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Plant Cunning Podcast

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Plant Resilience. Plants Wisdom. Plant Plants. This podcast, hosted by Isaac Hill and A.C. Stauble brings together a network of people wise to the ways of plants, fungi and the natural world to explore the Mysteries of Nature. We invite herbalists, farmers, mages, fungi experts, community organizers and all kinds of other interesting people to the microphone to share their wisdom and experiences with us. We like to bridge different worlds, make connections, inspire and at times, have our minds blown by our amazing guests. Enjoy!
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Ep.79: Ben LeVine on Life Force, the Science of the Stress Response System, & the Global Herb Trade
In this episode we speak with herbalist, entrepreneur and teacher Ben  LeVine about the science behind why and how adaptogens work, the common  chemistry behind many of these herbs, about going from dumpster diving,  to working at Celestial Seasonings, to co-founding Rasa, an herbal  company that provides coffee alternatives that are "obsessively  sustainable" - and we get into what that means, and how to actually  scale up herbalism in a way that helps heal the earth. If you're interested in attending sliding-scale priced classes on herbalism with AC this month (May 2022) visit her website, to learn more and register. 
May 11, 2022
Ep.78: Medical Astrology with Judith Hill part 2
In this episode, which was first available to the Patrons, we dive into the houses in Medical Astrology, into how to identify a curse, and collective health trends reflected in the skies.  Judith is an incredible person and a wealth of knowledge and these episodes are truly gems. Check out her work at and if you'd like to learn from her online astrology school, see the Academy for Astrological Medicine here,
April 27, 2022
Ep.77: Early Spring Duocast
In this episode we talk about our early spring, what new plants we're starting (Udo, Chinese Licorice, Ground Plum Milkvetch, Bush Morning Glory, Baptisia tinctoria) etc, our favorite episodes since the last duocast, and how they all fit together.  Use our affiliate link to register for free, or purchase the recordings for the Women Working for the Earth Summit: It's happening NEXT weekend, April 16-24, 2022 online with speakers like Winona LaDuke, Rosemary Gladstar, Rocio Alarcon, Linda Black Elk and Leah Penniman sharing their unique ways of working with nature and each other. 
April 13, 2022
Ep.76: Karen Rose on Spiritual Herbalism, Ancestral Healing, and Astrology
Karen Rose has dedicated her life’s work to empowering individuals to  reconnect to their own ancestral traditions, rooted in her native land  of Guyana with a dash of desert life from her time in Arizona and her  many years in Brooklyn, NY. Regarded as a Spiritual Herbalist, Karen is  revered for being the first to teach Spiritual Herbalism, plant medicine  deeply rooted in ancestral healing and spiritual consciousness.  Offering guidance to those on the path to finding the truth, she has  trained over 400 herbalists through her Spiritual Herbalism  Apprenticeship program as an act to reclaim their own health and offer  healing to their own communities.  She's recently come out with an amazing new book: The Art & Practice of Spiritual Herbalism: Transform, Heal & Remember with the Power of Plants and Ancestral Medicine. You can find her on IG and at This is a rich conversation. We touched on topics like ancestral  healing, how grief can hang in the lungs, her favorite plants for heart  healing, what spiritual herbalism means to her and what apprenticing  with her may be like. It was an honor and a pleasure to learn about  Karen's life and her work. Enjoy the episode.   Upcoming Free Live Event on Earth Day Weekend: The ONE Summit or Women Working for the Earth Summit is going to be well  worth checking out for some heart soothing, inspiring and connecting  listening from some of the most incredible activists, healers, nature  lovers of our time. This event led by @natureevolutionaries is happening  the weekend of Earth Day, April 21st - 24th, 2022 and features over 30  speakers.  Use our affiliate link to check out the Women Working for the Earth  Summit here:  to support us if you decide to purchase the all access pass for the  recordings (it's $67 and they give us a generous half of that).  Check  out the speakers of the summit and the topics that they are going to  share with the world. It's pretty amazing. To name a few: Winona LaDuke,  Leah Penniman, Tammi Sweet, Rosemary Gladstar, Rosita Arvigo and many  inspiring plant people. Ya'all will love it.
April 06, 2022
Ep.75: Anima Pundeer and Stories of a Spiritual Seeker and Finder
In this episode we interview Anima Pundeer, a spiritual friend of  Isaac's. We talk about what she knows for sure, who she really is,  growing up in rural India and moving to the US where she found a group  of like minded aspirants, and answers to her deepest questions. She recently wrote a book called Always Right Behind You: Parables & Poems of Love & Completion with Art Ticknor, who was on episode 34 of the podcast.  She's also speaking at the TAT Foundation April meeting near Durham NC, if you're interested.  If you'd like to become a patron, go to
March 30, 2022
Ep.74: Sophie Strand on Mychorrhizal Myths, Magic and Golden Roses
Sophie is a Writer, Neo-Troubadour Animist, Compost Heap from the Hudson  Valley, with two titles forthcoming from Inner Traditions. In this  episode we speak with her about coming to learn from plants and  mushrooms after a difficult diagnosis, about how stories saved her life,  and why she loves to write, about the importance of seeing myths within  their ecological framework, and a magical story about a golden rose.   You can find her at:, on IG (@Cosmogyny), FB, and SubStack. If you like this show, and want to support it, go to
March 23, 2022
Ep.73: The Herbal Entrepreneur with Yolanda Joy
In this episode we speak with herbalist Yolanda Joy about growing up in Australia, moving to Italy, and falling in love with plants like Elderberry and Yarrow after only having met them before in fantasy books. We talk about how she studied pharmacy, transitioned to herbalism, and the change in worldview that entailed. We also talk about how she started the wildly successful Herbal Entrepreneur Conference after wanting to start an herbal business, but not finding any resources for it, she decided to make it happen- not just for herself but for all of us to benefit from too! Click here to learn more about the Herbal Entrepreneur Conference using our affiliate link so that we can get credit for any referrals. The Conference takes place March 21-27, 2022. AC is joining an amazing list of speakers including Rosemary Gladstar, Margi Flint, Sajah Popham and more. AC's talk is on Friday, March 25th 10am EST to speak about getting a Certified Kitchen for herbal businesses. The Herbal Entrepreneur Conference is a different event than what we talked about in the intro last week, which is The Plant Spirit Herbalism Summit hosted by Sara Artemsia which is taking place online March 18-20th, 2022. So you can do both! They are both free to attend. It's a busy week in the herb world and I love it. Conferences, Summits, Course Launches galore because it's the Spring Equinox weekend and we are starting to send up our little green shoots to share our medicine with the world. Here is the affiliate link for Plant Spirit Herbalism Summit again to make it easy for you to learn more.
