Skip to main content
Pondering Life Adventures

Pondering Life Adventures

By Maurie Lung & Bobbi Beale

Two seasoned mental health therapists ponder this wild and precious life while integrating their experiences in adventure therapy, social justice, nature, parenting, and relationships. Grab a cup of coffee and eavesdrop on the sometimes funny, sometimes serious, genuinely realistic adventures of life.
Listen on Spotify
Where to listen
Apple Podcasts Logo

Apple Podcasts

Castbox Logo

Castbox

Google Podcasts Logo

Google Podcasts

Overcast Logo

Overcast

Pocket Casts Logo

Pocket Casts

RadioPublic Logo

RadioPublic

Spotify Logo

Spotify

Currently playing episode

Episode 2: Who We Are As Parents

Pondering Life Adventures

1x
Episode 42: Time Keeps On Ticking
Episode 42: Time Keeps On Ticking
Grab your coffee or tea and listen in as Dr. Maurie Lung and Dr. Bobbi Beale chat about the perception of time, how it changes with our age and experiences, and just how do we teach those little ones to stay calm under pressure. And we even debate if it is "little rabbits have big ears" or "little pitchers have big ears." All of this and more as you settle in for another conversation pondering our life adventures.
47:41
August 23, 2022
Episode 41: Back to School, Back to Reality
Episode 41: Back to School, Back to Reality
Grab your cup of coffee and hop into our conversation as we chat about back to school, learning, rule following, and a bit about what to do when your child is navigating the tough stuff. It's the end of summer and we are soaking in the last little bit of the playful days while we can.
48:25
August 16, 2022
Episode 40: Finding the Sweet Spot: From Parenting to Changing Habits
Episode 40: Finding the Sweet Spot: From Parenting to Changing Habits
Grab that cup of coffee and listen in as Dr Bobbi Beale and Dr. Maurie Lung chat about some tricky parenting issues we have navigated recently, a bit of world events, and how we are continuing to learn about adding healthy habits (and removing unhealthy habits) through a bit of novelty.
31:49
April 26, 2022
Episode 39: Perennial or Annual?
Episode 39: Perennial or Annual?
Join Dr. Bobbi Beale and Dr. Maurie Lung as we chat over coffee (grab yourself a cup, too!) about a broad range of topics, from a recent experience taking a child on a business trip, to how trauma and systemic oppression show up in our every day, to grading in the United States, to gardening, and finally metaphors – all in one conversation. Hold on for the ride!
45:08
April 16, 2022
Episode 38: Honoring Family Constellations and the Tradition of Swearing
Episode 38: Honoring Family Constellations and the Tradition of Swearing
Grab your cup of coffee and strap yourself in for a ride in this episode! We start off with a quick pass by current events, then we round the corner with a deep dive on family constellations, including the ideas of letting people define themselves and science behind why that is so important for healthy functioning, and then, if you need a laugh, stayed tuned to the very end where we have a hysterical conversation about the most favorite swear word that can be heard on every continent.
50:18
April 03, 2022
Episode 37: The Notion of Intending with Guest Jason Angione
Episode 37: The Notion of Intending with Guest Jason Angione
Grab your cup of coffee or tea, maybe even light a campfire, and pull up a chair to join Dr. Bobbi Beale and guest speaker, Jason Angione, as they dive into the notion of intending. They chat about the mind-blowing decade when information about neurobiology, the impacts of trauma, and the power of intention. They explain how intentions can be self-guiding, including how we can see the highest light in others (or a situation), and the process of creating intentions for ourselves. And how cooking and eating is the way of the world while Jason ponders why wander rhymes more to ponder than wonder.
57:39
March 19, 2022
Episode 36: Titles, and Questions, and Habits, oh my!
Episode 36: Titles, and Questions, and Habits, oh my!
Grab that cup of coffee or tea and settle in for this episode with Dr. Bobbi Beale and Dr. Maurie Lung that is filled with advice about parenting toddlers, the impact of titles for people, and creating new habits for us all.
43:05
March 14, 2022
Episode 35: Parenting – The First 40 Years Are The Hardest with guest Russell Chamberlain
Episode 35: Parenting – The First 40 Years Are The Hardest with guest Russell Chamberlain
