conversation with Madeleine Landrieu, Dean of Loyola University New Orleans College of Law
73. Conversation with Madeleine Landrieu, Dean of Loyola University New Orleans College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today's episode, we welcome Madeleine Landrieu, Dean and Judge Adrian G. Duplantier, Distinguished Professor of Law at Loyola University New Orleans, College of Law, a position she has held since 2017. Dean Landrieu shares some differences in teaching Common Law and Civil Law in New Orleans, and notes that although Civil Law is limited to Louisiana in the United States, it is practiced worldwide. Dean Landrieu shares with us her experience in private practice and serving 16 years on the bench, and how those experiences and her family's legacy led her to the deanship at her alma mater. She compares the roles of appellate court judge and being a dean of a law school, and how she continues to help educate jurists. Dean Landrieu explains the impetus for, and impact of, the Nancy Marsiglia Institute of Justice, which strives to expand knowledge about the law by teaching the constitution to lay people to reclaim civil discourse. She hopes that the Institute will become a model for law schools nationally. She also tells us about Loyola's experience working with law enforcement to provide training in tools that aid public safety, and her role as Chair of the ABA's Legal Education Police Practices Consortium, a consortium of 60 law schools, including St. Mary's University School of Law. Lastly, she shares with us her thoughts regarding the evolution of legal education in the coming decade, and her hopes that legal education stays predominantly in-person, particularly when it comes to community and relationship building, with the use of hybrid models to enhance and enrich those in-person experiences. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:55
October 06, 2022
72. Conversation with TaWanda Stallworth, Dermot Groome and Anu Gupta from the Antiracist Development Institute Penn State Dickinson Law
72. Conversation with TaWanda Stallworth, Dermot Groome and Anu Gupta from the Antiracist Development Institute Penn State Dickinson Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today's episode, we welcome three guests to discuss Penn State Dickinson Law's leadership and antiracist education: TaWanda H. Stallworth, MDiv, program manager for the Antiracist Development Institute, Professor Dermot Groome, and Anu Gupta, founder and CEO of Be More and a systems designer for the Antiracist Development Institute. The Antiracist Development Institute came out of several Penn State Law faculty resolutions that included adopting an antiracist approach to legal education in June 2020. The Institute built on the foundational work of Dean Conway and four Black women Dean colleagues who started the Law Dean's Antiracist Clearinghouse Project in 2020. Listen as she discusses the Clearinghouse and the Institute in detail in episode 57. Professor Groome explains why the faculty decided to create a race and equal protection in the law course and explains its development and implementation. Program Manager Stallworth tells us about the new initiative of a multi-volume series called building an Antiracist Law School, Legal Academy, and Legal Profession. She shares with us the vast collaboration behind the multi-volume series and the support it has received within and outside the academy. Systems designer Anu Gupta shares how thinking about racism as a system's problem that needs system solutions will help inspire more comprehensive reform. They share the development of course content and the multi-volume series, which helps form and shape the course content. They tell us that the goal of antiracism is a world where all of us are equal and can belong with dignity and humanity. To get involved, check out their website. In the end, they share their predictions for the future of legal education in the coming decade. Professor Groome tells us the importance of teaching students about racism in the legal system. Program Manager Stallworth tells us she anticipates that more people will learn about the problems associated with questioning the merits of Black women. Finally, systems designer Gupta shares his vision for the future of legal education and how antiracism will be discussed beyond issues involving race and equal protection of the law, and integrated in the more traditional courses such as corporations, torts, and contracts. Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
37:44
September 28, 2022
71. Conversation with Brian Gallini, Dean of Willamette College of Law
71. Conversation with Brian Gallini, Dean of Willamette College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today's episode, we welcome Brian Gallini, the Dean of Willamette University College of Law in Salem, Oregon, a position he has held since 2020. He shares his experience becoming a dean during the pandemic and his transition from the University of Arkansas. Dean Gallini tells us that he was attracted by Willamette's innovation, nimbleness, and flexibility, which match his leadership philosophy. He describes Willamette's partnerships with different institutions that focus on providing a mentorship-based approach for admission. He also shares his ideas for alternative licensing and how he and others have been diligently working to explore alternative pathways in Oregon. He shares how members from all three Oregon Law Schools and other members of the Bench and Bar have come together to explore the possibilities that might make sense for Oregon. From this exploration, two things emerged, the Oregon experiential pathway and the supervised practice pathway, which he tells us are in the conceptual phase. Further, he shares how working as a hockey coach with the University of Pennsylvania and Arkansas for over a decade has impacted his dean's leadership, and he recounts some of those valuable lessons. Lastly, he shares his prediction for the evolution of legal education in the upcoming decade. He tells us that his aspirational vision is that ten years from now, there is an empirically accepted definition for minimum competence that outlines with transparency and clarity the measurable skills for newly licensed lawyers. He also tells us that he hopes for a better connection between legal education and skills training. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
29:24
September 16, 2022
70. Conversation with David Thomson, Professor of Practice and John C. Dwan Professor of Online Learning, Sturm College of Law at the University of Denver
70. Conversation with David Thomson, Professor of Practice and John C. Dwan Professor of Online Learning, Sturm College of Law at the University of Denver
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today’s episode, we welcome David Thomson, the John C. Dwan Professor of Online Learning at Sturm College of Law at the University of Denver. Professor Thomson tells us about his new book—The Way Forward for Legal Education. In his book, he suggests several proposals that include abandoning the LSAT and instead developing new admission criteria, with more of a focus on teaching justice and service. Other suggestions he mentions are allowing admission to a larger cohort, adding something akin to California's Baby Bar at the conclusion of the 1L year, and greater integration and expansion of experiential learning throughout the curriculum. Professor Thomson also shares his weekly newsletter, called the Chalk Board Life, which he started amid the pandemic. He shares in his newsletter reflections on the core of teaching and how to preserve the heart in teaching regardless of the delivery method. He also tells us about the upcoming conference he and his colleagues are hosting in Denver, the Hybrid and Online Learning Pedagogy Conference, which will take place September 22-24, 2022, at Sturm College of Law in Denver. He shares with us how the conference came to be and what we can look forward to. Registration is still open. After sharing with us his vision for the future of legal education, Professor Thomson explains how he thinks legal education will change in the coming decade. He believes that the changes in legal education will happen at different speeds, at different places, based on various leadership and institutional incentives. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:13
September 12, 2022
69. Conversation with Aliza Shatzman, Esq., Co-founder of The Legal Accountability Project
69. Conversation with Aliza Shatzman, Esq., Co-founder of The Legal Accountability Project
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today’s episode, we welcome Aliza Shatzman, the president and co-founder of the Legal Accountability Project, a non-profit aimed at ensuring law clerks have positive clerkship experiences and helping support and extend resources to those who don’t. Aliza shares with us her experiences with gender discrimination, harassment, and retaliation while clerking in D.C., the revocation of her dream job, and the exemption that judges and clerks have from Title VII that led her to co-found the Legal Accountability project on June 1, 2022, with Matt Goodman. She shares with us the reception she is getting for her non-profit from the various stakeholders, such as judges, former clerks, current clerks, student leaders, and law schools. She tells us the two initiatives the Legal Accountability Project is working on in collaboration with law schools beginning in the fall. The first is a centralized reporting database that provides anonymous information on clerkships, and the second is a workplace assessment of the federal and state judiciaries. Finally, she shares her thoughts on the evolution of legal education and her predictions for the coming decade. She hopes that this year, 10 law schools will partner with the Legal Accountability Project on the database and that more will partner with them on the workplace assessment, 5-10 years down the road. On a broader scale, she hopes legal education is more responsive to student needs. Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
28:55
September 09, 2022
68. Conversation with Jennifer Gerarda Brown, Dean of Quinnipiac University School of Law
68. Conversation with Jennifer Gerarda Brown, Dean of Quinnipiac University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  In today's episode, we welcome Jennifer Gerarda Brown. She is Dean and Professor of Law of the Quinnipiac University School of Law, a position she has held since 2013. She has been on their faculty since 1994. Dean Brown shares with us her role when the pandemic hit and how she served as interim provost at Quinnipiac during this time. She got to see it all from the provost's office. Instead of dealing with the day-to-day, she dealt with everyone on the management committee of the University, an experience which informs some of her work in her dean role. She gives us an insight into what they are doing at Quinnipiac, such as a 24-hour retreat for students called Beginners Wisdom: Integrating Personal and Professional Values, an idea that came from students in the Fall of 2012. It is for all law students, and they invite staff and alumni. During this retreat, they meditate, talk about change, how people change in law school, and talk about isolation and loneliness. Dean Brown also tells us about the new 1L course at Quinnipiac to help address the professional identity formation requirements called Foundations of Practice, which is a course focused on how students sustain themselves during the first year of law school and how to set a good foundation for your legal education.  Dean Brown also talks with us about the initiatives the Human Trafficking Prevention Program is undertaking with students playing a significant role. She shares her predictions for the upcoming decade, including what role distance education is likely to play, and maintaining a significant in person program, especially in the first year when students struggle the most.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
39:21
August 25, 2022
67. Conversation with Elisabeth Steele, Educator, Coach and Instructor to Law Students, Faculty and Professionals
67. Conversation with Elisabeth Steele, Educator, Coach and Instructor to Law Students, Faculty and Professionals
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! We welcome Elisabeth Steele from the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa in today's episode. Elisabeth is a pedagogical coach and a virtual presence coach. She teaches effective online practices, involving classroom observations, face-to-face classes, meeting with students, conducting small group instructional diagnoses, and providing professional development to the instructors. Elisabeth shares with us her passion project that developed during the pandemic, which includes helping educators and attorneys to communicate more effectively on video. She shares with us some tips on things to think about when presenting or teaching online as far as visual appeal. She tells us that an excellent way to make sure people feel connected is by having good audio and being on brand with your message. You want your background to complete your message, so make sure you are the focus of your video and keep backgrounds in the background. She also shares with us about her focus on people of color exemplars, diversity in legal education, diversity among faculty, diversity generally, inclusiveness, and belonging, how it shows up in her work and how we can help it show up in our work. Finally, she shares with us how these changes will impact the evolution of legal education in the coming decade and the movement from a synchronous, remote lecture to educational experiences that are more interactive, which is a focus on recreating what a lot of law practice work looks like. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts  ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
36:10
August 17, 2022
66. Conversation with Antony Page, Dean of Florida International University College of Law