March 16, 2022
Ep.72: Peter Mark Adams on The Power of the Healing Field, Energy Medicine and Ancestral Healing
In this episode we speak with author, poet, esotericist, and energy  healing practitioner about his new book The Power of the Healing Field:  Energy Medicine, Psi Abilities, and Ancestral Healing, some of the  different modalities available that work with subtle energies, from EFT  (meridian tapping), to Reiki, to Mind Connection Healing (that his  partner Kenzie developed) and more! We talk about different states of  consciousness, from rational to intuitive, empathetic to psychic and all  the way up to unitive mystical states. We talk about entity attachment  and removal, about the importance of coming from a place of service,  what the "Field" is, and the ethical framework integral to it.   There's also an upcoming event we share about in the intro called the  Plant Spirit Herbalism Summit hosted by our friend Sara Artemisia (see  Episode 36 of our podcast to listen to us interviewing her). Use this  link to view more info, register for free or purchase the all-access  pass for the weekends' recordings  That's our unique affiliate link so we will be getting a percentage of  any sales, so it's a great way to support the show while soaking up the  wisdom of some amazing plant people like Rosemary Gladstar, Matthew  Wood, Margi Flint and many more. The event is March 18-20th online and  has 33 amazing speakers total sharing about their special connection to  plants. See you there.
March 09, 2022
Ep.71: Super Natural: Rachelle Robinett on Herbs, Supplements and Lifestyle
In this episode we speak with NYC based herbalist and entrepreneur Rachelle Robinett about helping people craft healthy lifestyles with tools like herbs, supplements, and intermittent fasting. We get into adaptogens, plant based diets, when supplements are necessary and how to balance a busy, productive lifestyle with taking care of yourself. You can find Rachelle at and on Instagram at @rachellerobinett And you can support the show at
March 02, 2022
Ep.70: Energetic Herbalism with Kat Maier
In this episode we talk with herbalist, educator and author Kat Maier about energetic herbalism, the topics discussed in her new book Energetic Herbalism: A Guide to Sacred Plant Traditions Integrating Elements of Vitalism, Ayurveda and Chinese Medicine. We talk about what energetics are, and why they're important. If you know you're hot, taking hot herbs might make you too hot! So we get into the "doshas" (vata, pitta, kapha) the "tissue states" (hot, cold, dry, damp, tense and lax) and touch on five element theory and vital energy. We had a lot of fun speaking with Kat, and you can find her at And you can support the podcast and gain access to exclusive content at
February 23, 2022
Ep.69: The Delightful Phyllis D. Light on Southern Folk Medicine
Phyllis is a well respected traditional Southern Appalachian herbalist, who was raised in a family of folk herbalists and midwives going back at least 4 generations. In this episode we speak with her about her beautifully diverse ecoregion, about growing up in a family of healers, about some of her herbal mentors like the legendary Tommie Bass, about Southern Folk Medicine, the importance of decoctions, Wild Yam (Dioscorea villosa) and much more! You can find Phyllis at and part 2 at
February 16, 2022
Ep.68: Mid-Winter Duocast
AC & Isaac reflect on the last dozen or so episodes since our most recent DuoCast. CW: We talk about harvesting and eating animals in this one.  Also, if you want to be in on the live recording of our interview with Kat Maier next week (Feb 16th at 1pm EST), and ask questions, become a Patron and RSVP!  We welcome comments, questions and feedback at PlantCunning at gmail .com
February 09, 2022
Ep.67: Medical Astrology with Judith Hill
This is a fabulous episode where we dive into the field of medical astrology with legendary author, astrologer, researcher, educator and herbalist Judith Hill. She has written several comprehensive books on astrology that we have been devouring here at the homestead lately and it was a pleasure to get to pick her brain on some of the nuances of medical astrology from an herbalist perspective. This is a two part episode. In this part we learn about Judiths' background, define medical astrology and how it can be helpful to medical practitioners for example how to find out the seat of chronic health concerns using the birth chart and some tips for remediation. Judith tells us about the history of medical astrology and how it became divorced from the mainstream medical practice along with herbalism, homeopathy, midwifery and the like. We learned about her research that helps to prove the efficacy of astrology through the prediction of earthquakes based on astrology. Part two is available on our Patreon page, where we get into how to use astrology for fertility, to work with our vital force, and how to differentiate physical health problems (constipation, having worms, etc.) in a person from supernatural problems like hexes, possession or elf shot. We also talk about the pressure and bullying that so many herbalists and natural medicine practitioners feel to conform to the modern western medical model that rejects astrology despite all of the evidence proving its merit. Judith is an incredible person and a wealth of knowledge and these episodes are truly gems. Check out her work at and if you'd like to learn from her online astrology school, see the Academy for Astrological Medicine here,
February 03, 2022
Ep.66: Rebecca Beyer on Wild Witchcraft, Sochan, Poke, Elderberry, Mandrake (and more!)
