The Penelope's Loom Podcast
By Penelope's Loom
The Penelope's Loom PodcastMay 08, 2024
ed1: An Introduction to Our Special Series on Education
On this episode, Katie and Emily dive into a new series on education. Katie tells the story of her journey through the various worlds of education (Hillsdale, Liberal Arts, Classical Education, etc) and finally begins a brief description of the answers she has just started to find in Charlotte Mason, David Hicks, Karen Glass, Angelina Stanford, Cindy Rollins, and others. This is just the introduction...
Susan Schaeffer Macaulay’s book For the Children’s Sake
Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins
Consider This by Karen Glass
In Vital Harmony by Karen Glass
Know and Tell by Karen Glass
Norms and Nobility by David Hicks
Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis (had already read but the reread was important.)
The Great Tradition ed. Richard Gamble
The Liberal Arts Tradition by Ravi Jain and Kevin Clark
Dante's Divine Comedy
Virgil's Aeneid
Experiment in Criticism by C.S. Lewis
Educated Imagination and Northrop Frye
Wendell Berry: People, Land, and Community, It All Turns on Affection
Beauty in the Word by Stratford Caldecott
2.6 Exploring the Liturgy with Pastor David Kind
In this episode, Katie is joined by Pastor David Kind from University Lutheran Chapel in Minneapolis, MN. They discuss the history of the liturgy from ancient times to today. They cover topics like how certain familiar ceremonial practices developed, why different churches practice the liturgy differently (or not at all), best practices for introducing a congregation to a new (to them) liturgical practice, and - one of Katie's favorite topics - the lectionary. Pastor Kind explains why the new three year lectionary was adopted by many churches and whether that was a good thing or not for the church as a whole. Listen and enjoy!
Commonplace Quote
“This Divine Service, therefore, can be described as consisting of two main parts, the service of the Word and the Service of the Sacrament; each of which finds its center and acme in the presence of Christ and the giving of His grace. These means of grace are not simply found in the raw, as it were, but are surrounded by what we call liturgy: the words and music that give expression to our need and to our faith and point us to these means of grace as the answer to both.”
“For what is the liturgy but sung prayer and confession in response to and surrounding Christ’s good gifts?”
(from Pastor Kind's About Our Liturgy)
About Our Liturgy by Pastor David Kind
Guaranteed Not to Turn Pink! by Evan Scamman
2.5 Burden or Blessing? How Motherhood Transforms Us
Emily and Katie discuss the transformational nature of motherhood. It is a new identity given to each woman. It is not easy, but neither is it a burden. The discussion comes to focus on the increasingly negative view of motherhood in America as a tremendous burden and miserable "career"; as a "gauntlet", a torture, and a daunting task. Emily remembers her own similar feelings when early on in motherhood and Katie describes the transformation she experienced when she became a mother and the true nature of motherhood that modernity has all but squashed in women. Enjoy!
“Conceived in sin. Carried under her hard, evil heart. Pulled out of her sin-tainted body, so pure, so healthy, so inexpressibly lovely and fresh and innocent. This undeserved beneficence broke her heart in two; crushed with remorse, she lay there with tears welling up out of her soul like blood from a mortal wound.” - Kristin Lavransdatter by Sigrid Undset
“Children make us better people and often better Christians. This is all part of that tether I keep talking about. Our children are tethers, too. They hold us to the past, to our heritage, to our Christianity. As strange as it sounds to our modern ears, we are saved through childbearing (1 Timothy 2:11). Motherhood is a high calling. Civilization depends upon motherhood. I do not believe you should lose yourself so thoroughly in your motherhood that that is all you are. That is not healthy for you or your family. But I do think women need to know that motherhood is a high-value commodity in the market of civilization." - Mere Motherhood by Cindy Rollins
“Real isn’t how you are made. It’s a thing that happens to you. When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you, then you become Real.” - The Velveteen Rabbit by Margery Williams
“Of the many wonderful qualities of Kristin Lavransdatter, one is that it can be read as a thousand-some page answer to the question, what is motherhood for? The answer is salvation.”