Grab that cup of coffee (or tea!) and settle in for our conversation with Russell Chamberlain, LCSW, CADCIII/MAC. He provides a safe place for struggling teens and families to build relationship and heal at LifeSTREAM Therapy, LLC (https://lifestreamtherapy.net). We chat about parenting multiples (we all have twins/triplets in our households!) and share how when things get tough, we often cross the line into science for ideas, which we try to make it accessible to people so that it makes sense so that we can focus on what is important to develop healthy adults.
46:35
March 01, 2022
Episode #34: Navigating Reverberation When A Loved One Dies
Episode #34: Navigating Reverberation When A Loved One Dies
Grab that cup of coffee (or tea) and brace yourself for an episode that puts the raw emotions of a recent death into view. We dive into those feelings and feel them and let them reverberate as we chat about the death of a family member. From how we take care of ourselves as well as how we show up for others, especially for our young ones who are on this path, too. And sometimes you just have to let go of everything and go with the flow of what is happening and feel the things and hug the people and just sort of be there.
46:05
February 21, 2022
Episode 33: Read, Connect, Share
Episode 33: Read, Connect, Share
Grab that cup of coffee (or tea) and settle in to chat as we chat about how reading and movies influence our parenting, especially when we are reinforcing empathy and problem-solving! Plus, a little more about habits, prioritizing our to-do list, and bedtimes!
44:58
February 17, 2022
Episode 32: Give The Judge A Snack
Episode 32: Give The Judge A Snack
Grab that coffee (or tea) and settle in for a ride today! Dr. Bobbi Beale and Dr. Maurie Lung dive right into what motivates us for change, what puts the brakes on, and then totally geek out on some of the research that supports these ideas. 
46:44
February 06, 2022
Episode 31: Colonial Counseling: A Conversation with Lise Brown, BRS, RSW, MSW
Episode 31: Colonial Counseling: A Conversation with Lise Brown, BRS, RSW, MSW
Grab a coffee and come join us as we chat with Lise Brown, BRS, RSW, MSW, about resiliency, de-colonizing counseling, and radical inclusion. Lise Brown the owner of Momenta, which offers opportunities for experiential learning that fosters growth through connections to self, each other and place. She has a Bachelor of Recreation, a Master of Social Work, a Certificate in Expressive Arts Therapy, and the Forest School Practitioner training. Lise combines these areas of practice to provide clinical direction, facilitate groups, and counsel individuals both in urban and wilderness environments with a focus on physical and emotional safety, successful participation, fun, meaningful activity, and group cohesion.
47:02
January 31, 2022
Episode 30: Real Life Inspiration with World Renowned Adventurer TA Loeffler
Episode 30: Real Life Inspiration with World Renowned Adventurer TA Loeffler
Grab your cup of coffee or tea, you are in for a treat! From our conversation of shifting language, such as hard/soft skills to the recognition of movement toward less biased language of technical and interpersonal skills, hear TA’s thoughts about how accidents are more likely to occur, decision fatigue, and interrupting power dynamics to create spaces for frequently quieted voices to be heard. (Also, you might want to check out a kick sled!) Dr. TA Loeffler is a celebrated educator, adventurer, nature advocate, author, and professional keynote speaker from St. John’s, Newfoundland, and Labrador. TA is a professor of Outdoor Education and Recreation in the School of Human Kinetics and Recreation at Memorial University of Newfoundland.  She has been recognized the Canadian Geographic “90 Greatest Canadian Explorers” in 2020 and named to the Canadian Geographic’s Canada’s Greatest Explorers 100 Modern-Day Trailblazers List, Greatest Canadian Modern Women Explorers List, the Canadian Geographic’s Canada’s Greatest Explorers 100 Modern-Day Trailblazers List and Greatest Canadian Modern Women Explorers List. Find out more about TA Loeffler here at https://taloeffler.com.
44:59
January 25, 2022
Episode 29: Confront the Negative Bias by Savoring
Episode 29: Confront the Negative Bias by Savoring
Grab that cup of coffee or tea and dive into the joy of savoring and spend just a few moments to pause. We aren’t talking about toxic positivity, we are talking about combating the fatigue that is occurring from the chronic stress in our world right now. Everybody is exhausted. Everyone is overwhelmed. Take that deep breath and explore with use right now. Gift yourself this moment to just be.
44:57
January 17, 2022
Episode 28: The Canary Is Just Okay
Episode 28: The Canary Is Just Okay