In this episode we interview herbalist, tattoo artist, folk magician, and author Rebecca Beyer (who you can find on IG at @Bloodandspicebush) about her new book Wild Witchcraft: Folk Herbalism, Garden Magic, and Foraging for Spells, Rituals, and Remedies, gardening, wild crafting, wild tending, and some magical, herbal and edible uses of plants like Poke (Phytolacca americana), Sochan (Rudbeckia laciniata), Elderberry (Sambucus spp.), Mandrake (Mandragora officinarum)  and more! Here's Isaac's version of True Thomas: And as usual, you can support the podcast at
January 26, 2022
Ep. 65: Dr. Wolf-Dieter Storl on Culture and Horticulture
In this episode we speak with Dr. Storl about connecting with plants from a young age, studying botany and being dissatisfied, anthropology, ethnobotany, biodynamic gardening, and so much more! You can find his books in English (most of his writing is in German) at Also, we will be recording a live show with Kat Maier, the author of Energetic Herbalism: A Guide to Sacred Plant Traditions Integrating Elements of Vitalism, Ayurveda and Chinese Medicine on Feb 16, at 1 pm Eastern, which will be open to our Patreon patrons to join and ask questions. We'll be sending out invitations to patrons in the next few weeks, so if you'd like to join, find us at
January 19, 2022
Ep.64: Sean Dembrosky of Edible Acres on Gardening, Permaculture, Ponds and Persimmons
In this episode we speak with Sean, who is a gardener/permaculturist, nurseryman, and YouTuber about how he got into gardening, his gardening philosophy, hand dug ponds, and we geek out on some of our favorite plants including Schisandra chinensis and Diospyros virginiana. You can find him at and us at
January 12, 2022
Ep.63: Ashkenazi Herbalism with Deatra Cohen and Adam Siegel
In this episode we speak with Deatra and Adam about rediscovering the lost herbal traditions of Eastern European Jews. We talk about the kinds of folk healers, from the ba'alei shem and feldshers to the opshprekherin folk magicians and midwives. We talk about how this knowledge came to be lost, how Deatra found the key to the herbal practices in an old book, and we talk about some of the actual plants that these healers used, from Aristolochia clematatis to Hypericum perforatum. A wonderful conversation of history and ethnobotany. You can find the book at most places you'd buy a book, and Adam and Deatra on Instagram and at their website, And you can support the podcast at
January 05, 2022
Ep.62: The Astrology of 2022 with Zamboni Funk
We welcome Zamboni Funk back on the show to talk about the year ahead. First we start with the context and the bigger picture with the 200 year Saturn and Jupiter cycle, the 84 year Uranus cycle, and then get into the nitty gritty of what all the planets are doing in 2022. We look at a few dates that are really good for certain activities: Early April is good for a concert or party, April 8th is good for dreaming big, May is great for starting garden projects, and there's plenty of time this summer to get into fights, if that's what you're looking for! We had a lot of fun with Zamboni, and wish you all a happy New Year! You can find Zamboni on Instagram at @ZamboniFunk and Patreon at And you can support the podcast at
December 29, 2021
Ep.61: Matthew Wood on Holistic Medicine and the Extracellular Matrix
Matthew Wood is an herbalist, educator (at the Matthew Wood institute of Herbalism), and author of several modern classics of American herbalism. His new book, Holistic Medicine and the Extracellular Matrix: The Science of Healing at the Cellular Level helps holistic practitioners validate what we knew all along: this stuff works! In episode we get into the nitty gritty of what the extracellular matrix is, how it works, how it validates holistic modalities like herbalism, cell salts, flower essences and more, and some of the herbs that work directly on the matrix like Red Clover, mushrooms like Reishi and Chaga, and mucilaginous plants like Marshmallow and Opuntia. We also get into some of the problems with modern medical-pharmaceutical-industrial complex and the work of Dr. Don Ingber with Tensegrity and the ECM.
December 22, 2021
Ep.60: Rosita Arvigo and Mayan Medicine
Rosita Arvigo is an herbalist, ethnobotanist, Doctor of naprapathy, author and teacher living in Belize. You can find her website at In this episode we speak about her grandmothers taking her foraging for wild plants in Chicago as a young child, about moving to Mexico in the early 70s to resist the Vietnam war, about moving to Belize and meeting the traditional Mayan healer Don Elijio Panti, who she studied with for 17 years until his death at age 103. We talk about spiritual bathing, the essence of spiritual healing, some of her favorite plants, and her technique of abdominal massage that has helped many people all over the world transform their health. Also, we are starting to release some videos on Youtube, and you can support the podcast at
December 15, 2021
Ep.59: Journeys with Plant Spirits and Psychic Hygiene with Emma Farrell
In this episode we speak with Emma Farrell, who is a plant spirit healer, geomancer and author of the new book Journeys with Plant Spirits: Plant Consciousness Healing and Natural Magic Practices and in this episode we speak with her about plants as spiritual teachers and allies, the importance of psychic hygiene, how our energy bodies get blocked and damaged, and how to repair them. We also talk about some of her favorite plant allies like elder and mugwort. You can find her at and find part two of this interview at
December 08, 2021
Ep:58 Landrace Gardening with Joseph Lofthouse Part 1
This is such a great chat with a grower, seed saver, author, and generally great person, Joseph Lofhouse. If you are interested in gardening, homesteading, farming and seed saving at all you're absolutely going to love this episode. We talk about biodiversity, promiscuous planting, food security, plant varieties he loves and how he works with the weeds, insects, and animals in harmonious ways in his gardens. This is the first half of the episode, available here for free. The second half is available as a bonus to our Patrons over at for $9/month. You can sign up for just this month if you'd like to listen in. is where to find Josephs' self published book, "Landrace Gardening: Food Security Through Biodiversity and Promiscuous Pollination" and learn more about his work. If you're interested in supporting AC's community herbalism work by purchasing herbal remedies like skin salve, muscle rub, tinctures, and gift kits go to  and use the discount code "PlantCunning21" to receive free shipping on up to 5 orders for the whole month of December.
