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Peter & Phil's Courageous Conversations

By Dr. Peter Weinstein & Dr. Phillip Nelson
A phone call, prompted by George Floyd's death, brings two veterinarians from two different races together to discuss their perspectives on pivotal issues affecting America today. Join Peter and Phil's Courageous Conversations Podcast - then start a courageous conversation of your own!
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End of the Season. New episodes of Peter & Phil coming soon!
After over 25 episodes, Peter and Phil are taking a break in preparation for season 3.  Make sure to follow our Twitter @PeterandPhil and tell us what topics you'd like us to cover in the new season.  See you then!
September 16, 2022
Right to Offend
Peter & Phil finish the season by discussing the A&E documentary, Right to Offend' and all the comedian greats the film covers.  Join us for another great conversation regarding Bill Cosby, Flip Wilson, Ed Sullivan, The Smothers Brothers, Robin Williams, Richard Pryor, and many more!  
September 08, 2022
The Continuation of January 6th...
Peter & Phil get into a political conversation regarding current events and address some of the discussions they've had with others regarding recent politics; including the Trump FBI raid and aid to Ukraine.  Join us for a more politically courageous conversation and make sure to tweet us some of your thoughts at our account @PeterandPhilCC.  
September 01, 2022
Banning Books
The conversation around Uncle Tom, the documentary, leads to a new one around banning Uncle Tom, the book, among other, now restricted books.  When the powers that be can't change the narrative, is the next step to just ban it entirely? What does that accomplish?  Peter & Phil have another courageous conversation to answer these questions and more and invite you along for the ride! Join us.  
August 25, 2022
A Hypothetical Question..
If you could come back in 1000 years to see how the world has progressed, would you? Peter asks Phil this hypothetical question regarding the future, and they both have two entirely different answers for different reasons.  Listen in this week, and make sure to answer the question yourself.  We want to hear your thoughts as well! 
August 18, 2022
Uncle Tom
Peter & Phil get into a discussion about the 2020 documentary, Uncle Tom: An Oral History of the American Black Conservative produced by Larry Elder.  They also discuss how the term, Uncle Tom, originated.  Join Peter & Phil for another courageous conversation! *some sensitive words are used in this recording. 
August 11, 2022
21rst Century Leadership
The Senate on August 3, 2022, voted to approve a treaty that would expand NATO to include Finland and Sweden.  Peter and Phil get into a discussion on the recent call to vote and a vision of leadership on a global scale.  How do we create a solution to an upcoming global recession while still keeping the country's best interest in mind?  Through leadership.  Peter & Phil discuss this and more in this week's Courageous Conversation.  Join us!
August 04, 2022
Political Herd Mentality
Peter & Phil discuss herd mentalities and how it relates and contrasts to the political landscape.  Join us for another Courageous Conversation and don't forget to answer this week's poll! 
July 29, 2022
The Need To Belong
Phil discusses a recent revelation he has while speaking on an all-Black Dean's panel - more black students are coming from other universities outside of HBCUs than ever before, and it is a proud moment.  That realization leads to a conversation between Peter and Phil on the need for inclusion and inclusive organizations both inside and outside of the industry.  Join us for another courageous conversation!
July 21, 2022
The Thought Police
Peter & Phil finish last week's conversation on the freedom of choice, and what happens when some of our choices are taken from us and given to the state.  This week's topics include guns and abortion - the issues most are afraid to touch, though not Peter & Phil!   Join us for another courageous conversation!
July 15, 2022
A Perfect Storm
In this episode, Peter expresses fear that a modern-day civil war is in the works.   Join us as Peter and Phil take on the unsettledness after the Roe V Wade reversal, and express their thoughts on the issue.  It's truly a courageous conversation you won't want to miss!
July 08, 2022
Dad & Daughter Series: A Different Perspective
Phil and Peter wrap up their Dad & Daughter Series in honor of Father's Day.  In this episode, they allow their daughters to ask questions and take over the podcast.  Join us for a fun interview that brings GEN X & Z into the conversation. 