66. Conversation with Antony Page, Dean of Florida International University College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today’s episode, we welcome Dean Antony Page, the third dean of the Florida International University College of Law, a position he has held since the Summer of 2018. He shares with us his unconventional path to the deanship, his background as a professor, his public and private sector background, and how he served as a diplomat in the Canadian foreign service. Dean Page tells us about the diversity of FIU and how FIU is plurality Hispanic, majority minority not to mention that roughly half of the student population are the first in their family to have graduated from a four-year college, making them first-generation law students. He also shares with us the law path program, which started in the Summer of 2018, student wellness, and some secrets on FIU’s success in bar preparation and passage. Furthermore, Dean Page shares FIU’s international law commission fellowships, which he started with professor Charles Jalloh several years ago, where students are sent to serve as fellows or externs at the International Law Commission in Geneva. He discusses his predictions on legal education, which are a focus on skill, and a lot less memorizing doctrine. He also tells us that he would like to see changes in the regulators and more experimentation from their end. Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
43:44
August 10, 2022
65. Conversation with Karen Sneddon, Interim Dean and Professor at Law at Mercer University School of Law
65. Conversation with Karen Sneddon, Interim Dean and Professor at Law at Mercer University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading legal education podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today’s episode, we welcome Karen J. Sneddon, Interim Dean and Professor of Law of Mercer University School of Law in Macon, Georgia, a position she started in October 2021. Dean Sneddon, who has been a part of the faculty at Mercer since 2006, shares with us that in 2023 they will be celebrating their 150th anniversary.  Dean Sneddon tells us that part of Mercer’s commitment is preparing students for practice and preparing them to be strong writers. A writer is what Dean Sneddon believes best describes what a lawyer does. She tells us writing is part of our identity because we put ourselves on the page when we write. It is about thinking "I will make a difference with every word I choose to put on the page." It is to advance a position, make an argument, and make a difference, big or small. Dean Sneddon also shares with us her law review article Clause A to Clause Z: Narrative Transportation and the Transactional Reader, for which she received the 2020 Teresa G. Phelps Scholarship Award for Legal Communication. She shares with us the idea of making a transactional document more narrative, which makes it more engaging. Dean Sneddon also tells us some of the things Mercer is doing to prepare students for their career and how every student at Mercer majors in changing the world. Finally, she shares her thoughts on legal education in the upcoming decade and how there will be more of a connection to actual practice, experiential opportunities, and leadership training in the three years of law school. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:14
August 03, 2022
64. Conversation with Michael H. Bassett, Author and Senior Partner at the Bassett Law Firm
64. Conversation with Michael H. Bassett, Author and Senior Partner at the Bassett Law Firm
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  In today’s episode, we welcome a 1987 St. Mary's University School of Law alumni, Mike Bassett, a civil litigation attorney who has practiced law for nearly four decades. He is the founder of the Bassett Firm, a Dallas-based boutique law firm that has tried over 300 cases to verdict in motor vehicle accident, criminal defense, food-borne illness, non-subscriber employer liability and subrogation cases. He is also host of a podcast, Legal Grounds—Conversations on Life, Leadership, and the Law, and a published author of a very personal book, The Man in the Ditch—A Redemption Story for Today.  He tells us that being a lawyer is a vocation and shares with us what it is like to be a young lawyer in the Bassett Law firm, the essential doctrines in the profession, and the need to be a lifelong learner and to be comfortable with hard work. Mike shares his experience in law school and how he found his passion in the profession following graduation. His passion comes from helping and being there for his clients who end up in the ditch. He tells us that as lawyers, we need to understand that we cannot do this alone and must remember that we have a community all around us. We need to embrace the concept of forgiveness and compassion and be grounded in the idea of decency, particularly because we are blessed to have a legal education. Finally, he shares his thoughts about the evolution of legal education in the coming decade and the need to provide increased access to legal education, focusing on how to engage people remotely. He also shares the advice he would give to an incoming law school class, including the commitment to consistency and persistence needed to be successful.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:11
July 20, 2022
63. Conversation with Laura A. Rosenbury, Dean and Levin, Mabie & Levin Professor of Law at the University of Florida Levin College of Law
63. Conversation with Laura A. Rosenbury, Dean and Levin, Mabie & Levin Professor of Law at the University of Florida Levin College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today's episode, we welcome Laura A. Rosenbury. She is the Dean and Levin, Mabie & Levin Professor of Law at the University of Florida Levin College of Law, a position she has held since July 2015. Dean Rosenbury shares the remarkable progress Levin College of Law is making, including a 200% increase in applications, 31 new faculty members, fundraising exceeding $100 million in private funds, and having six of the most accomplished and diverse classes in the law school's 113-year history within the past seven years. Dean Rosenbury shares some of the quick changes she and her team made to generate more applications, improve contacts with employers, and increase alumni outreach. She also explains how outreach to over 1000 alumni led to their $100 million in funds, through both large and small gifts. All of the successes since 2016 have meant a jump for the Levin College of Law of 27 spots in the U.S. News rankings, placing them among the top 25 law schools in the nation. Dean Rosenbury predicts increased use of the internet to accelerate connections globally, and utilizing zoom to expose students to the diversity of legal practice, as likely to be part of the future of legal education.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:57
June 29, 2022
62. Conversation with Carla D. Pratt, Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher Chair in Civil Rights, Race, and Justice in the Law at OU Law, and former Dean at Washburn University School of Law
62. Conversation with Carla D. Pratt, Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher Chair in Civil Rights, Race, and Justice in the Law at OU Law, and former Dean at Washburn University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today's episode, we welcome Carla D. Pratt, a national leader in diversity and inclusion and the holder of the inaugural Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher Chair in Civil Rights, Race, and Justice in the Law at the University of Oklahoma College of Law, a position she starts this summer after four years as dean of Washburn University School of Law. Dean Pratt describes her journey to the dean position at Washburn after having spent considerable time at Penn State, noting that it was Washburn's strong history and commitment to inclusion that attracted her to the position. Dean Pratt shares the innovative curricular approach at Washburn that allows students to receive one-third of their JD degree through distance education. This enables students to spend their last year in residence wherever they intend to live and practice after they graduate and pass the bar exam. The distance education opportunity also allows them to enter the legal market sooner to get some experience in the kind of law they intend to practice through a paid externship in the local legal market. Currently, their first cohort taking advantage of this innovation is spread out among 12 different states across the nation. Dean Pratt discusses the conclusion of her dean position at Washburn at the end of spring 2022, and her new position in her home state of Oklahoma, serving as the inaugural Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher Chair in Civil Rights, Race, and Justice in Law at the University of Oklahoma College of Law. In addition to her enthusiasm over being back home and being honored with this endowed chair, she predicts the future of legal education and her hopes for innovation that includes increased accessibility to legal education through online delivery.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
30:06
June 08, 2022
61. Conversation with Felicia Epps, Dean and Professor of Law at the University of North Texas at Dallas College of Law
61. Conversation with Felicia Epps, Dean and Professor of Law at the University of North Texas at Dallas College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  Today’s episode welcomes Felicia Epps, Dean, and Professor of Law at the University of North Texas Dallas College of Law. Dean Epps talks to us about UNT Dallas College of Law, the newest and 10th law school in Texas, and the newest ABA accredited law school in the country [at the time of recording, they were provisionally approved; since then, they received the outstanding news that they are fully accredited!]. UNT Dallas College of Law accepted its first class in 2014 and was provisionally approved in 2017. Dean Epps shares with us the commitment at the law school to first-generation students, diversity, non-traditional and underrepresented students, and practical skills. Dean Epps shares her background as a Marine and how those skills transfer to her deanship at UNT Dallas College of Law and to her professional identity. Dean Epps also tells us details about the class she used to teach on the death penalty and the new course she is working on putting together next year regarding court etiquette and what to do and not do in court. We also learn about the 3 jail cells in the law school building, one of which was occupied by Lee Harvey Oswald after he shot President Kennedy. Finally, she shares with us how she thinks legal education will continue to evolve over the coming decade, which she believes will include increased emphasis on practical skills, and more diversity in the legal profession, so that lawyers look more like the communities they serve.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:29
May 18, 2022
60. Conversation with Ambassador Morse Tan, Dean of Liberty University School of Law
60. Conversation with Ambassador Morse Tan, Dean of Liberty University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we welcome the new Dean of the Liberty University School of Law, Morse Hyun-Myung Tan. In addition to his work in academia, and in large law firms and as mediator for organizational clients, Dean Tan brings with him the unusual experience of serving as Ambassador at Large for the U.S. State Department’s Office of Global Criminal Justice, where he oversaw the prosecution of war criminals in Sri Lanka, Rwanda, the Balkans, and Lebanon. During this podcast, Dean Tan shares his historical studies of mass atrocities and their relation to current conflicts in North Korea, Russia, and Ukraine, respectively. Dean Tan also opines as to the likely outcome of Russia's mass atrocity crimes in the global context and the International Criminal Court.  Dean Tan discusses some of the great things going on at Liberty, and the tremendously supportive community one finds there. They have intensive programming to help students pass the Bar exam, and those efforts are resulting in significant success. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:50
May 11, 2022
59. Conversation with Lee Fisher, Dean and Professor of Law at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law at Cleveland State University
59. Conversation with Lee Fisher, Dean and Professor of Law at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law at Cleveland State University
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we welcome Lee Fisher, who serves as Dean and Joseph C. Hostetler BakerHostetler Chair in Law at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law at Cleveland State University, a position he has held since 2017. Dean Fisher shares with us his unusual path to the deanship, from being Ohio Attorney General from 1991 to 1995, to serving as Ohio Lieutenant Governor; Director of the Ohio Department of Development, State Senator; and State Representative, among other positions. He shares that although he has loved every position in his career, his favorite is being a dean because in working with students, he feels he has found the fountain of youth. Dean Fisher shares the three most serious challenges he has faced or is facing during his deanship at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law. They include unrealized merger discussions with the University of Akron Law School; being reported by the ABA as out of compliance due to financial concerns related to additional staff hiring, something that has since been rectified; and a petition to change the name of the law school. He shares how this name change came about, and the serious work that has been done to ensure that everyone has a seat at the table, from students to faculty to alumni. He shares how taking this approach assures that everyone’s voices are heard, and that such stakeholder inclusion is demonstrative of his approach to leadership, and consistent with what he teaches law students about leadership.   Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:03
May 03, 2022
58. Conversation with Michael Waterstone, Fritz B. Burns Dean and Loyola Marymount Law School Senior Vice President
58. Conversation with Michael Waterstone, Fritz B. Burns Dean and Loyola Marymount Law School Senior Vice President
