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Plant Cunning Podcast

Plant Cunning Podcast

By Plant Cunning Podcast
Plant Resilience. Plants Wisdom. Plant Plants. This podcast, hosted by Isaac Hill and A.C. Stauble brings together a network of people wise to the ways of plants, fungi and the natural world to explore the Mysteries of Nature. We invite herbalists, ethnobotanists, farmers, mages, fungi experts, community organizers and all kinds of other interesting people to the microphone to share their wisdom and experiences with us. The Plant Cunning Podcast bridges different worlds, makes connections, inspires and at times blows our minds while we explore the underlying theme of working with Nature.
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Ep19: Stephanie Rose Bird on Hoodoo and Her Path

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Episode 22: John Michael Greer on Johnny Appleseeds' America & Green Wizardry
We welcome back JMG to the podcast in this joyful, historical, and advice packed episode. "In every person is the seed of some kind of magnificence," he says at one point encouraging our listeners to grab life by the horns and make it magical, interesting and meaningful in their own weird way. Johnny Appleseed was a person who did just that, planting seeds of magnificence and literal seeds every where he walked (usually barefoot). JMG tells us about his story including some parts that you don't hear about in the nursery rhymes. He talks about the importance of remembering and honoring those folks who came before us that held a vision for something different than the mainstream paradigm. We also talked about the vision of the 1970's appropriate tech movement and how those skills that scientists and homesteaders alike learned back then are still quite applicable today. We got into some of those tangible skills and techniques on consuming less energy and being self sufficient, for example solar ovens and insulated curtains. He offers a lot more in depth skills, resources, practices in his book Green Wizardry which we love. Isaac offers a little something special at the end for you too. Enjoy the show.  If you haven't already, check out our previous interview with John Michael Greer, Episode 4 on Natural Magic to learn more about his history and bio as we just dove right into the chat for this one.  We talked a lot about his book Green Wizardry but please check out his MANY other books here: He blogs at and Also check out our shiny new Patreon Page and support the show with a monthly donation if you're willing and able to help us keep this going smooth as buttah. Our patrons will directly influence the direction of the show as we will have polls about who to have on next and what topics you'd like us to cover. Plus some other perks like members only episodes and classes on regenerative farming and herbalism. 
March 3, 2021
Ep21: Botanical Magic with Amy Blackthorn
Amy Blackthorn, a Green Witch and author of three books on botanical magic was a blast to have on the podcast. She taught us lots about using plants in magical workings including as essential oils, smoke bundles and incense, tea and delicious elixirs. She tells us about keeping a magical diary with homemade poke berry ink. Try not to drool while she describes the recipe for Watermelon Cucumber shrub (cocktail or soda mixer). We look forward to hearing more about her book coming out this year on protection. Be sure to check out her current books, "Blackthorns Botanical Magic: A Green Witchs' guide to essential oils for spellcraft, ritual and healing," "Blackthorn's Botanical Brews: Herbal Potions, Magical Teas and Spirited Libations," and "Sacred Smoke: Clear away negative energies and purify mind, body, and spirit." Find her at on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter 
February 24, 2021
Ep20: jim mcdonald, the Energetic Folk Herbalist
In this episode we speak with jim mcdonald, a folk herbalist and educator from Michigan about how he fell in love with plants, using pool noodles to teach complicated scientific concepts, "herbal energetics", the importance of using common plants and wildcrafting ethics, and how he found out new uses for New England Aster. You can find his website here: and don't forget to sign up for his new classes at
February 17, 2021
Ep19: Stephanie Rose Bird on Hoodoo and Her Path
In this episode we are honored to speak with Stephanie Rose Bird, author of some of the most important practical guides to Hoodoo, including "Sticks, Stones, Roots and Bones" and "365 Days of Hoodoo." We speak with her about growing up in the country (her dad built their house!), what "Hoodoo" is, how to use roots, herbs, stones, sticks, candles, mojo bags and other elements of hoodoo to help yourself and your community, and about her new herbal product line she started with her daughter. Here's a link to her website.