December 01, 2021
Ep.57: Big Magical Incense Energy with Sara Mastros
Sara is a witch for hire, teacher and author living in Pittsburgh, PA. She just came out with The Big Book of Magical Incense from Red Wheel/Weiser, and will be presenting at the Sacred Space Conference in Baltimore this January. We have a wonderful chat about magic, incense, and some of her favorite plants, including White Pine, Rose, Tobacco, and Mugwort.  You can support the podcast at
November 24, 2021
Ep.56: Rosemary Gladstar & the People's Medicine
In this episode we are thrilled to speak with the fairy godmother of American herbalism herself, Rosemary Gladstar! The topics include her herbal elders, her favorite herbal allies including common plants like plantain and yarrow, and plants like schisandra, spilanthes and rhodiola. We talk about what makes an herbalist, and her long time mission to help bring back herbalism to the people as a people's medicine. We also go into how to be of service to others and taking care of yourself, and much else besides! She has courses at You can help support the podcast by becoming a patron at
November 17, 2021
Ep.55: Astro-Herbalism with Sarah Corbett
In part one of this episode we explore astro-herbalism in it's simple practicality as well as the depth of it's complexity, and touch on medical astrology, planetary correspondences, history, temperaments, energetics, and cultivating relationships with plants and planets by understanding their shared connections.  You can find part two at for patrons of $9 and up. Sarah Corbett is a clinical herbalist, nutritionist, and medical astrologer who is passionate about helping others come into relationship with the natural world. She is the founder of Rowan + Sage, where she shares handcrafted astrologically-infused herbal products, works with clients in her clinical practice, and guides others on their plant path through educational programs and mentorship. Sarah’s work weaves together the old ways with the new to create powerful, evidence-based offerings that bring forth ancestral herbal wisdom with a touch of magic and mysticism. Connect with Sarah and learn more about her work via her website or on Instagram @rowanandsage. To learn more about her school on astroherbalism with Diana Rose Harper you can check out Caeleste Natura
November 11, 2021
Ep.54: DuoCast First Snow/Short Check In
In this duo cast we share what it is like at our Central NY homestead as we prepare for our third winter on this land, shout out our Patrons, talk about media fasting and elimination diets and discuss the upcoming online class with Botanicwise we are excited to share. Learn more about the program Food for Optimal Health with Paul Bergner using our affiliate link: The program starts next Tuesday, November 9th so be sure to sign up today if you're interested.  AC will be in Brooklyn, NY this weekend vending her Traveling Herb Farmer herbal products at the FAD Early Bird Holiday Market if you're in NYC come say hello. 
November 03, 2021
Ep.53: Old English Plant Lore with Stephen Pollington
Stephen Pollington is an accomplished author and historian with a focus on the Anglo-Saxon period and the Old English language. He's written many books on these subjects and today's episode is about, "Leechcraft: Early English Charms, Plant Lore and Healing." We learned how difficult it is to translate these old texts with discrepancies among the various copies and missing sections, it's like you have to be part detective as well to figure out what plant they were actually talking about. Stephen gave us some insights on Medieval understandings of the origins of disease and some of the main types of healing modalities they used such as spell healing, knife healing, and herb healing. We discuss animist ideas (as we do) regarding how folks would chant directly to the plants themselves rather than pray or chant to a divinity or god in the 9 Herbs Charm. We highlighted a bit about runes, chants, plants and the thundergod Thor or Thunar. Stephen is a joy to listen to and we hope you learn as much from this episode as we did. 
October 27, 2021
Ep.52: The Wealth of Nature with John Michael Greer
We welcome widely respected author, occultist, druid and blogger John Michael Greer back to the Plant Cunning Podcast to talk about the new edition of his book The Wealth of Nations: Economics as if Survival Mattered, what wealth is, how the whole economy is very much dependent on nature, how to invest in a declining economy, and why moving to the country to start a commune from scratch doesn't work out most of the time. For those of you who wish to hear more, we have a bonus episode in which JMG discusses biochemic cell salts, homeopathy, 19th and early 20th century occultism and the energy body at for our $9 and up patrons.  You can buy JMG's book at and read his blog at
October 20, 2021
Ep.51: The Artisan Herbalist with Bevin Cohen
Bevin is an herbalist, educator, homesteader and author of several books, including The Artisan Herbalist, which is a really good manual for making teas, tinctures, salves, oils, and start an herbal products business. He also has a book called Saving Our Seeds about seed saving. We talk about both of these books, about how to balance getting stuff done with not burning out, and paying the bills with making inexpensive, but high quality locals products. We also talk about how he and his partner press their own oils from seeds, and we have a great time. His website is  And our Patreon is
October 13, 2021
Ep.50: Pam Montgomery on Spiritual Ecology (part 1)
In this episode we dig deep into spiritual ecology with Pam Montgomery, talking about plants as elders, who can help guide us towards right relationship with the Earth, the Spirits of plants, nature spirits, and the whole more than human world. She also gives some very practical advice for plant communication, and shows how you can work with Plant Spirit Allies using many different modalities.  You can find Pam's website at and be sure to get her classic book Plant Spirit Healing (which you can do at her website!) And you can find part two at for Patrons of $9 + Pam Montgomery is an herbalist, author, international teacher and plant spirit healing practitioner who has passionately embraced her role as a spokesperson for the green beings and has been investigating plants and their intelligent spiritual nature for more than three decades.  She is the author of two books one of which is the highly acclaimed Plant Spirit Healing; A Guide to Working with Plant Consciousness. She teaches internationally and virtually on plant spirit healing, spiritual ecology and co-creative partnership with nature. She is a founding member of United Plant Savers and more recently the Organization of Nature Evolutionaries or ONE. Her latest passion is to engage ceremonially in full symbiosis within the plant/human matrix where the elder common plants initiate and guide us into being truly human.