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today's episode, we welcome Michael Waterstone, who was appointed the 18th Dean and Senior Vice-President of Loyola Marymount Law School in Los Angeles in June of 2016. Dean Waterstone shares his path to the deanship and the values that resonate with him at Loyola Marymount, including the commitment to experimental education and teaching, the commitment to meaningful outcomes, staying ahead of the curve in the way they teach and who they teach, and their commitment to social justice. Dean Waterstone shares that a part of Loyola Marymount's learning outcomes include learning about systemic inequality, and how their clinics are a visible manifestation of their commitment to social justice. One example includes the success for one clinic client, Andrew Wilson, who had served 32 years in jail for a crime he did not commit, and through the clinic's efforts was released. In under an hour Mr. Wilson was on their campus wearing a Loyola T-shirt, surrounded by his team of student attorneys. You will also learn about the part-time legal education program at Loyola Marymount, which follows a boot camp format.  Dean Waterstone shares his scholarship in disability law and the fantastic things they are doing at Loyola in their dedication to disability law. He concludes with his predictions for the future of legal education, which he believes will transform how institutions make progress on creating student populations that better serve and reflect the communities in which they live. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:32
April 21, 2022
57. Conversation with Danielle Conway, Dean and Donald J. Farage Professor of Law at Penn State Dickinson Law
57. Conversation with Danielle Conway, Dean and Donald J. Farage Professor of Law at Penn State Dickinson Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In today’s episode, we welcome Dean Danielle M. Conway, someone I admire and who has inspired me since before I was Dean. Dean Conway is the Dean and Donald J. Farage Professor of Law at Penn State Dickinson Law. Dean Conway shares her extraordinary efforts in starting the Law Dean’s Anti-Racist Clearinghouse Project, which launched in 2020, along with her colleagues, Dean Angela Onwuachi-Willig, Dean Kimberly Mutcherson, Dean Carla Pratt, and Dean Danielle Holley-Walker. Dean Conway tells us that this project was born out of the pain and frustration felt after the murder of George Floyd and other black and brown people, and the lack of protection under the law for them. She tells us how the strong bond between the five resonated throughout the entire legal academy, which gives all of us great hope that it will help transform the system of laws and society. You will learn how Dean Conway is changing the world with the Anti-Racist Development Institute (ADI). This complementary organization will educate subscribers on identifying and implementing anti-racist and anti-racism policies, practices. There are more than 31 law schools involved and 80 contributors from over 200 law schools who will write chapters for the book series, which is the platform for the ADI. Dean Conway shares with us the initiatives she has taken at her law school and the difference they have made, including an increase in the number of faculty of color from 12% to 30% since 2019. Dean Conway also shares how the support of her husband and the leadership team at Penn State University help her manage to be Dean of a law school, lead the way in anti-racism efforts, and keep up with the Clearinghouse Project, all while being a mom to a ten-year-old. Dean Conway concludes with her predictions for the future of legal education, which she believes will transform how equality and the rule of law are taught. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
30:30
April 19, 2022
56. Conversation with Jeffrey Lowe, Global Practice Leader, Law Firm Practice; Managing Partner, D.C. Office, at Major, Lindsey & Africa and Ru Bhatt, Partner at Major, Lindsey & Africa
56. Conversation with Jeffrey Lowe, Global Practice Leader, Law Firm Practice; Managing Partner, D.C. Office, at Major, Lindsey & Africa and Ru Bhatt, Partner at Major, Lindsey & Africa
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! This episode of EdUp Legal includes two partners from the #1 ranked legal search firm in the United States, Major, Lindsey & Africa. Major, Lindsey & Africa is a global navigator for lawyers at any stage of their career, and includes today's guests, Jeffrey Lowe, Global Practice Leader and Law Firm Practice Managing Partner of the Washington D.C. office, and Ru Bhatt, Partner in the New York Associate Practice Group. Partners Lowe and Bhatt discuss the hiring in the legal market during the pandemic, and predict what we are likely to see in the near term. They share advice for law students and lawyers on maximizing their success in the job market, explain the necessity of networking, and discuss their new partnership with BarBri, that will offer law students with practical, real-world guidance on beginning and navigating their legal careers, including live webinars such as “10 Questions to Ask When Selecting a Practice Area” and “Navigating and Preparing for OCI." Listen to some fun facts as well, including the "I knew him when" story of how Jeffrey and I know each other, and Rhu's pro bono work fundraising for local and national LGBTQ+ and Asian American charity organizations by serving on their board, as a volunteer, and as a renowned DJ! Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:28
April 14, 2022
55. Conversation with Anthony Niedwiecki, President and Dean at Mitchell Hamline School of Law
55. Conversation with Anthony Niedwiecki, President and Dean at Mitchell Hamline School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Today's program features Anthony Niedwiecki, who started as President and Dean at Mitchell Hamline School of Law in 2020. Prior to that, he was dean and professor of Law at Golden Gate University School of Law from 2017-2020. Dean Niedwiecki brings with him a wealth of experience teaching at additional law schools, commercial litigation experience, and service in the elected position of city commissioner and vice mayor of a city of 40,000 in south Florida. Dean Niedwiecki is passionate about law and civil rights, and he is dedicated to improving the community and transforming lives, and helping to address the racial reckoning occurring in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where Mitchell Hamline is located. Mitchell Hamline School of Law recently announced creation of the Center for the Study of Black Life and the Law, which will be a repository for both theory and policy on how laws and legislative proposals affect Black life. Dean Niedwiecki also discusses their hybrid delivery option for the J.D. degree, and the unique Prison-to-Law Pipeline that would establish the first ABA-accredited juris doctorate and paralegal degree opportunities for inmates. He shares the statistic that recidivism drops with every degree earned by inmates. He also discusses alternative licensing options to the Bar Exam, which he notes has racist roots in its developmental history. Learn more about Dean Niedwiecki, Mitchell Hamline School of Law, and his predictions about the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:26
April 12, 2022
54. Conversation with Megan M. Carpenter, Dean at Franklin Pierce School of Law at the University of New Hampshire
54. Conversation with Megan M. Carpenter, Dean at Franklin Pierce School of Law at the University of New Hampshire
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Dean Megan M. Carpenter began her role at the University of New Hampshire, Franklin Pierce School of Law in summer 2017. The fit was a natural one for Dean Carpenter given her expertise in intellectual property and innovation, particularly with Franklin Pierce School of Law having the #4 IP program in the country. This episode explores the robust programming in IP at UNH Franklin Pierce School of Law, including a hybrid JD focused on IP that engages students in immersions in a variety of cities so that they can learn from experts in the field where they work. Dean Carpenter also discusses the impressive Daniel Webster Scholar Honors Program, a first-of-its-kind program in the country that tests students with a variant of the New Hampshire Bar exam during their last two years of law school, making them members of the New Hampshire bar the day before graduation. Graduates of the Honors Program are also eligible to sit for the bar exam in any jurisdiction outside New Hampshire for which they would qualify having graduated from an ABA-accredited law school, and the program now boasts alumni in more than a dozen other bars throughout the country. Finally, Dean Carpenter shares her thoughts about the future of legal education and its likely unbundling in order to meet the changing demands of the profession and increasing gaps in access to justice. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:48
April 05, 2022
53. Conversation with Judith Daar, Ambassador Patricia L. Herbold Dean Professor of Law at Northern Kentucky University Chase School of Law
53. Conversation with Judith Daar, Ambassador Patricia L. Herbold Dean Professor of Law at Northern Kentucky University Chase School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Judith Daar, 16th Dean of Northern Kentucky University Chase College of Law, began her dean tenure in summer 2019, and during this episode she shares how she does the job while she and her husband commute every other weekend between Kentucky and California, where her husband has been hard at work with infectious diseases and aiding the pandemic fight. The pandemic made their commuting more challenging, and early on, she was often the only person on the flight with her puppy, Chase, named for the law school. Dean Daar is an expert in law and assisted reproductive technologies and during our conversation she shared some of the developments in that field for which she was the original casebook author. Dean Daar explains how recent legislation addressing abortion and expanded definitions of personhood sometimes has unintended consequences on assisted reproductive technologies like IVF.  Dean Daar shared her excitement about the gift just announced from Alumnus W. Bruce Lunsford for $3 million, the largest gift in the College's history, and one that expands the impact of his original gift that established the W. Bruce Lunsford Academy for Law, Business + Technology, an honors program that provides students hands-on and conceptual training in applications of law, business and technology. This gift, which triples the initial investment, will increase Lunsford Fellowships for students, and expand networking and placement opportunities for students and graduates, among other initiatives. Learn more about this exciting program and the benefits for students of Chase College of Law in this episode. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
28:35
April 01, 2022
52. Conversation with J. Rich Leonard, Dean at Norman Adrian Wiggins School of Law at Campbell University
52. Conversation with J. Rich Leonard, Dean at Norman Adrian Wiggins School of Law at Campbell University
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Enjoy this conversation with J. Rich Leonard, Dean at Norman Adrian Wiggins School of Law at Campbell University, and learn more about how the 5th dean of the law school transitioned to being a leader in legal education after decades on the federal bench. Dean Leonard spearheaded a holistic review of the law school's curriculum that resulted in identifying nine specific practice areas and expanding their clinical programs. Under Dean Leonard's direction, Campbell Law added a unique FLEX JD program, a mentoring program, dual degree and 3+3 programs, including addition of an LL.M. available to law students, judges and attorneys through a partnership with the University of Nottingham, and a Certificate in Patent Law. He speaks passionately about the school's Ghana Summer Program that he leads for law students each year, and describes the comprehensive bar preparation program that is supporting impressive student success.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
29:60
March 29, 2022
51. Conversation with Paxton Riter, CEO, and Jared Brueckner, Senior VP, of iDesign
51. Conversation with Paxton Riter, CEO, and Jared Brueckner, Senior VP, of iDesign
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  Listen to learn more about iDesign, a company that changed the business model of online program management, long before the pandemic (and long before it was cool!). They bring a faculty-centric approach that focuses on quality course delivery and student learning outcomes when engaging partners in course design and delivery of online and blended programs, and they do so with a flexible fee-for-service model, rather than the more traditional long-term high-profit share costs of some OPM providers. Paxton Riter, Co-Founder, and CEO, and Jared Brueckner, Senior Vice President, discuss the work they are doing with more than 100 higher education institutions and share with us some evolutions specific to legal education. They discuss some innovations in online education and the importance of stackable credentials and flexibility in the delivery model as we adapt to a more virtual and post-pandemic economy and an increasingly competitive higher education environment. And to top it all off . . . they're from Texas! Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:12
March 28, 2022
50. Conversation with Alena Allen, Interim Dean at University of Arkansas School of Law
50. Conversation with Alena Allen, Interim Dean at University of Arkansas School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Enjoy our 50th Episode of EdUp Legal! This milestone episode includes a conversation with Alena Allen, Interim Dean at the University of Arkansas-Fayetteville School of Law, a position she started in January 2022. Prior to taking on this Interim Dean position, she served as their Associate Dean for Research & Faculty Development and as a Professor of Law, positions she started in summer 2021. Dean Allen shares the unusual path to this deanship and the circumstances that prompted her to depart her prior law school after 11 years of service. Dean Allen discusses the challenges of balancing legal practice and teaching in the academy, respectively, with parenting, and the inequities for people of color in both faculty positions and law school leadership in the majority of law schools. Dean Allen expresses her enthusiasm over her law school's Public Interest Fellows Program, and the emphasis and impact they are providing to ensure success for First-Generation students. If you care about diversity in legal education, both for our students and our faculty/leadership, you won't want to miss this episode! Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
