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Pod Sounds

By Cecilia Gigliotti

For the 55th anniversary of The Beach Boys’ PET SOUNDS, music writers and fans Gil & Cecilia Gigliotti delved into the songs and stories surrounding the album in an attempt to solve the mysteries of Brian Wilson’s masterpiece. Then they finished—and decided to keep going. (IG: @pod_sounds_podcast) Cecilia: IG: @c_m_giglio cosifaccioio.com linktr.ee/ceciliagigliotti Gil: IG: @cthalfwit cthalfwit.blogspot.com “Frank, Gil, & Friends”: wfcsradio.com Music obtained with permission of ASCAP. Artwork by @sarahnhixsonart.
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A Reading Break

Pod SoundsMar 03, 2022

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A Reading Break

A Reading Break

Cecilia shares some updates, including an article of hers that’s new in Longreads: “Let Go of Your Ego: A Reading List on Brian Wilson and PET SOUNDS” (https://tinyurl.com/2p879xzv). If you’re looking for some not-so-scholarly addenda to the whole first season of this podcast, then all you need is this list. If nothing else, it’ll give you some fun rabbit-hole reading to cap off the week. In the meantime, keep an ear out for our next Newman episodes, and catch up on the Beach Boys ones if you’re not caught up already.
Mar 03, 202202:19
Hang Tight…

Hang Tight…

We’re in a transitional phase at the moment, but hang in there—we’ll be back soon with the next segment of the Newman season. In the meantime, go catch up on Volumes 2 and 1!
Feb 24, 202200:58
Justice For Rock & Roll Women (w/ Natalia Cardenas of She Loves You Podcast)

Justice For Rock & Roll Women (w/ Natalia Cardenas of She Loves You Podcast)

And now for something completely different! Cecilia is joined by Natalia Cardenas, host of the She Loves You Podcast (listen here: shorturl.at/egnsD), to discuss the Beatles and the myriad roles women played in their lives and career—Cynthia Powell Lennon mostly, but also Pattie Boyd, Jane Asher, Maureen Starkey, and, of course, Yoko Ono. Plus the fans, who masterminded just about everything except the music. Shout-outs along the way to (who else?) the Beach Boys and the Mamas & the Papas. Check out Natalia’s work on Instagram @cynthialennondaily and @shelovesyoupodcast.
Feb 17, 202201:12:39
Old Man On The Farm

Old Man On The Farm

In our dissection of yet another song-quoting song, we’re helped by no less than everyone! Kathleen Hanna. Garfunkel & Oates. Jim Croce. Peter, Paul, & Mary. Lou Reed (again). Woody Guthrie. Wallace Shawn. Dr. Seuss. You get the picture. There are POV shifts and Pixar shout-outs. Plus, we put an end to the who-gets-the-decades debate!
Feb 10, 202250:12
Kathleen (Catholicism Made Easier)

Kathleen (Catholicism Made Easier)

We dive deep into the ethnic and religious demographics of Chicago for a song about a hastily arranged wedding. We discuss theories of short fiction. We pay our compositional respects to the Bard of Long Island, Sir William Joel, for his potential Newman references. And we take a stance as a staunchly anti-Rudyard Kipling podcast. Bases covered. Honorable mentions: “Volare” (the song and, apparently, the car) and THE IRISHMAN, a movie neither of us saw.
Feb 03, 202251:39
Rider In The Rain

Rider In The Rain

If you’ve ever wanted to hear a comprehensive history of the Hollywood cowboy and/or the American folk tradition, have we got an episode for you. If you’ve never wanted to be a cowboy, you’re lying to yourself. And Zooey Deschanel reserves the right to come on the pod whenever she wants. Visitations along the way from Tom Stoppard, Bob Dylan, the Three Amigos, and a singing bush.
(CW: mention of rape)
Jan 27, 202259:43
I’ll Be Home

I’ll Be Home

A regular love song for a change! No strings attached. We dissect the romantic counterpart to the platonic “You’ve Got a Friend in Me” and shout out its special place in Gigliotti family lore. Old Randy might win the favor of the Suits after all. Also: Rickie Lee Jones foretells her work with Lenny Waronker, and Van Dyke Parks is the intersection of all notable California composers.
Jan 20, 202231:32
Baltimore