October 06, 2021
Ep.49: Autumn Equinox Duocast
In this episode, AC and Isaac talk about plans for the podcast, the wonderful harvest season and all the globular fruits (puffballs, apples, pumpkins, potatoes, hawthorns, etc), the amazing daikon radish, the amazing wine cap stropheria, some of our favorite master recipes (hot and sour soup, "palaak paneer", pesto), the glorious sun, and cleaning out the barns! Let us hear your feedback by emailing plantcunning at And join our fantastic patrons at
September 22, 2021
Ep.48: Swapcast with Mel Mutterspaugh of The Herbalist's Path
We have a great time with Mountain Mel, talking about each of our plant paths, how to run an herbal business (she has a successful one!), and what's in our herbal library. Check her out at: The Herbalists's Path Support us at
September 15, 2021
Ep.47: Seasons of a Magical Life with Byron Ballard
We welcome the village witch of Asheville back to the podcast and have a lovely, but deep and heavy chat about seasonal celebrations, cycles, death, loss and acceptance. This is part 1 of the interview, part 2 is available for our $9 and up patrons at Find Seasons of a Magical Life:A Pagan Path of Living at any local bookstore! Byron on IG @ByronBallard5789 on Facebook, Twitter and
September 08, 2021
Ep.46: The 'Pawpaw' of Pawpaws with Neal Peterson
In this episode we speak with Neal Peterson, who has devoted over 40 years to breeding pawpaws (Asimina triloba). We talk about how he first fell in love with this delicious fruit, how he tracked down the remnants of the early 20th century pawpaw collections just in time, and selected 7 superior pawpaw cultivars out of 1,500 seedlings. You can find his website at: And support the podcast at:
August 25, 2021
Ep.45: Eric Joseph Lewis and the Yoga of Plants pt. 2
In  this episode we speak with Eric about some more of his favorite plants, including sweet potato, hickory and chestnut, about how to start a DIY nursery, selecting genetics for nursery stock, the secret of how to eat sunchokes so you don't gas out all your friends, and some very important appropriate technologies. You can find him on facebook as Eric Joseph Lewis, and on Instragram at @ericjosephlewisplants, and the nursery he is affiliated with is Plant Path Nursery You can support the podcast at
August 11, 2021
Ep.44: Eric Joseph Lewis and the Yoga of Plants pt. 1
In this episode we speak with Eric about getting interested in plants after finding out he was living in a field of lowbush blueberries, the influence of Frank Cook, natural male birth control with Papaya seeds, and some of his favorite plants. You can find him on facebook as Eric Joseph Lewis, and on Instragram at @ericjosephlewisplants, and the nursery he is affiliated with is Plant Path Nursery You can support the podcast at
August 04, 2021
Ep.43: Mark Stavish on Alchemy and the Future of Esotericism
We speak with esotericist, author and director of studies for the Institute for Hermetic Studies, Mark Stavish, about alchemy and spagyrics, always keeping the end goal in mind, the purpose and the future of esotericism, the importance of group work, and how to build an effective group.
July 28, 2021
Ep.42: High Summer, Deep Time Duocast
The number 42 is AC's fav and we talk about why briefly. We draw inspiration from some of our previous episodes and dive a bit deeper into some topics discussed like diversity, dissensus (and do-ocracies), climate crisis, grief and how to throw mud at walls. Of course, discussing plants is also a big part of the episode. We talk about wild flowers, weeds, cottage gardens and dumpstered potatoes. 
July 21, 2021
Ep.41: Exploring Microanimism with Dr. Siv Watkins
In this episode we speak with Siv about the wide world of the "smalls", how to interact with microbes as people, where humans ends and bacteria begins, horses, and lots more fun. You can find Siv at and you can support the podcast at
July 14, 2021
Ep.40: Janet Kent and Radical Vitalism
In this episode we speak with Janet Kent about learning herbalism as a young punk, starting Terra Sylva School of Botanical Medicine, radical vitalism, the autonomic nervous system (and herbs for that!), and her famous "grief relief" formula (which she shared with us and is posted below!) Acute Grief Tincture Hawthorn (Berries, Flowers or both) 4 parts Peach leaf 3 parts Motherwort 2 parts Kava kava 2 parts Anemone 1 part "Also,  if people want my zines, Ease Your Mind:  Herbs for Mental Health and  Under Pressure:  Herbs for Resilience by writing me at  medicinecountyherbs@gmail or messaging me @radicalvitalism on Instagram." Radical Vitalism  essay Herbalism in an Age of Mass Extinction, two essays You are Nature essay Janet and Dave's podcast Season one we discuss Donna Haraway's Staying with the Trouble. Season two we discuss Sylvia Federici's Caliban and the Witch.
July 07, 2021
Ep.39: Macrocosm, Microcosm, & the Beauty of Science with Guido Masé
In this episode we speak with herbalist Guido Masé about consciousness, will, the beauty of science, how herbalism helps him unite his love of science with his love of spirit (and plants!) We talk about the importance of phytochemical diversity, "wild plant deficiency syndrome",  and dancing with darkness.  You can support the podcast at
June 30, 2021
Ep.38: Going Off The Trail with Jain Alcock-White
In this episode we speak with Jain about growing up with a botanist in the backyard, helping folks connect to nature (even if they didn't grow up with a botanist in the backyard), herbal cakes, being a park ranger, and going off the trail.  You can find her at: and on IG at @champagne.hill.botanicals
June 23, 2021
Bonus Ep.2: Teaser: How to Grow Your Dream Garden on a Budget
This is a teaser of our bonus episode for our $9 & up Patreon tiers. If you want to support us, you can do so at and be the first to receive content like this! ...We have been gardening on a budget for many years and these are some of our favorite ways and places to get plants from. Plant prices at nurseries and green houses are expensive and just getting more and more pricey. We go into depth on how to propagate plants from seed, cuttings, or divisions, explaining each of those ways in detail. Then we list some of the best places we have found plants ranging from friends gardens to the Walmart parking lot. We hope you enjoy the episode and are inspired to start saving seeds and looking under trees this year (for little seedlings popping up of course)....
June 18, 2021
Ep.37: Plant Music with Loretta Maps Bolt
Biotunes Cannatunes Ginseng Guided meditation spa kit Other stuff Damanhur Plants Play Cleave Baxter       Loretta "Maps Bolt" Hord is an artist,  innovator, technoshaman, and paradigm changer focused on interspecies  collaboration. After studying environmental law at the SUNY College of  Environmental Sciences and Forestry she began trying her hand at  biodynamic farming, environmental education, and geo locative coding.  Since then, Maps Bolt creates  realistic pathways for humanity to manifest deeper connections with the  natural world through animistic perspectives and technology.   Maps Bolt looks to be eclectic in her  experiences and use them to facilitate her work. Constantly learning new  skills in coding, alternative artistic methods, and AR/VR development,  she works to connect all of these disciplines into the pioneering of  plant music applications and provides a unique user experience that  makes plant vitality evident through sound.        As founder of Biotunes, she  uses multi-media, multi-sensory applications that translates  bio-rhythmic energy of the plant into musical notes and a cymatic visual  projection. Her strongest influences has been the works of other  researchers and scientists such as Monica Gagliano, author ot "Thus  Spoke the Plant", Cleave Baxter who first transmitted data from plants,  or Jeremy Narby who stated in his 2012 Bioneers presentation “The way  the shamans describe it, the spirits of nature, or the essences, are  themselves melodies. When they perceive these different entities, if you  pay careful attention, they vibrate out a melody. And the work of the  shaman is to pick up the given melodies of each species.”   This  statement best expresses the core of Maps work with plants and creating  immersive experiences that engage the public. Her work is also  influenced by the notion of "hikoi", a Maori term for pilgrimage.    Through the engagement of making  music with plants by translating the electrical impulses into musical  notes, questions about who gets to belong, who makes the decisions, and  what is considered valuable in the conservation world arises. Combining  plant generated soundscapes with geolocative tools, allows for the  creation of “songlines” - geo-triggered audio tours of ethnobotanical  communities .  When the music made by plants are connected to gps  location, the plants song will automatically play through a mobile app  when approaching each individual plant species. The placement of the  songlines are often in in publically accessible forests and gardens.