June 30, 2022
Dad & Daughter Series: How Diverse is Your Circle?
In a continuation from last week, Phil starts the discussion by asking how diverse their kids' friend circles are.  Join us as we continue the courageous conversation with daughters Brooke Weinstein, and Nicole Nelson. 
June 23, 2022
Dad & Daughter Series: History Can Be a Discussion
In honor of Father's Day, Peter & Phil get together with their daughters, Brooke Weinstein and Nicole Nelson, to discuss some of their past podcasts, asking them to share their experiences and feelings on racism, inequality,  and social injustice.  Nerves run high in this 3-part series, inviting generations Z & X into another courageous conversation - this time - at their own dinner table!  You won't want to miss it. 
June 17, 2022
America's Gun Issue
After the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, Peter & Phil take on the issue of mass shootings with semi-automatics.  What's the solution?  Why is Congress so scared to address the issue with laws or to even speak on the matter?  Join us for another courageous conversation! 
June 10, 2022
The Buried Truth
After watching a new documentary on slavery, Peter shares concern for the omission of African-American history in our history books.  They say those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it -   what if you were never taught it?  What happens then?  Peter and Phil discuss this topic and more in another courageous conversation.  
June 03, 2022
The Ethical Choice
After Peter brings up the Roe v Wade issue currently making its way through the Supreme Court, Peter & Phil go into a discussion about the ethics of our choices, and all the layers one has to consider when making hard decisions.  Pet owners have the difficult decision to put their pets to sleep, but just because a decision is potentially difficult, does that mean people should not be given the choice?  Join us, as the two discuss matters of life and death - and the choices we all should have in the matter (or not).  
May 26, 2022
The Nuclear Family
In this up-close and personal courageous conversation, Peter & Phil discuss the nuclear family.  When Peter shares a painful family secret with Phil it opens up an entirely new conversation on the unintended therapeutic consequence of sharing.  It also reveals a new topic about vulnerability and the true meaning for Peter in terms of 'courageous conversations.'  Join us this week. 
May 19, 2022
A Mother's Love
Peter and Phil sit down and talk the Thursday before Mother's Day and pay homage to their mothers.  What's a mother's role and how did Peter & Phils's mothers impact them in their upbringing and where they are now?  Join us this week.  
May 12, 2022
The Beauty of Debate
Peter and Phil have another courageous conversation about the need for debate in our political and justice system.  While Congress and news outlets teeter on the edge of arguments, Peter and Phil point out the need for good sound debates instead.  The discussion eventually leads the two into a debate of their own! Join us this week as we discuss the art of healthy debating, Supreme Court justice nominee Kentaji Brown Jackson, and friendship. 
May 05, 2022
What About Your Friends?
Phil asks Peter to share how he makes friends and it transforms into a courageous conversation on the foundation of friendship.  Why do we need friends?  What are we looking for in our friendships?  Do political, monetary, and/or social class come into play when choosing your friends?  Join us this week as we discuss friendships and don't forget to stay involved by answering this week's poll! 
April 29, 2022
Interview with Dr. Michael Blackwell (Part 2)
This week, Peter and Phil continue last week's conversation.  Join us as they discuss Dr. Blackwell's father (one of the first black veterinarians in the country), how slow change has been for BIPOC people in the Vet-Med industry, and what needs to be done to fix the system.  You won't want to miss this episode!
April 21, 2022
The "Sick-care" System (W/Special Guest Dr. Michael Blackwell)
Peter and Phil invite colleague Dr. Michael Blackwell onto the discussion.  This week's topic covers the problem with modern-day health care (comparisons and contrasts) as it relates to both humans and dogs alike!  You won't want to miss this episode!