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2011/01/under-her-heart
The Mother’s Gauntlet - The American Mind
https://americanmind.org/salvo/the-mothers-gauntlet/
2.4 Advent and Christmas Traditions
With the start of Advent, Emily and Katie discuss all sorts of fun and meaningful aspects of the Advent, Christmas, and even Epiphany seasons. They also talk about listening to Handel's Messiah during these seasons and give some details and information about that work as well as a few guides to increase your enjoyment when listening to it. Enjoy!
Show Notes: "Dear Editor— I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, 'If you see it in The Sun, it’s so.' Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus? Virginia O’Hanlon"
"Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world. You tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding."
- Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus
https://www.villageschoolma.org/pdf/YesVirginiathereisaSantaClaus.pdf
"This quality will be understood by any one who really understands the meaning of the Middle English word solempne. This means something different, but not quite different, from modern English solemn. Like solemn it implies the opposite of what is familiar, free, easy, or ordinary. But unlike solemn it does not suggest gloom, oppression, or austerity.... - C.S. Lewis: Preface to Paradise Lost - Pg 21 (Due to length, quote is continued at link...)
A Christmas Treasury of Yuletide Stories... book (thriftbooks.com)
O Come O Come, Emmanuel - Kloria Press
Saint Nicholas: The Real Story of the Christmas Legend
Messiah: The Greatest Sermon Ever Sung by Tony Pittenger (also available through Kloria). Can be used as a devotional book with children.
JesseTree.pdf (confessionsofahomeschooler.com) - Jesse Tree Advent Study
Jesse Tree: Daily Devotions: Michelle Domin: 9780758665508 - Christianbook.com
Advent Wreath for Building and Playing - Wicking Vicar
George Balanchine's The Nutcracker® | New York City Ballet (nycballet.com) - A history of The Nutcracker ballet as most of us know it; the George Balanchine version influenced ballet companies all over the United States, including ones I was involved with as a child.
The Advent Book
The 12 Days of Christmas: The Story... by Haidle, Helen C. (amazon.com)
The Third Gift book by Linda Sue Park (thriftbooks.com)
All the Household
The Church Year in the Home
2.3 Women Are Human Beings
In his famous essay by the same name, Wendell Berry asks the important question “What are people for?” A similar question could be asked about women. And the answer is connected. He makes the point that people are to be degraded and dehumanized in our current culture. Something similar has happened to women. They’ve been removed completely from their proper context and put into boxes - one side says they belong in a career, they ought to look just like men. The other side says they belong in the home and what they do there is limited. The idea that women are human beings has failed to occur to many.
Show Notes:
“You will find that you cannot help teaching children your own religion, whatever it is. If you are an atheist, that will be clear to them, even if you think you’re teaching nothing but social studies. If a belief in God motivates your life, the children are going to know that, too, whether you ever mention God or not. If you are more interested in money than anything else, that’s not going to escape them. You’ve got to accept the fact that you are basically not teaching a subject, you are teaching children. Subjects can probably be better taught by machines than by you. But if we teach our children only by machines, what will we get? Little machines. They need you, you as persons….What I am is going to make more difference to my own children and those I talk to and teach than anything else I tell them.”
- Madeleine L’Engle from A Circle of Quiet
“May not and ought not the children of these fathers rightly say: "Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this wilderness but they cried unto the Lord, and He heard their voice, and looked on their adversity, etc. Let them therefore praise the Lord, because He is good, and His mercies endure forever. Yea, let them which have been redeemed of the Lord, shew how He hath delivered them from the hand of the oppressor. When they wandered in the; desert wilderness out of the way, and found no city to dwell in, both hungry, and thirsty, their soul was overwhelmed in them. Let them confess before the Lord His loving kindness, and His wonderful works before the sons of men."”