June 16, 2021
Ep.36: Sara Artemisia on Flower Essences, Akashic Records, and Money
In this episode we dive deep into flower essences with Sara Artemisia; what they are, how to make them, how to use them. We also talk about Akashic Records and money! You can find Sara at and you can support this podcast at
June 09, 2021
Ep.35: Richo Cech and the Secrets of Seeds
In this episode we speak with Richo Cech of Strictly Medicinal Seeds about how he first started germinating seeds as a young lad, how he visited East Africa as an older, but still young lad, and came back with seeds! We dive deep into Tulsi, talk about direct seeding, how to thin plants, and how you shouldn't always listen to Mandrake! 
June 02, 2021
Ep.34: Self Realization with Art Ticknor
In this episode we talk with one of my mentors, Art Ticknor, about Self-Realization, meditation, confrontation, celibacy, and the legacy of his teacher, Richard Rose. You can find him at and you can find out about the June TAT meeting at: You can support the podcast at
May 26, 2021
Ep.33: DuoCast on High Spring and Flowers!
A little duo-cast with AC & Isaac!
May 20, 2021
Ep.32: Kami McBride on Kitchen Culture and Plant Communication
We have a great time talking with Kami McBride about growing up in Northern California, learning to fish and forage with her grandfather, meeting Rosemary Gladstar at 22, and finding her inspiration of working with herbs. We talk about her book The Herbal Kitchen and how you can bring herbs into your everyday life by utilizing them in recipes. We talk about carminitives and gut health. And we have a great conversation about plant communication, and how she has helped her students remember and rediscover their inherent connection to the natural world and to plants, and how easy, natural and intuitive plant communication is. You can find her at And you can find our Patron at
May 12, 2021
Ep.31: Darrell Frey on Permaculture, Bioshelters, and Ecological Succession
In this episode we speak with Isaac's permaculture teacher Darrell Frey, of Three Sister's Permaculture, and the Permaculture Institute of North America about growing up drinking out of springs, snacking on cucumber root and trout fishing in the forests of Pennsylvania, of meeting Bill Mollison and getting inspired to start his own permaculture project, building a bioshelter (and what that is.) We also talk about finding a fungus that eats thripps, aphids and whiteflies, and how he would culture it to keep the bioshelter free of pests. We talk about ecological succession, and how Goldenrod can keep a prairie in a holding pattern for decades by inhibiting the germination of tree seeds. We also talk about the amazing, ancient forest gardens of French Creek in NW PA, and about forest gardening. He's got two wonderful books out, one is Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm, and the other is The Food Forest Handbook with co-author Michelle Czolba.  You can find our patreon at
May 05, 2021
Ep.30: Spiritual Herbalism with Anjanae Wilson
In this episode we dive deep into how plants like Rose, Hawthorne, Ginger, and mushrooms like Reishi can assist in the great work of self-transformation, about Anjanae's "spiritual glow-up" and studying with Karen Rose. We had a great time and hope you enjoy! You can find Anjanae at:, on IG @RoseGoldAlchemy, and on YouTube at And you can find us on Patreon at
April 28, 2021
Ep. 29: Luke Eastwood, the Druid Horticulturalist
We had a lot of fun talking with Luke about Druidry, the Industrial Revolution, environmental activism, his favorite plants, and his new book A Druid Garden. You can find him at And you can support the podcast at
April 21, 2021
Ep.28: Notes of an Appalachian Conjure Man with Jake Richards
In this episode we speak with Jake Richards, author of Backwoods Witchcraft: Conjure & Folk Magic From Appalachia and Doctoring the Devil: Notebooks of an Appalachian Conjure Man and have a blast talking about the plants he uses in his practice, magical ethics, working with animal spirits, his ancestors and how to deal with hard to handle ancestors, and lots more! You can find him on IG at and his books wherever fine books are sold! You can find the Plant Cunning Podcast Patreon at:
April 14, 2021
Ep.27: Foraging & Teaching with Dina Falconi
Dina is an herbalist, permaculturist, author and educator from New York. We speak with her about growing up in New York City, the forgotten memories of her early childhood in Mexico, becoming serious about food as medicine at the age of 11, her mentors and teachers, how important diet is to health, and much more! We had a blast, and hope you enjoy the episode! She'll be opening registration for her online courses from April 10  to April 17th. To access online course sale one would go to this site: And this is her other site specific to Foraging & Feasting book, blog, events calendar, etc: And check out our patreon at
April 07, 2021
Ep26: Astrological Magic with Christopher Warnock
Check out Christopher Warnock's brimming library of information on traditional astrology, as well as links to his talismans and courses, at  And find the Plant Cunning Patreon at (it really helps!)