Baltimore

Today we dig into one of Cecilia’s favorite tracks, all about urban planning gone wrong. Where does Newman’s dismal portrait fit into the canon of Baltimore-themed media, from HAIRSPRAY to THE WIRE? Honorable mentions: the reggae movement and the diversely talented Nina Simone.
Jan 13, 202251:51
Sigmund Freud’s Impersonation Of Albert Einstein In America

Sigmund Freud’s Impersonation Of Albert Einstein In America

Jewish geniuses left and right! We talk appropriating American legend inside and outside the musical canon, distinction between types of travelers, Advanced Dream Interpretation, and little boys playing baseball in the rain. Plus…the true meaning of Christmas?
Jan 06, 202243:28
Holiday Announcements!

Holiday Announcements!

Happy week between holidays! While you get caught up on the first season and a half, we plug our new insta (@pod_sounds_podcast) and shout out some of this year’s Christmas tunes on rotation. Celebrate safe!
Dec 30, 202103:19
In Germany Before The War

In Germany Before The War

Step aside Netflix, we’ve got the latest true crime doc: the Vampire of Düsseldorf. Fritz Lang tells the story in his movie M (1931), then Newman retells it with a fascist twist. Not exactly suggested bedtime listening. Also: murder ballads in the Newman catalogue, and Marianne Faithfull (because everything can be improved by adding Marianne Faithfull).
(CW: mention of CSA and murder, discussion of Nazism)
Dec 23, 202147:54
Jolly Coppers On Parade

Jolly Coppers On Parade

Who says “jolly” or “coppers”? Fannee Doolee does!! #iykyk. Cecilia gives a brief history of Taylor Swift, Gil talks (more) about printed lyrics and how they can differ from sung ones, there’s a lot of perspective-examining and copaganda-diagnosing…and it all somehow relates back to our artist. Recommended viewing: Jon Ronson’s special I AM, UNFORTUNATELY, RANDY NEWMAN. Recommended reading: Cynthia Lennon’s memoir JOHN.
Dec 16, 202147:02
Texas Girl At The Funeral Of Her Father

Texas Girl At The Funeral Of Her Father

The title might remind Cecilia of a painting, but it’s one of those that look different to each viewer. Also we can’t say how many people are in it or how old they are. But other than that, a painting for sure. We talk nautical metaphors, funereal rituals, and (at last) TOY STORY. Join us for a musical-theatre ballad like no other. Plus: Lou Reed, Samuel Barber, and the late great Stephen Sondheim.
Dec 09, 202159:41
Little Criminals (the track)

Little Criminals (the track)

Sitcom themes! Slide guitars! What is a blackjack, and should you carry one just in case? We’re back to discuss our favorite armed robbers who have almost made it to the top (of the bottom). All to prove that the family that does crime together stays together, in pop music and on 30 ROCK. Honorable mentions: Jeff Lynne’s producer’s touch, Dostoevsky’s take on moral superiority, and Cruella de Vil’s choice of henchmen.
Dec 02, 202151:29
You Can’t Fool The Fat Man

You Can’t Fool The Fat Man

We’re just two-bit podcasters, that’s all we’ll ever be. Grammys trivia, Rolling Stone cover photos, gatefold vinyl sleeves, under what circumstances one might fabricate family members, how this song would look as an episode of LAW & ORDER…the list goes on. Also discussed: Sydney Greenstreet, THE OUTSIDERS, “Hills Like White Elephants,” and John Denver again.
Nov 25, 202156:24
Short People

Short People

Cecilia fills us in on the difference between sarcastic and sardonic. We hear about height double standards, attempts to ban the song from radio, the world’s new tallest woman, a longtime alliance between Newman and producer Lenny Waronker, ice cream sandwich phones, and Gil’s infamous Reaction of the Suits. Plus: John Denver, Klaus Voormann, Lin-Manuel Miranda, and Ziggy Stardust (the character and the album)—but not all at once.
Nov 18, 202101:17:08
The Wonderful World of Randy Newman
Nov 11, 202101:04:19
Emergency 500 Songs Special!

Emergency 500 Songs Special!