― Quote from William Bradford (1590-1657) from Of Plymouth Plantation, 1620-1647
“It is the properly humbled mind in its proper place that sees truly, because – to give only one reason – it sees details.”
- Wendell Berry - People, Land, and Community
“I . . . have vices, hid, perhaps, from human eye, that bend me to the dust before God, and loudly tell me, when all is mute, that we are formed of the same earth, and breathe the same element. Humanity thus rises naturally out of humility, and twists the cords of love that in various convolutions entangle the heart.”
— Mary Wollstonecraft (1759-1797) from “The Vindication of the Rights of Women.” HT: “The Burden and the Gift,” an Eve Tushnet interview with Erika Bachiochi on The Rights of Women
“Perhaps it is no wonder that the women were first at the Cradle and last at the Cross. They had never known a man like this Man—there had never been such another. A prophet and teacher who never nagged about them, who never flattered or coaxed or patronized; who never made arch jokes about them, never treated either as “The women, God help us!” or “The ladies, God bless them!”; who rebuked without querulousness and praised without condescension; who took their questions and arguments seriously, who never mapped out their sphere for them, never urged them to be “feminine” or jeered at them for being female; who had no ax to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend; who took them as he found them and was completely unself-conscious.”
—Dorothy L. Sayers (1893-1957) from “The Human-Not-Quite Human,” in Are Women Human? Penetrating, Sensible, and Witty Essays on the Role of Women in Society (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2005), 68.
2.2 Passing through the Fire: Pregnancy and Infant Loss
October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month. The 15th of October is the annual day of observance for this type of tragic loss. Emily and Kate decided to dedicate an episode to discussing their own losses and how God grants us the strength and endurance to grieve for our little ones. They also discuss how Scripture gives us the words for expressing our deep sadness and helps all of us comfort one another.
Show Notes:
"Well, wholly well, is it for me to cleave to You, O glorious and ever-blessed Head, on Whom the angels yearn to look. Wherever You go, there will I follow You; if You pass through the fire, I will not be turned from You. I will fear no evil, for You are with me. You carry my griefs, and grieve for my sake; and through the narrow portal of the Passion You enter first, to make a wider passage for Your limbs that follow You." - Bernard of Clairvaux
“Let our prayer be a sweet incense and our faith a victory, that we may go forth in Your power and knowledge and overcome evil. And when You are pleased to try us in the furnace of affliction, comfort us again and again, that we may behold Your glory and praise You.” - General prayer
Job references: Chapter 3, 14, 19, 41-42
2 Corinthians 1:9-10 -
For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life. Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead, 10 who delivered us from so great a death, and does deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us.
Lamentations 3:22-26 NKJV -
22 Through the Lord’s mercies we are not consumed,
Because His compassions fail not.
23 They are new every morning;
Great is Your faithfulness.
24 “The Lord is my portion,” says my soul,
“Therefore I hope in Him!”
25 The Lord is good to those who wait for Him,
To the soul who seeks Him.
26 It is good that one should hope and wait quietly
For the salvation of the Lord.
Lamentations 3:31-33 -
31 For the Lord will not cast off forever.
32 Though He causes grief,
Yet He will show compassion
According to the multitude of His mercies.
33 For He does not afflict [a]willingly,
Nor grieve the children of men.
Psalm 130 -
Out of the depths I have cried to You, O Lord;
2 Lord, hear my voice!
Let Your ears be attentive
To the voice of my supplications.
3 If You, Lord, should [a]mark iniquities,
O Lord, who could stand?
4 But there is forgiveness with You,
That You may be feared.
5 I wait for the Lord, my soul waits,
And in His word I do hope.
6 My soul waits for the Lord
More than those who watch for the morning—
Yes, more than those who watch for the morning.
7 O Israel, hope in the Lord;
For with the Lord there is mercy,
And with Him is abundant redemption.