March 31, 2021
Ep25: Raqueeb Bey on Urban Agriculture & Community Organizing
Queeba is a urban agriculturalist, community organizer and mother living in Pittsburgh, PA. In this episode, we speak with her about the wonder of bees,  how to engage children with growing their own food, working on collective projects, the importance of food access, working with heavy metal contamination in city soils, and starting a community food co-op in Homewood.  As she says, "I'm stubborn about my goals, but flexible about my methods."  You can find the Black Urban Gardeners and Farmers of Pittsburgh at and Mamma Africa's Greenscouts at and if you're in Pittsburgh, they're having a workday on April 10th from 12-4 pm! And you can find our Patreon at
March 24, 2021
Ep24: Exploring Magic and Permaculture with Gordon White
Check out Gordon at and become one of the first Plant Cunning Patrons at It was a lot of fun to get Gordon's takes on magic, animism, neoplatonism, materialism and permaculture in this conversation. We also talk about how he summoned a dragon to save his farm, which he's told before on his podcast but gives us chills, and asked him to recount it for us!1
March 17, 2021
Ep23: Considering Cannabis with Tammi Sweet
Check out our new Patreon! And give a welcome to our guest this week, herbalist, educator and author Tammi Sweet. We talk about the endocannabanoid system, why it's so important, about the differences between "sativa" and "indica" (hint, they're both C. indica subspecies) , what "terpines" are (and why just hanging out with the plant is so amazing), what right relationship with Cannabis looks like, why it's a "master plant" and how to make your own medicine at home! Check her out at and find her book The Wholistic Healing Guide to Cannabis at your usual book place, or directly from her. 
March 10, 2021
Ep22: John Michael Greer on Johnny Appleseed's America & Green Wizardry
We welcome back JMG to the podcast in this joyful, historical, and advice packed episode. "In every person is the seed of some kind of magnificence," he says at one point encouraging our listeners to grab life by the horns and make it magical, interesting and meaningful in their own weird way. Johnny Appleseed was a person who did just that, planting seeds of magnificence and literal seeds every where he walked (usually barefoot). JMG tells us about his story including some parts that you don't hear about in the nursery rhymes. He talks about the importance of remembering and honoring those folks who came before us that held a vision for something different than the mainstream paradigm. We also talked about the vision of the 1970's appropriate tech movement and how those skills that scientists and homesteaders alike learned back then are still quite applicable today. We got into some of those tangible skills and techniques on consuming less energy and being self sufficient, for example solar ovens and insulated curtains. He offers a lot more in depth skills, resources, practices in his book Green Wizardry which we love. Isaac offers a little something special at the end for you too. Enjoy the show.  If you haven't already, check out our previous interview with John Michael Greer, Episode 4 on Natural Magic to learn more about his history and bio as we just dove right into the chat for this one.  We talked a lot about his book Green Wizardry but please check out his MANY other books here: He blogs at and Also check out our shiny new Patreon Page and support the show with a monthly donation if you're willing and able to help us keep this going smooth as buttah. Our patrons will directly influence the direction of the show as we will have polls about who to have on next and what topics you'd like us to cover. Plus some other perks like members only episodes and classes on regenerative farming and herbalism. 
March 03, 2021
Ep21: Botanical Magic with Amy Blackthorn
Amy Blackthorn, a Green Witch and author of three books on botanical magic was a blast to have on the podcast. She taught us lots about using plants in magical workings including as essential oils, smoke bundles and incense, tea and delicious elixirs. She tells us about keeping a magical diary with homemade poke berry ink. Try not to drool while she describes the recipe for Watermelon Cucumber shrub (cocktail or soda mixer). We look forward to hearing more about her book coming out this year on protection. Be sure to check out her current books, "Blackthorns Botanical Magic: A Green Witchs' guide to essential oils for spellcraft, ritual and healing," "Blackthorn's Botanical Brews: Herbal Potions, Magical Teas and Spirited Libations," and "Sacred Smoke: Clear away negative energies and purify mind, body, and spirit." Find her at on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter 
February 24, 2021
Ep20: jim mcdonald, the Energetic Folk Herbalist
In this episode we speak with jim mcdonald, a folk herbalist and educator from Michigan about how he fell in love with plants, using pool noodles to teach complicated scientific concepts, "herbal energetics", the importance of using common plants and wildcrafting ethics, and how he found out new uses for New England Aster. You can find his website here: and don't forget to sign up for his new classes at
February 17, 2021
Ep19: Stephanie Rose Bird on Hoodoo and Her Path
In this episode we are honored to speak with Stephanie Rose Bird, author of some of the most important practical guides to Hoodoo, including "Sticks, Stones, Roots and Bones" and "365 Days of Hoodoo." We speak with her about growing up in the country (her dad built their house!), what "Hoodoo" is, how to use roots, herbs, stones, sticks, candles, mojo bags and other elements of hoodoo to help yourself and your community, and about her new herbal product line she started with her daughter. Here's a link to her website.
February 10, 2021
Ep18: Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
We talk with esteemed permaculturist Michael Pilarski about Bill Mollison, science & "woo", working with nature spirits, "Restore the Earth" party, restoring the earth, and making $$$ from growing herbs in a regenerative way. - Michael's site - Anna Pallota Channel - Friends of the Trees Channel - Global Earth Repair Channel
February 03, 2021
Ep17: The Druid's Garden with Dana O'Driscoll
In this episode we speak with herbalist, permaculturist, blogger, artist and current Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America, Dana O'Driscoll. The topics include growing up in the forests of Western PA, studying with herbalist Jim McDonald in Michigan, working with New England Aster to heal her own asthma, art, blogging and divination. You can find Dana's blog at:, and her etsy shop at:
January 27, 2021
Ep16: Kate Miller on How to Find Your Farm Business Niche
In this episode we talk to Kate Miller of Weathertop Farm about how she became a farmer, how to be adaptable, and what a "switchel" is. You can find her website at: And on IG at @weathertopfarmny
January 20, 2021
Ep15: Stephen Harrod Buhner and the Metaphysical Background of the World
In this episode we speak with community herbalist, writer, earth poet and animist mystic Stephen Harrod Buhner about using the heart as an organ of perception, following the "Golden Thread", having plants as primary teachers, pantheistic animism, becoming your own authority, and a bit about his own journey.  Stephen has written a lot of books, and you should check them all out, but the ones that form the basis of our conversation are "The Secret Teachings of Plants", "Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal Realm" and the others in that series. These books give exercises for developing the heart as an organ of perception, adjusting sensory gating and communicating with plants. 