February 10, 2021
Ep18: Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
We talk with esteemed permaculturist Michael Pilarski about Bill Mollison, science & "woo", working with nature spirits, "Restore the Earth" party, restoring the earth, and making $$$ from growing herbs in a regenerative way. - Michael's site - Anna Pallota Channel - Friends of the Trees Channel - Global Earth Repair Channel
February 3, 2021
Ep17: The Druid's Garden with Dana O'Driscoll
In this episode we speak with herbalist, permaculturist, blogger, artist and current Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America, Dana O'Driscoll. The topics include growing up in the forests of Western PA, studying with herbalist Jim McDonald in Michigan, working with New England Aster to heal her own asthma, art, blogging and divination. You can find Dana's blog at:, and her etsy shop at:
January 27, 2021
Ep16: Kate Miller on How to Find Your Farm Business Niche
In this episode we talk to Kate Miller of Weathertop Farm about how she became a farmer, how to be adaptable, and what a "switchel" is. You can find her website at: And on IG at @weathertopfarmny
January 20, 2021
Ep15: Stephen Harrod Buhner and the Metaphysical Background of the World
In this episode we speak with community herbalist, writer, earth poet and animist mystic Stephen Harrod Buhner about using the heart as an organ of perception, following the "Golden Thread", having plants as primary teachers, pantheistic animism, becoming your own authority, and a bit about his own journey.  Stephen has written a lot of books, and you should check them all out, but the ones that form the basis of our conversation are "The Secret Teachings of Plants", "Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal Realm" and the others in that series. These books give exercises for developing the heart as an organ of perception, adjusting sensory gating and communicating with plants. 
January 13, 2021
Ep 14: Experiences in Herbal Alchemy with Shannon Garity (Intro to Spagyrics)
In this "Intro to Spagyrics" episode, we speak with herbalist and alchemist Shannon Garity about what spagyrics are, how to make them, and some of her experiences with them. You can find her on IG and FB under @RipplingMedicinals 
January 7, 2021
Ep13: Winter Self Care Duocast
In this episode, AC and Isaac give their top ten tips for surviving the winter.
December 31, 2020
Ep12: Zamboni on Star Logic
In this episode we speak with Zamboni of Zamboni Funk about astrology, what got him into it, what it is, how it intersects with magic and herbalism, and about the great conjunction happening in a few days.   His website is and his InstaGram handle is @zambonifunk 
December 16, 2020
Ep 11: Joe Hollis's Paradise Garden
In this episode we speak with Joe Hollis about how he came to be tending his little bit of paradise for almost 50 years, what the concept of "Paradise Gardening" is, his community apothecary, how to live with little money (on purpose!) and how climate change has affected his gardening. Here's his website, with tabs for how to apply for the apprenticeship program, an essay on "Paradise Gardening" and how to purchase seeds. Here's his YouTube channel, where I first heard about him. 