30:32
March 15, 2022
49. Conversation with Marc L. Miller, Dean and Ralph W. Bilby Professor of Law at the University of Arizona's James E. Rogers College of Law
49. Conversation with Marc L. Miller, Dean and Ralph W. Bilby Professor of Law at the University of Arizona's James E. Rogers College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!   Marc L. Miller, Dean, and Ralph W. Bilby Professor of Law at the University of Arizona's James E. Rogers College of Law shares with us the trailblazing they have been doing since he took the role in 2013. Dean Miller discusses the expansion of their global programs to the point where they surpass the J.D. program in tuition revenue and the experience of the law school in being the first to adopt the GRE as another admission metric. He shares the impetus and evolution of JD Next, their partnership with ETS for a pre-matriculation preparation program for law students nationally, as well as details about their B.A. in Law, the first of its kind in the U.S. There are now 1,600 majors in the B.A. in Law, with more than 500 of them in dual degree programs in East Asia. Dean Miller believes that their expansion to utilizing the GRE, the B.A. in Law, and J.D. Next, all aid in diversifying the profession. James E. Rogers College of Law is also launching certificate programs that prepare undergraduates to work as legal advocates after graduation, thus helping to meet Access to Justice needs. This builds on their already successful Master of Legal Studies program. Learn more about these exciting initiatives in this episode! Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
42:26
March 10, 2022
48. Conversation with Laura Frederick, Founder and President of How to Contract
48. Conversation with Laura Frederick, Founder and President of How to Contract
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Laura Frederick is the Managing Attorney of Laura Frederick Law PLLC in Austin, Texas, and the Founder and President of How to Contract. Laura has 25 years of experience helping clients with their business contracts and technology agreements.   She spent ten years as a technology transactions attorney, including five years at Morrison & Foerster.  She spent 14 years working at technology and energy companies, including Tesla, SolarCity,  Hanwha Q CELLS, and PPL Corporation, all of which convinced her that more professional training was needed in the nuances of commercial contracting. Her LinkedIn daily contract tips led to the creation of How to Contract, and the publication of her bestselling book in late 2020, “ Practical Tips on How to Contract: Techniques and Tactics from an Ex-BigLaw and Ex-Tesla Commercial Contracts” — that has sold over 3,000 copies. Since then, the book has been embraced by several law schools and law school professors. Learn more about this lawyer turned entrepreneur, the How to Contract platform, the daily LinkedIn tips, Laura's book and its fun cartoons, and some of the best contract drafting tips for law students and lawyers on today's episode. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:51
March 08, 2022
47. Conversation with Andrew M. Perlman, Dean of Suffolk University Law School
47. Conversation with Andrew M. Perlman, Dean of Suffolk University Law School
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Learn from Andrew M. Perlman, Dean of Suffolk University Law School and Professor of Law, about the innovations at Suffolk Law in the area of curricular reform, admissions, and the delivery of legal education. Dean Perlman started at Suffolk Law as a professor in 2001, and since then has been instrumental in paving the way towards the future of legal education, including his role as founding director of their Institute on Legal Innovation and Technology (you can learn more about it in Episode 29 with Gabe Tenninbaum) and inspiring their Legal Innovation and Technology Concentration. Whether considering alternative pathways to admission to law school in order to diversify the profession, or offering creative delivery models of legal education to maximize access, or train law students to develop technology tools to aid in providing access to justice, Suffolk Law is redefining what law schools can do. Dean Perlman also took that creative eye towards collaborations among law schools that can help advance systemic change, including the ABA's Legal Education Police Practices Consortium, in which St. Mary's is a founding member, and includes dozens of other law schools. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
30:19
March 03, 2022
46. Conversation with Neil Fulton, Dean of the University of South Dakota School of Law
46. Conversation with Neil Fulton, Dean of the University of South Dakota School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Enjoy this conversation with Neil Fulton, a "South Dakota" kid who was selected by the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals to serve as a federal public defender for North Dakota and South Dakota. Dean Fulton now leads the University of South Dakota Knudson School of Law, the state school in a rural state whose graduates benefit from the second-lowest debt load in the country. USD prides itself on attracting and educating students who seek to excel, serve and lead, and the focus on servant leadership means that many of the positions in government include alumni from the law school. The education offered now includes legal writing requirements every year, starting with a 1L practicum to complement the criminal law class, and prepares graduates to serve as generalists, so they are suited for a small town or solo practice, or anything else they seek to do in the private sector or through public interest. Dean Fulton discusses the deep, personal connection that students in their 80-person classes develop with the faculty who relish the engagement with, and mentorship of, their students. Finally, Dean Fulton shares his predictions for the future of legal education, and the hope that law schools become less homogenous, and more reflective of their geographic location and community legal needs, and their own identity as institutions. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
28:53
March 01, 2022
45. Conversation with Joshua P. Fershee, Dean of Creighton University School of Law
45. Conversation with Joshua P. Fershee, Dean of Creighton University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Learn more about Joshua P. Fershee, Dean of Creighton University School of Law, and the journey that led to his service as the law school's 11th dean beginning in July 2019. Dean Fershee shares that this Omaha, Nebraska law school enrolls nearly 400 students annually, with almost half coming from Nebraska and Iowa. Creighton University School of Law has significant opportunities in clinics and pro bono, including their Juvenile Justice Clinic. They offer concentrations in Energy and Environmental Law, as well as Sports Law, given the wide-ranging sports activities that occur locally, including the College World Series. They also offer a concentration in Health Law, and are excited that Creighton University is planning a medical school campus in Phoenix, Arizona, one the law school hopes to collaborate with on a health law externship or residential clinic. Dean Fershee also shares his excitement about the partnership between Creighton School of Law, the Nebraska State Bar Association, UNL Law and 16 law firms and businesses that have joined together to create the Nebraska Legal Diversity Council (NLDC) in order to work towards lessening disparities in the state of Nebraska to create a more diverse and inclusive legal community. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
27:26
February 24, 2022
44. Conversation with Verna L. Williams, Dean and Nippert Professor of Law at the University of Cincinnati School of Law
44. Conversation with Verna L. Williams, Dean and Nippert Professor of Law at the University of Cincinnati School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Learn more about Verna L. Williams, Dean and Nippert Professor of Law at the University of Cincinnati School of Law, who calls herself "an accidental dean" given her 18-year tenure as a faculty member at the College of Law before assuming the leadership post in 2019. Prior to joining the faculty and becoming co-director of the College's Judge Nathaniel Jones Center for Race, Gender, and Social Justice, she was Vice President and Director of Educational Opportunities at the National Women's Law Center, focusing on gender equity in education, successfully arguing before the United States Supreme Court the case of Davis v. Monroe County Board of Education, which established that educational institutions must respond to and address complaints of student-to-student sexual harassment.  Dean Williams discussed the beautiful new building that will house the School of Law and their new Master of Legal Studies that debuted in January 2022. She shared the social justice mission of the law school, and their significant clinic offerings, including those focused on Legal Access, Indigent Defense, Domestic Violence and Protection Orders, Entrepreneurship and Community Development, Innocence, Patent and Trademark, and cases actively pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Dean Williams also provided a candid glimpse into her friendship with her 1L Moot Court partner at Harvard Law School, and the role she played in chronicling that partner's life as First Lady of the United States, someone we all know as Michelle Obama. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:47
February 22, 2022
43. Conversation with Michael Scharf, Co-Dean at Case Western Reserve University School of Law
43. Conversation with Michael Scharf, Co-Dean at Case Western Reserve University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Learn more about Michael Scharf, Co-Dean since 2013, Joseph C. Hostetler and BakerHostetler Professor of Law at Case Western Reserve University School of Law, and Managing Director of the Public International Law and Policy Group, a Nobel Peace Prize-nominated NGO. Dean Scharf utilizes his international law expertise to help grow and manage Case Western's foreign legal studies program, which includes robust LLM and SJD enrollment annually. Dean Scharf explains the ways that the international students in these programs enrich the experience of the JD students and actively engage with the law faculty, and the benefits that the Case Western degrees provide for the international graduates, who stay closely connected to the law school after graduation. He shares suggestions for other law schools seeking to maximize their success in starting and maintaining similar programs, and the significant benefits of doing so. Dean Scharf is also a convincing advocate for the leadership model of co-deans! Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
29:53
February 17, 2022
42. Conversation with Eduardo R.C. Capulong, Interim Dean and Professor of Law of the City University of New York School of Law
42. Conversation with Eduardo R.C. Capulong, Interim Dean and Professor of Law of the City University of New York School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Enjoy this conversation with Eduardo R. C. Capulong, who was appointed Interim Dean of City University of New York School of Law in the spring of 2022. Dean Capulong is an alumnus of CUNY, and he joined as the Director of the Lawyering Program in 2019. Prior to that he was Professor of Law and inaugural Associate Dean for Clinical and Experiential Education at the University of Montana, and he held additional lawyering and public interest teaching positions at N.Y.U. and Stanford, the latter as externship programs director and lecturer. He started his legal career as a litigator, policy analyst and community organizer. Dean Capulong described CUNY as a place that trains social justice lawyers, and that prepares its graduates to practice law in the service of human needs. They are regularly ranked as the #1 law school for public interest, and they attract students for whom social justice is a passion. Dean Capulong shared the efforts he and the faculty are engaged in to reform the curriculum, and his commitment to help move the school and community forward after a painful period.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
30:28
February 16, 2022
41. Conversation with David Klieger, Senior Research Scientist at ETS, and Dan Rodriguez, Harold Washington Professor and Dean Emeritus, Northwestern Law
41. Conversation with David Klieger, Senior Research Scientist at ETS, and Dan Rodriguez, Harold Washington Professor and Dean Emeritus, Northwestern Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! This conversation with David Klieger, Senior Research Scientist in the Center for Educational and Career Development at the Educational Training Service (ETS) and Daniel B. Rodriguez, the Harold Washington Professor and Dean Emeritus at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law, and Chair of the newly created Legal Education Advisory Committee at ETS, explores the history of law schools utilizing the GRE in addition to the LSAT and provides insight into why schools might consider including the GRE following the ABA's recent decision for widespread acceptance of either admission test.  They discuss ETS' partnership with the University of Arizona Law School on JD-Next for aspirants or accepted law students to be exposed to what law study might be like or to prepare them for that study, and the PSQ initiative that is under development and which will assess 14 different soft skill areas and composites. Dr. Klieger and Dean Rodriguez go on to discuss ways that ETS is focused on the advancement of innovation and diversity, equity, and inclusion in legal education, and they both opine on the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:53
February 10, 2022
40. Conversation with Theresa M. Beiner, Dean at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, William H. Bowen School of Law