Grab that cup of coffee or tea and join us as we chat about how we are all dealing with the chronic stress and chaos of our world today, most of us are also experiencing burnout. Many of us are looking for some hacks to make us feel better because we are exhausted. As we learned, the conscious mind is the bottleneck for our brain. We experience fog, decision fatigue, agitation, and so much more. However, habits help reduce exhaustion and burnout because they automate our processes for us.
33:24
January 09, 2022
Episode 27: Thoughts Swimming Around Our Minds
Episode 27: Thoughts Swimming Around Our Minds
Grab that cup of coffee and listen in as we welcome in another new year and chat about recent parenting escapades, including when our children first realized that they were not the same as other people, re-entry after the holiday, and our confusion – and ways we find hope - with the world around us.
30:34
January 04, 2022
Throwback Thursday! Episode 25: Uncork That Bottle and Let It Roll!
Throwback Thursday! Episode 25: Uncork That Bottle and Let It Roll!
Grab that cub of coffee or tea and join us from way back in September of 2021 as we discuss a variety of ideas around parenting supervision, generational drama, and the influence that both chronic trauma and situational trauma have over time on ourselves and our families.
47:11
December 31, 2021
Episode 26: Tend, Befriend, and Go with the Flow! with guest speaker Dr. Denise Mitten
Episode 26: Tend, Befriend, and Go with the Flow! with guest speaker Dr. Denise Mitten
Our nervous systems are contagious! Hold on tight to that cup of coffee or tea, as Dr. Denise Mitten jumps right in to invite us to think about everything that we do, and what are the ethical ends, and how do we want to use our gifts and education to further humanity. We talk about the Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi concept of flow, which he explains, “a meaningful life is one where the person spends his time in a state of optimal experience called flow… when the best moments usually occur when a person’s body or mind is stretched to its limits in a voluntary effort to accomplish something difficult and worthwhile. These experiences are universal to all cultures and time periods.” Listen in as Denise ties this to self-esteem, how it connects to value, belonging, and competence, as well as what we can do to improve this for ourselves as an adult. Denise Mitten, PhD, describes herself as, “Using systems thinking, I combine my background in sustainability, ecology, corporate and non-profit management, counseling, complementary medicine, higher education, and adventure trip leading to help people discover the knowledge, tools, and skills they need to continue passionate, high-quality work that positively contributes to the global community.”
50:01
December 27, 2021
Episode 24: Opportunity for a Reawakening: A conversation with Dr. Tonya Elliot
Episode 24: Opportunity for a Reawakening: A conversation with Dr. Tonya Elliot
Grab your cup of coffee or tea and settle in for a conversation with Dr. Bobbi Beale, Dr. Maurie Lung, and our guest speaker, Dr. Tonya Elliot-Walker. “Being Tsalagi (Cherokee) and Pawnee, I love helping Native people rediscover cultural traditions and values and use them to find meaning and purpose in life. I love training my counseling interns via cultural immersion and not just book learning. I use cultural traditions, such as storytelling, basket weaving, drumming, singing and celebrating the ceremony of life. I empower my clients and my interns to be social justice advocates and stand up for what is right and true for them in the world and not dim their light to make other people feel comfortable. We all have a path and purpose and now more than ever this world needs is to fully show up and walk the talk.” We have some big conversations that dive into making meaning of today’s world, the development of our identities in the world around us, and the reminder that when we connect with our authentic selves, and truly make things personal, we have much more influence on what is happening in our experiences, especially as it relates to hope and suffering.
40:10
December 20, 2021
Throwback Thursday: Episode 23: Colds and Cat Bites
Throwback Thursday: Episode 23: Colds and Cat Bites
Grab your coffee or tea and settle in for a throwback episode from September where, even through their colds and cat bites and Halloween, Maurie and Bobbi still have energy to chat about pets, parenting – from nighttime rituals, to middle school transitions, to learning to play a musical instrument - and even tackle the tough topic of talking about death with children.
35:37
December 17, 2021
Episode 22: Connection Before Anything: Parenting through Power Struggles and Fatigue
Episode 22: Connection Before Anything: Parenting through Power Struggles and Fatigue