Oh you thought we were gonna move straight on to season 2? Not when “God Only Knows” has jumped up FOURTEEN SPOTS in Rolling Stone’s 500 Greatest Songs of All Time!!! We examine the reshuffled list and you can bet we’ve got opinions.
Sep 27, 202151:12
Continuations

Continuations

Hang on to your EGOT! This was originally a goat joke but then I decided Brian probably deserves an EGOT and unfortunately these puns are who I am. We do a bit of fact-checking, talk about the animals on the album cover (and in the studio?) as well as the font, and catch up with the itinerant Tony Asher. And of course it wouldn’t be a Beach Boys podcast without John Stamos. Also mentioned: CATS DON’T DANCE, JULIE & JULIA, and shouting out cities in songs. Thanks for tuning in to season 1!
Aug 26, 202148:34
Good Vibrations (Bonus)

Good Vibrations (Bonus)

Does any other song give you excitations? We thought not. Gil breaks out the Grammy stats, Cecilia talks about the blues, and the cellos never stop moving. There’s a reason a track that wasn’t finished in time for the album has eclipsed it in popularity. Who even cares about words? Plus: Arlo Guthrie, Anita Kerr, and whether you can love somebody strictly judging by the vibes they exude. *distant theremin noises*
Aug 19, 202153:40
Caroline, No

Caroline, No

An emotionally fraught, out-of-place song to round out the record. But what did you expect. Big-band origins, classical touches, and a sweet voice delivering a not-so-sweet sentiment. Also, trains. Gil offers up an alternate sequencing for side 2, and Cecilia traces the through-line from this track to—where else?—the Beatles’ late period. When is somebody gonna say yes to Caroline??
Aug 12, 202148:07
Pet Sounds (the track)

Pet Sounds (the track)

Bond, bossa nova, and Barry (Manilow)—what don’t we cover in our discussion of the title track? We try to determine the purpose of this piece, to mixed results. Honorable mentions: the theatrics of Adele, effects that make instruments sound like other instruments, and the role of a producer in studio.
Aug 05, 202149:47
I Just Wasn’t Made For These Times

I Just Wasn’t Made For These Times

Some lyrics fall apart if you look at them too closely. You can probably guess where this is headed. What does it mean to be made for one’s times? Is the word “thing” interchangeable with the word “theremin”? Oh, and Cecilia presents her nominee for Beatles Song With Biggest Debt To PET SOUNDS. Honorable mentions: Ross and Phoebe’s musical innovations on FRIENDS, the purpose of science fiction, and Paul Anka yet again.
Jul 29, 202101:05:23
Here Today

Here Today

What do this track, the Roman poet Horace, and Avril Lavigne’s “Sk8er Boi” have in common? We express all the thoughts. Will Cecilia ever shut up about tambourines? Unlikely. Also mentioned: DEAD POETS SOCIETY, THE GREATEST SHOWMAN, and the pros—but mostly cons—of reading song lyrics on the page.
Jul 22, 202155:02
I Know There’s An Answer

I Know There’s An Answer

Hang on to your ego, because…that’s what this song should still be called. We explore two drafts of a lyric and everything it lost along the way. We talk about the incident that deafened Brian in his right ear. We wonder whether censorship can ever be done well. Plus: Ella Fitzgerald, Petula Clark, the chance invention of LSD, and why the state of Kansas is not to be trusted.
Jul 15, 202101:19:40
God Only Knows

God Only Knows

God only knows how we expected to cover this song in our usual timespan. We parse Brian’s marriage to Marilyn Rovell, the qualities of a Great American Songbook standard, and the mystical tonal shifts that make this baroque-pop B-side the jewel in the band’s crown. Is a realistic love song better than a fantastical one? Can Beach Boys lyrics be read in a queer or non-heteronormative context? What is the Brian Wilson Two-Note Fall, and why should you care about it?? Cameos from Tchaikovsky, Bach, Brahms, Herman’s Hermits, Kendrick Lamar, Elton John and Bernie Taupin, and every other musician who ever lived. Sing it, Carl!!
(CW: mention of suicide ideation ~43:00)
Jul 08, 202101:16:12
Sloop John B