40. Conversation with Theresa M. Beiner, Dean at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, William H. Bowen School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Learn more about Theresa M. Beiner, first permanent female dean and the Nadine Baum Distinguished Professor of Law at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, William H. Bowen School of Law, where she has spent her career in the legal academy since 1994. Following roles that included the Associate Dean of Academic Affairs and Associate Dean for Faculty Development, Dean Beiner assumed the top spot on July 1, 2018. The Bowen School of Law enrolls about 70% of its students from Arkansas and boasts a Rural Practice Incubator to aid those who want to go back to their rural hometowns to practice law. Dean Beiner discusses the new Center for Racial Justice and Criminal Justice Reform that is in development, and that includes a comprehensive court watching program with funding from Walmart. Bowen School of Law focuses on access to justice, professionalism, and public service, the latter being an extremely significant part of the ethos of the school. The required live client experiences through their 7 clinics and other experiential learning opportunities underscore that ethos, and they offer the opportunity for students to enroll in a number of concurrent degree programs, including the popular Masters in Public Service at the UA Clinton School of Public Service. Dean Beiner shares her enthusiasm about their Business Bootcamp and their partnership with the National Center for State Courts, and opines about the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
26:10
February 08, 2022
39. Conversation with Jacob Rooksby, Dean and Professor of Law, and Gail Hammer, Associate Professor of Law and Coordinating Attorney at Gonzaga University School of Law
39. Conversation with Jacob Rooksby, Dean and Professor of Law, and Gail Hammer, Associate Professor of Law and Coordinating Attorney at Gonzaga University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Enjoy this conversation with Jacob H. Rooksby, Dean of Gonzaga University School of Law since 2018, and his colleague Gail Hammer, Associate Professor of Law and Coordinating Attorney in their Clinical Legal Programs, where we discuss the innovative programs at this Catholic law school in Spokane, Washington, a city located inland in the Pacific Northwest. Dean Rooksby also serves as President of the Gonzaga Law School Foundation, and is a Professor of Law and Leadership Studies, and an IP Optimization Strategist, which keeps him connected to the practice of law and the evolving area of intellectual property. A champion of diversity, Dean Rooksby is proud that Gonzaga is the first Catholic law school in the country to have an LGBTQ+ rights legal clinic, which Professor Hammer directs. Dean Rooksby also discussed the unique opportunity for law students to obtain a legal and business certificate from the Gonzaga University Wine Institute. Professor Hammer joined us from her home, with her parrot, Coco, chiming in on occasion. She has directed a number of clinics at Gonzaga, including the Indian Law clinic, General Practice, and Domestic Violence clinics, and now leads the Lincoln LGBTQ+ Rights Clinic of the Center for Civil Human Rights and teaches litigation and children's law classes. She and her students assist members of the LGBTQ+ community with direct representation, and also aid in policy work. The relatively new clinic has been fully subscribed to by students and welcomed by the community on and off campus.  We conclude with Dean Rooksby and Professor Hammer sharing their predictions for the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:58
February 03, 2022
38. Conversation with Matthew R. Lyon, Vice President and Dean at Duncan School of Law, Lincoln Memorial University
38. Conversation with Matthew R. Lyon, Vice President and Dean at Duncan School of Law, Lincoln Memorial University
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  Join us for a conversation with Matthew R. Lyon, Vice President and Dean of the Lincoln Memorial University Duncan School of Law, a position he started in July 2020. Dean Lyon is the fourth dean of the young Knoxville, Tennessee law school that opened in 2009 at Lincoln Memorial University, which was established in 1897 and named for President Abraham Lincoln. Prior to being named Dean, he served as Associate Dean for Academic Programs and oversaw their successful efforts to obtain full approval from the American Bar Association. Dean Lyon shares that Duncan School of Law serves largely the Southern Appalachia Region, and is proud of its student-centered focus and affordable education for many students traditionally underrepresented in the profession, graduates who go on to serve the underserved. Duncan School of Law offers a robust externship program and opportunities for students to learn in local law firms. Dean Lyon opines about the future of legal education and his hope that law schools move beyond the traditional and lockstep model currently available, to more flexible delivery models and training for future attorneys, including limited license opportunities.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
36:50
February 01, 2022
37. Conversation with Heidi K. Brown, Director of Legal Writing and Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School
37. Conversation with Heidi K. Brown, Director of Legal Writing and Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  Professor Heidi K. Brown joined us for her episode during her sabbatical year from Brooklyn Law School, where she is Director of Legal Writing and Professor of Law. Professor Brown shares her path from boutique litigation practice and brief writer to author and legal educator. She has published four books on predictive and persuasive legal writing and federal litigation and has written two books that help law students and attorneys "find their authentic lawyer voices" and overcome anxiety. A self-proclaimed introvert, her books include The Introverted Lawyer: A Seven-Step Journey Toward Authentically Empowered Advocacy and Untangling Fear in Layering: A Four-Step Journey Toward Powerful Advocacy. Professor Brown is an avid traveler and included on the Fulbright Specialist Roster. She studies Italian, has taught in Italy, and was awarded a Global Legal Skills Award in Verona, Italy. When she's not working on her Italian, she is often attending concerts of U2, whom she has seen 20 times, and we discuss the lithograph of Bono lyrics she has in her apartment. Every time I hear a U2 song now, Professor Brown comes to mind! Professor Brown regularly works with a trainer in boxing and finds that boxing lessons often inform her work. Her latest book, The Flourishing Lawyer, will be out next.   Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:43
January 28, 2022
36. Conversation with Dean Leonard M. Baynes, University of Houston Law Center
36. Conversation with Dean Leonard M. Baynes, University of Houston Law Center
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Enjoy this conversation with Leonard M. Baynes, Dean, and Professor of Law at the University of Houston Law Center, a position he has held since 2014. Dean Baynes is the ninth dean of the Law Center, where he manages more than 60 full-time faculty, and oversees 12 centers and institutes, including those with top-ten rankings in Health Law & Policy, Intellectual Property & Information Law, and a part-time J.D. program. Dean Baynes has been described as a "champion for diversity" and is the recent recipient of the 2022 AALS Clyde Ferguson Award. He was named one of the nation's top 100 most influential lawyers of color, named to the Lawyers of Color Power List, and has received several other awards for his innovative and impactful work on diversity. Dean Baynes initiated the award-winning Pre-Law Pipeline Program at the University of Houston Law Center, which creates more opportunities for first-generation, economically challenged, and under-represented college students considering law school.  Dean Baynes discusses his law school's upcoming move into the brand-new John M. O'Quinn Law Building and the Black Lawyers Matter Conference that his law school initiated in partnership with SMU Dedman School of Law in 2020, an event that is now held annually and attended by more than 1,000 participants. U of H Law Center also debuted the Aspiring Lawyer Magazine this year, aimed at assisting underrepresented individuals who are considering law school navigate the application process. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
40:28
January 25, 2022
35. Conversation with Katheleen Guzman, Dean at The University of Oklahoma College of Law
35. Conversation with Katheleen Guzman, Dean at The University of Oklahoma College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Listen as Katheleen Guzman, Dean, and Director of the Law Center, Fenelon Boesche Chair in Law, and MAPCO/Williams Presidential Professor at the University of Oklahoma College of Law discusses her lengthy tenure as a faculty member at OU, and her transition to serving as the 13th dean of OU College of Law, the first woman to be fully appointed and serve in this leadership role. Dean Guzman shares her inspiration for law school teaching, her scholarly work in the intersection between property, culture and law, her co-reporting for the Uniform Law Commission Model Tribal Probate Code, and her contributions to Jotwell, the Journal of Things We Like (Lots).  Dean Guzman discusses the affordability and excellence of OU College of Law, and its designation as the only Apple law school in the U.S. She explains what that designation means, and the innovations that are part of their Digital Initiative, which includes collaborative learning spaces, co-curricular training, and lab sessions, the use of iPads, data analytics, legal software, and artificial intelligence, all as part of the law library of tomorrow.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:54
January 20, 2022
34. Conversation with Dean Bobby Ahdieh, Texas A&M School of Law
34. Conversation with Dean Bobby Ahdieh, Texas A&M School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Listen to Robert (Bobby) B. Ahdieh, Dean and Anthony G. Buzbee Dean's Endowed Chair at Texas A&M University School of Law, discuss his transition in 2018 from Vice Dean at an east coast law school to his current position as Dean, his indoctrination into all things Texas and A&M, and the extraordinary improvements at the law school since A&M's acquisition eight years ago. Dean Ahdieh discusses Texas A&M's goal to "Meet the Needs of Every Texan Every Day," and how their new facility in downtown Fort Worth will transform the law school. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
37:45
January 18, 2022
33. Conversation with Professor Howard Katz, Cleveland-Marshall College of Law
33. Conversation with Professor Howard Katz, Cleveland-Marshall College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! Our guest for this episode is Howard Katz, who is Cleveland-Marshall College of Law's first Legal Educator-in-Residence, a position in which he advises the Dean, faculty, and staff on best practices in admissions, academic support, bar passage, curriculum, and pedagogy; he was also a former visiting professor at Cleveland-Marshall for several years. Professor Katz has served in a variety of academic and administrative leadership positions at a number of law schools, including the law schools at Duquesne University and Elon University. Professor Katz co-authored (with Kevin Francis O’Neill) Strategies and Techniques of Law School Teaching, which formed the foundation for a series of subject-matter teaching advice for law professors. He regularly participates in the annual Leading Edge conference convened by Wolters Kluwer and serves as a member of the executive committee of the New Teachers section of the AALS. Professor Katz discusses the resources available for new law teachers and includes advice for them in developing a strategy that demonstrates care for students while also effectively teaching the material. He is passionate about helping new professors, and improving the curriculum and the law school experience through enrichment of early skills and technology teaching, and improved student advising. Professor Katz opines about the future of legal education and the profession, and the need to narrow the gap of available legal services between those who can afford them, and those who cannot. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:16
January 13, 2022
32. Conversation with Dean Elizabeth Kronk Warner, S.J. Quinney College of Law at the University of Utah
32. Conversation with Dean Elizabeth Kronk Warner, S.J. Quinney College of Law at the University of Utah
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!   Join us as we hear from Elizabeth Kronk Warner, Dean and Professor of Law at the S.J. Quinney College of Law at the University of Utah, as she describes her path to the deanship, including her time as Associate Dean and Professor of Law at the University of Kansas School of Law (KU), where she was also the Director of the Tribal Law and Government Center. Dean Kronk Warner's academic expertise includes the intersection of environmental and Indian law. As a citizen of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians, she served as an appellate judge for the tribe and as a district judge for the Prairie Band Potawatomi Tribe. Dean Kronk Warner discusses the S.J. Quinney College of Law's commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion, its value as a public law school, and its new programs in criminal law and intellectual property. Also learn about the amazing opportunities to enjoy as a resident of Salt Lake City, including 7 nearby ski resorts, 5 national parks in Utah, and the Sundance Film Festival. Dean Kronk Warner shares her own love for the area, and also the gratitude she has towards those legal educators and allies who have helped pave the way for her through mentorship. A fun conversation to have, and to which to listen!  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
36:45
January 11, 2022
31. Conversation with Professor Benjamin Barton, University of Tennessee College of Law