It’s time! Pour yourself that cup of coffee or tea and settle in for a chat that takes many paths along the way of parenting struggles big and small, while refocusing on the values of parenting and the techniques that help us to teach the lesson that we actually want to be teaching. Even when we are tired. And, let’s face it, many of us are tired right now. All of that with a little divergence to revisit connection, hope, and a hat tip to state of flow. All of which are also helpful when we are tired.
45:49
December 13, 2021
Throwback Thursday! Episode 19: Pinecones Are Not A Good Throwable
Throwback Thursday! Episode 19: Pinecones Are Not A Good Throwable
Join us with your cup of coffee or tea as we chat about Bobbi’s family camping trip. We take a loop around parenting differences in families and reminisce about our own childhood, including our fears and worries about being a parent. As Bobbi says, “Parenting is such a tricky thing because you have to progress and evolve.”
30:32
December 10, 2021
Episode 21: Narrow In A Bit
Episode 21: Narrow In A Bit
Grab that coffee (or tea) and join Maurie and Bobbi as they talk about decision-making in our current world, including when we become wishy-washy. Dive into exploring what we do when what we thought was true before after we have new information. Hint, is not a sign of inconsistency, it is a sign of intelligence. A flip-flop can actually be the way you update your ways of being when you have new information, and how all of that (plus trauma and marginalization) ties into our resiliency strategies, such as tiny changes, a double shot of dopamine, and instilling hope.
39:37
December 06, 2021
Episode 20: Welcome Back! Catch up with Bobbi and Maurie
Episode 20: Welcome Back! Catch up with Bobbi and Maurie
Grab that coffee or tea and settle down to find out what we have been up to lately and the upcoming plans we have for the podcast. Plus, have you been introduced to Polly Bagel yet?! Find out what a bagel has to do with neuroscience or just take a few minutes to listen to chat about the world around us. 
44:59
November 29, 2021
Episode 18: Parenting Among Friends
Episode 18: Parenting Among Friends
Grab your coffee and settle in to hear all about parenting during a family reunion! And, add in the complexity that all of the children are "diblings" (donor siblings). Hold on tight for this ride!
42:48
August 24, 2021
Episode 17: Emerging and Reconnecting
Episode 17: Emerging and Reconnecting
Listen in as Bobbi Beale and Maurie Lung chat about our recent activities, including travel, parenting challenges, and re-connecting with others. 
21:52
July 27, 2021
Episode 12: The Perils of Parenting in the Pandemic (throwback)
Episode 12: The Perils of Parenting in the Pandemic (throwback)
Grab your coffee and listen in as we talk about that feeling of overwhelm by so much that is happening in our lives so quickly! We explore responsibility and blame. We remind ourselves that a calm nervous system calms nervous systems. But little did we know what was to come shortly after this January 2021 recording. 
19:24
June 16, 2021
Episode 16: Calmly Building Bridges
Episode 16: Calmly Building Bridges
Grab yourself a drink and settle in for our conversation with Dr. Christine Norton as we chat about stress, parenting, and the concerns of the world around us right now. Dr. Christine Lynn Norton is a Professor of Social Work at Texas State University. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Board Approved Clinical Supervisor, a Certified Clinical Adventure Therapist, a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional and a Level III Certified Experiential Therapist with the International Society for Experiential Professionals. Christine is also a Research Scientist with the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center and a Fulbright Scholar.
53:00
June 08, 2021
Season 2 Teaser
Season 2 Teaser
Hear what happened during our little break AND what's coming for season 2!
00:37
May 13, 2021
Episode 15: Heart-centered and Inspirational Conversation with Sky Gray
Episode 15: Heart-centered and Inspirational Conversation with Sky Gray
Grab a drink, settle back, and listen in on our conversation with Sky Gray. We delve into the heart of resilience, through our careers in mental health, our challenges and success with our families, and our own personal curiosities. Enjoy!
56:06
May 13, 2021
Episode 14: Pause and Pivot with Lise and Bobbi
Episode 14: Pause and Pivot with Lise and Bobbi
Grab that cup of coffee or tea and settle in with our guest, Lise Brown, from Winnipeg, Canada, and Bobbi (while Maurie is still recovering). Lise is  co-owner of Momenta (https://experiencemomenta.com) as well as a parent and fellow adventurer. They talk about navigating this past year, impacts on their families, and their hopes for the coming year. 