April 15, 2022
When Will You Fight? - Part 2
Peter and Phil finish last week's conversation in regards to the war between Russia and Ukraine.  In the hypothetical situation that America was ever attacked again, would the nation be able to put aside its differences and stand to fight together? Join us this week as we continue the courageous conversation. For more info, visit 
April 07, 2022
When Will You to Fight? Part 1
The war in Ukraine brings Peter to beg the question, how many people in America would be willing to fight for their land, their homes, their country?  Have an opinion? Answer the poll!  And then Join Peter and Phil this week as they discuss this question and more! 
March 31, 2022
Deciphering Fact from Fiction
This week Phil & Peter continue last week's conversation with the war in Ukraine and compliment the millennial and younger generations on their use of social media to filter out fact from fiction.  Join us for another awesome conversation!
March 24, 2022
Fighting for Democracy: The War in Ukraine
Need a better understanding of what is happening between Russia and Ukraine? This week Peter and Phil get political and address democracy in America as well as the current war happening in Ukraine.  This courageous conversation covers Putin, Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and even President Biden and our American forces.  Join us for another awesome discussion!
March 18, 2022
The N Word : Part One
In this episode, Phil expands the conversation with Peter and discusses his hesitancy in using the N - word even in speeches, as well as recalls a time when he remembers hearing it on the news in Jackson, Mississippi.  Peter asks Phil to explain what an "Uncle Tom" is, and the conversation leads to a chat regarding the power of history and words.  Don't miss this courageous conversation!
March 11, 2022
Phil shares he was told he could not marry Miss America as a child because she was white which leads Peter & Phil into a deeper conversation on microaggression.  Join us for this week's courageous conversation as Peter and Phil delve into the Miss America pageant (while giving props to former Miss America and veterinarian, Dr. Debbie Turner), microaggression, and Phil's secret social experiment he conducts on inclusivity.  Follow PeterandPhilCC on Twitter and Facebook for notice of each new episode!
March 04, 2022
The Concept of Race
When Peter brings up Whoopi Goldberg's suspension from The View for misspeaking on race and the Holocaust,  the two get into a dynamic discussion on the concept of race.  Join Peter & Phil this week as they lead the courageous conversation on man's inhumanity to man, cancel culture, and the subgroups we as humans categorize ourselves into.  You won't want to miss this episode as Peter and Phil do not hold back!  Follow our Twitter PeterandPhilCC and stay updated on our website at 
February 25, 2022
Working with the Police: An Interview with Julie Hudash - Part 2
This week, Peter & Phil continue their conversation with special guest Julie Hudash.   Julie shares an amazing story about how one child's perception on police was changed through ongoing interaction with Team Kids and she also shares more details about her amazing work with her non-profit organization.  Visit our website to catch up and stay posted about upcoming episodes!
February 18, 2022
Season 2 Kickoff: Interview with Julie Hudash
Phil and Peter kick off season 2 with a new sponsor and an incredible new guest! Julie Hudash, Founder/CEO of Team Kids, a nonprofit delivering youth development school programs in CA, AZ, VA and NY joins today's podcast and offers her insight on race relations and today's youth. Join us for an incredibly insightful podcast & don't forget to share!  Find more courageous conversations at 
February 10, 2022
Season 2: Coming Soon!
New episodes. New commentary.  New sponsors. New Guests and insight!  All coming to you February 10th.  Join us then!
February 04, 2022
The Barbershop
Peter and Phil discuss a place where many a courageous conversation has taken place among men - the barbershop!  Join us for a fun chat this week about the barbershop's role as a source of news, laughter, and serious discussion. 
January 06, 2022
Eat That Frog
Peter brings up the book, "Eat That Frog" by Brian Tracy which leads Phil to share a story regarding his oldest son with a similar phrase but entirely different meaning.  The discussion then delves into the importance of fighting for a child's education and Phil shares how he went as far as becoming PTA president to fight for his. Join us as Peter and Phil compare lives in another honest and thought-provoking courageous conversation!  