January 13, 2021
Ep 14: Experiences in Herbal Alchemy with Shannon Garity (Intro to Spagyrics)
In this "Intro to Spagyrics" episode, we speak with herbalist and alchemist Shannon Garity about what spagyrics are, how to make them, and some of her experiences with them. You can find her on IG and FB under @RipplingMedicinals 
January 07, 2021
Ep13: Winter Self Care Duocast
In this episode, AC and Isaac give their top ten tips for surviving the winter.
December 31, 2020
Ep12: Zamboni on Star Logic
In this episode we speak with Zamboni of Zamboni Funk about astrology, what got him into it, what it is, how it intersects with magic and herbalism, and about the great conjunction happening in a few days.   His website is and his InstaGram handle is @zambonifunk 
December 16, 2020
Ep 11: Joe Hollis's Paradise Garden
In this episode we speak with Joe Hollis about how he came to be tending his little bit of paradise for almost 50 years, what the concept of "Paradise Gardening" is, his community apothecary, how to live with little money (on purpose!) and how climate change has affected his gardening. Here's his website, with tabs for how to apply for the apprenticeship program, an essay on "Paradise Gardening" and how to purchase seeds. Here's his YouTube channel, where I first heard about him. 
December 10, 2020
Ep10: Pause and Reflect DuoShow
In this episode, we, AC and Isaac, take a brief pause and bit of reflection time. We talk about our roses, thorns and buds from the first season at Cohosh Creek, about isolation retreats, and plug our respective products.  Please email us your feedback! PlantCunning (at) gmail (dot) com Let us know what guests you liked the best, what you didn't like, what your favorite topics are, and if you have any guest suggestions! (we do have a long list of guest ideas, but it's always good to find new people.) Here's Isaac's album "Allegheny Elegies": You can PayPal TheHillsandTheRivers (at) gmail (dot) com to get a signed CD, for $15, shipping included. You can email your shipping address to the same email.  AC's herbal website is where you can find all your herbal supplies. Here's an essay on isolation retreats:
December 02, 2020
Ep 9: John Michelotti on the Mysteries of Mushrooms
In this episode we speak with John Michelotti of Catskill Fungi on how he quit his job and devoted his life to mushrooms, what mushrooms even are, the medicinal benefits of mushrooms and the best ways to make the highest grade medicines from them, and how science is catching up with folk lore. You can find John at
November 25, 2020
Episode 8: Growing Farmers with Greta Zarro & Ben Tyler of Unadilla Community Farm
Meet  Greta and Ben of Unadilla Community Farm in West Edmeston, NY. Their  project focuses on educating beginner farmers with the skills required  for farming and homesteading. Their interns help them grow fruits, nuts,  herbs, greens, vegetables to serve the local community through their Veggie Box Program. The interns can choose the classes they wish to take, and which long term projects the wish to work on to hone skills such as carpentry, stone masonry or herbalism.  We hear about their two pronged approach of changing the  world via community organizing, political advocacy and activism on the  one prong and on the other, actively creating the alternatives to the  systems they are working to change by being as self sufficient as possible  through farming and homesteading, sharing food with the local  community, and training as many folks interested in these skills as  possible.  We dive deep into the permaculture world talking about  building a food forest and 'dynamic accumulators'. Enjoy! Unadilla Community Farm Website  National Young Farmers Coaliton  The Dynamic Accumulator SARE Grant information Dr. Dukes Plant Study Database 
November 11, 2020
Ep7: Chrisso Babcock - DIY Homestead Kitchen
In this episode we speak with homesteader and educator Chrisso Babcock about the disillusionment of youthful idealism, the practicality of food preservation, the necessity of organizing your kitchen and pantry, the importance of healthy fats, and how to shop in a global pandemic. Chrisso teaches classes, workshops and does 1-on-1 private tutoring on food preservation, gardening, and kitchen organization.  You can find Chrisso at his website:
November 04, 2020
Ep6: 7Song on Science & Herbalism
In this episode we speak with clinical herbalist and educator 7Song about the importance of science in herbalism and in herbal education, a bit about his background, some good herbs for Covid, his work with the Ithaca Free Clinic, wildcrafting, botany, how to key out a plant, and more! 7Song runs the Northeast School of Botanical Medicine, in Ithaca NY. Find him at his website 
October 28, 2020
Ep5: Byron Ballard, the Village Witch
In this episode we speak with Byron Ballard, the village witch of Asheville, NC about the importance of place, how to use magic as a tool, what a witch grows in her garden during Covid, and how to befriend the local nature spirits. You can find her at, and order her books from your local bookstore! Her titles are:  "Earth Works: Ceremonies in Tower Time",  "Staubs and Ditchwater: a Friendly and Useful Introduction to Hillfolks' Hoodoo"  "Asfidity and Mad-Stones: A Further Ramble Through Hillfolks' Hoodoo"  "Embracing Willendorf: A Witch's Way of Loving Your Body to Health and Fitness" "Seasons of a Magical Life: A Pagan Path of Living" in 2021  "Roots, Branches & Spirits: The Folkways & Witchery of Appalachia" in 2021.
October 21, 2020
Ep4. John Michael Greer On Natural Magic
Today we welcome John Michael Greer (JMG) to the podcast. He is a well respected writer and blogger on the topics of nature spirituality and the future of industrial civilization. Author of over 50 books, he also blogs at and 
October 14, 2020
Ep3: The Green Path with Marc Williams
In this episode, we speak with Marc Williams, an ethnobotanist and plant educator based in Asheville, NC. We talk about ethnobotany, rainbow gatherings, the legacy of legendary plant person Frank Cook, and lots of other fun stuff. You can find Marc at and learn about Frank Cook at You can also find more about United Plant Savers at Enjoy!
October 08, 2020
Ep2: Magical Herbalism with Violet Bertelsen
In this episode we speak with Violet Bertelsen, a mystic, magician, herbalist and writer, about herbs and how to use them magically! We go over tangible tips for spiritual cleansing and protection, get a little nerdy, and have fun.  You can find Violet at .
October 08, 2020
Ep1: What is Plant Cunning?
In the first episode, we introduce ourselves and the concept of "The Plant Cunning Podcast." We talk about our backgrounds, intentions for the show, and what "plant cunning" means anyway. 
October 08, 2020