8 And He shall redeem Israel
From all his iniquities.
Psalm 18:1-6 (selections) -
“The cords of death encompassed me; the torrents of destruction assailed me…the snares of death confronted me….In my distress I called upon the Lord; to my God I cried for help. From His temple He heard my voice, and my cry to Him reached His ears.”
"I long for home, long for the sight of home.
If any god has marked me out again
for shipwreck, my tough heart can undergo it.
What hardship have I not long since endured
at sea, in battle! Let the trial come."
- The Odyssey
“The sob he had fought with so long refused to be beaten. Up and up, it forced its way to the air, and then another, and another, and others thick and fast; till poor Mole at last gave up the struggle, and cried freely and helplessly and openly, now that he knew it was all over and he had lost what he could hardly be said to have found.”
- The Wind in the Willows
A Gift of Time: Continuing Your Pregnancy When Your Baby's Life Is Expected to Be Brief by Amy Kuebelbeck and Deborah L. Davis, Ph.D
2.1 “The Best Company”: Meet Emily Olson
A new season, a new cohost! Meet Emily Olson, wife, mother, writer, teacher, friend, and fellow Christian.
Show notes:
Commonplace Quotes:
It is apparent in our growing awareness that our whole being by its very nature is one vast need; incomplete, preparatory, empty yet cluttered, crying out for Him who can untie things that are now knotted together and tie up things that are still dangling loose. (C.S. Lewis, The Four Loves)
She had often said she wanted to do something splendid, no matter how hard, and now she had her wish, for what could be more beautiful than to devote her life to Father and Mother, trying to make home as happy to them as they had to her? And if difficulties were necessary to increase the splendor of the effort, what could be harder for a restless, ambitious girl than to give up her own hopes, plans, and desires, and cheerfully live for others? (Louisa May Alcott, Little Women)
Other quotes:
'My idea of good company, Mr Elliot, is the company of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation; that is what I call good company.'
'You are mistaken,' said he gently, 'that is not good company; that is the best.'
(Jane Austen, Persuasion)
Find Emily at: https://agoodwilderness.substack.com/
And as always find us at Penelopesloom.org, on Facebook and on Instagram!
Episode 9 - A Conversation about Why Katie and Shannon Love Education (Part 2)
Katie and Shannon continue their discussion about education. They work through some practical questions like how to use a curriculum and what it might look like to "master" a subject before moving on to deeper philosophical questions like what the purpose of education ought to be, what a teacher is, and what the relationship between home and school should be. Enjoy!
Website Link: Penelope's Loom - Classical Education
Commonplace Quotes
Mandell Creighton
Then there is the temptation of practical life. A man pursues knowledge; he takes his earnings at once to the market, and makes use of them. His temptation is to regard knowledge as a commodity, and he treats it as such. Is that not a constant temptation that besets a teacher? No life requires such careful watching of its central motive as does the teacher's life. There is a constant temptation to reduce knowledge within the limits in which it can be most conveniently taught, to consider how it can most easily be foisted by mechanical means into an unreceptive mind. The tendency of our educational system at the present day is to increase tenfold the power of this temptation. The teacher is judged by his capacity to produce definite results, at definite times, in a definite shape. Before such a task how difficult it is to maintain a noble ideal, to keep a real interest in the spread of knowledge as such. It is very hard for the teacher to be true to his “first love”; but unless he is, assuredly his career, however outwardly prosperous and marked by the conventional testimonies of efficiency, will be fruitless of abiding results.
Dorothy Sayers
The sole true end of education is simply this: to teach men how to learn for themselves.
Proverbs 2
My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.
He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path.
When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:
To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;
Which forsaketh the guide of her youth, and forgetteth the covenant of her God.
For her house inclineth unto death, and her paths unto the dead.
None that go unto her return again, neither take they hold of the paths of life.
That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous.