December 31, 2021
Hamilton Anyone?
During the holiday, Peter gets caught in traffic on his way to see the musical rendition of Hamilton.  After sharing their thoughts on the musical, the two then take a blast into their past and upbringings!  Join Peter & Phil as they discuss the Broadway hit, their parent's parental styles, and their new outlook on gender roles since the days of Alexander Hamilton.  Don't forget to visit the website & have a courageous conversation of your own!
December 24, 2021
Peter & Phil discuss different perspectives this week and how it relates to their students, trials, and football games!  Nothing is off-limits!  Jin us, and don't forget to have a courageous conversation of your own!
December 17, 2021
3/5th Compromise
This week Peter and Phil discuss the 3/5th Compromise and more!  Do you know what the compromise stated and who it represented?  Please complete our survey below and join us for another courageous conversation.    
December 09, 2021
If Kyle Rittenhouse Were Black...
On Nov. 19 Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges in the shootings that transpired in Kenosha.  Peter & Phil briefly discuss the hypothetical, "If Kyle Rittenhouse Were Black," as well as venture into other social justice issues & trials like the Abry Ahmad case. Join us this week as we gently scratch the surface of several events that have happened over the past month!
December 03, 2021
Part 3: Complicated Issues (W/ Special Guest Shannon Jenkins)
Shannon, Peter, & Phil discuss how taking complicated issues and trying to categorize them into short phrases (like 'Black Lives Matter' and 'Heritage versus Hate'), oversimplifies deeper problems.  Join us in the last of this three-part series with conservative attorney and friend, Shannon Jenkins. 
November 18, 2021
Part 2: Legislating Hearts (with Special Guest Shannon Jenkins)
Attorney Shannon Jenkins enters the conversation with Peter & Phil to answer the question, "Can you legislate hearts?"  Coming from an attorney, the response may not be what you expect!  Join us for another great conversation, and tune in next week when we finish the conversation. 
November 11, 2021
Part 1: The Fatal Error Of Attribution (w/ Special Guest Shannon Jenkins)
Peter & Phil welcome special guest and lawyer, Shannon Jenkins to the podcast to discuss protective classes.  Not only does Shannon offer a different perspective, but she also gives her insight on social issues from a more conservative point of view.  Join us for the first half of the interview from the unique perspective of a lawyer, with some feminine energy to boot!  
November 04, 2021
Collective Effervescence
Collective effervescence, a sociological concept coined by Émile Durkheim, is a community or society that comes together to communicate the same thought and participate in the same action.  This week, Peter & Phil continue last week's conversation and ask if music helps us come together collectively?  Join us as we dig deeper into this topic!
October 29, 2021
Two National Anthems?
Peter enlightens Phil that they'll start playing the 'black national anthem' at ball games now, which leads Peter to confide he's never heard 'Lift Every Voice & Sing.'  Join us or another Courageous Conversation this week & check out to join the conversation as well! 
October 21, 2021
Peter & Phil's Interview with Dr. Courtney Campbell
Changing things up this week - Peter & Phil get interviewed by Dr. Courtney Campbell and discuss why they started the Courageous Conversations podcast, and what motivates them to keep going.  Almost a year in, and they're still going strong thanks to supporters like you.  Thank you so much for joining us and continuing to listen in!  Tune in Nov. 4th as conservative attorney Shannon M. Jenkins joins the Courageous Conversation! You won't want to miss it. Interested in being on the show?   Peter & Phil are switching up the format and bringing in guests.  If interested, please reach out to us on the website at, and if a fit, a representative will reach out to you to schedule a date and time to appear on the show. 
October 15, 2021
Why is Simplicity So Complex?
Some leaders have been taking complex issues and offering simple solutions that barely address the problem. Why has there been such a  'dumbing down' on complex issues like voting fraud &  America's labor shortage - when the answers aren't just black or white?   Are our politicians and leaders to blame?  Peter and Phil offer some insight with this week's discussion.  Join us!