31. Conversation with Professor Benjamin Barton, University of Tennessee College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Professor Benjamin Barton, Helen, and Charles Lockett Distinguished Professor of Law at the University of Tennessee College of Law, and a research fellow for the Center for the Study of Social Justice.  He is a prior director of clinical programs at the College of Law.  Professor Barton is the author of several books, including Fixing Law Schools; Rebooting Justice; Glass Half Full: The Decline and Rebirth of the Legal Profession; and the Lawyer-Judge Bias in the American Courts. During the podcast, he discusses the challenges in legal education and the reforms required in areas such as bar passage and debt load to "fix law schools," as well as the necessity of increasing access to justice for those traditionally deprived of that access. Professor Barton explains the premise of his next book, The Credentialed Court: Inside the Cloistered, Elite World of American Justice, which will be published in 2022, and the results of his research into the topic. Professor Barton also shares the successes he and his students are achieving utilizing A2J author software and basic coding to create tools and increase accessibility to legal solutions for the public.   Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
40:11
January 06, 2022
30. Conversation with Dean Susan Duncan and Professor Charles Stotler, University of Mississippi School of Law
30. Conversation with Dean Susan Duncan and Professor Charles Stotler, University of Mississippi School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Dean Susan Duncan and Professor Charles Stotler to learn more about the University of Mississippi School of Law, and some of their outstanding programs, including the Center for Air and Space Law, and their clinical programs that boast three exonerations in less than two years!  University of Mississippi School of Law ranks highly for placement in federal clerkships and for practical training, with 11 clinics and a unique dual-track J.D. and LL.M. in air and space that can be earned in three years, inclusive of summers. Their air and space law program has grown 900% over the last three years and includes professionals outside the law and mid-level attorneys among its students. The program is cross-disciplinary and is helping meet the needs of NASA and the public and private space initiatives that are in need of those trained in these evolving areas of law. Mississippi College of Law also explores Drone Law & Policy in its newly created law journal. Dean Duncan shares her path to the deanship and her predictions regarding the evolution of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:37
January 04, 2022
29. Conversation with Gabriel H. Teninbaum, Assistant Dean for Innovation, Strategic Initiatives and Distance Education at Suffolk University Law School
29. Conversation with Gabriel H. Teninbaum, Assistant Dean for Innovation, Strategic Initiatives and Distance Education at Suffolk University Law School
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network!  In this episode, we hear from Professor Gabe Teninbaum, who serves as the Assistant Dean for Innovation, Strategic Initiatives and Distance Education at Suffolk University Law School, where he teaches legal writing and legal technology courses that include research and development of access to justice initiatives and applications.  Professor Tenninbaum also holds appointments as a Faculty Associate at the Berkman-Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard, as a Visiting Professor at the MIT Media Lab, and as a Visiting Fellow at the Yale Law School Information Society Project.  In addition to supporting Suffolk Law and it's #1 ranked legal tech program (according to National Jurist Magazine), Professor Tenninbaum founded and serves as CEO of Spaced Repetition Systems, a program that provides a unique memorization technique that aids law students in course work and bar exam and MPRE preparation. Professor Tenninbaum discusses his work in Productizing Legal Work and the new textbook with that focus in support of law students and legal professionals. He discusses Spaced Repetition, his new book, and the novel approach that Suffolk has in weaving legal tech into its curriculum. Professor Tenninbaum mentions his Lawtomatic Newsletter that he shares weekly, and provides his opinions regarding the future of legal education and the evolution likely to happen in the practice of law.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:06
December 30, 2021
28. Conversation with Dean Marcilynn A. Burke, Oregon School of Law
28. Conversation with Dean Marcilynn A. Burke, Oregon School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Marcilynn A. Burke, Dean, and Dave Frohnmayer Chair in Leadership and Law at the University of Oregon School of Law, a position she has held since 2017. Dean Burke is a graduate of Yale Law School, where she served as editor of both the Yale Journal of Law and Feminism and the Yale Journal of International Law. Following a clerkship with the Honorable Raymond A. Jackson, E.D.V.A., she practiced at Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton, focusing on environmental law, antitrust, and civil and criminal litigation. Her experience in environmental law and natural resources led to positions in the U.S. Department of the Interior's Bureau of Land Management, including Deputy Director for Programs and Policy, and Acting Assistant Secretary for the U.S. Department of the Interior. Dean Burke taught as a visitor at Rutgers School of Law and as Associate Dean and Associate Professor of Law at the University of Houston Law Center, a journey ultimately leading her to the Oregon Law deanship and her green and yellow attire every day! According to U.S. News & World Report, Oregon Law includes 3 top-ranked programs: Legal Writing, Environmental Law, and Dispute Resolution. Under Dean Burke's leadership, Oregon Law is focusing on four areas of strategic emphasis. They include increased opportunities in Business Law, moved forward by a recent million-dollar alumni gift; diversity and leadership, including the creation of a new position in Diversity, Inclusion and Leadership, increased leadership curricular opportunities, and a course requirement that explores patterns of power and inequity; experiential learning opportunities, like the third-year in Portland program; and robust undergraduate and graduate programs that range from legal studies minors to M.Jur. and LL.M. degrees. Hear from Dean Burke about her views on the future of legal education, and what diversity, inclusion and leadership should mean in the profession. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:16
December 28, 2021
27. Conversation with Dr. Chad Christensen, Project Manager for the Law School Survey of Student Engagement
27. Conversation with Dr. Chad Christensen, Project Manager for the Law School Survey of Student Engagement
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Dr. Chad Christensen, Project Manager for the Law School Survey of Student Engagement (LSSSE) at Indiana University Bloomington, who develops and implements strategic initiatives to expand LSSSE's impact at law schools and on legal education.  Dr. Christensen shares the longitudinal data from the approximately 186 different law schools and more than 400,000 law students since LSSSE's inception in 2004, and describes the usefulness to law schools that choose to participate in the annual survey process. In addition to publicly releasing aggregate results on an annual basis, Dr. Christensen and his LSSSE colleagues collaborate with law schools seeking to interpret and analyze their own survey results and provide consulting services to schools seeking to maximize the law student experience.  This podcast is particularly timely as the recent results of LSSSE explore the impact of the COVID crisis on legal education, providing deeply disturbing findings from the 13,000 responding law students at more than 60 law schools. Responding students reported concerns about meeting basic needs like adequate food and paying their bills, as well as increased depression, anxiety, and mental and physical exhaustion, with significant disparities among different races and gender. Dr. Christensen digs into these heartbreaking results but also notes that students reported positive interactions with classmates and professors, despite the alternative delivery models for legal education required by the pandemic. Dr. Christensen shares how future iterations for LSSSE can further influence the evolution of legal education and provide increased insight into the law student experience. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:11
December 16, 2021
26. Conversation with President and Dean Michael F. Barry, South Texas College of Law Houston
26. Conversation with President and Dean Michael F. Barry, South Texas College of Law Houston
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Michael F. Barry, President, and Dean at South Texas College of Law Houston. Learn more about Michael F. Barry, President and Dean of South Texas College of Law, and his path to leadership of this independent law school in Houston, Texas. Dean Barry shares the mission of South Texas, how faculty and students aided the Houston community during the pandemic, and how their commitment to one another led to faculty and staff finding innovative ways to connect with students during COVID's isolation. Dean Barry discusses the wholesale curricular review being undertaken by their faculty and the intentional efforts towards replicating Houston's extraordinary diversity within South Texas College of Law. A veteran of 67 marathons, Dean Barry explains the lessons from running that are instructive to the journey and success of law students. He closes with predictions of what is in store for legal education in the coming decade. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
29:21
December 14, 2021
25. Conversation with Mike Fogarty, Founder and CEO of MF Digital
25. Conversation with Mike Fogarty, Founder and CEO of MF Digital
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Mike Fogarty, Founder and CEO of MF Digital. Join us as we hear from Mike Fogarty, Founder, and CEO of MF Digital, a digital marketing firm specializing in postgraduate programs in law and business. Mike shares how MF Digital works with higher education institutions to design an individualized marketing campaign that targets the specific prospects most likely to be interested in a particular educational program. Once identified, MF Digital regularly nurtures the potential applicants with ads and personalized engagement that highlights only those programs that capture an applicant's interest. Whether successfully converting a first-time engaged applicant to an enrolled student, or increasing awareness of an institution's programs, or regularly reminding applicants of a program over a period of years before they matriculate, Mike explains why this type of marketing is so essential to recruiting today's students. Mike also shares the best practices, and most common mistakes, for higher education institutions to consider when engaging in digital marketing strategies. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:40
December 09, 2021
24. Conversation with Dean Andrew Strauss, University of Dayton School of Law
24. Conversation with Dean Andrew Strauss, University of Dayton School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Andrews Strauss, Dean at the University of Dayton School of Law. Dean Andrew Strauss has served as dean of the University of Dayton School of Law since 2015 and is the tenth dean of the Catholic and Marianist law school. Dean Strauss shares the impressive growth of his law school as evidenced by the hiring of 16 top scholars, expanding of degree programs to include two, three- and four-year J.D. options, as well as a hybrid J.D., significant improvement in bar passage, and new programs that include those focused on Human Rights, Sustainability and Technology. Dean Strauss explains the way that he approaches strategic innovation at the School of Law, and the reasons he and his faculty colleagues focused their efforts as they did. The University of Dayton School of Law had one of the highest rankings jumps in the nation, and are emphasizing and growing their value proposition to applicants and students. Dean Strauss discusses the new era of legal education in which we find ourselves, and the idealism and future of our democracy that is driving increased law school enrollment.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
34:04
December 07, 2021
23. Conversation with Teri A. McMurtry-Chubb, Associate Dean for Research & Faculty Development and Professor of Law, UIC Law School
23. Conversation with Teri A. McMurtry-Chubb, Associate Dean for Research & Faculty Development and Professor of Law, UIC Law School
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Teri A. McMurtry-Chubb, Associate Dean for Research & Faculty Development and Professor of Law, UIC Law School. Teri A. McMurtry-Chubb is Associate Dean for Research and Faculty Development and Professor of Law at the University of Illinois, Chicago Law School. Professor McMurtry-Chubb previously taught at a number of institutions, including the University of Iowa, Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, California State Polytechnic, Drake University School of Law, and Fairhaven College, where she was the co-founder and first director of Fairhaven's Center for Law, Diversity, and Justice, the first interdisciplinary full-time residential pipeline program in the country. Dean McMurtry-Chubb is a prominent critical-race-and-gender scholar who is the architect of UIC Law's 1L Antiracism Curriculum Project, and now directs the Law Schools' new, first of its kind,  JD Concentration in Critical Race & Gender Studies, programs she discusses at length in this podcast episode. Dean McMurtry-Chubb shares the impetus for, and the resultant work, in creating a comprehensive guide for integrating DEI into the core law curriculum. Her new book, Strategies & Techniques for Integrating DEI into the Core Law Curriculum: A Comprehensive Guide to DEI Pedagogy, Court Planning, and Classroom Practice, is available for free from Wolters Kluwer Legal Education. Dean McMurtry-Chubb explains why law schools need to think broadly when integrating DEI, challenging systemic barriers and traditional pedagogy in an effort to avoid complicity in inequity in legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