December 10, 2020
Ep10: Pause and Reflect DuoShow
In this episode, we, AC and Isaac, take a brief pause and bit of reflection time. We talk about our roses, thorns and buds from the first season at Cohosh Creek, about isolation retreats, and plug our respective products.  Please email us your feedback! PlantCunning (at) gmail (dot) com Let us know what guests you liked the best, what you didn't like, what your favorite topics are, and if you have any guest suggestions! (we do have a long list of guest ideas, but it's always good to find new people.) Here's Isaac's album "Allegheny Elegies": You can PayPal TheHillsandTheRivers (at) gmail (dot) com to get a signed CD, for $15, shipping included. You can email your shipping address to the same email.  AC's herbal website is where you can find all your herbal supplies. Here's an essay on isolation retreats:
December 2, 2020
Ep 9: John Michelotti on the Mysteries of Mushrooms
In this episode we speak with John Michelotti of Catskill Fungi on how he quit his job and devoted his life to mushrooms, what mushrooms even are, the medicinal benefits of mushrooms and the best ways to make the highest grade medicines from them, and how science is catching up with folk lore. You can find John at
November 25, 2020
Episode 8: Growing Farmers with Greta Zarro & Ben Tyler of Unadilla Community Farm
Meet  Greta and Ben of Unadilla Community Farm in West Edmeston, NY. Their  project focuses on educating beginner farmers with the skills required  for farming and homesteading. Their interns help them grow fruits, nuts,  herbs, greens, vegetables to serve the local community through their Veggie Box Program. The interns can choose the classes they wish to take, and which long term projects the wish to work on to hone skills such as carpentry, stone masonry or herbalism.  We hear about their two pronged approach of changing the  world via community organizing, political advocacy and activism on the  one prong and on the other, actively creating the alternatives to the  systems they are working to change by being as self sufficient as possible  through farming and homesteading, sharing food with the local  community, and training as many folks interested in these skills as  possible.  We dive deep into the permaculture world talking about  building a food forest and 'dynamic accumulators'. Enjoy! Unadilla Community Farm Website  National Young Farmers Coaliton  The Dynamic Accumulator SARE Grant information Dr. Dukes Plant Study Database 
November 11, 2020
Ep7: Chrisso Babcock - DIY Homestead Kitchen
In this episode we speak with homesteader and educator Chrisso Babcock about the disillusionment of youthful idealism, the practicality of food preservation, the necessity of organizing your kitchen and pantry, the importance of healthy fats, and how to shop in a global pandemic. Chrisso teaches classes, workshops and does 1-on-1 private tutoring on food preservation, gardening, and kitchen organization.  You can find Chrisso at his website:
November 4, 2020
Ep6: 7Song on Science & Herbalism
In this episode we speak with clinical herbalist and educator 7Song about the importance of science in herbalism and in herbal education, a bit about his background, some good herbs for Covid, his work with the Ithaca Free Clinic, wildcrafting, botany, how to key out a plant, and more! 7Song runs the Northeast School of Botanical Medicine, in Ithaca NY. Find him at his website 
October 28, 2020
Ep5: Byron Ballard, the Village Witch
In this episode we speak with Byron Ballard, the village witch of Asheville, NC about the importance of place, how to use magic as a tool, what a witch grows in her garden during Covid, and how to befriend the local nature spirits. You can find her at, and order her books from your local bookstore! Her titles are:  "Earth Works: Ceremonies in Tower Time",  "Staubs and Ditchwater: a Friendly and Useful Introduction to Hillfolks' Hoodoo"  "Asfidity and Mad-Stones: A Further Ramble Through Hillfolks' Hoodoo"  "Embracing Willendorf: A Witch's Way of Loving Your Body to Health and Fitness" "Seasons of a Magical Life: A Pagan Path of Living" in 2021  "Roots, Branches & Spirits: The Folkways & Witchery of Appalachia" in 2021.
October 21, 2020
Ep4. John Michael Greer On Natural Magic
Today we welcome John Michael Greer (JMG) to the podcast. He is a well respected writer and blogger on the topics of nature spirituality and the future of industrial civilization. Author of over 50 books, he also blogs at and 
October 14, 2020
Ep3: The Green Path with Marc Williams
In this episode, we speak with Marc Williams, an ethnobotanist and plant educator based in Asheville, NC. We talk about ethnobotany, rainbow gatherings, the legacy of legendary plant person Frank Cook, and lots of other fun stuff. You can find Marc at and learn about Frank Cook at You can also find more about United Plant Savers at Enjoy!
October 8, 2020
Ep2: Magical Herbalism with Violet Bertelsen
In this episode we speak with Violet Bertelsen, a mystic, magician, herbalist and writer, about herbs and how to use them magically! We go over tangible tips for spiritual cleansing and protection, get a little nerdy, and have fun.  You can find Violet at .
October 8, 2020
Ep1: What is Plant Cunning?
In the first episode, we introduce ourselves and the concept of "The Plant Cunning Podcast." We talk about our backgrounds, intentions for the show, and what "plant cunning" means anyway. 
October 8, 2020