October 07, 2021
Keeping Up Appearances
Peter & Phil continue last week's conversation in remembrance of 9/11.  Phil shares a time when he and his wife had an expensive dinner at one of the twin towers in New York, while Peter goes on to share a unique experience he had regarding currency exchange rate on a trip with his wife.  Join us for a fun, light-hearted conversation this week!
September 30, 2021
On the 20th anniversary,  Peter & Phil both recall where they were the moment the first plane hit the Twin Towers in NYC twenty years ago on 9/11.  
September 23, 2021
Shaking Up Campus Leadership
Picking up from last week's conversation, Peter asks Phil about leadership.  Phil shares he's overstayed his welcome as a dean which leads the two to reflect on what it takes to keep a college up-to-date, fresh, and continuously implementing new ideas.  What exactly makes a good leader/dean? Peter & Phil offer some insight! Join us, for another courageous conversation!
September 16, 2021
The Angry Black Man
Phil asks Peter to describe what he thinks an 'angry black man' looks like and the two then delve into a conversation about code-switching, tone policing, and why black male leaders like Malcolm X and Muhammed Ali came across as 'threatening.' Don't understand those concepts?  Join us for another courageous conversation!
September 09, 2021
Avoiding the Issue
After Peter & Phil, both put out statements supporting the Stop Asian Hate movement,  Peter shares he received some negative backlash.  This leads to the question: Why do we generally avoid speaking on key racial issues? Is it fear? Peter & Phil offer their insight in today's episode. Join us & share your comments at!
September 02, 2021
Voices of 'Fake' News & Politics
Peter and Phil continue last week's conversation on Patriotism and also touch on new subjects which include: Fox News' analysis of minorities in the Olympics, deciphering 'entertainment commentary' versus factual news, and educating our electorate to decern the difference.  Join us for this discussion and more!  Share and/or leave a comment on our website,  
August 27, 2021
Phil asks Peter to define patriotism and then goes on to share his own views on the matter.  How has the definition changed since the 1700s and is there cause for concern with today's representation?  Do minorities have to work harder to 'prove' they're patriotic? Answers to these questions and more in today's episode! Join us. 
August 20, 2021
Perfectly Molded: Educating & Standing Up For Our Youth
Peter and Phil discuss the importance of molding our youth through camps, programs, and PTA involvement. What are some ways we can all be more actively involved in our schools and bring more programs directly to under-served youth?  This week, join the discussion and tell us what you think by visiting our website, & leaving your thoughts in the comment section.
August 12, 2021
If They See It, They Can Be It
When Peter sees Phil's 100 Black Men of America shirt (an organization that supports and uplifts African-American males & the local community) it sparks a conversation on the importance of mentoring.  Why is it important for our youth to see themselves in others and be shown different experiences?  How can we all contribute more of our time or resources to help? Join us as Peter & Phil answer these questions and more!
August 05, 2021
The Great Debate
The new movie Purge sparks a conversation between Peter & Phil on gun control and our second amendment rights.  Many won't even broach the subject, but these two dive right in! Why is this such a hot issue, and does it suggest a deeper problem?  Are we so polarized now that we can't even have civil debates on key issues that affect the country? How do we fix this? Answers to those questions and more on this week's episode! Join us. 
July 29, 2021
Last week,  Democratic legislators in Texas fled the state in search of federal assistance pushing back on anti-voting measures, and now grassroots groups in Texas are planning a Selma-to-Montgomery style march in the state. It's a great start.  However, knowing politics will continue to go on as usual, when and how do we as voters continue to hold our politicians accountable?  In this episode, Peter & Phil talk politics and speak to the accountability of not just our politicians, but that of voters as well.  
July 22, 2021
Hervis Rogers
Hervis Rogers, of Texas, was arrested on charges that he voted in the 2020 Democratic primary while on parole. He could now face as much as 20 years in prison. This podcast is a discussion of that incident, recurring voter disenfranchisement, and possible solutions to this ongoing issue. Join Peter & Phil for another great discussion. 