37:24
December 02, 2021
22. Conversation with Dean Charles Rose, III, Ohio Northern University Pettit College of Law.
22. Conversation with Dean Charles Rose, III, Ohio Northern University Pettit College of Law.
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Charles Rose, III, Dean of Ohio Northern University Pettit College of Law. Learn more about Charles Rose, III, and his path to leadership of Ohio Northern University Pettit College of Law, following an active duty career in the U.S. Army. He retired from the Judge Advocate General's Corps before joining Stetson University College of Law's faculty, leading their Trial Advocacy Program, which maintained a first-place ranking for 12 years in a row. The "Godfather of Advocacy," as those in the field call him, brought his leadership and training experience to his work at ONU, where they proudly and intentionally train lawyers who focus on taking care of people. Dean Rose is a prolific author in trial advocacy, evidence, criminal procedure and military law, and has the most fun when he is in the classroom teaching students. That enthusiasm will spread to Iceland this summer as ONU hosts a comparative advocacy training program. Dean Rose shares his pride over ONU students who responded to the tragic deaths of George Floyd and Brionna Taylor by creating the Civil Rights Law Journal, which debuted this fall. He closes with predictions of what is in store for legal education in the coming decade. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
33:20
November 30, 2021
21. Conversation with Jonathan Wolf, author of Your Debt-Free JD: How to Graduate from Law School Without Incurring Student Loan Debt
21. Conversation with Jonathan Wolf, author of Your Debt-Free JD: How to Graduate from Law School Without Incurring Student Loan Debt
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Jonathan Wolf, author of Your Debt-Free JD: How to Graduate from Law School Without Incurring Student Loan Debt.  Jonathan Wolf is a civil litigator, weekly columnist at Above the Law, and author of Your Debt-Free JD: How to Graduate from Law School Without Incurring Student Loan Debt. Jonathan shares his advice for those considering law school and making a decision on where to attend, discussing the financial implications of such a decision, and why things like "fit" should matter more than rankings. He explains his path to writing as a columnist and author while practicing law, and suggestions for those wanting to follow that path. He also makes predictions regarding the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:05
November 23, 2021
20. Conversation with Dean and President Sean M. Scott, California Western School of Law
20. Conversation with Dean and President Sean M. Scott, California Western School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Sean M. Scott, Dean and the President at California Western School of Law. Learn more about Sean M. Scott, Dean at California Western School of Law. In this episode, you will hear how Dean Sean M. Scott started her deanship at California Western School of Law, an independent law school, amid the pandemic after serving 30 years at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. She shares how she gained the trust of the faculty and staff at California Western School of Law to implement meaningful changes, which do not come easy when human interaction was halted for over a year. Dean Scott discusses her role as secretary for the National Association of Stand lone Graduate Schools, which aims to improve federal funding for institutions not attached to undergraduate programs scholarships, and her commitment to racial and social justice scholarships. Dean Scott tells us about the significant population of First-Generation students at California Western, which is in the top 10 for diversity in the country, and the importance to her to be at a school that is committed to diversity. Dean Scott shares her hopes for the future and how the law should respond to the political injustice built-in technology. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:03
November 16, 2021
19. Conversation with Professor Michael Madison from University of Pittsburgh School of Law
19. Conversation with Professor Michael Madison from University of Pittsburgh School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Professor Michael Madison from University of Pittsburgh School of Law. Michael Madison, Professor of Law and John E. Murray Faculty Scholar at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law, describes the innovative work he and colleagues across the globe are doing with a virtual think that focuses on the futures of professions, globalization, and higher education, called Future Law Works. This initiative is complemented by Professor Madison's Future Law Podcast, which explores rapid changes to the law and the legal profession, including the intersectionality of contemporary technology. These innovations helped inspire the Future Law Project at Pittsburgh School of Law, interdisciplinary research, scholarship, collaborations, and convening initiative which serves as a forum for leadership conversations about ongoing transformations in the future of law as a field of expertise and information, and as a source and expression of social order and law as political, economic, and cultural infrastructure, again, amid massive changes to economic, technological, and geographic conditions. Professor Madison concludes by sharing his thoughts about the evolving role of lawyers that will complement the future of legal automation. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
41:04
November 16, 2021
18. Conversation with Brian Cuban, Dallas-based attorney, author, and addiction recovery advocate.
18. Conversation with Brian Cuban, Dallas-based attorney, author, and addiction recovery advocate.
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Brian Cuban, Dallas-based attorney, author, and addiction recovery advocate. Brian Cuban, a Dallas-based attorney, author, addiction recovery advocate, and younger brother of Dallas Mavericks owner and entrepreneur Mark Cuban, discusses his recovery since 2007 from alcohol, cocaine, and bulimia. Brian has written three books, and during this episode, shares the experiences that inspired each of them. The first explored his decades of living with and recovering from eating disorders, entitled Shattered Image: My Triumph Over Body Dysmorphic Disorder. The second, The Addicted Lawyer, Tales of The Bar, Booze, Blow & Redemption, identifies the addiction and mental health issues that destroyed his successful legal career, and during the podcast, he shares the destructive nature of addiction and the rock-bottom circumstances which led to the start of his journey of recovery. Brian's experiences with addiction, Body Dysmorphic Disorder, and hard-fought recovery are revealed candidly, and the often-shocking stories make his resilience and recovery even more compelling. Brian shares these stories nationally through personal appearances, his books, and numerous columns in national media outlets in order to encourage students, attorneys, and others facing similar challenges to seek help and start recovery. Brian gives advice to current law students, and encourages all of us to look out for one another using an inquiry that starts by asking "Are you ok?" Brian's first legal thriller, The Ambulance Chaser, will be published in December 2021. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
38:18
November 11, 2021
17. Conversation with Chad Chasteen, Director of Content Development for The Princeton Review
17. Conversation with Chad Chasteen, Director of Content Development for The Princeton Review
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Chad Chasteen the Director of Content Development for The Princeton Review.  Chad Chasteen, Director of Content Development for The Princeton Review, responsible for lead content for their LSAT programming and their book, Cracking the LSAT, shares with us his thoughts about the reasons for last year's robust admissions cycle and his predictions for this year's cycle. Chad talks about the importance of preparation for the LSAT, and the value that The Princeton Review can add for applicants with programs that include such options as a guaranteed score. He advises applicants to consider student experiences, related services, and outcomes from particular law schools in order to determine their best "fit," information that is included in The Princeton Review rankings. Chad explains the reasons he believes the LSAT will continue to be the primary method of evaluating incoming law students, and concludes with additional predictions regarding the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
23:03
November 09, 2021
16. Conversation with Dean and Professor April M. Barton, Duquesne University School of Law
16. Conversation with Dean and Professor April M. Barton, Duquesne University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Dean and Professor April M. Barton, Duquesne University School of Law.  Dean Barton shares with us her passion for a topic she believes is critical for law students, leadership development, and the Leadership Fellows Program started during her tenure that includes 1L Dean Scholars, the leadership of registered student organizations, and other students who self-nominate or are nominated. She describes initial steps to incorporate leadership development into the curriculum for all students, through the required Professional Responsibility course, and how leadership is approached as a mindset, not the result of title or hierarchy. Dean Barton recounts the origin of Duquesne, the only Catholic Spiritan institution in the world, one that was originally created to educate immigrants. Dean Barton explains that the future of Duquesne School of Law is focused on the three pillars of interdisciplinary learning, leadership development, and community well-being. New programs developed under these pillars include a 9 credit business micro-credential, a 1 credit financial toolkit course, and hi-flex opportunities for learning. Topics discussed when considering the future of legal education involved belonging, DEI, and improving access to legal education for those currently underrepresented. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
34:02
November 04, 2021
15. Conversation with Chancellor John Pierre of the Law Center at Southern University
15. Conversation with Chancellor John Pierre of the Law Center at Southern University
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Chancellor John Pierre of the Law Center at Southern University.  Learn from Chancellor John Pierre about how Southern University's Law Center came into existence following desegregation litigation, and the vibrant and diverse student body it currently serves. Chancellor Pierre discusses the Law Center's focus on preparing its graduates for technology in practice and as a tool to increase access to justice, including the incorporation of eBooks and iPads for use by each student. Chancellor Pierre shares the "communiversity" approach of the Law Center, particularly in its clinics that include disaster recovery assistance, and entrepreneurship, and small business advising following a disaster. Chancellor Pierre opines on the future of legal education, and how we need to think more creatively about achieving our goals of increasing diversity of the profession and access to justice, by preparing professionals for more than the single role of a J.D.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:35
November 02, 2021
14. Conversation with Ronald Weich, Dean of University of Baltimore School of Law
14. Conversation with Ronald Weich, Dean of University of Baltimore School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Ronald Weich, Dean of the University of Baltimore School of Law.  Dean Ronald Weich shares with us his non-traditional path from assistant attorney general and chief counsel positions in the Department of Justice and U.S. Senate, respectively, to the position of Dean at the University of Baltimore School of Law. Dean Weich discusses how those experiences inform his current position, and how deans can best interact with students who are passionate about current events and want to see reform in the legal system. Listen as he describes the significant role that experiential education plays in his law school, including a robust clinical program, and discusses the newly created Criminal Justice Reform Center established by a generous alumnus. Dean Weich also predicts how legal education is likely to change, and how it should contribute to solving the access to justice crisis.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:33
October 28, 2021
13. Conversation with Meera E. Deo, Professor of Law at Southwestern Law School, Los Angeles
13. Conversation with Meera E. Deo, Professor of Law at Southwestern Law School, Los Angeles