35:12
March 06, 2021
Episode 13: Friends, Colleagues, and Quantoids
Episode 13: Friends, Colleagues, and Quantoids
Grab your cup of coffee or tea and dive into t-tests, ANOVA, and chi-squares. Don’t worry, you don’t really need to know this vocabulary to enjoy this episode of how Bobbi met UNH researcher and professor, Dr. Anita Tucker as they dive into how a collegial relationship was forged, the work of a researcher in mental health, and the importance of women supporting each other in the workplace.
59:23
March 02, 2021
Episode 11: Seasoning Day
Episode 11: Seasoning Day
Grab your coffee and settle in for our conversation with Jesse, Bobbi's 23 year old son, as we have a candid conversation - including the infamous seasoning day. Jesse shares thoughtfully about what it is like to have a parent who is a mental health practitioner, how adventure therapy ideas were integrated during childhood, how Montessori education reinforced these values, and on growing up with moms who are lesbians. (Also included is a brief update after surgery with Dani.)
59:48
January 20, 2021
Bonus Episode: Stories from the Field Interviews Bobbi
Bonus Episode: Stories from the Field Interviews Bobbi
Listen in on the interview as Bobbi was a guest on the podcast "Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy." Stories from the field is dedicated to demystifying wilderness therapy and is hosted by Dr. Will White. In this podcast Will interviews various wilderness therapy researchers, program founders, writers, executive directors, guide staff, clinicians, critics and more. He educates the listener to the long history of the field and different trends related to this evolving treatment option. Will has worked in the wilderness therapy field for over 30 years and co-founded Summit Achievement (a wilderness therapy program) located in Maine in the 1990's. He wrote the book, "Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy" and his doctoral dissertation traced the history of the field and is titled, “Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy”.
47:00
January 15, 2021
Episode 10: Ksporking, Cooking, & Caregiving
Episode 10: Ksporking, Cooking, & Caregiving
Grab your coffee (or tea or hot chocolate) and join us as we chat up Bobbi’s partner Dani just a day before her surgery, then we dive into some theory about relationship roles and being a primary caregiver, before we take a little jaunt off road into baking shows, cooking for kids, and backcountry kitchens.
43:13
January 06, 2021
Episode 9: All I Want for Christmas is... Reinforced Titanium?!
Episode 9: All I Want for Christmas is... Reinforced Titanium?!
Grab your coffee, tea, or hot chocolate and pull up a chair to listen in as we chat about our holiday traditions, how this looks during a pandemic, and the ordinary struggles of our everyday lives as we navigate our exciting work and lively families. Be sure to check out our Facebook page, Pondering Life Adventures, if you want to see the photo we are referencing in this segment!
35:47
December 23, 2020
Bonus: "Graduate to Guide: On the Other Side of Therapy" Interviews Maurie
Bonus: "Graduate to Guide: On the Other Side of Therapy" Interviews Maurie
Check this bonus episode out! Maurie was interviewed by Emma Stein. Here is how she describes this episode: "In the second interview of this podcast, Emma welcomes a seasoned leader in the field of adventure therapy to the show, Maurie Lung. Maurie discusses her work at Life Adventures Counseling and Life Adventures For All and shares how she integrates her work into her own life and her life experience into her work. She gives valuable advice to anyone new to the field of mental healthcare." Emma's podcast, Graduate to Guide: On the Other Side of Therapy, can be found at https://graduatetoguideontheothersideoftherapy.buzzsprout.com if you are interested in more stories like this one.
35:58
December 18, 2020
Episode 8: Bandwidth Exhaustion? Eat, Move, Breathe, Sleep!
Episode 8: Bandwidth Exhaustion? Eat, Move, Breathe, Sleep!
Listen in on our conversation with Dr. Tina Bhargava, an Associate Professor at Kent State University. She has been studying how bandwidth (a term she uses for our brain resources) relates to human behavior for the last 10 years and has discovered that truly understanding it can provide a life-changing perspective on why people do what they do—AND what we can do about it. Check out her website at www.everydaybandwidth.com!
50:53
December 15, 2020
Episode 7: What Happens in Vagus (the nerve), Doesn't Really Stay in Vagus
Episode 7: What Happens in Vagus (the nerve), Doesn't Really Stay in Vagus