July 16, 2021
The Indignity of Racism
This week Peter continues last week's conversation on religion, and Phil shares a story about his childhood experiences of 'being seen and not heard.'  They both point out how it's an uncanny parallel of how many minorities still feel (seen, but not heard) even into their adulthood.  Join us for another awesome courageous conversation!
July 08, 2021
The Veracity of Truth
Is it possible to create one's own truth? Should there be a separation of church and state? This week Peter & Phil continue their courageous conversation by touching on religion, the government, and the truth.  Join us!
July 01, 2021
Justice For All
 Peter & Phil break down the phrase "All men are created equal".  The phrase is supposed to represent the idea that everyone is free and not to be “deprived of life, liberty, or property" as indicated in our Bill of Rights.  However, how much of that phrase does our country truly honor and is America living up to that pledge?  Join us and share!
June 17, 2021
A Civic's Lesson Part. 2
This week, Peter & Phil finish last week's conversation.  Peter asks Phil what he would do if he were president to counter today's political propaganda.  His answer: Teach civic's lessons!  Integrating Veterinary Medicine into the discussion, Peter & Phil also ask: Should colleges put mandatory civic's lessons into their curriculum? We'll answer all this and more in this weeks' discussion! Join us & share!
June 10, 2021
A Civic's Lesson
Peter & Phil discuss the undermining of democracy and the disenfranchisement of the black vote through legislation. In current news, Phil & Peter react to (R) Senator Ted Cruz's tweet (shared last week regarding the Russian army), as well as touch on the relevance of the new psycho-political thriller series on Amazon, 'Them.'  Please listen & share. 
June 03, 2021
Alex Haley's Roots: The Saga of An American Family first aired in 1977.  It was a mini-series that followed Haley's ancestral lineage from the soils of Africa, into the shackles of American slavery.  In this episode, Peter & Phil discuss the series after Peter admits he's never seen it.  Join us, for another great discussion!  
May 27, 2021
Invading the Suburbs
What are some of the 'code words' the system uses to try to keep black people in their communities?  This week, Peter and Phil discuss a few, plus get into depth over the term, 'invading the suburbs' on a whole new level! The time to talk is now, so join us for another Courageous Conversation!
May 20, 2021
The North May Have Won the War...
Peter & Phil discuss the resurgence of overt racism during the last few years.  How much has changed since the 'good ol'days' and why are some Americans so determined to get them back?  Is there any hope for true equality in the future?  Tune into this week's episode for the answer!  You won't want to miss it.  
May 13, 2021
A Glimmer of Justice: Part 2
Peter & Phil continue last week's conversation, revealing their emotions after the verdict of Derek Chauvin comes in for the death of George Floyd. Phil admits that just like Eric Gardner's mother, Gwen Carr, he's tired of glimmers of justice.  How exactly do we rectify a broken system? Find out how in this week's part two episode.  Like & Share!
May 06, 2021
A Glimmer of Justice: Part 1
Coverage of the death of George Floyd not only prompted global protests for police reform but was the catalyst for Peter & Phil's Courageous Conversations podcast nearly a year ago. On April 21, 2020, Derek Chauvin, the policeman who pinned George Flloyd down to the ground for nine minutes and twenty-nine seconds, was found guilty of his murder on all three counts.  This week's discussion is not only about that verdict, but the ones that didn't come before. Was justice served?  Please join us for another Courageous Conversation! Like & Share!
April 29, 2021
Learning the System
Dr. Peter Weinstein and Phillip Nelson welcome Dr. Courtney Campbell to the conversation. This episode, they discuss what they are all currently doing to keep the courageous conversation going, education (past and present), and the role school plays in fighting the injustices and racism prevalent in America today.  Join us for another courageous conversation!  Like & Share!