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Meera E. Deo, Professor of Law at Southwestern Law School, Los Angeles. Professor Meera E. Deo, J.D., Ph.D., from Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles, is a national expert on legal education, racial representation, diversity, equity and inclusion, and also serves as the Director of the Law School Survey of Student Engagement (LSSSE) based at Indiana University-Bloomington. Professor Deo discusses the results of the research for her book, Unequal Profession: Race and Gender in Legal Academia, which examines how race and gender affect faculty and student interactions, as well as tenure/promotion, institutional support and work/life balance. Professor Deo shares her recent work building on her initial studies, research that explores the negative impact that COVID-19 has had on the legal academy, including the disproportionate challenges faced by women and faculty of color. In her role as Director of the LSSSE, she gives a preview of the troubling results forthcoming in this year's annual survey, one that is uniquely poised to provide insight into the experiences of COVID-19 law students. Professor Deo concludes with her opinions regarding what the future of legal education is likely to be, and what it should aspire to be.  Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
39:46
October 26, 2021
12. Conversation with Dean Hari M. Osofsky, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
12. Conversation with Dean Hari M. Osofsky, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Dean Hari M. Osofsky, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law.  Hari M. Osofsky is the Dean and Myra James Bradwell Professor of Law at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law, and Professor of Environmental Policy and Culture at the Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences, positions she has held since summer 2021. Prior to that, she was dean at Penn State Law and Penn State School of International Affairs, serving as a Distinguished Professor of Law, and Professor of International Affairs and of Geography during her four-year tenure at Penn State. Dean Osofsky discusses her reasons for becoming a lawyer and a dean, and for her recent switch to Northwestern during the continuing pandemic. She shares her deep commitment to issues of diversity, equity, inclusion, and social and racial justice, and the numerous roles she has played in advancing collaborative projects across universities and law schools that can address those issues on a systemic level. Dean Osofsky describes her leadership style, the efforts that have aided in keeping a sense of community and gratitude at two different law schools, and her exploration of the intersection of law and technology and how it might address access to justice. She concludes with her expectations for the evolution of legal education in the coming decade. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
40:18
October 21, 2021
11. Conversation with Deborah Jones Merritt, Distinguished Professor of Law Emerita, at The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law
11. Conversation with Deborah Jones Merritt, Distinguished Professor of Law Emerita, at The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Deborah Jones Merritt, Distinguished Professor of Law Emerita, at The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law.  Join us as Deborah Jones Merritt, Distinguished Professor of Law Emerita, at The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, discusses her unusual path to clerking with two historic and iconic justices, Judge (later Justice) Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, and Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court, and select lessons learned from each. Professor Merritt discusses her nationwide empirical study with colleagues at the Institute for the Advancement of the American Legal System (IAALS) that resulted in Building a Better Bar, funded by AccessLex. The study convened 50 focus groups of legal professionals, educators and students across the country in an attempt to identify the skills needed for practice, and what should be measured to determine entry to the Bar. Professor Merritt opines on the value of clinical education as a measure of readiness to be a member of the Bar, and recounts her own impactful experiences as a doctrinal faculty member supervising a criminal defense and prosecutorial clinic, respectively. Those experiences, the study, her scholarship, and work with the ABA's Commission on the Future of Legal Education make her an ideal guest to share predictions on the future of legal education, what it will be, and what it should be. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
36:36
October 19, 2021
10. Conversation with Daniel M. Filler, Dean of Drexel University Thomas R. Kline School of Law
10. Conversation with Daniel M. Filler, Dean of Drexel University Thomas R. Kline School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Daniel M. Filler, Dean of Drexel University Thomas R. Kline School of Law. Dean Daniel M. Filler shares with us the inspirational story of the creation of the Drexel University Thomas R. Kline School of Law less than 20 years ago, and its focus on experiential learning, teaching, and community. Dean Filler discusses his experience in criminal law and the intersectionality of law and technology, and how it informs his leadership as dean. This episode was recorded on the same day that the Kline School of Law announced its new Center for Law and Transformational Technology, an interdisciplinary hub for research and teaching related to legal issues and technology, including blockchain, AI, and neural technology. Dean Filler also predicts how legal education is likely to change, and what will stay the same. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
34:21
October 12, 2021
9. Conversation with Leah Teague, Professor of Law and Director of Leadership Development and Business Law Programs at Baylor University School of Law
9. Conversation with Leah Teague, Professor of Law and Director of Leadership Development and Business Law Programs at Baylor University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Leah Teague, Professor of Law and Director of Business Law Programs at Baylor University School of Law.   You will learn from Professor Teague about her participation in creating a movement in legal education that supports the incorporation of leadership and professional development training across the curriculum, and the importance of preparing law students for their roles as leaders, problem solvers, and influencers in their communities.   Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
34:39
October 05, 2021
8. Conversation with Dean Michael Hunter Schwartz, University of Pacific's McGeorge School of Law
8. Conversation with Dean Michael Hunter Schwartz, University of Pacific's McGeorge School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Dean Michael Hunter Schwartz from the University of Pacific's McGeorge School of Law in California.  You will learn from Dean Schwartz about the inspiration for his acclaimed scholarship and work in teaching and learning, and the evolution of his approach to curricular design, and his implementation of learning theory into the teaching of law. He discusses his book What the Best Law Teachers Do, and the consistent qualities he identified across those featured in the book, and his book, Contracts: A Context and Practice Casebook, was the first in a modernized law textbook series that he designed and now edits. Dean Schwartz also shares the impressive progress McGeorge School of Law has made over the last four years in entering and graduating metrics, as well as fundraising.   Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
35:06
September 30, 2021
7. Conversation with Angela Winfield, Chief Diversity Officer at The Law School Admission Council
7. Conversation with Angela Winfield, Chief Diversity Officer at The Law School Admission Council
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Angela Winfield, Chief Diversity Officer of The Law School Admission Council (LSAC). You will learn from Angela Winfield about her inspirational journey to practicing law and ultimately, to her current position at LSAC, where she provides leadership in developing a unified philosophy to their diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts. At LSAC, Ms. Winfield builds on her prior experience as associate vice president for inclusion and workforce diversity at Cornell University, where her responsibilities included leading the university’s affirmative action and federal contractor compliance programs. Ms. Winfield's authentic experience and reflection remind us of the importance of having a profession where all future lawyers can see themselves represented and shares what LSAC is doing to help achieve that vision. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:11
September 23, 2021
6. Conversation with Neil Hamilton, Holloran Professor of Law & Co-director of the Holloran Center for Ethical Leadership in the Professions
6. Conversation with Neil Hamilton, Holloran Professor of Law & Co-director of the Holloran Center for Ethical Leadership in the Professions
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, your guest is Neil Hamilton, Holloran Professor of Law and Co-director of the Holloran Center for Ethical Leadership in the Professions at St. Thomas School of Law.   You will learn from Professor Hamilton about the need for law schools to help law students form professional identities, and a blueprint for law school faculty and staff to incorporate that professional development and formation throughout the curriculum. Professor Hamilton describes the key transitions during which students benefit from reflection and coaching, and calls for expanded competency-based education in law schools, much like that already utilized in the health professions. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:42
September 16, 2021
5. Conversation with Associate Deans Zoe Niesel and Colin Marks, St. Mary's University School of Law
5. Conversation with Associate Deans Zoe Niesel and Colin Marks, St. Mary's University School of Law
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! St. Mary's University School of Law will welcome the first class in the only fully online J.D. program accredited by the American Bar Association in fall 2022. Listen to Zoe Niesel, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, and Colin Marks, Associate Dean for Strategic Partnerships and Innovation, as they discuss the best practices incorporated into the planning of the program, the process required for approval, the non-pandemic reasons St. Mary's decided to create the fully online J.D. program, and its likely role in the evolution of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
27:18
September 14, 2021
4. Conversation with Kellye Testy, President and CEO of The Law School Admission Council (LSAC)
4. Conversation with Kellye Testy, President and CEO of The Law School Admission Council (LSAC)
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, we hear from Kellye Y. Testy, President and CEO of The Law School Admission Council (LSAC). You will learn from Kellye Testy about her experience as dean of two law schools and President of the AALS, and how those roles inform her current work at LSAC, where her team focuses on increasing access to the profession and serving as a Law Hub that supports law school applicants to J.D., LL.M. and other law programs. Ms. Testy's skill and innovation in leading nonprofit LSAC leverages technology to provide support to higher education institutions and leading organizations in law, education, and business, to promote universal access to justice. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
31:19
September 09, 2021
3. Conversation with Chris Chapman, President and Chief Executive Director of AccessLex
3. Conversation with Chris Chapman, President and Chief Executive Director of AccessLex
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, your guest is Chris Chapman, President and Chief Executive Director of AccessLex.   You will learn from Chris about their efforts at increasing diversity in the legal profession, including through their LexScholars program, about their new bar preparation efforts, and predictions for the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
34:56
September 03, 2021
2: Conversation with Mike Spivey, Founder & Director of Spivey Consulting Group
2: Conversation with Mike Spivey, Founder & Director of Spivey Consulting Group
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, your guest is Mike Spivey, Founder & Director of Spivey Consulting Group.   You will learn more about the historic law school admissions cycle of 2020-2021 and predictions for the upcoming cycle, as well as predictions for the future of legal education. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time! Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
34:38
September 03, 2021
1: Conversation with Kyle McEntee, Executive Director at Law School Transparency
1: Conversation with Kyle McEntee, Executive Director at Law School Transparency
Welcome back to America's leading higher education law podcast, EdUp Legal - part of the EdUp Experience Podcast Network! In this episode, your guest is Kyle McEntee, Executive Director at Law School Transparency.   You will learn more about the evolution in transparency that LST inspired, predictions for legal education in 2025, and suggested changes to help lower tuition, the financial strain on graduates, and increase diversity in law schools. Thank you so much for tuning in. Join us on the next episode for your EdUp time!  Connect with your host - Patty Roberts ● If you want to get involved, leave us a comment or rate us! ● Join the EdUp community at The EdUp Experience! ● Follow EdUp on Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube Thanks for listening!
32:13
August 29, 2021