For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
Episode 8 - A Conversation about Why Katie and Shannon Love Education (Part 1)
In this episode, Katie and Shannon begin a discussion about the nebulous topic "classical education." After attempting to distill a description of modern classical education, they move on to discuss their own educational background from learning at home from their parents, to their formal education at the elementary, secondary, and college level. They dive into their personal stories of how each of them came to develop a sense of what education ought to be while recognizing that they have so much more to learn. Enjoy!
Website link: Penelope's Loom - Classical Education
Commonplace Quotes
PlatoThe correct formation of our feelings of pleasure and pain, which makes us hate what we ought to hate from first to last, and love what we ought to love; call this ‘education’, and I, at any rate, think you would be giving it its proper name.
Hesiod
Before the gates of Excellence the high gods have placed sweat
Long is the road thereto and steep and rough at the first.
But when the height is won, then is there ease,
Though grievously hard in the winning.
Episode 7 - A Conversation about Dealing with Discontent
In this episode Katie and Shannon discuss how to face those times of inevitable discontentment in life. They each have their own experience to draw upon as well as a lot of great advice that they have accumulated from others over the years. They explore how the Scriptures address discontent and talk about both how to address discontent with prayer and patience and some practical things that can help break the melancholy and refocus the mind away from oneself during such times. Enjoy!
Visit the website, Penelope's Loom.
Commonplace Quotes
Sir Philip SidneyLeave me, o love, which reachest but to dust; And thou, my mind, aspire to higher things; Grow rich in that which never taketh rust, Whatever fades, but fading pleasures brings. Draw in thy beams, and humble all thy might To that sweet yoke where lasting freedoms be; Which breaks the clouds, and opens forth the light That doth both shine and give us sight to see.
The Four Loves - C.S. LewisIt is apparent in our growing awareness that our whole being by its very nature is one vast need; incomplete, preparatory, empty yet cluttered, crying out for Him who can untie things that are now knotted together and tie up things that are still dangling loose. P. 3
Proverbs 3:5Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the Lord and turn away from evil.
It will be healing to your body
And refreshment to your bones.
Confessions - Augustine of HippoYou stir man to take pleasure in praising you, because you have made us for yourself, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.
Episode 6 - A Conversation about Loving Our Enemies
In this episode Katie and Shannon discuss the difficult question of how to love one's enemies. They dive into distinctions and definitions about friends and enemies and try to make some sense of Jesus's command. Meanwhile, Shannon's little son, John, joins them briefly and they discuss a few commonplace quotes, too. Enjoy!
Visit the website, Penelope's Loom.
Show Notes:
Common Place Quotes:
Richard II by William Shakespeare Act V, Scene V: Richard’s Prison SpeechI have been studying how I may compare
This prison where I live unto the world:
And for because the world is populous
And here is not a creature but myself,
I cannot do it; yet I'll hammer it out.
My brain I'll prove the female to my soul,
My soul the father; and these two beget
A generation of still-breeding thoughts,
And these same thoughts people this little world,
In humours like the people of this world,
For no thought is contented. The better sort,
As thoughts of things divine, are intermix'd
With scruples and do set the word itself
Against the word.
From On Duties by Cicero
"Even in friendships, therefore, when you compare what seems advantageous with right action, the mere appearance of advantage should yield, and right action should prevail. Moreover, when friends ask you to do things that are not right, the scruple of conscience and trustworthiness should take precedence over friendship."
A Poison Tree
by William Blake
I was angry with my friend;
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe:
I told it not, my wrath did grow.
And I water’d it in fears,
Night and morning with my tears:
And I sunned it with smiles,
And with soft deceitful wiles.
And it grew both day and night.
Till it bore an apple bright.
And my foe beheld it shine,
And he knew that it was mine.
And into my garden stole,
When the night had veil’d the pole;
In the morning glad I see;
My foe outstretched beneath the tree.