April 22, 2021
Where Do You get Your News?
March 13th, 2020 - Breonna Taylor, a Black medical worker, was shot and killed by Louisville police officers during a botched raid on her apartment.  In November of 2020, Missouri Congresswoman-elect Cori Bush wore a Breonna Taylor mask and was mistakenly called Breona by GOP members several times.  In this episode, Peter and Phil discuss that particular incident as well as last week's topic concerning how news networks like FOX, MSNBC, and others currently affect our politics and personal views. Join us for another courageous conversation.  Like & share!
April 15, 2021
The 'New' News
Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson discuss the current polarization and commercialization of the news.  Are we getting news or just opinions? Given that some news stations have gotten so far away from the facts,  will they ever be able to regain our trust again?  Let's discuss!  
April 08, 2021
To practice, or not to practice? To teach or not to teach? What motivates those entering the Vet Med profession? In this episode, Dr. Nelson expresses some regret for not going back to serve his community by opening up a practice but teaching instead.  Join us for the conversation!  
April 01, 2021
98 Percent
How do we keep our democracy a true democracy? Are your rights really secure? In this episode,  Peter and Phil discuss Robin DiAngelo’s theories (the author of White Fragility), the power struggle of the majority vs. the minority, and the role politics play in that struggle. Join us for another Courageous Conversation (& don't forget to like and share)! 
March 25, 2021
Versions of History
It's said those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.  Well, what happens when we actively try to erase it?  This episode, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson touch on this subject and more!  Join us. 
March 18, 2021
De Facto Segregation
Although schools were integrated in the 1960s, redlining (the practice of denying a creditworthy applicant a loan for housing in a certain neighborhood) was used to make sure blacks did not purchase houses in white subdivisions.  Public pools were also made private in an attempt to keep the color lines separate and work around the integration laws.  In this episode, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson discuss a few forms of de facto segregation and touch on what it was really like growing up during the '60s and '70s.  Join us for another Courageous Conversation and continue to share! 
March 11, 2021
Heroes : Part 2
From Jackie Robinson and Wilt Chamberlain to Mohammed Ali and Arthur Ash - sports figures made headway in the sports arena while simultaneously bringing social injustices to light.  In this episode, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson reflect on some of their past sports heroes and discuss how they helped shape American society outside of their perspective sport.  Join us and please share this discussion!
March 04, 2021
This episode is dedicated to all heroes; from the Civil Rights era & beyond.  This week's discussion includes well-known heroes like Malcom X, Martin Luther King, and Medger Evers, to more personal ones like the hosts' fathers.  No one is off-limits in this part one episode and things get personal.   *Join the discussion and check back next week for part two!  
February 25, 2021
How Do We Treat Our Slaves?
This week, Dr. Phillip Nelson and Dr. Peter Weinstein discuss the documentary 13th; a film that explores the history of racial inequality in the United States and highlights how slavery transcended into what some have termed modern-day slavery.    When the nation's prisons are disproportionately filled with African-Americans, can we truly state that slavery no longer exists? How did we get here? Join us as we delve into this week's episode!
February 18, 2021
The Meaning of Words
Dr. Peter Weinstein shares his childhood pet's names were "Blackey" and "Whitey" which creates an entire conversation about the meaning of words and the unintended implications behind them.   Dr. Phillip Nelson attests that sometimes words are just what they are on the surface, without having to dig too deep!  Join us for a more light-hearted episode this week and share with friends!
February 11, 2021
The Fear Factor
 Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson dive deeper into people of color's fear of the police from the 1960s to today.  This episode covers different views on the police, lawlessness,  and also entails an altercation Dr. Nelson saw between the freedom fighters and the police during (what was supposed to be) a peaceful protest.  Join us!
February 04, 2021
Black Lives Matter
Dr. Peter Weinstein & Dr. Phillip Nelson delve deep into the Black Lives Matter Movement and further discuss how defunding the police (a phrase that came out of that movement) is viewed from both sides.  Join the conversation!