Grab that cup of coffee and listen in as we wander about in our fog, directly experiencing the influence of the vagus nerve that is overseeing our parasympathetic nervous system and its vast range of crucial functions, such as communicating motor and sensory impulses to every organ in our body. From the common cold to sleep deprivation, we unpack what happens when we get overwhelmed with our world and we share a few strategies that will help to mitigate this stress that we are all experiencing in some form or another. (Visit our Facebook page, Pondering Life Adventures, to see the slide we are referring to in this episode!)
33:21
November 22, 2020
Episode 6: It's Okay to Play Ball in the House
Episode 6: It's Okay to Play Ball in the House
Listen in on our chat as we navigate our stressful world while still trying to hold onto some of the routines that help our families thrive. We somehow link current events, with Halloween, gun sales, and the Olympic Biathlon. Finally settling on discussing regulating, family rules, the difference between tattling and telling, and the most important rule of all...to have fun. Don't miss the mindful moment at the end, as we are certainly in need of those these days!
49:57
November 09, 2020
Bonus Episode: Stories from the Field Interviews Maurie
Bonus Episode: Stories from the Field Interviews Maurie
Listen in on the interview as Maurie was a guest on the podcast "Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy." Stories from the field is dedicated to demystifying wilderness therapy and is hosted by Dr. Will White. In this podcast Will interviews various wilderness therapy researchers, program founders, writers, executive directors, guide staff, clinicians, critics and more. He educates the listener to the long history of the field and different trends related to this evolving treatment option. Will has worked in the wilderness therapy field for over 30 years and co-founded Summit Achievement (a wilderness therapy program) located in Maine in the 1990's. He wrote the book, "Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy" and his doctoral dissertation traced the history of the field and is titled, “Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy”.
58:59
October 29, 2020
Episode 5: What if the virus was hot pink?
Episode 5: What if the virus was hot pink?
Grab that coffee and sit back to listen in on our conversation about our experiences during the pandemic, such as our observations about mask wearing, our children interrupting our working from home, and how we are trying to find solid sleep and helpful mindfulness. Savoring seems to be the key. Enjoy!
27:52
October 18, 2020
Episode 4: Our Camping Roots Are Showing
Episode 4: Our Camping Roots Are Showing
Grab your coffee and sit back for a stroll down memory lane as we chat about our career paths into adventure therapy, camping with our families, and how our personal bandwidth is feeling a bit restricted these days. All of which is being mitigated with some good doses of playfulness and mindfulness.
25:11
October 12, 2020
Episode 3: Replenishing Your Surge Capacity
Episode 3: Replenishing Your Surge Capacity
We typically access our surge capacity, our collection of our mental and physical adaptive systems, for short-term survival in acutely stressful situations. However, when we try to access it for long-term survival, it can become depleted, causing our bandwidth to become pinched and our compartmentalizing to leak. With the end of the pandemic not yet in sight, listen in as we share our struggles and our ideas of how we resource ourselves through connecting with people and sharing the gifts of laughter.
37:24
October 03, 2020
Episode 2: Who We Are As Parents
Episode 2: Who We Are As Parents
Grab your cup of coffee, relax, and listen in on our conversation about parenting, some of our struggles, some of our successes, and just what we think about when we try to answer the question of who we are as a parent. One thing became clear, that throughout our parenting journey, we both aim to focus on our values, while juggling our responsibilities to our family, our work, our friends – all while trying not to lose ourselves in the process.
41:12
September 26, 2020
Episode 1: It all begins with pondering stress in our daily lives
Episode 1: It all begins with pondering stress in our daily lives
Grab your cup of coffee and listen in as we chat about some very real life situations we are navigating, sprinkled in with some research about resiliency, tips to mitigate the impacts of the stress, and a tiny bit of mindfulness to reorient your day. This episode dives into how the stress of the pandemic is impacting our families and ourselves during what seemed to be more mundane moments.
36:34
September 18, 2020