Sloop John B

Sequencing strategies, TikTok sea shanties, and temple blocks—welcome to the album’s only (and very intentional) cover tune. We get into the song’s folk roots and the blend of cultural traditions stamped on it, as well as music videos that have nothing to do with their lyrics and the expansive catalogue of hit-or-miss drug references. Honorable mentions: LOST IN SPACE, the phenomenon of “Boone-ing,” and artists who tell you to turn the record over.
Jul 01, 202147:03
Let’s Go Away For Awhile

Let’s Go Away For Awhile

Going electric is so 1965. Brian’s going SYMPHONIC. For the first instrumental track, we muse on target demographics, time signature shifts, and the role of an orchestra conductor. What must the folks at Capitol have thought the first time they heard it? Also discussed: the Four Seasons, Del Close & John Brent’s 1959 comedy album HOW TO SPEAK HIP, and non-vocal tracks on MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR and YELLOW SUBMARINE. Give it a listen and then we’ll have world peace!!
Jun 24, 202151:03
I’m Waiting For The Day

I’m Waiting For The Day

The return of Rhonda! Or is it? Today we tackle a song that in our opinion should have been a single. Gil wants to be a Capitol exec from the future, and Cecilia likes Brian’s newfound confidence. Also mentioned: when Wilson met Dylan, tritones in the timeline, the Monkees’ “Randy Scouse Git,” and two songs that made (and didn’t make) SGT. PEPPER.
Jun 17, 202154:25
Don’t Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)

Don’t Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)

Shut up and listen—to our heart beat. The singer could be dreaming, or just talking to himself, but we’re here to test all the theories. Forever’s gonna start tonight. Plus: Paul Anka, Hollywood’s transition from silent to talking pictures, and the 1984 fake-rock-movie STREETS OF FIRE.
Jun 10, 202143:06
That’s Not Me

That’s Not Me

Did they do this song backwards? We take a magnifying glass to the Wilson-Asher team’s apprehensive post-adolescent anthem. The lady doth like the tambourine *way* too much. You could probably play this tune in church and no one would notice. Honorable mentions: Thomas Gray, Carly Simon, and Wurlitzer organs.
Jun 03, 202153:33
You Still Believe In Me

You Still Believe In Me

You know perfectly well this is where you should be to learn about track two. And boy does it throw us into the lyrical deep end. Lots to unpack in the mind of a narrator who may be no different from his creator. How does Brian use the musical scale, and how do his bandmates use the syllable “ah”? Also discussed: Phil Harris and the Aristocats, Puritan memoirist Mary Rowlandson, and what part of speech the word “should” is.
May 27, 202157:18
Wouldn’t It Be Nice

Wouldn’t It Be Nice

And now for the songs! Today we do a close reading of the iconic opening track. How does Brian pull off bitonality? What are the veiled complexities of the lyric? Is this the greatest bridge of all time?? Also touched on: the Bee Gees’ songwriting history and why timpani are the sexiest drums.
May 20, 202152:31
What is PET SOUNDS?

What is PET SOUNDS?

Today we get into the specifics of the album—who was involved in it, where and how it was made, what sounds are on it besides those made by the pets. We also discuss Paul McCartney’s bass-tone origin story, Rolling Stone magazine’s revamped “greatest” lists, and various groups who have come under the album’s influence. Plus, Bing Crosby vs. David Crosby?
May 16, 202155:16
Introducing Pod Sounds!

Introducing Pod Sounds!

The inaugural episode finds us—Cecilia and Gil—introducing ourselves and telling personal and cultural histories of The Beach Boys. Shout-outs along the way to Annie Lennox, Frank Sinatra, and Sir George Martin, among others. We play “Is This Song About a Girl or a Car?” Then we ask the big questions, like who actually surfed and what insights (if any) Brian Wilson has to offer into his craft. Most crucially, who is Rhonda, and why do we need her help?

(there’s a bit of overlap in the audio but we’re working out the kinks. also sex work is work)
May 16, 202157:39
Trailer

Trailer

The Beach Boys’ PET SOUNDS turns 55 this year! Get ready for a deep dive into the history and mystery of the album with two music writers and fans. Coming soon wherever you get your podcasts.
May 06, 202100:45