Mandell Creighton
"Remember that the uttermost penalty was reserved for him who could say to his brother “Thou fool!” because contempt was the most un-godlike quality which man could display. Beware above all things lest a little knowledge only reinforce conceit and lead you into a false world where self is enthroned, far away from the true world which is illuminated by the love of God, manifested in the Person of the Incarnate Word."
Episode 5: A Conversation about Our Country's Disunity
In this episode, Shannon and Katie discuss the nature of the disunity that is so prevalent in our nation's society today. They talk about the possible results of that disunity and the plausibility of reunification efforts. They also discuss what each has been reading and learning about lately and share a few commonplace quotes. Enjoy!
Visit our website, Penelope's Loom.
Show Notes:
John Milton - Areopagitica -
"Though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously by licensing and prohibiting to misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter?"
Bernard of Clairvaux - In Capite Jejunii -
"Well, wholly well, is it for me to cleave to You, O glorious and ever-blessed Head, on Whom the angels yearn to look. Wherever You go, there will I follow You; if You pass through the fire, I will not be turned from You. I will fear no evil, for You are with me. You carry my griefs, and grieve for my sake; and through the narrow portal of the Passion You enter first, to make a wider passage for Your limbs that follow You."
Dorothy Sayers - Lost Tools of Learning -
"For we let our young men and women go out unarmed, in a day when armour was never so necessary. By teaching them all to read, we have left them at the mercy of the printed word. By the invention of the film and the radio, we have made certain that no aversion to reading shall secure them from the incessant battery of words, words, words. They do not know what the words mean; they do not know how to ward them off or blunt their edge or fling them back; they are a prey to words in their emotions instead of being the masters of them in their intellects. We who were scandalised in 1940 when men were sent to fight armoured tanks with rifles, are not scandalised when young men and women are sent into the world to fight massed propaganda with a smattering of "subjects"; and when whole classes and whole nations become hypnotised by the arts of the spell-binder, we have the impudence to be astonished. We dole out lip-service to the importance of education--lip-service and, just occasionally, a little grant of money; we postpone the school leaving-age, and plan to build bigger and better schools; the teachers slave conscientiously in and out of school-hours, till responsibility becomes a burden and a nightmare; and yet, as I believe, all this devoted effort is largely frustrated, because we have lost the tools of learning, and in their absence can only make a botched and piecemeal job of it." P. 10
JD Flynn -
"By now, our disunity is concrete and palpable. Neighbors and family members are living in parallel constructions of reality, with divergent sets of norms, and social taboos, and expectations. We are fragmented in ways that go well beyond our habits of masking, or our opinions on vaccines.
Made clear in everything that has happened is that we are a people — inasmuch as we are one people — with no unified metaphysics, nor epistemology, nor teleology.
We are a nation bound mostly by proximity. And that hardly seems enough to hold."
Episode Artwork: The Reconciliation of Jacob and Esau by Peter Paul Reubens
Episode 4 - A Conversation on the Importance of True Community Part III
Jumping right into a conversation about how men can support women in childbirth, Shannon and Katie attempt to discuss how some of their ideas might be put into practice, wrapping up their discussion about true community. Their conversation touches on how young people ought to be educated about the purpose of marriage and sex and the importance of both those things within true community as well as the purpose of education in general for the continuation and continuity of a unified community and society. Enjoy!
Episode 3 - A Conversation on the Importance of True Community Part II
Episode 2 - A Conversation on the Importance of True Community - Part 1
Special Bonus Episode - A Conversation with Dr. Stephen Saunders about Faith and Psychology
Episode 1 - A Conversation about the Idea for Penelope's Loom, the Name, and...Feminism?
Welcome to our first recorded conversation. We discussed how we developed the idea for Penelope’s Loom, where the name comes from, and then we jumped right into a conversation about Woman’s Craft, feminism, and what we think of when we hear the term womanhood. Enjoy!