January 28, 2021
Whites Only.
African-Americans currently only make up 2% of the Veterinary Medicine profession.  This episode may offer you some insight into why.  This week, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson discuss some pivotal moments Dr. Nelson had to personally overcome when first entering the predominately white profession, and some pressures he presently deals with when trying to diversify the profession to this day.    Join us for another Courageous Conversation!
January 21, 2021
You Can't Legislate Hearts
In this episode, Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson expand on last week's topic,  "What Happen's Next?"   Delving into politics for the first time - they discuss how laws and certain actions from government officials help shape our society. Laws and policies are necessary to fight racial injustice and create long-lasting change,  but what happens when you change the laws but not the opposing side's heart?  Join us as we discuss!   
January 14, 2021
What Happens Next?
In the summer of 2020, the world saw millions take to the streets in protest of George Floyd's murder at a level unseen in decades.   However, as the street protests lessened, Peter calls Phil disheartened about the loss of momentum.  This courageous conversation between Peter & Phil focuses on why the momentum was unsustainable at its current level in the first place,  and what young Americans need to think about next.  Join us!
January 07, 2021
Defunding the Police?
The death of George Floyd brought millions of US citizens to the streets in protest of police brutality.  One term that came from that uprising was "Defund the police."  However, the call for the defunding of police departments across the country left some people on opposing sides confused and angry.  Why would anyone really want to defund the police?   In this episode, Dr. Phillip Nelson and Dr. Peter Weinstein delve into the phrase and offer some alternative solutions for this mostly political call to action.     What does it truly mean?  Why is there mistrust towards law enforcement by POC in the first place?  How are POC treated differently by officers? Join us for some of the answers and let's start the conversation!
December 31, 2020
The Talk
Data from the NAACP shows that African-Americans are five times more likely to be stopped by the police without cause.  As a result, some of the first conversations black parents have with their children are those of surviving everyday encounters with law enforcement officers.   This episode touches on several topics including: 'The Talk' as it pertains to Phil speaking with his sons; Peter's views on the term white privilege; and Phil's first realization he was different from his white counterparts.   Join us for another great episode!
December 24, 2020
Peter's Nanny
Phil probes into Peter's childhood and finds that Peter had a housekeeper growing up.  However, like many black domestic workers of that time, Peter shares that was not her only role.   "So you had a nanny?" Phil interjects.    As a child, Peter saw her as part of the family, but after some introspection - Peter is left to ask himself - what are his views on her role now?   In this episode, Peter delves deep into what it was like growing up in New York during integration; living with a nanny; his first time hearing the term white privilege and resolving white guilt.   Join us for another awesome episode!
December 17, 2020
The Deep South: How Bad Is It Really?
From the auction blocks of Savannah, Georgia in the 1800s to the Freedom Marches of Selma, Alabama, and Jackson, Mississippi in the 1960s, the Deep South has had a troubled past.  With so much to overcome, one may wonder, where does it stand today?  This episode, "The Deep South - How Bad is it Really?"  answers the question those not in the south have always wanted to ask, but may not have dared.    Dr. Peter Weinstein and Dr. Phillip Nelson (born and raised in the South) dive deep in this second installment of Peter & Phil's Courageous Conversations, touching on the issues of overt/covert racism,  the delay/deny- delay/deceit strategy during integration,  and the current culture and climate of the South today.   Join us!
December 10, 2020
The Need For A Conversation
In the summer of 2020,  Dr. Peter Weinstein (a white man from the east coast) picked up the phone and called Dr. Phillip Nelson (a black man from the South) seeking an understanding of the current racial divide in America.  What he got was a conversation so intense it would spur an entire podcast into being.  This first conversation highlights the topic of white stress and guilt, George Floyd’s death,  and why whites still can't relate to the struggles of black people.   Thank you for joining in.  
December 04, 2020